MICRO 172: DRAGON BALL Z [TOWN WIN]

[mrbungle]

sup guys. /confirming in or whatever. i probably wont get around to reading the thread till tomorrow morning because tonight is a beer and george carlin night. i'm going to completely read the thread before the next time i post but it'd be great if anyone can fill me in on wtf is going on

[mrbungle]

LOL @238

[mrbungle]

i've just finished reading... fuck lol. some hilarious shit in there

first....... pope, vegito, and ghostlin are all fairly strong townreads for me. i want to include tomato guy in there but he hasn't posted enough for me to feel good about that read

pope as town because of two things which sorta come down to the same issue:

-his play is hilariously sloppy. i cannot imagine a scum letting themselves get into as much trouble as TIP has. that guy has absolutely no filter, just says whatever dumb shit as soon as it occurs to him to say it
-the whole evolution or progression of how his claim played out was also hilariously sloppy. in my experience scum don't handle fakeclaims so badly, or so emotionally

vegito:

-the dissonance between the heads seems more likely to come from town. sure scum can fake it but i think it looks pretty natural/convincing
-neither head is abstaining from contributing. since they've replaced in i think it's safe to say that their slot is responsible for most of the content in the thread. no fucking clue why anyone wants to lynch them.
-drp started off iffy, but actually started reading townie as hell once he began his martyrdom campagin. no clue how anyone can think this slot is maf

ghostlin:

-i started reading ghost as town towards the middle of the early game ghost vs pope fight and nothing has changed that
- also wanna sheep vegito's reasoning about those two particular posts that look townie as fuck. 215/216

bacde:

-not much to go on here, but my gut says town because his posting is fearless. he showed he wasn't afraid to pick a fight with vegito midway through the thread. but like i said, this is the weakest of my town reads cuz he's not posting enough

i've just read the thread through once as that was just now, all in one go so my thoughts about who may be scum are pretty scattered. i'm gonna sleep and then do some iso reading and meta research on all the people i don't have town reads on then i'll post who i want to lynch

fortunately i'm reading many of the active posters as town which means I get to do my favorite fucking thing in all of mafia which is VOTE FOR A P.O.S. LURKER

[mrbungle]

oh, one thing that stuck out to me that I wanted to ask:

@VEGITO how are you so confidently reading hamlet as town?

[mrbungle]

sword of omens, you got any scum games of yours that i can read over? i clicked like 10 links in your profile and couldn't find one. give me more than 1 please if you've got em

[mrbungle]

*Vegito goes crazy talking to himself*
Who are we lynching?

what do you make of 1 half of vegito reading you as scum and the other half reading you as town? it seems like your scumread on veg is mainly based on veg's scumread on you, but nacho is being quite outspoken about you being townie. also it seems like you're quite content to not call them mafia as long as they aren't actively pushing for your lynch which is really odd. can you explain all of that?

[mrbungle]

\

Really, TownCho would be trying to kill

me

Why in this particular game would nacho be trying to kill you? Also can you guys actually...... give your reads? Looking at your iso I have no idea what position either of your head is taking on most of the players.

@PIMHEL

Why is has your vote been so uselessly parked on the vegita slot all game long? Yeah so you thought DRP was scum, but what are you seeing in the replacement that has made you content with keeping your vote where it was since like 2 weeks ago?

@SWORD same question as above. Actually I like your vote even less, as you've completely neglected to say ANYTHING about vegita so far. Do you think vegita is specifically scummy notwithstanding DRP?

[mrbungle]

I am insulted.

just means you're special

[mrbungle]

I am insulted.

just means you're special

if you're referring to me not mentioning you in my first real post..... i wasn't quite sure to place you after the first read through. you posted a lot but you never really seemed all that outspoken or forceful... your impact on the game was much less than I'd expect to see out the 3rd highest poster. Right now you're kinda nullish for me, but leaning a little town because when it came down to business when you guys thought the deadline was almost up, you seemed pretty interested in the lynch. and then there was some post about you asking someone if they can call nacho and that seemed really townie.

lol i think i just talked myself into placing you above bacde in my town list

[mrbungle]

oh yeah, one thing that was WTF when I read it were posts 181/182.... sword... why the hell did you post two long ass posts back to back, a minute apart? that seemed REALLY unnatural, so wtf was going on?

[mrbungle]

UNVOTE: mrbungle

liked his analysis as far as it went. Awaiting the scum pile analysis.

you're gonna have to wait on that. i don't really have scumreads yet, other than the fact that i'm reading several of the active people as town which means i'm going to be focusing my energy mainly on the less actives. I need some time to poke around and ask questions first

right now the weirdest thing about this game is this:

Vegito (4) - PimHel, sword_of_omens, Hamlet, TheIrishPope

Like.... I don't understand that at all. I can sorta understand where pope's vote might be coming from but I REALLY want to hear why pimhel, sword, and hamlet are voting for not only the most active player in the game, but someone who seems pretty townie. In all of their cases it looks like their votes are just left over from the drpepper phase, and that is unacceptable and needs explaining

[mrbungle]

if you took away pope's claim how would you be reading him? because ii'm sorta ok with calling him town even without the roleclaim

[mrbungle]

That bandwagon hasn't really budged in over a week.

I dunno. Nacho has a town read on the Fuzzy half of the Hamlet hydra. I think Majiffy has a town read on sword_of_omens.

Are you discounting them as mafia because of this? How are you reading the vegita voters that arent pope?

[mrbungle]

pope can you drop the whole 'i'm on the playground in grade school and i'm gonna argue like a 5 year old' act? do you realize how moronic you've been for most of this game? that argument between you and vegito was a major pain in the ass to read. you were being no better than he was. so come back once you've got real reasons for pushing veg

[mrbungle]

Oh, here's a reason: he's scum
Who you gonna vote for, bungle?

don't try to change the subject. why is vegita scum? i don't need a full case, just anything beyond "HURR DDUR CUZ HE IS"

[mrbungle]

^^^^ that

[mrbungle]

Ghostlin, you feel sure he is Town. I feel sure he is scum. It is a battle of opinions.
Bungle, if you really did read the game, you would know Vegito (read: Majiffy) tunneled me so fucking hard from his first post on. He's using me as a scapegoat; a Townie that might be misinterpreted as scum.
Jesus Christ Bacde >_>

do you really feel like your play has been so amazingly townie that someone wouldn't be tunneling you? have YOU reading the game?

i'm going to need more than that as a reason for why veg is scum because honestly, somebody tunneling you this game doesn't strike me as very odd no matter what your or their alignment is

[mrbungle]

uh right now i'm down to deciding between a pimhel, sword, and hamlet lynch.

-everyone else is slightly to very townie
-they are on a dumb wagon
-all three of them have had their votes on said wagon for a long time, back to the the drppr days and have not said very much about the replacement, veg
-all three have been lurky and fairly useless

ghost, why hamlet?

[mrbungle]

yeah i agree except i'm kinda bugged by nacho's vouching for that slot

but on the other hand... trying to guess at meta reads on a hydra composed of two players i'm completely unfamiliar doesn't sound fun at all so i'm kinda just ignoring that for now

a big thing for me is that how is a hydra one of the game's lowest contributors? also just on what i've read, the heads that compose that slot seem... decent at mafia but their passive drppr/veg voting suggests anything but that

time to see where this goes

VOTE: hamlet

[mrbungle]

actually no, i think i prefer my vote on sword right now because he didn't say SHIT about vegito while his vote had been parked on that slot since he originally voted for drppr

UNVOTE: hamlet
VOTE: sword

[mrbungle]

why did you unvote if you still think drp/vegito is scum?

[mrbungle]

##summon pimhel

First of, I also thought that it's very likely that there are 2 scum.
But that's not the important bit. The important bit,@Pope, is that you brought up that Ghostlin ' slipped'. Then when Ghostlin said that in most 9p games there are 2 scum, you reply that there could be a SK or cult. However, this has nothing to do with the ' slip'. This is just bad.

However, I see what you're doing.

We need some DBZ fans in here >.<

Unvote

Vote Dr. P

Can you explain what you meant by the bolded part?

[mrbungle]

is that all you have for us? some irrelevant comment about an irrelevant point?

[mrbungle]

i did some combing through sword's town games and something that caught my eye is how flippant he usually is when referring to his low weekend activity... stuff like this:

also...

@MOD: i will be taking my normal V/LA for the weekend, please...

almost forgot:

@MOD - i will be V/LA for the weekend starting in about 4 - 5 hours

@MOD - gonna do my V/LA shenanigans this weekend, as per the usual...kthx

he doesn't act as if his weekly v/la's are a big deal and he seems to know that they are expected from him. and more inmportantly, in none of these games does he ever reference the fact that he's going to take v/la weekends BEFORE he asks to go on v/la. he simply states that he's going on v/la and uses words like "as per the usual," "shenanigans," and "my normal V/LA." He is very casual about it and offers no apology for his 'shenanigans.'

Then we have the start of this game where he announces:

Also, just a quick note on my sched...i am V/LA on weekends and i only have my phone...
i do not have good reception at my house as it pretty much is a black hole...
So if i post on weekends , it will usually be at night from a coffee shop on my phone...so it won't be much...
i will make time when needed for deadlines, etc)
During the week i can post from work and usually don't have a prob posting every day (except when shit gets nuts)
so there shouldn't be any issues...


So yeh:

@MOD: V/LA for the weekend I’ll pop in when and if I can…

Why is he suddenly acting so guilty about a thing that normally he's quite casual about?

And then I looked at the scum game he linked me. Admittedly it's from a long time ago but it's the only thing I've got to look at.

Hey all, sorry for not piping in, weekends are usually bad for me cause I only have phone access..
Tomorrow at my computer i promise to do some reads and be more active

and that thread is locked so the quote feature doesnt work so you're not gonna get fancy quote tags from here out:

"ok, took awhile but i am mostly caught up...
i apologize for the weekend..it's harder for me to sign on during the weekend..
that said, during the week i'll be posting daily.."

oh look, here's something interesting.....

"alright, work is killing me and i'll be gone for the weekend except by phone so i am limitted til monday..
so not sure how much i can pop in or not...
if i cant afford any decent time to this game by monday i might have to ask for a replacement.."

and he replaced out that game. Notice any similarities between his play in that game and this one? Tons of apologizing and looking like he feels guilty for his weekend absences, and replacing or posturing (in this game) to replace out because he can't deal with the speed of the thread. And then you compare all that to the quotes I posted from his town games where he not only doesn't bother writing a sob story about how he's gonna be V/LA on weekends, he simply goes into V/LA and acts very casual about it.

So, sword, I'd be interested if you can provide me with a few things because I haven't been able to find them yet:

-some town games where you replaced out due to not being able to keep up
-some recent (important that they are recent) town games where you give big explanations about your V/LA adventures at the start of the game

Adding to that is how amazingly content, or lazy he's been with his vote. His first reads list was NOT very good. It's already been pointed out earlier in the thread that he kinda attacks people of things, doesn't come to conclusions about those things, and then ends up with a town read on them. The major exception to that was his attack on drpepper which looks alright. But the problem with that is that he placed his vote on DRP, the afk'd out of the thread for a pretty long time, came back right before lynch and is still ok with having his vote on the drp/vegita slot. Here he is when he came back into the thread:

just got back in with lots of reading and not much time left...
quick ISO shows the VC about 4 pages back?

gonna try and read real quick, but what are the standing options right now?

So it's established that he's not caught up with reading the thread. He asks if TNE was a recent last minute wagon, that's how clueless about the thread he was at the time. Yet he's still ok with voting for either of vegita or TNE? The fuck? All that could be understandable in light of the lynch deadline quickly approaching and him feeling the need to avoid a no lynch, but he just recently came back into the thread with this:

Unvote:

have to run now, so i'll go into the details tomorrow, but i wouldn't mind lynching Bungles today and I still think DrP/Vegito is scum...

what? he 'still thinks drp/veg is scum'... you kidding me? first, nowhere has he said anything about getting scum vibes from vegito and we already know he hasn't been reading the thread so how could he have a scum read on veg? and why on earth is he unvoting vegita, who is his MAIN SCUMREAD who he still wants to lynch? is it because... there's been a lot of anti vegita lynch sentiment lately and he's worried about being on the wagon?

so sword in addition to the meta stuff I asked you for, I also want you to tell me exactly how much of the thread you've read, and why, if you had not read the thread, you were/are still ok with lynching vegita who is someone you haven't spoken a word about.

and please don't replace out, that is



i replaced in yesterday and I'm already caught up and posting so i don't feel any sympathy for you

[mrbungle]

dammit fferyllt..... you seem to be the only one interested in chatting up the thread at the level i'm used to from the site i came from... and i have a town read on you and mostly agree with your reads

BORING

i guess... which lynch do you prefer atm? the only gripe i have with your play is that altough you're active, it seems like you're sorta waiting for others to take action instead of pushing a candidate yourself. we can't really have that with the state of widespread disagreetment and general apathy towards the lynch that town is showing right now.

[mrbungle]

Vegito is all over the place with his dissonate heads (which gives me a headache) and I haven’t had the chance to give him the proper time to get a full read..But I said he is scum? Yes I did…like I said that slot was scummy as shit…but considering he still isn’t lynched, I unvoted so as to do an actual full read through to see if there is something I am not seeing…

what the fuck does this even mean? "I think he's scummy as shit, but i haven't done a full read through to figure out what i think yet, i'm going to unvote him because he hasn't been lynched yet....."

What the fuck does any of that mean? Do you have a scumread on vegita or not? Saying that you have a headache does NOT count as a read.

what I did see is you and your “everyone is town so let’s lynch a lurker on Day 1” speech
which is pretty bad…
Universal town reads and attacking someone who’s not here…won’t even be able to get any info out of that lynch….sounds like a safe bet for scum..

ok, you said my town reads were pretty bad. do you disagree with any of them? if so would you mind gracing me with an explanation of why you disagree with them instead of just writing my post off as 'bad?'

And wtf about your comment about me attacking someone who is not here suggesting that I won't get any info that way. If someone isn't here and isn't playing the game..... WE DONT HAVE ANY INFO ON THEM. HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GET INFO ON THEM IF WE DON'T QUESTION THEM OR PUSH THEIR LYNCH. FFS!

[mrbungle]

sword i want you to explain your scumread on me and whatever the hell your read on vegita is. atm i'm not buying any of it

[mrbungle]

sword, if you're town then you really need to finish reading the entire thread before you post again.

[mrbungle]

so sword in addition to the meta stuff I asked you for, I also want you to tell me exactly how much of the thread you've read, and why, if you had not read the thread, you were/are still ok with lynching vegita who is someone you haven't spoken a word about.

answer this plz

why were you ok with your vote on vegito when it was clear that you weren't caught up on the thread? you still have yet to say ANYTHING about why you think vegito is scummy

[mrbungle]

Post 701 is interesting. You also called Pope town. Where's your analysis on that wagon?

pretty much everything i've been talking about so far. pretty much all of the veg voters are voting because of drpepper reasons and are eithber providing no analysis or not near enough analysis about vegito. that wagon is where i'm currently devoting all my energy towards

Also, what do you think about your town reads attacking eachother? (with the exception of Ghostlin and Vegito)

nothing much. it happens. if anything, minor annoyance

@Bungles
Post 720 shows you haven't been reading the game.
You're also a good vote. You first make no cases about your scum players, than you go with Ghostlin to vote somebody else with a bad case? Townhunting is only town when there's also scumhunting involved. And that's not the case with you.

I can't take a case serious which discusses about V/LA.

wat? i've said plenty of stuff about people who i found scummy? did you not read the whole of my case against sword? like the entire last half of it is non VLA related. And the stuff about VLA is NOT attacking him because he goes on vla, it's about how guilty he sounds in this game compared to other games where he treats his vla adventures as no big deal.


fuck mafiascum players annoy me sometimes. the more critical thinking and reading is required to form an opinion, the more likely you guys are to ignore the entire issue

[mrbungle]

what pope wagon? half of vegito? .5 does not make a wagon.....

and pimhel, you still haven't answered the question about why you are voting ghost. based on your recent post it SEEMS liek i'm your strongest scum read and you haven't said shit about ghostlin yet, what gives?

AND WTF? i just looked through your iso and there is NOTHING about why you think ghostlin is scum.

asdalkjsdgnaksjgd wtf is up with people voting on people and saying fuck all about them?

[mrbungle]

not sure what you're getting at...

[mrbungle]

lol i have literally no idea what i'm being asked to do

[mrbungle]

sword you are sooooo full of shit i don't know where to begin. let's start with...

"It is bad that you have everyone as town reads and have NO scumpicks… …"

Uh.... dafuk? I have everyone as town and no scumreads? What the fuck do you call me saying that I'm looking into lynch you, hamlet, or pimhel? Wtf do you call the longass case I made against you? I have no scumreads? What a terrible lie. Then there's:

"Your reasoning for town TIP was pretty much he plays so bad he can’t be scum…heard that shit a hundred times about a hundered different players…and it's still shit…"

And you have him as a townread right? Then what the fuck is your problem with that read? And instead of saying that my read on him was "too bad to be scum," which it WASN'T.... you''re oversimplfying what I said.... how about you address the problem you have with that read? OH WAIT..... you DON"T have a problem with it because he's one of your town reads! Fuck dude! THen....

"You also left out any thoughtts on Ffery, who was active, which I did note…"

Another blatant lie. I've said more than enough about fferylit. How about you try again, without lying and misrepresenting everything? Like.... fuck dude. You need to realize that if you're town, the burden is on you to not play like fucking scum.

fferylit please tell me why you think sword is town.

[mrbungle]

omg i just went through a newbie and had some run ins with players that i thought had to be the laziest mafia players in existence

THEN I CAME HERE...............

is not caring about the game and making shitty lazy cases that have no foundation in reality supposed to be a town tell on this site? it's like everyone is afraid to act town or some shit.... because, town don't give a fuck. if someone gives a fuck they must be scum pretending to be town, right?

jeez people, if you don't want to be indistinguishable between scum and lazy townie you need to put effort into the game and stop playing like the only purpose of making a post is to try and win an argument, regardless of whether you're correct or not! i swear.... some people hear argue like little kids

[mrbungle]

pope you have no idea how much it saddens me that you're probably town

[mrbungle]

sword why are you voting for me over vegito right now? doesn't make any sense. there's way more support for a vegito lynch and you keep saying stuff like "if he somehow flips town" which suggests that you REALLY think he's mafia

apart from that i STILL can't tell what your actual read on vegito is. you keep saying stuff like you think he's scum but everytime you're asked for the specifics of that read you get all wishy-washy and don't come to any real conclusion

[mrbungle]

Alright, so sword does seem paradoxical in his own play

wtf does this mean

[mrbungle]

fferylit help me out here. why is sword town?

[mrbungle]

meh... UNVOTE:

feel like I replaced in too soon before the deadline to be able to work out a lynch that i'm reasonably confident about

[mrbungle]

nacho talk to me about your non negotiable pimhel town read. every time i read that filter i keep come away with not much to go on in either direction

[mrbungle]

sheeping nacho's sheeping of my sword read

VOTE: sword

sword i still dont feel like you've adequately explained how you feel about vegita.... get to that soon and do it after having caught up entirely on the thread. are you completely caught up btw? i don't remember if you answered that clearly or not

[mrbungle]

Also, look at A Dance With Dragons and tell me if you see what sword did here but still really hasn't done in this game.

making an attempt to read the thread despite being behind by several pages?

[mrbungle]

Unvote

@Pope- did you claim your character?
if not, can you please do so?

-Ffery- CHK is a PR heavy mod...i'm sure everyone has a PR in this game...
his Pokemon game everyone was JOAT and voyeur/tracker were in it...

Majin Buu: Voyeur

[mrbungle]

lol why is everyone claiming.....

UNVOTE: sword

this seemed pretty honest in a townie way, esp wrt the bolded:

Ok..
couple of things here....
I originally thought my character was lynch bait considering who I am.... and my power...
I actually don't mind being the lynch today given that power wise I'm more of a hindrance to town than anything else...

I thought I might be Miller but I decided not to say anything...

as I don't know and there's no way to prove it...

[mrbungle]

sigh/// right now i have literally no idea who the fuck i want to lynch, and i hate the vegito wagaon

[mrbungle]

is there any way to find a player's town/scum games other than going to their profile and digging through their post history? a database or something?

also veg.... who are the three major villians, i know nothing about dbz

[mrbungle]

btw i am now firmly against a sword lynch

[mrbungle]

based on that claim I'm actually down to lynch TIP

although I still think ghostlin is scum

based on which claim? and why?

[mrbungle]

this flavor conversation is tedious

[mrbungle]

why do you keep saying you have a "protown partner?" the hell does that even mean? if someone is town I don't see how they couldn't be, by definition 'protown'. are they/you town or not?

[mrbungle]

nacho it shouldn't be too hard for you to figure out who is hypothetical partner would be... i did it in like 5 minutes

[mrbungle]

fuck that.... too many claims already.

and asking for the partner to claim is dumb. if he's scum he's not going to fake claim mason because then he know's he'll be held accountable for that claim later and that everyone will be on his back asking him to out the partner. at that point, what would a scum who is fake-claiming mason do? fake claim a town mason partner who isn't a mason? no. fake claim mason with one of his scum partners? no, that's suicidal.

[mrbungle]

I did it immediately as well. So Bacde should claim the partner he's crumbing to so they can either say "ok" or "no, you are lying scum. die."

do you really think a scum would fake claim mason knowing that he's gonna have to either fakeclaim a townie partner who will immediately out him, or fake claim with a scum partner which is completely suicidal?

[mrbungle]

veg he's SOOO obviously town at this point. i even found the crumb and it matched with who i already thought it was. and no, i'm not going to out it because there's no strategic reason to. scum just wouldn't fake-claim mason because that is not a role that they can reasonably claim to be. they cant claim a townie as their partner, and they'd have to be a moron to claim one of their scumbuds as their partner. so scum just wouldn't fakeclaim mason

[mrbungle]

Nacho or Majiffy whoever it is please explain why you think Ghostlin is town. I've read his ISO and the thing that jumps out at me is that he was awfully civil in that horrible exchange with TIP.

hamlet's his partner.

you obviously didnt find the crumb

[mrbungle]

yeah i'm also at probably ghostlin/hamlet

the problem is... looking at ghost's filter i cant figure out why ghost is scum lol

[mrbungle]

idk i'm fucking lost right now

bacde if you're worried about nacho's town read on me... both of us just finished a newbie game where i was town and spent all of d2/d3 tunneling him and he was mafia. i don't doubt his ability to read me

i don't really know why i'm doing this other than that i have really, really strong townreads on lots of other people and ghost

VOTE: ghostlin

[mrbungle]

@bacde

what i was saying that if nacho is town, he would have absolutely no trouble at all reading me as town based on our interactions from the game we just finished. so that isn't something you should be suspicuous of him for

[mrbungle]

errr i think that may have been hammer...

[mrbungle]

nvm, i think that's L-1. lets not hammer for a bit becuase i still don't know why i'm on this wagon to begin with other than that everyone seems town

[mrbungle]

how long from now to you intend on doing it?

and right now i kinda feel like a retard because i'm voting for ghostlin yet i don't really have any idea why.... it just feels like the right lynch and everyone else is either a strong town read or a basically confirmed town read (the masons)

[mrbungle]

VOTE: hamlet

[mrbungle]

pope how fucking dumb are you. unvote bacde and go read his filter and find the pim crumb.

[mrbungle]

also lol at anyone who isnt voting for hamlet

[mrbungle]

because HE CRUMBED MASON, with pimhel, BEFORE THIS CONVO HAPPENED? because he pushed the ghostlin lynch all D1?

[mrbungle]

like holy shit pope, how could it have not been more obvious that bacde and pimhel were masons? even before finding the crumb all I had to do was read everyone's filter to figure that out. confirming bcade + pimhel as town yesterday was basically the entire reason for the ghostlin lynch. though you seem to be oblivious as to how all of that actually happened..... go back and read pims filter and find bcade's crumb

[mrbungle]

LOOOL

[mrbungle]

well either vegito is telling the truth and hamlet is mafia or he is lying and vegito is scum. so we just lynch them both to solve the game. hamlet first tho for perfect victory

inb4 hamlet claims some kinda role that would allow him to visit pimhelm

[mrbungle]

pope is too dumb to be mafia, bcade is basically confirmed even before the ghost and pim flip, sword's confusion about his role and wondering whether or not he is a miller makes him town, vegito is town because he is, which from my perspective leaves hamlet and fer-ihlt. and fer-ihlt and hamlet are on opposite sides of the townie-to-scummy spectrum

and like I said earlier, either hamlet visted pimhelm to kill him, vegito is lying, or hamlet is some town PR that visted pimhelm.... which I fully expect him to claim

[mrbungle]

well hamlet is gonna come in and either say vegito is lying and try to push for vegito's lynch, or hamlet will say that they are a power role so that's why they visited pim. so.............

[mrbungle]

why is it an owl lol

[mrbungle]

After Vegito claims whatever happened w/ hamlet we are going to massclaim btw

i am piccolo the executioner, and i wanna flip hamlet

[mrbungle]

hamlet you are at L2 and I'm an executioner which means that I can kill you right now if I wish. so get in here and say what you have to say

[mrbungle]

hamlet that was not an idle threat, i will lynch you within 24 hours if you don't show up

[mrbungle]

fferyllt in this game i dont have a pirate mollie to push me over the brink towards insanity

[mrbungle]

and if you wanna know why I voted for ghostlin.... well so do I lol. it came down to everyone else being either confirmed town or a very strong town read.

there is this thing that occasionally happens on tl where people decide that none of the wagons are any good and everyone scrambles to throw together a last minute lynch. bandwagons pop up every 5 minutes and you never know who's about to reach l-1 by the next time you refresh the page. so people go from one wagon to the next, being careless with votes and generally not giving a fuck. eventually you find a bandwagon that everyone likes, and nobody can think of a good reason not to lynch that person. and the surprising thing is often these lynches result in scum lynches. they have a better success rate than lurker lynches even. it's sorta like musical chairs in that scum have to be more cautious with their vote, therefore they can't really keep up with the pace of everyone else, and eventually it sorta becomes obvious who should get lynched.

and from my point of view that is what happened yesterday. i hated both the pope and the vegito lynch and i wanted to kill a lurker so i pushed who i thought was the scummiest of them, sword. then he came in the thread and said some things that made me hate the sword lynch, so myself and everyone else backed down off that. then vegito brought up the bacde lynch which i thought was dumb, and turns out, it was a dumb lynch. so at that point I had vegito, pope, sword, bcade, and pimhelm all as people who i didn't want to lynch. i should probably include fferylit in that group as i had a town read on her, just not as strong as the others. so that leaves ghost+hamlet. i probably would have voted either of them honestly

bcade, for me the main thing that caused the ghost lynch was the post that saved the town

[mrbungle]

I've been told that my play style is similar to hers. I don't see it.

i really, really hope she was trolling in that game. i really, really hope that wasn't her best effort

[mrbungle]

irishpope, you double voting scum

Fixed.

hamlet..... your clock is ticking.... i'm getting bored....

[mrbungle]

i already sent in the pm so i guess we'll find out out soon enough

[mrbungle]

the only way nacho is getting lynched if there;s a D3 is if hamlet is a VT or a role that doesn't make him visit people

do you really think that the roles in this game is that town favored? that hamlet is some power role in addition to the masons and the million other claims?

[mrbungle]

uh

[mrbungle]

so how would we proceed if hamlet dies and flips town and isn't a cop? i think everyone except hamlet has claimed

ffery if there's anything weird about your miller role you should say it now

[mrbungle]

lol one time as town, i fakeclaimed miller in a game with non self aware millers just to see what would happen

[mrbungle]

mrbungle's replace-in helped to shake up day 1. Maybe it would have happened anyway, but he seemed to be a good catalyst.

after getting the replace in pm i looked at the game and saw you guys were thinking of lynching my slot so i was like... ohhhdaammmnnn. so i read through all 20-something pages in one sitting, then came away really frustrated becaue I had no scumreads, and I thought the 3 main lynches were REALLY dumb. (vegito, pope, and myself) the annoying part is that while reading through the game i was getting scumvibes off thenewearth even though I knew she was town. since I didn't really have scumreads I figured the best way I could make myself useful was to start foaming at the mouth about lurkers to try and get the game moving again

[mrbungle]

It was self-revive but that would have been awesome

imagine you dying unflipped due to the mafia janitor role, and then you coming back from the grave to haunt us for another cycle

[mrbungle]

I apologise for my mostly shitty play
FUCK YEAH I would have been Innocent Child so we would have won anyway

i think everything from D1 can be forgiven due to you being right about ghost

but d2 man.... that bcade vote... idk about that

[mrbungle]

i'm not sure how any of you thought drppr could be mafia, especially after the ragequit. one of the things that's bugged me about mafiascum is how people can replace out seemingly at whim. i've completed two games so far, and in both games i've seen people ragequit which in my eyes confirmed them as town. and sure enough, they were town.

so drppr blows up, gets all emotional, and ragequits. does anyone think scum would actually do that? there are several reasons why I think they wouldn't. first, it's a dick move. when you have scumbuddies you really don't want to let them down. second, it's kinda guaranteed to attract attention. next, it's very unsportsmanlike. it's bad enough that you're quitting just because people think you're scum, but if you actually are mafia? imo someone who quits because they get outed as scum is showing lots of disrespect to the other players, and the integrity of the game. and lastly... i just don't think mafia are prone to displaying anger or sadness in the thread... at least not to the extent that drppr did. so when I read that people were still suspicious of drppr after the quit, and suspicuious of vegito after vegito was being extremely townie.... i didn't know what to make of it

i would like to play in a game where people are only allowed to place out due to real life reasons. letting people just quit when they get mad, or even letting them quit because they're not having fun kinda ruins the integrity of the game imo.

[mrbungle]

well, say you allow town players to ragequit when they get so pissed off because everyone wants to lynch them for what they perceive as terrible reasoning. so if you're going to let town replace out like this, you also have to let scum replace out for the same reasons, right? do we really want to play in a place where scum and town alike will just replace out whenever enough people start accusing them?

[mrbungle]

but yeah, i guess i can agree that when the rules about replacing out are so lax, scum might be as likely to do it as town are.

just not in the manner that drppr did

[mrbungle]

take solace in that while reading through after i joined in, it was pretty obvious you were town and i thought everyone was being kinda dumb

[mrbungle]

yeah this game was much more fun than the other. that might just be due to it not being a newbie game and there being more people who seem to care

too bad we didn't get to see any role interactions, even though I think it was very town favored. just masons alone in a 9 player game seems a little imba.

[mrbungle]

in the games i've played, i've seen 8 people replace out. all of them have been town.

[mrbungle]

it doesnt matter thou, because people shouldn't be allowed to replace out unless they have legitimate irl issues. anything other than that cheapens the game

[mrbungle]

irl stuff is fine. getting bored, mad, etc isn't

[mrbungle]

the solution: 1 (or maybe 2) game bans for replacing out or being modkilled for non irl reasons

do people get game bans on this site? if so how does that work?

lol, sniped

[mrbungle]

my reads were also horrible until everyone claimed
and then the setup was hilariously townsided and we balled

exactly this

after all the claims on d1, which for various reasons were all really believable, i was left having to pick mafia out of hamlet, ghost, and ffery. pretty obvious decision. i thought about trolling bcade on d2 into thinking i was REALLY scummy meanwhile keeping my role hidden and sending the execute pm in secret but i was too lazy for that