MICRO 172: DRAGON BALL Z [TOWN WIN]

[TheIrishPope]

/confirm

[TheIrishPope]

chkflip: The picture in Post #0 doesn't show up for me is it just my computer?

Hello there, TNE!

[TheIrishPope]

I like DBZ...
The manga, anyway.
Oh cool, a hydra!

[TheIrishPope]

OMGUS VOTE: Bacde

[TheIrishPope]

I just realised we haven't started
Everyone, religious or not, is out for the Pope.

[TheIrishPope]

Right.
Mafia = evil = red = tomatoes = bacde
Did we win already?

[TheIrishPope]

Nope, not yet. 7 have confirmed, but chk hasn't been on to start the game.

[TheIrishPope]

So be it

[TheIrishPope]

Yeah, Bacde, whatever. (obvscum)

I'm assuming day started because of the title change?

[TheIrishPope]

Hmmm... Bacde is pretty fishy, but whatevs.
VOTE: sword_of_omens
For criticizing our awesomeness

[TheIrishPope]

I have never played with Bacde.

Hmmm... Bacde is pretty fishy, but whatevs.
VOTE: sword_of_omens
For criticizing our awesomeness

Unvote; Vote:Pope

Someone's fishy yet you random voted?

Also, I'm ashamed. We're playing a DBZ game and I'm the only one using a DBZ reason to vote >.<?
P.S. I actually like Dodoria. Pink Alien FTW~

PimHel, fishy does not mean scum. I want some RVS anyway
Dodoria is cool I guess.

I don't understand Bacde's supposed "logic" and these two people who oh so suddenly got enlightened.

Something about me. I hate reaction tests. I've seen at least one reaction test go horribly wrong. So I'm not a fan of Bache's idea of voting TIP due to a reaction test. That said, that lends a pretty strong town tell to me; scum usually doesn't reaction test.

Although PimHel has a point, the above seems to suspect someone without acutally voting them. Waffling is definitely scummy.

Vote:Pope.

This puts him at 3 votes, which is L-2. No one else jump on. I will take that as a scum claim.

Where do you come up with such stupidity? Why would you vote for me, if not to get me lynched? Why would you announce your early suspicion of anyone who voted for me?

[TheIrishPope]

Where do you come up with such stupidity? Why would you vote for me, if not to get me lynched? Why would you announce your early suspicion of anyone who voted for me?

Let me break this down slowly for you.

I...do not want a Day 1 lynch five pages in. L-2 would mean

both scum

would have to jump on to hammer. That's going to be pretty easy to detect them. If someone voted after me, it'd put you at L-1, which even if you are scum, your partner could hammer and end the day. That's why I mentioned no more votes on you. We're on Page 5. We don't have enough information to lynch anyone yet. I only have an accusation of waffling, and now this rather incoherent defense of things you should already sorta know about.

Do you want to get lynched sooner? The reaction of 'well, you're voting me but you don't want me lynched now' is not town.

PimHel's right; you are being extremely dissonant with accusing Bacde and then RVS.

Nowhere does it say there are two scum in the game.
VOTE: Ghostlin

[TheIrishPope]

Right, right, the only thing is assumptions don't work here, kid. There might be a cult for all we know.

[TheIrishPope]

Chance doesn't matter, it's all up to chkflip's ideas. You can't talk about probability and predictability in a deterministic world. How do you even get a 0.1% rate? Do you have a magic calculator?

[TheIrishPope]

Meta doesn't apply here... Chkflip wouldn't be hated for making a cult game since you know this is a closed setup. Should have been more cautious if you didn't want to be in a game like this. Chk can change his mind anytime he wants...
It's simple, bro: You are using logical fallacies to dissipate your major scumslip, which you will obviously continue to defend. It won't work. We're on to you.
I don't even care if I get NKed
(PEdit Pro-tip: redact is not the same as

retract

)

[TheIrishPope]

Meta doesn't apply here... Chkflip wouldn't be hated for making a cult game since you know this is a closed setup. Should have been more cautious if you didn't want to be in a game like this. Chk can change his mind anytime he wants...
It's simple, bro: You are using logical fallacies to dissipate your major scumslip, which you will obviously continue to defend. It won't work. We're on to you.
I don't even care if I get NKed
(PEdit Pro-tip: redact is not the same as

retract

)

You are essentially arguing, and this is just a recap: that I'm scum slipping for saying there are two mafia because the other two possibilities which include a Lone SK and Cult, both of which, particularly the cult, generally do not jive with the site meta and kinda go against the theme of the game. (Last I checked, and I admit I'm not a DBZ fan, you generally take out the Big Bad and any flunkies we have with martial arts

and all of you are space aliens.

Yes, I have seen the show.)

This accusation of scum slip comes immediately after your cognitive dissonance of finding Bacde suspicious but not voting for him and continuing with RQS.

Now, am I 100% right with my assumption? I can't say that, and I'd love to be surprised. But I find most setups very unlikely.

Implying you are not a space alien is not beneficial for you.
I am not in RQS. I am positive you are scum. I am voting for you because Bacde is incompetent. You spoke as if you were 100% sure on what you said, so it's easy to refuse anything after you have done it...

[TheIrishPope]

Well, I agree with that.
DBZ is awesome <3

I did, because he was voting "seriously" with no reasons. I was in RVS. Now I am not.

[TheIrishPope]

Hmm...
Oh well.

Is Kamehameha the way people will die/get lynched by? That would be awesome.

[TheIrishPope]

I apologize if you have already stated this, but why did you vote for me Ghostlin? Scum won't vote because they know they would be lynched, sorry if I'm not getting the point and it's obvious.

[TheIrishPope]

Well, I believe Ghostlin is scum for the following reasons:
1. He makes assumptions on key components of the game. Such assumptions are detrimental and only hurt the eyes of Town.
2. Gut feeling.
3. His stance on reaction tests was not asked by anyone...
4. ISO 5 seemed suspicious because it made no goddamned sense and ISO 16 just calls for backup, trying to get everyone suspicious of me, apparently.
5. Dat bandwagoning on Bacde who gave no reasons.

I have been pretty adamant because it just gave away an important fact: he is aware of the existence of two scum. He is either a ridiculously overpowered super role named Master Roshi, or he is scum. And we all know what is more likely.

What are your reads, Fuzz/Bel?
Or should I just say Hamlet

Actually, I want EVERYONE'S reads. They are beneficial to the game at this stage. If you don't at least give one read that is definitely scummy.

[TheIrishPope]

It's essentially saying "I have a suspicion, but I won't vote it, I'm going to give a random vote instead on someone else."

If I am suspicious of someone, it does NOT follow that I must vote for that person.

Guys, where are them reads

[TheIrishPope]

Pope, instead of clamoring for people to give their reads, you could give yours too and everyone could follow.

Pope's whole answer to the fishy =/= suspicion doesnt make sense though. If you have suspicion, shouldnt you vote that person, if you find them scummy? Cause if youre not suspicious of them being scum, what exactly are you suspicious of them for?

1. Scum = Ghostlin for the reasons above. Town = You, because I see the intent of your posts. Everyone else is null.
2. I have seen that many power roles act scummy accidentaly. I would like to point that out. Again, suspicious people don't deserve a vote, they deserve to be questioned and looked upon with soul crushing eyes. If someone is suspicious, they are not necessarily scum. They might just have started on the wrong foot or something. At this stage of D1, I have confidence that I can give some the benefit of the doubt.

[TheIrishPope]

Thing is, I had not seen everyone post, so I couldn't just vote for the first person I saw as suspicious. This is a waiting game.
So chill.

[TheIrishPope]

I am non committal? What did you smoke? Can I have some?

[TheIrishPope]

Because jumping on a BW isn't suspicious at all, right?

[TheIrishPope]

Bacde said I was acting weird, Ghostlin says oh yeah let's vote TIP! but no one else vote for him for the lulz

[TheIrishPope]

Vote:Pope.

This puts him at 3 votes, which is L-2. No one else jump on. I will take that as a scum claim.

[TheIrishPope]

D-d-d-d-d-d-double post

No one would quickhammer because they know it would look scummy SUSPICION =/= YOU HAVE TO VOTE. Show me the rule. I don't understand why you center on that, and WHY IT IS SCUMMY IN ANY WAY.

[TheIrishPope]

RVS, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF IT
AT THIS STAGE SUSPICIONS DON'T MATTER BECAUSE IT'S ALL INSTINCT
I'm not one to shout, sorry.

[TheIrishPope]

It all started when Bacde voted for me. It was a "serious vote". Ghostlin also voted for me with the post up there. I found it weird, so I questioned him. He assumed there were two scum in the game, so I voted for him. And from then on, wild accusations. I'm right, though.

[TheIrishPope]

Pope, PimHel also voted for you and jumped the potential bw, why is Ghost scummier?

Ghost is scummier because he specifically asked everyone to not vote for me. It seems counterintuitive.

[TheIrishPope]

@Pope, Ffery and Ghostlin
What do you guys think of Dr. P?

ISO #12: Asks for my reads instead of providing his right away. Then he says this:

Bacde, to me, he's trying to hard to prove he's town by saying stuff like

tryst me when I say I wear my alignment on my sleeve and its easy to tell

And then does the exact same thing in ISO #18.
ISO #18: "We as town" seems forced. Also, the whole post reeks of WIFOM, which doesn't help at all.
I should stick to my word.
VOTE: DoctorPepper

That's mostly because I didn't want you at L-1 at Page 5 so you wouldn't be hammered or self-hammer as scum.

I'm beginning to sound like a broken record here. This is the ONLY reason I can get out of you that you suspect me, and it's bullshit. I've debunked this and the others as well.

Off topic: what do you feel about Hamlet?

Yes, but I do not understand why you voted for me but don't want me dead. THAT seems counterintuitive, and doesn't help, really.
Hamlet is pretty spot on. He has made some enlightening posts, keeping it simple, etc. I don't see them as scum at the moment.

Your thoughts on Hamlet go go go

[TheIrishPope]

Loving your OMGUS.

[TheIrishPope]

DP, who believes that if I vote for him, I'm not town anymore.

[TheIrishPope]

Funny how I went from town to scum in one post, but whatever. I wouldn't consider this a BW.

[TheIrishPope]

So you didn't have a town read on me? Then why didn't you vote for me before?

[TheIrishPope]

Well, I did ISO you. Town would say their reads and then ask for someone else's. You on the other hand...
And OMGUS is super cautious according to you. Nice.

[TheIrishPope]

I don't see what's wrong with asking for reads but abstaining from giving mine. I have the right to remain silent

[TheIrishPope]

[TheIrishPope]

Let's chill for a minute.
UNVOTE:
You guys have to take this less seriously. I didn't give my reads because I didn't have any. It's easier to not say anything than say "oh, you're all null." So, first of all, take everyone into consideration and don't tunnel on me. Second, don't put your panties in a bunch. You're all exaggerating.

[TheIrishPope]

Precisely. I was just messing around. It's early D1, so people shouldn't be this ecstatic.

[TheIrishPope]

So you're using another person's play to justify your vote on me...
Classy.

[TheIrishPope]

I'm not stunned. It's common practice for scum to mislynch Town.

[TheIrishPope]

Umm I don't get why people are voting for me
L-2 doesn't seem too shabby.

[TheIrishPope]

It's alright to vote for me. If I get to L-1 then some shit may happen...
Remember this is a closed setup...

[TheIrishPope]

What? Say it!

[TheIrishPope]

Watchu scared of?

[TheIrishPope]

I think we all agree that we need to hear from DP.

[TheIrishPope]

Happy birthday and have fun
Ghostlin and Dr. P are my top scumspects, if anyone's wondering.

[TheIrishPope]

You're at L-2 if I'm not mistaken.
What a sore scum.
You are seriously breaking all the rules of this site.
Shame on you.

[TheIrishPope]

Being committed to the game and remembering it is in fact a game where you have fun...
Maybe this place isn't for you.

[TheIrishPope]

If you're not having fun, then change the things around you and stay positive.
Just chill for a minute.
No need to get angry.
If you feel your play is wrong, change it.
If you feel we are being unjust, that's part of the game.

The most important rule of all, saved for last for what I think is a very good reason: HAVE FUN! Enjoy! And good luck!

[TheIrishPope]

K.

[TheIrishPope]

What an appropriate name

[TheIrishPope]

Curse me and my tendency of posting in very dirty numbers.

[TheIrishPope]

Man that video was amazing. Poor Virginia/Vagina/Banana.
In any case, I find it unfathomable that you defend your scum partner Bacde so gleefully. Better watch your words, Majin Buu.

[TheIrishPope]

Things change, Ghostlin. I don't love you anymore. However, if you admit to being scum I'll vote for you.

[TheIrishPope]

Well, my vote isn't on anyone for now. Ghostlin, I did not town PR claim...
And Vegito, I don't understand your reasons. If you're not voting Ghostlin for obvious reasons then you are scum.

[TheIrishPope]

Yeah, I see what you mean, Ghostlin. Some games are like that, some games are not. Oh well.
Vegito, state your reasons for voting me once again and you'll see the error of your ways.
Damn earrings. Y u no use Fusion Technique?

[TheIrishPope]

Think what you may, I have not claimed anything.

[TheIrishPope]

Well, that's lazy of you. Typing three sentences isn't even that hard.
Your posts are fucking walls of text. How can I possibly decipher them?

[TheIrishPope]

Haven't what? Claimed? I have not claimed. Quote me if I have.
Either L-2 or L-3

[TheIrishPope]

Mod is busy anyway, I think.
Are you planning to vote for me?

[TheIrishPope]

Nah because when you voted for me I was at L-2 including Vegito's slot's vote, so that's why I am guessing L-3.
If you so desperately want to lynch a townie, vote for me now, regardless of VC, or do a VC yourself.

[TheIrishPope]

Then it won't be hard for you to state your reasons without quotes and such for the casual observer.

[TheIrishPope]

Sure.

You have a scum wincon. This leads to scum motivation for your posting. Scum motivation shows through in your intent behind your posts. All of this is readily available in your ISO, and the supporting arguments for this point of view are available - with quotes - in my ISO.

I could just repeat this and say the same thing about you. You make no sense.

[TheIrishPope]

So because you use it as scum, I am scum? That's some nice reasoning there, Ghostlin[/sarcasm]
I am not even appealing to emotion. I was attacking TNE's arguments. If he wants to lynch me, no one is forcing him to not do it.

[TheIrishPope]

Sure.

You have a scum wincon. This leads to scum motivation for your posting. Scum motivation shows through in your intent behind your posts. All of this is readily available in your ISO, and the supporting arguments for this point of view are available - with quotes - in my ISO.

I could just repeat this and say the same thing about you. You make no sense.

I can evince my argument with quotes. Can you?

You never talked about scum motivation behind my actions, and have not justified your posts. How can you be so hypocritical? Your only reason for voting me is "Post 69 lol"

Well, my vote isn't on anyone for now. Ghostlin, I did not town PR claim...
And Vegito, I don't understand your reasons. If you're not voting Ghostlin for obvious reasons then you are scum.

I have a town read on Ghostlin. Is that obvious enough?

Town motivation behind his posts and why he is not scummier than me.
VOTE: Vegito

[TheIrishPope]

Then please repeat them, because I appear to have gone blind.
I reckon that is English.
Show and explain Ghostlin's town motivation behind his posts and actions. Also, state why I look scummier in your eyes.
And don't use those silly logical fallacies you always use.
PimHel does not need to read you. Having read DP, PimHel is certain you replaced into a scum slot.

[TheIrishPope]

Wow, you totally convinced me and everyone else that I am really scum.
You should be less obvious on deflecting questions.
In any case, if I am at L-1, please say intent to hammer or something similar.

[TheIrishPope]

I'm just saying that if y'all lynch me, I will haunt you. Literally.

[TheIrishPope]

Guess scum doesn't understand sarcasm.

[TheIrishPope]

So... what does this mean?

[TheIrishPope]

I might not be the towniest, but I'm not the scummiest. It seems odd that I was alright until Vegito came in with his fancy words and awkwardly stated arguments. I do believe that he has chosen me as his "easy target", meaning that everyone should not listen to Vegito. He's scum and is targeting a defenseless townie.

[TheIrishPope]

I'm not fucked. You have no case.
Thing is, I won't flip scum, because you are scum. That's what scum does: tunnels on someone. I have no idea why scum continue to do this, even though everyone knows it's a scumtell. So don't tunnel, and I might see you as town.

[TheIrishPope]

I'm not fucked. You have no case.

Lol.

Thing is, I won't flip scum, because you are scum.

I bus a lot, so that logic doesn't make a whole lick of sense. I particularly enjoy bussing the scummy teammates.

That's what scum does: tunnels on someone.

Town does too. Maybe you should play a few games in the Newbie forum before you try to play with the big boys.

I have no idea why scum continue to do this, even though everyone knows it's a scumtell. So don't tunnel, and I might see you as town.

Maybe because it's not a scumtell, it's a playstyle tell.

1. Classy.
2. So you're admitting you're bussing as scum...
3. Town is objective and looks at everyone. Scum tunnels. Disprove me on that, I dare you. Do you mean that you are a big boy because you tunnel on someone? Wow, I'm scared now.
4. So your only excuse is "this is how I play so fuck you."

So don't tunnel, and I might see you as town.

This

, by the by, is a legitimate scumtell. Scum

need

to be read as town, and thus place a higher value on being townread. Ergo they use town reads as a bargaining chip to try to change the attitudes of townies.

And others have not done the exact same thing?
You're running in circles and pulling shit out of your ass. Get your other hydra partner here, maybe he's more useful.

[TheIrishPope]

1. Classy.
2. So you're admitting you're bussing as scum...
3. Town is objective and looks at everyone. Scum tunnels. Disprove me on that, I dare you. Do you mean that you are a big boy because you tunnel on someone? Wow, I'm scared now.
4. So your only excuse is "this is how I play so fuck you."

1. This game isn't about class. It's about being right.
2. That would require you to be scum... You slippin' bro?
3. How exactly do you expect me to "disprove" you on that? Give you links of town tunneling? How many do you want? I've got a lot of town games.
4. Excuse? Wouldn't call it that, exactly.

And others have not done the exact same thing?
You're running in circles and pulling shit out of your ass. Get your other hydra partner here, maybe he's more useful.

Wait, your refutation of that is "nuh uh ohter people have done it look at them not me!"?
Jesus fuck you need to go back to scum school and learn to not suck.

This dude... I want this shit lynched now.
1. Focus on intent. After all, that's what this game is all about. You avoiding that point leads me to believe that your intent is to not answer incriminating questions. So scum.
2. So we're both scum? If I be slippin', you be slippin'.
3. Yes. Link them all. I want to see them.
4. What would you call it? Again, avoiding question.

That's what I'm saying. Look at other people. Don't tunnel if you want to be taken seriously. If other people are doing the same, then according to your logic, they are all scum.

[TheIrishPope]

You should be one to talk about tunneling; you've been doing nothing but treating me as confirmed scum since I stated I'd be pushing for you for the remainder of the day. I've looked at other people; that's readily available as I have reads on every player in the game. What have

you

offered?

Me defending myslef is tunneling? That's amazing news. You have biased reads because you are scum. "Oh townbacde I love you have my babies"

[TheIrishPope]

Finally we can move on from this!
UNVOTE: Vegito
So what now?

[TheIrishPope]

Crap. Alright, I understand your concerns. I might have oversimplified my post.

Finally we can move on from this!
UNVOTE: Vegito
So what now?

uh, what is the purpose of this post?

I don't understand where it came from or what you are going to do next

Each game is composed of "phases". My quarrel with Vegito was a phase. We are past that phase, and now we must act upon something else, e.g. Ghostlin's venge thing, or TNE's posts or whatever. What we will do next is scumhunt more to end this day with one less scum.

Finally we can move on from this!
UNVOTE: Vegito
So what now?

his vote change changes your read? why?

Oh no, it's not his vote change which changes my perspective. My perspective has not changed; I still can see Vegito in a scumslot. I am glad that the second head posted and evened out the reads, so to speak. I just want to focus on other things like a true townie, not tunneling like

some people.

[TheIrishPope]

Post more and with more content, Jesus Christ. I agree that I am town as fuck, as you believe you are town as fuck (did you misread your role PM?)

[TheIrishPope]

VOTE: Pope
In case Nacho unvoted on me.

Nacho voted TNE with actual good reasons.

jesus christ.

What are you looking to convey with this post?

[TheIrishPope]

Irritation at what, specifically?

[TheIrishPope]

VOTE: Pope
In case Nacho unvoted on me.

Nacho voted TNE with actual good reasons.

And I'm voting you with actual better reasons. Your point being?

So you disagree with your hydra partner? Talk to him, you might learn something.

hey you guys are still ignoring ghostlin

thats the best place to look right now

Pope can wait

What was the issue with Ghostlin?

ugh...sorry guys...nursing a serious hangover today...
i apologize to CHK and the other players for lurking like a mother this past week...
should be back into the groove on Monday with all of my B-day excursion-whoring behind me...

That's quite alright bro.

[TheIrishPope]

How dare you ask questions if you have yet to respond many questions addressed to you?

So because you use it as scum, I am scum? That's some nice reasoning there, Ghostlin[/sarcasm]
I am not even appealing to emotion. I was attacking TNE's arguments. If he wants to lynch me, no one is forcing him to not do it.

So... what does this mean?

Vegito, you're scum.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there.

You should vote Pope.

No. I can see Pope's actions coming from town. Dr P has done the actions coming from a scum mindset.

@Ghostlin
Seriously? You accuse Pope of AtE. Yet Dr P's whole big 'replace me' screamed AtE. And nowhere, were you to point that out. What is your opinion of Dr P?

VOTE: Ghostlin
I'm back on this guy for ignoring questions.
And now I have a feeling that Ghostlin and Vegito are scumz.

[TheIrishPope]

Jesus Christ. From the top:

1) Yes. If I recognize a pattern I use as scum, that means YOU ARE PROBABLY FUCKING SCUM.

2) I refuse to hold your hand to click on a link. I dropped the link for a reason. Read it.

3) I legitimately missed this, so I'll address this to PimHel:

DP seemed like a newbie. I'm not sure if newbtown or newbscum, but the slot that's replacing him is reading town atm.

1) What the actual fucking fuck.

2) I did not understand it, so explain it to me.

3) You did not answer the question. He is talking about my supposed AtE and DrP's AtE. Answer it now, scum.

[TheIrishPope]

1) No, unless they copy my game exactly. No scum uses the same technique twice in a row. You can't say "I do it as scum, he is doing it, he is scum" because that is a logical fallacy. We have different playstyles.

2) WIFOM never works out, you know that. Sarcasm is not a scumtell. You have used sarcasm, so you are scum as well. Thanks for giving us the easy lynch.

3) Experience does not alleviate their scum slot. They would be null to you as well, since DrP and Vegito share the same slot.

[TheIrishPope]

Yes, DrP's and Vegito's are the same slot. That's what I said in the next sentence. I do; trust me, I do.

[TheIrishPope]

Lets run this down;
Pope hasn't been scumhunting
Pope deflects all suspicion whenever possible instead of directly responding to it
Pope OMGUSes and uses associatives without flips to push scum reads and line up lynches

This is textbook newbscum. Pope is newb. Ergo, Pope is scum.

And you tunneling is scumhunting? What are you smoking Vegito?
And when have I not answered your questions?
Answering everything with "Lol" is useless,
And according to your logic:
Potatoes have skin
Vegito has skin
Therefore, Vegito is a potato

You're not being very convincing, bro.

[TheIrishPope]

Jesus Christ are you saying you are not tunneling?
VOTE: Vegito
I think my vote will be more useful here.

[TheIrishPope]

Yeah, avoiding what I just said about tunneling is not town. Ergo you are scum.
Who's your partner?

[TheIrishPope]

Vegito, when you flip scum (because you will be lynched), I expect an apology from you.
PEdit: That was L-1? Really? I thought only two of us were voting.

[TheIrishPope]

Well, Bacde, we know Vegito and Ghostlin are the scum, but it's better to eliminate Vegito now since he is more active.

[TheIrishPope]

Bacde, I understand your confidence, and I'm pretty sure Ghostlin is scum, but why didn't you vote him when I was voting him?

[TheIrishPope]

Yeah way back when you were voting me; before the venge comment.
I am not a vengeful.

[TheIrishPope]

You guys think I'm a PR?

[TheIrishPope]

Well... fuck, Vegito. Thanks.

[TheIrishPope]

Fine, fuck it. I am a PR. And Vegito is scum for outing me and will kill me N1 now.

[TheIrishPope]

Yet you pushed the outing, and I had no way out of it.
I can see what happened to the target I choose, so I am thinking there are doctors and cops or some other variants.
I did not, but I am now.

[TheIrishPope]

I did role claim. That is my role.

[TheIrishPope]

Guys, we have one day left. Who are we lynching?

[TheIrishPope]

Does the role name even matter?
In any case, if you know my ability, you can know my name...

[TheIrishPope]

Jesus fucking Christ! If I have the goddamn voyeur ability, I am obviously the fucking Voyeur. As in this Voyeur.

[TheIrishPope]

That was to get those idiotic votes off me. Which you should do now as well.

[TheIrishPope]

If I have the Voyeur ability, I am the Voyeur. Simple.

[TheIrishPope]

I'm not getting what you're asking.

[TheIrishPope]

Majin Buu: Voyeur

[TheIrishPope]

That was to get those idiotic votes off me. Which you should do now as well.

And why would Town-PR-Pope softclaim at L-2 to get votes off him, whereas ScumPope wouldn't?

I would have claimed at L-1 anyway. If I was scum, I wouldn't have hinted at it.

[TheIrishPope]

So... you don't think I'm a PR?

[TheIrishPope]

So... you don't think I'm a PR?

In the newbie games, there's a lot of emphasis on where in the bandwagon development you claim, and on how you go about hammering. Elsewhere on the board it's kind of assumed that you know these things, though mistakes still occasionally happen.

Alright, I am sick of this. Don't talk about newbies, newbie games; don't even think about the word "newbie." We are in a Micro. Don't consider my join date, don't consider anything else. Focus on the game. Focus on the plays. Focus on the intentions. That is all.

So... you don't think I'm a PR?

I don't think you're town. I also think there's only one role that would have softclaimed in the situation you did, and it's not the one you claimed.

Which is...?

[TheIrishPope]

I am not freaking out. If he chooses not to believe me, he's the scum.

[TheIrishPope]

Because you are still voting for a Town PR.

[TheIrishPope]

But as I have no proof that you are what you claim, and an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary, why would I be scum for continuing to vote you?

Then why would you want a claim from me?
Oh, of course: to NK me. Because you are scum.

[TheIrishPope]

It doesn't? Then disprove me.

[TheIrishPope]

Then lynch me, that's cool.
I don't think the "go to the newbie games newb" talk is appropriate.

[TheIrishPope]

Town, we have less than 24 hours.
Who are we lynching?

[TheIrishPope]

Would not lynch today: Bacde, Vegito, Fery, Ghostlin

...

[TheIrishPope]

Vegito lynch
Great!

[TheIrishPope]

Finally someone who knows what I'm talking about
A TNE lynch is not beneficial at all
So fferyllt, if you are in fact Town, hammer Vegito.

[TheIrishPope]

I'm just saying it's better than a TNE lynch. I mean, who else would we lynch?

[TheIrishPope]

We have 16 hours, I don't want to end in a no lynch. I don't know what Bacde will say anyway. I doubt it's important. He would have said it immediately, knowing that D1 is about to end.

[TheIrishPope]

Because you're hammering, right?

[TheIrishPope]

Why don't you vote me, then, instead of TNE?

[TheIrishPope]

I just want this day to end well, e.g. not in a TNE lynch, but a Vegito lynch.

[TheIrishPope]

Given that I did roleclaim, I don't understand why Fuzzy is not townreading me and you are thinking of lynching me...
I will probably be the target of the NK. In any case, lynch Vegito. I can't believe how scummy he is.

[TheIrishPope]

So... is Bacde's announcement important or not?

[TheIrishPope]

Vegito is...

Vile.
Egocentric.
Gabbler.
Indolent.

Transexual

Twatwaffle.
Ostentatious.

Can we lynch him now?

[TheIrishPope]

People who voted you seem to agree that you are scummy as well. I don't understand the case on TNE; explain it to me pwease :3

[TheIrishPope]

They agree that you are scum.
Everything I need someone smart to explain it; can't you?

[TheIrishPope]

Well... ask them, not me.
I don't know why they voted you.

Nacho: TNE is at L-what now?

[TheIrishPope]

Nacho, talk to your partner. Don't let him lynch Majin Buu.

[TheIrishPope]

I'll be the L-1 vote. For the moment, I won't vote TNE. However, I will
UNVOTE:

[TheIrishPope]

@Pope (Post 366)
This needs an explanation. Why say that if he stops tunneling you might see him as town? You think he’s scum, yet you give him a reason how he can make you unvote him? That doesn’t make sense.

@Pope (Post 402)
If my read on you changes, I’ll vote you for this post. It’s awful.

@Pope (Post 407)
What reasons :S? Nacho mentioned that he meta’d TheNE. So what do you like about his reasons?

@Pope (Post 414)
No, just no ._. You mentioned on the same page the part about Ghostlin’s reaction to the possible vengeful townie and now you’re wondering why Bacde mentioned Ghostlin?

1. If he did focus on other aspects on the game and actually scumhunt (or at least fake scum hunt) I wouldn't be suspicious of him. Of course, there's no turning back; he is scum.
2. I don't get what's awful about it.
3. Deciding to meta TNE was a good decision. I like that. Noticing TNE was fidgeting and his play seemed strange, that's a good reason.
In contrast to Majiffy, who only did "yO tIp Is ScUm!"
4. I did notice Ghostlin's comment. What I meant by that post was "Is there anything else you'd like to tell me about Ghostlin?", and "Can you make a concise argument for him so I can vote him with good reason?"

[TheIrishPope]

Saying someone is town as fuck isn't a read, scum.

[TheIrishPope]

Yes, fuck this shit!
VOTE: Vegito
Jiffy is too transparent.

[TheIrishPope]

Can we lynch Vegito? Why is everyone ignoring how obvscum he is?

I am the Voyeur. I am Town. Your badgering proves that you are scum. Now, let's lynch this guy.

[TheIrishPope]

*Vegito goes crazy talking to himself*
Who are we lynching?

[TheIrishPope]

I guess my shitty play pays off

bungle, to answer your question: honestly, that's what hydras do. They get in your head. Each head does the exact opposite of the other because that's the hydra's purpose. I know that slot is scum. I just know.
I want Night to fall so I can use my Voyeur thingy.

[TheIrishPope]

Oh, here's a reason: he's scum
Who you gonna vote for, bungle?

[TheIrishPope]

Ghostlin, you feel sure he is Town. I feel sure he is scum. It is a battle of opinions.
Bungle, if you really did read the game, you would know Vegito (read: Majiffy) tunneled me so fucking hard from his first post on. He's using me as a scapegoat; a Townie that might be misinterpreted as scum.
Jesus Christ Bacde >_>

[TheIrishPope]

Sword, vote Vegito then.
If he flips town you can lynch me and it's all good, right?

[TheIrishPope]

I guess bungle can be town for now.
Or, if Vegito flips scum, his partner.

[TheIrishPope]

You said it yourself, Vegito is a scumread!
You do agree that a lynch is better tha nolynch, right?
Vote Vegito!

bungle, you have no idea how much it overjoys me that I am town

[TheIrishPope]

Alright, so sword does seem paradoxical in his own play, but I can't tell if it's scumplay or something else.
I am the one tunneling? What are you smoking?

[TheIrishPope]

He said Vegito is a scum read of his, and he could hammer, and we are really close to deadline...

[TheIrishPope]

Vegito is at L-1.

[TheIrishPope]

Then swords must put him at L-1.

[TheIrishPope]

Yay
Everyone, vote Vegito. Put him at L+1, no worries. We must achieve a lynch today. If not, scum wins fo' sho'

[TheIrishPope]

You didn't believe my claim. Why should I believe you now?
Notice that he doesn't state what PR.
Scumz.

[TheIrishPope]

Bacde vote Vegito plz <3
If he flips town you can lynch me

Implying Vegito has never lied...

[TheIrishPope]

We are a powerful town PR

1. Not stating name
2. Not stating powers
3. Not stating character name

So yeah, lies lies lies which you fail to consider.

I have never lied.
And you talk about deflecting and dodging when you are dodging the exact same points I am raising now and first raised in #784.

[TheIrishPope]

Hmmmm Nacho's boldness intrigues me.
Now, I ask: why would there be so similar PRs in the same game?

[TheIrishPope]

I still think a Vegito lynch is the way to go.

[TheIrishPope]

There were many villains in Dragon Ball. To name a few: Vegeta (before turning good), Nappa (Vegeta's partner), Raditz (Goku's brother), Frieza, Legendary Super Saiyan, Majin Buu (before he turned good), Cell, the Ginyu Force, and many others.

Bungle, you could check "View Topics" link.

[TheIrishPope]

Bacde, that is horrible reasoning...

[TheIrishPope]

This seems like a massclaim gone horrible which started with my claim and Vegito's fake claim.
Let's lynch Vegito so we don't no-lynch on D1, people.

why? you havent exactly been the paragon of protown

And you have? Tell me, what has been your contribution to this game?

[TheIrishPope]

Fine, who's your partner?

[TheIrishPope]

This seems like a massclaim gone horrible which started with my claim and Vegito's fake claim.
Let's lynch Vegito so we don't no-lynch on D1, people.

why? you havent exactly been the paragon of protown

And you have? Tell me, what has been your contribution to this game?

what did Vegito claim again?

Also, I've actually contributed a lot, I scumhunted way more than you up until I became happy with my ghostlin-scum read

Let me say this: I am befuddled, flabbergasted, and confounded at your statement. You voted me once, then you voted Ghostlin because of a Vengeful comment, and that is it. You have done zero, nothing, nada. Got it?

Vegito says (read: lies) he is a Tracker.
I urge you once again to tell us your partner's name. You two would be confirmed, no?

[TheIrishPope]

But then anyone could claim to be your partner, i.e. your scum partner, probably.

[TheIrishPope]

Bacde, what claims do you believe/don't believe, and why?

[TheIrishPope]

Why do you feel this is scummy?

Vegito, talking about fakeclaims...
Why'd you fakeclaim?

[TheIrishPope]

Are you really trying to get yourself lynched?
Jester probs

Bungle, enlighten me.

[TheIrishPope]

So you think Vegito is Town now?

[TheIrishPope]

Fine, who should I Voyeur tonight?

[TheIrishPope]

Scum can block scum...

[TheIrishPope]

But the question still stands:
WHO ARE WE LYNCHING

[TheIrishPope]

15 hours to go, oh sure what the hell
VOTE: Ghostlin
My first scumread <3
If Ghostling flips scum I will float around in ecstasy

[TheIrishPope]

Majiffy why do you have to come in and screw everything up

[TheIrishPope]

That's either L-1 or lynch.
Someone pls votez for ghostlinz

[TheIrishPope]

Watchu talking 'bout hammers? You already voted ghostlin

[TheIrishPope]

Jiffy, shh, Ghostlin will flip scum!
If not we lynch you and that's good

[TheIrishPope]

I voyeured Vegito and nothing happened. Ghostlin confirmed there are two scum in this post:

Where do you come up with such stupidity? Why would you vote for me, if not to get me lynched? Why would you announce your early suspicion of anyone who voted for me?

Let me break this down slowly for you.

I...do not want a Day 1 lynch five pages in. L-2 would mean

both scum

would have to jump on to hammer. That's going to be pretty easy to detect them. If someone voted after me, it'd put you at L-1, which even if you are scum, your partner could hammer and end the day. That's why I mentioned no more votes on you. We're on Page 5. We don't have enough information to lynch anyone yet. I only have an accusation of waffling, and now this rather incoherent defense of things you should already sorta know about.

Do you want to get lynched sooner? The reaction of 'well, you're voting me but you don't want me lynched now' is not town.

PimHel's right; you are being extremely dissonant with accusing Bacde and then RVS.

And Bacde and Hamlet and Vegito and me are confirmed town. Yeah, we've won this.
VOTE: mrbungle

[TheIrishPope]

Wasn't Hamlet Bacde's mason partner thingy?

[TheIrishPope]

lol @ mafia thinking that it was better to kill Pim than me

and also lol @ mafia not killing the vengeful townie at night

WAIT A GOSHDARN MINUTE
You were calling Ghostlin out for mentioning vengeful!
SCUM SCUM SCUM
VOTE: Ghostlin

[TheIrishPope]

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT I HAD A BRAIN FART
VOTE: Bacde
THAT'S WHAT I MEANT

[TheIrishPope]

@fferyllt you need to start sheeping players who know what they are talking about, and not just players who try to project themselves as if they know what they are talking about

Wait why didn't my partner flip mason?

I guess thats just not a part of the setup?

@Mod why didn't Pim flip mason? I was under the impression that was a part of his role

ugh if this is part of the setup or something stupid like that I'ma be pissed because I don't think Pim crumbed me I just crumbed him

Maaaan these posts aren't helping your case at all. Forced Town right here.
Telling a player to start sheeping? Since when does Town do that?
Asking mod about roles and flips? When it specifically says not to?
AtE? OH COME ON
Can Bacde

be

more obvious?

[TheIrishPope]

Vegito started the whole fucking thing on Ghostlin
I know what's going on. You are the scum.

You aren't answering because you know I've caught you
And you not explaining how it's horrible strengthens my scum read on you

It was the same with Ghostlin, I pushed him D1 and then backed off
BUT I WILL NOT REPEAT THE SAME MISTAKE AGAIN

[TheIrishPope]

I think you should think for yourself or follow me

How can you not see he is scum?

[TheIrishPope]

I pushed Ghostlin D1! You guys are seriously high
Jesus Christ Bacde next time hard-claim

[TheIrishPope]

Of course it was a slip you silly willy

lolnope
Just to be safe
I'm waiting for Vegito

[TheIrishPope]

Well, it all depends on him and whether I believe him or not, don't it?
Now shh, make your case on Hamlet

PEdit: Well shit

[TheIrishPope]

No, I trust you, I just want to see what Vegito's power accomplished
I wasn't until now...

[TheIrishPope]

VOTE: Hamlet
Quicklynch gogogo

[TheIrishPope]

Is that your intent to hammer?
Bacde? Wanna hammer?

[TheIrishPope]

And have him fakeclaim and lose precious time?

[TheIrishPope]

There's nothing Hamlet can claim that would change my vote.
If Hamlet is Town, who would you vote for?

[TheIrishPope]

So we lynch him either way <3

[TheIrishPope]

Then go go go

[TheIrishPope]

Breathing is for losers and scum

[TheIrishPope]

L-1*

[TheIrishPope]

Thank you chk for modding!
As you can see, my powers also included one revive I chose to not reveal it because you know, whatever
Ghostlin, Hamlet, you guys played great either way, good job!
Town, we rock!

[TheIrishPope]

It was self-revive but that would have been awesome

[TheIrishPope]

I apologise for my mostly shitty play
FUCK YEAH I would have been Innocent Child so we would have won anyway

[TheIrishPope]

Oh yeah I forgot to say I literally came when Ghostlin flipped scum
I don't catch hints so easily

[TheIrishPope]

Town shouldn't replace out because everyone's ganging up on them. It's part of the game. I agree that people shouldn't be allowed to replace out, except for certain reasons.

[TheIrishPope]

Ohai Hamlet scum

[TheIrishPope]

Hi Nacho I'm guessing
You making Jiffy change his avatar then?

[TheIrishPope]

Nacho told Jiffy that if Ghostlin was scum and I was Town, Jiffy had to change his avatar and add him to the flowchart