Newbie 1371: Max Steel, Max Finished!

[Does Bo Know]

I’m Does Bo Know, and I’ll be your IC this game. If you don’t like calling me that, I really prefer DBK or just Bo. Anything else is really distracting to me for some reason.

Firstly, we have 3 SE’s playing with us today, and they are here to introduce some experience into the game, so that the newbies can see how players play here at MafiaScum. It is not their job to answer questions about theory, setup, etc., but I’d expect that if a newbie asks them about reads or something, they should try to answer for the sake of your learning experiences.

As always, you should listen to the Mod and follow their rules, and they are always the best people to ask when it comes to setup questions.

Out of respect, it is in your best interest to stay fairly active in games of Mafia. If you find yourself always having to replace out of games or not being able to catch up, Mafia may not be the game for you. Replace out if necessary, of course, but don’t do it all the time. And try to enjoy yourself. If you’re not having fun playing, Mafia isn’t for you.

In order to best separate my mentoring role as an IC and my role in this game as an experienced player, I will be typing my IC notes in purple. I like purple. Deal with it.

So, review:
- SE’s aren’t here to answer questions but I expect them to be willing to explain some of

their

play to newbies that don’t understand.
- Mod is here to answer questions regarding setup, or any rules in this game.
- I am here to answer all other questions (certain terms you don’t understand, reasons why something may be a scum/town tell, or anything that might come to mind in that respect).
- Try to stay active, play to win, play by the rules, and have fun!

Let’s get started!

VOTE: anorway
Once a scum, always a scum.

[Does Bo Know]

Majiffy, you'll always be my thunder <3

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Majiffy and I like wagons. So yay.

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AA9: I've only played one game with Anorway, and Anorway and I were the scum team. (Newbie 1353, in my wiki if you'd like a peek.)

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Lol Nacho's VC

But PhDScar you holding the name thing against tfbjgcknbcffcc?

[Does Bo Know]

PhD, you love Scrubs

and

you joined on my birthday?

And

Neil Patrick Harris as an avatar? (Dr. Horrible was great!)

Why aren't we best friends yet?

But on a more serious note, this game's activity doesn't look the best. We should get down to business.

RQS (

Random Question Stage

) time. I'd like people to answer, since activity's already getting pretty stale around here.
- What are your thoughts on "Lynching All Liars" and "Lynching All Lurkers?"
- Why are you scum?
- Why shouldn't I vote you right now?

[Does Bo Know]

As long as you aren't Hugh Jackman.

But there aren't any right answers. Normally, RQS can be useful in newbie games so that players can gather reads on you without meta.

PEdit: My birthday is the 2nd, but that's your join date.

[Does Bo Know]

"You're good.

But I'm better!

"
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Hey Majiffy, any particular reason for voting PhDScar?

[Does Bo Know]

So it looks like the general opinion for the voting is to only do policy lynches as a last resort and only liars. Do you guys agree with that?

Lies can be helpful, IMO. A good gambit can go a long way, so it really depends on the experience of the player as to whether a lynch is necessary.

And lurkers can be a good lynch if they only come in to prod dodge and barely provide any content without an excuse.

So no, I'm afraid I don't simply agree with only lynching liars. Doesn't mean it's the wrong answer. It just means I'm not cool with it.

[Does Bo Know]

Not "only lynching liars" but even last resort, lynching liars isn't the best way for my vote to go.

[Does Bo Know]

I'll be

V/LA until Saturday, May 11, 2013

.

Just a heads up. I'll try to answer questions when I get back.

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EBWOP:

Also FOS: Sakura Hana

answers seemed scummy to me.

Why?

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Mod, never mind, I won't be V/LA anymore.

TMT, why aren't you voting Sakuna if you have suspicion of her?

Majiffy, fair enough. None of the other wagons have provided any good content, guess we should try another.

UNVOTE: anorway
VOTE: PhDScar

PhDScar, why did you unvote TMT?

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Majiffy, fair enough.

None of the other wagons have provided any good content, guess we should try another.

UNVOTE: anorway
VOTE: PhDScar

Any reason you're worried about PhD's wagon with only 2 votes on it?

[Does Bo Know]

You're iffy about it. Why are you iffy about it?

I feel like we're still technically in RVS. I haven't seen anything that warrants a serious vote yet.

Did you think we were out of RVS?

[Does Bo Know]

RVS is pretty ambiguous when it begins and ends. Normally, when plenty of players have votes on other players for logical scummy reasons, that's a general indicator that RVS is over.

So in my opinion, it isn't over yet. TMT shows suspicion of you, Majiffy may actually have a reason for PhD-scum that he's not disclosing at this time, but other than that most of the other votes are random or solely wagon votes.

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Then seriously discuss with us. Do you find any of the answers to the RQS worth talking about?

[Does Bo Know]

Did you think we were out of RVS?

I do. I've been out of RVS since I placed my vote.

Sakura may be town.

So why are you

really

voting PhD?

[Does Bo Know]

Then seriously discuss with us. Do you find any of the answers to the RQS worth talking about?

Apparently you do, otherwise I can't see why you'd ask this question.

Looks like I'll be able to atleast keep up with the posts till Sunday, but god Internet is slow here

I actually asked that to see what PhDScar thought. He reacted well (to me). I was wondering if he'd try to discuss why someone was possibly scum for some really stupid RQS stuff. But he's reading newbtown to me with his response: not trying to take any words too seriously, because he isn't quite sure what to look for yet.

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With that I UNVOTE:

[Does Bo Know]

Sakura, you're not wrong about wagons.

PhDScar, wagons are usually worse to jump on just to jump on as the game continues. I'm pretty sure Majiffy can vouch for me, he usually wagons early game. Who's your friend, by the way?

[Does Bo Know]

PhD also isn't showing any fear toward Majiffy or myself.

Yeah Majiffy, PhD is town, better unvote.

[Does Bo Know]

We're trying to get answers

and

lynch scum Majiffy.

PEdit: Don't see anything wrong with that reaction. I feel a newbscum reaction to Majiffy would've been a

lot

more polite, considering how polite he's been so far.

The step-by-step?

Sure

, let's listen to that.

[Does Bo Know]

CST.

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Ooohhhhh, the "they're all noob mistakes" defense doesn't help...

I don't know, I don't really see the case on PhDScar but that's because I'm only looking at Majiffy's post about it, not going back to previous posts. I'm on my phone, may get more into it tomorrow.

[Does Bo Know]

DBK who do you think could be scum if PhD were to flip town?

Patzer.

I promise I'll catch up more later today. I have to run a lot of errands and I'll be busy tonight. Sunday though, I'm catching up in all my games.

[Does Bo Know]

Alright, I'm awake, I will be on today. Just no promises on a time

[Does Bo Know]

And Majiffy knows what I'm talking about, but I'm probably gonna do more of a lengthy catch-up post (like the ones in Micro 158).

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O-KAY

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I am at a laptop and ready to catch up.

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Okay, when I first said Patzer would be scum, I wasn’t looking at much past opportunism in his 114. He just pointed out two posts and said PhD was most likely scum.

So, elaborating more on Majiffy’s 116:
- I actually don’t see anything scummy in 24. Yes, I do like PhDScar’s taste in media and whatnot, but that doesn’t look like buddying. If he does something that could possibly resemble buddying later, I’ll consider it.
- 27 could be played off as a joke, similarly to the reasons for not RVS voting Majiffy and I.
- 29: Eh, maybe.
- Intermission: At this point I’ll probably be Majiffy’s next target tomorrow if PhDScar is lynched today and flips town, considering I’ve “buddied” PhDScar simply through my 30? Which is in fact where 31 and 32 came from?
- 48 looks like a decent point.
- The points on posts 49 and 50 is dumb. I feel like PhD would’ve reacted in 49 or 50 instead of later in 66 if he were scum.
- Had to read post 66 again though, and at first I didn’t draw attention to the end of the post. That does look fairly suspicious…
-

It’s at this point I actually consider PhDScar could be scum. Before this Majiffy had some points but not enough for me to vote.

- 78 and 82 are both scum posts. The fact he was planning for a serious vote and didn’t give one…hm…

Okay, now after Majiffy’s case:

117 is typical “I’m a newbie” defense, and could be considered cautiousness in voting someone for weak reasons.

133 looks like genuine logic, but I do actually understand what PhDScar was trying to say, so I don’t see that as a scum tell.

139: I don’t see PhD changing the subject…

143: Oh man, PhD here trying to put some suspicion on Sakura without acting on it. (Although I do agree, doesn’t mean PhD is in the clear.)

I’m still trying to get a decent read on PhD after this post but it’s tough.

145 is Majiffy’s town play. Majiffy is normally known for pushing wagons to oblivion, but I’ve seen a little more reluctance from his town play than his scum play.

149 could be a newbie attempt at scumhunting but I still have a while to go apparently.

I agree with 153, note to self that Sakura is my top scumread at this point.

156: Maybe he thinks stating reads on everyone will make him look townie since a player before him did it?

162: My goodness this guy is playing the newb card or the scum card here. I'm leaning toward fairly scummy card.

171: Unvote doesn't make any sense in itself but also isn't scum-Majiffy.

174 is completely contradictory with 156. In 156 PhD says Majiffy's motives and actions are town, and when he pulls the case apart in 174, he shoots down everything as if it wasn't true. But a lot of these responses seem newbtown...nope nope NOPE NOPE nope I don't like the newb card anymore. Not in the slightest. Newbscum using newb excuses to defend, after originally stating in some other post that he said he could defend Majiffy's 116. PhDScar and Sakura are both good votes for me at this point.

178: Majiffy agrees with me, nice.

181: Terrible vote on TMT. We can't double-vote in this new setup, huh?

185: OH MY GOD SUCH A BAD UNVOTE. And thinking Majiffy changing his mind is scummy.

192: freezing-hell comes back in with an L-2 vote. Opportunism? We'll see, haven't finished reading yet.

197: Just the

way

that's posted ("I meant you're the first scum") sounds like a townie response, or something a townie would say if they suspected someone.

198 is worried about joking so that it'll blow up in his face, 199 looks like townie posting some more yay.

If there's anything anyone would like me to comment on, I'll try my best, but normally when I catch up, I don't elaborate on every single detail with every single opinion. My summer's started though, so I should be a lot more active throughout the day now. (Well, Monday I'll be gone because I'm getting a ton of errands done.)

Current reads (no particular order):

Town

Majiffy
Patzer
Freezing-hell
TMTOLBTWNTOF

Scum

Sakura Hana
PhDScar

Null

ArcAngel
anorway

Usually I have Null and Neutral in my reads; Null means they haven't posted enough content for me to have an opinion. Neutral means they've posted enough to deserve a read of some sort, but that I can't classify them leaning either way.

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VOTE: Sakuna

Majiffy, thoughts on Sakuna?

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Oy, Majiffy, as far as PhDScar goes, what does your

gut

say?

I also agree with the above.

[Does Bo Know]

Sakura is scum no doubt

.

Oh man I know who I'm going after if Sakura flips scum today.

[Does Bo Know]

Sometimes, players will refer to "today" being a real life day, or they'll refer to it being a game day. You'll have to read the context to understand which one it is sometimes.

I think Majiffy means today as in Day 1. Calm down, gaiz.

[Does Bo Know]

Also what's powerlynching? is it the same as speedlynching?

Usually, yes.

PhD: Having

no doubt

someone is scum implies you two are scum partners, since the only people that really know who the scum are...are scum. Make sense? Yes, you did somewhat start pursuing her. But the no doubt thing, especially from someone like you throwing newbtells, makes me uneasy.

[Does Bo Know]

Actually I didn't think my vote was L-1, my bad.

UNVOTE: Sakura
VOTE: PhDScar

[Does Bo Know]

Do you really think someone who's scum would say they have "no doubt someone's scum" on their partner? that would be throwing the game.

There is a technique called "bussing," in which a scum member may vote and want another scum member lynched for town cred.

I don't think PhD is the type to bus, though, so it's highly unlikely that is the case.

Like I said earlier, the only unsettling thing is that someone as newbish as PhDScar has been acting, is that he suddenly has enough confidence to say Sakura is "no doubt scum."

[Does Bo Know]

For some reason I remember putting Patzer in my town pile. Why?

He's neutral at best to me now.

[Does Bo Know]

It's not what you said recently about no reads. When Majiffy said some of your posts weren't good I agreed, but then I tried to remember why I had you in a town pile in my catch up.

[Does Bo Know]

I could see a possible Patzer/ Sakura scum team. There's been barely any interaction between the two, and pazter barely commented on Sakura in the first place, despite a wagon forming on her.

I could point quite a lot of people that didn't comment on my wagon, from that logic tho, Patzer could have been someone enjoying the show watching a Towny mislynch, but that's kinda doubtful too, otherwise he'd have hammered me. Unless he is throwing WIFOM?

Patzer-scum could be looking for towncred by not being on a mislynch.

[Does Bo Know]

It's not autoscum, but it's auto-"WTF was that for VOTEZ!!!"

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@patzer: Lol Chrimi

Can't take all the credit for that scum win, now can I?

[Does Bo Know]

ISO'd Patzer just now, I don't like him. A lot of his posts have been fluffed with meta stuff. Ironically, the one thing he's worried about being called scum for, isn't a reason I think he may be scum. We can throw him in my scum pile.

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@anorway: I never even though PhD could be scum until 66. In 95 (well actually 97) I let him slide because of his reactions.

Also I get links right because I preview my post like billions of times and make sure my tags are always right.

@patzer I may show you examples later.

[Does Bo Know]

Replace {} with []

{post}69{/post} is for simple reference.

Or

{post=69}This is a post{/post} is for linking with custom words.

Using these tags will refer to only this topic for easy tagging. When you preview post, the numbers in the {post} tag will change to hashtags, but they still link to the same thing.

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@anoway: I'd like to mention that my "pressure-to-get-wagons" thing isn't very scumtell-y of me. I did say early this game that I was hoping the wagons would start giving us something, right?

And I'll try to note Anorway's 255 for later, depending on how the rest of this day goes.

[Does Bo Know]

Ehhhhhhh

I don't wanna.

PhD and Sakura are my only vote choices ATM.

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Basically, TMT's 153 and 154 highlight most everything. And the super OMGUS on TMT later.

[Does Bo Know]

Your reasons were weaker than mine for joining your wagon.

I need to go back and check again to see your vote on TMT but from what I remember it didn't look very sincere.

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I'm gonna just pretend that previous post didn't happen, just in case you changed your story from the last time you voted TMT.

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Get used to it, TMT.

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Haha WTF is up with that unvote?

[Does Bo Know]

That he finds everything you do scummy? Because it's scummy?

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I don't know, the unvote could be considered appeasing the crowd.

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Meh, I just find the cases on PhD and Sakura more enticing for now. I don't simply vote my third top scum read because Majiffy says so.

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I may have to save that meme picture.

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Okay Patzer's scumhunting, he can be town.

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Yeah please. I feel like Patzer's most recent post is only associative, but useful (like he became useful later as town.) Maybe tomorrow then.

[Does Bo Know]

Majiffy, can you please just lynch Sakura with me? She's asking why PhD thinks she's scum when PhD has been talking about why Sakura is scum the whole game.

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Oh yeah
UNVOTE: PhDScar
VOTE: Sakura Hana

[Does Bo Know]

I was afraid to have you at L-1 because I wanted to see how everyone responded to my ideas first. After that I just forgot to vote you.

PEdit: So what do you take of TMT's case on Sakura then, Majiffy?

[Does Bo Know]

Yeah so Majiffy and Sakura can't be scum partners. Sorry Patzer.

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I agree with one point on that case: the initial PhD vote.

Nice try though.

[Does Bo Know]

"Nice try"? Seriously?

You scum, bro?

Nope. I just don't agree with the majority of your case.

[Does Bo Know]

Nope. I just don't agree with the majority of your case.

Then argue it.

After Patzer responds to it.

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Because I don't want to give Patzer the option of repeating my conclusions.

So I'll catch up tomorrow.

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I'm falling behind again dammit.

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VOTE: Sakura

Anyone with half a brain should be able to spot the scumslip.

Is it in the EBWOP or her reads? I'm catching up today and feel like I'm only using a third of my brain because I haven't spotted it yet.

[Does Bo Know]

And you know that

because

...?

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See I don't know if I missed the scum slip because I'm an idiot

Or if I missed the scum slip because only Majiffy sees it and it's not actually a real slip

Majiffy, wait for PhD to explain why he thinks it's a scum slip before you do.

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Nah, because Sakura corrected it in 3 minutes and Majiffy posted 6 hours later. So it could also be in her reads post.

Tell me why, in your opinion, you think that could possibly be a scum slip.

[Does Bo Know]

It's probable that Majiffy noticed it because he looked at things directed at him, so I'm hoping someone else can help me figure it out by reads Sakura's statements toward Majiffy?

I still read those things before catching up, and Sakura's reads are stupid. TMT is very scum but no vote. One vote on Arc isn't going to make her post more things. Majiffy

so obviously

still thought Patzer was scum by the time she posted her reads, so the question was stupid.

[Does Bo Know]

Nah, because Sakura corrected it in 3 minutes and Majiffy posted 6 hours later. So it could also be in her reads post.

Tell me why, in your opinion, you think that could possibly be a scum slip.

I don't really see it I was just guessing. I thought if maybe it seemed like

she was writing it for her scum partner

and accidently spoke to them directly. I don't know I'm probably wrong. It would be awesome if Majiffy explained himself more.

That's what I was thinking at first, but Majiffy isn't the type to look at associative tells before flips.

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Maybe.

Does that concern you?

[Does Bo Know]

Waiting until deadline to lynch can be a bad thing. It gives scum more time to deceive when things obviously look bad for them at this time. We lynch scum now, they don't get that chance.

I think we should wait for Majiffy to explain the slip, lynch Sakura, and tell ArcAngel that she has the night to catch up, and that if she comes up with nothing, then we can focus on pressuring the lurker. She is the only one really lurking a lot, and Freezing is a super town read to me regardless.

Okay enough procrastinating, time to do another catch-up. It won't be that big, though; just why I think the patzer case is crap, and an improved reads list.

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Majiffy: Null, now that i notice other than the wagons on PhD and you, he hasn't really said much, but he does look like he's trying to attempt to scumhunt,

even if he's been wrong in both attempts.

We haven't had a flip. How would she know if the two people I pushed on are town?

Huh.

Well, I like playing the devil's advocate for a lot of arguments. But saying "wrong" instead of "unsuccessful" seems like the big failure that I can't argue against. I'm ashamed I didn't notice that before.

So Patzer:
- The "not using meta" as to why he's scum is a stupid argument. It's just null.
- The wagon hopping is understandable when he first voted PhD, so that's one scummy thing against Patzer.
- When he unvotes PhD and comments on the Sakura wagon, Majiffy calls it opportunism--even though Patzer hasn't voted Sakura since. (Which is odd, considering he's calling Majiffy and Sakura scum without any votes anywhere...hm...)
- His case on Majiffy "slowly preparing a wagon" is a little strong, but at least he's doing his best to look at details.

I just don't find him scum for all of his actions. Neutral, sure. Plus, Patzer did a good job not reading people and then barely having decent reads in this game, but he did something similar (I believe) in Newbie 1353, and he was town. Soooo not scum right now, not voting right now.

I say we lynch Sakura right now. I believe she's scum, and if/when she flips scum, it'll give us a very strong townread on Patzer and PhD because of the slip Majiffy caught. Then, we pressure the living shit out of ArcAngel.

Town

Majiffy
Anorway
Freezing-hell
TMTOLBTWNTOF

Neutral

Patzer

Scum

Sakura Hana (super mega scum, she needs to die.)
PhDScar

[Does Bo Know]

Tell everyone else to vote her and see if it works.

If it doesn't put your vote back on TMT like a good little scum.

PEdit: what did you mean when you said Majiffy was wrong on both attempts?

[Does Bo Know]

Still not believing "wrong" was a good word to use. Because you haven't exactly stated was was "wrong."

And yes, I'm basically calling you scum regardless of whether you vote ArcAngel or TMT. Got a problem?

[Does Bo Know]

If you would actually be more townie I wouldn't "tunnel" you so hard. But you're not doing a very good job with that.

[Does Bo Know]

Being NK'ed N1 for being so townie is a

good

thing. Yeah, you don't play as much, but if you scumhunt enough, and you're NK'ed and flip town, people will read your posts and know that you helped them.

[Does Bo Know]

Yeah but you still had the belief Majiffy was likely scum. Right?

[Does Bo Know]

Also quit stalling the lynch. You deeply think Sakura is scum, and ArcAngel can wait for tomorrow. If she still provides nothing, we pressure the shit out of her.

[Does Bo Know]

Majiffy is unlikely scum.

If anything Majiffy is more likely scum if Sakura flips town. Majiffy was already a formidable town read throughout today, he wouldn't need a bus for even more towncred.

[Does Bo Know]

And if ArcAngel continues to do that Day 2, we'll vote the hell out of her.

[Does Bo Know]

Well if she's going to keep posting simple sentences, that's active lurking, which could be a scumtell. I like lynching active lurkers, I think I might've said that in the beginning during RQS. If not, that's my stance.

[Does Bo Know]

That being said, if she flips scum, I'm pretty confident you and PHD are confirmed town.

This.

[Does Bo Know]

TMT is most likely town for pursuing a Sakura lynch to the bitter end. I think he's been actively on Sakura-scum the longest.

Patzer is most likely town because of Sakura's slip.

Majiffy is probably town also because of the slip; Sakura probably wouldn't have commented on Majiffy being "wrong" in his reads. Plus, Majiffy was the only person that effectively caught the slip. Majiffy scum would be clever, but that's not a move I'd expect him to pull, to bus a partner he probably never had to bus in the first place, and then confirm two townies.

I'm town because I'm town.

That leaves ArcAngel, Anorway, and Freezing-hell. I feel like we can PoE to victory at this point, unless someone wants to refute the above statements.

I want to see PhD's ISO sometime today too. And I'm probably not going to pursue ArcAngel today for...selfish reasons.

I'm thinking Anorway is a good pressure for now, because initially Freezing has been a townread.

[Does Bo Know]

VOTE: Anorway

[Does Bo Know]

Any quick reads before you leave, Majiffy?

[Does Bo Know]

TMT, Patzer, Majiffy: Do you three pretty much agree with what I've said up there about you three being town? I want to see if we can keep a town bloc so that we can severely limit our chances to mislynch for the rest of the game.

[Does Bo Know]

Majiffy, TMT probably isn't scum because of how hard he pushed Sakura's lynch yesterday from basically the start. He was the first one to take it seriously and hadn't showed much resistance toward it, or didn't show any interest in starting a counter wagon. Unless he's a serious 100% busser regardless of the situation.

I honestly figured that AA9 wasn't the other scum because I proposed targeting her tomorrow, and this may sound selfish, but I was expecting to be NK'ed.

And Freezing had been on the Sakura wagon the whole time because he wasn't active for most of Day 1, so that's why I don't like Freezing for the most likely lynch today.

I like the Anorway wagon. Let's keep it up.

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@anorway: Do you think Majiffy, TMT, and Patzer are all town?

[Does Bo Know]

I honestly figured that AA9 wasn't the other scum because I proposed targeting her tomorrow, and this may sound selfish, but I was expecting to be NK'ed.

Lol, am honestly not the scum you're looking for
I wondering how majiffy survived through the night...

[Does Bo Know]

That's L-1, folks. Just a warning.

[Does Bo Know]

No, opportunistic would be claiming intent to hammer Anorway.

ArcAngel, are you suspicious of Patzer? And if so, do you or do you not agree with the reasons Majiffy and I gave for Patzer being town?

[Does Bo Know]

In fact, Patzer was the only real person to look your way after I mentioned Anorway needed votes... Quite the opposite of opportunism.

[Does Bo Know]

Yeah this game is moving so slowly without her.

UNVOTE: anorway
VOTE: ArcAngel9

I'm hoping this adds some more pressure for her to post, because simply telling her isn't helping the fact.

[Does Bo Know]

Well damn. I thought she'd respond to L-2. *shrug*

The associative tell is pretty weak, but compared to Freezing, anorway fits better.

Thing is, the game is moving very slowly, and I hate how much it's stalling. I want something to happen, and I'm about to just look for more questions to ask Anorway because no one is really doing anything.

UNVOTE: ArcAngel9
VOTE: anorway
VOTE:

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Oh crap I actually messed up HTML! NOOOOO

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Meh, not really, mainly because Majiffy said ArcAngel9 doesn't usually respond to pressure.

I'm fine with either wagon though.

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SAME

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Thank goodness.

Claim Anorway. Get to it.

[Does Bo Know]

Sorry, I just couldn't think of any good questions, considering how set I am in my PoE at this point that if Anorway isn't scum, either Freezing is or AA9 is.

[Does Bo Know]

Actually, scum is probably DBK or Arcangel.

VOTE: DoesBoKnow

Any reason you feel I've been scummier than Anorway? You haven't posted that much content anyway, so I'd like to know your thoughts.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: freezing-hell

I don't like his last post at all. Sudden unexplained switch to DBK?

That makes Freezing less likely to be scum. No one would've minded if he hammered Anorway, so why go through the trouble of voting a different player?

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No guarantee I'll remember, but in this situation, do you think Freezing is more scummy or more townie for switching the vote over to me?

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@patzer: What do you think about Majiffy saying that ArcAngel doesn't really respond to pressure?

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Ugh I'm torn.

UNVOTE: Anorway
VOTE: ArcAngel9

Fuck it, I'll try it anyway.

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Stay proud, Nacho.

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Prod dodging, will most likely post tomorrow.

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Okay, catch-up post time.

593: probably posted by the greatest human to ever live.

Awesome. Reads haven't changed. Glad I could catch up.

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^^The awkward moment when it actually directs to Nacho.

Oops.

Oh well, he's the best then

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I want to lynch Anorway after all. And since he already claimed:

vote: Anorway

Could you explain the thought process from

Intent to hammer Anorway
to
Scum in DBK or ArcAngel
to
Wanting to lynch Anorway after all?

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Funny how from day 3 on (even a bit of day2) it seemed like no shits were given.

Because I died.

Duh.

Seriously though, this game lacked some serious activity, and for the most part I blame ArcAngel for that. If she would've been more prominent, Day 3 wouldn't have been such a drag, and maybe an entirely different lynch could've happened.

If anyone tries to read the entire dead QT, my theory had Majiffy as scum under the condition that TMT and Freezing were both PR's. Specifically, Freezing as Cop (exclaiming loudly how obvtown Mutley was without explanation, not doing the same about anyone else, which I assumed was a roleblock, and saying there's most likely a Doc in the setup somewhere this game) and TMT as a Doc (to align with Freezing, plus TMT

really thought

AA9 was a VT).

Majiffy, why did you kill me? I thought it was clear my stubborn town bloc setup would've brought you to victory.

Also, Mutley, I'm glad you told Majiffy to claim. It seems like that's a really good way to catch the final scum in LyLo, since it's hard to predict exactly which setup is possible.

I'll post some thoughts on all the players later, have to go to...THE DMV. *sigh*

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^^^Also to the above, it was just really unlucky that Majiffy didn't get a single PR. That's what resulted in an insta-loss.

So killing at least one PR is priority for scum in this game, much more so IMO than others. It allows scum to narrow down the list of possible setups. It seems like a better thing to do first than killing players that might sway people better than you. (I guess that's me, in this case. My NK was the only one I don't understand.) Get rid of a PR, then kill off the power players.

Okay now I'm really leaving.

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He got lynched entirely because of setup possibilities. I feel like VT would've been the worst thing to claim considering all the PR's he didn't lynch.

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Dead QT was a fun read.

QFT

Seriously though, best dead thread I've ever been in.

But I was your biggest threat? Haha oh well.

I've decided not to give thoughts on newbies' performances. I just want you guys to know that the more active you are, the more interesting the game gets (don't let AA9 and Freezing be examples of normal activity around here). And also, use semi-open setups to your advantage, exactly how Mutley did.

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I actually have the highest number of posts out of everyone and I was killed halfway through.

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I'd have to go read through Day 1 if I cared enough (I might, I'm not sure yet). But I think the things I told you in the QT might've been enough. Hahaha

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I too would like tips.

Hm...

Firstly, you seemed to act like the biggest newbie this game. Try not to pull anything like that in any other games, regardless of alignment. It shows weakness, and scum could certainly take advantage of that weakness.

*looks at Majiffy*

Secondly, I think you were pretty flip-floppy this game, which is fine, because some newbies tend to be really cautious as townies. But when you go from "Sakura is scum no doubt" to "I want to unvote because she's at L-1," again, scum could take advantage of that and a smart townie may go ahead and follow through with votes and lynches.

I think that's it for PhDScar.

Did we discuss in post-game that Sakura's slip wasn't even a slip, that it was truly a grammar thing? If I would've known that, I would've thrown the town bloc out the window. Then I probably would've been a much more obvious target for Majiffy.

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Secondly, I think you were pretty flip-floppy this game, which is fine, because some newbies tend to be really cautious as townies. But when you go from "Sakura is scum no doubt" to "I want to unvote because she's at L-1," again,

scum could take advantage of that

and a smart townie may go ahead and follow through with votes and lynches.

The bold is for general flip-flopping.

The smart townie thing was for the specific thinking someone is no doubt scum to not wanting them lynched while they're at L-1. At least, I'd catch onto that and think that's scummy. *shrug*

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Also, my memory's pretty foggy throughout Day 1, I might've caught onto that quick transition from PhD, I might not have. I only noticed it now because I looked through his ISO.

Basically, thinking someone is scum just because they're flip flopping is scummy, IMO. However, saying that flip flopping isn't a scum tell is ludicrous, because it's all based on how the flip flopping occurs in a certain game. It's the way someone flip flops that could be scummy, and even then, that shouldn't be enough to call them scum and go through a lynch.

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That's the spirit.

I'm glad I was able to IC this game. Overall, I feel like my purple-font things didn't distract much from my actual play.

I'm not going to keep IC'ing into games though. Most likely I'll /in to the queue that needs more players, for the sake of Queue flow. I don't mind either position.

Once I mod my first game, I'll also frequently mod Newbie games since I know sometimes Mod participation drops.

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Well GG, town! Glad we won. Sorry for my lack of activity. Unfortunately, I didn't have too much time. Normally I'm more of an analytical player, but didn't have that much time so I tried a somewhat different approach; going more for reactions.

I tried appearing as the cop, somewhat, so that Mafia would target me.

I knew Mutley was town. Last three games I played, he was in there as well. So I had a pretty good feel about his alignment.

No shit. It definitely worked on me.

@Mutley: Nah, I've just always liked being a mod on an old site. It's a lot less formal over there, but you guys play more interestingly.