Newbie 1371: Max Steel, Max Finished!

[PhDScar]

Hello. Wow a lot of votes without anyone actually doing anything that's... unfair. I guess I'll do the same. I'm not voting for Does Bo Know because I love Scrubs and not Majiffy because he made me laugh. I do agree with Patzer so I too shall vote for TMTOLBTWNTOF for having one of the stupidest usernames I have ever seen in all my years of using the internet.

VOTE: TMTOLBTWBTOF

[PhDScar]

Are you trying to defend your name? Not working I hate Mel Gibson.

[PhDScar]

Not really it's just that I was the only who hadn't voted so I went with any reason I could think of to cast a vote.

[PhDScar]

I think the "Lynching All Liars" could be safest thing to do. So i agree with that. I don't agree with "Lynching All Lurkers" because you never know what the reason is. Maybe they have computer issues or a real life emergency.

I'm scum because I treat others poorly so I can feel better about myself. (Not sure if that is the right answer to give. This is my first game. So i went with a joke)

You're Dr.Cox I'm Dr.Horrible we are a match made in heaven. <3

[PhDScar]

PhD, you love Scrubs

and

you joined on my birthday?

Happy Birthday!

[PhDScar]

Well better late than never.

[PhDScar]

So it looks like the general opinion for the voting is to only do policy lynches as a last resort and only liars. Do you guys agree with that?

[PhDScar]

[quote="I'm scum because I always eat the last cookie in the jar, even though someone else wants it. [/quote]
How dare you! You knew I called dibs on that cookie.

[PhDScar]

[quote="I'm scum because I always eat the last cookie in the jar, even though someone else wants it.

How dare you! You knew I called dibs on that cookie. [/quote]
Well... looks like I messed that up. Sorry new here.

[PhDScar]

Okay I actually sort of agree with your opinion. I wasn't saying that was my opinion it was just how it seemed all the players in this were leaning.

[PhDScar]

Hey Majiffy, any particular reason for voting PhDScar?

Cuz he has a scum role PM. Vote him with me.

... What the hell kind of logic is that?! First of all I don't have a PM saying I'm playing scum. Secondly if I did how the fuck would you know? You can't see my Pm's.

[PhDScar]

Unvote

[PhDScar]

Man... leave for a few hours and look what happens!

Mod, never mind, I won't be V/LA anymore.

PhDScar, why did you unvote TMT?

I was getting ready to do serous votes. Don't take that as 'I have a suspect' just as I'm ready for serious discussion.

[PhDScar]

I really haven’t discovered anything. I was hoping someone would have something to say to get stuff rolling. Also by the way this wagon I’m carrying is starting to get a bit heavy.

[PhDScar]

No I have never played this game before on this site or others. I know a bit about this game because my friend who has played a lot has been giving me tips. Are you asking because I'm so bad it's obvious or I seem a bit experienced?

[PhDScar]

And when I say my friend has been giving me tips. I don't mean he has been looking over my shoulder telling what to do for this game. I mean he just gave me a rundown of the basics and what I should watch out for.

[PhDScar]

Then seriously discuss with us. Do you find any of the answers to the RQS worth talking about?

Apparently you do, otherwise I can't see why you'd ask this question.

Looks like I'll be able to atleast keep up with the posts till Sunday, but god Internet is slow here

I actually asked that to see what PhDScar thought. He reacted well (to me). I was wondering if he'd try to discuss why someone was possibly scum for some really stupid RQS stuff. But he's reading newbtown to me with his response: not trying to take any words too seriously, because he isn't quite sure what to look for yet.

Okay well I have some thoughts but they probably suck.

I think ArcAngel9 is a bit suspicions in the way she is sort of sticking to the shadows. She (guessing you're a girl from pic) is making posts but not really making an impact. She just sort of goes with the flow and isn't discussing how she feels about anyone in this game.

Majiffy has something against me for some reason but share that seems very scummy.

Sorry to say this because I like you but Does Bo Know is also a bit suspicious. One of the big things my friend warned me about is people that join wagons. You vote for people without giving a reason other than "other people have" and you didn't answer your own questions you asked. But this one is a mute because you unvoted me and only did because you thought it was RVS.

Laslty Anorway has done nothing at all.

[PhDScar]

Majiffy has something against me *but for some reason *won't share that seems very scummy.

[PhDScar]

Does Bo Know just asked me to give my thoughts so I did. It wasn't actually supposed to sway people.

[PhDScar]

Oh my friend is Shabostien. I think it might be spelled slightly wrong, too lazy to check.

[PhDScar]

I'm actually really excited to read what Majiffy has to say. Not only will it get this game going but it will teach me a lot about this game. A lot of pressure though, the quality of his post and the quality of my rebuttal seems like it will decided which one of the two of us will get lynched.

[PhDScar]

I think the "Lynching All Liars" could be safest thing to do. So i agree with that. I don't agree with "Lynching All Lurkers" because you never know what the reason is. Maybe they have computer issues or a real life emergency.

Okay I actually sort of agree with your opinion. I wasn't saying that was my opinion it was just how it seemed all the players in this were leaning.

These posts contradict each other.
at the moment PhD looks like the most likely scum.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: PhDScar

Sorry for the confusion all I was trying to say is that what he wrote was well written and made me rethink my opinion. Also it isn't very far how you those quotes out of context. So I ask anyone whom read this to go back to when I said the first quote and read up to last it should fill in some gaps.

[PhDScar]

Hello.

Wow a lot of votes without anyone actually doing anything that's... unfair. I guess I'll do the same.

I'm not voting for Does Bo Know because I love Scrubs and not Majiffy because he made me laugh.

I do agree with Patzer so I too shall vote for TMTOLBTWNTOF for having one of the stupidest usernames I have ever seen in all my years of using the internet.

VOTE: TMTOLBTWBTOF

Bolded:

What?

Underlined: Buddying.
Italicized: Trying to add credence to an RVS vote.

Are you trying to defend your name? Not working I hate Mel Gibson.

Subtle push on the wagon while still playing it off as RVS/joke.

Not really it's just that I was the only who hadn't voted so I went with any reason I could think of to cast a vote.

Not a town mindset. Why so worried about fitting in?

More buddying in 31, 32. Not worth quoting.

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That covers my original vote. The following are poor reactions since my vote that have reinforced my believe that PhD is scum.

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48 is a possible testing-of-the-waters to find out what he could feasibly get away with pushing.
49 and 50 bear no mention of my very serious vote on PhD.
66 (as I've brought up) is a caught-scum reaction when presented with no case they can defend against. I draw particular attention to the last two sentences and the facepalm emoticon. This is not a town mindset.
78 appears to be trying to play off a wagon as "no big deal". Also mentions that he's 'ready to do a serious vote'... Where is it?
82 "I haven't discovered anything"... Then why were you 'ready to do a serious vote' if you had no serious target?

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So vote PhD.
Also don't like anorway's 102/"reasons for voting Majiffy". The entire thing is just weak and possibly chainsaw'y, but I can't imagine a buddy of caught scum would blatantly chainsaw d1.

Going to be honest I have hard time defending from this. Most of my answers to what Majiffy said are "noob screw ups". Also to the "also mentions he's ready to do a serious vote" bit, I wrote many times it had nothing to do with me thinking of any just me saying for me RVS is over.

[PhDScar]

Had nothing to do with me thinking of *anyone just me saying for me RVS is over.

[PhDScar]

People kept asking who I was thinking of (despite me making a few posts saying I didn't have anyone) so to get people off my back I forced out a few weak reason to suspect people. The reasons were so weak I didn't vote for those people. See what I mean, most of your issues with me are because I made stupid noob mistakes. I really hope this clears up a few things I really am town and I don’t want my first game to end like this.

[PhDScar]

...this is not going to end well.

[PhDScar]

Talking or just being an idiot all around?

[PhDScar]

Pretty sure PhD isn't self-voting, Nacho.

You're a sharp one.
~Nacho

He didn't say i was voting myself.

[PhDScar]

Also, I'd like to see some more interaction from ArcAngel and Patzer. I'm going to ask this to both of you: who do you find suspicious and why?

I'm just going to point out quite a few players from this game have been extremely inactive. They have also yet to answer questions posed directly at them. I too would like to see their answers to the question above.

[PhDScar]

Pretty sure PhD isn't self-voting, Nacho.

You're a sharp one.
~Nacho

He didn't say i was voting myself.

that's because when the mod makes a mistake they tend to correct it. mods can edit.

Sorry my mistake. Thanks for catching that Majiffy.

[PhDScar]

I'm not lying. Yes the “lynch all liars” was my opinion but I said everyone was leaning to lynch liars if it's that possible resort. Bo responded to the second and I said that wasn't my opinion and that that's true because I said let's just lynch people who lie no matter what. Also that's not my opinion anymore because I realize that's a shitty idea that would just help the scum more than us. Don’t you get what I’m trying to say?

[PhDScar]

How have i been trying to change the subject.

[PhDScar]

After re-reading patzer's post 133 (how did i miss it in the first place? X_X) yeah this kinda looks odd to me
VOTE: PhD
Maybe additional pressure will help

Additional pressure will help what exactly?

[PhDScar]

Man it sure is a funny coincidence how Sakura always shows up for the wagons then disappears when they are over... I'm sure it's nothing though

[PhDScar]

After re-reading patzer's post 133 (how did i miss it in the first place? X_X) yeah this kinda looks odd to me
VOTE: PhD
Maybe additional pressure will help

Additional pressure will help what exactly?

Telling you would spoil the fun

That doesn't sound scummy in the slightest.

[PhDScar]

Sakura has been acting scummy with her vote hopping on and off my wagon. DBK voted me and right after she did.

VOTE: PhD
I feel an L-2 situation might yield more answers.

DBK unvotes

With that I UNVOTE:

And guess what? Sakura unvoted as well.

I joined the wagon thinking it was to gauge reactions, but it seems I was wrong, so i rather wait for a reason from Majiffy before i decide whether i buy his read on you or not, so for the time being
UNVOTE:

She doesn’t give reasoning for her votes, just claims to be "looking for answers".

After re-reading patzer's post 133 (how did i miss it in the first place? X_X) yeah this kinda looks odd to me
VOTE: PhD
Maybe additional pressure will help

Additional pressure will help what exactly?

Telling you would spoil the fun

Her eagerness to sheep onto wagons is scummy enough, and her reasons for voting are barely there.
Also sorry if these quotes don’t turn out in the proper format I don’t understand how it works.

[PhDScar]

I'm going to follow TMTOLBTWNTOF's lead and give a reading on everyone.

People who haven't done anything so I can't really get a read on at all: Anorway, Freezing hell, and ArcAngel whom even went as far as to get prodded.
To these people I want you to post your own reads.

Majiffy: I thought he was scum for the longest time. I thought this because he spent a large chunk of the game saying “PhD is scum” but not giving any reason. After reading his reasons for calling me scum I think they are well founded and well argued. Making me believe firmly he is Town.

Patzer: He is calling me out on things that aren't founded at all. I don't think he is scum though. Maybe he just worded his arguments poorly or wanted to justify his vote but not say what Majiffy had already covered.

TMTOLBTWNTOF: Is probably town. He is there to voice his opinion even when most people don't agree with shows he isn't desperate to fit in. He also we give well written arguments for why he votes but quickly retracts when his opinion changes. Not giving some excuse of "keeping pressure" and leaving it but actually explaining what made his mind change.

Does Bo Know: He seems town but I would feel even more secure of this if he gave his feeling of other players more.

Sakura Hana: Scum. Her reasoning and arguments make no sense and are even contradicting. She has also been waggoning this entire game, not super scummy on its own but in this context it adds up.

PhD: Cool guy... Not applicable

VOTE: Sakura Hana

[PhDScar]

Oh. I apologize for misinterpreting.

Well, my other points still stand.

Also, I really don't sit well with PHD not taking the initiative and voting someone who he thinks is scum. This could be chalked down to general noobiness or caution to the fact that he is at L-2, but the fact that he waited for someone's support is somewhat bizarre.

I'm going to admit it. I did wait for you to vote Sakura because I'm L-2. I was worried someone might accuse me. Saying that it was somehow scummy and making this situation worse for me. So I waited until someone also shared my opinion and cast a vote. It made me feel a lot safer it also validated that I was on the right track thinking she is scum.

[PhDScar]

it also validated that I was on the right track thinking she is scum.

Care to explain why am I scum? I still haven't gotten a clear reason from you other than ignoring or misrepping my posts
Pretty much same question I asked They may take our lives but they will not take our freedom

I've explained why I think you're scum before already. You keep hopping on and off my wagon with no or a weak explanation. Also when directly questioned on why you were voting me you ignored it and played it off as a joke. I'm not going to speak for TMTOLBTWNTO but I think he gave an even better argument for being scum with even more evidence than I did and you're ignoring it. Also you keep saying I'm "misrepresenting" you. If I am then show how I did that. Provide the evidence I "misrepresented" you instead of just repeating the same statement.

After re-reading patzer's post 133 (how did i miss it in the first place? X_X) yeah this kinda looks odd to me
VOTE: PhD
Maybe additional pressure will help

Additional pressure will help what exactly?

Telling you would spoil the fun

Want to stop doing that tongue for all your posts you seem to think are clever it's just sort of obnoxious.

[PhDScar]

Hey guys, Im back later today and will have good internet again. I''ll catch up then.
PhDscar, I wasnt prodded. I was V LA.

I said ArchAngel was prodded.

[PhDScar]

Here it is the long awaited (but not really) response to Majiffy’s case on me

Spoiler:

Hello.

Wow a lot of votes without anyone actually doing anything that's... unfair. I guess I'll do the same.

I'm not voting for Does Bo Know because I love Scrubs and not Majiffy because he made me laugh.

I do agree with Patzer so I too shall vote for TMTOLBTWNTOF for having one of the stupidest usernames I have ever seen in all my years of using the internet.

VOTE: TMTOLBTWBTOF

Bolded:

What?

Underlined: Buddying.
Italicized: Trying to add credence to an RVS vote.

To the bolded section: That was just a bad joke. At the time I had no idea what RVS was I just new you guys were kidding around but I wasn't sure why. So I expressed my confusion as a joke.

To the underlined: I was just being friendly. I do like to be friendly to people I just meet especially since I have never played this game before. On the other hand I can from friendly to anger very easily because I have low tolerance for people. I'll come back to that.

To the italicized: A lot of people were giving joke reasons to their votes so i followed example.

VOTE: TMTOLBTWNTOF
For having an annoying username.

VOTE: anorway
Once a scum, always a scum.

You were scum last game!

VOTE: Does Bo Know

Are you trying to defend your name? Not working I hate Mel Gibson.

Subtle push on the wagon while still playing it off as RVS/joke.[/quote]

Okay maybe i could see this except for one key factor. If i was going to try and turn an RVS into a (what's that term for people lynching something as a joke it's called hammer something?) then why didn't i join with more votes to start. Anorway was at L-2 and Bo L-3.

Not really it's just that I was the only who hadn't voted so I went with any reason I could think of to cast a vote.

Not a town mindset. Why so worried about fitting in?[/quote]

Of course I'm worried about fitting in. I'm in a new complicated game with people i have never met before. Also this game sort of depends on people liking you no matter what side you're on.

More buddying in 31, 32. Not worth quoting.

Bo strated it.

That covers my original vote. The following are poor reactions since my vote that have reinforced my believe that PhD is scum.

Extremely weak vote.

48 is a possible testing-of-the-waters to find out what he could feasibly get away with pushing.

That whole post was a stupid move by me. All i wanted to do was try and make sense of everyone’s post and see if we could reach a consensus. It was me forcing basically my opinion on to everyone and was stupid. It annoyed people and I’m sorry. I did actually think us all agreeing to that would be helpful. Also i no longer even agree with that opinion. As I learned it would most likely help scum over town.

49 and 50 bear no mention of my very serious vote on PhD.

I had no idea it was a serious vote at the time no one did. Also Bo had already questioned you about so I was waiting for the answer.

66 (as I've brought up) is a caught-scum reaction when presented with no case they can defend against. I draw particular attention to the last two sentences and the facepalm emoticon. This is not a town mindset.

As I said earlier I have a low tolerance for people. Especially stupid people or people who think they are funny but aren't. At the time I thought you were one or the other and quickly rushed out an angry "What the fuck is wrong with you" response. If I actually stopped to think about I probably would of thought it was a joke and ignored because again at that point most people thought you were RVSing. I don't even understand how using a face palm emoticon is not "town".

78 appears to be trying to play off a wagon as "no big deal". Also mentions that he's 'ready to do a serious vote'... Where is it?

I didn't think it was a big deal. Two of the people voting seemed to think it was a joke wagon and I wasn't worried about having one vote on me. Going to respond to the second half next.

82 "I haven't discovered anything"... Then why were you 'ready to do a serious vote' if you had no serious target?

Okay this was me being all around idiotic. I actually thought this at the time. "If I say let's get serious instantly everyone will have a million reasons and ideas why everyone else is scum and this will pick up” : facepalm: . I was just getting bored and had no idea how to get the game into serious mode. So I gave that a try.

So vote PhD.

I think most of your argument is based on stuff i did after you voted me but you seem to think that my pre vote stuff is still a strong case. There a full proper response it's something i have been putting off due to laziness but now I've done it.

[PhDScar]

I screwed up two of the quotes. So anything that ends in [/quote] but isn't formatted properly is me trying to quote Majiffy. I think it happened twice.

[PhDScar]

VOTE: PhD

Changed my mind. PhD needs to die.

The fuck. Why?

[PhDScar]

I don't see it but whatever. I tried my best and was being honest. I didn't work so there isn't much else i can do.

[PhDScar]

*it

[PhDScar]

I can understand the argument that you could be town, in my first game I very nearly got lynched (as town) and my answers looked similar to yours. In this case, I think you are scum because your logic has been inconsistent and you have made far more scumslips than I did in that game. It's Newbie 1343, Day 2 if you were wondering.

The biggest reason for my inconsistency is that I never read the wiki. Instead my friend has just been answering any questions I have for him about the game. So one day I'll not have any idea about one side of the game and give an opinion then the next I'll learn something new that will make me do a complete 180.

[PhDScar]

Finally, please address these points, Sakura

1. It really feels like you're reaching for that. You seem pretty nervous about being voted? Of course he would be nervous.
2. And you're saying he shouldn't be nervous, yet you are putting pressure on him.

You seem to be doing a pretty good job ignoring them.

My bad, sorry about that.
1. VTs dont really need to get nervous imo, nervousness causes scumslips more easily.
2. I'm putting pressure on him to see if he gets nervous or not, and if due to said pressure causes a scumslip, to further deepen my reasonings on him.

@PhD: Fair enough, i'm willing to buy your "newbie card" for the time being, the way TMT reacted leads me to believe there's a high chance he was trying to buddy you, tho the way you "waited" for someone to vote on me before voting for me, makes me think you were trying to jump on the first wagon against a Town, considering, if you're scum, you know who is Town and who is Scum, but the way you and TMT pushed the case against me without even answering my questions about it, and even kept your votes on me despite me already explaining the misrep and the other point that was on it, is just rubbing me the wrong way, but for PhD it could be easily be him wanting to be safe as he said, considering he's new.
TMT doesn't have such luxury on the other hand, It's likely you both are scum, tho maybe not scum together, and i think TMT has higher chance of flipping scum atm, so...

VOTE: They May Take Our Lives But They Will Never Take Our Freedom

I'm going to be away most of the day due to Mother's day, sorry guys

I was at first really sure that you're scum but now not so much. My reason for voting you was. If you're scum you know I'm town so you tried to push my wagon and get me lynched. Sadly that reasoning only works for me. As no one except me knows if I'm town or scum.

UNVOTE

I'm still suspicious of you. Again sorry for the scum like way i waited for someone else to vote you. It just could have gone really bad if I did vote and someone didn't agree and used it as a way to make me look scum.

About your vote TMT I really don't think he's scum at all. I could see the argument that he and I are scum because he seems to have been defending me all game. Also if he is scum and I know I'm I thinking his logic behind defending could be this. If he keeps me around knowing most people in the game think I'm scummy he could use me as a scapegoat whenever he needed it. But I really doubt he's scum. He and Bo are my number one picks for town. Majiffy used to be up there but his recent post of "PhD must die" is really scummy.

[PhDScar]

About your vote TMT I really don't think he's scum at all. I could see the argument that he and I are scum because he seems to have been defending me all game. Also if he is scum and I know I'm I thinking his logic behind defending could be this. If he keeps me around knowing most people in the game think I'm scummy he could use me as a scapegoat whenever he needed it. But I really doubt he's scum. He and Bo are my number one picks for town. Majiffy used to be up there but his recent post of "PhD must die" is really scummy.

That engrish.

*About your vote TMT I really don't think he's scum at all. I could see the argument that he and I are scum because he seems to have been defending me all game. Also if he is scum and I know I am town so I'm thinking his logic behind defending me could be this. If he keeps me around knowing most people in the game think I'm scummy he could use me as a scapegoat whenever he needed it. But I really doubt he's scum. He and Bo are my number one picks for town. Majiffy used to be up there but his recent post of "PhD must die" is really scummy.

[PhDScar]

I'm actually really excited to read what Majiffy has to say. Not only will it get this game going but it will teach me a lot about this game. A lot of pressure though, the quality of his post and the quality of my rebuttal seems like it will decided which one of the two of us will get lynched.

Hmm I wonder what made you think back then , that it would be a 1v1 between you and Majiffy.

Back then I thought that way because everyone's response to Majiffy's claim was "I’m not sure". So it felt that is his claim fell on its face he would get serious back lash. I also seriously over estimated myself and when it came time to make a rebuttal I was extremely lazy and made a terrible argument.

[PhDScar]

Alright. PhDScar is scum nr. 1 for his scum reactions.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: phDScar That should put him back to L-2.

Could you give a little more than "scum reactions" also you listed it as reason 1 but you have no follow up reasons. You've been inactive so long and just to show up and jump on a wagon is suspicious. Could you maybe give a detailed read on everyone to make up for your very lacking content.

[PhDScar]

PhDscar, is Sakura your scum buddy?

Was going to respond with a joke but I’m too worried that would blow up in my face though. I assume you're just reaction testing or else I have no idea how you want me to respond to this.

[PhDScar]

You think of her as suspicious yet you unvote her - and haven't placed your vote somewhere else. Why unvote her then, if she's still suspicious and you didn't find a better candidate?

I don't like using my vote unless I think they are 100%. If I'm not certain I won't vote. I just think its better that way.

[PhDScar]

You think of her as suspicious yet you unvote her - and haven't placed your vote somewhere else. Why unvote her then, if she's still suspicious and you didn't find a better candidate?

I don't like using my vote unless I think they are 100%. If I'm not certain I won't vote. I just think its better that way.

I wrote that poorly. I only vote if I think they are 100% scum if not I don't vote/unvote. That's better.

[PhDScar]

Who is your biggest suspect right now?

Sakura Hana. She has been wagoning this whole game. She also gave a poor argument for her votes and a poor defense when voted on. She also seemed to react very poorly to the pressure of L-3 acting very different from how she normally does.

[PhDScar]

VOTE: Sakuna

Majiffy, thoughts on Sakuna?

You spelled her name wrong. Also no more votes on Sakura until everyone gets to share their piece seeing as how she's L-2.

[PhDScar]

I'm going to have paranoia on his slot if we don't powerlynch it today.

Today?! Isn't that a bit early for a lynch? I know you had this feeling about me all game but still. We should at least wait for the inactive players to show up so we can get their views on everyone think me and/or Sakura are scum. We should also do a bit of questioning of them to check if the scum or scums isn't one of them.

[PhDScar]

, but if that's what you guys think, then i don't mind being lynched today, maybe that will clear your doubts regarding my alignment?

This feels contrived and way too premature to appear honest.

It's even more premature when you take into consideration that the "lynch today" was directed at me.

Sakura is scum no doubt.

[PhDScar]

Sakura is scum no doubt

.

Oh man I know who I'm going after if Sakura flips scum today.

Look that just doesn't make any sense. I get some of your reasons for me being scum but this makes no sense. It would make sense if this was the first time I said she was scum but it's not. Actually I was the one who out of nowhere convinced most people suspicious of her to be suspicious. It be a really bad scum play on my part to do that. The kind of tactic where you sacrifice one of your own only works if the scum left is considered town by most. If anything it would makes sense for Sakura to sacrifice me also. I get coming after me if she turn town but not scum turns up town.

[PhDScar]

Sometimes, players will refer to "today" being a real life day, or they'll refer to it being a game day. You'll have to read the context to understand which one it is sometimes.

I think Majiffy means today as in Day 1. Calm down, gaiz.

That makes a lot more sense.

[PhDScar]

PhD: Having no doubt someone is scum implies you two are scum partners, since the only people that really know who the scum are...are scum. Make sense? Yes, you did somewhat start pursuing her. But the no doubt thing, especially from someone like you throwing newbtells, makes me uneasy.

Still, it feels like you're stretching to make me look like scum no matter what the outcome of Sakura's flip is.

[PhDScar]

Do you really think someone who's scum would say they have "no doubt someone's scum" on their partner? that would be throwing the game.

It's a tactic some well-coordinated scum use. It only works if the living scum is considered town. So for me to do it would make no sense seeing as how I'm most likely going to be first or second lynch.

[PhDScar]

I have confidence because all or at least most active players agree with me. The "no doubt" was bad wording on my I guess.

[PhDScar]

on my *part I guess.

[PhDScar]

No I'm not saying that. I'm saying this game and the people in it have made me feel very uneasy about I act. So I had a lot of doubt that voting her was the right move but when everyone else thought voting her was the right move I felt secure in my decision.

[PhDScar]

You never gave that reason. Also I backed that up with evidence and explanation. You just jumped on my wagon and responded to my serious question about why you were on my wagon with a joke.

[PhDScar]

After re-reading patzer's post 133 (how did i miss it in the first place? X_X) yeah this kinda looks odd to me
VOTE: PhD
Maybe additional pressure will help

Does this look like a joke to you

That wasn't what i was talking about.

After re-reading patzer's post 133 (how did i miss it in the first place? X_X) yeah this kinda looks odd to me
VOTE: PhD
Maybe additional pressure will help

Additional pressure will help what exactly?

Telling you would spoil the fun

This is what i was talking about.

[PhDScar]

@PhD: Well i'm not one for saying my reasons straight away unless i'm making a case, mostly so i know who can see what i'm seeing, and so the one i'm going against doesn't change their attitude to solve the issue and appear more town to me.

But why didn't you present your case when people were accusing you of being scum for having no reason?

[PhDScar]

@Mod: Any what's going on with ArcAngel9?

[PhDScar]

@Mod: Any what's going on with ArcAngel9?

Why do i always leave out words?! Any *idea what's going on with ArcAngel9?

[PhDScar]

I'd be willing to go for Patzer if you find yourself with a PhD town read. Seen some posts by him I didn't particularly enjoy.

Why do find Patzer suspicious? I too have a bad feeling about him but I doubt it's for the same reason, similar maybe but not the same.

On page six Patzer harassed me repeatedly over the issue of "lying". A fact I argued with him over for basically the entire page. In one of his more recent posts he did a completely unexplained 180 claiming I appear neutral on page six.

I reread the thread from page 6.
Now PhD is looking neutral. His posts have been natural, and I could easily see him being town. slight FoS on Sakura, she has said some things that may be coming from a scum point of view, but not certain by any means. I'm not sure what to do now, I don't have any major reads and from my past experience here that is regarded as a scumtell...

This appears suspicious to me. Pazter seems to be using weaker arguments to jump onto my wagon, only to claim I was neutral when the wagon fell apart.

Also what's your opinion on a Patzer/ Sakura scum team?

I could see a possible Patzer/ Sakura scum team. There's been barely any interaction between the two, and pazter barely commented on Sakura in the first place, despite a wagon forming on her.

[PhDScar]

I could point quite a lot of people that didn't comment on my wagon, from that logic tho, Patzer could have been someone enjoying the show watching a Towny mislynch, but that's kinda doubtful too, otherwise he'd have hammered me. Unless he is throwing WIFOM?

Who could you point to? Everyone has made comment on your wagon. Except for Arcangel who hasen't been here for two days.

I also agree that him sitting back and watching a town mislynch instead of hammering is unlikely. But I don't get how that shows you are town this kind of action seems far more likely from scum partners.

[PhDScar]

Majiffy, I don't like how you are trying to start a wagon on me, without even making a case against me... you haven't said why you think I am scum? Maybe you should do that.

Don't go there. I already went through this. My advice pretend he isn't there and go scum hunting. Then when he makes his case bunker down and hope it doesn't get you lynched.

[PhDScar]

My reasons for voting him is that him and PhD seem to be tunneling on me as no matter what I do or explain they still see me as scum. But PhD is new so it's quite possible he's trying to go with the flow, while TMT already has experience so I believe he's more likely to be scum.

How is it tunneling when I put a case together to highlight someone else’s scum traits? I know that I made a post pointing out stuff to show how you guys might be working together but of course I would try to point how my to biggest scum picks could be working together.

[PhDScar]

I already dropped out the tunneling possibility why did you bring that back? Are you that desperate to find reasons to lynch me?

Sorry I was gone all day I just came back and read that post so I commented. I'm not trying to get you lynched I'm just saying I'm clearly not tunneling.

[PhDScar]

btw PhD I'm still awaiting answers to the question I answered earlier to everyone voting me, just posting this to remind you in case you missed it.

I'm too lazy to look. Can you ask the question again?

[PhDScar]

UNVOTE: Sakura

[PhDScar]

He hasn't discussed anything regarding meta, insofar as his reads, thus far.

He brought up Bo's meta.

On the subject of your scum win, I noticed a big similarity between this one and that one. There nobody suspected you of being scum and you were scum, here nobody has suspected you of being scum. This must mean you are scum.

Well it’s the only time he's done it and it seemed very jokey but he has done it.

[PhDScar]

He hasn't discussed anything regarding meta, insofar as his reads, thus far.

He brought up Bo's meta.

On the subject of your scum win, I noticed a big similarity between this one and that one. There nobody suspected you of being scum and you were scum, here nobody has suspected you of being scum. This must mean you are scum.

Well it’s the only time he's done it and it seemed very jokey but he has done it.

[PhDScar]

He brought up Bo's meta.

On the subject of your scum win, I noticed a big similarity between this one and that one. There nobody suspected you of being scum and you were scum, here nobody has suspected you of being scum. This must mean you are scum.

Well it’s the only time he's done it and it seemed very jokey but he has done it.

That is

seriously

stretching it.

That's true. It's also stretching saying that a reason he is scum is for not putting a case on someone based on past Meta.

[PhDScar]

UNVOTE: Sakura

Why are you unvoting me?

I don't like you being at L-1. I have no idea why Bo is so desperate to lynch you. I think you and Patzer are the scummiest people in the game but lynching you right now is just a bad move. We have so many players with little to no content.

On that note. WHERE THE HELL IS ARCANGEL! She appeared for a second mad on post about catching then disappeared again.

[PhDScar]

She appeared for a second *made *one post about catching *up then disappeared again.

[PhDScar]

Well i'm lost at the momment, so i'd like to ask a question to all people voting me. Is there at present, still any reason why you think I'm scum? and if so what is said reason?

^
That question

Thank you. I re-read that early conversation we had together and I realized you in fact were not contradicting yourself. Sorry.

[PhDScar]

If you think i'm one of the scummiest people then why arent you voting me, it shouldn't be relevant whether im at L-1 or not.

As I said many people have little to no content. So you being the scummiest out of much less people than I should be picking from makes me very uneasy lynching you.

[PhDScar]

@Freezing-hell

You're one of the people with little to no content. Are you going to post something or just keep lurking?

[PhDScar]

That's true. It's also stretching saying that a reason he is scum is for not putting a case on someone based on past Meta.

Not when they expressly state the reason they joined was so they could play with players they have meta on.

And I think you'll note that wasn't my

only

reason for why he's scum.

I know it's not the only reason. Also just because he stated knowing some Meta as a reason for him joining this game is not an obligation to build cases around it. He’s new of course he'd want to join a game with people he knows it will make him more comfortable. Also if he doesn't have scum suspicion on people he's played how is he supposed to use Meta?

[PhDScar]

Why are you ignoring the rest of my argument for why he's scum?

Because the rest of your read is meh to me. The Meta argument is the only thing i had a strong enough reaction that made me want to respond.

[PhDScar]

Why are you ignoring the rest of my argument for why he's scum?

He's also ignoring my question, seems like he's good at asking questions but not answering them.

You had scummy reaction to a wagon forming. Any interaction between you and TMT has made you look extremely scummy from your bad vote to your bad unvote. You ‘re tunneling me despite complaining about being tunneled. You use emotionally manipulative wording. You say I'm town read but you sure don't act like it. You seem to be pressuring me as a way to make the wagon fall apart.

[PhDScar]

@Patzer When Majiffy said "Yep" I think he might be referring to a case I made about you based on that post.

[PhDScar]

After re-reading patzer's post 133 (how did i miss it in the first place? X_X) yeah this kinda looks odd to me
VOTE: PhD
Maybe additional pressure will help

Additional pressure will help what exactly?

Telling you would spoil the fun

No i'm saying he's diverting attention to someone else who's been scumhunting by reaction testing rather than scumhunting himself.

These two both seem like very scummy reactions. The first one blows off a serious question as a joke the second is just not true.

I want to ask you something. Basically all of your posts since i voted have been questions made directly to me. Why? You are paying little to no attention to the rest of the game. I would understand if you thought I was scum and were trying to get me lynched but you're not apparently you think I'm town.

[PhDScar]

@Patzer When Majiffy said "Yep" I think he might be referring to a case I made about you based on that post.

Can you show me that case please, and say whether you still agree with it?

Here you go

I'd be willing to go for Patzer if you find yourself with a PhD town read. Seen some posts by him I didn't particularly enjoy.

Why do find Patzer suspicious? I too have a bad feeling about him but I doubt it's for the same reason, similar maybe but not the same.

On page six Patzer harassed me repeatedly over the issue of "lying". A fact I argued with him over for basically the entire page. In one of his more recent posts he did a completely unexplained 180 claiming I appear neutral on page six.

I reread the thread from page 6.
Now PhD is looking neutral. His posts have been natural, and I could easily see him being town. slight FoS on Sakura, she has said some things that may be coming from a scum point of view, but not certain by any means. I'm not sure what to do now, I don't have any major reads and from my past experience here that is regarded as a scumtell...

This appears suspicious to me. Pazter seems to be using weaker arguments to jump onto my wagon, only to claim I was neutral when the wagon fell apart.

Also what's your opinion on a Patzer/ Sakura scum team?

I could see a possible Patzer/ Sakura scum team. There's been barely any interaction between the two, and pazter barely commented on Sakura in the first place, despite a wagon forming on her.

I agree with it but that doesn't mean I think you're that scummy and I really don't agree with most Majiffy's post about you.

[PhDScar]

P-Edit: Now that you mentioned Patzer shifted towards Majiffy when you mentioned the possibility of him being scum team with me?

Not sure what that means.

[PhDScar]

Why are you ignoring the rest of my argument for why he's scum?

Because the rest of your read is meh to me. The Meta argument is the only thing i had a strong enough reaction that made me want to respond.

That was like one of the most mediocre asides in the whole thing. What the fuck. Stop making me want to lynch the everliving shit out of you.

@Patzer When Majiffy said .

.

[PhDScar]

Fuck. May have hit submit instead of preview.
Anyway all I wanted to say was how is pointing out a weak point in your case a reason to lynch me?

[PhDScar]

@Sakura: I'm voting PhD because he says in 201 that he only votes if he is 100% sure that person is scum. Yet he says you are "scum, no doubt" in 215, and didn't even vote for you.

As I have said in other posts I may have thought she was scum but I still didn't like her at L-1. We have a few people in this game with little content so I think it would be a mistake to lynch her right away. Also we are nowhere near the dead line so why rush?

[PhDScar]

VOTE: Sakura

Anyone with half a brain should be able to spot the scumslip.

Is it in the EBWOP or her reads? I'm catching up today and feel like I'm only using a third of my brain because I haven't spotted it yet.

Majiffy is talking about Sakura writing "you" and not "Patzer".

[PhDScar]

It's a guess; Majiffy made that post right after Sakura posted correcting her slip up.

[PhDScar]

Nah, because Sakura corrected it in 3 minutes and Majiffy posted 6 hours later. So it could also be in her reads post.

Tell me why, in your opinion, you think that could possibly be a scum slip.

I don't really see it I was just guessing. I thought if maybe it seemed like she was writing it for her scum partner and accidently spoke to them directly. I don't know I'm probably wrong. It would be awesome if Majiffy explained himself more.

[PhDScar]

Wait is Sakura at L-1?

[PhDScar]

Well I have said this a lot but I'll say it again. I would like more content from other players before deciding if we should lynch her. Also we are far from the dead line so it's not like we need to rush a lynch.

@People voting Sakura: Do you think we should lynch her?

[PhDScar]

I'm okay with a ArcAngel policy lynch if it has to come to it. She is really starting to annoy me at this point.

Also did she really just self lynch? Did that actually just happen?

[PhDScar]

I think you put her at L-1. So I'm almost 100% sure she is lynched.

[PhDScar]

This is my one fluff post. Are you guys just waiting for Arcangel to get prodded? Also would the scum mind PMing me why he killed me. You don't have to I just want to know the thought process behind it.

[PhDScar]

I have zero idea who the scum is. Hand to god. Also i have no idea how my post could give away the scum. Sorry

[PhDScar]

Funny how from day 3 on (even a bit of day2) it seemed like no shits were given.

[PhDScar]

I too would like tips.

[PhDScar]

Thanks Bo. It's going to probably take me a few games to stop doing all this stuff but I'll try.