Micro 174 The Half Baked Curse GAME OVER Mage School Win

[Aeris]

/confirm

[Aeris]

Inb4 another MM hydra :V

<3

I'll start signing when I make real posts... Maybe

as if you can't be distinguished from nero >_>

[Aeris]

What makes you think that?

the two of you don't exactly have playstyles that are so similar you'd be confusing. this post might be Nero, but i think it's probably mm. unless you're scum Nero will be pretty distinctive.

Inb4 another MM hydra :V

<3

I'll start signing when I make real posts... Maybe

as if you can't be distinguished from nero >_>

I lol'd @ this

whereas this is most likely Nero.

and with that...

VOTE: sugar cain

[Aeris]

tell me your main right now or I'm day vigging you.

ha! was I right? that was a joke.

even if there was a dayvig I wouldn't out my main. totally defeats the purpose.

[Aeris]

Minimal (messiah)

Slow down there, we only have one-shot, lets use it wisely though, I'm getting the vauge feel that I have played with you before... otherwise, how would you know my style?

~Sugar

oh how i love the fake day-vig thing.

we might have played together; i really don't know your style though. i'm somewhat familiar with nero's, but it was mostly a joke.

this game is lurky. Do something so I can out you, scum.

calm down there sparky. it's a weekend and mother's day weekend at that.

[Aeris]

I HONESTLY didn't know that empking was a part of this game ._.

Well this will be fun

Why did you feel the need to point this out and use honestly in all caps?

It's too early to lynch lurkers, though :/

it's

NEVER

to

late

early to lynch lurkers.

FTFY

[Aeris]

Nero what are you doing? D:

I don't like either LAL Theory, both suck. I don't like policy lynches period and I think bringing it up is stupid

i like you.

unvote

vote: thenewearth

dude sounds nervous.

[Aeris]

What? Just because of the empking statement?

Yep. Now it's staying on you because the only thing you've done is complain when a vote is laid on you.

[Aeris]

WAIT WHAT THE FUCK
Maestro has been posting on other threads literally right now
Everyone, vote for this sucker.

Why did you change your vote to Thenewearth for giggles when you had a good suspicion for Maestro right here?

[Aeris]

I don't have any clue what noeffenclue is seeing in Sugar Cain, but I think noeffenclue is town. Need to see more from Sugar Cain to determine their alignment.

[Aeris]

I don't have any clue what noeffenclue is seeing in Sugar Cain, but I think noeffenclue is town. Need to see more from Sugar Cain to determine their alignment.

We feel pretty damn confident about what we're seeing in their posts so far.

Roughly how much game experience do you have with Ms Marangal and Nero Cain? Can you usually get an accurate read one or both? Assuming you can answer that without compromising your main.

- f

Not really any with Ms. Marangal other than what I've read. A couple games with Nero. I think I can get an accurate read on Nero, and that neither of them has been posting is pretty disconcerting.

[Aeris]

You're out of RVS... I am not. There is absolutely no discussion going on. There is nothing to go on. So I don't see why you're so ecstatic about jumping on me.

Why aren't you out of rvs? there are things you can comment on. why aren't you?

[Aeris]

I'm just pointing out that he can't criticize me on that. He can't say oh you must do this if he himself is not doing it.
We haven't had major events to talk about.
How about everyone provides reads now?

how about you provide reads?

[Aeris]

No, but responses like that make me think that I'm right

~Sugar

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Where's Cain?

[Aeris]

I wasn't out of RVS because nothing was happening and no one was posting. I guess we're getting somewhere now. Maybe tne being scared is worth commenting on?
I don't have reads, again, because no one is posting. I can't formulate reads out of thin air.
PEdit: What theory have I fabricated? Misreading means I'm scum? I was unaware of this. You guys should tell me these kinds of things more often.

Everyone but maestro has posted. you don't have one town or scum read?

[Aeris]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tip

This guy is scum. Look at his reads list. I'm his top scum read. Where is his vote? Not on me, but on his second scum read who he said he was voting for giggles. You don't vote your scum read and then weaken it for giggles. Is he pressuring me at all? Not town play...sorry.

[Aeris]

I want to see neros response to the case before I say anything.

So, tip is a super newbie who might just not know how to play mafia. Not an insult by the way, just an observation. My reason for voting him might not be valid.

I'd happily lynch the maestro slot though. I don't trust this much thread avoidance.

UNVOTE:

I'll get back to this tomorrow.

[Aeris]

I do not find them scummy, I only find them not townie. And dunno, she's been fence-sitting the entire game,

Do you know what fence-sitting means? Going after someone immediately is not fence-sitting. Thinking you were scum because you made a scum post, but then realizing that you so mind numbingly new that you just might not know what you're doing at all, and therefore might not be scum is not fence-sitting. That's called actually trying to get a read on someone. Waiting to see someone's reaction to get a better read is not fence-sitting. So you might want to not use words when you don't know what they mean. Just a tip.

Oh and just so you know, giving a reads list and doing nothing else, is not actually scumhunting so you might want to stop tooting your own horn when you haven't been doing anything.

[Aeris]

Sugar Cain initially caught our eye because although they had made a fair number of posts compared to other players, we could see nothing in those posts that reflected a town motivation. Cain comes off almost trollish, and Mara looks uncomfortable to my eye. There is no effort to make this hydra look seamless, which is something I've noticed she takes pride in doing with other hydras, to the point where she gets angry about being addressed by her main name. And in post #57 Mara put down a vote on a pitifully easy lynch candidate, TIP.

from what I know of Nero, he tends to be rather aggressive and trollish when town. if he's not engaged and putting himself out there, he's less likely to be town.

Post #81 jumps to a conclusion about the reason for our vote, calling it a piggy-back Though a little more sophisticated than the garden variety, this post reeks of OMGUS.

OMGUS isn't a scum tell. What bothered me and I'll have to go back and check the argument is that he suspected you guys I think for piggy-backing, but didn't say anything when Empking followed me onto TNE.

Post #85 comes off...creepy. "I want to kill", not "I want to vote" or "I want to lynch". It's usually a scum mindset that phrases things this way IME.

This isn't an alignment tell. it's a personality tell.

Post #90 he reiterates the false reasoning about our vote decision.

We spar for a couple more posts, and then Cain disappears. And we hear nothing from Sugar Cain until nearly 48 hours later.

Post 129 is then made by Mara. The tone of this post is conciliatory. It comes off as a buddying effort to me, and I was the ostensible target, with maybe a little divide and conquer thrown in for good measure. And she moves their vote off us an back onto TIP.

I called Mara on her claim that I was playing to my town meta.

She came back with stuff about subtle meta, claiming that my "paranoia" was familiar from the polygamy game. And yes, I was paranoid in that game. I was playing with a bunch of people for the first time, and I didn't like the nightless game format. In this game, I am not a cloud of free floating paranoia. I am focused right now on one slot that first raised my suspicions, and then did not disappoint once the chase was up.

I'd have to check to see if Nero was posting on site during that time. I dont really know much about MM, but this is a fair assessment.

The rest of it is fine. Some of this are good arguments against Sugar Cain, but there are some holes. I did like how Nero responded to some of the case, but I hate that he hasn't been really aggressive this game and going after people. He should be having a field day with TIP and TNE and he's not. That worries me the most.

I think the case makes you guys more likely town, and their response and lack of engagement really on the meh side.

[Aeris]

Sugar Cain initially caught our eye because although they had made a fair number of posts compared to other players, we could see nothing in those posts that reflected a town motivation. Cain comes off almost trollish, and Mara looks uncomfortable to my eye. There is no effort to make this hydra look seamless, which is something I've noticed she takes pride in doing with other hydras, to the point where she gets angry about being addressed by her main name. And in post #57 Mara put down a vote on a pitifully easy lynch candidate, TIP.

from what I know of Nero, he tends to be rather aggressive and trollish when town. if he's not engaged and putting himself out there, he's less likely to be town.

Post #81 jumps to a conclusion about the reason for our vote, calling it a piggy-back Though a little more sophisticated than the garden variety, this post reeks of OMGUS.

OMGUS isn't a scum tell. What bothered me and I'll have to go back and check the argument is that he suspected you guys I think for piggy-backing, but didn't say anything when Empking followed me onto TNE.

Post #85 comes off...creepy. "I want to kill", not "I want to vote" or "I want to lynch". It's usually a scum mindset that phrases things this way IME.

This isn't an alignment tell. it's a personality tell.

Post #90 he reiterates the false reasoning about our vote decision.

We spar for a couple more posts, and then Cain disappears. And we hear nothing from Sugar Cain until nearly 48 hours later.

Post 129 is then made by Mara. The tone of this post is conciliatory. It comes off as a buddying effort to me, and I was the ostensible target, with maybe a little divide and conquer thrown in for good measure. And she moves their vote off us an back onto TIP.

I called Mara on her claim that I was playing to my town meta.

She came back with stuff about subtle meta, claiming that my "paranoia" was familiar from the polygamy game. And yes, I was paranoid in that game. I was playing with a bunch of people for the first time, and I didn't like the nightless game format. In this game, I am not a cloud of free floating paranoia. I am focused right now on one slot that first raised my suspicions, and then did not disappoint once the chase was up.

I'd have to check to see if Nero was posting on site during that time. I dont really know much about MM, but this is a fair assessment.

The rest of it is fine. Some of this are good arguments against Sugar Cain, but there are some holes. I did like how Nero responded to some of the case, but I hate that he hasn't been really aggressive this game and going after people. He should be having a field day with TIP and TNE and he's not. That worries me the most.

I think the case makes you guys more likely town, and their response and lack of engagement really on the meh side.

[Aeris]

Hmm...
This response is interesting.
It did seem to me that you were choosing your moments and being opportunistic to strike, but now I kinda see them coming from town. I am not doing anything else at the moment; people are catching up and barely posting. For example, you are not scum. So I now have new insight and I can look into other people.

Nah.

The thing with TNE was flimsy. I really don't like the "HONESTLY" part and it rubs me the wrong way, but I pushed it to see his reaction and others reactions. I don't like his reaction in that he just complained about votes on him and hasn't really done anything.

When someone makes a case on someone else, unless you have a solid read on the casee, it's good to not comment on it and let the person respond to the case. If you see holes in the case, that person is just going to emphasize those points you've already made, and if you're in doubt it's good to see what they say on their own. I was hoping Nero's reaction to the case would help me with my read, and it made me think for a second he's a little more likely to be town, but his not really doing a whole lot else is worrying me.

[Aeris]

Bb is town.

[Aeris]

He should be having a field day with TIP and TNE and he's not

Why should I? In my qt TNE was one of the 4 players that I listed as possible lynch candidates today. Mara claims this looks more like his town play then his scum play and I haven't researched him yet. On TIP, I don't even know what the case on him is. I've asked Mara to summarize it for me but you are anyone can do that for me.

They had plenty of cringeworthy scummy posts that I could see you poking at to determine their alignment. Do you usually need a case on someone in order to question them or poke at them? It's the lack of engagement that has me wondering bout you.

Why does MM call herself an aggressive player on her wiki page? She seems pretty passive.

[Aeris]

Bb is town.

Mehbeh. Why do you say this? I have my reasons, I want to see if we share some.

He just is. Can't really explain it. He seems engaged and he doesn't sound fake.

[Aeris]

Actually I just read something. Sugar Cain is probs town.

[Aeris]

Is there anyone else who kind of bothers you in their play?

Dr. Pepper and bb are town.
Nec and sugar Cain are probs town.
Have no clue about empking
Have no clue about ten but I hate his posts.
Have no clue about you but you seem to be getting into the game more.
Poe makes shana probs scum.

VOTE: shana

[Aeris]

TIP stop posting.

Its like you are asking to be lynched every time you post.

I dont think you are scum because you are always like this.

-i

Why stop now?
And how do you know my playstyle?

I've meta'd you. And we talk.

- f

damn it

- f

Why did you meta him? Who else did you meta? This seems off 'cause if you'd meta me you'd know that this was my town play.

This. This far more likely comes from town than scum, especially from people who prefer town and have significant playstyle differences when scum than town.

[Aeris]

Why is NEC prob town and what is your TIP read

The case and insistence that one of the heads is an awesome scum hunter reads townish. The case has flaws but it looks like they believe it. The way they're posting about them looks like they're trying to read them.

My tip reads is that he looks like scum. He's pretty much textbook scum. But he also looks new as shit, which could mean that he just has no clue what he's doing and is dropping scum tells that are really just newbie tells. So no real read yet.

[Aeris]

If he was newbie scum do you think he'd be playing differently

I have no clue. He might not seem so lost? He might be over aggressive in a weird way? He might have a better command of the game? He might have gotten some tips from his partner? I don't know.

[Aeris]

You seem lost. If you were part of the informed minority you might not be so lost. Newbies sometimes have an awkward approach to their scum game which results in weird aggressiveness. If you were scum and knew who town were you might have a better command of the game. Your partner might have given you some tips on what to do.

[Aeris]

I HAVE NO CLUE.

[Aeris]

Is there anyone else who kind of bothers you in their play?

Have no clue about you but you seem to be getting into the game more.

[Aeris]

Why is NEC prob town and what is your TIP read

My tip reads is that he looks like scum. He's pretty much textbook scum. But he also looks new as shit, which could mean that he just has no clue what he's doing and is dropping scum tells that are really just newbie tells. So no real read yet.

[Aeris]

If he was newbie scum do you think he'd be playing differently

I have no clue. He might not seem so lost? He might be over aggressive in a weird way? He might have a better command of the game? He might have gotten some tips from his partner? I don't know.

[Aeris]

So just say null. No need to be agressive.

If you ask me something that's been said more than once on one page, I'm going to get annoyed.

Why are you so interested in my read on you?

[Aeris]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tip

I just. I just can't.

[Aeris]

Shana: Let's say we lynch you and you flip Cop. That would look bad on me, of course. Likewise, if I am lynched and I flip Cop, it would look bad on you.

DP: How is that a slip?

NEC: You silly scum, trying to get the Cop lynched... again.
VOTE: NoEffenCllue

I can't take this. I just can't. This vote is hilariously bad and stupid. <-------- NOT an emotion by the way.

You claim cop. Shana cc's you. IF you are the cop, you know Shana is lying, and that should be the only vote you should be making. Voting anyone else at this point makes no sense. None. At. All. Not if you're really the cop. Even someone completely new at this should know that.

Right now I don't care if you're the cop. I really don't. You've become such a distraction and a diversion that you're impossible to read and they probably won't even kill you if you are. Lynching you no matter what you are is doing town a favor. And with you voting someone other than Shana right now makes it very likely you're not the cop.

[Aeris]

I don't even care if it was.

I'm pretty fed up.

[Aeris]

There is no reason for a VT to counter claim the cop. None. If you are the cop and you are being counterclaimed, that person is lying and for all you know scum. You don't wait for a case. To you Shana is a liar, and a liar who is counterclaiming the cop.

That's it.

[Aeris]

Probably because he's not the cop.

[Aeris]

Why would a VT counterclaim a cop? Seriously, if you do turn out to be the cop, do yourself and everyone else you play with in the future a favor. Spend some time in the newbie queue, and really read the games there and elsewhere. You're a detriment to any team you play on until you get a grasp of the game. Actually do this no matter what you turn out to be. And this is not an insult by the way, just some advice.

[Aeris]

He should be having a field day with TIP and TNE and he's not

Why should I? In my qt TNE was one of the 4 players that I listed as possible lynch candidates today. Mara claims this looks more like his town play then his scum play and I haven't researched him yet. On TIP, I don't even know what the case on him is. I've asked Mara to summarize it for me but you are anyone can do that for me.

Why were you ignoring tip and why did you need a case on him?

VOTE: sugar cain

[Aeris]

Shana, Aeris, what are your guys's thoughts on Molla, EMP and DP

Molla, why exactly did you have a town read on EMP?

VOTE: DP

My thoughts...read the thread.

What are

your

thoughts?

[Aeris]

That's funny because that doesn't actually answer the question. TiP was not a top lynch contender at that point.

I've never played at EM.

You placed some early suspicion on TiP, then had hydra-dissonance over him, which I find awfully convenient given your lack of actual engagement in the game. You have little flashes of towniness, but I'd have at least expected the Nero half of the hydra to be pretty aggressive and going after the wealth of scummy behaviors, but he wasn't. And the grand gem is when I said I'd expect for him to be going after TiP and he asked for the case on him. Since when does anyone need a case on someone to poke at them and try to get a read? They don't, at least Nero definitely doesn't. The lack of actual engagement in the game is pretty worrisome.

[Aeris]

I don't understand why being curious about people's thoughts on decisions that may affect this game at later stages, like LyLo, is stupid.

And who said that's why we were voting you?

I keep seeing you post elsewhere on the site but like half the players are ignoring this ame in favor of other. Our vots gonna sit on you tell I find something else to yell at.

What made you vote TiP here over the, as you said, half of the players ignoring this game in favor of the other?

Especially after this was pointed out:

Have Shana and Maestro forgotten about this game?

no, just scum lurking.

So, you call maestro and shana scum lurking, but keep your vote on TiP?

Why did you need a case to push on TiP for scummy behavior? I don't like the hydra dissonance, as it feels fake to garner a town feeling. Why would you need your own hydra partner to give you a case on TiP?

[Aeris]

I ask for cases all the time.

So you're saying you routinely sit on your hands asking for cases instead of poke at suspicious behavior to get a read on them?

Who do you think is scum right now? Why aren't you pushing anyone?

[Aeris]

Based on Dr. Pepper's reactions and comments after the TIP fakeclaim, I'd say unless he's a pretty good actor, he's town.

[Aeris]

Hey slimer. Read sugar cain's iso and then help me lynch them.

[Aeris]

Lack of engagement in the game, which for Nero is actually troublesome don't know about marangal.
Early distancing from tip.
"hydra dissonance" so they can still be seen calling tip suspicious but not vote him except early in game.
Nero needing a "case" to actually poke at tip and his scummy behavior even though his other head had a scum read on him.
His interaction with tip and shana during the claim fiasco.
His interaction with tip overall.

The fact that you're noting that they have no strong opinions is worrisome for Nero, in fact.

[Aeris]

Shana, Aeris, what are your guys's thoughts on Molla, EMP and DP

Molla, why exactly did you have a town read on EMP?

VOTE: DP

Also, this crap, which is pretty much the only unprompted post this day phase. No thoughts of their own, except a vote, but asking for thoughts, which at least on my end had already been given. Looks like looking to see which way they can go.

[Aeris]

Jesus,

I'm asking for thoughts because I'm trying to make a town block and get this to be a perfect game. I'm asking you guys for your thoughts specifically because, collectively, you three are our strongest town-reads. Shana is Obvious, and we both had a early strong town-vibe from Aries. TNE has been following his town Meta, and I don't see anything wrong with Slimer, In fact I like his entrance.

To say Nero didn't push anyone though is false, he was Pushing NEC, even when I stated that I had a town read on him and asked him to stop. He wasn't interested in TIP in the slightest, Especially after NEC Voted us. He viewed it as scum chainsaw'ing town

I also have DP, EMP, and Molla as my top three and Cain is pretty certain on DP scum so the vote was for him.

Molla is my top read though, but we are disagreeing with him ATM which is why I'm not pushing him

~Sugar

But I want to see your thoughts. You're my top scum read, and it's your thoughts I need to see.

Pushing the person who made a case on you isn't exactly the same. My problem is that Nero hasn't really been questioning anyone. There was some early aggressiveness, especially in the case of TIP which could easily have been some early distancing.

If Nero is so certain on DP scum, where is he pushing his big scum read? Why is Nero pretty certain on DP scum? He's only addressed him like two times.

Why is Molla your top read? And why is Nero disagreeing with you at the moment?

I want to see your work.

[Aeris]

Aeris do you have a townread on TNE/slimer

I don't have a scum read on him. I looked into TNE and he does know how to act like town when he's scum, and he does put forth effort to do that. Here he seemed like he just didn't really care about the game.

Mostly, I have a scum read on Sugar Cain, and as there's only one scum left, until they start doing something to make me doubt my scum read on them, I'm treating everyone else as possible town.

[Aeris]

Jesus Christ, people. You are members of an elite community. How can you degrade players in this manner? If you can't set aside a personal problem, this site is not for you. Do us all a favor and resolve your stupid mindset immediately.
This goes not only to Maestro's acquaintance, but to everyone else for future reference. I apologise if any feelings have been hurt, but remember that we are all a community, a family, and if you consistently attack a person, you should get out of here.

Do you mean this DP? Completely null. This could be how he actually thinks, so it's not alignment relevant.

[Aeris]

Bb is town.

Mehbeh. Why do you say this? I have my reasons, I want to see if we share some.

Thinking back though this is kind of meh. It's not necessarily incriminating as BB still doesn't seem fake to me.

[Aeris]

Wait, let me get this straight, you want to wait to give your thoughts until your TOWN READS share theirs? Um no sorry. You can hang.

And yes, it looks suspicious that when the heat actually started to rise on Tip you guys weren't interested anymore.

Your post did not answer my question about your scum read on doctor pepper.

And Nero has been active on site.

[Aeris]

And you know MM...IF you were the aggressive player you claim to be on your wiki, you wouldnt be acting like a wallflower right now.

IF you were trying to organize the town block you claim to be for the supposed perfect win, you wouldn't be asking your town reads thoughts and going lolololololol nope! When your town read asks for your thoughts, and when two of your town reads are voting for you.

IF you were aggressive and IF you were trying to coordinate a town block for the perfect win, you'd be discussing your reads and reasons with us. That would have been the first thing you did when I asked for your thoughts. It should have been the first thing you did period if you and Nero have really been discussing it. It would have definitely been it when I said I had a scum read on you and want to see your work concerning these people. You definitely would be forthcoming with the reasons

for the person your voting for

. Do you even realize that I posted a reason for why I think dp is more likely town? Why didn't you respond to that? IF you actually have a scum read on him why aren't you or Nero in here telling me why my reasoning is faulty?

I don't think you have any thoughts.

[Aeris]

I'm not acting like a wall-flower, yes I saw your post where you stated DP was likely town, I am mulling it over. I need Slimer's thoughts at the very least.

I'm not saying your reason on DP is faulty because I'm not exactly sure which reaction your talking about, his reactions had us lean scum on him.

and those things are what you would do, not what I would do. you have the outline of my reads

I'm going to respond to everything, once I get everything I need

Yes, I know it's what I would do because I'm town and I act like town.

How do you not understand I have a scum read of you? How do you not understand slimer is voting you and has a scum read of you?

If you are town, I need to see your thoughts as it will help me with my read on you.

I do not believe you have actual thoughts. I do not believe you have actual reads. I believe you want town to give you thoughts so that you can parrot and bounce off of. I believe you are trying to see what you can work with and manipulate because I think you're scum.

So, show me your thoughts or hang. What is your big case on Dr. Pepper? Tell Nero to get his ass in here and start being his normal aggressive and abrasive town self, if he's town.

Neither one of you are behaving in any way shape or form the way I've seen you in town games. And if this is some new attempt at a town playstyle, you should give it up.

[Aeris]

:/

Slimer, you had time to catch up to the game, where do you stand?

Slimer's voting you...duh...stop being annoying and answer questions directed to you.

[Aeris]

:/

Slimer, you had time to catch up to the game, where do you stand?

And you know what. Where do you come off refusing to answer questions until everyone else submits to your demands? GTFO and act like town if you are. Stop stalling and play the damn game.

[Aeris]

Yes, wanting my scum read to actually answer my questions, interact with me on what I've posted so far, and give me their thoughts so that I can get a better read on them is so idiotic of me. I was wondering why I walked around all the time with my pants on my head. Thank you so much for pointing it out.

[Aeris]

ugh. I'm sick of Mara telling me to post so when I get around to it I'll tell you why Aeris is an idjet and why we should be lynching DP today.

And can we puhlease flay the rotten sugar cane? Supposedly, Nero's told MM why he thinks DP is scum. Supposedly, they've had conversations about all their reads. However, they refuse to give them. And, this DP reasoning should take what two minutes? But, he can't be bothered to post it and will get around to it when he feels like it.

You both are trying my patience, which sucks, because I think you're both enjoyable players. You should change your name to Annoying Cain; if this is some special affect your adopting for this hydra, you shouldn't hydra anymore.

[Aeris]

You know how I play?

adgoih fbs

who are you?

TIP attacks practically everyone

but

DP and EMP, both EMP and DP had TIP as their RVS vote which Nero thinks is scum early distancing

Nero thinks DP's vote is weird and him saying "I'm sick of this shit" is fake emotion that he used to try and gain town cred from

He will be able to explain this better

I'll give my thoughts and reasons RE Molla when I hear something from Slimer

Was that so hard? I'm Aeris. And it's interesting that this game doesn't exist in a vacuum and I can read other games here.

Voting your partner in RVS is a rookie mistake. It's pretty stupid to do because people look at RVS for those very things. I don't know how to read Empking at all. I've read a couple games in which he was scum and he was a little more active and explained things more whereas the town games I read with him he occasionally pops in to give a vote or a comment about something. However, I'd like to think he wouldn't vote his partner in RVS.

Don't know about DP. Where are you getting that he doesn't attack DP? Pages 5,6, and 14 have TIP attacking DP along with other posts in between. He never gives a read on DP though but he sure does spend a lot of time arguing with him.

TIP, however, RVS votes Maestro/BB. Since he's so new he could be early distancing with a partner. He never gives a read on BB though, except for asking me for my reasons to town read him to see if they match up with his reasons for town reading him. Don't know what to think about this. BB still isn't come across as overly fake to me though.

He does right after he's lynched, say not to pressure you guys because you're not scum. Seems to be a sarcastic tone. I can see newbscum throwing this out as a last minute distancing as I've seen scum do this. I've had a scum partner do this to me once thinking "Oh they'll never think I'm your partner now".

Nero still needs to get in here and act like his aggressive town self though if you guys are town. And calling me an idiot isn't it.

[Aeris]

And I say again can we puhlease flay the rotten sugar Cain? Here is their play in recap: notice the majority of their play, especially on neros end has been to attack or discredit their attackers. There has been little actual scumhunting, and a bunch of wanting others to give thoughts but providing almost none of their own when they are supposedly trying to form a town block. And part of their big reason for TIP is definite scum? That tip didn't attack dp, when there are pages of them arguing. They're not even trying to make sense.

DP, BB, help me lynch them? If I'm wrong we can deal with it tomorrow, but I don't understand how they're town.

[Aeris]

You know, I'm trying to be patient with you because I happen to really like playing with you, but this post if these are your actual thoughts, is stupid. And I don't think you're a stupid person, so you are intentionally distorting things or misreading or whatever, but it's pretty transparent. Its sucks you drew a scum role pm. I like you when you're town.

I ask for cases all the time.

So you're saying you routinely sit on your hands asking for cases instead of poke at suspicious behavior to get a read on them?
Who do you think is scum right now? Why aren't you pushing anyone?

Way to ask a loaded question. Obviously you don't have much experience with me. I'm pretty vocal but when I'm being lazy or I flat out don't see it and want things explained to me then well I ask for a case 'cause you know I don't just randomly bandwagon like a ton of players on this site do.

We were voting DP. Why did you think we were voting him?

Last time I saw you be this lazy and unengaged in a game, you were scum. Do you realize you've spent more effort trying to discredit your attackers than actual scum hunting in the game? Would you say either your hydra head or you are actually engaged in this game?

Don't try to come back with a stupid retort as if I didn't realize you were voting do because your pushing him as scum. Why aren't you pushing him. You've given a flaccid vote with nothing to back it up. There's been no reasoning from you, no pushing from you to determine his alignment, no 'case' which you deem so important you couldn't even attack tip without it even as your hydra partner supposedly was wanting to.

And because I don't think you are a moron, I think you are intentionally refusing to get the point I was making. If you look at my post you quoted, i said "poke at to get a read on" i didnt say bandwagon. My point was not why you weren't voting tip. My point was why weren't you questioning him. You weren't really questioning anyone that didn't have the initials NEC.

If that was an honest reply, please please start reading what I actually say. I'm trying so hard not to be rude to you, but you are making it really hard.

My predecessor said nothing of suspicion to me at all.

This is a potential amished tell. Aeris should have picked up on that. See? I can do that too!!!!

This is stupid. You are not stupid. Stop acting like you are.

"hydra dissonance" so they can still be seen calling tip suspicious but

not vote him except early in game.

Nero needing a "case" to actually poke at tip and his scummy behavior even though his other head had a scum read on him.

This is some mad bullshit.

That's a lie 'cause we voted him once he was confirmed scum.
I didn't "need" a case, I asked what the case on him was to see if I agreed with it or not.

Oh you hammered him once he was confirmed scum. Well that changes everything. When I said I was surprised you weren't poking at tne or tip or the wealth of scummy behaviors here, you were like "dunno what the case on him is". My problem is that instead of interacting with people you were just all 'got a case'? Whistling Dixie. You should go back and reread your behavior around the lynch and the claim. Suggesting that we were dumbos for wanting to lynch him if he was town, etc looks scummy.

Hmm, when Maestro replaced out, what does everyone think of TIP's reaction? Is it indicative of him being Maestro/Molla's partner and him being worried that he was being replaced?

uh ooo. DP is asking a question but not giving his own thoughts.

This is beyond stupid. Have you been reading the thread? No really have you. Like this isn't a rhetorical question or anything, I just want to know what I'm dealing with here.

Shana, Aeris, what are your guys's thoughts on Molla, EMP and DP
Molla, why exactly did you have a town read on EMP?
VOTE: DP

Also, this crap, which is pretty much the only unprompted post this day phase.

No thoughts of their own

, except a vote,

but asking for thoughts

, which at least on my end had already been given. Looks like looking to see which way they can go.

dat selective scumhunting.

This is even stupider. No, seriously, my patience is pretty much gone. And I'm actually tot he point where I don't care if by some miracle youre town, I just want to sing while you swing. You're not actually reading he game. You're not anwering questions that you're supposed town reads are asking. You're only spending time distorting and discrediting your attackers. You're making insane "observations" and I have way too much respect for you as a player to think this is you as town.

You are trig to compare two things that, while somewhat similar, are not the same. Its like going aha you lied you do like apples, I just saw you eat that pineapple and say its delicious. You're not a moron, stop acting like it. DP asked a specific question. "what do you guys think about xyz". Your other head said "what are several peoples reads on these several people?". Lololololol I'm not going to give my thoughts until you do. Lalalalalala. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I don't have to. Never mind that my thoughts are in the thread as I've gone along. And then refused to answer the question I asked. If she would have said, "what do you guys think about emp and dp voting tip in rvs" I would have answered. Furthermore if you read the thread you'll see that dp gave a reads list yesterday, so he has actually given his thoughts.

It should have been the first thing you did period if you and Nero have really been discussing it

lemme ask you a question here. Yesterday NEC called us scum and then dragged their feet on explaining why. What's with the cong dis here?

There is no cognitive dissonance. You're trying to compare two different scenarios. Holding back your reasoning to see if anyone else sees what you see, especially on day one is a completely valid approach. There was no dragging their feet on explaining why. They were holding their cards close. They had a scum read on you and anted to see if others would see what they saw. When you're hoping to catch a partner by reactions or gain town reads from that, it's perfectly fine. You mischaracterizing it as dragging their feet is bad. You know exactly what they were doing. I could see the town intent in what they were doing.

I do not see the town intent in anything you're doing. And seriously, if you are town, please please for the love of all the is good and holy START ACTING LIKE IT. NEC was not trying to form a town block, supposedly you guys are. There is no partner left, so no partner reactions to look for. It's day two, not day one. MM claimed that you are certain DP is the last scum. Since you are so certain he is the LAST scum, and you are supposedly trying to make a perfect game and form a town block, logic would dictate that you would give a reason when you voted out of the gate for your for sure certain scum read. I mean we are now what 7 days in and you guys have just now begun to leave some bread crumbs, which is only because I've been screaming about it.

Like if you for serious think that's a cognitive disconnect then I don't know what to tell you.

So, why not everyone post their reads while it's so dead?

more selective scumhunting. Slimer is asking a question but not giving his reads.

This is stupid and an oversimplification. Don't be stupid.

Yes, wanting my scum read to actually answer my questions, interact with me on what I've posted so far, and give me their thoughts so that I can get a better read on them is so idiotic of me

The amount of selective scumhunting and cong dis gives that impression.

I'm sorry that either your poor reading comprehension skills or your role pm prevent you from looking at things correctly.

Voting your partner in RVS is a rookie mistake. It's pretty stupid to do because people look at RVS for those very things.

yet new scum still do it. You're using the exact same thing to incriminate BB but we/I are not allowed to think DP did the same thing to TIP? WTF DUDE?!?

Were you the one that told Maestro to replace out?

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okay now I'm just going to take pity on you because reading comprehension just must not be your thing. I never said you're not allowed to think anyone did it. I mean it says right there, it's a rookie mistake. The only person I said that I'd like to think it wouldn't apply to is empking. I'll help you out a bit, it's right there in the bit you cut out. Also, I know that it's sometimes a tad bit difficult to understand someone's meaning when they go to the effort of writing their thoughts down in black and white. But, I'll clue you in to something. Saying "I'd like to think that empking wouldn't vote his partner in rvs" doesn't translate, in any language, to you are not allowed to think dp did that. Hell it doesn't even translate to you are not allowed to think empking would do that. The simple translation is "I think that empking has a better scum game than to vote his partner in rvs.". I know that one was hard..sometimes you have to put it into google.

The other one might have been more difficult. In that part, that you cut off, I said "don't know about do". This one requires more patience from google translate, but it still doesn't translate to you are not allowed to think that about dp. It simply translates to "I don't know about do". Which means I don't know if dp would be the type to vote his partner in rvs. Shew that one was tough.

I also didn't "incriminate" bb for it. Your other head brought up the rvs votes. Logic dictates if you're going to look at who voted tip in rvs and say its possible distancing, that you also look at the confirmed scums rvs vote and see if it makes sense as early distancing. Which is what I did when your slot decided to finally answer a couple questions that your supposed town read, and potential member of said town block, asked. Questions I shouldnt have have had to scream to get a tiny breadcrumb for. This and more should have happened days ago, so there could be discussion, and if you were town I could get a better read on you. But I do find it funny that when you actually finally start discussing something you distort what was actually said.

Acknowledging that the new player tip might have voted his partner in rvs and pointing out something else which bugs me, but then saying "I don't find bb overly fake though" is not incriminating. I've already said I have a town read on bb and when asked I said its because he doesn't seem overly fake to me. It's part of having a discussion? I know it's a difficult concept to grasp, but it's kinda what you do in mafia to work out your reads.

Why would you in any universe think I told maestro to replace out? I like maestro. Bet I know who did though.

[Aeris]

Why did I wait long? Cause yesterday I was focused on getting TIP lynched.

I think this is one of those responding to the question but doesn't answer said question.

Day 2 started Sun May 26, 2013 2:22 am

You didn't vote EMP then

EMP posts Sun May 26, 2013 2:46 am

You don't vote EMP till Mon May 27, 2013 9:57 pm

What made you finally decide to "pressure" EMP?

Its funny how you talk about selective scumhunting, yet you've done nothing but the same, exemplified by your last post.

What am I accusing you of that others are doing?

I don't know what "questions" I missed but Aeris didn't answer any of mine so...

especially on neros end has been to attack or discredit their attackers

That's it!!! I didn't "trust" you or NEC. You two clowns are tunneling on me with a bunch of bullshit reasoning. You honestly don't see town motivation in town refuting bad arguments as to not get lynched? Do you believe that I as town should just lay down and die?

Calling people clowns or dumbos because they find you suspicious doesn't make you less suspicious. And you know what you can do with this? Shove it. I was probably the most critical one of NEC's case on you yesterday and pointed out where it had flaws. You went omgus from hell yesterday and did almost nothing else. Yes, I voted you today because I think your play has been suspicious. I've asked you questions to attempt to work out my read on you and both of you refuse to answer shit that's asked. You're only answering and coming around when it suits you, and that is scummy as hell, especially if you're actually trying to form some town block.

And I never said that you should lie down and die. IVE BEEN WANTING YOU TO PARITICIPATE AND ANSWER MY DAMN QUESTIONS FOR A WEEK NOW SO I CAN GET A BETTER READ ON YOU FOR A REASON.

And I said anything but. Nice that "but" there. It's the only thing you've been doing. You only come out of the woodwork when you are being attacked. Other than that you're in hiding and not doing anything.

[Aeris]

Its enticing but if they were scum, why would they kill NEC? For the argument they had earlier? Im inclinced to think that kills like these were more likely done to incriminate people as scum, so I am not sure yet.

*twitch*

[Aeris]

Shana, Aeris, what are your guys's thoughts on Molla, EMP and DP

Molla, why exactly did you have a town read on EMP?

VOTE: DP

My thoughts...read the thread.

What are

your

thoughts?

[Aeris]

I don't understand why being curious about people's thoughts on decisions that may affect this game at later stages, like LyLo, is stupid.

And who said that's why we were voting you?

I keep seeing you post elsewhere on the site but like half the players are ignoring this ame in favor of other. Our vots gonna sit on you tell I find something else to yell at.

What made you vote TiP here over the, as you said, half of the players ignoring this game in favor of the other?

Especially after this was pointed out:

Have Shana and Maestro forgotten about this game?

no, just scum lurking.

So, you call maestro and shana scum lurking, but keep your vote on TiP?

Why did you need a case to push on TiP for scummy behavior? I don't like the hydra dissonance, as it feels fake to garner a town feeling. Why would you need your own hydra partner to give you a case on TiP?

[Aeris]

Jesus,

I'm asking for thoughts because I'm trying to make a town block and get this to be a perfect game. I'm asking you guys for your thoughts specifically because, collectively, you three are our strongest town-reads. Shana is Obvious, and we both had a early strong town-vibe from Aries. TNE has been following his town Meta, and I don't see anything wrong with Slimer, In fact I like his entrance.

To say Nero didn't push anyone though is false, he was Pushing NEC, even when I stated that I had a town read on him and asked him to stop. He wasn't interested in TIP in the slightest, Especially after NEC Voted us. He viewed it as scum chainsaw'ing town

I also have DP, EMP, and Molla as my top three and Cain is pretty certain on DP scum so the vote was for him.

Molla is my top read though, but we are disagreeing with him ATM which is why I'm not pushing him

~Sugar

But I want to see your thoughts. You're my top scum read, and it's your thoughts I need to see.

Pushing the person who made a case on you isn't exactly the same. My problem is that Nero hasn't really been questioning anyone. There was some early aggressiveness, especially in the case of TIP which could easily have been some early distancing.

If Nero is so certain on DP scum, where is he pushing his big scum read? Why is Nero pretty certain on DP scum? He's only addressed him like two times.

Why is Molla your top read? And why is Nero disagreeing with you at the moment?

I want to see your work.

This one should be pretty clear, I'm not going oh out of my way to try to lynch you, but that I suspect you and am trying to get a read on you.

[Aeris]

What are your thoughts?

Already answered this. Why else would we be voting DP if we didn't think he was scum.

Why do you think he's scum? This should not be a fucking hard question to answer. Supposedly, you are for sure certain he is the last scum. You never responded to the stuff I posted last night in response to MM giving her reasons and you never expanded on that even though you said you would and she said you would.

Y'all are supposedly in disagreement about BB. What is your disagreement about BB?

Why did you need a case to push on TiP for scummy behavior?

again I didn't. *I* didn't understand the case on him. *I* don't do the whole "random bandwagon" thing and I'll only support a lynch if I agree with it

Stop acting fucking stupid. I swear to god I hope you're scum, because if you're town this means you're stupid ass responses are genuine and that means you're spending your time in between posting beating yourself stupid with a baseball bat.

I have more than once told you that I was asking why you weren't trying to lynch him. I asked why you weren't pushing him to get a read on him, especially if you're other head had a big scum read on him. This is not difficult to understand. I'm wondering why with all the scummy things he said, you ignored it. But please don't bother responding again. I'm about at the point to where I want to randomly beat my head against a wall because you are driving me insane.

Why would you need your own hydra partner to give you a case on TiP?

you actually think this is some kind of scum tell? Jesus Christ on a stick.

I think you can't say something stupider and then oh my god, look you do! I asked you a fucking question. A fucking question is not an accusation of a scum tell. Jesus Christ on a stick are you five?

A question, since for some reason you don't know what one is, is designed to help someone get an understanding or a better read on someone in a mafia game. A question is not an accusation of a scum tell. Do I need to Dr. Seuss it? I will.

Oh and for your other head and why her approach to the supposed town block idea is bunk is: Town have their best chances of winning in a mafia game when they figure out a way to work together. Your slot is actually refusing to work with the town they profess to want in a town block. Your slot does not have the universal town read status or site status to pull off the lalalalalala not gonna give my thoughts, everyone else go first. You actually are saying you want the uncc'd cop to go before you, no. When two members of your proposed town block are scum reading you, and ask you questions to get a better read on you, you don't alienate the town block you're trying to put together by refusing. It took a week to get the slightest of answer from you. That is ridiculous and completely anti-town, you might as well be scum because you're actually working for their benefit instead of town. When the people you want in a town block are suspecting your motivations, you have to figure out a way to put away your ego and work with them. And answering questions about your reads, and the supposed conversations you are having, should not be difficult to do. It seriously shouldn't. The cop has flaked, the people you are supposedly scum reading are barely or not at all posting, and you're helping the game stall by not actually interacting and discussing things with one of the few people who actually give a damn about this game. And instead you're other head is acting like a royal jackass.

[Aeris]

What are your thoughts?

Already answered this. Why else would we be voting DP if we didn't think he was scum.

Why do you think he's scum? This should not be a fucking hard question to answer. Supposedly, you are for sure certain he is the last scum. You never responded to the stuff I posted last night in response to MM giving her reasons and you never expanded on that even though you said you would and she said you would.

Y'all are supposedly in disagreement about BB. What is your disagreement about BB?

Why did you need a case to push on TiP for scummy behavior?

again I didn't. *I* didn't understand the case on him. *I* don't do the whole "random bandwagon" thing and I'll only support a lynch if I agree with it

Stop acting fucking stupid. I swear to god I hope you're scum, because if you're town this means you're stupid ass responses are genuine and that means you're spending your time in between posting beating yourself stupid with a baseball bat.

I have more than once told you that I was asking why you weren't trying to lynch him. I asked why you weren't pushing him to get a read on him, especially if you're other head had a big scum read on him. This is not difficult to understand. I'm wondering why with all the scummy things he said, you ignored it. But please don't bother responding again. I'm about at the point to where I want to randomly beat my head against a wall because you are driving me insane.

Why would you need your own hydra partner to give you a case on TiP?

you actually think this is some kind of scum tell? Jesus Christ on a stick.

I think you can't say something stupider and then oh my god, look you do! I asked you a fucking question. A fucking question is not an accusation of a scum tell. Jesus Christ on a stick are you five?

A question, since for some reason you don't know what one is, is designed to help someone get an understanding or a better read on someone in a mafia game. A question is not an accusation of a scum tell. Do I need to Dr. Seuss it? I will.

Oh and for your other head and why her approach to the supposed town block idea is bunk is: Town have their best chances of winning in a mafia game when they figure out a way to work together. Your slot is actually refusing to work with the town they profess to want in a town block. Your slot does not have the universal town read status or site status to pull off the lalalalalala not gonna give my thoughts, everyone else go first. You actually are saying you want the uncc'd cop to go before you, no. When two members of your proposed town block are scum reading you, and ask you questions to get a better read on you, you don't alienate the town block you're trying to put together by refusing. It took a week to get the slightest of answer from you. That is ridiculous and completely anti-town, you might as well be scum because you're actually working for their benefit instead of town. When the people you want in a town block are suspecting your motivations, you have to figure out a way to put away your ego and work with them. And answering questions about your reads, and the supposed conversations you are having, should not be difficult to do. It seriously shouldn't. The cop has flaked, the people you are supposedly scum reading are barely or not at all posting, and you're helping the game stall by not actually interacting and discussing things with one of the few people who actually give a damn about this game. And instead you're other head is acting like a royal jackass.

[Aeris]

. Why aren't you pushing him. You've given a flaccid vote with nothing to back it up. There's been no reasoning from you, no pushing from you to determine his alignment, no 'case' which you deem so important you couldn't even attack tip without it even as your hydra partner supposedly was wanting to.

You know darn well that I haven't been posting in this thread. Its fed up with stupid for you to blast me for not posting and then blast me for not pushing the DP case. Catch 22 much?

Oh. My. God. It gets dumber and dumber. How dare you accuse me of not pushing a DP case when you're also accusing me of not posting in the thread.

Fucking DUH. You're not posting in the thread. That's a problem. You should be posting in the thread and pushing your DP case. The problem is the only reason you are actually posting in this thread is because I've been complaining that you're not.

Oh you hammered him once he was confirmed scum.

Why are you lying here? It was DP that hammered not us.

Sorry. You hammered. DP was an extra vote.

Suggesting that we were dumbos for wanting to lynch him if he was town, etc looks scummy.

Are you referring to the post where DP told TIP that it was his fault that he was getting bandwagoned? It is NEVER solely the lynchee's fault for getting wagoned. If it was then there'd never be any town mislynches 'cause no town in their right mind would lynch themselves. (and yes I know that TIP flipped scum but I'm speaking in general.)

I'm talking about in the middle of the claim fiasco, your whole demeanor and interaction looked suspect. Then you pulled out the "what about the dumbos who wanted to lynch him if town". That looked suspect to me, especially now that he flipped scum.

Again, in 428 Mara asked you and Shana about specific players. Players ask other players for reads all the time so I don’t see your point here.

And then refused to answer questions about her reads that you supposedly had discussed. Supposedly you guys have discussed BB and are disagreeing on him. Supposedly, you guys have discussed DP and are for sure certain that he's the last scum. But, when I ask for elaboration or thoughts, it's lololololololnope.

Not sure why you are discussing EMP.

Are you reading the thread? You're clearly not. Last night your other head finally decided to share a couple tiny little thoughts and brought up the rvs votes against TIP that both DP and EMP made and said that you both think it could be early distancing. That's why I was discussing EMP, which you would know if you bothered reading the thread.

I also didn't "incriminate" bb for it

‘cause this sure as hell looks like you speculating on Molla scum.

TIP, however, RVS votes Maestro/BB. Since he's so new he could be early distancing with a partner. He never gives a read on BB though, except for asking me for my reasons to town read him to see if they match up with his reasons for town reading him. Don't know what to think about this. BB still isn't come across as overly fake to me though.

Cute. This is like newbie level dumb. You are not dumb. Stop acting like it. If you would bother reading the thread. You would know that your other head said that EMP and DP's RVS vote look like early distancing. As part of my discussion with your other head concerning the RVS votes, I looked at the confirmed scum's RVS vote and looked at whether or not it could be applied as early distancing. And decided that though I don't know what to think about TIP's behavior, BB's behavior hasn't caused me any concern.

Do I need to tell this to you Dr. Seuss style? Because I will.

Why would you in any universe think I told maestro to replace out? I like maestro. Bet I know who did though.

Why do you think its so silly to ask you this? I mean this comes off as over defensive . Why not just say “no Nero, I never said this.” We know that someone did so who was it?

It is defensive because I find it insulting. I can't believe that you or anyone would actually accuse me of harassing another player and telling them to replace out of a game. And I find your motivations for even asking me that offensive.

[quote="nero"
Instead of badgering Mara, why didn’t you just ask for a DP case?

This looks to me like me asking for your reasons on DP.

But I want to see your thoughts. You're my top scum read, and it's your thoughts I need to see.

Pushing the person who made a case on you isn't exactly the same. My problem is that Nero hasn't really been questioning anyone. There was some early aggressiveness, especially in the case of TIP which could easily have been some early distancing.

If Nero is so certain on DP scum, where is he pushing his big scum read?

Why is Nero pretty certain on DP scum? He's only addressed him like two times.

Why is Molla your top read? And why is Nero disagreeing with you at the moment?

I want to see your work.

[Aeris]

Ugh the quote tags messed up for that last half. Should look like this.

I also didn't "incriminate" bb for it

‘cause this sure as hell looks like you speculating on Molla scum.

TIP, however, RVS votes Maestro/BB. Since he's so new he could be early distancing with a partner. He never gives a read on BB though, except for asking me for my reasons to town read him to see if they match up with his reasons for town reading him. Don't know what to think about this. BB still isn't come across as overly fake to me though.

Cute. This is like newbie level dumb. You are not dumb. Stop acting like it. If you would bother reading the thread. You would know that your other head said that EMP and DP's RVS vote look like early distancing. As part of my discussion with your other head concerning the RVS votes, I looked at the confirmed scum's RVS vote and looked at whether or not it could be applied as early distancing. And decided that though I don't know what to think about TIP's behavior, BB's behavior hasn't caused me any concern.

Do I need to tell this to you Dr. Seuss style? Because I will.

Why would you in any universe think I told maestro to replace out? I like maestro. Bet I know who did though.

Why do you think its so silly to ask you this? I mean this comes off as over defensive . Why not just say “no Nero, I never said this.” We know that someone did so who was it?

It is defensive because I find it insulting. I can't believe that you or anyone would actually accuse me of harassing another player and telling them to replace out of a game. And I find your motivations for even asking me that offensive.

Instead of badgering Mara, why didn’t you just ask for a DP case?

This looks to me like me asking for your reasons on DP.

But I want to see your thoughts. You're my top scum read, and it's your thoughts I need to see.

Pushing the person who made a case on you isn't exactly the same. My problem is that Nero hasn't really been questioning anyone. There was some early aggressiveness, especially in the case of TIP which could easily have been some early distancing.

If Nero is so certain on DP scum, where is he pushing his big scum read?

Why is Nero pretty certain on DP scum? He's only addressed him like two times.

Why is Molla your top read? And why is Nero disagreeing with you at the moment?

I want to see your work.

[/quote]

[Aeris]

The fact that you apparently aren't reading the thread. Don't have a clue why I mentioned EMP even though it was your other head who brought EMP up in the first place in which you supposedly have said to her looks like early distancing is pretty worrisome Nero. If you and your other head are actually talking, why don't you know that? And why don't you know why I brought up BB in regards to the RVS votes in the first place?

This just looks like you aren't reading this thread, nor are you actually communicating with your other head for reads.

Even if you're not mafia this game, you're scum, but I just can't see how you're town.

Oh and hey guess what? You've yet to provide the DP case.

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My bad. You weren't the hammer. DP had unvoted in the middle of the claim thing. Still doesn't matter the point is you only voted him when he was confirmed scum.

I think it's really cute that you keep trying to hammer something insignificant like that as something important. You're like "uh-uh we did vote him once he was confirmed scum so you're lying that we only voted him early in the game when there wasn't a wagon." The fact that you only voted him when he was confirmed scum doesn't make you look town. And it doesn't matter a lick to this game whether or not I got the placement wrong on when you voted, whether you voted him before or were the hammer. That you are trying to paint either as my "lying" is pretty worrisome, town doesn't need to pick up on tiny little things like that, in which the placement does not matter.

The point is to me it looks like early distancing, in which you pushed him early on for not posting here while you were posting elsewhere. (Oh and you know what's cute and funny, that you're getting pissy with me for wondering why you're posting elsewhere but not here.) Then when he was behaving scummy, and your other head supposedly scum read him big time, you weren't interested. It looks like using hydra dissonance to avoid going after a scum buddy. Then you only voted him again when he was confirmed scum.

Can you see, how to an outside observer, this looks suspicious? Because if you can't, I don't know what to tell you.

[Aeris]

About to crash and putting this here as a reminder to myself. Was thinking about this game while running earlier and need to check back on something with bb.

[Aeris]

I'm home

What the fuck was with that lynch

VOTE: Slimer

Why do you have a scum read on slimer?

I need to reread the game which will not happen for a couple day most likely.

[Aeris]

So, uh, BB, you gonna actually come in here and answer why you have a scum read on slimer?

Empking feel free to share your reason too if you can spare a word or two.

Both of you have been on site, both of you have been posting, there's no reason for you to not answer.

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Any particular reason you think he's town?

I'm taking into account mm's meta town read on tne. And looking at tnes games he does know how to look more town as scum. He also replaced out of several games when he replaced out of here, but not out of a scum game he recently flipped in. Makes me think he likes being scum more and is less likely to replace out. I've seen slimer act like this replacing in as town before and I'm not sure about your amished tell.

I'm concerned that you were doing that oppose the popular lynch as scum thing yesterday to.

I need to reread the thread though and look at how tip interacted with people, which won't happen for a couple days.

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Aieris certainly has a town sense about her. She was trying extremely hard to get SC lynched. For that I can say it was her mistake, not on purpose. I do find the fact that she has no remorse for that super drill she did back there. Still a town read on her.

I don't feel any remorse. They had plenty of time to interact with me so that I could evaluate them and potentially work together, and instead they refused and then Nero was all Bleh. I was starting to doubt myself there at the end when they started talking and Nero calmed down and I feel like I would have gotten it right as we talked more. I was starting to think about other people, which is why I mentioned needing to check on something with bb, which I still need to do, and do feel bad that I didn't unvote then but I didn't think mike would hammer when he said it felt like a mislynch.

[Aeris]

Mike help

I can't really explain it, but this felt townish to me.

[Aeris]

...I'm capable of deducing that, yes. Something about it still felt townish.

[Aeris]

Prod dodge. I won't have time to read through what I want to before Wednesday or Thursday.

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Weird gut feel, I feel like its Aeris. Only giving that massive amount of interaction when TIP was lynched. That whole read list of TIP where he lists Aeris at the top, seems like bussing. I am really not trusting my gut right now, but it seems weird.

How does that seem like bussing?

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Aeris - I do have some suspicion that she wanted the policy lynch to get massive towncred, but I town read her at this point and I dont think its the case

People don't policy lynch for town cred, because there's none available. If I wanted town cred, when I gave the reasons why he was scum and voted him, I'd have pushed that for all it's worth. I wouldn't have backed off because I thought he was so new he didn't know any better only to vote him for policy later.

I would like you to focus though because I'm taking into account SC's reads, and though my own thoughts are that you are town, they thought you were scum. You not having at least one person you feel is more likely town is worrying me.

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So, my IIoA post concerning TIP's posts didn't post. Awesome.

Basically, he called out everyone. But he didn't much call out BB once he replaced in but wanted to know why I was town reading him. He didn't put BB or Dr. Pep on either of his reads lists, but he argued with DP a lot. My only problem with TNE/Slimer is that he voted that slot "for giggles" and had him as a second scum read behind me but didn't vote me. Other than that, I'm taking MM's meta read on that slot into consideration.

As far as empking goes, his playstyle is so awful, you wouldn't know what his alignment is, but I'd like to think he'd try a little bit more as scum. But his "BB town mind's think alike" I'll vote with you and suck your fins, makes it really hard to distinguish his alignment. Basically, I can see this being his play as scum and town.

TNE does look more like town when he's scum, which makes me doubt his being scum aligned here. BB's attempt to call slimer's post an amished tell is bad.

BB looks fake in the way that he wouldn't vote SC yesterday and is not doing anything today. I'd have expected him to go along with a case if he got his way the next day, and he didn't. It looks like him being fake in his reads and refusing to go for the popular lynch, which I know he does as scum, and going for the next easiest thing.

Dr. Pepper - still think he's town. However his leaving everyone open to suspicion does have me worried.

I'll have more tomorrow.

[Aeris]

Okay here's the thing with Empking, I tend to get frustrated at the little speaking types because it's near impossible to determine their alignment, but a couple things make me think he's town. I do think he'd put in a little more effort to try to look more town as scum, only because his playstyle can only take him so far. He can go pretty unnoticed until LyLo, but there he would look suspicious. I think he'd try to avoid that. Also, I'd like to think that he wouldn't vote his partner in RVS. This is wifomish territory, but a good number of people look at that for links, and I think that when partnered with newbscum, he would have to believe he's probably the one that would make it to LyLo and this kind of connection could cost him.

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Slyther, are you voting him because he's your scum read or because you dont want him in lylo?

Why does it worry you Aeris? That I dont trust anyone as town? Imo, everyone here has earned my suspicion

Because you have left yourself open to just vote anyone depending on how it goes. Scum don't like to paint themselves into a corner with too many town reads sometimes because then they're left without options. You've left yourself open to every option.

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Well there's not a whole lot I can do about paranoia. I know that if I were going to try for town cred, I'd do it in a way that would actually get me town cred, but there's no way I can prove that.

If you're not scum, let's just try to get it right today so we dont have to worry about paranoia getting the best of us in lylo if we're both there.

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BB - If you ever come back, can you tell me why TNE/Slimer didn't feel carefree? If that's one of your markers for town reading people.

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I'm thinking about hammering BB anyway.

I was thinking about this game this morning, and the only thing that really makes me doubt BB being scum is the NEC death. He seemed to suspect NEC and was trying to draw connections between TIP and NEC. This actually makes me suspicious of BB because scum often like to try to tie their partners with innocents. But then NEC died. I was leaning town on BB because he didn't sound too fake and because he saw the same thing I did in TIP - that he might be a VI and not scum. However, I had already made that observation so I can't give that to him. Also his questions to me about my TIP read read eh. And then TIP's interest in my BB read but really no interest in my other reads is eh. His push on TNE/slimer is pretty bad. He claimed in his second post to have pretty solid townreads on everyone, which would imply TNE/Slimer. And he never inquired as to why SC had a town read on TNE/Slimer even though he was town reading them. His argument that he looks suspicious for checking to see how many votes were on him when slimer checked in is lame as is the possible amished tell. He didn't really do anything to try to save SC but then came back with a "what was up with that lynch?" but I've seen BB do this before as town so meh.

I think that Slimer's "don't let BB and Empking go into LyLo together" sounds townish. My big problem there is mostly the lack of anything and TIP voting TNE for giggles.

Still lean towards thinking that Dr. Pepper is innocent based on the interaction with TIP day one.

And I've talked about Empking already.

So yeah, I'm leaning towards BB.

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*BB did ask me if I had a town read on TNE but didn't follow up with that.

[Aeris]

I think that Slimer's "don't let BB and Empking go into LyLo together" sounds townish.

Any alignment could say that.

Any alignment could say anything.

I'll get back to this game tomorrow.

[Aeris]

That has got to be the worst catch up I have ever seen, complete with pretending not to actually know who was dead beforehand or who his own slot is.

Yeah...no.

VOTE: andrius

[Aeris]

Wait are you saying you were evil and this is done?

[Aeris]

YES!!!

Thanks for running the game and you all were fun to play with.

Was there a dead qt?

And no, I'm not LLD Nero.