Micro 174 The Half Baked Curse GAME OVER Mage School Win

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Exactly how many MM hydras are there? Also will you sign your posts?

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Actor - TAM, Cain - Nero. Who are the rest?

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VOTE: TheIrishPope

For being the last to /in this game.

Day 1 is a go!

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BTW DP:

Spoiler: My avatar is Primrea. Our own osu! country mascot.

I has no idea we had this, this is so cool!

[DoctorPepper]

Okay, uhm Lynch all Liars > Lynch all Lurkers. Town has very little incentive to lie

[DoctorPepper]

Umm... I don't get it.
Serious answer: I don't understand why being curious about people's thoughts on decisions that may affect this game at later stages, like LyLo, is stupid.

I dont see any problem with TNE being excited with Empking playing. I dont get the reactions (or lack thereof) from TNE. But I dont think its scummy, at least not now.

Have Shana and Maestro forgotten about this game?

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Well there are barely any important things to actually comment on here, barely anything is happening

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1. I dont see why NEC voted for sugarcain but I dont like Sugar's OMGUS to it.

2. I also dont like the bandwagon on thenewearth. So theres excitement over empking, that deserves a vote? I dont necessarily think the wagon is scum driven (Empking barely spoke, Aeris first impression is town but I will ISO him later) I really dont like Pope's vote and explanation (or lack thereof)

VOTE: TIP
What kind of explanation is "I voted for shits and giggles" when we are out of RVS?

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Is this a way to spark the discussion you are clamoring for?? Why dont you do something constructive. Votes on thenewearth, the two hydra's voting? Those arent events?

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Shana, that was RVS?

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You dont have reads yet you want everyone to give out theirs? Logic right there ladies and gentlemen

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Not really. But asking reads from everyone else while not giving your own, is kinda sketchy. Not to mention asking for everyone to contribute while still claiming to be in RVS, if you want something to happen, then take initiative and dont wait for everyone else around here to do it for you.

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I have limited reads, will ISO everyone probably later tonight.
You being so concerned with how your actions will be perceived is bad town at best and scummy at worst.

Yep, this is leading to nowhere.

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I dont think its impossible for scum to attack you SC, I do think its weird that you think they are scum for just voting you

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There are so many things so wrong with that read list by TIP. So you say there are four people active right now, and you give reads for 5, with no explanations for said reads, no previous suspicion of any of your so called scum reads, prob town reads for a player who barely posted (Shana) and no reads for me, who hasnt been very active but a bit more active than Shana and a bit less active than your top scum read. Then you vote your middle read, with no explanation. Then you say "things change honey" like 2 posts later? What? And youve been clamoring for everyone to give you reads, never give your own and when you do, its like a random mish mash of reads without rhyme or reason.

Yeah, I do agree with ffery that there scum usually have radars that make them avoid such posts, however I dont believe that its impossible for a player that is incredibly scummy to actually be scum. Yes this is too blatant, can it be scum? Possibly. Is it helpful to town? Hell no.

After rereading the game thread, I have 2 scum reads, the rest are either town or null and I will sort them out later on.
Scum reads: TIP - for reasons I've stated tons of times
TNE - I am bothered by how TNE posts. Like when TNE posts, its barely anything that would contribute to the game. Take 56, 61, 66, 101, are just posts addressed at the votes, like there was an overly concerned about being voted vibe. Its as if most of the posts are actually just about how much of a bad idea it is to vote her. Yeah, barely anything constructive, except maybe the fact that she doesnt think its SVS because "Its too early to bus" whoch isnt always the case and is WIFOM.

Empking and Maestro barely posted, hope they will be able to contribute more. Though I dont like empking's early posts. Thereasons for voting bug me. "Wrong signature?" Yeah, I feel like his posts arent constructive at all.

Dunno what to think of the hydra fight, leaning towards TvT by virtue of existing scum reads, will need to read more about this.
Aeris and Shana give me town vibes as well, Shana is more null leaning town. Yeah all my 4 town reads actually give efforts to scum hunt, thats how I read them. Will try to understand the conflict between NoEff and SC.

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So both SugarCain cant take a stance on NEC cause of hydra disagreements. Look, im confused as one f you says its TvT, and the other is convinced NEC is scum. Can you both just talk it over and take one stance? The tunneling/defending is confusing

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Bb reads town to me. Empking is still a huge blank slate.

I dont see whats wrong with Shana though, the early posts werent exactly spectaclar but they werent scummy imo. He has been barely posting, but thats about it.

NEC, I missed this one, why do you only think the only town motivated posts from SC are the ones saying you are town? Reverse OMGUS much?

SC, how can you say NEC perpetrating a chainsaw defense on TIP is scummy, when a) there has been no flip thus rendering the chainsaw defense tell inconsistent b) TIP hasnt exactly been defending NEC all that much

Keeping my vote on TIP, but I'm willing to shift to TNE if he doesnt post productively.

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Shana's 213 was at least some effort to scum hunt, i have gotten nothing from TNE

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Why cant scum act like VINto avoid suspicion?

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I like how TIP says Aeris is scum first, then goes for Empking out of nowhere, as well as suspecting both NEC and SC, without saying why.

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To support your scum reads on both SC and NEC, TIP, do you think they are bussing?

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DoctorPepper, you have no right to talk until you actually contribute to this game.
I always was suspicious of these hydrae. I even said that their skirmish might have been SvS, but nooo, you have to come in without reading anything and fuck up the game. Learn to read, and then we can take you seriously.
Empking hasn't done shit this game. You really want me to believe he's Town?

This is offensive. I haven't done anything in this game? So I have no right to talk? So I havent given reads with explanations (unlike you who just suddenly noticed Empking wasnt doing anything constructive even if I pointed it out before)? Wow pope, how fucking stupid.

You know, I may have not posted much, but I just asked if you think thats the case. You said before "It could be TvT and SvS" and I just cnfirmed if you really thought it was SvS.

You can take me seriously? We cant even fucking take you seriously! Look at all the shit you post. Look at your "everyone gives me reads" post, after you havent given your reads. Then you give random ass reads out of nowhere, with Aeris at the top with no previous suspicion, a vote for TNE "for shits and giggles" and various other useless peices of shit. Before you accuse someone of not actually contributing, ask yourself "Have I been helpful to town?" cause youre posting has done zilch to help this town.

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Nice of you to avoid the accusations, how the hell was that AtE?

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Oh dear God, NEC has been talking about a policy lynch for ages, a PL I am willing to support.

Yeah, that wasnt AtE, that was "I cant belive how supid youre acting"

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Wait wait,what??? Stupidity is an emotion? Since when?
Also, by saying that, are you willing to admit what you have been doing was stupid?

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Simple Wikipedia? Really? >_>
He fears his own lynch. He deflects this fear on me.
He is angry that I am right and he is wrong.
He is sad he can't come up with anymore arguments.
He is happy you are supporting and encouraging.
He is disgusted at the sight of me, so much that he replaced out of a game because of me.
He trusts you.
I don't.
He anticipates my lynch. It wil not happen.
He is surprised that I am winning and he is losing.
What a poor little thing.

What kind of an egomaniac are you?
You are right? How? You are so deluded into this fantasy of you being correct where your play is indicative of otherwise.
I think I have come up with lots of arguments against you but you could just be really really shitty town.
How exactly is this "stupidity is an emption?" its not, stupid.
I didnt replace out because of you (and we arent supposed to talk about on going games, hows that for breaking site rules)
You are winning and I am losing? What exactly makes you so sure of us being in different alignments? So youre sure I'm scum and youre town, maybe its the other way around.
Lol, and I'm the poor little thing. I'm about to be lynched when only RVS votes are on me?
Mn, do you even think? I cant even...
Policy lynch or force replace. Im fine with either. What ever the fuck you are you havent been helpful AT ALL

[DoctorPepper]

Okay, sorry Rach, will try to tone it down now

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Why does his claim seem important? TIP claiming cop means that he will be most likely targeted n2, since doc can protect him n1, which in turn he'll still not be able to use his power.
VOTE: TIP

L-1

Thank you for pointing that out. Yes, if you really were the cop, revealing yourself now was bad. And if you really were cop, you fucked up bad.

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UNVOTE

On the off chance that he really is cop, someone might quickhammer

You really think counterclaiming is such a good idea at this point? What if he's just scum trying to out the real cop?

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Wait, what? If guys really think Shana was the cop, why reveal it and hope nobody catches on? I assure you, people in this game are not oblivious, they will catch on

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Look, if someone counter claims, it would just be bad for them both ways. If they were scum cc-ing, they would be lynched. If they were the real cop, then the scum claim worked, they lured them, they have been caught and they will be killed if they really claimed. See, counter claiming will be counter productive. So Im not ruling out the possibility of either

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No they have one reason not to, and I've explained that. If they really were the cop, then TiP just lured him into the trap of revealing himself, and they would die. I would just feel comfortable after a flip

Ugh, that revealing yourself now part was directed at TiP and not shana

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Well thats why I unvoted, I'll entertain all possibilities

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Well SC, one of the things about being cop is "Dont claim cop D1", so if youre play was bad enough to get all this suspicion, yes he messed up bad (Re-clarification: Second sentence onwards was directed at TIP). So we have 2 cop claims, we should lynch between them, and lynch the other one if we accidentally lynch the real cop.

Shana, by counter claiming cop, you ensure your lynch if youre Scum or youre death if you really were the cop. This is why I didnt think a counter claim was necessary, scum could just claim cop to lure the real one. Though, TiP's statement of a role name, seems kinda legit

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I dont know? Stop saying stupid shit like "stupidity is an emotion"? Stop being so concerned about yourself and ask "why me?"? Stop being so unhelpful to town? Those could have helped

[DoctorPepper]

I have no idea. That's why I ask: why would a VT cc me?
If your lynch pushed through, I would get lynched as well.

Wait? What?! Slip much?

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There was no town motivation in that post.

If Shana was scum and you led the lynch? We would kynch you because? You bussed? Why would 2 scum claim cop?
If Shana was cop, of course we'd lynch you.
If Shana was just VT, why would we lynch ou?

Its a slip because you basically said "Hey im forcing a lynch of you, but I know what you will flip, and theyll lynch me later when thy find out"

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NEC - use the hydra.

SC - sign your posts

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Uhm that wasnt a hammer, me and BB unvoted. Though I am declaring intent to. SC, was it dumb to push him? He was acting so scummy/stupidly/anti town

Where did I imply he was town?

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VOTE: TheIrishPope

Im sick of this shit.

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Wth? Its absurd btw. How was it absurd? I was just pointing out how cc-ing screws the real cop if TIP was scum. Also TIP, if you were really the cop, good fucking job to you bro. I am serious, well done. We werent making reasons, you literally slipped all over the place

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Yeah we should discuss before Rach or NS closes this. If TIP is cop, we lynch Shana. Why is TIP defending Shana btw? I dont get it?

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Why would a VT counterclaim a cop? Seriously, if you do turn out to be the cop, do yourself and everyone else you play with in the future a favor. Spend some time in the newbie queue, and really read the games there and elsewhere. You're a detriment to any team you play on until you get a grasp of the game. Actually do this no matter what you turn out to be. And this is not an insult by the way, just some advice.

Actually thats great advice. You havent been helpful at all Pope, admit it.

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My biggest concern here us the fact that Pope plays like this in literally all the games he plays in...

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Day hasnt ended yet?

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Well it looks like were losing Shana tomorrow.
Care explaining the vote SC?
Empking nice of you to show up, care to post more than a vote?

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Sugar, TIP did say something about your conflict with NEC being TvT or SvS but not any middle ground. Actually, your interactions with him have been quite odd.

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VOTE: Enoking

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Okay, obviously I meant empking

VOTE: Empking

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There is honestly nothing going on with how empking posts, zilch, no information whatsoever. Im not sure if this is disinterest or not but the slot needs pressure.

[DoctorPepper]

What information was given with 157 ? NEC is confirmed to be town.

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Hmm, when Maestro replaced out, what does everyone think of TIP's reaction? Is it indicative of him being Maestro/Molla's partner and him being worried that he was being replaced?

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You know how I play?

adgoih fbs

who are you?

TIP attacks practically everyone

but

DP and EMP, both EMP and DP had TIP as their RVS vote which Nero thinks is scum early distancing

Nero thinks DP's vote is weird and him saying "I'm sick of this shit" is fake emotion that he used to try and gain town cred from

He will be able to explain this better

I'll give my thoughts and reasons RE Molla when I hear something from Slimer

Have you not been reading the thread or have you been misrepping me on purpose?
My vote wasn't RVS the second time I voted for him (forgetting that my vote was already on him in the first place). And wasnt our whole spat on lots of pages in this thread the main reason why I wanted him gone?

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I find it funny that SC answers with bullshit without answering the questions.
Why did I wait long? Cause yesterday I was focused on getting TIP lynched.

I guess I need to reread the thread to get reads.

Its funny how you talk about selective scumhunting, yet you've done nothing but the same, exemplified by your last post.

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Its enticing but if they were scum, why would they kill NEC? For the argument they had earlier? Im inclinced to think that kills like these were more likely done to incriminate people as scum, so I am not sure yet.

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Also

Mod: V/LA June 3-5

Noted.... Rach

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So yesterday we got lucky. We didnt scumhunt, we basically just got lucky on a policy lynch. In fact, it was a Phyrric victory cause of the outed cop (who is MIA). Looking at the wagon we have Aeris (voted out of policy), Shana (Counterclaim), NEC(Policy), SC(voted after the cop claim) and me (policy). People who didnt vote: BB (unvoted after cop claim), TNE/theslimer (inactive), Empking (?). Its probably a bus, but Im wondering which one is it.
Im tossing this up between BB or SC. I was considering Aeris for a moment, I thought maybe scumTIP was trying to make his partner look good, but TIP was voting out of policy, so Im doubting that now.
Here's why I think its either BB or SC.
1. BB - the whole tirade TIP gave after the Maestro fiasco and voting Maestro on RVS (funny how SC claims that scum would vote their partner at RVS as early distancing and say that as a reason for me being scum, yet no mention of TIP's RVS), BB claiming early that Pope is scum, then later saying he is VI.
2. SC - first, BB proposed that NEC could be scum coaching TIP, SC counters with "why couldnt it be Scum buddying Town", there was an insistence of TIP being town, which only changes right after he was confirmed scum (from the Nero half, the MM half states he is scum for asking an RQS question about LAL, because that makes sense). TIP then said in his passing statement "Dont pressure SC, its not like he's scum" making some huge scum WIFOM right there, making two scenarios possible "a) TIP knows SC is not scum but WIFOMed to confuse the fuck out of us or b) TIP WIFOMED to protect the partner. 562 screams of contradiction. You say that its NEVER solely the lynchees fault for being wagoned. First of all, you said this pount was moot for scum lynches in 468 but not in town mislynches. Second, have you seen TIP's play? How the fuck was that not his fault? Are you defending his play right now?
Possibilities for other TIP partners.
Slimer - TNE was too inactive to get a read
Empking - I have no idea what the fuck he thinks of this game
Aeris - I do have some suspicion that she wanted the policy lynch to get massive towncred, but I town read her at this point and I dont think its the case
Shana - impossible
Me - if I was his partner, please explain yesterday? Bussing gone too far? Bullshit

Reread the fucking thread both of you.
VOTE: Sugar Cain

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L-1

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slimer, what partner? The oother scum is dead. BTW, nice of you to show up Empking, why so quick to the L-1 vote?

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Ugh, I dont want this to end so quickly. We have 2 chances left and I really, really dont want to lose this especially after correctly nailing scum L-1.

[DoctorPepper]

Okay, I've been prodded. Sprry for the inactivity, been busy with school stuff. I'll reread the thread tonight and I'll start playing again tomorrow.

Right now, I do agree with Molla. Slimer, like TNE, hasnt done that much, but then again, neither has anyone else besides Aeris. I am not sure who to trust though, but right now I have a gut scum feel on Molla for reasons I stated day 2.

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Weird gut feel, I feel like its Aeris. Only giving that massive amount of interaction when TIP was lynched. That whole read list of TIP where he lists Aeris at the top, seems like bussing. I am really not trusting my gut right now, but it seems weird.

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Rach, he didnt intend it as a vote though he already had the vote on slimer

In any case, I do agree that slimer hasnt really been adding anything, but I have reasons to suspect all of you as the last scum, so not voting slimer yet.

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Is anyone at all still interested?

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Slyther, are you voting him because he's your scum read or because you dont want him in lylo?

Why does it worry you Aeris? That I dont trust anyone as town? Imo, everyone here has earned my suspicion

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Slimerr, are you voting him because he's your scum read or because you dont want him in lylo?

Why does it worry you Aeris? That I dont trust anyone as town? Imo, everyone here has earned my suspicion

[DoctorPepper]

So if BB is town to you, who is your second strongest scum read?

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Open to every option because at this point I cant call anyone here as town with certainty. At this point, I actually think youre pretty town but paranoia keeps making me think you could be scum with TIP.

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Okay then, I'm more inclined to think its BB raher than slimer. Im using associative tells for Bb, but slimer hasnt really added anything, pretty much like tne. I have no idea how to read Empking

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VOTE: BBMolla

Aeris you have the hammer, Im more convinced of BB scum compared to slimer scum

[DoctorPepper]

Well you could reread the thread first

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Have you not gotten your role PM yet?

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Yes! I finally won a game as town! Bye bye town losing streak! Nice hammer Aeris!
GJ Town.

[DoctorPepper]

you were gonna lynch me? I was still gonna go with BB though.

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^ Common scum tell cause I've seen it a lot now, thanks for giving me a new tell BB

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Gah, I should have pushed you though instead of SC day 2.