Micro 174 The Half Baked Curse GAME OVER Mage School Win

[TheIrishPope]

/confirm

[TheIrishPope]

Purple Raptor was Mathdino, but he hasn't been active since last week.
Pimhel has one with her: MaraPim I think

VOTE: Maestro
We speak English here, son.

[TheIrishPope]

Well, let's get discussion started to do just that, Sugar.
Hello everyone, I am TheIrishPope! You may call me Irish, Pope, TIP, or any new nickname.
Question: Lynch All Liars, yay or nay?

[TheIrishPope]

Well, if no one wants to talk, I'll play some Pokémon.
If you don't post in 30 hours u is scumz.

[TheIrishPope]

Umm... I don't get it.
Serious answer: I don't understand why being curious about people's thoughts on decisions that may affect this game at later stages, like LyLo, is stupid.

[TheIrishPope]

Nero what are you doing? D:

I don't like either LAL Theory, both suck. I don't like policy lynches period and I think bringing it up is stupid

Proof that MM is voting for me because of this.

[TheIrishPope]

I think only Maestro and Shana have not posted much...
What's up with that?

[TheIrishPope]

Yes, precisely. I can't believe I fucking forgot mother's day weekend.

[TheIrishPope]

WAIT WHAT THE FUCK
Maestro has been posting on other threads literally right now
Everyone, vote for this sucker.

[TheIrishPope]

Yes, MM is voting for me. I understand that. I pointed it out.

[TheIrishPope]

My apologies. So why are you voting for me?

[TheIrishPope]

VOTE: thenewearth

[TheIrishPope]

This game is getting to a halt. I want to see some discussion.
I voted tne for shits and giggles. I'll retract my vote when we get serious, don't worry.

[TheIrishPope]

Thanks for explaining and posting a lot.

[TheIrishPope]

He'll be replaced anyway, right?

[TheIrishPope]

NEC, what other reads do you have?

[TheIrishPope]

You're out of RVS... I am not. There is absolutely no discussion going on. There is nothing to go on. So I don't see why you're so ecstatic about jumping on me.

[TheIrishPope]

I don't see you doing anything constructive...
At this stage of D1, votes don't really mean anything when it is five to lynch and many people have not posted much (or even at all).

[TheIrishPope]

I'm just pointing out that he can't criticize me on that. He can't say oh you must do this if he himself is not doing it.
We haven't had major events to talk about.
How about everyone provides reads now?

[TheIrishPope]

I wasn't out of RVS because nothing was happening and no one was posting. I guess we're getting somewhere now. Maybe tne being scared is worth commenting on?
I don't have reads, again, because no one is posting. I can't formulate reads out of thin air.
PEdit: What theory have I fabricated? Misreading means I'm scum? I was unaware of this. You guys should tell me these kinds of things more often.

[TheIrishPope]

But do you have proof?

[TheIrishPope]

Yes. Is there something wrong with not having reads with only 5 pages?

[TheIrishPope]

Well, do you have any reads?
And you telling me to make something happen will only lead to wild accusations of my intentions and behaviors.

[TheIrishPope]

I wasn't out of RVS because nothing was happening and no one was posting. I guess we're getting somewhere now. Maybe tne being scared is worth commenting on?
I don't have reads, again, because no one is posting. I can't formulate reads out of thin air.
PEdit: What theory have I fabricated? Misreading means I'm scum? I was unaware of this. You guys should tell me these kinds of things more often.

Everyone but maestro has posted. you don't have one town or scum read?

I am indecisive on the hydra battle right here, I'm faintly leaning to both of them being town. Or maybe they're scum attacking each other and I am horribly wrong.

[TheIrishPope]

TIP stop posting.

Its like you are asking to be lynched every time you post.

I dont think you are scum because you are always like this.

-i

Why stop now?
And how do you know my playstyle?

[TheIrishPope]

I have no meta on this site and we've never talked

[TheIrishPope]

So what have you talked about?

[TheIrishPope]

Does that mean you two have a town, null, or scum read on me?
I agree that people here shouldn't act with such haste. However, find balance. 7 pages, 170 posts in 4 days is despicable.

[TheIrishPope]

All alt slips are forgiven

Good to know, because I do have a read on you. When I solidify it, I will let you know.

[TheIrishPope]

TIP

Why do you think that the hydra battle has to be town vs town or scum vs scum?

Why did you not consider that a towny could have an overwhelmingly strong read on a scum?

-i

I don't see the intention of your questioning if you are inside this battle.
You are biased and still cling on the fact that you are town and someone else who doesn't think what you think is scum.
You must be objective if you want to win.

That might be the case, yes, but my opinion on this matter right now is either TvT or SvS.

[TheIrishPope]

I asked you why you think that. Of course i am biased to my opinion--- it is my opinion.

Please answer

-i

I think this is TvT or SvS because
a. They are the most likely possibilities,
b. It really does seem that you two are giving non serious reasons, and
c. If you really have "outed" them as scum, everyone would have noticed and voted for the "obvious" scum.

That's what I'm saying. You shouldn't be biased like this,

especially

at this stage of the game.

[TheIrishPope]

I agree, it might be too risky, but please give reasons, TNE.

[TheIrishPope]

Because I can't see THIS early of a bussing.

wait what
Use proper English please

[TheIrishPope]

Got it thanks
Well, WIFOM as always I guess

[TheIrishPope]

That kind of over confidence makes me believe your case is flawed and insignificant. I am dismissing it unless revisiting this problem is deemed necessary.

[TheIrishPope]

I have nothing to do with the case. It is NEC against SC. TIP is in no way involved, so don't try to implicate me.

[TheIrishPope]

What the actual fuck are you going on about....

I did not implicate you in anything... I am pleading with you to read, consider, and respond to the case and you are acting like a brick wall

-i

But if I agree with you, you'll say "oh bandwagonning vote tip lol"
If I don't agree with you, you'll say "oh u are scumz lol"
So I will stay out of it.

PEdit: SC, reads?

[TheIrishPope]

I can't find scum if I'm lynched all of a sudden due to those reasons.
What is your definition of playing like a towny? Everyone has different views.

[TheIrishPope]

Considering that exactly four people have been really active, I can't really add to the discussion. But, since you want something, here goes:
Aeris
TNE
NEC
SC
Shana

Highest are scum, lowest are prob town. This is all preliminary; people have not posted enough and we are nine days away from nighttime. So, please, post.
And prod RachMarie

Yo, Ineffective, chill.
If I survive longer I can do a better job, so don't lynch me D1.
Do you mean that playing like you, with your fancy capital letters and faulty reasoning, will not get me lynched? Sounds great.

[TheIrishPope]

Hotshot. I like that nickname.
Everyone's chances of winning is higher if they are alive.
Or what? You'll vote for me? Spooky.
Policy lynches just suck in any situation.

Vote: NoEffenCllue

Aeris, things change, darling.

[TheIrishPope]

It's ok, I get it.
I would as well, but I want mod here because she would have prodded many players

[TheIrishPope]

I am bad at mafia? Wow. And now you use WIFOM as a final resort? Really? Have you sunk that low?

[TheIrishPope]

#81 SC did the same thing TIP did when TIP was voted by SC, which was drawing a conclusion for the vote. The difference in the two scenarios is that SC explained the vote after a few posts while in this scenario (regarding NEC voting SC), is that NEC didn't explain the reason, and only did after some time.

#85 Same feel I got from #38, felt like a 'day vig' threat.

"No townie in their right mind is going to blindly sheep you"
Agreeing in this, though if a townie also saw what NEC saw, that is not blindly sheeping is it?

"On one hand this could be some bullshit reaction test."
Isn't SC right in this sense? 'Cause NEC's primary reasons for voting were for the 'kinda trollish' posts, and being inconsistent.

Aeris
TNE
NEC
SC
Shana

This list seems forced, what did you find scummy in Aerith's posts?

I do not find them scummy, I only find them not townie. And dunno, she's been fence-sitting the entire game, not like the hydras and me who are really posting and scumhunting.
It is kind of forced because due to *someone's* logic, if I don't have reads, I am scum. So there's that. It is really preliminary and tentative.

There are so many things so wrong with that read list by TIP. So you say there are four people active right now, and you give reads for 5, with no explanations for said reads, no previous suspicion of any of your so called scum reads, prob town reads for a player who barely posted (Shana) and no reads for me, who hasnt been very active but a bit more active than Shana and a bit less active than your top scum read. Then you vote your middle read, with no explanation. Then you say "things change honey" like 2 posts later? What? And youve been clamoring for everyone to give you reads, never give your own and when you do, its like a random mish mash of reads without rhyme or reason.

Yeah, I do agree with ffery that there scum usually have radars that make them avoid such posts, however I dont believe that its impossible for a player that is incredibly scummy to actually be scum. Yes this is too blatant, can it be scum? Possibly. Is it helpful to town? Hell no.

After rereading the game thread, I have 2 scum reads, the rest are either town or null and I will sort them out later on.
Scum reads: TIP - for reasons I've stated tons of times
TNE - I am bothered by how TNE posts. Like when TNE posts, its barely anything that would contribute to the game. Take 56, 61, 66, 101, are just posts addressed at the votes, like there was an overly concerned about being voted vibe. Its as if most of the posts are actually just about how much of a bad idea it is to vote her. Yeah, barely anything constructive, except maybe the fact that she doesnt think its SVS because "Its too early to bus" whoch isnt always the case and is WIFOM.

Empking and Maestro barely posted, hope they will be able to contribute more. Though I dont like empking's early posts. Thereasons for voting bug me. "Wrong signature?" Yeah, I feel like his posts arent constructive at all.

Dunno what to think of the hydra fight, leaning towards TvT by virtue of existing scum reads, will need to read more about this.
Aeris and Shana give me town vibes as well, Shana is more null leaning town. Yeah all my 4 town reads actually give efforts to scum hunt, thats how I read them. Will try to understand the conflict between NoEff and SC.

I don't give reasons because of what you have just said: everyone has barely posted excluding me and the hydras.
What is the scum motivation behind my actions and TNE's?
What is the town motivation behind Aeris's contribution and Shana's?

[TheIrishPope]

You want me dead? Why?
Again, it is a tentative list which is most likely filled with errors. It was only to circumnavigate NEC's badgering. I have mixed feelings on all of you, especially the hydras of course.

[TheIrishPope]

I do not find them scummy, I only find them not townie. And dunno, she's been fence-sitting the entire game,

Do you know what fence-sitting means? Going after someone immediately is not fence-sitting. Thinking you were scum because you made a scum post, but then realizing that you so mind numbingly new that you just might not know what you're doing at all, and therefore might not be scum is not fence-sitting. That's called actually trying to get a read on someone. Waiting to see someone's reaction to get a better read is not fence-sitting. So you might want to not use words when you don't know what they mean. Just a tip.

Oh and just so you know, giving a reads list and doing nothing else, is not actually scumhunting so you might want to stop tooting your own horn when you haven't been doing anything.

Hmm...
This response is interesting.
It did seem to me that you were choosing your moments and being opportunistic to strike, but now I kinda see them coming from town. I am not doing anything else at the moment; people are catching up and barely posting. For example, you are not scum. So I now have new insight and I can look into other people.

[TheIrishPope]

Is there anyone else who kind of bothers you in their play?

[TheIrishPope]

Jesus Christ, people. You are members of an elite community. How can you degrade players in this manner? If you can't set aside a personal problem, this site is not for you. Do us all a favor and resolve your stupid mindset immediately.
This goes not only to Maestro's acquaintance, but to everyone else for future reference. I apologise if any feelings have been hurt, but remember that we are all a community, a family, and if you consistently attack a person, you should get out of here.

[TheIrishPope]

Alright people, let's get this rolling.
Welcome, BBmolla.

Is there anyone else who kind of bothers you in their play?

Restating my question for Aeris.

[TheIrishPope]

I was referring to the "Why did you not consider that a towny could have an overwhelmingly strong read on a scum" question. NEC is over confident. I don't like that.
I have never played with Nero.
BBmolla, why have you not voted for your reads?

[TheIrishPope]

TIP is kinda fence sitting on us and NEC. Which may or may not be a scumtell since I see this often from inexperienced town.

What do you want answered? I don't understand why you say I am fence sitting.

[TheIrishPope]

Sugar, why don't you vote NEC?

[TheIrishPope]

Sugar, why don't you vote NEC?

Because Mara disagrees apparently.

I'm trying to figure out if that sort of dissonance is town-like. in th first game that orcinus and I played as Selkies we had some extreme differences of opinion on a couple of players. We put the disagreements on hold until one of us would change our mind. We did not try to convince other players to vote the people we disagreed on.

Is there plausible deniability once our alignment is known? Maybe. The disagreement itself doesn't bother me so much as the acting on it.

- fferyllt

orcinus and I
orcinus and I
orcinus and I
orcinus and I

Stop saying that. You cannot use your hydra playstyle to account for someone else's. Now get to some real scumhunting and you can be saved D1.

[TheIrishPope]

I'm a scum read all of a sudden?

[TheIrishPope]

TIP is kinda fence sitting on us and NEC. Which may or may not be a scumtell since I see this often from inexperienced town.

What do you want answered? I don't understand why you say I am fence sitting.

Apparently you skipped this.

Why am I scum?
And why do you need Nero to approve your beliefs?

[TheIrishPope]

Bb is town.

Mehbeh. Why do you say this? I have my reasons, I want to see if we share some.

[TheIrishPope]

Aeris has a scum read on me I think.

[TheIrishPope]

I don't understand what you are saying, Aeris.

[TheIrishPope]

I'm not understanding you because you are being ambiguous. Do you think I am scum now or not?

[TheIrishPope]

So just say null. No need to be agressive.

[TheIrishPope]

My bad. I'm interested on your read on everyone and how you interact with them. For example, you interacting with me, a null read, does seem kind of towny.

[TheIrishPope]

Again with the newbiness do you really think it affects this game?

[TheIrishPope]

What is your read on me, anyway?

[TheIrishPope]

I want to know all your reads. It seems likely that you will be lynched today. I want to know who you hate and who you love.

[TheIrishPope]

What is your read on me, anyway?

Waiting on this.

[TheIrishPope]

I want to know all your reads. It seems likely that you will be lynched today. I want to know who you hate and who you love.

...

[TheIrishPope]

Wait why are we voting Shana again?

[TheIrishPope]

NoEffenCllue
Empking
Sugar Cain

Strongest to weakest. I don't want to put Shana at L-1; I don't think this case is convincing.

[TheIrishPope]

DoctorPepper, you have no right to talk until you actually contribute to this game.
I always was suspicious of these hydrae. I even said that their skirmish might have been SvS, but nooo, you have to come in without reading anything and fuck up the game. Learn to read, and then we can take you seriously.
Empking hasn't done shit this game. You really want me to believe he's Town?

[TheIrishPope]

If you could explain, that would be awesome...

[TheIrishPope]

.............
You make a compelling argument.

[TheIrishPope]

You would just attack me with the same thing.
Giving no explanation is scummy.

[TheIrishPope]

Because he is oozing scummitude.

Waiting to hear from Eff, but damn I want to lynch that.

- fery

I don't understand what happened to this and the Shana thing.
I can't really defend myself with your case...
I just think you're bipolar.

[TheIrishPope]

Point them out so I can "defend myself".

[TheIrishPope]

And I'm the offensive one? Geez.
Nice AtE.

[TheIrishPope]

DP, I thought it was obvious, what with all those fancy swear words and exclamation marks.
How do you expect me to respond after a barrage of AtE?

NEC, why do you talk about policy lynching, if we have more than enough time to plan a good lynch? I suggest you chill for a minute.

[TheIrishPope]

Stupidity is an emotion. You are appealing to it. Appeal to Emotion.

[TheIrishPope]

It is an emotion. If I am happy, I act this way. If I am sad, I act this way. If I am stupid, I act this way.
It is stupid only in your eyes.

[TheIrishPope]

There's no way to getting to you guys >_>

[TheIrishPope]

With so many suspensions, I'm starting to doubt you have English as a first language.
In any case, if we are doing ad hominem attacks, you better bring better arguments.

[TheIrishPope]

Then what do you seek, oh wary traveler?

[TheIrishPope]

Simple Wikipedia? Really? >_>
He fears his own lynch. He deflects this fear on me.
He is angry that I am right and he is wrong.
He is sad he can't come up with anymore arguments.
He is happy you are supporting and encouraging.
He is disgusted at the sight of me, so much that he replaced out of a game because of me.
He trusts you.
I don't.
He anticipates my lynch. It wil not happen.
He is surprised that I am winning and he is losing.
What a poor little thing.

[TheIrishPope]

You told me to do something and I did it.
Now I am scummy for doing it.
Tell me, how am I scummy?
It seems you are pressing on the same issues.
That is definitely not Town behavior.

[TheIrishPope]

When did I say he appealed to mine?

[TheIrishPope]

Hydras please remember to post on your hydra account and not on your main. Also could you all tone it down a tad? Remember it is a game and attack the playstyle not the player thanks... Rach

Thanks Rach.
Silly scum trying to discredit my play, am I right?

[TheIrishPope]

I was not the stupid one. I pointed out he was making stupid points.

[TheIrishPope]

These people

[TheIrishPope]

...
Policy lynch?
Force replace?
Whaaaat?

[TheIrishPope]

Fine, message to whoever hammers: have fun lynching the cop.

[TheIrishPope]

Why why why would a VT claim cop?
I am the Even-Night Oracle. Cop, in its most basic sense.
Shana stop prancing around.
VOTE: Shana

[TheIrishPope]

L-1 is still dangerous. And given the position I was in, scum would have definitely swooped in and hammered, justifying his actions by "oh he was being stupid"
I don't believe you (of course, I am the cop). I did not understand your need of teasing with the subject at hand.
Talking about scum cc'ing me is setting your defence up. And then, you cc'ed. Which seems odd.
I am making my case for everyone to lynch Shana. I know Shana is lying; I don't see why a VT would lie about being cop.

[TheIrishPope]

I have no idea. That's why I ask: why would a VT cc me?
If your lynch pushed through, I would get lynched as well.

How could I convince these people not to lynch me? I was at L-1, and nothing would have changed their mindset.
It would have all ended in my claim.

[TheIrishPope]

Shana: Let's say we lynch you and you flip Cop. That would look bad on me, of course. Likewise, if I am lynched and I flip Cop, it would look bad on you.

DP: How is that a slip?

NEC: You silly scum, trying to get the Cop lynched... again.
VOTE: NoEffenCllue

[TheIrishPope]

Shana, at this stage, all I know is that I am Town.
It would be confusing to me if you as a VT claimed Cop.

[TheIrishPope]

Bussing NEC? How so?

[TheIrishPope]

A gambit? Watchu talking 'bout?

[TheIrishPope]

A gambit? Watchu talking 'bout?

a gambit is a supoptimal play with a possible payout

EG hammering you as unccd cop when shana implies she was cop ever so slightly

I know what a gambit is. I wanted to know what gambit was occurring.

Shana: Let's say we lynch you and you flip Cop. That would look bad on me, of course. Likewise, if I am lynched and I flip Cop, it would look bad on you.

DP: How is that a slip?

NEC: You silly scum, trying to get the Cop lynched... again.
VOTE: NoEffenCllue

I can't take this. I just can't. This vote is hilariously bad and stupid. <-------- NOT an emotion by the way.

You claim cop. Shana cc's you. IF you are the cop, you know Shana is lying, and that should be the only vote you should be making. Voting anyone else at this point makes no sense. None. At. All. Not if you're really the cop. Even someone completely new at this should know that.

Right now I don't care if you're the cop. I really don't. You've become such a distraction and a diversion that you're impossible to read and they probably won't even kill you if you are. Lynching you no matter what you are is doing town a favor. And with you voting someone other than Shana right now makes it very likely you're not the cop.

I know shana is not the Cop. But Shana might be a VT for all I know. I'm letting him build his case.
Policy lynching? Really?

There was no town motivation in that post.

If Shana was scum and you led the lynch? We would kynch you because? You bussed? Why would 2 scum claim cop?
If Shana was cop, of course we'd lynch you.
If Shana was just VT, why would we lynch ou?

Its a slip because you basically said "Hey im forcing a lynch of you, but I know what you will flip, and theyll lynch me later when thy find out"

How would I fucking know? You are the people who make up these ridiculous excuses to vote me anyway.

Bussing NEC? How so?

you are voting scummy as fuck NEC when Shana is CCing you and in your mind, lying. How does it make sense to not vote Shana.

I'm so sick of NEC posting out of hydra.

NEC = scum. Shana = Not Cop.

I think that's the hammer. Oh well, good luck.

[TheIrishPope]

Guess I fucked it up big time

[TheIrishPope]

I thought that maybe Shana was VT for whatever reason, I don't know. NEC is the scummiest here anyway.

[TheIrishPope]

That's harsh >_>
"Hey newb go to the newbie queue" isn't advice, it's just attacking me.

[TheIrishPope]

Geez guys, thanks for being supportive.

[TheIrishPope]

Now that is good, sensitive advice. Thanks.

[TheIrishPope]

Don't pressure SC, guys. It's not like he's scum or anything.

[TheIrishPope]

But I just said you're not scum :O

[TheIrishPope]

Yep, if I counted right I'm at L+1

[TheIrishPope]

Mod hasn't been here.
Do you want me to PM Rach?