Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[Nero Cain]

yea, I was given my role DAYS ago, mod is just getting around to giving ya'll any.

[Nero Cain]

I already have my lynchlist. You guys are so transparent.

LYNCH ALL LIARS!!!!

vote: selkies

[Nero Cain]

You should let things happen instead of analyzing things five posts in

Hypothetically speaking, how long should we have allowed you to argue with Ghost before anyone else chimed in?

[Nero Cain]

eh, Matt's vt claim is prob some sort of gambit as he supposedly does them as either alignment.

[Nero Cain]

no. Way to lazy. I'll link tou to one of the games we played in together. Matt kept fake claiming as a gambit and some of use suspected him and someone said (maybe even Matt himself?) that he did it as both.

[Nero Cain]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25367

[Nero Cain]

does he actually make a good lynch target?

ehhhh....I'd let him be for a few days but if we aren't hitting scum he might be a decent candidate to get rid of before lylo.

[Nero Cain]

I'll always be wary of Matt. Him lying/gambiting/reaction fishing is null but I'd strongly consider his lynch in a few days if we seem to not be hitting on scum. My vote is on Selk and yea it was RVS. I wouldn't consider a Selk lynch at all. I haven't found anything to yell at yet hence why I'm sitting on my RVS.

[Nero Cain]

Why is milkshake trying to bait me into lynching Matt?

[Nero Cain]

ok

vote:Milshake

[Nero Cain]

I'll never "trust" you but I also don't really think you scum so I doesn't see why my agreeing with you is a bad thing.

[Nero Cain]

....................................

So despite the fact that I did not want to lynch Matt today you kept on badgering me about Matt when it was obviously clear that I did not agree with your logic.

[Nero Cain]

As far as scum go, I'm not liking Nero Cain too much for town. And milkshake's entrance was a little unsettling as well.

This Milkshake wagon is going a bit fast and its making me worry...

[Nero Cain]

Demon

Why did the Fery head not vote me if I'm her #1 suspect?

[Nero Cain]

Demon

Why did the Fery head not vote me if I'm her #1 suspect?

Why are you asking Demon this question and not us? I'll let him answer though if you want.

You asked me who was scum if Milk flips town, I told you, Demon.


In that same post I asked you why Fery was not voting me after claiming I was her #1 suspect.

[Nero Cain]

look at that deflect.

[Nero Cain]

As far as scum go, I'm not liking Nero Cain too much for town. And milkshake's entrance was a little unsettling as well

So my name being first has nothing to do with anything. ok

[Nero Cain]

As far as scum go, I'm not liking Nero Cain too much for town. And milkshake's entrance was a little unsettling as well

So my name being first has nothing to do with anything. ok

No there is meaning to my ordering of your names. It is chronological.

- f

Any reasoning?

[Nero Cain]

SOO's vote seems to be a follow the leader vote

I could buy that. You think he may have listed a buddy in Demon/Selk?

[Nero Cain]

Today it looks like you are trying to influence bandwagons while keeping your hands clean.

the hell is this shit?

[Nero Cain]

I dont' understand this, and I would have asked the same question. It's not protown to sit on your ass like you were, leaving your vote on a person you think is *town*. It seems a legitimate question, and I don't see why it's scummy at all. It didn't seem to me like milk was trying to bait you into voting Matt, rather it was an honest question as to why your posts seemed contradictory

So I should have just switched my vote over and over like you did? Why are you so upset over a RVS vote? This also looks like mad backtracking here. In 97 you guys did vote for Milk, so if you thought it was a legit question and not scummy at why, what were you guys doing voting Milk?

As per 115, you joined this Milkshake wagon to "get information" which I don't exactly buy. This also makes 115 look like a lie since you claimed that I was NOT your #1 suspect and yet you are now claiming that what Milk did in 75, 79 and 81 was not scummy. So you're basing your entire Milkshake scum read on 72? Ok but if you actually believed that Milk was scum why then do you not think that 75, 79, 81 were not from a scum perspective?

But then on page 6

milkshake's page 4 posts ping pretty hard.

So to the other head does think 75, 79 and 81 were scummy....

Hydra dis is more annoying than scummy but could deff be used as a scum tactic.

The was no contradiction in my post. I have no reason to consider a Matt P lynch (other than utility) today and me claiming that I might consider him a viable lynch candidate down the road has nothing to do with today.

[Nero Cain]

Why did you want to ask Nero Cain in particular...?

This is dumb as hell considering it was, y'know, nero cain that had his vote sitting on a townread.

??????

My vote rests on you.
Milkshake tries to get me to move my vote off of you and onto Matt P.
In 81 he/she/it claims that it was just trying to get my opinion and see if I agreed with her? This is a valid question me thinks.

[Nero Cain]

Why did you want to ask Nero Cain in particular...?

This is dumb as hell considering it was, y'know, nero cain that had his vote sitting on a townread.

??????

My vote rests on you.
Milkshake tries to get me to move my vote off of you and onto Matt P.
In 81 he/she/it claims that it was just trying to get my opinion and see if I agreed with her? This is a valid question me thinks.

[Nero Cain]

Not liking Nero's 83 framing post without the gusto to make the vote himself until he gets the backing from MattP.

And yet Milk didn't want to vote Matt until she got backing from me. Selk didn't have the guts to vote me until after the Milk wagon started to evaporate and even went along with a wagon that they had more steam. Why am I scummy for this but they are not?

Also see a scum-mentality from 87.

how so?

Matt's posts feel town, especially 86 calling out Nero.

I don't really care what Matt's read of me is. Though it must not be that strong if he didn't list me in people he wanted dead list a few posts later.

[Nero Cain]

Also, Nero, do you often try to find buddies this early like you did in #120?

Yes. I don't think there's any reason to not speculate.

[Nero Cain]

@ nero: why the fuck would you change your avatar? It used to be amazing.

you don't like it man?

I'll never "trust" you but I also don't really think you scum so I doesn't see why my agreeing with you is a bad thing.

This premise behind this post lies in the theoretical discussion of scum being always anti-town. Taken into account the context of the post (which I already outlined) the scum-mindset that I see from the post is that Nero comes up with an excuse to why he is sheeping based on a false-premise.

yeah....I don't know what the fuck this says.

[Nero Cain]

opps, forgot this.

Also, Nero, do you often try to find buddies this early like you did in #120?

Yes. I don't think there's any reason to not speculate.

Can I have a tiny chunk of your meta as town doing that?

NO!!! I'm too lazy to go through my games and quote all the times that I've said "these players are buddies, etc. Its tedious and uneeded so you can either trust me or go look at my past games. Also, I've played with several of the players in this game, most notably Iece, Thad and Matt, I think they'll vouch that I don't shy away from suspecting multiple people at the same time.

[Nero Cain]

because the bulk of the rationale for MattP's lynch came from an opinion held by Nero

yea, I never pushed for a Matt lynch.

[Nero Cain]

Where did I say that I had a town read on Selk?

[Nero Cain]

No. I had no reason to suspect Selk yet. They weren't a "town" read but they weren't a scum read and I try to lynch my scum reads and not my null reads.

[Nero Cain]

She was picking up on some things from Nero that I also picked up on (hesitance to commit to an opinion) and while she seemed to view this less negatively than me, she was harrying Nero to commit just the same, which is what I would have done in her shoes.

I'm like 99.9% that I voiced on opinion on Matt in 78. I read the situation totally different then you. In 79 it does look a heckva lot like Milk is try to get me to vote Matt when I already said that I wasn't interested in lynching Matt today. I feel like she was not trying to get me to "commit to an opinion" but trying to get me to move my vote off of Selk. Considering that you have a scum read on Selk, do you not find it just a little strange that she doing this? Or do you think it was a whole coinkydink and its less likely they are scumbudz?

[Nero Cain]

My top two scumreads are Ghostlin and

Selkies

. NC I am conflicted about.

I like your analyses, Amrun.

town don't say this. FFery seems like she'd fight things tooth and nail.

because the bulk of the rationale for MattP's lynch came from an opinion held by Nero

yea, I never pushed for a Matt lynch.

I know you didn't, but it followed from what you had said at that point that you SHOULD have. To demonstrate this, we can take a look at post #133 by Selkies where they express the same opinion.

So I should have wanted a Matt P lynch 'cause I mentioned that he fake claims as both alignments? Why do you think it took them 11 posts before they agreed with you? Why not agree with you when we actually had our argument? They even voted you first.

Come on Amrun, lets lynch Selk today.

[Nero Cain]

I should have wanted a Matt P lynch 'cause I mentioned that he fake claims as both alignments?

Technically, you should have wanted a MattP lynch because he claims early as town and fakeclaims early as scum. This was under the assumption of "Never lie as town" being universally accepted strategy here. Which apparently it might not be?

So why you didn't vote Matt?

[Nero Cain]

Why is GCBC lurking so terribly?

[Nero Cain]

why are you calling cops out for lurking when others are doing the same?

Why do you have a problem with me calling out cops for lurking? Selk is lurking but that's likely scum anyways. You're lurking a bit. So, sure, I'll entertain the idea that you are scum but I'm more interested in a milk/selk/soo group but sure, I can do a milk/selk/soo/missdes group.

So who wants to claim to be the stupid townie?

[Nero Cain]

IMO Cain is doing exactly what he accuses me of doing. He's sucking up to you.

I accused you of sucking up to Amrun? no. I think I rather kill this today instead of Milkshake. Make it so guys.

[Nero Cain]

Swords, I initially liked your reason because it was the most detailed on of those on the Milkshake wagon

except that it was just a bunch of the same reasoning that had already been pointed out.

[Nero Cain]

Why do you think milk and selk are grouped together? I find that unlikely, though not impossible.

I think they're both independently scummy and since I know we don't have two scum teams and its not confirmed if we have an sk or not so it does make me want to put them together. I mean the whole "Nero votes Selk, Milk tried to get Nero to unvote Selk" seems a lil' weird but maybe you're right and its just a big coincidence.

[Nero Cain]

I'll always be wary of Matt. Him lying/gambiting/reaction fishing is null but I'd strongly consider his lynch in a few days if we seem to not be hitting on scum. My vote is on Selk and yea it was RVS.

I wouldn't consider a Selk lynch at all.

I haven't found anything to yell at yet hence why I'm sitting on my RVS.

I interpreted that as a town read, as only people I read as town are people I "wouldn't consider a lynch at all."

No. I had no reason to suspect Selk yet. They weren't a "town" read but they weren't a scum read and I try to lynch my scum reads and not my null reads.

No, that's not how that post works. When you say you wouldn't consider somebody's lynch at all,

you imply that you wouldn't consider them being scum

(assuming you want to lynch scum).

Forced misrepresentation of own post to make your OMGUS on us seem more natural. Pretty sure scum intentions.

Really? Thank you for telling me what my post means now fucking die scum.

[Nero Cain]

Orc doesn't deny they are a scum slot.

[Nero Cain]

1) No, I'm voting for Milk because a push on a claimed VT is pretty terrible, actually.

Wait why

Why is a push on a p1 claimed VT by a person with a meta of claiming VT "terrible"

Also this. He has a meta of fakeclaiming not that of necessarily claiming vt.

[Nero Cain]

1) No, I'm voting for Milk because a push on a claimed VT is pretty terrible, actually.

Wait why

Why is a push on a p1 claimed VT by a person with a meta of claiming VT "terrible"

????

It's MattP who has the meta for claiming VT, not Milkshake.

so not what Ghost said

[Nero Cain]

1) No, I'm voting for Milk because a push on a claimed VT is pretty terrible, actually.

Wait why

Why is a push on a p1 claimed VT by a person with a meta of claiming VT "terrible"

????

It's MattP who has the meta for claiming VT, not Milkshake.

so not what Ghost said

[Nero Cain]

Milshake-if you thought Matt was scummy for fake claiming, why did you not vote him?

[Nero Cain]

I don't think I buy that.

I should have wanted a Matt P lynch 'cause I mentioned that he fake claims as both alignments?

Technically, you should have wanted a MattP lynch because he claims early as town and fakeclaims early as scum. This was under the assumption of "Never lie as town" being universally accepted strategy here. Which apparently it might not be?

That post to me sounds very much like you wanted to vote Matt. I don't get why you'd tell me that I should think that when you don't.

[Nero Cain]

HD not being around seems slightly iffy. He hasn't been super duper active but he's been around.

Still for a Mil/Selk lynch. Maybe SOO.

[Nero Cain]

I do want to vote Matt. You'll notice that Matt is on my 3/4 scum list.

I have a question for Matt, too, while we're on the topic:

MattP, do you believe in "never lie as town?"

I lie in every single game I'm in regardless of alignment.

If you actually think lying on its own is scummy then reevaluate your scumhunting abilities. You're a liability to town if you're really that bad

This was semi in response to Ghostlin's post as well.

No. If Milk is town then he's not "bad" 'cause town

shouldn't

lie. What is bad that he felt that I should be voting you after I already called you null while not voting for something that he supposedly believed in.

[Nero Cain]

v/la till Thursday

[Nero Cain]

Amrun, what are your Milkshake and Amrun reads?

[Nero Cain]

Amrun, what are your Milkshake and Amrun reads?

[Nero Cain]

Amrun, what are your Milkshake and SOO reads?

[Nero Cain]

this ain't looking like SOO town. So Milk is prob town.

[Nero Cain]

vote:SOO

[Nero Cain]

Swords, I initially liked your reason because it was the most detailed on of those on the Milkshake wagon and I had glazed through it. there are nearly 2 pages of between those two posts you have stated and a few people have made good points on you as well, which caused me to reconsider. That, and I had taken a closer look at that post and realized it wasn't as good as I had originally thought

This *might* be a link between SOO and Miss Des. Sure, as the pressure on SOO heated up she kinda backtracked to distance herself. But I'd be tempted to kill this when/if SOO flips scum.

[Nero Cain]

And Nero’s the type to vote me just to vote me…

no.

[Nero Cain]

opps. I'll make a post sometime later tonight but for now I'm ok with lynching one of SOO/Selk. Mayyybe Milk. Miss Des and Amrun are options but way down my list.

[Nero Cain]

Nothing has really changed for me. I’m rereading to see if anything new pops up. I'll also be reiterating some things.

In post 131, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Not liking Nero's 83 framing post without the gusto to make the vote himself until he gets the backing from MattP.
And yet Milk didn't want to vote Matt until she got backing from me

I still hate this. So if Milk were to flip scum then I’d want a GCBC lynch.

Still think 158 is dumb dumb dumb but thats just me.

I like your analyses, Amrun. Welcome to the game.

What kind of town gets called scum and is all like “OK!!!”

Milkshake is still awkward/scummy as hell.

because the bulk of the rationale for MattP's lynch came from an opinion held by Nero

yea, I never pushed for a Matt lynch.

I know you didn't, but it followed from what you had said at that point that you SHOULD have. To demonstrate this, we can take a look at post #133 by Selkies where they express the same opinion.

I think this is a great post as to why.

meh, Beli’s reads list on page 9 (post 203) are a bunch of no opinions.

That’s what I got so far and I’ll finish up later.

[Nero Cain]

I still find Mara’s liking SOO for his “detailed reasoning” (when all it was was a regurgitation of everything that had already been posted) then backtracking when the heat got to him looks pretty scummy.

Why is self preservation scummy exactly that's stupid

'cause scum need to survive.


prob has nothing to do with anything but it made me chuckle. Selk and SOO keep confusing me with Ghostlin.

If Ghostlin flips

red

, Selkies is town. Period.

and you know that there's another color in play here how?

And Nero’s the type to vote me just to vote me…

I'm never a big fan of posts like this. I often see scum attempt to shrug off a vote and that's what this seems like. So with his regurgitation of the Milk case and then this, its looking like scum to me.

What kind of town gets called scum and is all like “OK!!!”

Someone who is more interested in finding a player who could be town than in a potential vote on their own bandwagon.

Its not like scum ever do this.


On my reread:
THAD is being a lilttle too fluffy for my tastes.
I like Milk paring of a Beli/Thad team but her dumb push to get me to vote for Matt is hard to ignore.

As of now I’m thinking that the three scum are within.
sword_of_omens
milkshake
Amrun
Selkies
Ms Marangal
ThAdmiral

[Nero Cain]

I like Milk paring of a Beli/Thad team but her dumb push to get me to vote for Matt is hard to ignore.

You said you like the pairing of Beli/ThAd, yet you didn't put Belis in your scum pot?
Are you saying you only think Belis is scum if ThAd flips scum?

*I* personally like Belli as town but I can completely understand how he could be read as scum. Right now I think Amrun has slipped sk or she could be scum gambiting. Thad looks scummy and there's better options for a third scummer than Belli me thinks.

F, why did you think I was scummy for suggesting connections but Milk is not scummy for the same thing?

[Nero Cain]

Are you still liking the SoO wagon?

I don't know. I haven't decided yet. One of Thad/SOO/Milk should get lynched today. Kinda want to kill Amrun but I don't think I'll get any support and I'd want to hear from her first.

SOO, what are your reads on Milk and Thad?

[Nero Cain]

Milk, do agree with the "don't lynch pr claims on day 1"?

My pm says nothing about dream walkers, the dream realm etc.

Deleted double post since I caught it quickly.

[Nero Cain]

Mara, can I get a quick rundown of all your reads on all the slots with a tiny blurb why?

[Nero Cain]

I just want Amrum to answer my question.

[Nero Cain]

no lynch on day 1 is fucking horrible. A no lynch is usually terrible but there's like no reason to ever no lynch on day 1.

[Nero Cain]

vote:Milk

[Nero Cain]

ugh. THAD scum could easily be playing "chicken".

[Nero Cain]

Mara-claimed doc
Thad-some pr
Milk-Some passive pr.

See the problem? If all three of you are town prs then we're fucked.

Did SOO ever claim? Can you and Milk character claim?

[Nero Cain]

ThAdmiral is my original scum read

I thought it was Matt?

[Nero Cain]

You know what? I think you're right about it being an all pr game. There's not a sample vt pm. If you have a passive ability then you have a pr. Like I said earlier, I think Matt is lying but I don't think its alignment indicative.

[Nero Cain]

its been a while since I've read but some do, I don't think they all do though.

[Nero Cain]

yes.

[Nero Cain]

What was the point of unvoting MsM?

[Nero Cain]

Milshake is Chinese?

[Nero Cain]

tell Amrun to answer my question.

[Nero Cain]

WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING MY QUESTION, AMRUN?!?

[Nero Cain]

If so, I don't understand what your panties are in a wad about. Scum flips are red, and town flips are green. This has been part of the site vernacular since I joined and always will be. wut?

I understand that Amrun. What I don't understand is why you substituted the word red in place of mafia or the more common catch all; scum.

[Nero Cain]

milk but he/she/it is already lynched

[Nero Cain]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone say "this person will flip red" and use red in place of scum/mafia.

[Nero Cain]

oh. bleh.

[Nero Cain]

2 kills so we have an sk after all.

vote:

Amrun

[Nero Cain]

Amrun. Why? It doesn't make a dam bit of sense to me.

this is a stupid question.

[Nero Cain]

anything to add, Mara?

[Nero Cain]

but if you thought these events were scummy wouldn't you find the player scummy?

What are these events?

[Nero Cain]

MS claimed doc

[Nero Cain]

Why would a doc protect Ghostlin? Did he claim cop or something?

[Nero Cain]

Iece, what is your Amrun read?

[Nero Cain]

Did you try and protect Thad?

[Nero Cain]

and what's your Amrun read?

[Nero Cain]

I did something else

So now you have a 2nd power?

Why do you think Amrun is scum Nero?

'cause she rolled a serial killer role

[Nero Cain]

So you think its one mafia team with two kills?!?

[Nero Cain]

I suggested no thing you kooky Canuk.

[Nero Cain]

I'm pretty old school, when I see a second kill I'm likely to assume an SK/2nd scum team/vig. I HAVE been in gamees where scum has an extra kill but its always been one shot.

why sk? Why not other things?

What do you mean why not other things?

But I will say that it's extra weird to think Matt was the sk kill

??? He was killed last night so someone thought his reputation was enough to kill him or they thought he was fake claiming or something. Though I never said anything like that so I'm not sure what you are on about.

[Nero Cain]

Dude hasn't been online since June 3rd.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, why do you think I'm sk?

If Ghostlin flips red, Selkies is town. Period.

Mainly this. I mean, I'm town so I had no reason to think there was another color other than red in this game so to me, this doesn't seem like a town comment.

+

Like I said 2 kills makes me think sk

+

your #1 suspect died. I could see SK playing like a vig.

+

you implying that Matt is a stupid kill.

I've seen scum try and fake a third party before so I don't really care which faction you flip.

It's obviously a non-vanilla game sooo.

So you think Matt's town vanilla role is actually a pr?

Selk is my 2nd biggest scum read. Today FFery hasn't seemed like her normal aggressive self and ORC posted on this site 30 times while he was on "vacation" so this thread avoidance is really bothering me.

[Nero Cain]

yea, belli might be scum here. Fake claims for theme games are extremely common.

[Nero Cain]

The color thing is retarded

*shrugz* Maybe so. Both alignments say stupid things though and it was my initial gut reaction. Both Selk and GCBC thought it was a good enough question that you should answer it. Maybe one of those two were scum egging me on, idk.

The main question is if you ARE convinced I'm the sk, why the fuck are you advocating my lynch on day 2? Mafia would be far more important to town.

Scum is scum. I also think getting rid of an extra nightkill is a very good reason to kill the SK unless said SK is offering to be leashed but that proposition still scares me 'cause these aren't nomralish roles.

[Nero Cain]

b/c I'm voting other scum you kooky Canuk.

[Nero Cain]

"I've never had a mod PM me and say "Hey, Beliscum, here are some fake claims you can use and flavour to go with them.""

This is what makes me think scum on you b/c I can't think of a theme game that didn't have safe claims. I also nailed IAI scum in some WWE mafia game for saying the same thing but I do need to look through your games list and see if you've ever played a theme game before.

[Nero Cain]

hrmmm...looks like Belli has no theme games so he may just not know what he's talking about.

[Nero Cain]

Beli-no no no. MS is more likely town b/c she has flavor and hasn't read.

Amrun-but she could have a mod provided fakeclaim!!!

Beli-nope, I've never been given a fake claim.

hrmmm...I mean Beli could be lying and have a town read on MS 'cause he knows that she's town. But I don't think I like a Beli lynch for today.

Not really sure where he is going with the SK thing today... I would much rather lynch scum personally if we had a choice.

An SK is still scum you turds unless you are claiming that there is no sk and that your group is 3 mafia strong.

[Nero Cain]

If the mod is competent, they'll give safeclaims for a themed game the follows cannon. For a themed game like, CHK or Jason T there's no need.

[Nero Cain]

So what has Orc been saying in the hydra?

[Nero Cain]

He claimed 1 shot.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, do you have meta of SK hunting early game as town? As scum?

no and no.

Did you fakecrumb as mafia? They do do that ya know?

[Nero Cain]

Nero Cain, why are you voting for Amrun?

Amrun is some kind of scum. Weather its an SK or mafia I don't really care. Also of note is Beli, I mean I don't just go "a second kill, must be mafia!!" Occam's razor says no.

MAAAAYYYBE

its scum that's showing off his inside information.

Amrun>>selk>>beli>>GCBC

[Nero Cain]

When did I become a town read to you?

[Nero Cain]

What the fuck is this shit about me crumbing. Not an investigation role.

[Nero Cain]

His reasoning is pretty loopy, to me, and the fact that he now seems to be backtracking and including mafia is a possibility confuses me more

You said something which sounded suspicious to me, if you and Iece and whomever think its derpy to give my opinion then so be it. We also had two kills last night. The simplest answer says its a second kill from a second killing role like a SK or vig. I don't know how common a SK is is in mini's though.

Also the other WOT game had a sk and I think that was mini.

I seriously doubt we have multiscum in such a small game. I don't know the flavor... does that make sense? Are there two enemy groups?

How close are you paying attention here? There's been a bunch of talk about flavor.

Does it concern you that orcinus and I are taking even longer to vote?

For the record, I am concerned that you've been less aggressive then normal and Orc is lurking/ignoring this game.

Could be that the stuff that has bugged us about Amrun since about the start of day has to do with her thinking she'd been tracked.

Why would town be worried that they got tracked?

[Nero Cain]

Why would town be worried that they got tracked?

Why would scum trot out a fake claim with so little vote pressure?

Its 6 to lynch. She already has two votes and you've claimed that both you and Orc find her suspicious so that's 50%. + its not like scum don't fakeclaim early. Some of ya'll are claiming that Mara is scum, what's the difference between the two claims? + its not like she hard committed to a claim so she still has some flexibility, though she claimed an investigation type role so I doubt she'll be the lynch for today.

+ there's a history of scum claiming to have visited a body but not killed them so I'm on edge.

Amrun, what was your initial reaction to a second kill?

Can you tell me or quote your belli read?

[Nero Cain]

So you think the three scum are in this list?

sword of omens
GoodCop_BadCop
Iecerint
Demon

[Nero Cain]

Amrun, what was your initial reaction to a second kill?

Can you tell me or quote your belli read?

[Nero Cain]

yeah, after looking at some mini's a 3 man scum team makes more sense.

[Nero Cain]

vote:selk

this is who I want to kill today.

[Nero Cain]

I claimed to she'd light on Nero's alignment and motivation; entirely different

I call bullshit. What does your investigation role have to do with my alignment or motivation?

And yes, she's a claimed doc that lived past night 1 when a claimed PR DIDN'T! It has already been made clear by night play that she's scum!

You are a claimed PR, if you don't die tonight does that make you scum?

[Nero Cain]

I sound like do something. I'll post later I guess.

[Nero Cain]

I was town reading Mara 'cause she awkwardly claimed her role in Gears of War mafia much like she did here.

[Nero Cain]

My experience tells me scum should be pushing for a mislynch and town should be pushing for a scum lynch

this is fucking horrible.

also, RE the Awkward claim, I had soft-claimed my role under next to no pressure in a large game. not even lynch pressure, though I made the claim as a way to keep mafia away from me.

I was one-shot BP cop enabler

lol no. Goat had attacked you and then you were all like "of course you want to lynch me" which was so not a soft claim at all.

[Nero Cain]

So I dunno, he's still essentially sidelining his vote.

yep. I don't really like the THAD or Mara lynches.

Demon is meh. I mean back on day 1 I thought his vote on Mil was pretty opportunistic but he's been lurkish and nothing has really jumped out at me but then again I haven't really been that attentive this game so meh. Though there's still time and I'll try to focus on this game tomorrow before deadline.

[Nero Cain]

Nero sums it up pretty well. I like neither of the main wagons, nor the Demon wagon. If I had an idea for a better lynch I would be pushing it.

And yet you are blasting me for "sidelining my vote"? WTF is this shit?

[Nero Cain]

I still have time so not gonna hammer yet.

[Nero Cain]

THAD, who do you want dead if you should flip town?

[Nero Cain]

I like neither of the main wagons, nor the Demon wagon.

Just to clarify, out of those three I'd kill Demon. Though today is just meh for me.

When there were two night kills my mind immediately thought of an sk. Its the simplest explanation but I guess that an sk in a mini is rare so nope. Sometimes scum share their mechanics with the tow to look smart and perhaps Beli is doing so. I'm trying to figure out if his "I don't want to enter the dreamworld 'cause I might die!" is scum scarred of death or town trying to use a gamebreakish strat to help town.

[Nero Cain]

of course you would want me gone Goat, without me the cops cant work and get get a guilty result on you and your teammates. You also wouldn't be able to kill me at night so the only real way to get me out of the game is to lynch me. that's not going to happen

That's Mara's awkward as fuck claim in GOW mafia, can someone explain to me the difference between what Mara did here?

Do you think Mara if faking town meta?

[Nero Cain]

lol. That's kind of hard to believe that Fery wouldn't notice the difrence in user name.

vote:Selk

[Nero Cain]

Sillier then you reading a game that the player here obviously wasn't in?

[Nero Cain]

That's kind of hard to believe that Fery wouldn't notice the difrence in user name.

Not at all, it's very subtle.

The difference in avatar is not so subtle, but viewing that as a scumtell is pretty fatuous.

The avatar has nothing to do with it. A simple click of our GCBC's topics would tell you this is wrong. This is like the dumbest shit ever.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, explain how this could be anything other than a dumb mistake? If we knew we were isoing someone else, what would possess me to post it? On what planet would I expect no one to notice?

'cause it accomplishes a big ball of nothing. Its nothing more then a "hey guize! Look @ us we soooo pro-town" and it doesn't really have any negative consequences.

I think a large part of the problem is that Orc was not in that game and that its not listed on GCBC's topics list so it looks like Orc attempting to dig up bullshit. The only other thing I can think of is that Mara told Orc (and Mara was confused) and no one bothered to fact check it.

[Nero Cain]

That's kind of hard to believe that Fery wouldn't notice the difrence in user name.

Not at all, it's very subtle.

The difference in avatar is not so subtle, but viewing that as a scumtell is pretty fatuous.

The avatar has nothing to do with it. A simple click of our GCBC's topics would tell you this is wrong. This is like the dumbest shit ever.

you are actually the most ridiculously easy mislynch to push right now

it really is a pity we're not scum this game

-o

how does this make any fucking sense as a reply? It doesn't.

[Nero Cain]

don't Nero me you scummy pineapple.

Also, STFU SOO. I'm town and you'll have to get over me making fun of your boyfriend.

Scum is probs Selk/Mara/Beli

Lets all lynch from Selk/Mara.

[Nero Cain]

Orc/selk what 2 scum games did I replace out of?

[Nero Cain]

what were your other results?

[Nero Cain]

And why do you want to hear from me?

[Nero Cain]

Orc/selk what 2 scum games did I replace out of?

[Nero Cain]

Orc, using the WWE game and not realizing that it was not this GCBC is still dumb as fuck.

vote:Mara

[Nero Cain]

unvote

still don't have a town read on you but I'll let things simmer.

We should mass claim.

[Nero Cain]

GCBC-Why did you claim that Thad has a role like yours?

[Nero Cain]

I'd actually prefer to hear the claims of the 4 "lurkers" first. In what order they go, I don't care.

[Nero Cain]

iece, your up

[Nero Cain]

Claim Demon, then I will.

[Nero Cain]

Why, upon a re-read, do we have you claiming to have re-directed Demon last night paired with this post from nero cain?

And why do you want to hear from me?

This looks to me like Nero was re-directed last night. Tell me the odds of two re-directs in a single night. Because this doesn't add up. At all.

Would you stop assuming things? You've already fucked the town over once.

Yes, I thought that Selk sent me the ring.

[Nero Cain]

Who did you redirect, Selk?

[Nero Cain]

to whom?

[Nero Cain]

ok

[Nero Cain]

yes, Nero still needs to claim.

I am Gawyn Trakand and am a bodyguard.

Now I realize that this is similar to Mara and I thought about CCing here. (Two protective roles in a mini?) but I didn't really want to play out guess the mod 'cause that usually ends badly. But it looks like Mara is scum anyways and so in hindsight, I should have claimed earlier.

I protected Mara n1 and SOO n2

Also, if someone could be a dear and put all the claims in a single post for me. I'll likely give you some town cred.

[Nero Cain]

Wat?

you were town-reading me because of my awkward claim...

I don't think I buy two protective roles existing in a Mini Nero, it doesn't make sense at all to me. Why would the mod put a body-guard and a Doc in the same game?

Why havn't you commented on Demon?

So you are claimed scum. awesome.

I just got out of a mini (or maybe it was a micro? It was 9 players) with two town cops. I don't think playing outguessing the mod is a good idea.

Your awkward claim did play a part in my town read of you but I also know that you try and emulate your town play as scum (or so I read once)

If you honestly think that I, as scum, would fake claim a 2nd protective role when I knew the whole "2 protective roles in a mini?!?" discussion would arise then you are a

moron

scum.

Demon could be scum I guess but for some reason he's not high on my lynch list. But today we're either lynching you or Selk. That's what needs to happen today.

vote:Mara

[Nero Cain]

Nero already has connections to GCBC

what in the hell is this?

+

@Selkies - I think that Demon is town IFF he took the action he has claimed. This is because scum blocking GCBC last night doesn't really make much sense with a claimed doc and a claimed cop AFAICT.

This is pretty dumb. If they were killing the cop why would he block it?

[Nero Cain]

no
I figured you were prob town.

[Nero Cain]

....................................................................................................

Free town points to anyone that tells me why this post blows.

last vote count shows me not voting so

vote: Mara

help me lynch scum, SOO.

[Nero Cain]

no I didn't. I answered the questions that SOO asked me you scummy lil' pineapple. I think you were being intentionally dense here.

[Nero Cain]

dat OMGUS.

Mara

lies

about me answering a question that was directed at her and then doesn't say "well I goofed/misread etc." which means she was lying on purpose.

Then she OMGUSLY votes me. My role is listed as modified bodyguard. When I first claimed I didn't claim modified 'cause I dunno, I wanted to try and fool scum some kinda way and then when SOO asked me I figured well, I figured if I did block a kill and then didn't die it might be too suspicious for town. Thought I DO eventully die, at the end of the next dayphase but I don't die immediately.

Which actually brings up a good question. How did you know to ask me that, SOO?

[Nero Cain]

What seemed to change your mind on me? As i was pretty high up on your list of suspects...
Also, I’m pretty sure you were still town reading Mara at the time? You can see how your choice of me seems strange, right?

I don't exactly trust anyone in this game. It seemed like everyone but me was scumreading Mara so it made me doubt my townread. It looked like Mara was going to be lynchable and I don't think scum would shoot at that. I also felt like you were a town read for the majority soI figured that protecting you had a better chance of stopping the kill.

[Nero Cain]

nice deflect Nero...

When did I deflect?

But not claiming “modified” because you wanted to trip

us

scum somehow? What does that even mean? How would that trip up scum? First you claim body guard…Then you say No you don’t die…Then you say that actually, you do die, but not til later?

Us scum?

I just think it would be funny if I was alive the next day.

From my prospective, if I had claimed that I died and didn't die if I blocked a kill then ya'll would be all up in arms. So I choose to tell the truth and claim that I don't die if I block a kill...'cause I don't and by the time I die at the end of the next day, it'll be a non-issue.

now please answer my damn question on how you came to the conclusion that I was probably town and decided to doc me, when you had me as a scum read and Mara (a claimed doc ) as a town read?

I did but obviously my read on Mar was wavering hence my vote this game (and for some reason my first vote on Mara didn't count) I don't understand if you are now so concerned about my not town read on Mara, why did you not call me out when I first attacked Mara at the beginning of the day?

What prompted you to ask me the question about weather I live or die? It almost looks to me like you knew my role.

[Nero Cain]

You’re a body guard with a delayed death should your protect be successful. Essentially, a bodyguard but with a bit of extra power. Is this correct?

yes

But you didn’t claim day one when mara claimed doc. Nor did you claim D2 when she lived through the night. But day three, during massclaim, you claim bodyguard but not your exact role until you get pushed on. First you’re a bodyguard, then a doc (bodyguard that won’t die is a doc folks) then modified bodyguard. This worries me greatly.

Nero, can you clarify with more detail exactly why you chose to wait until D3 to claim?

'cause there wasn't a reason to claim? I already specifically stated that a claim from me would nothing but more then outguessing the mod which is something that I'm not interested in. Why do you think that I didn't protect Mara night 2? There's reason for scum to not kill certain roles 'cause it creates a lot of WIFOM.

I never claimed Doc. I told the truth b/c I DON'T die that night like a normal BG.

Why do you think that SOO would know to ask me about that?

[Nero Cain]

So scum don't crumb? That's a dumb argument. Inventors are usually town but a mod would have the ability to make a scum inventor.

Why do you think that SOO knew to ask my about weather I lived or died? That seems funky as hell to me.

[Nero Cain]

but I didn't claim any modifications but he still knew to ask me about them?

just seems weird to me. Anyways, moar Mara votes.

[Nero Cain]

But to your question about whether the inventor could be scum, a few things...

-1. like I asked is there any way the inventor character would be scum? Or is there another "inventor" candidate that could make the claim a fake-claim?

- 2. Why would scum give town a one-shot like a redirect?

???????

I never asked you if an inventor could be scum. I also added numbers.

1. I don't remember you asking this, but I don't know flavor well enough to speculate on this.

2. I'm not even voting for SOO

[Nero Cain]

So scum don't crumb? That's a dumb argument. Inventors are usually town but a mod would have the ability to make a scum inventor.

Why do you think that SOO knew to ask my about weather I lived or died? That seems funky as hell to me.

Seemed to be implied in the bolded, Nero. If you're not questioning whether SoO is town, I'm not sure what you are doing?[/quote]
I guess that maybe I could see it that way. But it was a reply to your "I'm townreading SOO 'cause he crumbed. And its not an impossibility for scum to crumb, maybe less likely but not impossible.

[Nero Cain]

?????????????

So I changed my mind on Mara. How is the world is that suspicious?

[Nero Cain]

Why do you think that I didn't protect Mara night 2 and then call Mara scum right out the gate on day 3?

Fucking facepalm yourself.

[Nero Cain]

Because you're scum, and probably not with Mara?

ThAd's flip wouldn't have provided you any additional information if you already thought all three of you were plausibly town.

I'm on the verge on tears 'cause you are so dumb. There's no way that I'm scum. But you've pretty much made up your mind that I'm scum s even if Demon does flip scum then town has no chance of winning so thank you for being a 4th member of the scum team.

Even if I'm wrong and demon is scum then one of Selk/GCBC is probs a buddy that's bussing/distancing.

I was town reading Demon 'cause Mara was attacking him. Maybe that's a sign of buddy play, idk.

Selk, why do you think that its a stretch for me to suspect a scum a scum inventor? Not that I do but why do you think that would be a stretch?

[Nero Cain]

You really think that Demon is scum and he doesn't have a buddy on his wagon?

So do you think its just a two-man team with a dreamwalk SK?

[Nero Cain]

No, I doubt that. But I don't see how you figure me for his buddy. I'm the one who wanted votes on him so he'd fucking claim. I redirected him on himself because over night 2 orcinus and I decided he was our top pick for scum. I can see thinking that we are scum and are trying to force a mislynch on demon. I cannot see how you'd conclude we could be scumbuddies.

So...who is the scumbuddy? Iece? GCBC?

have no clue what your post means, Beli.

[Nero Cain]

You aren't blond so no, I don't think you are that ditzy. What did you think was all that writing with question marks? Die liar scum.

I don't know the setup. BTW, Emp was the one that ran the mini game with two cops. So there's no reason to go "OHH U SKUM 'CAUSE WE CAN'T HAS 2 "DOCS"".

I don't die WHEN I protect someone, I die when the end of the next day.

[Nero Cain]

So the million dollar question becomes...Mara has been calling Demon scum all game long but now all the sudden she's tentative to vote? Is this buddy play?

[Nero Cain]

dat Mexican standoff!

[Nero Cain]

selk, GCBC and Mara?

[Nero Cain]

Meh, Iece is scummy I guess but its not like anyone is really filling me with town vibes this game. I was town reading Iece for what may seem to be a stupid reason but given that I was town reading Mara for faking her town meta, I could equally be wrong on Iece.

[Nero Cain]

grrrr.

good win by scum. That bus is what won it.