Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[sword_of_omens]

Hey all!!
Sorry for the late start..
back from v/la and glad to see that this is up and running…

reading up….

Personally, I don’t like it when people claim VT right out of the gate.
However, my experience with Matt says that his claim really doesn’t really mean anything either way for him. I’d rather give him the benefit for now…

So far I like Demon for town (while I don’t fully agree with his #23, I do like him for it)
I am also liking Selkies (mainly Fferry’s #96)

Milkshakes’ #75 is pretty bad…his reasoning for trying to start a Matt wagon seems pretty opportunistic…also noted is that he refrained from voting MattP. Even after he tries to start fueling a wagon by pushing Nero to vote Matt based on his “worst case we lynch a VT”. He then states that he was just trying to get Nero’s opinion and that he still sees merit in moving towards a MattP lynch… yet still no vote for him? Milkshake, why are you so affraid to back your reasoning with a vote?

VOTE: Milkshake

**** L-1 *****

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Hey all... it's my birthday and my buddies r surprised me and rented out a beach house on the water..
B een here drinking all dayso I am vla through till Thursday..when I get back...

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on my phone...
coming back from fibishing up my trip...

hey Miss Des:
how do you go from this:

I actually like Omens post, it has good questions and I feel that his vote is one of the few on the wagon that has some merit

to this:

I'll talk to HD about where to place our vote, but right now my favorite people to vote are Ghost, Demon,

and SoO

with no in between?

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ugh...sorry guys...nursing a serious hangover today...
i apologize to Ceph and the other players for lurking like a mother this past week...
should be back into the groove on Monday with all of my B-day excursion-whoring behind me...

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hey all...
i'm back for good now...
will be doing a full catch up today and should be regularily contributing going forward now that i'm back to my normal life...

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post incoming...

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Unvote:

for now…

Ok…first of all Let me Address the Subjects , questions, And/Or comments sent to me…

I am intrigued by SoO's promises of catch-ups and regular contributions.
Please do not forget to happen.
/drunkpost

You know that I’m good for it, Iece…also..i’ll come back to you in a bit…

Why does sword of omens have 3 votes on him?

Simplified, is that I am scum who regurgitated the case on Milkshake so I could have a validated reason to bus my partner (or quick-lynch a townie) and appear town at the same time by placing him at L-1 Yes? Another vote for me being lurky-lurk McLurkin. And one is a pressure vote waiting for a catch-up… Let me know if I’m wrong on any of this…

@Miss Des

Don't remember, but it wouldn't be the first time I had a sudden change in opinion on my scum-spects, you specifically

No worries, it’s not even a real maf game unless you call me scum
although you have to admit that the transition from your #153 to your #215 with no in-between, was bad…

@Ghostlin:

SOO's vote almost exactly echoes the reasoning provided by the rest of town. In that, it's completely unnecessary, Amrun
If Milkshake is scum, then SOO could very easily be bussing her as scum.
If Milkshake is town and I don't believe she is, then SOO could be scum to get her wagon off.
Either way, I feel that he didn't share anything we didn't already accuse Milkshake of,

and I feel he could be smart enough to USE L-1 in that manner.

Curious here, Gostlin…I don’t remember playing in a game with you before…so why would you feel that I am smart enough to use L-1 in “that matter”? Especially since I don’t have much post history in this game to compare it to…Also, if you’ve ever heard Nero tell it , he would say I am a shit player who needs other people to stick up for me . Please correct me if I’m wrong, Nero…Also, how exactly is my vote unnecessary again? Just because it echoes other people?

Ok, then...shall we apply your same logic to you and GCBC?
You state in your #118 that my vote is a “follow the leader” vote and that you have your eye on me.
GoodCop comes in, touches on, and goes into detail about my “follow the leader” vote. States that I am the most suspicious (as you did) and also soft defends “your vote” on the milkshake wagon, by saying: “I would love to hear why

both

Miss Destroyer and Milkshake feel that Ghostlin's vote is most scummy out of the six”. Afterwards, he states a theory:

Sword's vote makes sense as scum, regardless of Milkshake's alignment. As Milk-scum, its a convenient bus-vote placement so early on in the day. As Milk-Town, its an important vote to solidify Milk's position for lynch-candidacy, and if he (SwordofOmens) were lucky a quick-lynch

Wait a minute…that sounds vaguely familiar…
Hmm…where I have I seen that before?
Oh...yeah, you later stated the EXACT same thing here:

SOO's vote almost exactly echoes the reasoning provided by the rest of town. In that, it's completely unnecessary, Amrun.
If Milkshake is scum, then SOO could very easily be bussing her as scum.
If Milkshake is town and I don't believe she is, then SOO could be scum to get her wagon off.
Either way, I feel that he didn't share anything we didn't already accuse Milkshake of, and I feel he could be smart enough to USE L-1 in that manner.

Oh no! you are using someone else's point to call me scum...in the wise words of GCBC:

Not that agreeing with others' opinions or ideas is scummy, but if that is what you are doing, why not just say so instead of write a paragraph explaining your vote?

Holy shit, we're all scum! So shouldn't he be voting for you too, now? No?
Instead GCBC stops in just long enough in his #299 to once again defend you, Ghost…and wraps it in a nice bow stating that “Amrun is misrepping you..cause he knows what you mean to say, right?
So, there you have it…easy peasy…scum found...

@Iecerint -

I am worried about you and I would actually like to see some better content…you play well as town and I’m not really seeing it here…Why is your vote on me, especially after your #173? I want to know why I am suspect, considering you came back stated (#176) that my L-1 vote didn’t mean anything to you either way. And I don’t see anything in there from you where you explain what changed your mind?
To clarify: you state that “Milk is particularily scummy” ….you don’t feel my L-1 vote is alignment indicative (which I’d agree with) and doesn’t sway you either way with me…
only that my vote is more questionable than Ghostlin’s….
So…you are mainly voting me (over your top scum pick) because of a “more” questionable vote?


Damn this is taking longer than I expected….gotta run to lunch, I’ll finish up a later and throw my vote down after i touch on a few others...…

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grrr... damn double post...

@Mod - CAn you delete one of those please?

Yep.

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I think you have gotten some pronouns from my 176 mixed-up.

ahhh...ok..my bad...i did mess that last part up on your 176, thinking the "less telling" was about me....
cool...that actually makes me feel much better about you...so strike my "i am worried about you" comment...

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hey all, prod dodge...

saw some questions addressed to me which i will answer as soon as i can get a second to post...

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i'm here..
post coming up...
I'll address you in a sec, Ghost...

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SoO, any reason you didn't lay down a vote last time?

Short version:
I had run out of time while writing up my post and planned to come back and finish it up with a second post and a vote.
However afterwards, some shit came up and I didn’t have time to write everything up.

Continuing on:

Milkshake has become a town read for me since my last vote. I did like his 130, and his 170 makes sense when you look at his previous posts..his most recent posts have good content with decent observations. I also liked his #449 which reads genuine to me…

@Ghostlin -
First of all, you didn’t answer my question:

Curious here, Gostlin…I don’t remember playing in a game with you before…so why would you feel that I am smart enough to use L-1 in “that matter”? Especially since I don’t have much post history in this game to compare it to…Also, if you’ve ever heard Nero tell it , he would say I am a shit player who needs other people to stick up for me . Please correct me if I’m wrong, Nero…Also, how exactly is my vote unnecessary again? Just because it echoes other people?

So please do….


Second of all:

Let me make sure this is documented here in this thread: SOO claims he knows who the scumteam is and then DOESN'T FUCKING VOTE THEM. Yeah, yeah he's trying to catch up or some shit like that, but if he was afraid of a quick lynch on me for example, he could of kept a vote on GCBC to respond to.

Let me be clear: there's no fucking reason to 'call it' and then not vote. It's against your wincon. You are trying to lynch scum and convince others to do the same. It's akin to not scum hunting because you obviously don't believe you've got it well enough to even be arsed to have people follow you.

Heh..that’s a bunch of shit…I was sarcastically pointing out to you how flawed your logic was and you know it (as shown by my “Holy Shit , we are all scum!”) …i also did not get to finish my original post…(as I clearly stated in that post)

But sure, let me touch a little more on you for a minute:
Your blatant crumbs were bad. I thought long and hard on you to try and figure out the motivation behind it…
There are 2 options here:
1. you could be town horribly crumbing your role for god knows why.
2. you could scum trying to town to obv-crumb to look town.

If it was 1 and you were town, then please pray tell…look at Milk’s ISO and tell me again why you think he is scum.
Seriously, I want you to start at #130. And then tell me...You would see it if you were town…
And what would be the point of obv-crumbing so blatantly as town? I can't find a single one....at all…

Here’s what I think Ghost…
I think you are scum….
In fact, i’d bet a kingdom on it…

You are scum trying to crumb your shit to appear obv-town and draw out town PR’s.
IF you WERE town, and had read that town PM, then you would know WHY it would be a BAD BAD BAD idea to do what you did.

VOTE: Ghostlin

Is that good enough for you?



As far as my wagon goes ? It’s pretty much shit…
Iece is the only one who’s legit on my wagon, as he asked for more content from me..he knows how I play, so I see this as town vote..
Everyone else’s is for shit reasoning…
GCBC has had his shit parked on me since #131
Matt’s vote....parked...
And Nero’s the type to vote me just to vote me…

Rest of my reads for those that care:

Milk

- is town.

Iece

- is town.

Amrun

- worries me…I always have a hard time reading her…and I don’t know what to think of her exchange with Ghost just yet…

GCBC

-is probably town, as much as I don’t care for his posting, he did defend Ghost and I doubt he’d tie himself to scum this early…

Nero

- will take a bit of time for me to read…

Ms Des

– I have her (sorry HD, I think of MsM as the main head here) as null, leaning scum…she gets pretty flippant with her replies as scum (like she did with me above)…

Selkies

– I still like Selkies for town

Matt

– is null.

ThAd

– has been pretty quiet so far which I don’t like…he mainly only touched on Milk and Selkies,(said he was tempted to vote on Selkies) yet votes on AMrun for no real reason..then when that gets attention, he moves it back to Milk…i would put him in my possible scum pile…

Belis

– meh..not sure….he’s pretty much posted a bunch of….well nothing…

Demon

– I still have him in my town pile…

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also

@Mod: ...Holiday weekend..
so i will be V/LA

i'll pop in by phose as avail..

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fine by me you if you want to be a little shit about it...

you ain't town cause if you were and you read your shit you'd know what you did..


walker my ass...

confirm vote: Ghost

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Heh…

and I don't do this as town?
anyway, I'm not liking your push on Ghost and I'm curious to why you choose to push him over me. You have never been shy to attack me when you are town, why aren't you pushing me now Swords?

Yes, you know I’m not shy about it…I haven’t gone after you because you haven’t been very active. You only have the few posts..You do seem to get more arrogant as scum and aren’t afraid to post..however, this game, you’ve mainly sidelined (mostly because of your other head from what you say) so I’m not 100% sure on you…now that that you will be posting more, I expect to get a good read on you. Where as with Ghostlin, I’m more certain...

speaking of “why aren’t you voting me’s” ..his case is more applicable with me:

Let me make sure this is documented here in this thread: SOO claims he knows who the scumteam is and then

DOESN'T FUCKING VOTE THEM.

Yeah, yeah he's trying to catch up or some shit like that, but if he was afraid of a quick lynch on me for example, he could of kept a vote on GCBC to respond to.

Let me be clear: there's no fucking reason to 'call it' and then not vote. It's against your wincon. You are trying to lynch scum and convince others to do the same. It's akin to not scum hunting because you obviously don't believe you've got it well enough to even be arsed to have people follow you

Tell you what. LYNCH ME. I FUCKING DARE YOU. We can make this 1v1 anytime you want, SOO. Any. Fucking. Time.

There's some juicy bullshit in SOO's reads, and we'll talk about his scum slots here in a second.

It's horrible. He's calling the scum team one post, calling GCBC Town now because 'he doubts he'd tie himself to scum this early'; and he comes back with two null-scum reads and me. It's asinine.

All of the effort he expends on me…yet his vote is for Belis:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ThAdmiral
What's wrong with talking a lot?

This is almost RVSy
But anyways, Amrun, Milkshake, and Ghostlin are solid town.
Can we just lynch Beli now

It's scary how I agree with both of these. Also liking Amrun's push on Ad.
Unvote, Vote: Beliscum

I also still want to hang you {Belis}, since this still isn't scum hunting but attacking my credibility.

EBWOP: Alright 'attacking' is the wrong word. More to the point of 'questioning my credibility to pursue this point'.

because of a ThAd vote…oh and because Beli questions his credibility? really?

My main beef with Ghostlin is this:
His hints weren’t for generic town…they were for specific people. Based on the info in my pm, I’m fairly certain scum know about these specific people. So, considering Ghostlin is “one of these” and advertising as such (knowing that scum would be looking for this type) why would he blatantly crumb this? To put a target on himself? No…bottom line is, he wouldn’t..whereas scum could easily do this to draw out those same people.

Plus, really, LOL I'M A NEWB? Horrible, scummy defense.

I’ve never once claimed Newb. So sorry, but no.

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Keep talking MsM...looks like I might have been right about you after all…

Between the three main wagon, I don't think I can get on the Thad wagon. I don't understand the Premise behind that one at all, he hasn't done anything to standoutish to me

and I think I'm thinking the same thing he is RE Omens

Which is what exactly?

I still don't get the soo wagon. If it's a choice between him and beli I'm voting beli.
Is there any chance of getting the milk wagon going again? Can't for the life of me understand how people are townreading him

I'd be willing to get on sword of omens now tbh

Cause he doesn’t really say why…

Also…
I find it strange that you kept putting Ghost at the front of all of your scum reads, yet you never once mentioned intention to vote for him..You mentioned wanting to vote for Demon and myself, but not once on Ghost…Then you say you didn’t like my push on Ghost (a scum read of yours)..and then he suddenly disappears from your reads altogether until later you say this:

550 makes me thing Ghost is town, I really cannot see town making that kind of statement

Now, I’m not sure I follow you here…what exactly about 550 is town? Cause I really don’t see it:

Two more things I forgot in my last post:
1) Apparently I'm not allowed to pressure someone else while voting Beli, particularly since Beli's not giving us much to interact with. In his wall post where he quotes me he mentions everything I dislike about his posts and why I didn't vote him.
Cupcake, the mod didn't give me the coveted triple voter role to cover you, Milkshake, and Beli all at the same time. Why don't you work on that for me?

I’ve never once claimed Newb. So sorry, but no.

No, but you did claim that I couldn't know that you've played enough mafia games to know Town perception because we've never played in a game together.
Which is asinine because you've been around a bit. You were here when I was last here before my hiatus. I presume you didn't stop playing games when I did.

I'm not catching the Crumbs your talking about.

Heh.. déjà vu….i guess this is a repeat of Pokemon, huh?

Now I'm def's not going to vote Thad, I mean who the hell puts down a vote on someone who soft's a PR?

Umm..is this a double standard here? Cause that’s what you were planning to do without a second thought… I think it’s funny that you would try to use that as your main reason not to vote ThAd..

SoO, it looks like you were bothered by Ghostlin's indicating that you didn't vote in your post, but it didn't bother you when I basically asked you the same question (albeit in a much less inflammatory fashion)?

Reposting this for SoO

Your question didn’t bother me because of the way it was asked, and that I saw you as the town on my wagon..you know how I play and I saw it as you trying to get a better read on me..whereas Ghostlin was just being an ass about it..he was claiming that I was calling out the scum team but not voting when he knew damn well I was being sarcastic..so yeh, his statement bothered me a bit more than yours. Although, I think it’s totally sweet that he wants me to be his little cupcake…


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TLDR:
So yeh...liking my reads where they are
I don’t like the association between MsM and ThAd either..
She states that she originally likes my initial vote on Milkshake..i get heat from a few people for it saying that I’m copyrighting over their reasons. She then backs off and calls me scum for attacking Ghost (her scumread) and states that she’s in agreement with ThAd about me (Which ThAd never even clarified his reasoning). She conveniently puts Ghost as her first choice in scum, yet never once votes for him, or even mentions wanting to vote for him. But instead later comes back and states that he’s town for a post about not being able to triple vote. In her #578 She also states that she doesn’t understand the ThAd wagon, and is looking for a reason to stay off of it , which she conveniently finds in her #599, however, she has already mentioned that she would be moving her vote to a soft-claimed, which is pretty hypocritical. And yes, she knows damn well Demon is not getting lynched today…

I’m good with Ghost and MsM with ThAd being distant third…
i think ThAd has a better chance of flipping scum if MsM does...
Apparently no one is listening to me about Ghost…
And I’d prefer MsM over ThAd…

Unvote:

Vote: MsM

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Why aren't we lynching SoO?

probably because i am town.

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GTFO, you know I'm a better scum-player than that

not necessarily..i caught you last time didn't i?
and don’t try to play it down as “awkward”….
ThaD's a pretty decent scum player..i could see you wanting to keep him around if he's your buddy..

As far as the 1v1 , and finding me scummier..you never did give a reason for that…
Only that you agreed with ThAd’s reasons (which, funny enough, he didn’t give any )

who was the PR soft I was going to vote?

So..you’re claiming you’re smart as scum, but dumb as town?

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Also,

@Mod: i will be on my weekend V/LA starting in another couple of hours or so...due to deadline, i'll make sure to find a place to check in though...

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not necessarily..i caught you last time didn't i?

Uhh... yeah, but you couldn't get anyone else to believe you

nice....i like how you're trying to flaunt it...too good to get caught...yup..you really are scum this game...

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I like Milk paring of a Beli/Thad team but her dumb push to get me to vote for Matt is hard to ignore.

You said you like the pairing of Beli/ThAd, yet you didn't put Belis in your scum pot?
Are you saying you only think Belis is scum if ThAd flips scum?

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give me a frickin' moment to respond...
i'm at work..as you well know...
how can i be ignoring you if you don't give me more than a minute to reposnd....

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no, and why ignore the rest of my post?

Because you are scum..you get overly cocky as scum and you're doing it here...
do you want me to touch on everything? Fine.

and despite me wanting my buddies around, I never outright defend them, nor have I ever called my buddies town. I havn't even called Skrew town and I bussed what'shisface

Yes, but soft defend…that’s what you are doing here…and yes you did it with Skrew..
As far as bussing whatsisface..you were told to bus him in the scum QT..

Your response to me being scummier in 1v1 reasoning is a cop-out:

Swords, I initially liked your reason because it was the most detailed on of those on the Milkshake wagon and I had glazed through it. there are nearly 2 pages of between those two posts you have stated and a few people have made good points on you as well, which caused me to reconsider. That, and I had taken a closer look at that post and realized it wasn't as good as I had originally thought

Like i said previously in #614...you thought i was good until people gave me heat, and then you tried to back-track like your hair was on fire...

and no, Thad didn't give reasonings in thread but looking at what happened when he stated that he would be willing to vote you gave me the impression that something you did made you look scummier, and it was around the time I started feeling more certain that you were scum

So “something” i did must have made me look scummier to ThAd..and you agree with that reasoning...yet you don’t know what that “something” is...ok.

as for the 1v1, I feel like you chose the easiest attack of your three "suspects"

Yeh...considering i had more on Ghost, why wouldn’t i go after him? You were sidelining and as i said, i need you to post more to get a read on you because you DO get a lot more cocky as scum, and ThAd was questionable with not a lot to go on...

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Wait...

Dream-walker...

now I'm even more confused on the thing between you and Ghost, the two of you are walkers and I'm pretty sure all the walkers are town, so what were you trying to say swords?

yeh...I think you are being deliberately dense here...
I said it the way I did for a reason...
There are dangerous beings that walk Tel' aran' rhiod..
Moghedien being one of them... other Forsaken...and not to mention good ol' Luc, The Slayer...

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checking in on my phone...

@Nero
I have milk as town now..I've actually liked his later posting, but mainly its for something he said in one of his posts..i could point it out if I need to but I'd prefer not to just yet....

Thad could still go either way for me..he's usually pretty nonchalant as scum and can talk a good game. I didn't like his strange vote and unvote on amrun, like I said before, I think he has a better chance of being sum of MsM flips sum... his behavior seems wierd this game...

MsM

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augh I hate my phone...

MsM- are you saying you have played a Wheel of time game before, then ? Can you link it please?
can you please link it?

@Ghistlin- look at 171 and please tell me what you see...

@ThAd - do you have a 3rd party game of yours that you could link me to?






guys... I'm pretty darn certain MsM is scum

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Unvote:

Milk, what is the reasoning flavor for your ability?

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Because Nyvene is a Doctor, and I'm not playing Dumb

and I did press you, but then you ended up disappearing.

You think everything I do is Scummy Orci.

@MsM - please point out what post were addressing here for the above bolded?

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What was the point of unvoting MsM?

i'll explain after i hear from Milkshake...

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I'll high light the problems with this post, SOO. The thing I'm most concerned with. Tell me if you have the same concerns I do.

yes, actually..that's what i was mainly talking about...i figured scum would know about that, whereas he doesn't.
however, now i'm not so sure...as i really, really, really do not like Milk's claim...

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My ability makes sense for my character…and I have a quick blurb about it in my PM

MsM’s ability makes sense for her character – In the series, Nynaeve, is a healer first and foremost.
I will say that I did not like at all the way MsM claimed…first she claims early and also gets the name wrong…she later corrects it but then types it wrong again…also her “Because Nynaeve is a Doctor post” seemed way out of place… I don’t see any particular post she was replying to with that…it was as if someone with flavor knowledge told her to say that and she just threw it in somewhere…Coupled with her other stuff that I had already mentioned does make for a good scum pick, however, I’d rather not lynch her on Day1 on the off chance that she is in fact a doctor…

Milkshakes ability does NOT make sense for his character..Siuan Sanche was The Amrylin Seat (Head of the White Tower) and a powerful channeler who was “stilled” (her channeling abilities were taken from her) and deposed. It was thought that there was no way to heal a woman after being “stilled”, however, Nynaeve found a way and did it. So Suian got her abilty back (however it was much, much weaker than she originally had) and she became an advisor of sorts. She would not be able to modify anyone’s abilities..as she doesn’t have much channeling power at all…

I’d be willing to lynch Milkshake now

PEDIT: was it?

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@ThAd, that's convenient...
setting it up in your first post of the day, even...
let me guess...MsM doc'd you, right? Of course she did...

What i want to know is why you felt the need to share that part of it considering there were 2 kills last night?
why not just leave it at "i'm a commuter and i tried to draw the NK?" There's no real reason to bring up that last bit..especially with your first post...you know people are going to ask how you know you were targetted...
So why claim now?

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Also..i was trying to make sense out of the NK’s…

Matt was pretty much non-existent on D1…his death doesn’t really make sense as a scum or SK kill…more of a vig, I would think…however, there is his death flavor..the only person I can think of that burned things was Ishamael (the most powerful of the Forsaken)..he liked to appear with his eyes and mouth looking like a furnace of flames…he was killed, but brought back by the Dark One as Morridin…so most likely it was a maf kill…The only people Matt showed interest in lynching were Selkies, me, and Milkshake, and it also looks like he might have had doubts about Amrun…
So there could possibly be something in there…

Ghost’s kill flavor looks to be Balefire…a power that erases a being from the very fabric of time itself, leaving nothing at all.. Not even The Dark One could bring anyone back from a Balefire Death..only a handful of people even dare use it…some are good and some are bad..If it was an SK, then it might have been Mazrim Taim (the M’Hael) as he used Balefire.


gonna re-read a few things...and come back..

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could be you're right...
although i thought maybe it was the echo of her last words that they heard seeing as she simply "vanished"...
depending on how much Balefire is used, there might not be a reversing..and it was just an ending..
also The dreamworld normally leaves "bodies" in the real world once they are killed...

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checking in on phone...
@MsM - Beli had a decent point about it possibly being dream related... the dreamworld is dangerous and if you die there, then you die in real life...
I still think it could have been balefire... seeing as how the body disappeared altogether...but I've already explained that and so did Beli...

@Amrun- pretty sure there are multiple "commuters" in this game.. although I wouldn't say they are "full" commuters...

id still like ThAd to answer my question...

[sword_of_omens]

heheh...ThAd's not scum...

Vote: Amrun

[sword_of_omens]

Beli...
quick question to you:
If you don't think the Mod gives out fakecalaims, then why do you doubt ThAd's claim? Someone would have to have some pretty big balls to fake-claim Matt, as he would definitely be in the game..
Also, you know for a fact (since you are familiar with the books) that Matt would know whether or not the One Power was used on him..
Also, Matt's "commuting" is to a different place other than the "dream world"...so if anyone would be a "real" commuter , it would be him...all of this you should know...yet you still call for his head?

Vote: Beli

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Yes, but Matrim is a very major player in the books...you think scum would chance that he's not in the game this early? Really?
Considering you don't think scum are given fake-claims, i don't see how you would think this...

[sword_of_omens]

I KNOW THIS....
what i'm saying is that BELI DOESN'T BELlEVE THIS...
so his logic isn't making sense...
Matt is a Major character...he was one of the 3 main characters that the Forsaken actively hunted after to try and kill...
If scum do not get fake claims (according to Beli) then why would they chance an early Matt fake-claim?
They wouldn't...

[sword_of_omens]

@ Selkies - i KNOW that..what i'm saying is look at it from Beli's point of view..not mine...not yours...HIS logic doesn't make sense...
He has shown that he knows the flavor pretty well...He thinks that scum do not get fake claims...so why would scum Fakeclaim a huuuuge main character this early in the game? One that most likely would be in the game? From his point of view it should be a extremely ballsy gamble, yet he doesn't bat an eye...Whether the Mod gives' fakeclaims or not isn't the point here...its WHY Beli thinks it's fake...

[sword_of_omens]

My logic doesn't make sense if one accepts your stipulation that Mat (and by extension, the other 2 main ta'veren) are definitely in this game, which as I have stated, I do not.

Nope, i didn't say they definitely had to be in the set up.. you would figure that odds are high that at least 1 or 2 of them would be..why would scum (on Day2) be ballsy enough to claim one of the 3 Main characters of the story? You don't think that they'd be worried about a cc at all? (Again this is going off your belief that no fake-claims are given)

[sword_of_omens]

No, I get it now.

You're right, sword. Beli's logic doesn't add up.

so why aren't you voting with me?

[sword_of_omens]

sorry guys...works been crazy...i'll be posting today...

[sword_of_omens]

Sorry..running late at work ...i'll have to pop in from a coffee shop tonight or tomorrow...

[sword_of_omens]

@Selkies, you are a town read of mine, so if you gave A dam, you'd be voting with me on Belis instead of voting me...
but alright...obviously my vote on him is getting nowhere....

of the 3 main wagons, i think i'd prefer MsM...

UNVOTE:

Vote: MsM

[sword_of_omens]

on my phone but:

Ill get to this shit later but I dont undersrand why demon isnt geting lynched. Yeah thads commuter role might have drawn my suspucion if I didnt already rhink that he pretty much town prior to his xlaim.

I'm sorry MsM, but I really do think you have the better chance of flipping scum ...
2 quick questions...
why didn't you protect your town read?
and did you identify yourself in the dream world to the others?

[sword_of_omens]

wrong quote..I meant that to be her #1105

[sword_of_omens]

damnit...

i really would prefer Mara over ThAd today (Sorry Mara )

Only if it does comes down to ThAd or a no lynch, will i vote him...

[sword_of_omens]

damnit....

unvote:

vote: ThAd

if I killed Matrim im gonna be sad

[sword_of_omens]

also, we think Nero is town because of similar meta'ing done last night

can you please explain this in better detail?

[sword_of_omens]

wait...are you saying Nero is demotivated as town, or scum?

[sword_of_omens]

have you read 90's cartoon Maf?

[sword_of_omens]

his play in 90's as scum was far from demotivated
while it did start in June, it went on for 6 months...so it was a very long game...
although i will say that Nero got lynched about a 3rd of the way though iirc...

i was mainly curious about your statement because the timing of it seemed odd..

[sword_of_omens]

the statement of a town read on him seemed out of place for me...
i can touch on it and explain later, however,
i'm wondering if it might not be a bad idea to mass claim, after all...


i would also like to hear from MsM first on who she targetted last night...

[sword_of_omens]

sorry all... on my phone, but work emergency had me run out to a customers today...
just heading back now... Will read and do a full update tomorrow..

[sword_of_omens]

i'll go next...
give me a sec...

[sword_of_omens]

Claim:
Elayne Trakand, Town Channeler Inventor DreamWalker

I crumbed here,referencing Queen of Andor:

Ok…first of all

Let me Address the Subjects

, questions,

And/Or

I can invent Ter’Angreal and give them away…

N1 I gave Selkies an A’Dam which redirects
I crumbed to them here:

Selkies, you are a town read of mine,

so if you gave A dam

, you'd be voting with me on Belis instead of voting me...

N2 I did not have any real strong town reads other than Selkies, so I gave Nero (who I was hoping was town) the least powerful of my goodies..a ring which allows him to do something (keeping the specifities quiet for now)

@Selkies- So now you can see why your comment out of nowhere about Nero being town concerned me…
Knowing that I have you as town, and I had just given him something last night.. it seemed pretty coincidental …and it worried me that maybe I was wrong about you and Nero…mostly me being paranoid…


Honestly, I think GCBC might be scum…
I want to wait to see what everybody else claims first though, and then I’ll get into the specifics…


PEDIT: Already covered…

[sword_of_omens]

@MOD -

going to be V/LA for the weekend in about an hour or two...
i will most likely be stopping in on my phone though...but don't expect a lot...

Demon really does need to claim...if he was town, he would not wait to L-1, seeing as scum could quickhammer...

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lol...

Orci FFS stop ruining perfectly good "watch and wait" movements.

Demon's role kinda of clears up a huge chunk of this puzzle

. I'm well aware it's possible that I was role blocked but now you're gone and given a good claim to demon on a silver platter.
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I honestly can't see you hardbussing demon to this extent.

If you're town, Demon as a Scum Roleblocker does make sense. Actually, no matter what you are, Demon as roleblocker makes sense

. Of course, you won't out who you re-directed him towards so there's that. I really wish you would, or at least "it was you vs. it wasn't you"

well im a roleblocker

and convenient, too:

and a 1shot lightning rod

Let me gues..you rodded last night?


Full claim, please...

[sword_of_omens]

Rand uses the OP...so the redirect should have worked...he should have roleblocked himself...
Also..he would have been the 3rd person in the dreamwalk with Mara, considering he said he HAD a 1 shot dreamwalk...

[sword_of_omens]

@Demon - did you dreamwalk N1?
and what is the flavor for your lightning rod and roleblock?

[sword_of_omens]

alright i'm back from V/LA...
gonna catch up today...

[sword_of_omens]

ok..compiling a list and checking notes...
i'll put it all down shortly...

real quickly though,
Nero, do you die if you successfully block a kill?
Also..why did you target me on N2?

[sword_of_omens]

putting this here for easy(ish) reference:

Sword_of_omens

- Elayne Trakand - Inventor
Night 1 - Made A'Dam and gave to Selkies
Night 2 - Made ring and gave it to Nero

Nero Cain

- Gawyn Trakand - bodyguard
Night 1 - Protected MsM
Night 2 - Protected SoO / rec’d ring from SoO

Selkies

- Egwene Al'Vere – Dreamer (Ability Finder)
Night 1 – Dreamed about ThAd (missed) / rec'd A'dam from SoO
Night 2 – used A'dam on Demon (Redirected Demon to self)

MsMarangal

- Nynaeve Al'Mere - Doctor
Night 1 – Dreamwalked (with Ghostlin and Demon)
Night 2 - Protected Amrun (Amrun died)

Good Cop Bad Cop

– Perrin Aybara –Goldeneyes (Watcher)
Night 1 – Watched Amrun (No One Visted her)
Night 2 - Watched Selkies (failed) (from possible roleblock of Demon)

Iecerint

– Moiraine Damodred – 1 Shot Motivator
Night 1 – No Action (preferred Selkies, but forgot it was a day action)
Night 2 - Motivated Amrun

Demon

– Rand Al’Thor – Roleblocker, 1 shot Dreamwalk, 1 shot Lightning Rod
Night 1 – Dreamwalked (with Mara and Ghost, but kept silent)
Night 2 – Roleblocked GCBC (possibly redirected to self by A’Dam)

Belis

– Gaul – 1 Shot Dreamwalker
Night 1 – No action
Night 2 – No action


Night 1 Death: MattP - (Killed)
Night 1 Death: Ghostlin - (Vanished) most likely from dreamwalking (based on N2 flavor)

Night 2 Death: Amrun - (Balefire)

[sword_of_omens]

Also, something that stood out is that Selkies says she failed on ThAd N1 due to him commuting..
ThAd’s “commute” only works in that it blocks all OP from touching him (that would be the “modified commuter” part of it) because the medallion wouldn't stop physical things..only the OP.

Matrim Cauthon. My commute power is "foxhead medallion". I was told it grew cold against my chest last night, which is how I know I was targeted by at least one one power ability.

The foxhead medallion protects me, which is the "commuter" effect. I don't know why he chose to call me modified commuter and not something else like "self-protecting medallion guy", but that is between you and cephrir.

Dreaming would have nothing to do with the OP as there are Aiel who can dreamwalk seamlessly without any ability to channel. So Selkies should have been able to target ThAd..

Gonna go back and re-read a few things as there was also something else about Iece that was bugging me as well...


PEDIT: yes, i meant he did not tell anyone he had dreamwalked, until much later, when force-claimed...

[sword_of_omens]

in case this was missed:
[quote="In post 1446, Nero, do you die if you successfully block a kill?
Also..why did you target me on N2?[/quote]


@Mara - do you still have access to the Dream QT from N1? i know you can't post there, but are you allowed to read from it still?

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tag fail...

in case this was missed:

Nero, do you die if you successfully block a kill?
Also..why did you target me on N2?

@Mara - do you still have access to the Dream QT from N1? i know you can't post there, but are you allowed to read from it still?

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help me lynch scum, SOO.

I’m, trying to do that…need to figure you out first, though…

I figured you were prob town.

What seemed to change your mind on me? As i was pretty high up on your list of suspects...
Also, I’m pretty sure you were still town reading Mara at the time? You can see how your choice of me seems strange, right?


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also, swords yes. I can still read the QT, I still have access to it though I don't think I'm allowed to say anything specific about it

You can talk about it, you just can't quote from it....
What type of questions did demon ask you guys…and what did he tell you about himself?




So 2 full-fledged doctors, huh?

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nice deflect Nero...
like I said, I was trying to figure this shit out… I actually think Mara is likely scum (which I’ll get into shortly) but wanted to be sure about you and your role, because your targets don’t make sense to me…But not claiming “modified” because you wanted to trip us scum somehow? What does that even mean? How would that trip up scum? First you claim body guard…Then you say No you don’t die…Then you say that actually, you do die, but not til later?

now please answer my damn question on how you came to the conclusion that I was probably town and decided to doc me, when you had me as a scum read and Mara (a claimed doc ) as a town read?


@Mara – answer my other question to you as well, please…

PEDIT: thank you....

[sword_of_omens]

Is there any way at all that the A'Dam maker/giver could be scum? Because, I'm considering SoO all but confirmed town on the basis of getting that gift N1 and him crumbing it D2.

Yes, there are scum inventors...90's Cartoon Maf had one...
this should not be the only reason i am town to you...

[sword_of_omens]

Mara,

why would you ask this question specifically?

yesterday, you that there are forsaken who could enter the dream-world? are any of them female with the capability to kill?

Considering Ghost is dead, and Demon's character is male...

[sword_of_omens]

screw it...

Vote: MsM

For someone who doesn’t have flavor knowledge, she seems to know too much…

Her Claim looks coached by someone with flavor knowledge…particularily where she states matter of factly that Nynaeve is a doctor, like it should be common knowledge…

Because Nyvene is a Doctor, and I'm not playing Dumb

whereas right before she claimed just her name and not her role…

I also don’t like the fact that she asked about Forsaken females who can kill in the dreamworld..why would she ask specifically about females? There would be no reason for this…especially if she came from dreamwalking with Ghostlin and Demon? Demon is supposedly male, and Ghost was NK’d…and even if there was no gender revealed in the dreamworld, again, why would she ask specifically about "female" killers?

Ffery also had a very good point in her 1447 about MsM in regards to MsM’s #1065 and #1272….

i'm pretty certain she’s MsM is scum...there's just too much wrong to be coincidental..

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hey all, sorry for the neglect today...
i'll be posting tomorrow, and i promise to put in some decent time and energy...

One thing to note is that scum does have someone with pretty decent flavor knowledge...or Mara was lying about not knowing...
honestly, from the way Mara claimed, i'd bet its the former...it was too awkward, otherwise...

Iece might be a good look, but i definitely want to read before i place any votes...

[sword_of_omens]

Watched Nero last night.

Result came back that Iecerint targeted Nero.

VOTE: Iecerint

~GC

What was the prupose of watching Nero last night? He was a scum read of yours yesterday, so why would you want to see who targets scum?

[sword_of_omens]

@Beli... when you night walked by yourself did you get your own QT

[sword_of_omens]

fair enough...

I dream walked last night....I got a pm staying that no one else dream walked...

recap on my night actions...
N1 I gave Selkies a 1 shot redirect A'dam
N2 I gave Nero a 1 shot dreamwalk ring
N3 I gave Selkies my best toy...a disk that allows her ability a strong man ninja
N4 dreamwalked

[sword_of_omens]

I definitely need to go back and re-read..
right now if I had to choose, I think I'd probably be voting for Emp..
his roleblock of Selkies also seems to me like a safety claim, in case there were watching eyes...
but there are a few things I wanted to look at, first..

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sorry guys I've had only phone access these last few days...
haven't had a chance to re read like I wanted to just yet...

@Empking, what do you think of GCBC's 1610 about Beli? To me that's pretty spot on...

also didn't you already use your lightning rod?


and when is deadline?

[sword_of_omens]

why would GCBC have to be a GF?

[sword_of_omens]

ahh...Beli, you beat me to it....

honestly, what I wanted to re-read was GCBC as Selkis investigation on them wasnt alignment indicative...
and being on my phone this oast week hasnt helped...
I want to do it tonight if I can..otherwise I'll come back in thread and most likely hammer Emp tonight

[sword_of_omens]

alright guys,
i apologize for not being able to get to this sooner...
had some RL issues that came up and most likely will have to leave the site for awhile...
i've only had phone access this past week, and it's no way to play a game...

So unfortunately i can't really read through GCBC like i wanted to...
Beli is town based on GCBC's 1610.
GCBC also seems pretty legit unless he bussed Iece for own cred (which he could have)
However, Empking doesn't seem to come of as town affraid of being mislynched..
His claim, and targets seem to be a bit off as well...so i am fairly confident he's scum...

GCBC, if you are scum then you played damn well for your team...

ending this hopefully on a good note for town:

Vote: Empking

FINAAAAAALLLLLL HAAAAMMAAAH!!!!

[sword_of_omens]

Swords, did you die? I mean I know I stabbed you the last night but other than that, no comments/angry words for me?

Naw, I can't be mad at you.. you played a good scum game... unfortunately, I got laid off at my job back near the end of this game, so I only had phone access...I did want to re-read you at the time because I had some suspicions, but I knew that there would be no way I could get the time to do it... so I went with what I hoped was the right choice... unfortunately, i was wrong...

I've been off site as I've been concentrating in finding a new job do I can pay my bills...
I'll probably pop back on here and start playing again once I do...