Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[Demon]

Vote: Selikies

[Demon]

Mulled it over while eating and I've decided that Matt is a better vote.

Unvote, Vote: MattP

[Demon]

I think you are scum.

[Demon]

Because I thought that your play looked like scum trying a gambit, and not town playing antitown.

I think the former is more likely because I consider you a player with a high level of gravitas that has some kind of a grasp on the understanding of why a play like that would normally look town.

[Demon]

I already have my lynchlist. You guys are so transparent.

-o

Selkies elaborate. Also I really want to keep my vote on Matt right now but youir 30 is making it hard for me.

[Demon]

If Matt's aim was to argue theory, he could've easily breezed through what Ghostlin said because what he said was weak. Meaning it looks like Matt's trying to get a read on Ghost.

...Meaning you have now managed to make not 1 but 2 horrible votes in the course of 17 minutes.

Unvote, Vote: Selkies

[Demon]

Maybe you should enlighten me.

[Demon]

...

Come on man it's almost like you didn't even read my 31.

Keep preaching by the wiki... show me 3 examples where you've caught scum by using OMGUS

And no Matt is attacking Ghost's agenda.

[Demon]

Wake me up when RVS is over

- f

[Demon]

I never said OMGUS was scummy. Try again.

Yup my bad there.

So you think Matt is being scummy and your vote is still on me for some unexplained reason...

[Demon]

So you found Matt antitown and found the reasoning of my vote on you to be illegitimate and you still just waltz around in this game chilling in the RVS.

[Demon]

*waltzed, God help me get any idea of whether you're still in RVS now or not.

[Demon]

Can you take a fucking stance wow, is your vote on Matt right now random or because what?

You and Matt are my scummiest reads (as I have been stating basically this whole game so far).

[Demon]

@Selkies

A lot of my scum read on you was predicated on you not being in RVS... so either I'm missing something big here or you were just being cryptic. Why am I town? What part of my 43 did you find town..? And who's scum, ty.

@Thad

Why is Ghost town?

@Ghost

Your 74 - so you have a town read on Matt now?

@Niccage

Why did you feel the need to make post 82.

[Demon]

So I also had a look through Selkies only completed game as town (ferrlyt also handled RVS in that) and she was basically way more assertive and brash in that. I don't see any similarities other than her dislike of RVS which is present in apparently every game.

Also,

Unvote, Vote: milkshake

[Demon]

Selkies and niccage as runner ups.

[Demon]

So knowing full well that Matt is capable of doing gambits/reaction tests as either alignment, you're still townreading him?

[Demon]

Selkies I'm not sure if I understand what you're trying to say by me "giving you an opportunity to say something"?

[Demon]

I could buy that. You think he may have listed a buddy in Demon/Selk?

...

[Demon]

Ghost what is your 104 dude? None of that answered my question.

[Demon]

MattP is a null read.

I've had a town read declared at least since 66

[Demon]

Demon is a good person to take a look at as well, both him and Ghost sheeped the vote, while at the same time trying to look active. To me that reads that they are conscientious about how the look and will do whatever they can to look "active".

O...k...

[Demon]

Unvote, Vote: Iecerint

[Demon]

Perhaps we can hear from Demon in the near future and question him/her about his/her vote.

I'm here.

[Demon]

Haven't read these back and forths at all and probably won't ever.

Belisarius might be scum.

@Iecerint

Why did you ignore my vote on you?

[Demon]

I voted you for seemingly no reason; why didn't you call me out for it? If you're town then why wouldn't you at least go "wtf why are you voting me" rather than flat out doing nothing about it?

[Demon]

Unvote, Vote: Belisarius

[Demon]

I'll try to read through those previous pages tonight, methinks.

[Demon]

Ugh...

Damn HD

VOTE: Demon

I'm currently feeling this the strongest. his seemingly opportunistic hops on the most popular bandwagons (first milkshake, and now Beli) is far to much for me to ignore.

Ffery, why so?

~Miss

Oh god

the 'o' word.

[Demon]

@MissD

I'm the first vote on Beli...? Not sure where you're trying to go with this.

[Demon]

Post 15 was prior to game's start. Amrun, why are you (and Demon same question, really) using pre-game jokes as a way to try and build a serious case on Selkies?

Can you point out one instance where I've used the "pre-game joke" as a driving point in Selkies-scum?

[Demon]

Not exactly getting fuzzy feelings from Amrun. I feel like town would be more willing to elaborate on their arguments/points and get more of a feel for what the other person is saying. Can't tell if genuine frustration is warranted from the Ghost-Amrun back and forth, so.

[Demon]

Seriously... we should be lynching Beli mainly for his 256. He's trying to look like he's a participant in the scumhunt and is just sniping comments out from the sidelines. 210 - same thing... the single most significant thing he's talked about is theory and later slaps down a vote on Ghost for an alleged misrep. Literally no taken stances on anything else.

[Demon]

Oh yeah demon ghost is town. I just want to say that again.

I'm not pursuing Ghost.

[Demon]

Can anyone who is familiar with Iecerint chime in with some meta?

[Demon]

What do you think about SOO's lack of commenting on my vote on him?

Not particularly telling...? Dude was on a birthday trip and made a passing comment or two without reading most everything else. I do the same.

[Demon]

I swear to god I'm trying to pull through these back and forth walls of texts guys but god damn it's making my head hurt. Cliff/spark notes version would be greatly appreciated.

[Demon]

I refer to your 194 and 199 mainly - I've already made it clear that I'm only tossing this around as an idea.

I never asked you a single question, but I feel like self preservation is situationally scummy and not in its totality.

If you think about it a bit further (take some time to formulate your thoughts entirely), you are comparing two drastically different gameplays, and harping on my unwillingness to read the game doesn't inch it closer to being synonymous.

[Demon]

Hope I won't have to spell this out for you before you start proceeding with irrelevant arguments.

[Demon]

I never questioned or tried to argue about your argument on self preservation - actually, I didn't even know it existed, so I'm not sure why you brought it up to begin with, but I do agree with what you're saying.

Maybe you're misunderstanding my argument on Belis... it's not so much the fact that he's not helpful, but moreso the fact that he's literally taking potshots from the sidelines to look like he's contributing to the conversation when in reality it looks like he's trying to choose his arguments carefully and points out really insignificant things. The fact that he's commented on nothing else but distracting theory re: Matt and has said little else is icing on the cake. Do you agree with what I'm saying about Beli. And what's your read on him?

[Demon]

Milkshake is referring to sword's sig...

[Demon]

I'm having doubts about the Ghostlin/Selkies interaction being scum/scum.

I would love to hear a short summary of why Ghostlin is town from Selkies.

How does selkies give you second thoughts about Ghost if you still dont even know why selkies thinks Ghost is town.

[Demon]

... Can we all just move our votes on to Beli and call it a day.

[Demon]

Please for the love of god stop responding to Amrun Ghost. Getting a headache.

[Demon]

Matt?

[Demon]

[Demon]

MattP: Actually leaning town now

Why... point out specific posts if you can.

Thad your vote is boring as hell, since a majority is townreading amrun you're not going to go anywhere unless you actually attach something substantial.

[Demon]

Orci made post 315? I'm impressed, I rarely see him

not

screaming his head off.

anyway, explain that post? I don't understand it.

and I could swear there were others talking about Beli, and that there were more votes on him when Demon joined and there were people who were voicing suspicions on him, not including him. His vote on Beli also didn't seem to have prior reason backed up to it so it was an odd vote to make.

Ghost, Demon, and Swords were my picks for votes, and I stated that Selkies and Nero read TvT, meaning they are both reading town to me. I also stated that I was nullish on Matt so... my reads are there, don't know why you were asking me for my reads Ghost

I don't understand Demon's reason on Beli-scum, nor do I understand where he's been coming from all game

Swords, I explained how I progressed though when asked, so?

I am also fairly certain that I explained why I thought Ghost's vote looked the most opportunistic.

I'm also still not really seeing Beli-scum, I'm seeing some bad play but bad play doesn't necessarily mean that the person is scum.

We really should have been prodded... I almost forgot about this game, and I'm don't really like taking charge until I get a feel of what my Hydra buddy thinks, I'm like that with most all my Hydra's, ffery and Orci both know that so me not being a strong presence shouldn't be to much of an alarm.


~Mara

Think harder? If you don't understand something why not ask instead of going "k well i dont understand this so fuck it and VOTE: demon"?

You also need to move your vote to someone that's plausibly realistic to lynch.

[Demon]

MattP asked me to tell him why he's town. Actually he might still be scum to be honest, he hasn't contributed very much, and his vote isn't in a particularly helpful place right now. But mostly because of what other people said (not MattP), I'm starting to believe fake claim as town is a big possibility for MattP.

...but other people have also stated that Matt does these types of gambits as either alignment? That's not a reason to be townreading him.

[Demon]

And Beli's reaction to being a viable and very possible lynch today is to... ignore his wagon? More votes of justice please.

[Demon]

Is Matt usually this disengaged with the game?

[Demon]

ZzZzZzZzzzz

[Demon]

Amrun and Matt are gone for the Baltimore meetup. Anyone else?

[Demon]

Finals week soon... I'll reread and get a last vote down in the near future methinks.

[Demon]

Sigh... players like Beli are fucking chores to play with. I'm going to vig this shit tonight no questions.

Unvote, Vote: Miss Destroyer

until I reread fully and get a better understanding of recent events.

[Demon]

Quotes or it didn't happen?

[Demon]

Also I'm pretty sure you don't understand my argument for my early push on Matt.

[Demon]

I can eitehr go point by point and refute the case... or I can let anyone who gives half a damn evaluate its merits and see quite clearly that it's flawed, superficial, makes no atteempt to seek motivation and is chok filled with buzz words to the point where it almost supersedes content?

[Demon]

I don't feel like I've contributed jackshit like yo claim me to have been doing but maybe thats a mini wake up call I guess. O well?

[Demon]

Pull quotes to show me that they're opportunistic plz?

My point on Mattscum operated under the idea that claiming VT looks town. It's entirely unnecessary for scum to do it and lock themselves into a lie all game when they don't have any bearings on the game - that's why it's more likely to come from town being antitown. I was saying that under this I considered Matt a player that would unnecessarily claim that to gain a theoretical edge deeper into the game.

...But that all goes out the window if Matt apparently has a history of doing gambits a lot as either alignment.

[Demon]

I'm not catching the Crumbs your talking about.

My lynch isn't happening today btw don't say I didn't warn you?

[Demon]

Vote: Thad

[Demon]

Apparently not scum?

[Demon]

See I thought Iecerint was a good choice too but Amruns vouching for him and stuff and I'm ok giving him some time to settle in.

Whoever wants SOO to die show me or link me a case plz. Idk if I buy Thads whole "kill me" spiel and it's still some sketchy ass business BUT. SUpport for marangal lynch?

Unvote, Vote: Ms.Marangal

Iw ill be here in time to shift my vote before deadline if necessary.

[Demon]

Demon-scum
I have already explained this, and my reasons for demon scum still stand. He is still my top pick for lynch and I will move back to him if there is a chance of him happening. His response to "his lynch not going through" sounds like cocky scum.

Im am very timid as scum.

[Demon]

I don't think that's beyond a scum ability, but GC, ghost come on to MarangaL?

[Demon]

Why do you feel so different from when you were under pressure in JK9?

On another note. I'm so lost. I can't wait until this day ends.

[Demon]

Don't mind mine that was literally just birthed out of frustration.

[Demon]

Wow. You seirously contemplating a me/ghostlin lynch right now/? About a day before deadline with most people afk?

[Demon]

Unbekievable.

[Demon]

How..have I not been replaced..been having way too much fun over summer lol.

[Demon]

Sorry Thad, I read up until 'wagon analysis' and just stopped. It's bullshit and the whole "1 scum between selkies and demon" conclusion you've managed to arrived to is srsly nothing more than sputtering drivel. 1) you are very very bad/paranoid town (hey why not both). or 2) you're scum and you want to look town by starting some revolutionary wagon on obvtown.

still reading up.

[Demon]

THREE scum.. and our votes are split on them.. wtf? All on Beli/Marangal plz, I' ll vote after i read.

[Demon]

Actually Im pretty sure Thad shouldn't be today's lynch.

I might buy Amrun-SK(?).

Vote: Ms Mrangal

[Demon]

And their mutual townreading each other is probably not scum-scum.. so if MM flip smafia then Beli is town, I guess.

[Demon]

I think ThAD is town and someone meta Beli plz ty.

[Demon]

Need a flip to turn my game on guys.

[Demon]

Jesus what a load of fucking overjustification.

Sick dude, I'm sure it was hard to trawl through my ISO and just go "Wow..this is forced..therefore it wasnt a town mindset..therefore you're scum..." or "Go ddamn what an icky post ugh" to avoid doing any real work. I don't want to say, but ladies and gents opportunism at its best.

Half the shit you say about me...isn't actually true, and knowing how thorough of a fucking player you've been acting all game (and even going through the trouble to meta someone...come on). I made it abundantly clear on more than one count before your garbage case that the REASON I found Matt scummy was because of his gambit (that I didn't recognize as a gambit before).

If anyone gave more of a fuck than me to actually look through GCBC's points you'll see that he even tried to use my "self-meta" thing to call me scum...ROFL. I know that you know that what I did wasn't even so much self-meta as being honest, buddy.

THIS

is where my vote would be if you guys were down to make this happen today.

[Demon]

At this point, his lurking feels like an attempt to let the thad/mara fight keep him free from more scrutiny.

I've already commented on it...

[Demon]

I also really don't like the his vig claim + softclaim

christ

[Demon]

Appearing to defend myself is scummy? Can you link me to games where you were town and used this to catch scum, else you can stop repeating the same line, ty.

I also lurked before the Thad/Mara thing so...fuck off anyone who's trying to get onboard with that idea.

[Demon]

Don't expect a claim from me today if I do get lynched.

[Demon]

I'm thinking Mara might be town for consistently believing such rubbish.

[Demon]

I don't even know. This is another one of those "too dumb for scum" things so I'll let my vote sit for a deadline but I'm looking at Iecerint and GCBC.

[Demon]

I'm town, you're town, and I have Iecerint as a choice if that also is where you want to go.

[Demon]

I read Thads play as pretty town this day..and I've nothing'd Nero's play the whole game.

Totally forgot about Beli and swords though..so much to catch up on.

[Demon]

No one dreamwalks tonight.

[Demon]

Vote: Mara

Might as well try to survive

What?

you think I'm town, yet you vote me in hopes that you "survive"?

and then, you only have one shot of your commute ability, which you used so you are now a VT essentially, yet you want to go after the claimed doc who can still protect our claimed Cop and keep her alive for another day so she could try and get another result that could maybe give us a guilty result tomorrow, who with out me would likely die tonight?

If you want to vote Thad...just go for it lol.

[Demon]

?

Massclaims a good idea but I'm not going first, have fun with that?

[Demon]

Pretty sure scum can dreamwalk and channeler is more flavor aligned than anything. Probably provided in a fakeclaim.

[Demon]

Scum is probs Selk/Mara/Beli

Lets all lynch from Selk/Mara.

Why not beli today.

[Demon]

?

I already said I'm not going first.

This goes my way because 1) you're not going to risk lynching me in Mylo (you scumfucks out there know I'm town) and 2) your pressuring me is affecting me in exactly zero ways.

[Demon]

See you in 2 days.

[Demon]

LMAO you're either scum or autistic

This post is over the line. Tone it down.

[Demon]

I've grown much more apathetic with this game due to real life catching up. My day one was much better.

[Demon]

well im a roleblocker

[Demon]

and a 1shot lightning rod

[Demon]

rand al'thor. I also had a 1sshot draemwalk

[Demon]

I didnt roleblock anyone n1 and i blocked gCB C n2.

[Demon]

Lightning rod - warp reality.

ROleblock - overpower.

[Demon]

Demons been sitting at L-2 for a very, very long time. If he's town, why hasn't he been quick-lynched Nero? you didn't answer that question earlier.

Because theres scum on my wagon?

[Demon]

BTW: my lightning rod is a select ability for 3 targets.

[Demon]

My N1 action was to dreamwalk and before i stopped caring about the game I thought scum sent someone to dreamwalk that night to keep track of who has/doesn't have dreamwalk anymore. I mean it was pretty damn easy to figure out who was with me in that place. Mara contributed jackshit and seemed pretty content to flat out stop talking and let the power go to waste so that's knid of convenient.

[Demon]

they are the two scum

????

[Demon]

If I'm not fucking obvtown because of my claim (HINT: I AM BECAUSE I HAVENT GIVEN A SHIT ABOUT THIS IN A LONG TIME AND THINKING OF A CLAIM THIS ELABORATE WOULDNT BE ON MY FUCKING LIST OF THINGS TO DO) then town needs to reevaluate how incongruous itd be for me to pull this out.

[Demon]

One thing I'd never do as scum is let my scum buddies or other people help me out on a fucking claim. It's a pride thing.

Anyway Cephrir pointed out an error in my ability so here it is, Warp Reality isn't a OP one.

[Demon]

...Because I anticipated that you guys would speculate like that?

[Demon]

I think Mara/Iece/GCBC. Strangely enough I'd rather get Iece/GCBC today because I've been feeling a lot more confident about that. My backups go between Nero/Beli. But I have Beli as likely town. I have you as town. Swords as town.