Micro 179 - Mainstream Mini Mafia III [CULT WIN AGAIN]

[Candillan]

/confirm!

[Candillan]

Hey hello I'm here
My gut says that TheIrishPope shouldn't be governor.
Who I'm less so worried about.
Holliday I'm feeling good about.
ArcAngel I dunno.
Shall we move on to Night 0, or are there objections?
Doc as Governor?

[Candillan]

Oh wait, you just said you don't want the ability, whoops. >_>

[Candillan]

I mean sure, I'm fine with it, but only if you guys honestly see me as being town.

[Candillan]

I am town.

[Candillan]

I wouldn't be surprised for anything but the second.
What do you think of Who?

[Candillan]

It's almost as if you're claiming Cult Leader.

Also, if we mislynch, that's pretty much an instant win for the Cult.
Also, I haven't seen much of a "meh" attitude with Who in this game so far. What are you talking about?
What are your reads on the other three of us?

[Candillan]

So basically, we're all null with a weak scumread on ArcAngel (who has only posted once)?
Seems kinda odd to me. How are none of us scummy or townie?

[Candillan]

I already stated my reads.

Here:

My gut says that TheIrishPope shouldn't be governor. a.k.a. I think you're scummy.
Who I'm less so worried about. a.k.a. Null, but I still feel something odd from that slot.
Holliday I'm feeling good about. a.k.a. He's townie.
ArcAngel I dunno. a.k.a. She's null.

[Candillan]

Okay so reasons why you're scummy.
1. You instantly recommended me to be the Governor, even though I hadn't posted anything. That seems like you're trying to get on my good side somewhat by pseudo-buddying me. That is scummy.
2. You elected yourself for Governor, but you put me as another potential candidate in order to make yourself seem okay with not getting the power. It honestly seems as if you're wholly interested in grabbing the power yourself, which is why you instantly voted yourself right afterward.
3. Your reads seem as if you don't want to tread on any toes. I don't personally count your reads as reads per se, because all it is is you calling all of us null, then voting the 'lurker'. ArcAngel hasn't necessarily been lurking. This game's been open for two days, and she confirmed yesterday. I wouldn't call that lurking.
4. In post #43, all you did was say that Who is null, say you should be Governor (but not //why// you should be Gov), then defend the idea of the Cult Leader getting Gov. Why would you say that if you were town? You don't want to give the Cult Leader the advantage in any way, shape, or form. In that respect, I feel as if you're trying to have us warm up to the idea of the CL getting the Gov. That I interpret as you saying "I'm Cult Leader and I want the power. It's not like it's gonna do much harm!"

Who I'm somewhat worrisome of for the same reason as #4. The conversation around post 31 gave me bad feelings, but he was saying it in more of an objective fashion than you. He also makes me feel ehh about him because he, too, seemed relatively eager for the power.

Doc reads town for me because instead of saying that he should be Gov, he started talking about who //shouldn't// be Gov. That gave me great vibes, and he's been calling people out on being scummy.

ArcAngel has had one post. Therefore, null.

Pedit:
Yeah, I'm pretty confident in Doc being town.

[Candillan]

1. There's a difference between RVS and nominating someone to get the power for an actual reason. If you truly believed that it was RVS, you would have voted one of us in that very post.
2. I didn't say that. You didn't //have// to propose other candidates. If you feel that way, then that just convinces me even more that you were thinking "Oh yeah, I want the power, but I'll say someone else too so the others don't think I'm

too

interested because then I'll look scummy".
3. It's totally possibly to have reads at this point in the game. I have reads, and it seems that Doc has reads, too.
4. I didn't say I

should

be Governor, I said that I'm fine with it. Doc said that he

shouldn't

be Governor. Why did you instantly want the power without even knowing what it did? The reason why I said that you shouldn't be the Gov is that you and who seemed too eager to grab for power. The fact that you didn't even know what it did and you

still

said that you should have it is really scummy.
It's pretty much LyLo, as if we mislynch tomorrow, the CL recruits someone, and then there's 2-2 and the Cult wins. If the CL doesn't use their Gov powers, we know that they're the CL, sure, but the game's already lost unless there's some super PR out there somewhere that stops it.

Not everyone who wants to be Gov is scummy, but those who seem desperate to get the power do.
I do think that there are people who have that mindset, but there's one person who is CL and wants to look out for his/her own hide.
Don't try to discredit my posts by making them look like a joke. It looks bad on your part.

[Candillan]

1. It wasn't random though. You said yourself that you chose me because I had the oldest join date, and you think I'd be the wisest.
2. You didn't have to. Who didn't. I didn't. Arc didn't. Doc didn't. It isn't the actions that are bad, it's the motivations. I see scum motivations coming from you.
3. No, but you did have reads. You called all of us null, with a slight scumread on Arc. If you didn't have reads, then you would have said so instead of posting what you did.
4. So you didn't even make an attempt to find out what it did? Why would you argue that it's 'for the good of the town' to put it into the hands of someone who doesn't even know what it does?

You're rolefishing. Stop that.
We can have a better grasp of who the CL is if everyone assembles reads. It is easier because it's five players, and that's why I've found it fairly easy to assemble something resembling reads so quickly.


Doc's posts don't give me heat-dodging vibes. Mostly because he went and attacked you and Who immediately. That isn't something someone who "wants to keep the heat off of him" does.
You literally just said that you don't take them as a joke but you think it's a joke.

Do you think Doc is scummy?
Do you think I'm scummy?

[Candillan]

The problem isn't wanting to be Governor. That in itself is null. The problem is that Pope seems desperate to get it.

Good point, I need to reword that.
If someone quickhammers and the CL is town, it's autowin for the Cult unless there's a super PR out there that can defend against alignment changes or something like that. The only one who can defend against that would be the Gov. If the CL //is// the Gov, however, then they autowin pretty much.

[Candillan]

@Doc, I agree that who has been slipping under the radar, but I feel as if we should give Arc the benefit of the doubt. I'm also not confident in your townread on Pope. Rolefishing is aghterrible, and his motivations don't seem town to me.

@Pope,

1. Fair enough.
2. I see the scum motivation behind it. It mostly lies in the words 'must' and 'necessary'. I don't see it as necessary; I see it as scummy.
3. Yes, it is beneficial to the town. If I didn't know what it does, I wouldn't have started campaigning for it. I would have at least looked it up.

I see more defense than scumhunting, though to be fair, the only posts I've seen have been focused on you.
Rolefishing is still terrible.

You said that his deferring of the power is him trying to keep the heat off him, but then you admit that he did attack you, which is inherently not keeping the heat off him?
Also, I agreed with his points. It wasn't out of the blue, he was calling you out on what was wrong with your post.
I'm not joking about anything I post. What about them makes it look like I'm joking?

So you have a nullread on Doc and a townread on me. Didn't you just say that you had no reads? What makes you suddenly read town on me? Weren't you just calling some of my actions scummy?

Fair enough on the last bit, but your eagerness is still troubling.



Is everyone okay with me being the Governor? If so, we can move into night zero. I personally want to wait until ArcAngel posts her thoughts before we do so.

[Candillan]

I'd assume there'd be no factional conversion that night, otherwise it'd also be autowin for Cult. o_o

@Mod - If we do elect a Governor, does it go to Day 1 or Night 0?

Great that you're verifiable. That's one less person to worry about.

Pedit - Pope you're still rolefishing that's not good stop ;-;
Who, don't softclaim that's also not good ;-;

When someone says that they're easily verifiable, we hold them to their word. If it turns out that they aren't, then we can go ahead and lynch.

[Candillan]

Who, Oh, I didn't see that, whoops.

Pope, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume by "what do you mean by easy to verify" meant that you wanted to know what a verifiable role was, and not that you wanted to know how he was verifiable.
The former is innocent, the latter is scummy.
Considering the fact that you didn't know what a Governor was, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

[Candillan]

"doesn't afraid of anything"
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Good point, though. Our potential scum list is narrowing very quickly, though, so I don't want to dismiss him as town so easily.

Angel will post soon, hopefully.

[Candillan]

Sigh
I noticed that too.
(No, I don't think that rhymes, sorry.)

[Candillan]

Nope, I'd rather wait it out.
If she's lurking, we still have time before Election Day.
She might be replaced if she's flaking from the game overall.

[Candillan]

Yeah, it is.
And I think it's only another 24(?) hours until she can get a prod.

[Candillan]

Okay, twelve more hours until a prod can be issued.

[Candillan]

Haha, it's fine. Glad you're here!

[Candillan]

Personally, I feel like Who should claim last, as they claim that they're provable. Other than that, I'm fine with a massclaim, and I do feel that TIP should go first.
Or, maybe we should do it popcorn style? Either one works.

What does the "Town IC" entail?

I'm fine with holding off on the election. Good point on how a CL-Gov could stop a lynch on his recruit, I missed that.

[Candillan]

Oh, Innocent Child. I just looked it up on the wiki.

pedit:
You ninja'd me, welp.

Good point, and if that's the case then I have no problem with your plan. If we lynch the CL, the recruit can't recruit others, right?

[Candillan]

IMO, the only reason the Gov is in the setup is to give the CL more power. Day 0 we have to decide who ISN'T the cult leader, and Day One we need to decide who IS the Cult Leader. That's the point of the rule where if we don't elect a Gov, it goes into Night Zero. It's to make sure we do chose a Gov.

The power is inherently Cult-sided, and the town has to make sure we don't let it get into his/her hands.

At lease, that's what I think.

[Candillan]

Least*

[Candillan]

/confirm

Assuming we do elect a Governor, does the game go into night 0 or day 1?

If a Governor is elected, we move on to Day 1.

[Candillan]

I'm okay with it, but we need to make sure that we elect the gov before election day.

[Candillan]

You want me to go first for the mass claim?

[Candillan]

You want me to go first for the mass claim?

No, I want IrishPope to go first!!!

I was asking Pope.

[Candillan]

Sigh
I just finished reading Mind Screw Mafia and now I'm paranoid about a Death Note role :/
That's unlikely though, so I do like the mass claim.

[Candillan]

It's a role that kills people by naming their role.
It's an anti-massclaim role.

[Candillan]

OH WAIT
HOLY BALLS
HE CHOOSES NOT COMMONLY USED ROLES BECAUSE THEY'RE MAINSTREAM

I'm so slow. *sigh*

pedit:
Who I dunno if you should go first, as you've claimed that you're confirmable.

I still support a massclaim.

[Candillan]

Yeah. I personally doubt that you're lying about this, but it can't hurt, I don't think.

[Candillan]

...Major beef?
What about?

[Candillan]

How convenient that you changed your mind about mass-claiming when someone urged you to claim now.
For the non-sarcastic eye: You changed your opinion because someone wants something for you.
I believe the proper phrase is "Die scum die"

That's odd, I don't recall Who ever being against claiming their role.

[Candillan]

Question:
Who, how early can you confirm yourself?

[Candillan]

That's a cool role. You should ask the mod.

pedit:
I don't see that either.

[Candillan]

"Appear offline this session" is always an option.
Hey Pope, don't dismiss it as a lie automatically because of something that isn't necessarily the case.

[Candillan]

I don't plan on doing it. That suggestion rings of a sort of a silencing hammer, Pope.
That's also not good.

[Candillan]

Massclaim vote: Yes

[Candillan]

Because considering how this game will likely be only one day, it's better to massclaim rather than not. I don't think it could hurt.

[Candillan]

Who should decide, since he's already claimed.

[Candillan]

You can't go first. Who has claimed.

[Candillan]

Who just claimed.
Who popcorned to you.
It's your turn to claim, lol.

[Candillan]

Not sure how to answer that question without claiming, so I'll just claim: Executioner.
I can confirm this by posting "execute" when we have decided who to lynch and they have accrued at least half of the votes required for a lynch. If it doesn't work, you can all lynch me. If it does, whoever else we decided on dies.

I am assuming it doesn't work on today's election, but I didn't receive any information on that and I haven't asked because I assumed that it won't.

ArcAngel claims.

TIP, to answer your question, it could influence our decision. To me, Candillan seems very town at this point, but the mass-claim will give us info which might change things.

[Candillan]

I'm a Town Fisherman.
Every night I can attempt to fish for an object like a one-shot cop or a one-shot vig to use the next night.

It's a dumb role, and the chances of me actually getting anything is useless.

Popcorn to TIP

[Candillan]

Wait that sentence made no sense LOL
"It's a dumb role, and the chances of me getting anything are so low, it's useless."

[Candillan]

Also, ArcAngel's role is way too similar to Candillan's for them to both be authentic. Given that he went second and still posted a near-identical role, I'd call it a counterclaim

Well, our roles do work differently. Hers seems to give other people items, while mine just gives me the item.

What are the specific objects you can fish for and the chances of getting those objects?

Doc, Vig, Cop, Tracker, Watcher, and a BP. All of these are one-shot powers. The chances range between 10% and 25%, so it's really low. >_>

Pope, Bus Driver is normally a Mafia role. It's odd that it'd be given to a townie. o_o

Should I hammer myself, or should we give it to Who/Doc if you don't trust me?

[Candillan]

Alright, let's go then.
VOTE: Candillan

[Candillan]

Uhm
I'm lost

[Candillan]

Well Doc is verifiable, Angel. I do agree that he should hold off on the Gladiator. I'm unsure if it's Pope or Angel, but I'm not liking how Pope is trying to rush us.

[Candillan]

Angel, if you haven't full claimed yet, please do so now.

[Candillan]

Oh, I understand now. I misread. >_>

[Candillan]

Pope, why are you so set on Angel?

[Candillan]

<_<

[Candillan]

^Calling bullshit. Inventor doesn't make sense in context; she'd issue an invention N1, and it wouldn't be useful until N2. There's no possible way to make it to Day 3, so her math doesn't add up.

Also, only scum feel the subconscious need to add 'Anti-Cult' to their fakeclaim.

Just for giggles, let's play this out. I'm assuming Angel popcorns to me. I'm a Gladiator, breadcrumbed in my choice of avatar. I have the power to declar an opponent, at which point only myself and the target can be voted for. I plan to make Day One a choice between me and ArcAngel.

I popcorn to Candillan

[Candillan]

the cult leader would recruit me/doc, and then either doc would challenge some random townie or the cult leader and I would execute some random townie, and the cult leader would win.

Why why why are you giving the CL ideas?

This. Meanwhile, we really shouldn't mislynch. It'd be pretty much a loss barring some awesome shenanigans.

[Candillan]

...so you want to lynch someone based on how good their role is, rather than how scummy they are?
That is not a town mindset.

[Candillan]

You're twisting him up there. Stop inventing scum when we've already got it pinned down

Who are you talking to?

[Candillan]

Shrug.
Personally, I'm not liking how Doc had a catch to his power that he conveniently discovered as soon as he was to be verified.
I'm also unsure of Pope, but he hasn't really done much that's scummy today, so iunno.
Execute angel then, sure. I don't see much that she's been doing wrong, though.
At least you'll be confirmed town.

@Mod - Can the Governor stop the execution?

[Candillan]

Okay, Pope's almost definitely town.
I'm still unsure as to whether the scum is Angel or Doc, because in another game I read, Gladiator was a day-use power. Meanwhile, I still see almost nothing Angel's doing wrong aside from misreading the thread.
Shrug, the case on her seems like an easy push for scum to make. Meanwhile, I still have no idea why Doc confirmed TIP so early. His actions weren't townie. How did that make him town?
I'd prefer we don't execute yet, actually.

[Candillan]

I am a bit hesitant on AA9's death myself. We have time still, so no worries.

Pope: Doc defends him well.

Wat

^

[Candillan]

However, if you prefer to delay the execution, on what grounds? Do you have any evidence against Doc besides the gladiator thing?

On grounds of Doc being potential scum. For the record, my Role PM is the exact same wording as the one on the wiki, and I'm not sure about any of you, but it seems kinda odd that his wording would be different.

[Candillan]

Waiting on him for what?

[Candillan]

I think Angel's calling Who's role the potential CL role.
Which is odd, considering the fact that both your role AND Who's role are primarily given to scum. For that reason, I doubt either of you are scum.

[Candillan]

Wait what the fudge just happened

You know what fine go ahead
If doc was CL color me not surprised wheeeee

[Candillan]

What I'm so confused about is this:
What I see in those being questioned is a strange line of accusations.

Doc --> Angel --> Who
Angel, do you feel like Doc is town, then? Why would you attack someone who's conformable rather than the one who claimed to be but ended up having circumstances that led to him not being able to confirm himself.

[Candillan]

Confirmable *

[Candillan]

Pope, why are you assuming N1 will happen?
Probably a vig.

[Candillan]

Doc, Gladiate Pope.
Pope, drive yourself and Me.
If the day comes up and anyone was lying, we know the scum. Unfortunately, I have no way of checking both Who and myself.
Doc, if you were just saying that Angel was the scum, why would we be going to N1?

[Candillan]

Oh, it depends on whose roles are real.

[Candillan]

You recruited me?
Schweet, I still win.
Sigh Doc that tunnel though ;~;
Why would you have lynched me and not Pope?

[Candillan]

Hey that just goes to show that I WAS RIGHT AND YOU SHOULD TRUST ME
Though tbh it was suspicious how Pope was so sure it would go into Night 1.
But then Doc said the same thing and I was like "Oh no it must be one of you two darn iiiiiiiit but too late now"

[Candillan]

Also a fun note: I had a back and forth with Chk and my role was literally just there to be claimed. Not like I would ever be able to use anything in it.

[Candillan]

Because nothing would have stopped you from winning anyway.
D2: 2-3
We hit scum
D3: 2-2
You still win woohoo
it was literally a one day game no matter what

Yeah literally I was like "Oh hey so if I get BP does that stop me from getting converted one-shot" and chk was like "Unfortunately, no."
;~;

[Candillan]

I don't think it was ever confirmed whether or not the CF could recruit.

[Candillan]

Doc did.

[Candillan]

It's almost as if you're claiming Cult Leader.

Also, if we mislynch, that's pretty much an instant win for the Cult.
Also, I haven't seen much of a "meh" attitude with Who in this game so far. What are you talking about?
What are your reads on the other three of us?

I already stated my reads.

Here:

My gut says that TheIrishPope shouldn't be governor. a.k.a. I think you're scummy.
Who I'm less so worried about. a.k.a. Null, but I still feel something odd from that slot.
Holliday I'm feeling good about. a.k.a. He's townie.
ArcAngel I dunno. a.k.a. She's null.

Okay so reasons why you're scummy.
1. You instantly recommended me to be the Governor, even though I hadn't posted anything. That seems like you're trying to get on my good side somewhat by pseudo-buddying me. That is scummy.
2. You elected yourself for Governor, but you put me as another potential candidate in order to make yourself seem okay with not getting the power. It honestly seems as if you're wholly interested in grabbing the power yourself, which is why you instantly voted yourself right afterward.
3. Your reads seem as if you don't want to tread on any toes. I don't personally count your reads as reads per se, because all it is is you calling all of us null, then voting the 'lurker'. ArcAngel hasn't necessarily been lurking. This game's been open for two days, and she confirmed yesterday. I wouldn't call that lurking.
4. In post #43, all you did was say that Who is null, say you should be Governor (but not //why// you should be Gov), then defend the idea of the Cult Leader getting Gov. Why would you say that if you were town? You don't want to give the Cult Leader the advantage in any way, shape, or form. In that respect, I feel as if you're trying to have us warm up to the idea of the CL getting the Gov. That I interpret as you saying "I'm Cult Leader and I want the power. It's not like it's gonna do much harm!"

Who I'm somewhat worrisome of for the same reason as #4. The conversation around post 31 gave me bad feelings, but he was saying it in more of an objective fashion than you. He also makes me feel ehh about him because he, too, seemed relatively eager for the power.

Doc reads town for me because instead of saying that he should be Gov, he started talking about who //shouldn't// be Gov. That gave me great vibes, and he's been calling people out on being scummy.

ArcAngel has had one post. Therefore, null.

Pedit:
Yeah, I'm pretty confident in Doc being town.

@Doc, I agree that who has been slipping under the radar, but I feel as if we should give Arc the benefit of the doubt. I'm also not confident in your townread on Pope. Rolefishing is aghterrible, and his motivations don't seem town to me.

@Pope,

1. Fair enough.
2. I see the scum motivation behind it. It mostly lies in the words 'must' and 'necessary'. I don't see it as necessary; I see it as scummy.
3. Yes, it is beneficial to the town. If I didn't know what it does, I wouldn't have started campaigning for it. I would have at least looked it up.

I see more defense than scumhunting, though to be fair, the only posts I've seen have been focused on you.
Rolefishing is still terrible.

You said that his deferring of the power is him trying to keep the heat off him, but then you admit that he did attack you, which is inherently not keeping the heat off him?
Also, I agreed with his points. It wasn't out of the blue, he was calling you out on what was wrong with your post.
I'm not joking about anything I post. What about them makes it look like I'm joking?

So you have a nullread on Doc and a townread on me. Didn't you just say that you had no reads? What makes you suddenly read town on me? Weren't you just calling some of my actions scummy?

Fair enough on the last bit, but your eagerness is still troubling.



Is everyone okay with me being the Governor? If so, we can move into night zero. I personally want to wait until ArcAngel posts her thoughts before we do so.

[Candillan]

^My case on Pope.

[Candillan]

Wait, why wouldn't Doc have been recruited?

[Candillan]

Good point.