Micro 179 - Mainstream Mini Mafia III [CULT WIN AGAIN]

[Who]

/confirm

Assuming we do elect a Governor, does the game go into night 0 or day 1?

If a Governor is elected, we move on to Day 1.

[Who]

As far as I can see, the only point in the governor is to prevent quickhammers. Thus, the main criteria for whoever gets the governorship is that they have to be not the cult leader. Neither join dates nor awesomeness affects that.

[Who]

Nope. What about you?

[Who]

I should.
VOTE: Who

[Who]

I don't see why any townie would not want to be governor. Governor can only prevent a lynch, the way this setup is we basically have to lynch correctly day 1, thus the only purpose a governor would serve would be to prevent the cult leader from quickhammering. Thus, any townie should be happy to be the governor, I don't see why they wouldn't.

[Who]

Given how the governor cannot self-protect, all the cult leader gets out of it is the ability to quickhammer.

[Who]

Provided we are careful not to get people to L-1, which we should be anyway, it shouldn't matter.

[Who]

Also, the better it is for the cult leader, the more any townie would want it, given how they are the only townie they know to be town.

[Who]

I don't see what the problem with wanting to be governor is. Everyone wants gov to go to town, every townie knows they are town, thus every townie wants to be governor. And furthermore, anyone who wants governor being scummy produces WIFOM.
Also, you say we know the gov is CL if they don't use their power. Aren't they only allowed to use their power before the flip? They could easily not know that the person being lynched was town.

[Who]

It would appear that everyone thinks I'm scum. I have a role which is easy to verify, so let me claim before lynching me tomorrow.

And it isn't night zero after this, it's day 1. Otherwise it would be much better to not elect a governor given how they would be the obvious target for a recruitment.

[Who]

It has a visible action which is used during the day.

[Who]

Because I am the main target of suspicion as far as I can see.

[Who]

/confirm

Assuming we do elect a Governor, does the game go into night 0 or day 1?

If a Governor is elected, we move on to Day 1.

[Who]

If we were voting for a lynch, I would vote for Angel right now.

Angel: Stop lurking, start talking.

[Who]

I said verifiable, not IC.

I'm not sure about a mass-claim. I think that given how we are hoping not to go past day one, it could be a good idea, but if we do have to go past day one there are probably roles which would turn it into LYLO day one rather than MYLO.

[Who]

Night Zero does not exist if we elect a governor. You said it did.

[Who]

Why do you think it will help?

[Who]

What is a Death Note role?

[Who]

That is very one sided setup process which is why chk must have added the Governor thingy to the game... But not sure how beneficial this is going to be becuz, there is always a 20% possibility that we might end up handing over the governor ability to Cult Leader itself.

What happens if Cult Leader gets the Governer power?
Nothing. He/She can't use it on them unless if there was no lynch on Day1, and it can be used to save his/her follower

but how beneficial this Governer power?
Again, it doesn't really make much difference to town unless Cult Leader jumps for a quick vote. Remember that this only stop a lynch. I really doubt Cult Leader would be stupid enough to jump out himselves and behave in that way.

If the Cult Leader is the governor, then they can jump for a quick vote. That is the issue here.

[Who]

Anyone else opposed to me claiming? I will be able to confirm it tomorrow before the lynch, if I cannot, you can lynch me then.

[Who]

EBWODP: Meant anyone opposed, not anyone else opposed.

[Who]

I'll wait until the controversy over whether or not we will mass-claim is resolved before claiming then.

[Who]

Yes.

[Who]

The mod said it somewhere.

[Who]

Nobody is disagreeing. I will claim. The only question is about whether or not to mass-claim.
After thinking about it, I think mass-claiming is a good idea. Our best chance of winning lies in not getting to night one.

[Who]

And if I am scum and cannot back up my claim, then you can lynch me and nothing in this game matters anymore.

[Who]

If it helps I can assure everyone the only scum in 179 is the Cult Leader, so you can win D1 if you're good/if the CL sucks.

And there's a surprise D0 voting shenanigan!

[Who]

Not sure how to answer that question without claiming, so I'll just claim: Executioner.
I can confirm this by posting "execute" when we have decided who to lynch and they have accrued at least half of the votes required for a lynch. If it doesn't work, you can all lynch me. If it does, whoever else we decided on dies.

I am assuming it doesn't work on today's election, but I didn't receive any information on that and I haven't asked because I assumed that it won't.

[Who]

I've asked. If it will work, I'll prove my innocence today by "executing" the governor.

[Who]

And it only works for lynches. Thought so.

[Who]

1. I believe most people use that option.
2. A quick search of his posts says that he was online and posting at the time.

Candillan, don't do it yet, wait until we reach consensus on the mass-claim.

[Who]

Massclaim vote: Yes

[Who]

ArcAngel claims.

TIP, to answer your question, it could influence our decision. To me, Candillan seems very town at this point, but the mass-claim will give us info which might change things.

[Who]

What are the specific objects you can fish for and the chances of getting those objects?

[Who]

I can confirm my role whenever we decide our lynch target. I currently think that Angel is by far the best candidate, but Pope is also a possibility.

[Who]

Also, I just realized, we should be careful not to get anyone to L-1. After the mass-claim, a governor will not save us from a quickhammer because the governor would pardon the lynched person, the cult leader would recruit me/doc, and then either doc would challenge some random townie or the cult leader and I would execute some random townie, and the cult leader would win.

[Who]

the cult leader would recruit me/doc, and then either doc would challenge some random townie or the cult leader and I would execute some random townie, and the cult leader would win.

Why why why are you giving the CL ideas?

It wouldn't be blatantly obvious to the CL? I'm just making sure we all know that we can't let the CL quickhammer, that way the CL has no chance to use my ideas.

@Angel
I will verify my role when I know that nobody is against it. You want me to verify my role, noted. If nobody has any objection, I'll execute Angel, since this is going nowhere besides everyone saying "It's almost definitely Angel, but it could also possibly be so-and-so" and then someone else defending so-and-so.

I see it as between Angel and Pope, and Angel is dancing around yelling "LYNCH ME! LYNCH ME! I'M SCUM! LYNCH ME!" Also, Candillan is a little too perfect, but that is no reason for suspicion.
@Everyone
Speak now or Angel dies. If everyone posts without objecting, I will execute.
Currently approving Angel's execution:
Angel

[Who]

Role PM was specific, the day ends with the execution.

[Who]

Role PM was specific, the day ends with the execution.

[Who]

Role PM was specific, the day ends with the execution.

Angel, kindly tell me what this post says.

[Who]

CHKFLIP’s MAFIA DO’s + DO NOT’s

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@MOD:

is the best way to get my attention re: anything.
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Do not ask about roles

, the setup, or if you should have received a PM.

[Who]

Okay, Pope's almost definitely town.
I'm still unsure as to whether the scum is Angel or Doc, because in another game I read, Gladiator was a day-use power. Meanwhile, I still see almost nothing Angel's doing wrong aside from misreading the thread.
Shrug, the case on her seems like an easy push for scum to make. Meanwhile, I still have no idea why Doc confirmed TIP so early. His actions weren't townie. How did that make him town?
I'd prefer we don't execute yet, actually.

I'm not executing while anyone besides the person I will execute objects, particularly not while the governor objects, even though I don't know whether or not the governor can stop the lynch.
However, if you prefer to delay the execution, on what grounds? Do you have any evidence against Doc besides the gladiator thing?

So far, the way I see it:
Angel: A really bad player whatever alignment, prejudice against bad people makes me think scum.
Doc: Probably town. Not entirely sure though, given how most of my ignoring his pushing for the quicklynch is based off of:

I shouldn't have it because I tend to get tunnel vision and declare people confTown/scum too quickly.

Is pre-emptive self-meta a scumtactic?
Candillan: If Candillan is scum, then that would make no sense. A mislynch is an almost guaranteed win for scum, and Candillan is preventing the lynch. The only reason to delay it for scum would be to change the lynch target to Pope, who has claimed Bus Driver, and who Candillan just said was town. There is no reason for scum to want Doc dead rather than Angel, unless they thought that Doc was lying and actually had a more powerful role. Even then though, it still wouldn't make much sense given how Doc sees Candillan as town.
Pope: Doc defends him well.

[Who]

In my role PM, the verb for what happens to my target is "lynch" and not "kill".

[Who]

I am a bit hesitant on AA9's death myself. We have time still, so no worries.

Pope: Doc defends him well.

Wat

I would not see you as probable town by myself, but given what Doc has said about newscum, I see you as probable town.

[Who]

First, this is not totally standard mafia.
Second, how that would go:
Day 0: We elect a governor
Day 1: Executioner executes, governor stops it, 4/1
Night 1: CL recruits, 3/2
Day 2: Townies question what is going on, Cultist votes, Executioner votes, Executioner executes. 2/2
Cult wins.
Finally, why are you still alive if I am scum executioner?

[Who]

You are not confirmable though, given how you haven't given any inventions to anyone and if we don't lynch anyone today the cult almost certainly wins.

[Who]

I am waiting for you and Candillan to approve. At this point I find it very hard to believe that Angel is not scum, but I'll wait for everybody to see it that way before voting and executing.

[Who]

go ahead

With the opposition dropped, I will.
Since Pope voted for Angel, that is more than half the majority and I do not need to vote.

EXECUTE

[Who]

If Angel isn't scum, we're going to N1.

I'm not sure if I've said, but if I haven't I won't. The cult leader would greatly benefit from knowing that.

[Who]

It was theoretically possible for town to win. Day two: Doc and I lynch Candillan, night two: Pope recruits doc, day 3, I lynch pope.

[Who]

Pope, I would know that if I had not been recruited, Candillan had, and the governor could not stop their own lynch.

[Who]

Because that wouldn't make much sense. Why recruit the only one who doesn't guarantee your survival past that day?