Newbie 1381 Oakhaven is Overrun Game Over

[tybalt]

I'm sorry I'm late!

I'll catch up soon, although there isn't too much to catch up on.

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Luigi's posts rub me in the wrong way. You should make more of an effort to comment on the thread. When someone comes back to the thread only to end up defending themselves I start to think they aren't looking for mafia. I know the first day is particularly hard to find information but you at least have to try to make some reads.

The Jmo and Mothrax votes I'm not feeling currently. I think jmo's vote is fine this early in the game and mothrax coaching thing doesn't make sense. Isn't coaching something you do for a scumbuddy? It's not something I'd look for without knowing the alignment of one of them first.

Honey bee is my top town read.

I'll remove it if I find someone scummier then you.

Why are you still going on about a joke RVS vote?

Honestly, I really don't see how you can see that as a serious vote, but it got us out of RVS, so let's leave it at that.

moth, mala, JMO giving me town vibes.

VOTE: ThaneArvan being awfully neutral.

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Correction: moth and mala town vibes, JMO a little less so.
Sorry for the double post

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I won't have very good connection until Sunday, but I will try to make posts from my phone.

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How is ThaneArvsn being neutral?

All that I'm saying is that he's basically ignoring all the events that have transpired without voting anyone or giving any reads.

ThaneArvan,

You are still side-lining though. You haven't placed a vote. Do you have any scum-suspects worthy enough for a vote?

Basically this, so now I'm sort of confused as to why you would ask me if you hold the same opinion...

Town
1. Honey bee
2. JMO
3. Moth

Null
1. malakittens (Town vibes but I don't know why she would ask me a question and then post later the answer)
2. uoyeluri (Good first post but inactive)
3. Greywing (towniest null read right now)

Scum
1. luigilewis (I agree with what other people are saying about him)
2. ThaneArvan

I have played mafia in real life but never via forum, I am used to beig able to rely on expressions and tone. I'm not quite sure where I go from here with progressing advice. Can one of the ICs explain this to me? Also, I fail to see how it is anti town not to use a vote

Same with me, but I've played on forums a long time ago. I think what he is saying is that using your vote shows your opinions and sparks discussion, whereas not using your vote sort of makes it look like you're trying to lay low and slow discussion so that scum will not be found.

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Both asked questions that propelled us out of RVS, pro town playing.

Mala's 15, 50, 93. Analyzing scumreads instead of fostering them to result in possible lynch later in the day
Moth's 39 also.

Asking questions to other people and catches scumtells

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Honestly, I'm swimming a bit and grasping at straws. I really would like to find other town and vote with them but it's not a strong-opinion proposition for me. More of an either-or, eg if HB and mothrax and jmo all want to lynch, they're probably likely to be right and I'm happy with that. I feel like you, Fro, jmo, mothrax and mala might be town but I'm unsure of this and have no real clue with the others. My vote is back on Greywing because he seemed to be asking for more information than he was giving, Thane and Tybalt seem to be lurking, and I've already made lame attempts to pump Mala and jmo for info. I'm also terrified that the lynch train is already on me but don't want to be anti-town by accepting my fate or going stupid about it.

Sorry bout the triple posting. Just enthusiastic and GMT+10. I thought the DL was in 2-3 days per the first post, added posting date to timer.

This post really has absolutely no defense. It's just apology.

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tybalt: I want to know what you think of jmo, actually, and not because of any subtext but because he needs some attention. Lives are at stake.

Here is my clear, unbiased opinion on JMO and I am not going to read any other people's opinions of JMO before I say this.

JMO, upon isolation, seems to be trying to withhold from saying anything provocative- trying to stay out of the spotlight if you will.
Has reservations on doing, well, anything.
Post #43 seems to be weird, and another attempt to continue to not provoke anyone. If anyone has played with JMO and knows he is like this every game then I will retract that.
Also #107, the reason for why JMO is voting ThaneArvan, seems sort of like what JMO is doing

Ok, wow. VOTE: JMO

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Honey bee, from what it looks like, you're giving JMO a wide berth.

ah HA. What a perfectly bad post to confirm my feelings that you are mafia.
First off I am positive you have not even tried to read this game or if you have you are searching for only your name. You came up with a nice little list earlier in this game to fall away from the "no reads suspicion", curbing the lurk radar with little comments, And now you've come to make a decision to jump off this bad wagon on thane and make a half baked case on jmo (who is also a popular candidate).

Everything you said about him you have absolutely no grounds coming from you. Trying to stay out of the spotlight? You realize for how mysterious he is about reads, He has 4X the amount of posts you have. Jmo is very provoking, has often defended his play as "the way he's always played" and despite efforts to get his reads has remained true to his nature. You on the other hand have remained very much outside of discussion, but still around to post an answer and make some off comment on talah.

2nd You called jmo town in that list, right next to me. So what exactly changed between post 78 and post 164? Surely not post 43. If it bothered you that much then you wouldn't have put a big town read on him that early. And I'm going to have agree with jmo that there is really nothing about this post that is avoiding conflict. If you actually were reading you would of noted that mala called it "bs" and jmo stood by his play in #52. Pretty obvious that you just picked this post at random to cite as evidence and hoping no one would look at it.

Lastly, you mention jmo's vote as hypocritical. REALLY. Because you've had such wonderful contributions so far. Jmo is at least generating some type of information and has been communicating on some level. You've only touched on one post really in the past 100, and that wasn't even anything enlightening. In other words your arguments are contrived and your play is too careful. I have not forgotten why I voted you and I'm not going to let my suspicions blow over because you avoid them.

In this entire post, you say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about how you think about jmo.

So, your first point. My reads post was in response to questions by greywing and mala. And for jmo, the fact that he was a "popular candidate" is weird. Was I not the only one voting jmo at the time? And how exactly was he a popular candidate? Furthermore, I said that I was making my observations based on only his iso, and I was not going to base it off of anyone else's opinions. Of course, I'm assuming that you won't believe me with your current mindset, so I won't push that particular case.

For your second point, does hypocrisy nullify any of the points I've made on jmo? Not only that, but how is defending by saying "oh, it's the way I've always played" valid or town?

And this is the first time I've looked at jmo. I've been vla for a chunk of this game, and the rest of it I haven't been focused on him until talah asked me to. My townreads came from general impressions on him, and upon further reading, that's the conclusion I came to.

Grey do you have any other reads other than Talah?

Scum-wise? Nobody that really sets off alarm bells like Talah does. I'm pretty confident that you are Town, and I'm getting Town reads on Mala and Fro. Besides the three of you, I can't say with confidence.

If I had to pick a second scum right now, I'd go with Moth. Something just seems off to me when I read his posts. My case here is predominantly gut though.

What. Is moth really your pick (and it's even based on gut)? Where did you pull that from- what posts seem off to you? This honestly sounds like something that you just pulled out of nowhere to answer a question.

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ughhhah talah and jmo are town VOTE: greywing because of 165'
Honey bee I'm sorry for doing this to you but I will respond later I am so tired so stay tuned

pedit

I still am leaning town on Tybalt

you are voting me lololol?

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In fact I am typing my post right now so continue to stay tuned

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Hi Tybalt. First off how long will you be V/la?

I was vla for a period of time. I'm not vla at the time, sorry for not clarifying this.

Jmo I'm not convinced of and no one else has done anything worth lynching.

Right now the only reason I'd vote him is at deadline, because his town cred argument on gen looks more like an excuse for having his vote on thane for so long.

So besides me, no one else has done anything worth lynching? And jmo is a deadline lynch? You said talah was a deadline lynch.

Of course, I'm assuming that you won't believe me with your current mindset, so I won't push that particular case.

Is this suppose to be some sort of insult? very nice.

I'm sorry if it came off that way. What I was saying is that since I am already your scum read, you would naturally be inclined to mistrust me, so when I claimed that my read wasn't influenced by others, I saw it as hopeless to push it because I have no proof.

And this is the first time I've looked at jmo. I've been vla for a chunk of this game, and the rest of it I haven't been focused on him until talah asked me to. My townreads came from general impressions on him, and upon further reading, that's the conclusion I came to.

ohh look at the excuses. Are all those reads you did earlier general impressions? It would be nice to know what you think.

And maybe while your at it you could clarify the vote you made so long ago that me and mala voted you on.

Please don't put words into my mouth, I merely said that I townread jmo based on gut, I have explained most of my other reads.

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First of all Talah, you give me 70 minutes to respond before voting me?

Also, you are aware JMO is at L-2 yet you are asking him to claim? I don't have much forum experience, but I'm pretty sure you claim at L-1.

What is it that caused you to change your vote away from JMO?
Why did you then vote Greywing?
What are your assessments of other players?

First, Jmo is town in my opinion. He's acting anti-town, but not like scum, if that makes sense.
I also read some of his other games, and it honestly seems in character for him.

Second I voted greywing because of his bs gut read on moth.

Third, I will post a reads post after this.

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I'm sorry, I'll catch up, but I'll be V/LA until tues. Sorry again.

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Tues and I'm back, ketchup to be released. Get ready!!!!!