Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Mafia Game Over

[DeasVail]

Hello.

[DeasVail]

Hello

VOTE: DeasVail

How are you?

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Hey Deas, its been a while since StreetRacers, so are you scum again?

No, are you?

Time to vote the one that's reaching.

Vote: Penguin_alien

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Why did you unvote?

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Saint's fine until 16, then he just gets weird. I agree about PA obviously.

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Townread on Fuzzy.

I wouldn't normally say it, but there's not much else to say. I think I already have the highest post count...

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Saint, why is SD a better vote than ArcAngel?

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Of course you'd want no one to find the hidden message, but I did!!! I will not be fooled by your tricks!

SafetyDance, my opinion of ArcAngel is not relevant to the question I asked Saint. I have a townread on Fuzzy because it matches what I'd expect from him as town. I'm not interested in elaborating further at this point in time. Why were you interested in the reason for my townread on Fuzzy?

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I dislike post 48, but I love post 49, so I'm a bit conflicted there too.

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Maybe slightly leaning town.

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Don't worry Fuzzy, it's great.

I may get back to Penguin later, but she's not who I want to focus on right now.

Unvote

Vote: Lord Mhork

(I'm sorry )

First, if you could link me to the game where you behaved similar to Saint, that would be great.

The vote is pretty much because the way he goes all out on Saint in 69, suddenly finding EVERYTHING scummy makes it seem more like scum deciding they want to attack a player (Saint) and then attacking whatever they can, rather than town trying to read the player.

I also find Ghostlin suspicious because of how he only considers there to be two possible suspects (more like scum focusing on who they want to attack than town trying to read every player. PoE is very unlikely at this stage of the game). Also, there's just a lack of town-ness to his posts that makes me really want him to vote him even though there's not all that much I have on him.

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Mhork, going on the offense is fine. I just find it hard to believe that you find so many things about Saint's post scummy.

TMT, what do you think of Saint?

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I'm town this time Fuzzy.

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Also, I really think Saint is town

Did you decide this before or after 82?

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Mhork, why do you consider AtE and OMGUS to be scumtells?

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FoS: TMT

for 125

Maybe I'll vote/elaborate/change my mind when I look at things more properly tonight.

PEdit: Ew you can be scum too.

[DeasVail]

Am I more scummy because of it?

Ok, and I'm scum because...?

[DeasVail]

Ok, so you accuse me of not doing anything, implying that it's related to you thinking I'm scum, even though on direct comparison between me and you it's obvious that my posts have shown more scumhunting. (I'm not saying you're not, but I'm judging you on the same grounds that you're judging me)

Also, how do you plan on getting me lynched?

PEdit: Yeah, I don't get it either.

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So it was gut and now it's not gut?

What is modkill-worthy about 51?

Essentially, there are reasons behind what I do, so please don't misinterpret them as scummy because that's just going to be a huge waste of effort for all involved. E.g. Not revealing my townread (which I'm still not completely sure about) on Saint was a choice made so that the people I questioned would hopefully not know what kind of answers to be looking for.

And saying that attacking someone who happens to be attacking someone else is scummy is silly because everyone attacks everyone in mafia. You're chainsaw defending Mhork! SCUM!!!!

Several of your points are about disagreeing with me too....

Eh, I'm sorry if I'm sounding too self-righteous/bitchy/whatever, but your suspicion of me is annoying and I'd like it to stop.

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So in case it isn't obvious, Jake, Mhork and TMT are who I'm considering for scum right now. I plan to go over things tonight, so this may change.

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Don't do it Mhork! D:

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Also I'm actually starting to think Jake might be town (please don't use this against me saying I'm trying to avoid OMGUS claims because that's something I'd never do), but I will get back to you later.

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I don't understand your question about the bad reactions.

On 43, that was because Saint had originally voted for AA for a pseudo-serious reason, but then voted SD for OMGUS, which is the equivalent of a RV as far as I'm concerned, so I was wondering why he change his pseudo-serious vote from AA to to the perhaps non-serious vote on SD (If it was serious then that's another problem entirely). The possibility that it was a reaction to him being accused of reaching did cross my mind.

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That doesn't seem very scum-motivated?

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I think I'm going to cry.

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Weak Town:

Fuzzy
BROseidon
SafetyDance

Not a townread:

Penguin
Mac

Scumreads:

Lord Mhork- He might be too aggressive to be scum (although Puppy's eyes reveals he can at least be abrasive), but I stand by my original point, and also the fact that his complaints about AtE from Saint don't seem quite right considering that I think he's AtE'd himself as town before. He later said that it was because it was instead of a defence, but the original accusations didn't say anything about that and were instead just implying that AtE was a bad scummy thing.

Other:

ArcAngel9- When she's town, she's usually pretty obvtown, so I'll wait for that to happen, and if it doesn't we can lynch her in a couple of days.
Jake- I'm still not sure. ~Feelings~ keep getting in the way. I just completely disagree with the reasoning he uses and... the whole OMGUS and modkill things are just so weird! Could you link me to a game where you behave similar to this. Also, what caused the change in opinion from this post?

I'll do the rest tomorrow.

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Being anti-town has nothing to do with being scum, so your point there is lost on me.

In the post I linked you say that you can't explain gut, whereas here you seek to explain it in depth at the first opportunity. My current explanation for the difference is that who you are scum, so want to show how town you are by having reasoning. Show me why I'm wrong.

Who decides whether or not your points are valid? You? If so, how will they ever be not valid? No one can ever pro-town OMGUS you then. I have already expressed my opinion that they are not valid. And the fact is that I'm town so I'm confident in you being wrong.

And yes, I realised soon after you replaced in that we'll be clashing for most of the game. If we're both town, then we'll just have to work around it.

When I asked you for links, I didn't mean your modkill requests exactly (although I believe what I did is completely different from insulting someone), but just your general behaviour in regard to a scumread. It's up to you though. It's not mandatory.

Mhork, I think we established that I think you're scum a while back.

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Then why were you asking me not to vote you? Why do you think I'm scum, anyway?

Because one less vote on me is good, right? (And besides, you could still be town)

The next question has already been covered.

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DoctorPepper is a nothing read, Ghostlin is a content-filled nothing read, Saint is a 'I don't even know what's going on, but maybe town' read, and TMT is still scummy but I want to see more.

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oh yes, thanks for replacing in Rach.

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Oh Amrun!!!!!

Please save me from this madness.

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In the post I linked you say that you can't explain gut, whereas here you seek to explain it in depth at the first opportunity. My current explanation for the difference is that who you are scum, so want to show how town you are by having reasoning. Show me why I'm wrong.

Jake, I'd like a response to this please.

Also what is your read of Arc, particularly from early in the game?

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Another thing, I feel like his defence of Saint could easily be applied to me in some of the things he says are scummy about me (e.g. reaction to SD's posts and townread on Saint), so I'm beginning to think that he's only attacking me because he decided to have me as a scumread and defending Saint because he decided to.

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I've decided.

Unvote: Lord Mhork

Vote: Jake from State Farm

Ghostlin's not a terrible vote though.

PEdit: I disagree that flip-flopping is a scumtell, but the way that TMT did it was slightly scummy to me.

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Have you played with him as scum?

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Oh, I didn't look at that one. If he's aggro there, then that resolves some of my doubts.

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Although he says it is gut, the way that he so easily explains it suggests otherwise, at least it doesn't fit in with my definition of gut.

I've decided that I think his posting is fake, and I also don't buy the explanation for not being able to explain his gut in the other game. There are probably other recent things too that I may have mentioned.

The girl-tell is silly in Rach's case. I agree that wanting you to be vigged is bad though. I'll say more after she responds.

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Being asked to explain your gut read isn't so much different from showing someone where your X is scummy (and you've included explanations in the post as well, such as me trying to egg people on and such).

Do you always go for the easiest targets as scum then? Because if not, then you know that's not a valid defence, so you'd only make it if you were scum.

[DeasVail]

urgh I can't make sense, you should be able to work it out though

[DeasVail]

In the new-newbie land you were on Wisdom for a while and he didn't seem like the easiest target.

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But Xegarus and Majiffy were easier targets, right? (I know Majiffy was your buddy)

And as you said, Saint and Mhork are easier targets here, so it's not at all unexpected that you'd go after me as scum.

There's also the fact that going after easy targets is considered a scumtell, so there'd be reason for you not to go after the easy targets even if you did have a history of doing it.

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Oh sorry, and yeah thanks for responding. It's still a bit of a peeve of mine, but I do understand your reasoning.

I was going to say earlier though, that I've seen town say things like that a lot so I don't think that itself is a scumtell.

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Not much has changed for me from the last few pages as far as scumreads go.

I still have Mhork as a scumread and would be willing to vote for him if there was more support there, but Jake is stronger for me right now.

Also, I don't have a problem personally with being called... things.

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Why did you refer to Mhork as an "easier target"?

That was as an easier target than me, because that's what Jake was referring to him as.

It's part of my problem with Jake. He's using the fact that I'm not the easiest target as some sort of self-defence, when I don't think he'd always go for the easiest target as scum.

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V/LA

for a while because of exams. I'll try to still post, but I'm going to be more of an airhead than usual.

Also, I would switch to Mhork if a more viable wagon than Jake.

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Unvote: Jake
Vote: Lord Mhork

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Unvote

I'll try and decide where I want to go tomorrow night.

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I'm really sorry everyone for my poor attention to the game. I will be almost completely cleared up this time tomorrow.

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Big long catch up post coming some time today.

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I know I keep apologising, but again, I'm really sorry.

Also, this is not going to be a big post, there's not much that's new to say, but if I was scum I probably would have tried to make it into a big post anyway, so yay self-analysis/meta/whatever you want to call it.

People I don't want to lynch today:

Fuzzy
Rach
CDB
Mhork
Saint
Ghostlin

Lean town, but could still be scum (this one's in order):

Amrun
Bro
Penguin

Leftover and also scummy:

TMT

I agree with what's been said about him and also found him scummy before. Jake is no longer here to distract me (btw sorry Jake ) and Mhork is a mason claim so yeah.

This is just from an initial catch up and I've only glanced through some ISOs. I might try and look at ISOs more closely at some point since it's been a while since I've paid attention to this.

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Actually maybe put Bro above Amrun, but I'll check that later.

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CDB seems pretty town to me though.

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Could my non-townreads please post more so I can agonise over how to interpret their posts?