Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Mafia Game Over

[Lord Mhork]

Morning

VOTE: Saint

[Lord Mhork]

So I came on here and was all "Oh. Saint is kinda being weird. I wanna do my civic duty to start a nice early day wagon. Then I saw my vote was already on him and I was sad.

First World Mafia Problems.

Anyway post 8 is dumb and fake. So is his "Grah! I hate RVS." And Penguin isn't that bad for calling him out...

PEdit:
Bro, do you even mafia? It's a normal reaction for people to confirm their RVS. Kinda like I just did.

[Lord Mhork]

In retrospect, Bro was confusing due to the fact there is a BROseidon here to. I'm gonna use BRO to refer to player. I shall use Bro, Broseph, or some variation colloquially.

[Lord Mhork]

Anyone got meta on Saint? 'cause I threw this exact hissy fit back to back as scum.

[Lord Mhork]

hahaha i just stumbled on this. If I go out, it will be posting this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reop2bXiNgk

what in the actual fuck did I just watch..

anywho, yeah, Mhork, what do you mean?

For those who are still confused, I'm referring to my shouting and screaming after getting speedlynched as scum right out of the gate of RVS. I just super over-the-top pissed and feel like Saint is doing the same.

In other words, what Penguin Alien said.

SafetyDance, projecting could very well work in this situation. Why do you disagree?

Hi, Saint. I know you're not me. The reasoning, however, is sound. Why do you flail so hard? Why did you get so pissed about a random wagon? Why are you acting so painfully scummy? Ghostlin's vote might have been weak, but how is that a scum tell? He's not declaring you to be scum or anything. He's voting you 'cause you're playing like shit.

So Saint, if you hate RVS, why vote for someone just because of an offhand threat to vote for whoever votes you? Isnt that in itself RVS?

not necessarily. I'm working to deter my wagon. THAT in and of itself is null

Deterring your wagon is actually in itself scummy. It is you focusing on surviving rather than on scum hunting. Scum want to survive. Town want to lynch scum.

Anyone got meta on Saint? 'cause I threw this exact hissy fit back to back as scum.

mhork is leaning scum ... no reasoning, and broseidon is right that the self meta shit is a joke

I actually adore this post. There is a weak attack, a misrepresentation, and a buddying attempt all wrapped into one psuedo-thought.

actually ghostlin is probably just dumb town that feeds into empirical bullshit
i would be much more comfortable voting penguin... due to being able to get the rest of the town to help me out on this... obvious reaching vote
"pinged their scumdar"... sure....
plus that #46 i think it was was fucking difficult for me to read
I explained everything relating to why my RVS vote wasnt that RVS
How the fuck does someone say Hello to you, but then you vote them when you say hello back? That is just rude.
AA is probably town, though. Was probably trying to get a reaction. Seems to be reserved... I really don't want to mislynch, though, so I'm not really wanting to consolidate onto anyone as much as has been done to me.
I'm at level 3, so I'm very likely to be lynched... I know there is town voting me... I doubt all 3 scum (you think there are 3 scum, guys?) are voting me... Perhaps I should claim.... What do you all think? I don't know the best course of action at this juncture.

Wow. This hurts my head.

1) Trying to build a wagon rather than scumhunt.
2) "Rudeness" is in itself a weak tell usually reserved for RVS. However you also claim that you do not like RVS. Therein lies a contradiction.
3) "I'm so protown let's not try to lynch anyone 'cause I don't have any real scum reads but I'm still town kthxbye" That's just ridiculous.
4) AtE. So much AtE. 3 vote does not mean you're likely to be lynched. You posts, however, mean there's a solid shot. You'd have to be a moron to suggest a claim here.

PEdit:
So... Uh... I'd be cool lynching this thing...

[Lord Mhork]

Don't worry Fuzzy, it's great.

I may get back to Penguin later, but she's not who I want to focus on right now.

Unvote

Vote: Lord Mhork

(I'm sorry )

First, if you could link me to the game where you behaved similar to Saint, that would be great.

The vote is pretty much because the way he goes all out on Saint in 69, suddenly finding EVERYTHING scummy makes it seem more like scum deciding they want to attack a player (Saint) and then attacking whatever they can, rather than town trying to read the player.

I also find Ghostlin suspicious because of how he only considers there to be two possible suspects (more like scum focusing on who they want to attack than town trying to read every player. PoE is very unlikely at this stage of the game). Also, there's just a lack of town-ness to his posts that makes me really want him to vote him even though there's not all that much I have on him.

Mafia Through a Dog's Eyes

Pokemon Nuzlocke Mafia

Dog's is a better game for illustrating my thoughts on Saints super flail. Nuzlocke just shows me freak out after getting speedlynched. Again.

Going on the offense is not a scum tell either. He's behaving scummily and is deserving of votes and a wagon. No one is saying why they think he's town. They're just saying they don't really feel the scum. These are players that should be pressured. And if you want to vote someone for a lack of townness in his posts, may I direct you to Saint?

Mod: V/LA from June 3-5

Just a heads up.

Anyway, Saint is flailing like crazy, but scum wouldnt attract attention to themselves this early and this easily, so no I dont think he's scum.

Bullshit. Scum flail all the time. This is just flat out wrong. Why do you think he's town?

[Lord Mhork]

Mhork, going on the offense is fine. I just find it hard to believe that you find so many things about Saint's post scummy.

TMT, what do you think of Saint?

It's not that they are in themselves blatantly, hammer over the head scummy. It's that I find him scummy, thus these things could definitely suggest further scumminess. 66 was, however, full of a bunch of very sketch bullshit. What on my list has suspect reasoning?

Oh god..Nuzlocke. That game. Mhork, why you freak out so bad?

TMTQRLZUQUOEPDH: Why is Bro your strongest town read?

'Cause my lynch was bullshit. Speedlynching is stupid and I was fairly protown.

fuzzybutternut is town... had this at the end, but i like to vote at the end of my post, so i'm moving this to the top... I seriously am upset right now, but it's not the end of the world if you all don't lynch me... I will be your hero, baby.
WOW I JUST HIT A BUTTON AND LOST LIKE A 20 LINE POST ... I WAS ALREADY to 2) on mhorks... at the bottom... i DO have scumreads... are you not reading? you're reaching, you have no reasoning, and if you're town you've got your head so twisted with inane theories that I want you gone on a policy lynch anyways

unvote;
vote: MHORK

Nice vote. Defend it with reasoning now. OMGUSing is a scumtell 'round these parts.

Don't worry Fuzzy, it's great.

I may get back to Penguin later, but she's not who I want to focus on right now.

Unvote

Vote: Lord Mhork

(I'm sorry )

First, if you could link me to the game where you behaved similar to Saint, that would be great.

The vote is pretty much because the way he goes all out on Saint in 69, suddenly finding EVERYTHING scummy makes it seem more like scum deciding they want to attack a player (Saint) and then attacking whatever they can, rather than town trying to read the player.

I also find Ghostlin suspicious because of how he only considers there to be two possible suspects (more like scum focusing on who they want to attack than town trying to read every player. PoE is very unlikely at this stage of the game). Also, there's just a lack of town-ness to his posts that makes me really want him to vote him even though there's not all that much I have on him.

OH ANOTHER MHORK VOTE
NICE
THAT FITS INTO MY TOWNREAD ON AA

AA + BUTTERNUT, VOTING BLOC? PLZ? Seriously, I think you're both town with me, and we can get something done. Tentatively adding Deasvail to that list, because I like how offtopic she was reacting to Dr.P in glancing because where Dr.P bolded it I saw it already... it COULD be read as parroting, but I actually get townie vibes from that clubbing comment... just so out of place for a harry potter game, that I don't see it as scum

DeasVail. Not ArcAngel....

4) mixed with his comment about "this thing" which is rude as fuck and warrants/demands even more of a policy consideration... yeah... I'm happy with my vote, and it is not OMGUS whatsoever like my vote on safety dance/SD.

Ok, here's why you should vote Mhork

1) no reasoning

I have given reasoning

2) hypocrisy

Where?

3) bandwagonning without admitting to it; trying to justify a weak rvs vote; not acting like a fellow gentleman

...I was the first one on your wagon, then said after RVS that you were sketch and I was happy with my vote. And I'm the perfect gentleman, thank you. Fuck off.

Also so much Saint fluff... >.<
I didn't know that Om Nom had an alt...

TMTOLBTWNTOF: Why is Saint town to you? What about that AtE?

I've seen Mhork get upset as town, I've seen him get upset as scum. I've seen him not get upset as town too. Rather null.

Yup.
Don't try to guess what's happening in this head. Just don't.

bah FB was hoping you posted on page 4 at the bottom... im going to play league... will check back in a bit

OH NICE TIMING BRO

obviously.... i know my HP, dude....
I don't think DV is scum. DV is my strongest townread for that bolded. I feel the exact same way DV does. You can see the timing of my posts vs. me reading the game... I had the same reasoning, but I didn't want to throw out weak sentiment on the vote... I was holding that in... I'm more of a descartes man, myself, than Ghostlin's English style. ahem. Sorry to go off on a tangent... I tend to do that when writing.. let me get back to this post.

Ah Quirrel... been so long since I read that... years... and I should probably kick the DVD in as a refresher.. I have 2 copies floating around
How are you getting townvibes from Mhork? He, to me, feels like he is reaching, lying about his reasoning, and being offensive to the point I would policy him if King!(maker hehe)
Our reads are completely backwards.... weird... maybe you should cast protego on my mind hahahahaha

It's an..eh..associative tell I suppose. He's not playing like he was in Nuzlocke. If he's scum, we'll find out eventually.

DV- I'll believe you for now. You haven't said anything to make me change my mind.

mhork is bandwagonning with no reasoning other than his own meta hyperimposed onto me

...way to ignore the rest of my things I've said about you. My meta inspired me to take a closer look at you, which lead me to realize that you're sketch as fuck. You flail. You mope. You AtE. You OMGUS. You aren't doing anything to suggest your towniness and are bitching and moaning that I'm pushing a weak case on you. And I'm not bandwagoning. I was here first >.<

Hiya, Jake. We're on the same team this time, right? 'Cause Monopoly was just bad...

[Lord Mhork]

They're scum tells in this instance because Saint is using them in lieu of an actual defense. He's just trying to win town support against me.

By the way. Did anyone have issues with Saint just making up a fake town read on ArcAngel using a DeasVail quote? Or is it just me?

[Lord Mhork]

Screw you, Saint. Point out my hypocrisy.

Jake, can you explain why Saint is town before I possibly follow you on DeasVail?

[Lord Mhork]

But there's his post where he quotes DV and says arcangel is town...

[Lord Mhork]

But it's a lie he refuses to acknowledge

[Lord Mhork]

It's scummy when there's no reason to lie and he ignores the fact that he did.

[Lord Mhork]

i realized i did that and if you notice i have them both listed as town

You're just making things up though. You still haven't justified your ArcAngel read apart from 'he's town.'

mhork is really beating a dead horse here
i wonder if he will actually get around to hunting scum, or if he's content sitting on his thumb

I'm hunting scum right now, jackass.

you know what, i'm going with a policy vote policy of being a hypocritical village idiot. plus deasvail my strongest townread is voting him. plus im not going to be 3rd/4th voter and commit a jeep tell if he does flip town, which, if he isn't a townie idiot he's scum. it's pretty much 50% townie 50% scum from mhork at this point in my eyes, and i really dont care to lose him if he's either, if he's going to continously tunnel on me and hinder us later on, OR EVEN WORSE GET A WAGON ON ME

unvote;
vote: lord_mhork

Fuck off you fucking fuckface. You haven't provided one shred of evidence against me. What is my hypocrisy? What am I doing that's bad? What is scummy about me? Is it because I'm attacking you? Is because I'm perceiving things you're doing as scummy? Those aren't scumtells. And I'm going to keep tunneling you until you prove me wrong and start acting townie. Fuck off or get it together.

VOTE: vote: deasvail

Can we please lynch this? Someone give me one good case for why he's town apart from "I feel towniness" or "Scum wouldn't be this blatant."

...Saint wtf are you doing?

He's being a fuckhead. You should help me lynch him.

[Lord Mhork]

Also I'm totally going to keep tunneling Saint until someone proves me wrong or he actually starts doing things. Then someone can try and sell me on the DeasVail case.

[Lord Mhork]

Don't worry Fuzzy, it's great.

I may get back to Penguin later, but she's not who I want to focus on right now.

Unvote

Vote: Lord Mhork

(I'm sorry )

First, if you could link me to the game where you behaved similar to Saint, that would be great.

The vote is pretty much because the way he goes all out on Saint in 69, suddenly finding EVERYTHING scummy makes it seem more like scum deciding they want to attack a player (Saint) and then attacking whatever they can, rather than town trying to read the player.

I also find Ghostlin suspicious because of how he only considers there to be two possible suspects (more like scum focusing on who they want to attack than town trying to read every player. PoE is very unlikely at this stage of the game). Also, there's just a lack of town-ness to his posts that makes me really want him to vote him even though there's not all that much I have on him.

OH ANOTHER MHORK VOTE
NICE
THAT FITS INTO MY TOWNREAD ON AA

AA + BUTTERNUT, VOTING BLOC? PLZ? Seriously, I think you're both town with me, and we can get something done. Tentatively adding Deasvail to that list, because I like how offtopic she was reacting to Dr.P in glancing because where Dr.P bolded it I saw it already... it COULD be read as parroting, but I actually get townie vibes from that clubbing comment... just so out of place for a harry potter game, that I don't see it as scum

This is Saint quoting DeasVail and saying it proves that ArcAngel is town. I've brought it up a couple times, but rather than answer me Saint just sits and says I'm being hypocritical and making things up. He's ignoring me, slinging mud, and generally being a dick about it. He's also grossly misrepresenting my case against him and playing emotions to win over the town.

DeasVail, I'm scum now?

[Lord Mhork]

Then why were you asking me not to vote you? Why do you think I'm scum, anyway?

Well not so much a lie, but there is something inherently dishonest about making up a read using someone else's post. There's also the slight lie about my case against him. That is, that it doesn't exist.

[Lord Mhork]

This is Saint quoting DeasVail and saying it proves that ArcAngel is town. I've brought it up a couple times, but rather than answer me Saint just sits and says I'm being hypocritical and making things up. He's ignoring me, slinging mud, and generally being a dick about it. He's also grossly misrepresenting my case against him and playing emotions to win over the town.

ok, can you help me out here cause I went to that quote and kept reading and didn't see you say anything other than something about OMGUS.

I just need to focus.

1. tell me what lie Saint supposedly said, if you want to link it to me that's even better

The lie is essentially that I'm being a hypocrite without a case and that my case is only self meta I'm forcing on him. He is ignoring anything I post and using AtE to try to get the town on his side.

2. what is the issue with Saint quoting Desa proving AA9 is town?

Don't worry Fuzzy, it's great.

I may get back to Penguin later, but she's not who I want to focus on right now.

Unvote

Vote: Lord Mhork

(I'm sorry )

First, if you could link me to the game where you behaved similar to Saint, that would be great.

The vote is pretty much because the way he goes all out on Saint in 69, suddenly finding EVERYTHING scummy makes it seem more like scum deciding they want to attack a player (Saint) and then attacking whatever they can, rather than town trying to read the player.

I also find Ghostlin suspicious because of how he only considers there to be two possible suspects (more like scum focusing on who they want to attack than town trying to read every player. PoE is very unlikely at this stage of the game). Also, there's just a lack of town-ness to his posts that makes me really want him to vote him even though there's not all that much I have on him.

OH ANOTHER MHORK VOTE
NICE
THAT FITS INTO MY TOWNREAD ON AA

AA + BUTTERNUT, VOTING BLOC? PLZ? Seriously, I think you're both town with me, and we can get something done. Tentatively adding Deasvail to that list, because I like how offtopic she was reacting to Dr.P in glancing because where Dr.P bolded it I saw it already... it COULD be read as parroting, but I actually get townie vibes from that clubbing comment... just so out of place for a harry potter game, that I don't see it as scum

It's not that what DeasVail said makes ArcAngel look townie. It's that Saint takes this post, makes it sound as though ArcAngel posted it, and declares it as further proof of his town read on her. Not only that, but he's unapologetic of this mistake, so I get the vibe he isn't really reading the players but looking for who would be best designated as town or scum for the sake of lynching (which he has already admitted into taking into account).

The short and sweet is that this post has nothing to with ArcAngel, so it makes no sense.

3, tell me what post number to start reading from RE: ignoring you/slinging mud

65 is when he first says I have no reasoning. 87 is where he says again that I have no reasoning and that I'd be good policy lynch bait. 89 he again points out my lack of reasoning and steps it up by calling me a hypocrite. 111 he says that my only reason for voting him is hyperimposed meta (which, as I've pointed out, is a lie). 143 he says I'm misrepresenting and being hypocritical and now I'm a village idiot.

My favorite part of rereading his ISO is rediscovering the fact that he never gave real reasoning for ArcAngel being town other than one post where she is 'probably' town. Then magically becomes a solid, strong town read. Interesting how that works.

if you help me with this i promise I will read it before I go to bed tonight (as long as you get it up in the next hour)

2 late nights and I am exhausted and am planning to be in bed by 10:00 east coast if I can help it

Thanks

Night then, Jake.

[Lord Mhork]

Ugh. Dat quoting fail. Whatever. It's late...

[Lord Mhork]

Bonus issue with Saint's "solid" town read on ArcAngel, she has made 5 posts, none of which give a particularly townie vibe.

[Lord Mhork]

Bonus issue with Saint's "solid" town read on ArcAngel, she has made 5 posts, none of which give a particularly townie vibe.

[Lord Mhork]

Hiya, RachMarie. How are things?

[Lord Mhork]

Ugh. Game exploded... >.<

Saint, you're a dick. Quit being a misogynistic asshole.

I'll catch up on this later.

@Mod:
V/LA Saturday, Sunday, and Monday. Huzzah for graduation and spending time with my boyfriend. :3

[Lord Mhork]

So many impressive replacements. I'm excited.

[Lord Mhork]

I will say that I know PA is pretty good at being scum and I can provide a couple examples of that. Also have games with DV.

and Fuzzy...

and Arc

lol not too many here I dont know

Saint is one so will have to do some meta stalking on him.

Hang on you think ArcAngel is good at being scum? From what I've seen, she's awesome town and shit scum. It's the reason I've been waiting to see what she does, because she's usually very obvious about her alignment. At least, that's what I've seen in my few games with her.

ok at @Mhork

Saint did later admit he made a mistake and quoted the wrong person, you did see that post right?

But that was only after I called him out on it. He never mentioned it before and then got all indignant that I had the audacity to call him out for something that he

clearly

caught. Except he didn't catch anything, at least not from reading his posts. Most players will fix their mistakes, especially when attributing a town read to someone for a wrong reason. He just tacked up DeasVail with fuzzy and ArcAngel, yet he still hasn't explained why ArcAngel is town.

also Sorry to break your heart, but you did NOT provide a valid reason for voting Saint. The below quote is essentially what you said, and this is NOT valid reasoning at all. Not even close.

So I came on here and was all "Oh. Saint is kinda being weird. I wanna do my civic duty to start a nice early day wagon. Then I saw my vote was already on him and I was sad.

First World Mafia Problems.

Anyway post 8 is dumb and fake. So is his "Grah! I hate RVS." And Penguin isn't that bad for calling him out...

That is HORRIBLE if you are trying to imply this is your reasoning, as I see nothing else in your early ISO that refers to saint.

Was a legitimate start to the wagon. At least to me. It was a weak post and a decent one to start pressuring. The better part of my Saint case would be 69. While DeasVail is all 'herpaderp you're attacking the player and tunneling,' I still like my points on 65 and 66. They're legitimate points that he STILL hasn't actually answered apart from calling me a hypocritical, misrepresenting liar. While an excellent intellectual point for the discussion (:roll:) the lack a defense other than just attacking me and trying to get people on my wagon feels really scummy.

on to this

My favorite part of rereading his ISO is rediscovering the fact that he never gave real reasoning for ArcAngel being town other than one post where she is 'probably' town. Then magically becomes a solid, strong town read. Interesting how that works.

I really hate that I have to be defending Saint here, but where in the rule book does it say he has to give a reason for thinking AA is town? If a person says a player is "probably town" why is it suspicious that later he still treats that person as town?

Did you ask Saint why he had a town read on AA? did ANYONE ask him? if not, why does he have to just explain his town read for no reason.

I have town reads on you and Saint, i didn't really explain why until you asked me too, why did you ask me to explain my town read on Saint but you did not ask Saint to explain his town read on AA? Seems logical that you would have right?

Hmm... According to Saint he has already explained his ArcAngel read

Bonus issue with Saint's "solid" town read on ArcAngel, she has made 5 posts, none of which give a particularly townie vibe.

you dont read posts?
i have addressed this

Best I can find is this

actually ghostlin is probably just dumb town that feeds into empirical bullshit
i would be much more comfortable voting penguin... due to being able to get the rest of the town to help me out on this... obvious reaching vote
"pinged their scumdar"... sure....
plus that #46 i think it was was fucking difficult for me to read
I explained everything relating to why my RVS vote wasnt that RVS
How the fuck does someone say Hello to you, but then you vote them when you say hello back? That is just rude.
AA is probably town, though. Was probably trying to get a reaction. Seems to be reserved... I really don't want to mislynch, though, so I'm not really wanting to consolidate onto anyone as much as has been done to me.
I'm at level 3, so I'm very likely to be lynched... I know there is town voting me... I doubt all 3 scum (you think there are 3 scum, guys?) are voting me... Perhaps I should claim.... What do you all think? I don't know the best course of action at this juncture.

It's a shit post though, and I don't see how this is him explaining his ArcAngel read to the point where she is in the definite town category. I don't know. Saint is very difficult to read.

Rereading this, I like that "you guys think there are 3 scums?" comment. Good job at townslipping, Saint.

Rereading Saint is not making me feel him any townier, Jake. I don't understand why people don't wanna wagon him.

Saint, Appealing to Emotions is all you're doing. You throwing hissy fits, attacking me, being a misogynistic dick, and trying to make people feel like you are town because no scum would be this stupid/wrong. You're using emotions over reason.

could we slow down the wagon here and give me a chance to catch my breath LOL .

I feel pretty good that Mhork is likely to be town. Not too many redheads serve he who must not be named ... and I am definitely not seeing the case on him here. I will find some games I have been in with him one is scum one is town and I was sure he was scum in that one too lol. Good thing Thor replaced in when he did.

Will do some ISOing and see who I think is on the dark side of things.

yeah I LOVE HP which is why I replaced into this game.

Loved the Dobby reference lol.

if mhork is town, he is a bad player, and still worth a lynch because he lies, twists, and tunnels
i don't believe he is town, anyways.
IF he is town, he is a townie. A PR wouldn't be playing the way he is, and he is endangering the town with his actions - so still worthy of being lynched - and I don't plan on unvoting him. He is taking this way-too-far!

Hey, fuckhead. How am I lying? What am I twisting? Also, quit rolefishing. This is one of those posts that make me want to lynch Saint. Can someone actually explain any townie motivation behind this post?

@TMTOLBTWNTOF

I freely admit to saying that Saint appeals to emotions. Why do you ask that question?

YAY Amrun ♥

Saint is unfortunately probably town based on his tantrums, but uggh would be good vig bait. Or a good PL if we are close to deadline but in general other than avoiding a NL situation, I am not really fond of PLs, I prefer to focus on finding scumz.

Since I am very familiar with the books, I figure there is probably a mafia PR (Voldemort) and probably 2 goons based on the number of players. The goons most likely would have Death Eater names. I could be wrong though, I know some mods mix it up a bit to make it less obvious.

but the part about one mafia PR of some sort plus 2 goons is a good guess I think based on having 14 players.

Why do you think that Saint is town? >.<
His tantrums are null and his posts reek of scumminess and general nastiness.

yeah. on page 12 I am 100% certain rachmarie replaced into a scumslot
will have to look into the slot, but here is the general case on her. If you need an explanation, get over it, i'm not going to give away my secrets

1) overly nice - girl trait as scum
2) parroting - #290 copying jake's push on FB (who is 100% town from this exchange if rach is scum) - a la "stirring the pot"
3) IIoA. Twice, now, she has talked about things that aren't relevant, or are misleading subject matter, to try to appear as town. Explaining the setup was a blatant twisting of what is going on, for someone who supposedly knows... I don't buy it... then she goes on to talk about aggro in relation to MMORPGs? Just an excuse to appear knowledgable, and post comments, but it is really giving information without any analysis... or setup talk... whatever the fuck it is called, I see scum do it all the time, and I have played in thousands of mafia games (Teamliquid, alts on here, epicmafia, etc)

furthermore, she has patronized me, and said the same things about me I said about mhork... scum trying to get town modkilled, in all likelihood. very backhanded.
Scum to me are becoming more and more clear

This is absolute shit. Like the rest of his cases, this is bad. Of course number one is awful, hateful, and mean. Also it's not real anyway. Number two doesn't make sense:

BTW if Ghost is scum do you really think he would say yes?

I think you need to work on your scum hunting skillz dude...

Where is the parroting? How is stirring the pot happening?

I'll give you three kinda, but that's not enough to make a read. Especially when I am so very obviously scum and so is DeasVail and also penguin_alien and all these people except for whoever has attack you most recently.

The Mac stuff is a joke too. Also fuck off, Saint. I'm prolly smarter than you are anyway.

[Lord Mhork]

Quick-read the game.

UNVOTE: Saint

Definitely not voting for:

fuzzy

Probably not voting for:

Saint (but please feel free to vig for misogyny), TMTLJWUMBUIGNISUFG, Jake, BROseidon

Must post more:

ArcAngel (in particular, has been prod-dodging since page 5), penguin_alien, Amrun

Considering voting for:

DeasVail, RachMarie, Lord Mhork, Ghostlin

I was fine with DV thanks to posts like #15, which said what I was thinking as I read, until I got to #246. I've got a pretty strong townread on Jake - he's done nothing forced - and I don't buy that DV believes in this vote more than he does in a vote for Ghostlin. It also rings alarm bells about scum trying to avoid following through on the Lord Mhork wagon. Why did you abandon your Mhork vote, DV? You've barely mentioned him since #175, when you thought he was scum, and you've called him an "easier target" as recently as #32. What's changed?

I got mild scumvibes off Mac for #31 and RachMarie's opportunistic interest in the pedantic nature of Jake's case on Fuzzy is far scummier than anything that either Jake or Fuzzy have done all game.

I found Ghostlin's #225 suggestive of scum. For one thing, it looks like Ghostlin has just tried to think of a catch-all reason why Saint is town rather than actually grasp with anything he's said. Meanwhile, the complaint about getting complaints when others are posting less is phrased in a way that makes it look like Ghostlin is thinking about making himself look OK than really trying to hunt malicious intent in any scumhunting attempts. The emphasis feels wrong.

Lord Mhork's where I want to put my vote, though. As I read through, I originally wanted to vote because I had a mild scumread for #9, where he either ignores or is not looking for actual clues from the early posts - Saint's #8 was the towniest thing to that point and already a reason why a 'random' vote on him would be less helpful than on more or less any player. If the point of random voting is to get early reactions from scum, why vote someone who's already trying to unsettle suspects with interesting questions? Then there was #41, where it looks like he's looking for other people to validate his read for legitimacy. I've done that as scum and it's good because it helps you avoid responsibility for things ("hey! this townie was OK with it!"). Town have no need for that kind of backup before committing to a suspicion.

Then there's also the slow reduction in votes on him for generally pretty bad alternatives. It feels like a wagon on scum where the buddies are trying to drive in another direction; that's why DeasVail is now bugging me. We should go back to this. VOTE: Lord Mhork

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Why is Saint town? That's my question. That's my question to all of you people.

I got huge townvibes from Fuzzy in the opening pages. He's totally carefree (a general towntell) and consistent with the last time that I saw him as town.

^This.
It's meta, which is why I'm not eager to vote him either.

PEdit:
Apologies, your Modliness...

[Lord Mhork]

I'm not scum >.<
Blasted replacements.... Catching up

[Lord Mhork]

Mhork, I've already mentioned part of why I think Saint is town in the post you quoted - his first post started off on a town foot. Ever since that, I've been unsettled by the votes that have gone his way - as well as yours, penguin_alien's #13 was not a good vote. Ghostlin's #59 wasn't great, either, and makes him look slow on the uptake when you compare it to the post I pointed out before where he unilaterally declares Saint town. I definitely didn't buy that you could have been ready to lynch Saint in #69, as well. He may know it a bit too much but Saint seems fairly clear town to me and there are so many other better avenues to explore that it feels absurd.

BRO - 'k.

This isn't a case for towniness though. I say he needs pressure, especially after the way he reacted earlier. He flipped a shit about three votes. Why was my vote bad? Penguin might have been sketch, but still...

And who says that I was ready to lynch Saint?

misogny in games are always interesting when women are in them...

So nice that it makes things interesting for you.

Here's fuzzybutternut's most recent complete scum game I can find: link While it's worth considering that he's decided to switch up his meta as of this game, I'm not seeing a good reason to lynch him thus far. Is there anything in his fluff posting that makes you think he's scum?

ArcAngel9, why aren't you posting here? This seems like a game you'd be all over if you're town.

RachMarie, any scum reads yet?

Ghostlin, why do you think TMTOLBTWNTOF's changing his mind based on someone else's case is scummy?

Lord Mhork, what's your take on DeasVail with him shifting from voting you to Jake from State Farm?

Well I get townie feels off of DeasVail, though I will freely admit that ever since that Newbie game with him, I haven't been able to properly read him. Even though he's voted me, I feel like it was more a townie vote than a scum-faking-townie vote. The only real issue I had was him asking me not to vote him, and the follow up there was somewhat weak. Still I have been focusing on Saint and haven't given DeasVail much thought. Ugh... >.<
I wonder if sucking up to the replacements actually could be a real scum tell on DeasVail, and I'll admit that hit swap over to Jake was weird, though he established that he thought Jake was scummy and was getting conflicted feels in the posts before them... I can see scumminess here, slightly, but I still feel like Saint is a more fruitful endeavor, yeah?

I missed 164, Saint. Sorry... It doesn't really help you though.

Why is Saint town? That's my question. That's my question to all of you people.

He's kicking hornet's nests and lighting random things on fire as Town, in a Town way. He's questioning peoples reads. He's using tells, he's trying to figure stuff out, even if he's been confrontational about it. (There would be a different word than confrontational, but I think Rule #0 prohibits me calling him the a-word.)

The majority of scum do NOT do this, even when aggressive as scum. The players that annoy the piss out of you because they're such rude ass hats? Town, at least 90% of the time. Unless someone can tell me he's a got a play style that does this as both Town and Scum, and a lot of people DO NOT, I'm 90% sure Saint is Town.

Ok. Good point. I can see this. I will think about Saint.

Hang on you think ArcAngel is good at being scum? From what I've seen, she's awesome town and shit scum. It's the reason I've been waiting to see what she does, because she's usually very obvious about her alignment. At least, that's what I've seen in my few games with her.

What do you think about the fact she isn't posting? Is that part of her meta?

No. I'm waiting to see what she posts.

oh, yeah, i should provide my alt
my alt is furcolow

I am on page 3, and furc is town as fuck. Hi furc!!!

Mhork's attack on him is slightly scummy. Mhork, have you ever played with furc?

(Forgive my small but frequent posts as I read -- phone is only option right now.)

I have not. What is the meta?

I gotta go league with bf :3
See you...

[Lord Mhork]

Aww... I just saw that I got outed. :c
Sad day. Now one of us is gonna die tonight.

Um. This stuff will all happen prolly tomorrow. You know, catch up and whatnot.

[Lord Mhork]

VOTE: LMhork

ArcAngel not reading and acting ignorant. Here's one of them meta things for her scumminess.

VOTE: ArcAngel

...wtf was that vote arc.

Not sure if scum or just incredibly stupid. I'm keeping my vote on Ghost for now, although I will definitely be keeping an eye on arc.

Just pointing out that town ArcAngel is incredibly intelligent. Scary contrast to her scum meta. So unless she's trying to break the obvious meta thing like she was suspected of last time I played with her, she's scum.

[Lord Mhork]

ArcAngel, read the conversation regarding RachMarie and me and how we are Fred and George. We know we are both townies. She crumbed it early and everything. What makes you think I"m not town?

Seconded on using ArcAngel as an awesome double lynch!

[Lord Mhork]

hah. I'm not hammering that thing. it wouldn't help the town at all.

[Lord Mhork]

Wow. I'm alive.

Lemme collect my thoughts and stuff 'cause I kinda gave up yesterday.

RachMarie, who are your townie reads?

[Lord Mhork]

Hello. Civ 5 stole my last day or so. Will check in tomorrow with a proper post.

[Lord Mhork]

Ghostlin, did you believe arc angels claim before you hammered her?

[Lord Mhork]

Hmm.... In spite of that, I do feel that Ghostlin is likely town.

[Lord Mhork]

Because it still felt like a really bold move that scum would have been more hesitant toward.

Granted I don't think anyone actually believed her, but the point still stands.

[Lord Mhork]

The act is weak, sure, but the way it went down looked town.

[Lord Mhork]

Oh! Those are good points! I'm gonna sheep amrun for now.

VOTE: TMTOLBTWNTOF

[Lord Mhork]

K then. I'm gonna check this over. How many scums are there likely to be in a setup like this?

inb4 "herpaderp fake towntelling"

[Lord Mhork]

Force of habit there. I just wanna know how many scums we should consider and whether or not we are nearing LyLo. I dunno. It's really late and I'm fried.... >.<

[Lord Mhork]

I still don't think that I believe scum Ghostlin though. Who would his scumbuddies be then, CDB? 'Cause that hammer felt really, really town to me...

[Lord Mhork]

Fuzzy, what are your reads right now? Other than Ghostlin, I mean.

penguin_alien, why are you a nonentity?

@Mod: Prod please? :3

RachMarie, bro fist. We got this. I'm considering voting PA. What do you think? What about BROseidon?

BROseidon, you scum, pal? You feel really, really cautious. What are you thinking?

ChannelDelibird, Ghostlin aside, who's scum?

[Lord Mhork]

penguin_alien, why are you a nonentity?

I'm curious about this as well.

BROseidon, you scum, pal? You feel really, really cautious. What are you thinking?

Thinking that I need to do some rereading and that I'm meh on time. Thinking Mhork/Rach are probably town based on the claim. My strongest townread is Saint at this point, and I am thinking that FBN and CDB are more likely town than Ghost, p_a, and Amrun (which would leave them as scum by PoE). I want to

He specifies later with the quote above about TWTOLBTWNTOF buying the masons claim too readily for his taste. Why not say what's making you vote at the time?

For shits and giggles, honestly. I thought it was fairly obvious and that other people would see it.

Going to try to post something more substantive tonight or tomorrow. But one quick question: what does a vanilla cop do? I want to ISO DV to see if he crumbed anything yesterday.

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I think I'm gonna vote you on this post alone...

penguin_alien, why are you a nonentity?

I'm curious about this as well.

Is there something in particular you want to know?

He specifies later with the quote above about TWTOLBTWNTOF buying the masons claim too readily for his taste. Why not say what's making you vote at the time?

For shits and giggles, honestly. I thought it was fairly obvious and that other people would see it.

Going to try to post something more substantive tonight or tomorrow. But one quick question: what does a vanilla cop do? I want to ISO DV to see if he crumbed anything yesterday.

A vanilla cop is a PR detector. Vanilla townies come back 'vanilla' and PRs come back 'not vanilla.' Sometimes scum goons are called Vanilla goons to keep it from auto-finding town, IIRC. And if you thought he was scum why didn't you do your utmost to make sure others saw what you did and agreed with your case? For giggles doesn't cut it with all the other 'avoiding making cases' you've been doing.

I just wanna know, like, your reads and stuff. Just normal townie things.

What the hell
VOTE: BROseidon

[Lord Mhork]

So are we back on?

[Lord Mhork]

Saint, what do you think of BROseidon? Why is CDB scummier?

[Lord Mhork]

But what about Ghostlin's ArcAngel hammer? Why would scum him do that so easily? Why wouldn't he fight? Why would he just acquiesce?

[Lord Mhork]

What was so obvious about it?

[Lord Mhork]

Also I adore the fact that you're only now saying that you didn't believe the claim and, moreover, that you've found Ghostlin scummy all game but there were also posts of his that you "liked a lot." What's up with that?

[Lord Mhork]

Mhork if dude is scum, he would know that Arc was town, and there was plenty of scoffing and backlash on her fake claim to make it a hammer that would not come back to bite him in the ass.

So that is not enough to clear him.

But it's enough to not want to lynch his as much as, say, BROseidon.

[Lord Mhork]

Yeah there is no reason to unvote. Hell if I were a mod the character's role in the novel would be only loosely related to his mafia role. Maybe Hermione is pissed that she gets picked on. Maybe a Death Eater used polyjuice potion. Like dude said, VT is no reason for unvote.

[Lord Mhork]

Just read my ISO, ghost. I've mentioned some of the key BRO points.

[Lord Mhork]

So dramatic, BROseidon. I'm so interested in this magna opus

[Lord Mhork]

Keep telling us that awesome post is coming, BRO. I'm waiting >:T

[Lord Mhork]

BRO, your wall is unimpressive and doesn't change my desire to lynch you...

[Lord Mhork]

To elaborate, BRO, it's just a ton of IIOA. Who should we lynch? Why? Where is the scum?

[Lord Mhork]

Ugh. This is where I doubt my reads.... :c

[Lord Mhork]

Should be easy but my scumdar, personally is shit, even with odds. So yeah... I'll check this over later.

[Lord Mhork]

Also while you popcorn you can tell us who your scumbuddies are. We'll lynch you last if you do.

[Lord Mhork]

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If saint is scum, I'm going to rage hard here...

[Lord Mhork]

*jeopardy theme*

[Lord Mhork]

I wish I were an investigator 'cause I would have investigated the shit out of Saint. However I should really reread and stuff

[Lord Mhork]

I'm wanting to lynch Saint again... RachMarie stop me >.<

Who is scum then, Saint?

[Lord Mhork]

I'm, like, 90% sure that Saint is scum. If I was right--again--and the town all pushed me away, I'm going to swear off listening to anything about meta ever and tunnel even harder in games. I promise. >:T

K then RachMarie. PA, CDB, Amrun, Ghostlin. Where is the scum?

[Lord Mhork]

Alright so I'm pretty sure at least two of the VTs are fake. I'm leaning to go for amrun first. What do you think?

[Lord Mhork]

VOTE: amrun

Can you explain your mason paranoia?

[Lord Mhork]

Your explosion looks sketch. I don't like it.

UNVOTE: amrun

[Lord Mhork]

What do you think, Rach?

[Lord Mhork]

Yup. I get that.

[Lord Mhork]

Hah! I wish I did gambits this cool as scum!

I still have ghostlin pegged as probably town, though, CDB, but I just don't know. I still want Saint dead 'cause he's bad and amrun is acting all sketch... Ugh.
I'm gonna try reading over some stuff.

[Lord Mhork]

Well pa's iso is shit, amrun is ridiculously aggressive which gives me vibes that she is probably hiding something, I realize I've been letting Ghostlin coast on that AA hammer, but I still have no inclination to think he's more likely scum than, say, PA, and Saint's ISO just pisses me off so I'm gonna hold off on him for now. I will totally go along with a PA lynch and the tomorrow, 'cause he should flip scum, then tomorrow I'll look for connections and whatnot.

[Lord Mhork]

..because usually people are insecure when they're hiding something and aggression helps hide insecurity?

[Lord Mhork]

Bro that's just my armchair psychology talking. I'm mostly sure you're scum just via PoE. Point is that PA is more sure than you, and if/when PA flips scum, I'll check association first THEN pursue other people.

[Lord Mhork]

Well pa's iso is shit, amrun is ridiculously aggressive which gives me vibes that she is probably hiding something, I realize I've been letting Ghostlin coast on that AA hammer, but I still have no inclination to think he's more likely scum than, say, PA, and Saint's ISO just pisses me off so I'm gonna hold off on him for now. I will totally go along with a PA lynch and the tomorrow, 'cause he should flip scum, then tomorrow I'll look for connections and whatnot.

[Lord Mhork]

I'm sorry, CDB! :c

I'm just confused. I'm really, really bad at scum hunting...

I promise I'll look at those links though

[Lord Mhork]

Ugh. I'm so confused. >.<

Rachmarie, I feel like PA is reading sincere here.

[Lord Mhork]

Whatever

VOTE: PA

[Lord Mhork]

I don't like lovers. Not even a little.