Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Mafia Game Over

[Ghostlin]

I hate RVS.

I also hate both Saint's and PA's reactions equally.

[Ghostlin]

I hate RVS.

I also hate both Saint's and PA's reactions equally.

How can you hate RVS and simultaneously not agree with people who share the same idea?

To quote many rebels, "Fuck you, I can do what I want?"

To the point, I sort kinda agreed about Saint's #8, if pseudo serious, is reaching but doesn't really warrant and actual vote on him from PA. That screamed opportunist.

Then Saint's tantrum about RVS and voting the next person who votes him is deliberately set up to discourage votes on a wagon. If he hates RVS, why participate as he kinda did in #8?

So, to the point, and not because my issue of Hating Things magazine has recently arrived, to promote discussion on both wagons, I'm

Vote: PA

for now, but reserve the right to continue to push Saint.

[Ghostlin]

"why participate as he kinda did in #8?"
how was i participating?

"why participate as he kinda did in #8?"how was i participating?

If it was only pseudo-serious, then there was a slight not serious element there. I won't say 'random', but you even downplayed the vote by saying it was only pseudo-serious, which is not something you usually do outside of RVS.

[Ghostlin]

#46 has a slight town read to it, at least PA is able to justify his current stances. #37 is full of bullshit fluff, doesn't help scum hunt and him voting Safety Dance doesn't tell us anything about Safety's Dance's alignment; and it seems awfully AtEy and whiny.

Vote: Saint

[Ghostlin]

Ghostlin's vote might have been weak, but how is that a scum tell? He's not declaring you to be scum or anything. He's voting you 'cause you're playing like shit.

I don't like his flailing, but, this sentence is mostly true in nature. I'm pushing the person who's responded the poorest out of the two possible suspects we've got right now.

[Ghostlin]

actually ghostlin is probably just dumb town that feeds into empirical bullshit

If you seriously believe this, why is your vote on me?

"Your vote is invalid, so I'm going to OMGUS (yes, I know it's not scummy) you in my first post, and then call you dumb Town in next that feeds into empirical bullshit."

Are we talking out of both sides of your mouth, or are you deliberately cognitively dissonant?

[Ghostlin]

I'm sorry, I love Harry Potter way too much to let these comments go. So just bare with me.

Ghostlin! You scum again?

Nope.

To address DV, there's only two people that have remotely done anything at this stage of the game to ping any kind of scumdar.

Fuzzy's distracting, but as long as he contributes to scum hunting, I don't really care; DV seems Town to me, and bluntly it's not like there's tons of people to suspect. I've got PA's jump on the Saint wagon, and the amount of flail Saint's doing under pressure. Even I wouldn't want to see Saint lynched at all now without interaction between players, nor would I see PA lynched.

[Ghostlin]

I'm sorry, I love Harry Potter way too much to let these comments go. So just bare with me.

Ghostlin! You scum again?

Nope.

To address DV, there's only two people that have remotely done anything at this stage of the game to ping any kind of scumdar.

Fuzzy's distracting, but as long as he contributes to scum hunting, I don't really care; DV seems Town to me, and bluntly it's not like there's tons of people to suspect. I've got PA's jump on the Saint wagon, and the amount of flail Saint's doing under pressure. Even I wouldn't want to see Saint lynched at all now without interaction between players, nor would I see PA lynched.

[Ghostlin]

Also, I really think Saint is town

Did you decide this before or after 82?

DV has a point; the dialog in 82 seemed to indicate that TMT didn't like something about Saint and then went into how Town he was.

[Ghostlin]

Alright, I think you've sufficiently summarized and explained to me why Saint is scum, so I'll retract my townread on Saint.

*Hands you a piece of fence to sit on.* No one reverses their opinion this quickly. Do you have any conviction (in another game, I'd say 'balls') at all?

Unvote.

Vote: TMT

For 'durr, you're right, Mhork, Saint seems scummy after all.'

[Ghostlin]

nice omgus

OMGUS: Not actually a scum tell.

Am I more scummy because of it?

Ok, and I'm scum because...?

This sounds a bit cheeky, but I'd not buy DV for scum. At least he didn't reverse his position in a complete 180 in his post.

cause my gut says you are scum, and I have learned to trust my gut

Look. I know a number of players read credence in their gut, but you're going to actually have to tell me where in the game DV is being scummy in order to

earn

my vote on the wagon you're trying to start.

[Ghostlin]

I have to admit, the whole 'DV should be modkilled for a joke' seems like an odd push and almost overboard.

[Ghostlin]

I have to admit, the whole 'DV should be modkilled for a joke' seems like an odd push and almost overboard.

I'm not pushing for him to be modkilled

@penguin - I've never played with deas, idk why you thing my push on him is based on something other than his content in THIS game.

Really? The why even make as big of a deal as you WERE making out of it.

Saint #218, lemme ask you this: you like a jump onto me but you don't understand the reasons? You'll have to explain that one to me. Also, if you're that concerned re: me to like the jump, then why?

#222 reads like Town, but there's no reason to be an ass to the guy on V/LA.

[Ghostlin]

Saint's probably Town with his playstyle. Scum doesn't necessarily LIKE attracting the amount of attention Saint has, but it seems he's trying to play for more unpleasant player in the game.

Also, I find the whole 'hasn't posted since Monday' ironic considering there are people posting WAY less content than me in this game.

[Ghostlin]

If I was fencesitting, then explain 125.
It wasn't an opinion, I changed it because I ignored some points that I hadn't looked at earlier.
You completely overreacted to a flip flop and it feels like you're pouncing on a nulltell.

Flip flop is not a null tell. Flip flop means you've got inconsistent positions. Town have procession of reads and stances.

Scum are generally the ones that go 'gee, I don't know, this might be scummy.'

[Ghostlin]

Ghostlin, why do you think TMTOLBTWNTOF's changing his mind based on someone else's case is scummy?

Because the way he did it. It reads like he calls someone scum and then folds after one case. He wasn't committed to the read and was finding a convenient way to get off of it. Once again, it's NOT Town play to do so. Yes, you can have contradictory positions and feelings on a read, Lord knows I've had them more than once, but TMT pulls practically a 360 a post later. There's no progression on that read at all.

Fuzzy's meh. He's not doing the dissonant bullshit of trying to post content that really isn't, but he's not really posting anything either. The carefree could easily be faked and isn't a towntell in my book.

@Saint:

222 read like an aggressive Town push that scum wouldn't even attempt, even on a buddy. It was cruel, but in the way of 'shut up and quit your bellyaching for not being active and be active.

[Ghostlin]

Why is Saint town? That's my question. That's my question to all of you people.

He's kicking hornet's nests and lighting random things on fire as Town, in a Town way. He's questioning peoples reads. He's using tells, he's trying to figure stuff out, even if he's been confrontational about it. (There would be a different word than confrontational, but I think Rule #0 prohibits me calling him the a-word.)

The majority of scum do NOT do this, even when aggressive as scum. The players that annoy the piss out of you because they're such rude ass hats? Town, at least 90% of the time. Unless someone can tell me he's a got a play style that does this as both Town and Scum, and a lot of people DO NOT, I'm 90% sure Saint is Town.

[Ghostlin]

Hang on you think ArcAngel is good at being scum? From what I've seen, she's awesome town and shit scum. It's the reason I've been waiting to see what she does, because she's usually very obvious about her alignment. At least, that's what I've seen in my few games with her.

What do you think about the fact she isn't posting? Is that part of her meta?

[Ghostlin]

BTW, is it douchey to mention I completely didn't realize PA was a female and that didn't sink in until now?

[Ghostlin]

ArcAngel9, why aren't you posting here? This seems like a game you'd be all over if you're tow

I have been sick and away site wide..
are you scum?

What's the purpose of this? I understand you've been sick, but it's been PAGES since you last said something. I'd imagine if you're here to post, you'd have SOMETHING TO SAY.

Also, Jake: why did you ask Amrun about her Town read on me, but you won't push fuzzy on why I'm scum? Particularly since Amrun did the homework and fuzzy could be pulling it out of his butt, for all you know; particularly since last read post you read me as 'null'.

[Ghostlin]

Nothing I find suspicious, no. My reactions with you show me you're town. Saint is also town.
I'd like to hear more from CDB.

Amrun is likely town.
TMT is scum
Ghostlin is scum.

I'm not scum >.<
Blasted replacements.... Catching up

Said every scum replacement, ever.

*SCOWLS* This stinks under progression of reads. I mean, really fucking

stinks.

[Ghostlin]

This day is dragging on and on ._.

Ghostlin, what about those two posts "stinks?"

You mention your reads in 318, then don't mention Mhork at all until all of a sudden, in 412 he's a 'scum replacement'.

I'm not saying you're doing a complete post flip, but generally I some interaction before I call someone scummy.

[Ghostlin]

Saint, why haven't you voted Mhork yet?

[Ghostlin]

Unvoted, rather.

[Ghostlin]

Rach: Also, as Masons, your alignment is confirmed to the other?

[Ghostlin]

Alright, AA. Let me give it to you slowly: We. Are. Not. Lynching. Claimed. Masons. Today.

You're not even trying and jumping on where you can see blood.

Vote: AA

The sum total of your contribution and scum hunting today is zero.

[Ghostlin]

he's not confirmed town

Mmmm. A confirmed, claimed outted Mason group is about as confirmed Town as you get unless you're thinking scum's pulling off the most epic of buses. Even then, they aren't candidates for a Day 1 lynch.

Stop blustering about how I put words in your mouth (I misread them) and read the game.

[Ghostlin]

Unvote.

I couldn't hammer previous for a very good reason. You can't hammer someone who you have a vote already on. If this clears me so Town can look elsewhere, so be it. Someone else go ahead and vote Arc. I have hammer.

[Ghostlin]

Percy Weasly..

I'm really OK with hammering this.

[Ghostlin]

Town SuperSaint is someone gains a vengeful kill upon their lynch, Example in my case, the person who hammers me dies with me.

You are specifically a

super saint

, yes? Not a

vengeful townie

, which a super saint is technically a sub-class of.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Super_saint

[Ghostlin]

Someone put AA at L-1 so I can test out her [line]fake[/line]claim by hammering? I feel she's scummy enough to end the day on, and if it clears me and gives Town more information with my flip, I'll test it out.

AA, Town/Scum list, please?

Town:
Mhork
Rach
Amrun
CDB
Saint

Scum:
Angel
Letters
Fuzzy (weak)

Everyone else is null. I've posted this presuming one of you will put Angel back at L-1. Angel, I recommend you make a similar list.

P-EDIT: Seriously, I don't return the read. You lurk, do nothing and essentially claim a role that's utterly designed for scum not to hammer you and designed to make Towns back off. You then dare a Mason to hammer you when saying it's sub-optimal to kill a single mason is an understatement.

Yes, Town does need to know if the Masons are a bluff or not sooner or later. Wasting the first lynch of the game is NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.

[Ghostlin]

Percy being a Supersaint is totally not in tune with the books

Percy was such an ass and a brown nose too .

I would think it would be a better match with say Hermione

Also, this, although I

despise

setup speculation.

[Ghostlin]

Percy is not the villain of the books Rach, Get that...
Do you think MOD would use Percy role for mafia out of Voldemort? (1) Bellatrix (2), Malfoy(3), Peter (4), crabbe(3), Goyle(3) and instead of ton more other Death eaters? (5) seriously? do you know even the theme?? (6)

1) Existence of fake claims.
2) Bellatrix isn't even mentioned until book 3. While I hate to setup speculation this, I don't think Nexus would pull non-Book 1 characters in a theme not about book one.
3) These are possible. Although read reason 1. (Yes, I fixed her spelling of the names, it was giving me fits)
4) Peter isn't even Peter until book 3. He's Scabbers, an unsuspected family pet at this time. (Which doesn't make him IMpossible, but I'm going to stop there)
5) Most of which aren't even mentioned until Books 3-5, and this is a game about Book 1.
6) Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone was the first book. JK Rowlings publishers across the pond changed it to Sorcerer's Stone because they had doubts the US folks knew what the Philosopher's Stone was. (It's the alchemical agent originally used to transmute lead into gold.)

[Ghostlin]

Percy makes no sense at all as a super saint. Ridic. Kill it now.

Vote for her and I'll hammer. I was on and had to get off. She's at L-2 at the moment.

[Ghostlin]

I think I'm supposed to vote so Ghostlin can hammer. Please confirm so i can do that.

I don't see why letters can't hammer but enough people suspect Ghostlin it's probably just better to not fight this, since I have no reasoning beyond "Ghostlin has said some things that I was thinking and feels town."

Confirm that someone not on the wagon needs to jump on so I can hammer.

[Ghostlin]

Also, TMT's scum list makes me LOL considering if AA is telling the truth, both of his scum reads will be dead soon.

[Ghostlin]

I hate setup spec as well, but note that Percy became an ass in the later books, not the first one. He was decent in the first one.

He was a bit of a git who was a more than a bit drunk on his new found power (I think he was either Head Boy or Prefect in this book) and responsibility. Granted, he didn't do what Rach mentioned, but the fact that Percy's prob-town is not my problem with this scenario.

[Ghostlin]

hah. I'm not hammering that thing. it wouldn't help the town at all.

Will you get it to L-1 so I can hammer?

[Ghostlin]

Vote: Archangel

That's hammer. There you go.

[Ghostlin]

If that's true, I'm gonna pop a blood vessel. WTF? The plan was for me to vote Angel so you could confirm if she's a supersaint or scum.

[Ghostlin]

If that's true, I'm gonna pop a blood vessel. WTF? The plan was for me to vote Angel so you could confirm if she's a supersaint or scum.

when I posted it didn't show me you posted.

I think you hammered

OK.

[Ghostlin]

Kill yourself when i flip town Jake, I am always town.

Except for at least five times, according to your sig. And possibly here.

[Ghostlin]

Dear God. Everyone. What Archangel did hurt Town and is NOT how you fake claim as town IF YOU FUCKING FAKECLAIM AT ALL.

Mhork, I would wager that you're alive for two reasons and I don't want to go over them. Still kinda liking letters right now for scum, will need to reread the thread.

[Ghostlin]

RachMarie, who are your townie reads?

Don't you have a QT to talk about this stuff?

If they're masons, they should. Weird, but related question: do Masons frequently have day talk?

[Ghostlin]

fuzzybutternut, why the twilight objection to the lynch?

I'm definitely waiting on TMTOLBTWNTOF's thoughts to start out today, given that he had ArcAngel9 and Ghostlin as his top scum reads. (1) And his take on the supersaint claim seems off. Given his scum reads, one of whom was at L-1 and the other of whom was ready to hammer at the risk of being supersainted, why not put down the vote to get to L-1? (2) Takes care of both problems. Instead it's characterized as interesting and noted as lynch-dodging behavior.

BROseidon with his slight defense of TMTOLBTWNTOF is still on my radar, but his consistency in wanting Ghostlin to hammer gives him some towniness. Looking into the chatty RachMarie meta overnight, yes, she was chatty in the Popcorn Mafia game, but not significantly more so than in Micro 122 where she replaced in to a very towny slot IIRC. (3) Actually, I wouldn't mind hearing fuzzybutternut's take on the RachMarie meta question, seeing as he was the one who correctly shot her at the risk of his own game death in the Popcorn game.

1. This, plus the little bit of acutal scumhunting is my biggest problem with Letters.
2. I had to beg Amrun to do it. Which, the fact she did it seems like an extremely Town move with the rest of her game play.
3. You're stretching this here. It seems like a very shallow way to analyze meta. Or, let me redirect this into another question, seeing your play at the beginning of the game: do you believe chatiness and activity are things that could be adjusted in one's meta to suit the game?

[Ghostlin]

i am still reeling from that quick hammer
in no way would i have been behaving that way if i was around, nor would i have let you guys
you all should be ashamed of yourselves
wasting a perfectly good lynch on a VI

I missed that claim tbh ... Would have lynched it... Rach could be right. Still.

Yeah, I take full responsibility for that hammer, but I don't feel guilty doing it. Super saint, my ass.

[Ghostlin]

Well, let's drop a vote down in the RIGHT THREAD.

Vote: TMT

[Ghostlin]

@Penguin: Because I had a town read on Arch. Yes, the claim was BS, but it wasn't a scum tell by any means.

No, of course not, because claiming super saint would be only things that Town folk do and scum couldn't manipulate the fact that the fear of the hammering vote of the wagon would croak.

Do you play this game asking yourself about scum motivation when you determine the word 'scummy' or 'scum tell', or do you just make this up as you go along?

[Ghostlin]

^In case you missed it, I don't believe you believe a single word you typed in #612 if you were paying attention at all.

[Ghostlin]

Fuzzy, you fail to take into account that scum make suicidal moves when they're already as good as dead, as arc did. I thought Arc might be some scum variant, but no way was she Percy Weasley, SUPER SAINT. Obviously fake claims like that need to die, because try can never be trusted in lylo. Why can they never be trusted in lylo? Because they have a good shot at being scum.

I think he's being disingenuous on purpose. I think Fuzzy knows well the possible motivations of the AA lynch and he's not even taken the position of 'Gee guys, I don't know, maybe Angel's an VI.'

No, he called it crap in Twilight. And then when he's called on it, he's seeming to claim that it was the most obvious thing in the world she was obv Town and what the hell are we doing?

That's cognitively dissonant on an extreme level, Amrun, and it's not a position I believe comes from Town, but

scum distancing themselves from the lynch

. The Super Saint claim was extreme, a last ditch effort to get folks off her wagon, and while she flipped town, WAS NOT TOWN. IT WASN'T PRO-TOWN, OR BEHAVIOR A VT SHOULD HAVE ENGAGED IN.

[Ghostlin]

So the orginial reason you voted me is something that just dissapated? Also, you have never mentioned me lynch dodging ever, and now you're saying it's your biggest problem?

You do realize you just posted a scum list of two people, if Angel was telling the truth, that were:
a) the easy lynches among the town players (I had been suspected most of Day 1, Angel was going to hang)
b) possible to die soon, leaving you with very few directions to go

Your positions haven't been strong, your reads inconsistent (you're 'I'll retract that townread' with absolutely no progression), and your vote on me earlier this game smacked more of OMGUS then any sincere idea that you think I'm scum.

You're really not scum hunting, and your question reads like 'well, I'm doing it now, so why do you suspect me?'

It doesn't work that way. It never works that way.

Also, your lynch dodging question is WTF because I didn't accuse you of lynch dodging, I'm accusing you of regurgitating the popular scum reads and not really scum hunting.

[Ghostlin]

Fuzzy, if you are VT (PRs are something else entirely) then what do you have to gain by:

1) Insisting you stay alive by lying about your role (yes. You should fight your lynch, but PR claims are extremely anti-town if you don't have one)
2) Claiming a PR that could very easily be counter-claimed.
3) Claiming something that's entire goal is to prevent votes because the hammering vote dies?

You realize you are arguing that we shouldn't have lynched someone guilty of all 3. You have argued at the same time that it was a preservation move for Town and suicidal for scum, as if without a flip there's much of a difference. Your argument is cognitively dissonant at worst and WIFOMsque at best. You refuse to consider for a moment that the Archangel lynch was the right thing to do because we couldn't have taken such a claim to LYLO.

What's worse, I'm not convinced you don't realize exactly all of the above and are pushing this to try to push both on Amrun and clear yourself of any wrongdoing of a mislynch.

[Ghostlin]

TMT, the main difference between you and me is I was probably pretty sure Angel was scum, was willing to carry my conviction to hammer, not knowing if Angel was a supersaint or not.

You mentioned Angel as a scum suspect, didn't cast a vote on her or helped us lynch her in anyway to help test the supersaint claim. I pretty much begged town at the end of the Day. WHY did you NOT jump onto the Angel lynch the moment Town decided it was going to happen? Why did Amrun have to cast the vote before the hammer?

(No, I'm not asking these questions of Fuzzy because Fuzzy was V/LA.)

[Ghostlin]

(And not invested in the Angel lynch. She was listed as scum with me in your reads. Why weren't you invested in that lynch?)

[Ghostlin]

Ghostlin, did you believe arc angels claim before you hammered her?

Not really, it seemed much more likely a scum gambit to keep herself alive.

That said, knowing the game state at that point, I wasn't going to discount it and I'm slightly peeved I didn't flip and give Town that information.

[Ghostlin]

What's bothering me right now is the fact CDB hasn't posted, and promised us something, what, two, three days ago?

[Ghostlin]

Saint, that was absolutely terrible, and you should feel terrible.

^This.

[Ghostlin]

Ghostlin's 531 (pre-supersaint claim) has a weird language dissonance. He says "Let me give it to you slowly: We. Are. Not. Lynching. Claimed. Masons. Today." which sounds like the sort of thing you'd say as a last chance, get-your-shit-together-or-I-vote-you thing, but then he just votes her anyway. Seems like a best-of-both-worlds scum post. (1)

Yeah, I feel there's enough there that Ghostlinscum would have believed that Arc was faking for some reason and be confident enough to hammer. I mean, we all knew Arc was faking, it was obvious bullshit, that's why she was lynched. (2)

Also worth noting: Jake wanted Ghostlin dead pretty badly and he died N1.

Meanwhile, BRO's 523 looks like scum keeping hands clean in expectation of Arctown while encouraging pressure.

VOTE: Ghostlin

1) No. She was being stupid and insisting Mhork was going to hammer a super saint claim. We don't put masons in danger because you've got a boner of a fake claim and you want them to hammer you as supersaint. It doesn't happen. It was scummy.
2) Reading this sentence it essentially reads, "Ghostlin was secure that Archangel was scum and willing to hammer because Archangel's claim was bad." This ignores two facts: Town or scum, I wouldn't have necessarily known AA was bluffing. I would have a lot more to lose as scum being correct than Town. Fact two: this reason is a bunch of cognitive dissonance masquerading as a valid reason to vote. I could of been equally secure of AA's claim being fake as Town but wanted to test it. I could of been holding out on my own flip. Fact is, bad claim, volunteering to hammer for town because Town insists=/=scum.
3) This is WIFOM and you know it.

[Ghostlin]

Apologies. I wasn't aware the site was back up.

Alright, what's the BROsideon case? I need to ISO him, but I'd like the summary of how things stand at the moment.

[Ghostlin]

Alright. I was unable to access Mafiascum for the longest time from my house without a proxy. I am able to access the site now.

We need, not should, popcorn claim today. I will be getting to specific stances to players in no less than 24 hours, but I feel the claim needs to go down nowish.

[Ghostlin]

Really, I believe scum are deliberately leaving the Weasley twins alive for maximum WIFOM purposes, for the sake of my net, we will be looking at Amrun, Saint, PA and CDB today.

[Ghostlin]

NOW can we lynch Ghostlin? (After claims obv but he should go first in all senses of the word)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29599 (This is for the HELP thread, where I had to post)

I've missed at least half a day in all my games. I almost lost my place in queue to mod. I've been replaced out of a game I'm out of play.

You're free to criticize my game play; but if I hear a single complaint that I missed most of Day 2 due to the fact I could NOT post on site, I will rage all over you.

[Ghostlin]

Oh. And the only reason I'm not cussing like a sailor in this game thread is because IT'S AGAINST THE GAME RULES.

[Ghostlin]

Ron Weasley, VT; One of the reasons I agreed to hammer Archangel was we weren't gonna miss out on much.

I've got a Town read on Amrun; CDB goes next.

[Ghostlin]

yo dawg am i alive

Are you

volunteering

to be noticed by me? Because outside of Day 1, I'm having trouble coming up with reasons to remember you.

[Ghostlin]

Am I the only one in this game who's ever read DGB's signature?

[Ghostlin]

Ghostlin, what's your take on the BROseidon and TMT lynches?

TMT was a drag and not someone that Town really wanted in LYLO. At the time, I felt the idea of him being scum wasn't unlikely; then again, I thought Fuzzy was scum with the mind melting logic that Archangel was obv town with the horrible, awful, scumtastic claim of super saint.

BROsideo, yeah, I get Town thought he was bad, but I didn't see it, frankly; his points seemed cognizant and he had replies to the points people made against him. I was away for most of that lynch, but I wouldn't have gone with BRO as the play that day. I'd probably have much rather have lynched CDB, who's tunnelled on me but hasn't done much about it, Saint, who again, I'm having trouble actual scumhunting since Day 1, and either Amrun, who's been Town to me most of the game, but I ask the question now, is she Town now? Why is she still here?

[Ghostlin]

It's PA and Amrun
look at the nameclaims
...Ron is probably VT, just like Harry and Hermione, logically, from my perspective

So, there are only two scum? Plus setup speculation SUCKS.

[Ghostlin]

I still have ghostlin pegged as probably town, though, CDB, but I just don't know.

How? Why? Why?

Why?

Oh, shut up. You've been glued on my ass since Day 2 and yet haven't even been arsed to make a vote. You're even voting PA right now INSTEAD of me.

Town: why is PA a better choice than CDB or Saint? I'm not saying she's not scummy, I'm asking the question now.

[Ghostlin]

In fact,

Vote: CDB

..until someone answers the question above.

[Ghostlin]

Oh, shut up. You've been glued on my ass since Day 2 and yet haven't even been arsed to make a vote. You're even voting PA right now INSTEAD of me.

Don't be ridiculous. I wanted you dead yesterday and voted to that effect. Fuzzy followed me onto it and agreed with me, so you don't get to pretend that my case didn't make any sense. I'm on record today as saying that I do not understand how this game makes sense without both you and penguin being scum but the rest of the players seem more interested in starting with penguin, so fine, we'll start with penguin. It doesn't matter.

Mhork: HOW DO YOU THINK THIS GUY IS TOWN

Um, yes. The entire predicate that you based your rationale on was language bullshit and highly subjective. You're also forgetting that Fuzzy rather upbraided Town for not lynching the Archangel claim. So, going 'Fuzzy was Town' as you part of your rationale now is just layering it on, isn't it? You did nothing day 2. You got off me when BRO took off and you're claiming the person that had the silliest predicate for their reasoning as your evidence that people are convinced I'm scum.

Fine. Since my choices are from the following pool: CDB, Saint, Amrun, PA; and if I believe Amrun's town, any one of the three will make me happy since I've only got PoE left.

Unvote.

Vote: PA

She'll be scum, since CDB probably is.

[Ghostlin]

Also, if Amrun isn't town, Saint is. So, it's down to CDB/PA regardless of the setup, and if we lynch PA today and CDB tomorrow, that's fine.