Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[DoctorPepper]

Hi, I am DoctorPepper. Some call me DP, but you can address me however you want as long as I know its me. Now, unlike the IC, I have no obligation to answer your questions, however I will try to answer them to help out.

Now, before you start wondering why people are voting people for silly reasons ( like this) - I've seen this in literally all the newbie games I've been in

VOTE: Yessiree because you wanted to mod this game

In MS, we start off with Random Voting Stage or RVS. Since at the start of the game, we have nothing to base our accusations on, we vote randomly until someone slips or offers a serious vote.

Also, we

do not no lynch

day 1. I know some people come from sites which do advocate this practice, but here in this newbie game we uave 7 town and 2 scum. Theoretically, it is possible to no lynch until we need to to get scum, but its bad for town because we have nothing to base our accusations of. Basically with this, we are afforded 3 mislynches, and we can use this to see why they were lynched, who was behind them and was it scum driven.

Okay, I'll let our IC do most of the explaining, from now on haha.
Good luck!

[DoctorPepper]

Are you mafia gene?

That only works on me irl.

This feels like a scum slip. The easy answer was no, regardless of alignment. This was not a town answer because its not supposed to work if you were town, by saying that "it doesnt work this time" it implies you as scum

VOTE: gene

And just like that, were out of RVS

[DoctorPepper]

I also now have a scumread on gene. He seems happiest engaging in theory discussion rather than repeated requests to engage with specific events in this game.

Meh, not a scum tell for me, newbies usually do this.

Bacde's vote? Seems like something Bacde would normally do. Its there to spark discussion.

[DoctorPepper]

If youre town, you dont need to seem like youre not mafia gene.

[DoctorPepper]

Did you just put him at L-1? This seems, opportunistic.

VOTE: yessirree

[DoctorPepper]

Welcome Bob, what do you think of the gene wagon.

Sidenote, gene please get an avatar. It helps us distinguish you from everyone else. Like we'll know its you with out looking at your name

[DoctorPepper]

list of questions

1) Are you a mafioso?
2) What is your favorite color?
3) What hobby do you spend most time on?
4) What is your stance on the topic of globalisation?
5) Are you a mafioso?
6) What is the best thing you ever did?
7) ARE YOU A MAFIOSO?
8) What do you like better: Dr. Pepper, Pepsi or Coke?
9) ARE YOU A MAFIOSO YOU WONT FOOL ME BOY

VOTE: ChannelDelibird because his answer to question 3 will be suspicious. (Also for jumping on the Gene wagon with a silly reason.)

So this is both an RVS and a serious vote?

[DoctorPepper]

This game is about nitpicking and looking at every player's post to see if they screw up. The thing is, the are you mafia thing was more like a test because you said "I get flustered irl" and it wasnt really a dumb question, its to see if you do actually get flustered if you were mafia.

Again, re iterate. Town does not aim to look town, it aims to scum hunt. Now stop defending yourself because its not townie and tell me right now who you think is scum

[DoctorPepper]

I actually think a yessirree/gene team is possible at this point. Why?
1. Their individual scumminess. Gene always wants to look town, he literally says this. And he refuses to scum hunt and instead opts to defend himself. Now, I dont think scum would actually say "Im trying to look town", but maybe this could be the product of him being new. Also, his reads list. Its basically a list of people being called town for reasons that sometimes dont make any sense. His reason for a town bob was based on his vote on CDB, by calling him out on the bandwagon when CDB's RVS vote was the first vote on him. Second, his reads for people who voted for him or expressed suspicion for him was null to scum, except for one notable omission, yessirree. Clarification, gene read this. Hypothetically, lets say youre town. Town doesnt know it, the mafia does. Hell, town doesnt know anyone, so if you were town, not everyone voting you is scum. Why? Because the town is basically blind, it cant tell who is who. Town is not some super sleuth for hire that just finds scum like that and inly scum vote for townies, if that were true, we wouldnt be playing mafia. Its called scumhunting, do it. I have no idea how someone is scum for being happy go lucky, thats a playstyle tell.
Yessirree's actions are odd. The statistics thing, while not scummy, is not helpful. The only statistics that matter to some people is their Win/Loss ratio. Bringing up statistics on who could be scum is dumb because there is no basis and Im glad to see you've stopped. His vote on gene was at L-1 and he didnt mention it, and he parroted my reasoning to boot. Then later he unvoted saying, "I want to remove the pressure and avoid an insta" when a) there was little pressure and b) he was at L-2 not L-1 so the insta thing wasnt there and it seemed like something to get town cred.
2. Interactions. Yes voted gene, which was opportunistic as fuck. This made me think that they couldnt be partners but then again maybe a) it was a vote to get town cred (whih didnt work) or b) he was ready to bus. The unvote as well made me cringe. Gene's reads list was the kicker. He listed suspicions on everyone who voted or suspected him, except Yessirree. This is odd because a) he reads yes as town for some useless reason like "he uses statistics, which make me think of him as maf, but I will rely on you later on so youre town" lolwhutttt. So he's town BECAUSE? I am drawing a blank. Its odd because b) yes freaking put him at L-1, he voted for you. I thought you thought everyone who voted for you was maf. And no one had good reasons to vote you? We all did, except for yes. So what is this? Being new, I doubt he'd bus, so he first said his partner was town, but then says "what you did makes you look scummy" while ignoring every other scummy thing he did like VOTING FOR HIM, which is what qualifies as scum in his book.

Why dont we lycnh one and see the flip. If he flips scum, we go for the other one. What does everyone think?

[DoctorPepper]

Forgot to add. Yessirree, why do you question JK's vote on you but not mine when we had similar reasons.

Gene your posts made me facepalm. One, crimes? Rape? What place do they have in this game. Two, mafia do worry about getting caught, thats why they make their posts cautiously, because you look for a mafioso through 2 things. a) his posts motivation and b) his scumminess. Words are the only tool you have in this game, which is why maf should be cautious.

And slips exist! Slips are something the mafia accidentally says and they get caught by town for it, like if I was mafia, then I'd say something stupid that makes it obvious I was mafia.

Bacde, look at yessiree now. Or rather look at gene's list and his interactions with yes.

[DoctorPepper]

Both are at L-3 right now and Im comfortable lynching either of them at this point.

[DoctorPepper]

That was laughable. Maybe I faded into the background cause I have a life and I dont stay here 24/7? Maybe its because when the game started yesterday it was 6 am where Im from and I needed to go to class so I didnt post until today?
Maybe I unvoted because youre vote was opportunistic as fuck? Which it was.

Perfect way to get attention off me? Attention was never on me in the first place. And I believe I've stated my reasons as to why Im comfortable with a lynch of either of you. Funny how you are suspecting me right after I said you were scum. Lol, you didnt even read my arguments did you, you just saw your name and you were like "Holy shit, what the fuck bbq, he's on to me, must question everything, even if it all makes perfect sense"

[DoctorPepper]

Your*

[DoctorPepper]

So many "maybe"s and question marks in your last post. Starting to feel uncertain, are you? Trying to word everything carefully in a question format so you are held less accountable for what you've said. I suspect anyone and everyone equally, and the more information I have, the better I can sort through the logic. If you actually READ all of my last post, you will note that I didn't actually label you as scum, I simply put the possibility out there. However, from the way you responded to my post, I'm starting to grow more suspicious of you. It looks like you are the one who jumped out of his chair and went "holy shit, how did this guy know?" And then you proceeded to write me 2 garbage paragraphs that didn't make a single logical statement.

And for your information, I read all of your arguments, but it is YOU who didn't read all of my posts.

Your vote switch on me, on the surface, looks like a good move in general.

Almost too good.

I voted him because I sensed gene's scum slip, whether that was indeed a scum slip or just inexperienced play, I was determined to put my vote on him to find out. It doesn't hurt the town to lynch someone like that.

So of course I'm not gonna sit idly and let you and JKM plot my lynch on day 2. That models the standard scum play; by making someone else the "common enemy". In this case that "common enemy" is me.

But this is a survival game.

And I am town.

So I will not be lynched today, I will not be lynched tomorrow, and I will not be lynched on any day thereafter. You can waste your vote on a townie if you like, or you can get off your lazy ass do some actual scum-hunting.

Lol, you actually thought those weren't rhetorical questions? (In case you didnt know, this was also a rhetorical question, L2R). You think I was asking you if I was online 24/7? Wow. Misrep.

Ironic "get of your ass and learn to scumhunt" statement. Ironic because it came from the person who decided that statistics are a way to determine if people were scum. Misrep.

"didnt label you as scum" while saying that if gene was scum, then I was scum. That is a label. Then later on you say that me and JKM are planning to lynch the common enemy, which is a scum strategy, so you lied you are actually calling me scum. Just out it and say it.

If it doesnt hurt town to lynch someone like that, why did you unvote and say "he needs less pressure"? In fact, you called me out for picking on him for his read list that could just be the product of him being a newb, yet you say "it doesnt hurt town to lynch someone like that". Logic right there.

I find your defensiveness odd. You arent in any real danger of being lynched, with only 2 votes. Yet you go on and say "I wont be lynched today, I wont be lynched tomorrow". Furthermore, you attempt to discredit me by saying my paragraphs against you are garbage where in fact they just answered the accusations you made against me.

Maybe you should get off your ass and scumhunt.

[DoctorPepper]

If people can do that, then that's cool.

Still, I feel like dying to prove one's innocence should be the last resort. Should always fight with logic first.

Two posts later

If me dying will help town catch scum faster, then that's fine by me.

I just want to be alive when town wins, because there will be a greater sense of accomplishment that way.

Look, we dont need you to die, we need you to help town. Survival is not the win condition for town and thinking that is scum mentality. In fact, by dying, people use the death as a scumhunting method, to see why you were probably night killed, or to see who lead to your lynch.

[DoctorPepper]

^coaching much?

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: Bicephalous Bob

Bob, the role PM states the exact win condition of town. This is your first game right? By saying you didnt know the wincon, you didnt get the PM containing the town wincon.

How did I not notice that slip???
Barring an epic bus, Rikalbu is town.
Bacde is town, he isnt playing like the scum Bacde I've been partners with
Yes actually looking at meta cases actually strikes me as an effort to scum hunt, but he still defends himself too much.
The only scummy thing with CDB is his lack of posting, which isnt exactly scummy but sure he needs pressure.


But this is a huge slip, lets lynch Bob

[DoctorPepper]

Yes, because its in a spoiler tag that people might not read.

Bob, if you didnt know the "exact" wincon, what did you think it was, if you were town?

[DoctorPepper]

Wording. Bob's is more direct and feels like a slip. Yes, just feels like someone who wants to be alive, which is both scum because thats the wincon and a townie who feels that being alive is some sort of accomplishment. That didnt register to me as a slip, when I was a newbie, I wanted to be alive til endgame, town or scum.

Bacde, if it wasnt a slip, how exactly did he not know the win con of town?

[DoctorPepper]

Yes. You do realize that being alive as town means that scum think youre an asset to them or lynch bait.

Anyway, I'd like to see if Bob can squirm out of this, but I dont see it happening. You cant just say "I didnt read my role PM properly" to explain how you didnt know the town win condition.

I do wish CDB would come back as he promised. NS, do you still think Rika is scum after that?

[DoctorPepper]

Hi, Bob made a scum slip. That is all.

[DoctorPepper]

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated

Unless you are a threat to town, its okay to be eliminated. Im not buying it.

[DoctorPepper]

Common scum play. Call one of your biggest attackers town and hope he ignores you instead of trying to prove why he might be wrong. Why am I probably townsfolk to you Bob?

Pebro doesnt exactly remove the scum feel slot from gene, like how he is defending the fairly obvious slip. Also that jumping on the CDB wagon seems opportunistic, like he saw the IC and the SE vote for him for lurking, then he uses the exact same reason, when other people (JK Matthew) have done the same.

[DoctorPepper]

Hey yes, by that logic you should lynch me too because Im 0-2 as town and 2-0 as scum? Or maybe you should lynch Bacde because we had a game where we were scum together and won and he's been playing since 2005 so if he was scum,mhe'd be a great maniulator, riiiight? What is my point? Oh yeah. Stop using statistics, every game is independent from each other. Use scumminess to determine whether you should lynch someone not use useless outdated statistics. You do not lynch perceived bad players (and not to kiss ass or anything but I dont think you've been here long enough to start calling longstanding members of the community "bad players"), you lynch scum.

Bob, that whole"Besides, if I called you scum, you'd have an explanation for Bob is scum too" kinda makes me think yiu just called me town to appease me or something because you know Im town? The wording is weird, like youre saying "I know you, and Im calling you town instead of scum because either way youre going to have a case against me". I lol'd at the exaggerated part but seriously, the win con itself says "You win when all threats to town have been eliminated" unless youre a threat to town, you dont need to survive to win. It says nothing about "you need to stay alive to win". But okay, assuming you are town, who are your top scum reads and please pressure them instead of just defending yourself and doing nothing but defending yourself.

[DoctorPepper]

To some extent I agree with the whole Bandwagon jumping thing, but my point isnt dont usejust stats, its dont use stats at all.

[DoctorPepper]

Then if you think yes is town, why is your vote still on him?

CDB needs to get back in this game, I saw him post in other threads. Also

Has JKM been prodded? He's been replaced in other games

[DoctorPepper]

JK is kind of a parrot, M agreeing with him but most of what he says basically have been said by someone else. His reason for liking the Bob wagon seemed opportunistic, there's something about the wording of his reasons seems like "I doont think he slipped, but Im okay with lynching him".

SE clarification, if the goal of the game is to stay alive, we wouldnt have time to scumhunt and we let scm win because all we do is hunt

[DoctorPepper]

JK is kind of a parrot, M agreeing with him but most of what he says basically have been said by someone else. His reason for liking the Bob wagon seemed opportunistic, there's something about the wording of his reasons seems like "I doont think he slipped, but Im okay with lynching him".

SE clarification, if the goal of the game is to stay alive, we wouldnt have time to scumhunt and we let scm win because all we do is hunt

[DoctorPepper]

Sorry for the double post

Mod, do you mind deleting it?

[DoctorPepper]

Nope, Im town. I stopped being conservative as town because I always lose as town. Try again Pebro

[DoctorPepper]

Bob, your reason for voting NS just seems like a bandwagon vote with terrible reasoning. He's voting Rika because he could slip, and you think its a dumb reason. But no town needs to slip, only scum slip. You guys are focusing on a vote e followed through an FOS. Here's the thing, scum would love not to be noticed, so they go on with the easy wagon, which is why a case on NS jumping from bw to bw with CDB first and Bob second, would have made more sense on your part Bob, but no. You just keep attacking the Rikalbu FOS vote, maybe its because you dont want to look like you suspect NS after he voted you and be called for OMGUS no?

Pebro, I think in that game your referring to, I was asking because in endgame I was the lynch that killed town. You know why? Because I was so conservative, I looked scummy. I only clarified things for everyone's future reference. And I. Pushing the Bob lynch for the slip you are completely ignoring.

[DoctorPepper]

Not knowing the exact win condition still feels like a slip to me. Even as scum, you know the town win if you lose. Simple as that, my vote stays.

I should make a catch-up post since evryone here posts while I am asleep. Fuck the no walls thing, I have school in a few hours.

JKM, you said that everyone suspecting could be scum latching on to him in 302 but its probably not the case, by virtue of saying that youre calling everyonre suspecting yes as being town? Then aside from yes, who is his partner, if you think yes scum = bob town, which I have no idea how that association was made. Also, by you stating that what you said was said by everyone else, is the parroting I was talking about.

I just loooove how yes calls JKM's above post laughable because its full of attentional and interpretive bias when his posts have been the same damn thing
"Lynch NS for being a bad player"
"Bacde, you seem to be good at hunting" - buddying
"Yo Bacde, how you gonna respond to that?"

Also yes, cockiness isnt a scum tell but cut it out and earn it.
And why self -vote? Because the suspicion of gene wore off when he did it? Now granted, you diodnt have as many votes for you at that time compared to gene, so it maybe isnt one of those tactics, but self voting is only valid if youre scum and only if its a self hammer to devoid town of information. SO why self vote?
"NS will win the game for me?" - I find no town motivation in this post, the fact that you had to say me instead of us, kinda shows a self interest which is anti-town in itself. Are you playing for town or are you playing to survive?

JKM, why would you think they are bussing?

CDB's vote is weird, JKM asks why isnt everyone voting for yessirree, then one post later he votes for yessirree, and after yes's self vote. Does the self vote make him scum? But anyway, do you think Bob is town now?

323 "I say we found a whole in your logic." I could see this as newb scum saying "Me and my partner found a whole in your logic"
Its ironic you called NS for tunneling

Bacde, a lot of people say NS is scum. You think he is town, but you've doubted it because you've never thought of him as town? So whats different? Also by saying this are you saying he is "too towny to be town"? I've never played with NS and I think he's town in this game.

So Bacde expresses suspicion of yes's self vote, then says you dont like the wagon. What?

NS's reasons for why yes is scum and yes's reasons for why NS is scum are both playstyle tells. SMH.

Pebro: "I dont think jumping wagons is necessarily scummy" while voting for someone who jumped a band wagon after asking yes why he suspected that person. Fishy.

I highly doubt NS and yes are scum together, nobody busses day 1 in newbies unless one is at L-1.

[DoctorPepper]

Im saying a new player in his first game has probably on read one role PM in his whole MS career would have made that slip

[DoctorPepper]

Besides, youre just twisting my words. Its obvious that scum know that they win if town loses. They cant both win, duh. Guys, he answered terribly to that, lets just lynch bob now, Im sure he's scum

[DoctorPepper]

No it is not, its interesting, yes/ But its for after game discussion, not now.

CDB, I'll save you the time. Vote Bob. Everyone else, follow

[DoctorPepper]

@CDB: I know whatever I'm doing is sketchy as fuck, but trust me I know this will benefit town in the end

Explain now and maybe people will reconsider but our perception is, youre not doing anything to help town at all.

I would prefer a Bob lynch, but I am declaring intent to hammer. Yes, please claim.

[DoctorPepper]

meh I still prefer a bob lynch

This. As much as yes is unhelpful, I really, really think Bob slipped. But anyway, yes. Do you have any reason as to why I should lay the hammer down?

Anyone object to me delivering the hammer?

[DoctorPepper]

Yes, I shall wait, we have a long deadline

[DoctorPepper]

Actually if yes was scum, I think he wouldn't be this accepting of his faith and he'd try to push the Bob wagon. I still want bob today. Or he could be protecting Bob if they were partners

Yes, dont be so stubborn, asode from the slip, its his answers, like in 360 where he tells me that "Are you saying that mafioso know the exact win condition of town? This is the exact opposite of what you're accusing me off" where his misreps me to discredit this whole slip thing.

Okay disregard the slip, why do you think Bob is town?

[DoctorPepper]

I see we've lost a lot of posts

[DoctorPepper]

His responses to said scum slip. Isnt a scum slip enough anyway?

[DoctorPepper]

Anyway, i checked the forums just before it crashed so I barely got to read anything, if anyone has even the slightest memory of what happened during that time, a recap would be much appreciated.
Did Titus replace Rikalbu?

[DoctorPepper]

I have an iPad, so Im using safari. Its in my sig. Can you like find a way to post it?

[DoctorPepper]

This sucks, I cant see it. Oh well, I'll try to getnto a PC so I can view it

[DoctorPepper]

Comments: I find it ironic that Bacde says Pebro is fence sitting when he himself does this ("I dont like a yessiree lynch", "Ahh im coming around to the idea of a yessiree lynch"
Pebro, look into PIRATE MAFIA, Mafia on the Shore for my town losses and The Half Baked Curse to see if there is any difference in my town games

[DoctorPepper]

Welcome Titus, thanks for reading me as town when I was scum and scum when I am town. I dont get your state,ent. If yes is scum, then Bob is his ally but if hes is scum then its also me and NS?

[DoctorPepper]

I never said it was sheeping, I said it was weird he called someone out for Fence sitting. Anyway, had I jumped on the train? There was 1 vote (yours) before I had voted, if I was as opportunistic as you say I am, I would have hammered the L-1 wagon right now, but I havent now, have I?

Was it not a scum slip when someone says they dont know the exact win condition of the town???

[DoctorPepper]

I havent given a statement on NS, yet I also havent given a statement on Rika, CDB, JKM, and Pebro. Your associative tell doesnt make sense. Also, what makes you so sure that NS and yes are going to flip differently, this implies that at least one of them is scum, when it could actually be possible that a town vs town is happening.

[DoctorPepper]

Titus, you claim that I made no stance on NS, yet in your bolded part, one sentence says " I've never played with NS and I think he's town in this game." So one, how is that a subtle defense of NS when I clearly stated I think he is town. Thats a misrep. So, I get where youre getting at that me saying (or "subtly implying" like you have been saying) that NS is town could make you think Im scum if you think he is scum. In fact, this statement is in itself ironic because while you call me out for defending NS "without officially giving a stance on him" (lies, BTW), you pretty much attack everyone on Bob, "subtly defending him" while you call him neutral. If youre intent on calling people jumping on Bob scummy, then Bob isn't neutral to you at all.

You're wrong about me.

Why?
1. You say I'm opportunistic, yet if I was truly opportunistic, I would have hammered yessirree by now. But you say that "Dr. Pepper, a scum with one game underneath knows that hammering opportunistically and cutting the day short is a fast route to a lynch. Again, look what happened to James May in our game." See, the difference is, I've already asked for a claim and declared intent to hammer whereas James May pretty much hammered without a claim. (for those of you interested Newbie 1372 is here, I was scum with Titus as town). The thing is, I already had approval to hammer, but I didnt because I was more confident of Bob scum than yes scum. So if I was really that opportunistic scum, I would have hammered and likely not have faced consequences for it (the only exception being if he was scum, then I'd get shit for not hammering him). But im not scum this game.
2. Im not being anal over someone asking a question, I truly believed he slipped. Here's the thing, if someone says "they dont know the exact win condition as town", its possible that as new scum who received his first role PM, he wouldn't really know the win condition of the other side now, would he? Unless he read the sample role PM. Now, yes its possible for him to have really thought that people can win even with death, but im not leaving out the very real possibility that he slipped. The difference between you in our game and Bob this game is that 1) your "scum tells" were literally meta tells that I wouldn't lynch you for as twon where as what Bob said felt like a slip. 2) This might be self-meta but I defend lynch bait players as scum to gain their trust (which is what I tried with you that game). Different scenarios, dont match similar conclusions.
3. I already explained the opportunistic part
4. I did reveal a read on NS, and you say that this alone makes me scum, however Bacde also stated NS is town and also wants Bob lynch and is also willing to compromise with a yes lynch, yet he reads town to you even if you say that you think his jump on Bob is either opportunistic or that he labels him as scummy. So how am I not labeling him as scummy and you only consider that I could be really opportunistic?

So I think this is carry over from 1372 and you really dont trust me cause I manipulated you all as scumzzies. Also fence sitting is not sheeping. Sheeping is literally acting like sheep and following people around with no rhyme or reason.

So Titus, care to explain why you defend Bob even if you dont call him town? And you say a yessirree lynch is most beneficial yet dont vote him? (or at least state intent to or anything?)

[DoctorPepper]

Also, it is POSSIBLE that Yessiree and NS are both town. The inability of both of them to work with the group at large.

LOL this made me laugh, I was planning on a avatar bet with NS so he can have himself a manly man avatar.

But I know NS will chicken out anyways so...

Avatar bets are against the site (and probably my) rules. This is your one and only warning.

Out of context but Majiffy and Nachomamma made an avatar bet, I dont think its illegal actually

[DoctorPepper]

Not what Im saying, thanks for the misrep scum.

[DoctorPepper]

I had permission to hammer. James's hammer was scummy because he never asked intent to hammer. Thats why it was bad. Its not simply because it cuts the day short. Read from context, Titus.

I literally said "I think NS is town". You bolded it. How is that not an official stance? So I said I havent given one? Yeah, I forgot until you pointed it out.

Lol. You say me saying I want a bob lynch while saying i want yessirree is scummy, then you do the same.

[DoctorPepper]

Wait wait wait, how exactly are you sure that yessirree is a mislynch??

Slip. Again.

[DoctorPepper]

Calling the team of Titus and Bob

[DoctorPepper]

My issue is that being the hammer on a mislynch isn't the problem.

.

[DoctorPepper]

I never said the last voter is always scum. But you literally said "my issue with a hammer on a mislynch". Why are you so sure its a mislynch???

Then later you say yes is scummy, while saying "while you defend your partner". Days should never be cut short? Dont weasel your way out of this, its not scummy to cut a day short by like what, 2 days? And how many times do I have to tell you that the James vote was dumb because there was no intent to hammer. Im pretty sure if people agree to a hammer, there is an underlying concession that its okay to end the day.

But oh well, I cant convince scum that they are scum

[DoctorPepper]

Look who's upset at being caught. Lol. Look at the back track. First yes was scum, so when I attacked the faulty logic, apparently Im scum. Im not selectively quoting, you slipped.

Sheep me and lets win town.

[DoctorPepper]

You attacked me cause i said I wasnt opportunistic cause I could have hammered yessirree if I wanted to, i countered by saying that its not scummy. You counter by saying you didnt think hammers on mislynches were scummy. You know he is a mislynch

[DoctorPepper]

Why is everyone posting on other threads but not this one? Its basically a won game for crying out loud

[DoctorPepper]

When the fuck did I say that? Misrep. Thanks scum.

Arent you saying me being overconfident because I have two scum reads and I claim to be right a concession that you know Im town? See, if you were confident I was scum, you wouldnt say I was overconfident, because duh scum need no confidence in their reads because they know who is who.

Yeah Im done, and so is this game. GG town, we pretty much won.

[DoctorPepper]

Well I believed your claim and I didnt think you were scum anymore.

Im more confident in a Titus scum flip actually.

VOTE: Titus

Knowing Titus, she'll say its OMGUS, without realizing that OMGUS actually refers to voting for someone just because they voted for you.

Sheep me.

[DoctorPepper]

Holy shit you have got to be kidding me. This is the weakest scum defense I have ever seen. I've misrepped you? 1. Thats false. 2. Youre a hypocrite. 2. I think I've explained why I voted you, your effort to discredit it is weak.

Town win imminent homie

[DoctorPepper]

Hey, here's the thing. Scum need not be right. Because they never are unless they are bussing. You saying im fixated on being right is a concession you know im town.

Guys, it so obvious now. Lets just get this over with.

[DoctorPepper]

I am done trying to convince you or anyone else that youre scum, it should be obvious by now. Goodnight

[DoctorPepper]

Whynisnt anyone listening to my case on the Titus Bob team??? This is actually pissing me off

[DoctorPepper]

Seems pretty clear that Bacde is trying to change his vote to see who will hammer or push for one.

NS pushed for a fast lynch which shuts off additional scum hunting, in my previously stated opinion, that's scummy. I am willing to hammer if a better target doesn't emerge but I have my reserva tions given Dr. Pepper's explosions and faulty reasoning.

Exactly how is it clear, especially when Bacde has expressed an intent to want a yes lynch before? And Titus, ending the day early is not scummy. I dont know how many times I have to say that.

Lol, I havent exploded, I exposed you. Its ironic you call me out for faulty reasoning when your reasoning is illogical as well.

[DoctorPepper]

Certainly. I have class in a few hours so it wint be long and it doesnt need to be

Rikalbu was a town read of mine until Titus replaced him.
Rikalbu voted for Bob when Bob slipped, Im thinking this was to gain town cred, for being the first person to notice the slip. (yeah, I know I said I dont think scum busses this early)
Bob's answers to the slip are subjective. At one point he in 360 he responds to my query by saying "Are you saying that the mafioso knows the town win condition? This is the exact opposite of what youre accusing me off" when its pretty fucking obvious that scum knows town wins if they lose, which is exactly what I said. The question answering from him was dodgy, it indicates he doesnt know how to properly answer the questions because he was caught. In 447 he misreps me.
Another Bob tell aside from the slip and the dodgy question answering is interactions with attackers. He barely goes for Rika and actually supports Totus. But who was the first person who voted for Bob for slipping? Rikalbu. So why not attack him? Bcause youre scummzies.

Titus on the other hand made me rethink my read on the town Rikalbu slot. Titus enters the game attacking the biggest attacker of Bob, me. Se then says Im opportunistic, failing to realize that if I was playing as scum I could have hammered by now with minimal consequences because I had approval from some townies (CDB, Bacde) to hammer. She then claims that ending the day early is the scummy part when this isnt true and I can attest that if there people agree to a hammer. Then Im pretty sure they agree its okay to cut the day early. She accuses me of being opportunistic because Im willing to hammer you when I have Bob as my top read, only to say a few posts later "I have a strong scum read on Dr.P but Im willing to vote for yes" hypocrisy.
Titus then points out that you are a mislynch. 449 she says that her issue with the hammer on the mislynch isnt the problem, again going to her silly point of "ending the day is scummy". What is the underlying conclusion of this statement? Titus bring an example of a game we both had where I was scum and someone hammered with 10 freaking days left on the deadline without stating intent to hammer. Uses this to compare to me when the context is different. Then later says that the hammer on the mislynch isnt the problem, underlying conclusion is that Titus knows you are a mislynch. Shecompares the two situations, I said I wasnt opportunistic because I could have hammered you.

She responds by saying the hammer on a

mislynch

isnt the problem

.
Another slip? Yes it happened. Titus claims me being saying Im right all the time means Im scum. Scum. Is. Never. Ever. Right. Unless. They. Bus. Why? Scum has no need to be right, they know who everyone else is, they know who town is and who scum is. Me being overconfident of my scum reads? Why say Im over confident? Why backtrack later on and claim scum are only fixated with being right to convince people? Why say I think Im right and not say "I know youre wrong" or something to that extent. The difference is subtlety. Saying You think your right, indicates a scum knowing that someone is town. Saying I know youre wrong indicates someone knows he is town and is being pressured as scum by someone. The underlying premise is, Titus knows Im town and knows I caught up with them
This Titus is different from the town Titus in the first game, town Titus is less aggressive and a little sheepy. It seems like Titus got her first scum Role PM and dedcided to "make her buddy seem as town without directly saying so" when she clearly defends Bob as if he was town, while saying he is completely null. What is that?

Thats all I have to say (aside from "Im right, can we please just lynch one today and go after the other tomorrow")

[DoctorPepper]

Hey look. Scum coaching

[DoctorPepper]

Show me where my logic is faulty. As in point it out.

[DoctorPepper]

1. The only thing I said was I read the slot as town until you came in, because you have been scummy. Pointless point.
2. Yes I said it, I even pointed it out. Pointless point.
3. I pointed out that Bob doesnt attack the first person who said he slipped, I never said anything in that statement directed at you. Why answer a statement meant for Bob? Scum defense.
4. Oh dear God, stop with this whole fake towny looking "I dont want to end the day early" BS. Now youre just doing it for town cred because its not scummy to end the day with people's approval. The context between the scenario your comparing it with is different.
5. My point was you said the hammer on a mislynch wasnt the problem when youre problem was ending the day early. Stop dodging this. You clearly stated the hammer on a mislynch wasnt the problem when we were reffering to yessirree and I states intent to hammer him. This implies you know he was a mislynch. Stop. Dodging. That.
6. Your a town leader? You've pretty much slipped all over the place. That other game you were so concerned with looking town and you were even less active Day 2. And the fact here is these "points" you addressed towards me do not answer my case against you at all.

You should just better stop talking. Or no, keep talking, it incriminates you more for the scum you are.

Telling Bob to be careful about using someone else's language as an argument. Yes, that is coaching.

[DoctorPepper]

You never answered me. How is it clear that Bacde is trying to change his vote for whoever hammers yes?

Guys I wont be happy until both of these guys are lynched cause Im sure theyre scum buddies. Prove me wrong anyone.

[DoctorPepper]

Hey, guess what. Point 3 stated that you answered a question directed at Bob. Thats why its bad, youre defending him even when unprompted.
Youre doing something supposedly town to look town, because I've said numerous times its not scummy to end the day if people are okay with it, you keep saying that it too look like youre townie, its something I do as scum too, say something townish to avoid suspicion.

You never actually answer the points addressed. You say its not dodging, without proving why. You dont try to prove me wrong. Because you know Im right. You never say "youre wrong DP" you say "you think youre right"

I know who the two scum are. I also know that people who usually say "lets stop fighting and lets find scum" are usually scum who dont want the extra attention and I've seen it happen before.

[DoctorPepper]

480"Seems like Bacde will change his vote to whoever hammers."
495"Obviously he cannot change this vote to be on the hammerer, unlike what you imply"

Stop backtracking, I can see your footprints even before you've actually killed someone, scum

[DoctorPepper]

Who will hammer or push for one, im not twisting your language. You literally say who will hammer or push for one. Then you back track later by saying "I only meant push for one, obviously he cant vote the one who will hammer."

The game where two people are fighting and one person says "lets stop and scum hunt!
Frog and jiggsbro get into a huge argument over something, frog as scum says they should stop fighting and scumhunt. Frog says in mafia QT (hi UN, please stop fucking the site up), "I had to stop and dissociate myself with Jiggsbro, cause it was not getting anywhere" unwanted attention.

Self meta time: if I was scum, I would have distanced myself from my partner, soft bussing. You saw me do this with levio when I was scum with her. When I was scum with Bacde, we bussed til he gained towncred. Also its funny how you had a scum read on yes, but decidento go with me cause I've

pointed out why you were scum for the millionth time now

Hey yes, i pointed out way more reasons than a chainsaw. Besides, a chainsaw isnt a reliable tell without a flip.
I have pointed out that damn scum slip too many times already and everyone is ignoring it.

[DoctorPepper]

Why is there no reason to do this? If I was scum and my partner made a mistake everyone will notice, then I would point it out so that no one suspects me and thinks Im uber town for it. It has happened before, dont discount it.

This is giving me a headache.

[DoctorPepper]

Hey, CDB and NS, its annoying to see you post in other forums but not this one.

[DoctorPepper]

My issue is that being the hammer on a mislynch isn't the problem.

.

[DoctorPepper]

Your missing. NS thinks yes is scum and doesnt think bob is scum anymore. Bacde thinks yes is town and bob might have slipped.

Wow, calls self meta worthless while providing self meta. How. Fucking. Smart.

You didnt answer the crux of the argument here,

I never said the slip came from the hammer, I said you slipped because we were talking about me hammering yessirree and you pretty much said "A hammer on a mislynch is not what I find scummy"

YOU PRETTY MUCH CONFIRMED HE WAS A MISLYNCH. STOP IGNORING ME CAUSE THAT IS REALLY PISSING ME OFF

[DoctorPepper]

Youre* missing

[DoctorPepper]

Lol. Titus says her asking people to scumhunt and not fighting anymore is her self meta. Then i provide self meta of why I cant be scum now. Titus then says self meta is worthless, right after providing a link to prove self meta. Logic right there, ladies and gentlemen.
.

[DoctorPepper]

This makes no sense. If you thought the evidence was crappy, why provide it? And you say its worthless, so it cant be better evidence and youre just saying this because you messed up so hard nothing can compensate.

Maybe if you ISO NS, you'll see he said all these things I pointed out. Like what kind of accusation is that?

And yeah, you implied he was a mislynch and I've proven why a thousand times now but nobody is listening to me and it legitimately sucks.

[DoctorPepper]

JKM, why do you think Im misunderstanding her?
I think I've made it clear she slipped and her responses against me dont really answer the critical points and just say "No I didnt do this thing unrelated to what youre accusing me of" and she's made a lotof concessions which, if you can spot it, imply that she knows Im town. ISO me and ISO her. You'll get it

I actually have forgotten to make this analysis, so I'll give it now (while Im in class cause Im a boss):
A wagon on NS had been built up, no votes on me. Then later, Titus comes, sees me attacking Bob and questioning her. So apparently, even with a wagon already built on NA, she goes for me simply because Im a huge threat to their win condition as scum.

Yes Im confident on Titus being scum and Bob being the partner and Im asking everyone to reconsider this and help me get rid of scum

[DoctorPepper]

Well whatever, I really think its Titus, but I guess no one listens.
I am willing to be proven wrong about yessirree, but I really, really think its Titus and Bob.

Also Titus's 553 is opportunistic as fuck. She says she doesnt want people to be lynched before the deadline (this is really not a scum tell), yet tells NS "If you think he is scum, hammer"
What was the purpose of explicitly stating he voted for you, like altering the quote? In 557.

[DoctorPepper]

Is no one going to comment before the thread gets locked up??

[DoctorPepper]

Why is JKM most protown when he barely posted?

What gambits has Bacde pulled off? Why are you speaking for him.

Im not twisting your words and anyone with half a brain can see that. And ENDING THE DAY EARLY IS NOT A FRICKIN SCUM TELL

[DoctorPepper]

Well its because the accusation is bull.
Anyway yes, your dead now. Any last words, like who you think is scum?

[DoctorPepper]

Titus, Im going to explain this for the last time. Ending the day early is not a scum tell if everyone agrees to it. Everyone agreeing to a hammer intent (like what I did a few days ago) is basically the town saying "Im fine with the day ending early". Now hammering without declaring intent AND cutting the day short is the scummy part.

Im saying this because you constantly mentioning this really, really, really looks like statements for town cred because I had to explain numerous times why this isnt scummy yet you stubbornly held on to your "ideology" that ending the day early is automatically bad.

But I want Titus first

[DoctorPepper]

I find it weird that you say that you were sure that I am scum before, but now you say its possible I just have confirmation bias.
Its opportunistic because while you claim (numerous times) that you dont want the day to end early, you also tell NS to put his vote back, when he intends to end the day early, hoping someone hammers. So youre subtly looking for the mislynch you pretty much confirmed while incriminating the people involved with the wagon. Sneaky

[DoctorPepper]

You just called him suspicious in post 522 for not posting his reads and all of a sudden he's town for posting his reads.
Also how sure are you thats what Bacde's "gambit" was? Why not let Bacde explain what he is doing. This is coming from a player who regularly accuses people of posting for the sake of others.

Thats it, Im done. Town, if you dont see it now, I may have to literally scream it. TITUS IS SCUM AND ITS REALLY OBVIOUS HER ONLY ATTACK ON ME IS THAT IM BEING ARROGANT, NOT THAT IM WRONG, BUT IM BEING ARROGANT. SHE NEVER SAID I WAS WRONG, SHE ONLY SAID "I AM REALLY OVERCONFIDENT", WHICH MEANS SHE KNOWS IM RIGHT CAUSE SHE NEVER DIRECTLY REFUTES ME, OR TELLS ME IM WRONG ABOUT HER.ALSO ITS IRONIC SHE TELLS ME I NEVER REFUTE ANY OF HER TRUE POINTS WHEN A. IVE DONE THAT THOUSANDS OF TIMES AND B. SHE NEVER ANSWERS MY POINTS. DONT MESS WITH THE TUNNELSNAKES. (Lol sorry Bacde, I hope you get the joke)

I am legitimately pissed

And now you suspect Bob after constantly saying he's town? Or null? Or scum with yes? What is it really?

Thats a dumb question, if two people are scum together, of course people are town by process of elimination. Also why specify you and Bob? Confirming scum status?

[DoctorPepper]

He can talk until the flip

[DoctorPepper]

Yes, im going to tell you right now, in the game of mafia, where scum usually have self-censors to stop them from saying things that could be considered as scummy, sometimes looking for little details, little flaws in logic and slips is one was to find them.

[DoctorPepper]

Lets get things back on track, shall we?

What does everyone think of these issues?
- Me and Titus
- the IC not dying by day 2 in a newbie game
- the fact that no one died last night
- Bob and Titus' slip

[DoctorPepper]

^ this kinda hits me with the "scum talking about the failed nightkill" vibe

[DoctorPepper]

Something about Bacde's reaction can go with that or classic Bacde trolling

[DoctorPepper]

Dafuq is this misrep?

I will not explain why it would have been okay for me to hammer cause I've done it a shit ton times already

How was I protecting NS?? And when did I stop you from discussing that! Did I tape your fingers to the table so you wouldnt type your opinions?

Besides, in a newbie game, newb scum tend to think the IC is some all powerful scum hunting God, so he usually dies first. IC not dying indicates scum with some experience.

Major host error? Why need to mention that? Do you think one occurred?

We have 4 possible leads.
1) doctor protected target
2) jailkeepr jailed a target or a perpetrator
3) Bulletproof was shot
4) No kill

If the first three did happen, do not claim.

Bad gameplay? What does this have to do with day 1?

Yep, guys Im going back to Titus for scum 2013

[DoctorPepper]

BTW, CDB is totally posting on other forums but not this one.

[DoctorPepper]

Hey CDB, if I didnt believe in what I was saying, then why spend half the day yesterday trying to bring this message across. If you disregard the slip, look at Titus answers and see if they are consistent with townish answers.

Heres one issue. Titus generally said that JKM is suspicious for not outing his reads. Later on, he says JKM is sooo obv town that people would be scum for voting for him
Another? Look how he answers accusations by answering the petty little details of it and not exactly the issue at hand.
Three, if I needed an easy mislynch to force, the yessirree wagon was right there at L-1 and I had permission to hammer from some people here, if I wanted an easy mislynch, I could have had it by now

[DoctorPepper]

Yeah, I said Bacde's reaction was scummy. What about it?

Looking at how no one died last night, and the IC didnt die, there are three things to consider
1) IC was protected
2) Scum know that the Ic is likely to be protected
3) IC is scum/IC got jailed.

[DoctorPepper]

Maybe thats how you play scum, but thats not how I play scum. Exactly what relation does this have to anything, you claim I stopped discussion when you clearly did not start it at all. That in itself was scummy to blame me for something you didnt do.

I get the feeling your not reading mypost correctly, you just see something and say something dogmatic like "I believe we should never end days early" or "The IC is a player just like anyone else" and repeating it over and over again. You totally ignore my explanations. I do not want to repeat myself, its getting irritating.

Wait wait wait, when did I eliminate a possibility.

And if you are so confident in me being scum with NS, why tunnel me only and not provide analysis of him. This is evidenced by your behavior in Day 1, twilight and your accusation that I "supposedly stopped people from talking about NS's hammer" when it was easy for you to do it yourself.

Its called entertaining all possibilities and I have my reasons for suspecting Bacde (although I believe its more likely that he was targetted and doctor protected, thus implicating the newbs out as scum)

Who is confirmed town? Who is confirmed town? I think I know where this is going.

[DoctorPepper]

Also, you are calling it too long, when you say "you shouldnt end days early"
Lol whut?

[DoctorPepper]

I have a theory. Bacde did not die. Titus tried to kill Bacde, for some reason (maybe he was Bp, maybe doc protect, maybe JK) Bacde did not die.
The only person who gave me a town read was Bacde
Titus says a confirmed town called me town
No one else knows who is confirmed.
Slip.

VOTE: Titus

[DoctorPepper]

From experience, I've seen the IC die first a lot, the IC get protected sometimes, people accuse the IC of being scum for not dying often and the Ic being scum rarely, which is why I thought it would be worth some analysis

[DoctorPepper]

I was hoping to try and make amends with Dr. Pepper today, given a confirmed town thought he was town. However, his behavior leaves me no choice.
.

CDB this might be all you need here. Why is anyone confirmed town?

[DoctorPepper]

I forgot about yessirree and I thought you immediately thought about Bacde.

[DoctorPepper]

I honestly have no idea what youre talking about, the mafia being jailed only pertains to him killing. It does not affect night discussion.
Youre twisting my words here, it literally means that the IC was the one who made the kill and was killed. Your making rebuttals that prove nothing here Titus,

Under what planet was I "stopping discussion"?

[DoctorPepper]

Am I assuming anything by the way? I gave four possible outcomes and never once said "The IC didnt die because this and only this" and scum doesnt know if theyve been jailed

Problem with your analysis. I cant see you as scum if you think I am scum. Thats where the logic doesnt hit you. You keep saying things like "you think youre right" instead of "i know youre wrong about me being scum" or "because you saw me as scum" not "because youre forcing that I am scum" the thing is, town would have legit conviction in their statements. Scum would end up accidentally saying things like this, they say this because they know players alignment's. they have no conviction for what they are saying, they say things like "you thnk youre right" instead. That to me is looking at the motivations of the post itself. Youre basically saying I'm town because scum would have no need to see someone as scum

[DoctorPepper]

Why do I intend for you to be a mislynch? thats a weak excuse. The thing is, if you claim that I think your scum, then you pretty much say "I know youre not scum" because scum finds no reason to think other people are scum, unless they are partners. His is one detail people have overlooked. You basically say things that implicate me not being scum. So you know Im town

Wait wait. So if I dont think Im mistaken, it means Im scum? Thats what you say by "your refusal to go back and reread to see if you are mistaken highlights you as scum" how exactly??

I am done arguing with you. We've gone around in circles for nothing significant and I think I've made a case for you being scum which I truly believe in. I do wish Bob was here so I can prove he is scum too.

Maybe its because NS hasnt talked yet and I have no problem with his hammer, I never freaking called CDB scummy (misrep meter reaches infinity!), and I never stopped you from talking about NS. I never steered the conversation away and if you think he's scummy, its not my responsibility to bring it up because I do not think he is scummy.

[DoctorPepper]

That never answered stopping discussion. Was I a dictator who said "NO DO NOT TALK ABOUT NS TODAY!"?

[DoctorPepper]

I only said he's posting on other forums. I wasnt calling him scummy, I wanted him to post. So calling inactives/lurkers out is scummy?

I was discrediting you with that too long post.

So stubborness is a scum tell, because obviously town would never be stubborn, is that what you are saying?
Your example is bullshit and has nothing to do with whats happening, youre calling me scummy for something both town and scum do because I do not think I was proven wrong and even then,mjust because I am stubborn, it doesnt mean I am scummy.

Wait. So when JKM and NS agreed to hammer, JKM was obv town (when he claimed hammer vote and agreed on a yessirree lynch) but NS is scummy. So i dont think he is scummy, it means Im preemptively trying to stop you from discussing what he did when Im not preventing you at all, Im just saying I see no problem with it. If you want to discuss it, I am not stopping you.

Holy fuck this is so obvious, im going to bed before I get even more pissed off.

[DoctorPepper]

Why is it not a fair question? JKM declared intent to hammer, he pretty much agreed with NS. Yet he's strongly town to you right after you called him suspicious.

Plus if youre so certain Im scum, you shouldnt be arguing with me by saying stuff like "If you think Im scum, you probably have confirmation bias" or stuff like that. The fact that youre so sure Im scum, yet somehow still wonder if Im sure you're scum. In mafia, you look for scum not solely through what they post, but how they post, if you see genuine motivation to help town or not, because scum is good at looking town

Btw, stubborness is not an alignment tell and is indicative of playstyle. Just because my playstyle involves being stubborn as fuck, doesnt mean its scummy.

You keep talking about me pushing you as a mislynch when youre doing the same thing. And again I ask, if youre so convonced of me and NS, why have I been the primary source of your tunnel? Because I caught you and you feel like Im a threat to your scum wincon?

Disregarding the slip, everyone should look at how Titus selectively responds to questions and continues to misrep me.this is why we should lynch her.

Bob, so why is Titus town over me? Because I called you scum?

[DoctorPepper]

NS, I'm in the same mindset about yessiree.

Let's do it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: yessiree

Note: I made this vote expecting it to lead to a hammer, so take equal responsibility for the hammer vote as the actual hammerer

This? Its clear they agreed on it. So not buy this shit town.

[DoctorPepper]

Do not*

Your hypothetical scenarios do nothing to help. Stubborness is a playstyle tell and calling someone scum for it is stupid. No, Im sure of it, I have not been proven wrong and the only thing that would possibly do that is a flip. So stop telli me Im wrong without legit evidence.

Use the wiki to find out how a jailkeeper works.

Again, I have to ask. WHEN DID I STOP INVESTIGATIONS? I wasnt talking about it, did that stop you from doing so,

Flimsy shit flailing from scum.

[DoctorPepper]

He literally said "Lets do this" indicating he was fine with NS hammering.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper
This does not prove why I have actively been stopping YOU from talking about it. If I fine nothing wrong with it, the. i have every right not to say anything. If you think its wrong, then fucking comment on it instead of saying "Ive been stopping you" when I have not done that shit.

[DoctorPepper]

Its a night action

If roleblocker targets JK and JK targets the roleblocker, the roleblocker wins (assuming the roleblocker also made the kill, the kill goes through) and the roleblocker will not claim (assuming there is one) because the roleblocker is scum in this set up

[DoctorPepper]

No its not a bad system, it creates more vagueness which is good play. Stop doing information instead of analysis.

[DoctorPepper]

If we can stop talking about set ups that would be great.

Some people need prodding

[DoctorPepper]

Bob, I've seen you online. Care to comment or will you continue to be a huge lurksack?

[DoctorPepper]

That post just looks like you wanted to look like youre asking questions. If you read, you'd understand why i have a suspicion.

[DoctorPepper]

DP, is this your reason?

Besides, in a newbie game, newb scum tend to think the IC is some all powerful scum hunting God, so he usually dies first. IC not dying indicates scum with some experience.

The fact that the mafiosi failed to kill anyone at all indicates experience? That reminds me of a TV trope.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

This makes me scum? How exactly? Opportunistic vote. Way to go scum

I am at L-1.

[DoctorPepper]

Wait, Titus unvoted. Thanks for the VC

CDB, Bacde and JKM - where are you?

[DoctorPepper]

I did not realize you unvoted me. Simple as that.

Please stop complaining about the lack of a roleblock message

[DoctorPepper]

Look at the V and see if you hadnt unvoted, I'd be L-1

[DoctorPepper]

If you're an RB, there are two possible setups. I was also saying that I think you might be scum trying to figure out WHO the PRs are, not WHICH PRs are in the game...
Please explain how knowing how the jailer works would 'help your scumhunt'...

This.

Also Titus thanks for misrepping me. You really want me lynched that bad huh? Where wasnt I helping, I gave you a link to the freaking wiki you were too lazy to look for yourself

[DoctorPepper]

Bob, youre online. How does me suspecting that the lack of a mafia kill indicates experience make me scummy?

[DoctorPepper]

So being "stupid" by your definition is scummy? Because by that logic town wouldnt be so stupid, we'd catch scum all the time and there would be no point in playing mafia.
The amount of Opportunistic scum in this game is too damn high

[DoctorPepper]

Spoiler:

Can you link me to the jailor entry in the wiki?

Dr. Pepper, you have been stopping any discussion that is NOT you versus me. I'm fully capable of talking with you forever. Our cases have been presented. The town is freaking confused at best. We can talk about others. Yet, you seem unwilling to do so.

He literally said "Lets do this" indicating he was fine with NS hammering.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper
This does not prove why I have actively been stopping YOU from talking about it. If I fine nothing wrong with it, the. i have every right not to say anything. If you think its wrong, then fucking comment on it instead of saying "Ive been stopping you" when I have not done that shit.

The entry does not answer my questions. I was hoping you would link me to something that would answer them.

1) Does the jailkeeper select his target during the day or at night?

2) Does the roleblocker occur before the jailkeeper in the Order of Operations? The first page suggests that the roleblocker takes preference. If there are no roleblock claims, we can infer there is no roleblocker and have just as much information as the mafia. However, if the jailkeeper blocks the mafia. E.g. I'm not understanding preference on the host's first page.

Its a night action

If roleblocker targets JK and JK targets the roleblocker, the roleblocker wins (assuming the roleblocker also made the kill, the kill goes through) and the roleblocker will not claim (assuming there is one) because the roleblocker is scum in this set up

I am sorry if my scumhunting has irritated you. If it's a specific behavior, please tell me what it is so I can stop. I am trying to be reasonable here.


I had several questions in my day end that were causing me to doubt my scumreads.


How is explaining a "normal" role mental calisthenics?

Jailkeeper/roleblocker question I have

1) If the jailkeeper jails the roleblocker, and the roleblocker blocks someone else does it take effect? In other words is the Order of Operations... 1) Roleblocker blocks jailkeeper 2) Jailkeeper acts 3) Roleblocker blocks anyone else OR is it 1) Roleblocker blocks anyone 2) Jailkeeper acts? In the first scenairo, we cannot assume due to a lack of a roleblock claim that there is no roleblocker. The second scenario, we still likely would see a roleblocked claim.


I think an

unvote

is the right place to be due to seeing too much suspicious acts right now.

I am sorry if my scumhunting has irritated you. If it's a specific behavior, please tell me what it is so I can stop. I am trying to be reasonable here.


I had several questions in my day end that were causing me to doubt my scumreads.


How is explaining a "normal" role mental calisthenics?

Jailkeeper/roleblocker question I have

1) If the jailkeeper jails the roleblocker, and the roleblocker blocks someone else does it take effect? In other words is the Order of Operations... 1) Roleblocker blocks jailkeeper 2) Jailkeeper acts 3) Roleblocker blocks anyone else OR is it 1) Roleblocker blocks anyone 2) Jailkeeper acts? In the first scenairo, we cannot assume due to a lack of a roleblock claim that there is no roleblocker. The second scenario, we still likely would see a roleblocked claim.


I think an

unvote

is the right place to be due to seeing too much suspicious acts right now.

I apologize again for my irritation; it's exacerbated by personal issues, but you're being very stubborn about "the way we do things here" and that's one of my pet peeves.

Answer:


(from the setup information, page one,

this very thread)

:
*Roleblocker will take precedence over jailkeeper when resolving night actions should that apply.

Therefore, the Roleblocker blocks the jailkeeper, and the jailkeeper is blocked, which means they do not have an action.

Clear enough?

By this logic, we have supposedly stopped helping Titus. I cant speak for NS, but I have tried to answer them.
And NO, pushing for a claim is not helpful, it just gives scum a free PR to kill. Why are you role fishing?

[DoctorPepper]

The jailor's function would help me confirm if their was a roleblocker or not in the game. Of course, that also had the assumption (wrong) that townies got roleblocked messages. I also assumed that the jailed target would be aware and have a night chat with their jailor. Now that I know how the jailor actually works, it is a lot less relevant. If Dr. Pepper and NS would have clarified this faster but the tone is pretty consistent just to stop going down that road. See post 659.

If the jailor had worked the way I believed (townies did get roleblocked messages), then pushing for a claim and laying out these scenarios would be very pro-town. We would be able to limit the amount of claims and force scum into the position where scum would almost always claim second. This jailor is so different from what I had known and that changed the way to properly play this.

Look when you and NS tell me to stop and not answer my questions claiming they are "mental calithenscs", how am I supposed to feel? I'm not an expert on this site. They seem to hold me to whatever standard fits your argument that I'm scummy. It's patently unfair. I'm referring to Dr. Pepper's post 659 and whichever post NS says that my questions are mental calithensics (spelling may be off).

How would knowing a jailkeepr's function help yuo find out if we have a roleblocker??
Its unfair for you to say that Im scum for not helping you when
1) I've been answering your questions
2) your questions could be answered by wiki
3) you're rolefishing

I think JKM's theory makes sense.

[DoctorPepper]

The fact that the wiki mentions none of this "block jailer from talking with an option to kill" should have been enough. If something like that is incredibly important, it would have been mentioned.

Oh yeah I forgot we were at 5 to lynch. BTW guys after Titus, we should go for Bob.

[DoctorPepper]

By that logic, you admit there are flaws in the logic?

And by that definition you think only townies commit logical fallacies?

And by that logic you think town's logic should be perfect?

And by that logic you think scum is the only faction to exploit loopholes?

Worst. Chainsaw. Ever.

[DoctorPepper]

That was a disgusting misrep. I started toncall you scum when a) you slipped, b) you were being really hypocritical, c) you were saying things for town cred and d) you were defending Bob. Im just going to say that I've made my case multiple times and if you want it dont be a lazy ass and ISO ME. Im just going bring up points I havent to prove why youre scum.

Why exactly is me potentially considering an IC scum scummy? What makes me scummy for it? Answer that. I never directly said it because for all I know (andI have mentioned this) THE IC COULD HAVE BEEN PROTECTED (which indicated my "scum are probably newbies theory. People saying that it doesnt matter because the IC is another player, are trying to save face. Because common newbie site meta is either protect the Ic or NK them)

Am I scum for creating my own conspiracy theory?

Blew a gasket? When? Also your logic is flawed. If I was scum, and I knew yessirree was town, instead of attracting all this unwanted attention to myself and try to get someone else lynched, and excessively argue with them? I could have simply hammered him and few would care. This is why Im not using this against you, because its not scummy behavior. (I do realize that in my first game with you, I pretty much made an L-1 wagon go away and got someone else lynched after me being the first vote)

Im not provoking you, I think you are scum. Simple as that.
Please show me an instance where I've twisted your words? Dont be a hypocrite and realize that you twist my words on a postly basis.

Everyone answer me this, for Titus's benefit. What is more deserving of scum tells. Hammering without intent with 11 days on the deadline? O r hammering with intent and a claim and consent with 5 days left on the deadline?

You are misapplying points here. That hammer (made by a townie, no less) context here Newbie 1372

No I didnt backtrack, I realized that you could have meant yessirree. So thanks for the misrep, again.
If you have to resort to misrepping me, then dont have the audacity to start saying that "Im not analyzing" when I've been basically analyzing your every post and calling you scum. Thats bullshit. And being stubborn? Is not a scum tell and it sounds like youre just looking for more shit to sling at me.

Titus does not have town motivations, she wants me lynched because I've caught her.

I do agree that one lurker is scum. And thats Bi-bob.

Hey bob, answer my question to you.

[DoctorPepper]

I do see your point there about lurkers possibly being scum. I'm not agreeing with you at moment, but there have been somethings that have unnerved me. I'd like you to flesh it out a bit. Who do you think is scum the most out of them?

I'm not 100% on anyone specifically, but I can guarantee you that at least one of the lurkers is scum.

If I was scum, and my partner (lets say DrP) got in a huge argument with a townie, I'd do my best to try to lay low and not stick out too much.

Same thing if I was scum, and two townies were in an argument and accusing each other (let's say titus and DrP), I would lay low still and try not to stick out too much.

The ONLY situation that one of the lurkers would not be scum, would be if both of you were scumpartners together, which doesn't seem likely to me because NS already pointed out that he didn't think you were partners either (which was something I was thinking actually). If NS was scum for whatever reason, then what he said was necessarily true. If NS was town, then he actually believed what he said. Either way, I don't see both of you as scum, and NS's statement helps reaffirm my read of that.

I doubt the whole lurkers dont exist if both scum are arguing. Particularly because I know Im town. And also because when we bussed each other that game, people just sat back and watched

Im not seeing where Titus is town. Show me because I really doubt Im changing my position on this

[DoctorPepper]

Titus, why didn't the mechanics questions came up in your first game here?

It seems the main points Titus/Pepper are scummy are their arguments for lynching the other, it seems like they're looking for reasons to vote for eachother instead of looking for scum. If one is scum I wouldn't discount the other being scum.

Unvote
Vote & Prod CDB

Looking for reasons to vote each other? Ergo I if I do that, then I think they are scum. What was the purpose of this? Its like you did this to make it seem like you had an actual say in the matter

[DoctorPepper]

Hey Bob, stop ignoring me. I want answers

[DoctorPepper]

Dr. Pepper, I feel there were several false statements in your post on 737. However, the town has asked this not to turn into a wall of text. I am not ignoring your posts at all, and I want to respond but I'm going to do what the town wants and move on so we can actually put forth evidence on other people. So I'm not ignoring you, I'm not responding.

Show me where false points are.

[DoctorPepper]

So being "stupid" by your definition is scummy? Because by that logic town wouldnt be so stupid, we'd catch scum all the time and there would be no point in playing mafia.
The amount of Opportunistic scum in this game is too damn high

Using loopholes in logic to accuse people is scummy. Memes are terrible.

Loopholes in logic. Which mens the logic was flawed or susceptible to cracks. By saying that I am using this and Im scum for it, your saying Im scum doing this on a townie. By saying that, youre saying that only townies commit logical fallacies/flawed logic and scum would never do this. Or if scum commits to flawed logic (which happens a lot), then people using it against them are also scum?
Your case is shit, die scum

[DoctorPepper]

1. Show me where that happened. And dont be a hypocrite.
2. What the hell does this even mean? I've planted seeds of doubt? I put a mild suspicion on him yes, does it make me scum?
3. It was a legitimate mistake. Why would that one mistake make me want t look back? That had evidence to back it up. This again is a misapplied point.
4. This isnt even a point against me. And again, don't be a hypocrite.

I WILL SERIOUSLY NOT BE SATISFIED UNTIL WE GET THIS SCUM LYNCHED

[DoctorPepper]

No youre saying anyone who you think doesnt use sound logic is scum.

I have already done so, but fine.
Usual newbie scum game meta, kill the IC night one because the IC is mistakenly thought of as the biggest threat. Thus some newbie scum try to kill the IC while some newbie doctors do the same and try to protect the IC.

[DoctorPepper]

1. Show me where exactly.
2. Whats wrong with looking for everyone. Suppose Im wrong, i need other avenues

Also i thought you didnt appreciate self meta? Besides Im only giving possible answers. Youre still scum to me.

[DoctorPepper]

This is so ironic considering you were confident in me and NS and now you say Channel.

Because on the off chance that one of you flip town, I need to find other possibilities.

Freaking point it out to ME. I do not give a damn about what everyone else thinks of walls

[DoctorPepper]

I do not give a flying fat fuck about other players not wanting the walls of text. Show me where I have twisted your words.

Your post about Channel and mine about Bacde are similar and I even said its more likely that Bacde was targetted by scum. What are you not getting.

Is this TvT? Possible. Have I had my tunnelvision on for too long? Possible. Is Titus helping town? Debateable. Do I find him scummy? Yes.

Bacde said quote something from me which proves I am scum, not that he doesnt want walls.

And will you stop the bullcrap about ending the day early?

[DoctorPepper]

I do agree this is an exercise in futility. Disregarding the slip, you've been scummy. But no one sees that.

P-edit. Already did and pointed it out.

[DoctorPepper]

The point is you were comparing two different scenarios with different contexts. And you were saying Its scummy to hammer when people are fine with it. Let me correct this mindset. Its not scummy to hammer after a claim and he claims VT. Its scummy to quick hammer with 11 days left because thats so anti town its freaking stupid. Hammering with 5 days left is fine.

Besides, JKM is right. When someone said anyone aside from me, we expected you'd say NS cause he's supposedly your second scum read. Then you say CDB, but later you back track and say its meta/playstyle.

Your 774 makes absolutely 0 sense.

JKM was responsible for the hammer as well, as he claimed. Why is he not "pinging your scumdar" if you supposedly think early ending hammers are scummy when he authorized it? This is inconsistent

I will however, be contented with a Bob lynch

[DoctorPepper]

You dont get the point now, do you? He literally asked why arent suspecting him. Youre buddying him.

I want Bob because I dont read NS as scum, he plays like this pretty much all his games. Bob however, look at his responses to my questions and his piss poor reason to jump my wagon. Also Day 1

[DoctorPepper]

If you can justify why "using loopholes in logic" is not a bad reason to vote, I'll rethink.

I dont get a scum read from NS because its how he plays. He changed his mind. Not scummy (and if you believe Titus, apparently changing my mind will result tome not being scum).

[DoctorPepper]

@Bacde, yes I think NS is town.
This is my read list, from town to scum
Bacde
JKM
NS
Pebro
CDB
Titus
Bob

And Titus, I answered 787. Anyway Maybe I have had conf bias towards you, and everything you say makes you scum to me. I think if you are town and this is TvT, then scum wants to just sit back and watch. So Bacde is town for suggesting TvT and other people who havent taken a stand, could be the scum Bacde was talking about.

My vote is better here atm
VOTE: Bicephalous Bob

[DoctorPepper]

If you think Im scum with NS, why'd you mention CdB as possible scum when Bacde asked about inactives. Especially when NS falls under the inactive category

[DoctorPepper]

Also your last post made absolutely zero sense

[DoctorPepper]

Yeah, I feel like we have 3 people playing

[DoctorPepper]

Titus, why do you want to make it to lylo? lylo is where scum leaves the scummy town players to drive a mislynch. If you're town, you aren't helping, ergo you are a mislynch. If you are scum, then of course we wouldnt want you to be in lylo. Furthermore, the qquestion was besides me, not exclusively besides me and NS, and I would have assumed you answered NS not CDB, which is why its fishy you call me out for being suspicious of Bacde.

Further more, your town read on JKM makes zero sense. And you ignore his role in the yessirree lynch, which even he admits was ending the day early. Your buddying him

VOTE: Titus

We are back to this.

I think CDB has been a bit lurky and apologetic. If Titus flips town, Im willing to go CDB

[DoctorPepper]

You? I think youre town. If I think Titus was buddying you, and I think Titus is scum, then you could have inferred that I think you are town.

Why not? If Titus isnt scum, then CDB is a good candidate. If this was TvT scum would just not take a stand watch 2 townies fight.

[DoctorPepper]

How exactly? I think youre town pretty much because I already game the list of people I can see as scum.

The reason why Titus is buddying you is because he calls you town for this "People who are very active but do not display these indicators will be solid town reads for me. JKM is a perfect example of this IMO. His language is open. His emotions don't fluctuate based on whatever the hell is convenient at the time. He's never referring to people as less than human. His language has never changed between formal language and informal language. Basically, no indicators of deception are present in his speech." Which makes zero sense. She ignores your role in the yessirree lynch which is what she says NS is most scummy for.

The only thing Im doing is calling you town.

[DoctorPepper]

No, I just really dont think NS is scum.

I know this sounds sketchy but if me and NS were scum together, wouldn't I be really stupid for constantly defending NS like that. Blatant buddying?

[DoctorPepper]

Im not saying she has a blind spot. Im saying she literally ignored your role in the yessirree lynch.

Unfortunately, I cant really explain why thats logical. However, one thing I've learned from playing is the fact that sometimes the scummiest players are not scum, and you need to look for not what people post but whether or not their posts have any semblance of town motivation in them. So NS, on the surface looks pretty scummy for vote jumping. But think about it this way, we scrutinize what people post all the time. Scum have censors in them, they are cautious about what they post, so they wouldnt really do things that would get lots of attention.

Aside from the flip flop on Bob, NS has been trying to hunt, which is more thatn I can say for a lot of people

[DoctorPepper]

Didnt I say I thought Bacde was town? And that he took a position on this fight?

[DoctorPepper]

Glad to know you're safe. Wish I knew about the other west coast scummers.

[DoctorPepper]

What troubles me more is the fact that Bob feels the need to explain everything Titus is doing >_<

[DoctorPepper]

The link is that Boib defends you like crazy everytime you are suspected.

/inb4 Someone says hyperbole is a scum tell

[DoctorPepper]

Im pretty bored of this day.
CDB says the end of Marathon weekend will be the time he posts, yet he isnt here. While he posts on all his other games.

Titus then calls out CDB after saying its scummy of me to call out CDB.

Plus the Bob-Titus link is too damning. Anyway, this day sucks cause not everyone is participating

[DoctorPepper]

Im pretty bored of this day.
CDB says the end of Marathon weekend will be the time he posts, yet he isnt here. While he posts on all his other games.

Titus then calls out CDB after saying its scummy of me to call out CDB.

Plus the Bob-Titus link is too damning. Anyway, this day sucks cause not everyone is participating

Where/what is the context for this? I've always said lurking by itself isn't scummy. It's suspicious sure but not necessarily scummy.

Again, you are implanting a link that doesn't exist Dr. Pepper. The link is you and NS, you just passed right over him again.

Bob, I don't think we can get a replacement for Channel to be up to speed by the end of the day. That seems like stalling.

This is hypocritical as fuck.

You claim there in a link between me and NS, yet you deny the blatant buddying you and Bob have. Evidence: Bob sheeps your vote, Bob defends you all the time, You defend Bob as well and you were coaching him early day 1

[DoctorPepper]

BTW Titus that Bacde misrep was just too damn obvious.

Also Bob's call for a replacement, seems like a saving grace for CDB if CDB is his buddy. This theory works if Bob and CDB are partners

[DoctorPepper]

Is anyone here getting town vibes from Pebro?

@Bacde as player - Y

ou're getting town vibes from Pebro but you're saying we should have lynched Gene.

Yet, Gene is Pebro, so I'm a little confused here.

@Bacde as IC - Does this setup call for lynching no matter what? What is the proper response when the group won't lynch your scum targets but you'd be standing in the way of a lynch entirely?

I dunno man

I still feel like we should have lynched gene for his "that won't work on me comment"

on like p2

and Pebro hasn't really made me feel better about his slot

If I even had to point it out...

Lynch thbis pleas kthnx

[DoctorPepper]

Di he say he was getting town vibes?

[DoctorPepper]

Only 6 more players to confirm.

@Pebro - I wasn't hiding my vote at all. I put it out there with my reason.

You didn't have a real reason. Just that the 'website' wants to lynch CDB and then you vote..

Anyone notice why this is scummy, scummy as fuck kind of scummy? Titus said she doesnt want days to end prematurely, then she says its site meta to want a lynch. If she really wanted to uphold this standard, then she'd actually vote CDB when the day is almost over, not with 2 days left. Ergo, the vote is opportunistic

[DoctorPepper]

Look, there was no investigation ongoing at the time. Everyone had left.

No investigation = the day has pretty much ended

. I even asked if anyone had any additional avenues to go down to investigate and they should post them to make sure I wasn't acting premature at all. Way for misrep.

Wait, wait. What the actual fuck.

Yesterday it wasn't okay because there could have been investigations
Now it is because there wasnt any more investigations, therefore the day had ended.

This is wrong on so many levels.

1. Pretty much everyone agreed yesterday, yessirree was going to die. What more could you go for? Hunting for more people
2. Today there is nothing more to investigate? Why? You just settled on CDB. There were other lurkers, only 3 people were actively posting and yet somehow, there was enough investigations? What?
3. Even if there were enough investigations today, what makes it so different from yesterday.
4. If you think Im scum, then why not continue the investigation?
5. What is your standard for the day being okay to end?

[DoctorPepper]

You're just like a slippery little snake, trying to twist your way out of anything that comes at you. Ugh.

unvote

Vote: Titus

Good vote

[DoctorPepper]

1. Absolutely, you can hunt for the second scum partner.
2. There was nothing more to investigate because everyone seemed rigid in who they thought were scum.
3. I was still investigating and there was more time on the clock.
4. I'm convinced your scum, but I'm also convinced that I won't get enough people to agree with me in the time allotted.
5. The standard is when no one is investigating anymore, everyone (who is active) seems firm in their scum opinions, and people want the day to end.

1. Why couldnt you hunt for the partner now?
2. Why was there nothing more to investigate? Because people had their minds set? People had their minds set on yessirree too now, didnt we
3. There is still time on the clock now. So this contradicts your entire reason. You say JK and NS ended the day early for everyone to discuss, because they felt like they couldn't discuss anything. You say this is scummy. Later, you say that you had no more to discuss, ergo its okay to end the day early, right? So If you're not okay with ending the day early, then its scummy. If you are, then its not and you dont give a fuck whether or not this town discusses or not. Double standard much?
4. Why not use the time to convince people instead of lynching someone who you aren't really sure of being scum?
5. So nobody was investigating anyone today? Really?

[DoctorPepper]

1. Then why vote CDB then??
2. Why dont you think the CDB lynch is a bad idea now?
3. This never andwered my post
4. Was it dead? It could be when only 3 people were active. So why not wait for everyone else?
5. The problem here is that the whole day you were complaining about how the day being ended early was scummy as fuck yet you wanted to end it by your standard. The day was okay with most of the people yesterday, except you. Now, the day was given your "Titus-approval" and its okay for it to end, even without everyone else saying so?

If you really think im scum, vote me then. Convince people. Dont use that double standard shit in your whole "ending the day early is bad shtick" CONVINCE PEOPLE

[DoctorPepper]

1. My problem is, if you really cared about that whole "Ending the day early is scummy as fuck" then you would have waited til the deadline
2. There was another wagon. Yours. Why not convince people instead of going with the flow? The problem here is that *if* you were town and you just went with the flow potentially led by scum, then you're screwed. The goal of the game is not to go follow and sheep, its to fight for who you think is scum.
3. The players who appeared made up their minds. And you couldnt wait for everyone. That was a bad answer, it was irrelevant to my point
4. A decision could have been made at the last day? BEcause not everyone had given their input yet
5. The double standard is that only you seemed to end. What about Bacde, CDB. They stopped investigating or they simply weren't posting?

If you can't even continue your pursuit, it means you've given up and you dont think I could be mislynched

[DoctorPepper]

There is no point arguing, we're just using the same points. And you stopped making sense a long time ago. The fact is, we had time and you decided to go "welp, no one is coming, lets vote CDB cause why not, even if I'm supposedly sure of DP-NS"

Although your biggest problem is point 2. Why are you so concerned with looking scummy?

[DoctorPepper]

2.

Spending too much time defending myself is scummy.

I'm also not going to convince people to vote for me. I'm not seeing where you are going with this.

Although your biggest problem is point 2. Why are you so concerned with looking scummy?

I'm not.

But I'm not going to do something that is scummy, i.e. self voting, which is what you were suggesting I'd do by promoting my own lynch aka "going with the flow" of my own lynch. I didn't see us as having time if no one was going to be here. When I did that, folks at least came out of the woodwork.

I never asked for you to self vote. The fact that you think you'll look scummy for defending yourself means you care about looking scummy

[DoctorPepper]

Bacde, who do you want to lynch today?

[DoctorPepper]

I am a vanilla townie.

Don't stop looking at Dr. Pepper and NS just because the time is short. I have asked y'all to tell me repeatedly why they are town but no one has responded.

I have asked Dr. Pepper to do a wall on me. He refuses

. NS has contributed virtually no scumhunting today. The two rarely interact with each other. Why?

Just check NS' s ISO and you should see why I suspect him.

VOTE: Nobody's Special

You're saying this as if I had never put forth a case on you. SMH

[DoctorPepper]

I dont need a wall. A simple ISO of me proves I've already put up lots of cases against you. Stop. Misrepping. Me.

[DoctorPepper]

Notice how I didnt need to say NS and you just needed to point it out for some odd reason. Because we weren't talking about NS?

Notice that apparently my case is only legit if I post a wall even if there were any supposed holes in my logic, a wall would not be necessary

[DoctorPepper]

DO I need to bring up NS everytime even when context doesnt demand it? DO I need to say NS everytime just to appease you?

NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS NS

Happy now?

Yes we rarely interact. I already said I think he is town. Notice that I barely interact with CDB either. Or even Pebro for that matter.

Damn it, I do not need to make a wall. Im too lazy to do so. You can just "refute my points and trump my case" by ISO-ing me.

[DoctorPepper]

I never called you slippery.

I dont wall because Im too lazy and you're too lazy to ISO me.

Me not interacting with NS is because i find him town. Did I say I didnt agree with his logic? You use the reason "Nobody interacts with CDB" as some sort of justification for some crappy rebuttal.

[DoctorPepper]

Hey Bacde, have you read her posts?

[DoctorPepper]

Why is this the first post you've ever made that even remotely attacks Titus? Why isnt this your usual "Im defending everything Titus does" post?

[DoctorPepper]

Because its true. And its not a quote, its a snide comment

[DoctorPepper]

HOLY SHIT!

Nexus, can we have an extension?

[DoctorPepper]

Bob is online.

Go ahead, hammer

[DoctorPepper]

Good hammer.

But why the sudden flip flop on Titus?

[DoctorPepper]

Anyone wanna talk before the flip?

[DoctorPepper]

This was a weird night kill but I was right. I wonder why I didnt die tonight?

Well my top suspects are Pebro and Bob.
JKM is null.
Im pretty sure Bacde is town, and I dont tink Titus would have settled on a compromise to lynch CDB if he was scum.

[DoctorPepper]

Im sure someone on the lynch of Titus bussed.

BTW, Bacde is town because in his scum game with me, we bussed each other to make the other look more town. If he was partners with Titus, he would have bussed by now

[DoctorPepper]

Your theory looks interesting. I want to consider the possibility of a JKM bus.

[DoctorPepper]

^This is a bad vote.

[DoctorPepper]

How is it possible Im scum after Ns' death? This is pretty contingent on Titus flipping town. Wasnt it in fact just her trying to dissuade the wagon?

VOTE: JKM

[DoctorPepper]

Anyone up for mass claim?

[DoctorPepper]

JKM, I've played with scum Bacde, thats not him. Move your vote else where.

[DoctorPepper]

He literally said he didnt think Titus was scum. If that wasnt any indication he wasnt bussing, I dont know what it.

[DoctorPepper]

PS. I suggested it, so what the hell do you think I think?

Scum fillering much?

[DoctorPepper]

*Game break*

My condolences, this must be tough im very sorry to hear that JKM

[DoctorPepper]

To be fair I've also NOT-bussed in games before DrP

Why is it that just because I didn't vote for Titus I have to be town? What about my play this game seems different to you than my scumplay?

I do realize you dont bus all the time, but Im convinced you arent scum. First of all, my situation with Titus is similar, a lot of fighting and engaging with the main attacker. In my case it was Demon and you, in Titus' it was Me. The battle was pretty much unwinnable for her. But you still wondered why she was scum. Now at this point, I would have bussed and I bet a lot of people, like you, would have bussed as well to look town. But you still kept your stance. This would be too obvious for scum, which is why I doubt it.

Also this solidifies my strong town read towards you.

[DoctorPepper]

I dunno what questions from JKM I Havent answered but for his last question, Im syaing that we could mass claim to do 2 things. 1) try to catch scum and 2) try to see why no one died two nights ago.

[DoctorPepper]

A cop has a guilty on you right now, which is why you're at L-2. Thoughts?

[DoctorPepper]

Why is that?

[DoctorPepper]

Im not in prod range and nothing is happening.

Anyway, Im pretty conf town and Im saying I have a guilty on you Saki, what do you say to that?

[DoctorPepper]

How exactly?

If I was scum, why did I get Titus lynched?
Furthermore, if I was scum, why would I fake claim cop when we aren't in lylo or mylo yet. If I was scm and I fake claimed a guilty on you as town, and you flipped town, then I'd be lynched tomorrow, correct?

So how am I scum?

[DoctorPepper]

Just give up scum. Self vote.

Saki read my reasons. Dont you think Its stupid of me to claim cop if I was scum? And get someone mislynched? That shit would get me lynched tomorrow.

So how am I scum?