Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Saki]

Oh my god I feel like such a dick for replacing in

[Saki]

AMG its DP

[Saki]

Catching up, better wait a few hours

[Saki]

I shall say that I am not a huge fan of textwalls as my predecessor was

[Saki]

ok all these textwalls are throwing me off

Can anyone give me a crash-course of what happened D1 and D2 so I have something to go off of as I read?
Also, have town PRs been outed? I infer from 1031 that they haven't. Why?

[Saki]

Bullshit. Whoever's the cop is scum.

[Saki]

A cop has a guilty on you right now, which is why you're at L-2. Thoughts?

this is exactly why I hate you DP

[Saki]

Why is that?

i feel that you know better than I do

[Saki]

noones going to say

anything

?

[Saki]

I think bob is due for a replacement and Pebro needs to be prodded

or are we just going to abandon this game

[Saki]

Globalpost: Between tomorrow (19th) and probably the 23rd (TBC) I *may* have limited access. Should be stable internet where I'm going but won't know how good it is until I get there.

Saki, within the last couple of pages I've talked about how I'm happy to eliminate every other suspect than you today. Who am I wrong about?

Me.

[Saki]

You're asking who I think is scum.

I'm not sure yet, I don't know what is going on and I'm only through about two-thirds of the pages.

[Saki]

I think the correct format is bolding.

@Mod: Requesting prod on Pebro and replacement for Bob. Also if you could note CDB's V/LA in 1045 that'd be great.

[Saki]

Game stopped after 1026.

I don't blame any of you for it though.

You probably weren't getting responses CDB because either a) people are afk or b) you didn't state your thoughts clearly enough. And I do believe it's a).

[Saki]

Pebro and Bicephalous Bob have been prodded

Thanks!

[Saki]

A cop has a guilty on you right now, which is why you're at L-2. Thoughts?

Were you serious? There's actually a cop on me?

[Saki]

*pushes pause button*

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Global Post

Sorry folks, meatworld has claimed Saki.
dw Saki always finds his way out of it somehow he'll be back in around 36-48 hours.

[Saki]

Really, noone posted anything?

@mod: requesting prod on DoctorPepper and Bacde

[Saki]

Im not in prod range and nothing is happening.

Anyway, Im pretty conf town and Im saying I have a guilty on you Saki, what do you say to that?

yer scum.

[Saki]

48 hours is prod range

[Saki]

How exactly?

If I was scum, why did I get Titus lynched?
Furthermore, if I was scum, why would I fake claim cop when we aren't in lylo or mylo yet. If I was scm and I fake claimed a guilty on you as town, and you flipped town, then I'd be lynched tomorrow, correct?

So how am I scum?

Based on my alignment, if you want to lynch me, you're scum.

[Saki]

Just give up scum. Self vote.

Saki read my reasons. Dont you think Its stupid of me to claim cop if I was scum? And get someone mislynched? That shit would get me lynched tomorrow.

So how am I scum?

Yer scum 'cause guilty is a lie.

You lynched tomorrow? Sounds awesome.

VOTE: Saki

[Saki]

If you flip town then Im getting lynched tomorrow, right? For lying? Then why would I be dumb enough to do that as scum?

'cause you're confident that you can try to squirm your way out of it tomorrow.

[Saki]

I hate to break it to you but I think Saki might be town.

UNVOTE:

That guilty was a reaction test. I was hoping you'd give up with it. I do realize that the vagueness of my first statement "A cop has a guilty on you" could have been a giveaway, but I think youre more town.

With that, why dont we just massclaim

It's not like I didn't know it was a reaction test.

Why is that?

i feel that you know better than I do

[Saki]

I was going along with it 'cause you seemed serious.

[Saki]

I'm all for the massclaim.

Though we might want to wait for replacements/people to get back before doing so.

[Saki]

Er, exactly, so no need to give out more information to them than is necessary.

it's going to happen today or tomorrow

[Saki]

And I think tomorrow would be better.

massclaim

and

MyLo hysterics?

[Saki]

There will only be hysterics if we get hysterical about it. It really wouldn't be a big deal.

orly...
You lynch me today. Town's second scumread dies tonight. Neither is scum.

Who would you go for?

[Saki]

Well CDB, Saki, who is scum? I think it could be Pebro or Bob.

I has no answer to this therefore I think my lynch is inevitable.

and there is no doubt I will flip town.


I'm trying to keep talking to you, CDB, because it's pointless to talk to you about massclaiming.

[Saki]

lf massclaim

[Saki]

Welcome

[Saki]

heads up, I'm JKMatthew's replacement

[Saki]

"Bullshit. Whoever's the cop is scum."

"I don't know who's scum"

if that strikes you as contradictory

I knew DP was lying from the very start.

[Saki]

Was playing along

[Saki]

Vote: Saki

explain?

[Saki]

Vote: Saki

explain?

just realized I'm at L-1 because of this

how is this guy not fucking scum now?

[Saki]

Your at L-2 dont kid us

Really?
I don't fucking know

[Saki]

Your at L-2 dont kid us

Really?
I don't fucking know

re-read the thread, I'm stupid

UNVOTE: Saki

I seriously thought both CDB and you were voting me

[Saki]

VOTE: Keybladewielder
I'm keeping my vote here until I get a satisfactory explanation of why you aren't scum.

[Saki]

two replacements ago

still doesn't explain why key has a naked vote on me

if you're sure then vote me.
if you're not then don't.

don't see any reason for you to hold back your vote at all.

[Saki]

where?

no it's not he hasn't given a single reason for it.

[Saki]

Uh yeah. Uh-huh. Go read the last page.

how 'bout you read the post at the very top of this page.

[Saki]

the quotes I suplied are my reasoning for you being scum.

part of it is my sig

that's your only reason?

opportunistic scum

VOTE: Saki
L-1
hammer me at will

lynch this guy tomorrow

[Saki]

welcome

[Saki]

KaRnage vote Saki

We win.

Go ahead. You don't have anything to lose.

[Saki]

I encourage hammers on me, town

You lynch Keyblade today you win

You lynch me today, I flip town
You lynch Keyblade tomorrow

I'd prefer the first option. But eh w.e this is getting stupid

[Saki]

If you're town, you should never ever ever ever ever vote for yourself. There is no gain and it arguably bends the rule about playing to your win condition.

You can be frustrated, sure, but what you should be doing is looking back at the game and, if you really think Keyblade is the remaining scum, examining how he and Titus played to see if there is a connection between them that would make sense as them being on the same scumteam.

You've got quite a lot of posts on mafiascum, Saki, so I would expect better from you at this point. This is a newbie game; set a better example.

Not unvoting.
I don't need you to lecture me on what to do and what not to do.

[Saki]

If you're town, you should never ever ever ever ever vote for yourself. There is no gain and it arguably bends the rule about playing to your win condition.

You can be frustrated, sure, but what you should be doing is looking back at the game and, if you really think Keyblade is the remaining scum, examining how he and Titus played to see if there is a connection between them that would make sense as them being on the same scumteam.

You've got quite a lot of posts on mafiascum, Saki, so I would expect better from you at this point. This is a newbie game; set a better example.

Not unvoting.
I don't need you to lecture me on what to do and what not to do.

If you really thought I was scum you'd have no problem with me self voting. Certainly DP didn't have one.
Where's that hesitation coming from?

You guys are being impossible there's no way out of the lynch today for me and you're still believing as if there is.
Like I said Keyblade is glaringly obvious scum for his vote and when I flip town today you lynch him tomorrow.

[Saki]

You've got quite a lot of posts on mafiascum, Saki, so I would expect better from you at this point. This is a newbie game; set a better example.

I have exactly one game completed. I'm replacing into a newbie slot everyone thinks is scum. The hell do you expect from me? Glorify my lynch?

'Set a better example.' Of what, textbook newbie replacing into scummy slot and getting lynched?

[Saki]

I have a problem with you self-voting because it's against the spirit of the game (and I'm speaking with my SE hat on here). Apologies for misappraising your level of experience, though.

I don't expect you to glorify your own lynch. I expect you, if you were town, to do your utmost to show that someone else is more likely to be the remaining scum than you. I've given my reasons why I think everyone else is town but I have an open mind - if you can show me where I'm wrong, I'm willing to see it. It's just that I haven't seen any reason to change my mind yet. Excluding your own vote, there are two votes on you, not four - this is not a hopeless situation for you.

Yes it is. Everyone is fucking tunneling me and don't think about quitting tunneling any time soon.

If you didn't want me to feel like this situation is inevitable then stop fucking tunneling me. It's that simple.

I already said Keyblade is scum.


I have no problem with dying today if it means Keyblade dies tomorrow for town victory.

[Saki]

I have a problem with you self-voting because it's against the spirit of the game (and I'm speaking with my SE hat on here). Apologies for misappraising your level of experience, though.

I don't expect you to glorify your own lynch. I expect you, if you were town, to do your utmost to show that someone else is more likely to be the remaining scum than you. I've given my reasons why I think everyone else is town but I have an open mind - if you can show me where I'm wrong, I'm willing to see it. It's just that I haven't seen any reason to change my mind yet. Excluding your own vote, there are two votes on you, not four - this is not a hopeless situation for you.

Yes it is. Everyone is fucking tunneling me and don't think about quitting tunneling any time soon.

If you didn't want me to feel like this situation is inevitable then stop fucking tunneling me. It's that simple.

I already said Keyblade is scum.


I have no problem with dying today if it means Keyblade dies tomorrow for town victory.

"open mind"
"set example for newbies"

Yeah let's deathtunnel the replacement

[Saki]

I don't think you're understanding this here, CDB.

I

want

to be lynched 'cause that'll prove Keyblade scum upon my flip.

Why are you so fucking hesitant?

[Saki]

Every single one of you have tunneled me since I replaced in.
You aren't even asking Keyblade a single question as to why he jumped onto my wagon with a naked vote and refuses to supply me with a vote.

You're not town in my opinion and neither is keyblade.

Everyone's play that I've seen so far is very bad town or scum.


Explain keyblade being town once I flip.

[Saki]

went throught Saki's and Dr.Pepper's, and both see mrather scummish.

Dr.P: The fake guilty thing. Town shouldt do that. And if he is a cop, then he's not a good one. On another note...

Dr.P you and me are in the same games together.

Saki:

Bullshit. Whoever's the cop is scum.

You're asking who I think is scum.

I'm not sure yet, I don't know what is going on and I'm only through about two-thirds of the pages.

In post 1038, DoctorPepper wrote:A cop has a guilty on you right now, which is why you're at L-2. Thoughts?

Were you serious? There's actually a cop on me?

I am the mighty Saki, hear me roar! *meow*

You have part of my fucking sig for reasons why I'm scum, Keyblade.

[Saki]

And yeah if you guys could not tunnel me like Karnage is that'd be great.

[Saki]

add to the reasons for CDB scum that he didn't try to read my self-vote and instead told me not to do it
('cause he needs someone to blame for the mislynch on me, right?)

keyblade please tell me why my sig proves that I'm scum
and why you're sheeping CDB

[Saki]

not sheeping CDB, I voted before he came back in here.

I was quoting by copying and pasting into one big quote, and I accidentally got that in there.

I got nothing as of yet from anyone else's ISOs, except that Deliberd is town, and that Saki's being a dick.

why would I not be to someone who I asked to explain their scumread on me but refused to do so.

Lemme ask you one final time. How do those quotes make me scummy?

[Saki]

I got nothing as of yet from anyone else's ISOs, except that Deliberd is town, and that Saki's being a dick.

more like
you don't have a townread on dp?
he's claiming conftown

[Saki]

not sheeping CDB, I voted before he came back in here.

explain how you aren't?
he doesn't have to be here for you to sheep him

he already was voting me and said I wasn't town in his opinion for the way I reacted to DP.

[Saki]

saying the cop is scum: flat out acting stupid.
refusal to answer who you thought was scum.
acting dumb knowing there's a cop on you.

there was no cop on me.
there is no cop

if the cop has a guilty on me = he's lying for the mislynch = of course he's scum

[Saki]

I dont like sticking votes on someone that's V/LA

but well.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Keybladewielder

stalling to provide reasons for his vote is bad
the reasons he gave are even worse

[Saki]

add to the reasons for CDB scum that he didn't try to read my self-vote and instead told me not to do it

That is absolutely the only way I would respond to a self-vote in a newbie game. It's a uniformly terrible thing and, as an SE player in this game, I'm obliged to explain how bad it is. See our IC, Bacde's, first post as evidence that we see it as quite an important thing to discourage (which you'd know if you'd read the game - how long have you been in the game now without reading up properly? I've seen no sign that you have actually caught up in full yet).

"what do you read the self-vote as" was my question
sorry for not phrasing it properly

I skimmed through the thread. If you really want me to re-read it I will.

I am not a fan of holding replacements to act and think like their predecessors, hence why I skimmed the game.

I cannot answer for JKMatthew's thought process or his play.

[Saki]

I'm not asking you to answer directly for JKMatthews but you can certainly comment on other players and, from that, give us more information. For that, you should have read the whole thread because it seems like you're working off maybe the last 10 pages.

Of course, the problem with replacements is that they cannot slip into the skin of their predecessor. That being a fact of mafia, you can't discount things that their predecessors did. It isn't logical for town to do that.

I understood your question. Primarily my natural response was not to read it, it was to scream NO DON'T DO THAT DON'T DO THAT because it's bad regardless of alignment. Looking at it now, I could see it either way. It's clearly a product of frustration but I've seen that kind of frustration at the claimed inevitability of being lynched from both town and scum, so for that reason it doesn't override my other feelngs.

I am currently not working off anything other than things that have happened after I replaced in. From my skim of the game I haven't gained anything useful. A detailed re-read is promised.

I am responsible for JKMatthew's actions however I do not share his motivations and thoughts. I am ignoring your case on me primarily because you have not provided one nor read my predecessor in any fashion.

About self-voting---I do not understand why you insist on calling it a bad practice. There are worse things to do out there, not just self-voting.
I'm not frustrated at all. Simply outright angry at Keyblade for playing badly.

[Saki]

I'm not frustrated at all. Simply outright angry at Keyblade for playing badly.

Same goes for you.

[Saki]

I think I missed it. Your case. 'cause you never actually made one.

You think Keyblade is town for his shitty reasons for jumping on my wagon?

[Saki]

By the way you're just sitting there deathtunneling me not even bothering to comment on Keyblade being blatantly scummy with his vote there.
Why?

When you tunnel someone hard enough you can start twisting their words to make it a slip. Why would you do that?
'cause you're nowhere near town.

UNVOTE: Keybladewielder
VOTE: ChannelDeliBird

Either you or keyblade is scum, we have two lynches. How perfect.

[Saki]

I think I missed it. Your case. 'cause you never actually made one.

If you had read the thread properly, like I keep saying, you would know that I made a case for everyone else being less likely to be partners with Titus, starting here.

You think Keyblade is town for his shitty reasons for jumping on my wagon?

I think his jump onto your wagon was null. I think his slot is town.

By the way you're just sitting there deathtunneling me not even bothering to comment on Keyblade being blatantly scummy with his vote there.

I have commmented.

When you tunnel someone hard enough you can start twisting their words to make it a slip. Why would you do that?

How am I twisting your words?

And we're back to block one.

[Saki]

I don't get how you and KBW volunteer to replace into a 40 page game but don't think you need to read it ...

[Saki]

I don't get how you and KBW volunteer to replace into a 40 page game but don't think you need to read it ...

I don't need the game to find scum.

Lynch CDB today and (if there is a tomorrow) lynch Keyblade when he gets back from V/LA.

[Saki]

I don't get how you and KBW volunteer to replace into a 40 page game but don't think you need to read it ...

I don't need the game to find scum.

Lynch CDB today and (if there is a tomorrow) lynch Keyblade when he gets back from V/LA.

but I will read

[Saki]

Welcome nacho

[Saki]

page 23

yessireee deserved to die, almost.
DP you're scummy as fuck
CDB hardlurking and that 'committed to SE' fluff is disgusting

page 24
CDB shows up right as N2 starts ...oh my god does noone notice?

[Saki]

Done.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: DoctorPepper

That is quite some bussing there.

FoS: CDB

I'm going out on a limb and calling Badce and Pebro town.

[Saki]

Karnage can you give me a short readslist.
KBW if you don't plan on reading the thread, you need to replace out.
CDB explain why the hell you decided to come back and pressure the replacement in hopes of getting a lynch off. It's quite obvious you haven't read the thread closely, either.

[Saki]

I believe the best CoA we can take now is to lynch DoctorPepper today without massclaiming.

[Saki]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ChannelDeliBird
goddammit cdb we'll massclaim over your dead body

[Saki]

The moment i replaced in you already had on your mind that you were going to give me bullshit all game 'till you got a lynch off on me
I can see that soooooo clearly CDB

CDB like what if you have read the thread you don't have a townread on KBW from three replacements ago, lol
You aren't giving him bullshit for not reading the thread and having completely outrageous reasons for why I'm scum
Extreme tunnelvision here I want you dead

loldp you didn't pick up on the reaction test

[Saki]

Okay.
I'm Vanilla Townie.

popcorn CDB

[Saki]

Saki's 1183 is exaggeratory in the extreme.

might be but doesn't change the fact that my accusations are true

btw, why Karnage and not DP?

[Saki]

As for why I chose Karnage ahead of Keyblade/Nacho, I'd like to answer that after Karnage has claimed, please.

now?

[Saki]

As for why I chose Karnage ahead of Keyblade/Nacho, I'd like to answer that after Karnage has claimed, please.

now?

Only slightly relevant but I decided that Keyblade's slot was overall, marginally, the towniest from before and Karnage, being three years less experienced than Nacho, was marginally more likely to claim something suboptimal as scum than Nacho. Also I hoped being cryptic in my last post might have contributed to that possibility. Not much but there you go.

Also, I'm reasonably sure that, by "the Brit", Nacho means me. Because Nacho is silly.

what's up with the sudden softness in tone?

[Saki]

Throwing her vote all over (including self voting). the vote on DP...

HE
I'M A HE
WE WENT OVER THAT IN NEWBIE1379

you do realize i explained my dp vote was reactiontesting (albeit a bad one)

[Saki]

Only slightly relevant but I decided that Keyblade's slot was overall, marginally, the towniest from before and Karnage, being three years less experienced than Nacho, was marginally more likely to claim something suboptimal as scum than Nacho. Also I hoped being cryptic in my last post might have contributed to that possibility. Not much but there you go.

Also, I'm reasonably sure that, by "the Brit", Nacho means me. Because Nacho is silly.

what's up with the sudden softness in tone?

Because your question was reasonable so I didn't get annoyed by it.

My question "What do you read my self-vote as" is unreasonable?

[Saki]

Because your question was reasonable so I didn't get annoyed by it.

My question "What do you read my self-vote as" is unreasonable?

I don't think I answered that question in an unreasonable way. To be honest, I don't think I've answered anything unreasonably - and I hope you don't feel I've crossed the line in terms of aggression anywhere because that certainly wouldn't have been my intention, though I have been frustrated by your approach to this game. The act of self-voting always annoys me for reasons which I have already explained and I pointed out that I think it is null in and of itself.

You are

being

unreasonable.
You voted my predecessor off PoE then condemned me as scum based off a reaction test someone else read me town on.

[Saki]

Hence my rage at town and the self-vote.

[Saki]

You voted my predecessor off PoE

then provided no legitimate reason therefore to why you thought everyone else was town apart from DP.

[Saki]

I don't like your case 'cause it's not recent enough. A post from Rikablu somewhere early in the game proves KBW town? You said yourself you were going to look into Titus' play to look for the remaining scum yet you quote Rikablu.

Also you do say yourself that you did not read the thread.

+You seem deadly focused on Titus' flip but you provide no insight whatsoever into yessiree or Nobody Special's flip which I doubt should go ignored.

[Saki]

Rikablu IS Titus, though I grant that I could have kept reading beyond that - but when I found the posts in question I decided that they were good enough town indicators that they were worth running with. Your obsession with recency is weird and unfair - posts do not have an expiry date, replacements do not get townier just for having replaced in. It doesn't "prove" Keyblade town, no, but as I said at the time it was good enough to go on for now while we still have a mislynch left.

Yes, there have been times when I've explicitly said "I'm not reading the thread right now". That's when we didn't have a scumflip and I just needed to get into the game

somehow

to make myself useful. Whether or not you think I succeeded at that is up to you. However, after the scumflip, I've made sure that I'm caught up with everything, as is sensible. Just because at one point in this game I needed to not read in order to help add some kind of content doesn't mean I never went back when I was more in tune with things.

yessiree's and NS's flips are fundamentally different to Titus's because I can't search for specific buddy/non-buddy tells from town players. Is it not obvious to you that it's easier to dig into flipped scum to find scum?

My obsession with recency is hardly what I call 'unfair,' especially if I'm replacing into a 40 page game where the only case made against me is PoE based off you gutreading people from 500 posts ago.

Also you cannot discount the fact that people's reads and behavior will change over nearly 30-40 page gap between Rikablu and us now, and I do not see the point in your reads not changing.

Badce's hesitance to vote Titus is town?
JKMatthew's hardlurking through D2 is town?

These are some things that really stood out to me and yet you failing to notice them while making a case about 'hey everyone is town except you...sooooooo' makes me wonder if your case is valid.

Also, really, will a townflip provide

that

much less information than a scumflip? From my experience on-site a townflip is still very valuable and I doubt you are a player not skilled enough to deduce scum based on townflips.

[Saki]

KBWWWWWWWW

Vt with v strong scum read on the brit. Keyblade!

Alright. enjoy your lunch.

[Saki]

I may be wrong about you being scum.

I'd rather like to know the reasoning behind this than a response to that post too

[Saki]

Goodness, apologies for the length of that.

It's my first time playing with someone with manners on this site.
*laughs*

[Saki]

now we just sit here and twiddle our thumbs waiting for kbw?

[Saki]

fine by me
*shrug*

[Saki]

I believe DP is on V/LA 'cause of tests or something.

[Saki]

Lets wait for Keyblade to claim

Welcome back?

[Saki]

yep.

[Saki]

So, CDB/DP/Nacho are cleared.

It's Karnage/me/KBW? Well that's simple.

[Saki]

VOTE: Keybladewielder

[Saki]

You haven't even questioned KBW or Karnage yet. Get your vote off me.

[Saki]

it's not?

[Saki]

oh wrong newbie game.

but seriously.

if nacho/you/CDB are cleared then there's KBW and Karnage left.

and we have exactly two lynches.

[Saki]

my role PM supports my VT claim

[Saki]

You haven't even questioned KBW or Karnage yet.

I'm annoyed and annoying y'all because y'all are annoying me.

[Saki]

Well Saki, why KBW or why Karnage. Or why not you.

Also I already said why I think KBW is scum scum scum.

[Saki]

I don't mind getting lynched today as long as y'all lynch KBW tomorrow.

[Saki]

and lose the game? screw that.

So you think I'm town?

[Saki]

No, lynching me would be endgame.

By saying that there is a tomorrow to lynch you you imply that I'm town.

[Saki]

No, your scum, but in the slim chance you are town, we lose of they lynch me.

You're saying you doubt your scumread on me?

You're setting up a rather nice escape route for yourself here.

[Saki]

No, I don't doubt it.

But with every lynch there's a 50/50 chance of being scum or town.

You are scum, but it's possible you could be town (I doubt it)

Also you remind me of this guy named Kyuubit... Are you a member of McLeodgaming?

If you don't doubt it then you should not even talk about there being a tomorrow.

And what. Kyuubit? McLeodgaming? wuzzat.

[Saki]

Just dieee

[Saki]

*much clapping*

[Saki]

If they do not pick up their prods in time we can always request a deadline extension.

[Saki]

Dunno who that's directed at.

Welp if you guys really want to get a lynch off I can always selfvote for my lynch. It's not bad for town to self-hammer to provide information, is it?

[Saki]

I've never actually went over a deadline without a lynch. what happens?

[Saki]

Huh. I read somewhere that a majority lynch happens. (the player with the most votes gets lynched)

[Saki]

No, lynching me would be endgame.

So there is one scum left and if we lynch you the game is over?

UNVOTE: CDB VOTE: KBW

That is L-1 I believe

[Saki]

Huh. Interesting.

KBW is at L-1 and deadline is fast approaching DP/nacho i strongly encourage a hammer

[Saki]

DP probably jailed me.
DP died.
So
VOTE: Karnage

[Saki]

Anyway, either I or Nacho will die tonight, I will jail whoever we dont lynch.

I still think its the JKM slot

VOTE: Saki

he blatantly said he'd jail me if we lynched KBW

[Saki]

Confirming myself as town because it won't hurt. Karnage seems like a good shout but I'll give things a look over again to make sure.

Why are you so hesitant?
It's your hammer and we win.

[Saki]

Huzzah.