Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Bicephalous Bob]

list of questions

1) Are you a mafioso?
2) What is your favorite color?
3) What hobby do you spend most time on?
4) What is your stance on the topic of globalisation?
5) Are you a mafioso?
6) What is the best thing you ever did?
7) ARE YOU A MAFIOSO?
8) What do you like better: Dr. Pepper, Pepsi or Coke?
9) ARE YOU A MAFIOSO YOU WONT FOOL ME BOY

VOTE: ChannelDelibird because his answer to question 3 will be suspicious. (Also for jumping on the Gene wagon with a silly reason.)

[Bicephalous Bob]

Welcome Bob, what do you think of the gene wagon.

The prospect of Gene being quiet is great, but I don't think he's a member of the Mafia. My vote on Channel is serious.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Welcome Bob, what do you think of the gene wagon.

The prospect of Gene being quiet is great,

but I don't think he's a member of the Mafia.

My vote on Channel is serious.

Why not?

Gene doesn't seem to be very self-aware. Because of that, it's hard to read him, but I don't think he's a Mafioso. I agree yessirree is suspicious and I'm totally down for brutally murdering him, but I still think Channel is the scummiest.

You're right, gene, I did miss your response in 27! I apologise. However, I'm going to keep my vote on you for the time being because you strike me as slightly panicking scum.

If you're town, though, the way to make us think you're not mafia is to do precisely the thing that you think you can't do in order to focus on looking town - specifically, help us find who the scum are if it's not you!

Just look at those exclamation marks.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Also, I don't think mafia Gene would have posted that analysis. It'd be far too helpful to have a confirmed bad guy's opinion (which mafia Gene would be if we lynched him) on a few people.

[Bicephalous Bob]

[Bicephalous Bob]

does that mean you changed your mind about thinking I'm not mafia?

No. your logic is still terrible, but I still don't think you're a mafioso. I'll repeat this one more time: we should murder Channel. He's the most suspicious lurker.

[Bicephalous Bob]

A collection of yessirree's most suspicious posts.

Anyone else noticed Nobody Special has not posted a serious comment, other than the one where he randomly pointed finger to someone without even giving out the reasons?

Nobody Special posted this a few pages earlier:

I should give reasons to be a Good Example.

gene is probscum because he didn't answer whether he was mafia or not, plus the whole "trying to look townie" thing.

yessirree because he's using stats to avoid scumhunting.

so that's simply untrue. I was going to exclude the next one because it involves me so I'm probably biased, but it's a really stupid accusation:

Gene doesn't seem to be very self-aware. Because of that, it's hard to read him, but I don't think he's a Mafioso. I agree yessirree is suspicious and I'm totally down for brutally murdering him, but I still think Channel is the scummiest.

Did you just declare your night kill target?

But this is his scummiest post:

So many "maybe"s and question marks in your last post. Starting to feel uncertain, are you?

Trying to word everything carefully in a question format so you are held less accountable for what you've said. I suspect anyone and everyone equally, and the more information I have, the better I can sort through the logic. If you actually READ all of my last post, you will note that I didn't actually label you as scum, I simply put the possibility out there. However, from the way you responded to my post, I'm starting to grow more suspicious of you. It looks like you are the one who jumped out of his chair and went "holy shit, how did this guy know?" And then you proceeded to write me 2 garbage paragraphs that didn't make a single logical statement.

And for your information, I read all of your arguments, but it is YOU who didn't read all of my posts.

Your vote switch on me, on the surface, looks like a good move in general.

Almost too good.

I voted him because I sensed gene's scum slip, whether that was indeed a scum slip or just inexperienced play, I was determined to put my vote on him to find out. It doesn't hurt the town to lynch someone like that.

So of course I'm not gonna sit idly and let you and JKM plot my lynch on day 2. That models the standard scum play; by making someone else the "common enemy". In this case that "common enemy" is me.

But this is a survival game.

And I am town.

So I will not be lynched today

, I will not be lynched tomorrow, and I will not be lynched on any day thereafter. You can waste your vote on a townie if you like, or you can get off your lazy ass do some actual scum-hunting.

The first bold part is plain dumb, the second bold part doesn't make any sense and the third part shows you aren't reasoning from a town perspective.

"Lol, you actually thought those weren't rhetorical questions? (In case you didnt know, this was also a rhetorical question, L2R). You think I was asking you if I was online 24/7? Wow. Misrep."

If that is a rhetorical question, then you just said I thought those were rhetorical questions.

No, that is the exact opposite of what DoctorPepper's question implied.

VOTE: yessiree

[Bicephalous Bob]

@Bob,

Bob, you need to do your homework before spouting nonsense.

Go back and re-read every post from nobody, from #98, his FoS is Rikablu, not gene, not me. And he did not give reasons why Rikablu is his FoS.

Therefore I am correct, and you are wrong.

You didn't say Nobody Special hadn't explained why he pointed a finger at Rikablu, you said he hadn't posted a serious comment yet. The post I quoted was serious.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Whoa! That exploded. I may or may not have wasted my day off playing Civ 5 but I'm going to read the last few pages in between games of Skype mafia.

And?

[Bicephalous Bob]

Of the top wagons, I agree with the votes on gene the most, and I'm still somewhat confused by the yessiree slot. Though he is being deliberately anti-town by using methods that are not better at finding scum than random (such as statistics), and also by playing to a "survivalist" strategy, I'm not sure that a mafia would be so candid about playing to such a variant style.

I don't think yessirree is playing differently on purpose. This is both his and my first game on this forum and I didn't know the exact winning condition of a townie until you stated it, so that's a null tell or whatever you kids call it these days.

Also, saying that you don't find yessirree suspicious is one thing, but saying you don't understand why others find him suspicious is quite another. We're talking about the guy who said, "I am town. So I will not be lynched today, I will not be lynched tomorrow, and I will not be lynched on any day thereafter."

If you can explain why a townie would say that, I'll happily switch my vote back to CDB.

[Bicephalous Bob]

The role PM doesn't clearly say whether or not a townie has to be alive to win. I assumed, even after I read the role PM, that the real winners are the ones who live to tell about it since that's the case in most games. Bacde said yessirree was probably town because he was using a uncommon survival tactic, so I said I, too, wasn't aware of this:

You don't need to survive to win

In fact, often dying can be good for your win condition (as town) as people will see that your posts are coming from a town perspective, and can remember your opinions

It was a confession, not a slip. It's also the only point I was making in that post. I didn't dedicate a post to saying I didn't know that the townies win when the mafiosi are no more, which is essentially the only thing said in the role PM.

[Bicephalous Bob]

The role PM doesn't clearly say whether or not a townie has to be alive to win. I assumed,

even after I read the role PM

, that the real winners are the ones who live to tell about it since that's the case in most games. Bacde said yessirree was probably town because he was using a uncommon survival tactic, so I said I, too, wasn't aware of this:

Did you only just read the town role PM?

Bacde already explained that you don't have to be alive to win. So, if I only just read the PM, I wouldn't have thought that the real winners are the living ones after I read the role PM, would I?

What do you think about DoctorPepper?

Probably townsfolk.

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated

Unless you are a threat to town, its okay to be eliminated. Im not buying it.

So you can't understand that a new player would think that the goal of a game, in which people are killed, is not to be killed even though it isn't explicitly stated in the role PM?

[Bicephalous Bob]

I'm not if you to explain why you said

Your vote switch on me, on the surface, looks like a good move in general.

Almost too good.

and

And I am town.

So I will not be lynched today, I will not be lynched tomorrow, and I will not be lynched on any day thereafter.

Especially the latter is bothering me. You seem to be implying that being lynched is something that only happens to bad guys. You were L-2 at that moment.

[Bicephalous Bob]

I'm L-1. The vote count is incorrect.

I don't have time to defend myself. I might be dead the next time I'm online, so remember I said yessirree and CDB are the baddies.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Sorry for the confusion, Nexus. I didn't realize you updated vote count 1.4, so I counted DoctorPepper's vote twice.

Common scum play. Call one of your biggest attackers town and hope he ignores you instead of trying to prove why he might be wrong. Why am I probably townsfolk to you Bob?

You're making it sound like I called you town completely out of the blue, but that's not the case. Someone asked my opinion on you, so I stated my opinion on you. Besides, if I'd called you scum, you'd have probably had a Bob-is-scum explanation too. As for why I think you're townsfolk, I don't think scum would hunt scum like you do. I'm still waiting for an answer to this though:

So you can't understand that a new player would think that the goal of a game, in which people are killed, is not to be killed even though it isn't explicitly stated in the role PM?

That might seem rhetorical, but I really want to hear your answer.

On Bob's 'slip': I think it's prrrrrobably worth lynching but, after his whole "I'll probably not be alive next time I'm online!" I want to call his bluff. We shouldn't lynch him until he comes back to defend himself. If he's town, this is obviously a good thing. If he's scum, we either force him to say things before he dies (which we can analyse after he flips to search for buddies) or he tries to wait it out and we are reassured that we've caught him and can lynch even more happily than we would now.

So what's it to be, Bob? I want you to take that shot at defending yourself. Have a go.

I wasn't "bluffing" when I said that I had things to do. I don't even understand how saying I'm busy would help me. Also, I didn't say: "I'm probably dead." I said: "I might be dead." But I'll defend myself alright. I'll post my version of what happened and DoctorPepper's version of what happened. Then you can compare the two and decide which one is more likely to be true.

The first and only time I played this game online was on this forum. (My username is bopjesvla, feel free to analyse me.) It's obviously not a forum dedicated to mafia, so it's very experimental and there isn't an exact goal for the townies in most games, but most people considered it to be survival.

This is my version of what happened:

1. Someone on the forum says I should totally check out mafiascum. I do.
2. I receive my role PM which says I'm town. However, it doesn't clearly state that being murdered doesn't change whether I win or not. I still think that my goal is to survive, because that's the only way I played it.
3. Yessirree says that he is trying to survive.
4. Bacde says that's silly.
5. I say I also thought we were trying to survive because the role PM doesn't clearly state we aren't
6. DoctorPepper says no way you'd think that IF YOU READ YOUR ROLE PM
7. I say I did read it is something wrong with me
8. Bacde says wait arent yessirree and bob saying the same thing
9. DoctorPepper says no THE END

This is what I assume DoctorPepper thinks what happened:

1. I read my role PM it says I'm superscum
2. I don't read the first post and I'm unable to figure out that the good guys are supposed to kill the bad guys because I suffer from severe mental retardation
3. Yessirree says that he is trying to survive
4. I say what are town what are they even doing in this game can you hold hand while I go pee pee
5. DoctorPepper says ha you would know what town are if you were town because town is explained to town in the town PM town town town
6. I start crying I lick my feet and eat my hair

DoctorPepper, I don't ask you to react to those silly assumptions, but could you post a similarly formatted reconstruction and explain why you think I'm talking shit?

[Bicephalous Bob]

You can't use that argument without attempting to apply it to every player present, but you can't because we're all new, and therefore don't HAVE winrates as factions to check against. Otherwise, you're just selectively targeting players using unreliable scumhunting methods.

The way yessirree looks at old games isn't the right way, but that doesn't mean we should stop analyzing them altogether.

As for the accusation itself: could yessirree be trying to distance himself from Nobody Special? He's been accusing Nobody Special since the beginning of the game. Most accusations were overly aggressive and pretty much unfounded. CDB's megapost was quite good and I think he'd have tried to get me lynched if he was scum.

You know, I seriously hate doing this, and I really try hard NOT to do this, but I'm calling the scum team as Bob and CDB right now.

Convince me otherwise, guys.

This post doesn't really fit in NS's writing style. Anyway, NS, I take it I didn't convince you since your vote remains unchanged. If so, can you answer this question for me?

1. Someone on the forum says I should totally check out mafiascum. I do.
2. I receive my role PM which says I'm town. However, it doesn't clearly state that being murdered doesn't change whether I win or not. I still think that my goal is to survive, because that's the only way I played it.
3. Yessirree says that he is trying to survive.
4. Bacde says that's silly.
5. I say I also thought we were trying to survive because the role PM doesn't clearly state we aren't
6. DoctorPepper says no way you'd think that IF YOU READ YOUR ROLE PM
7. I say I did read it is something wrong with me
8. Bacde says wait arent yessirree and bob saying the same thing
9. DoctorPepper says no THE END

...

Could you post a similarly formatted reconstruction and explain why you think I'm talking shit?

[Bicephalous Bob]

I made yessirree write in all caps and you're saying I'm not pressuring anyone? That said, I no longer suspect yessirree because he really seems to believe that Nobody Special is scum and I think one half of yessirree's arguments are sound, the other half is laughable. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have anything on NS. Apart from some of the things yessirree quoted, this back and forth between him and NS is suspicious:

Your reasoning behind the FoS on Rikablu?

I honestly can't recall why I suspected Rika. It's probably something I thought I saw in post 96. But let's do this and see if he slips again:

Vote: Rika

So do you believe voting on Rika is a better choice than voting on gene then? Do you expect you can get a slip out of Rika just by your vote on him?

I'm not "expecting" anything. I'm voting.

NS is directly contradicting himself so he doesn't have to explain anything.

[Bicephalous Bob]

#275 was the last post when I started writing that.

[Bicephalous Bob]

I made yessirree write in all caps and you're saying I'm not pressuring anyone? That said, I no longer suspect yessirree because he really seems to believe that Nobody Special is scum and I think one half of yessirree's arguments are sound, the other half is laughable. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have anything on NS. Apart from some of the things yessirree quoted, this back and forth between him and NS is suspicious:

Your reasoning behind the FoS on Rikablu?

I honestly can't recall why I suspected Rika. It's probably something I thought I saw in post 96. But let's do this and see if he slips again:

Vote: Rika

So do you believe voting on Rika is a better choice than voting on gene then? Do you expect you can get a slip out of Rika just by your vote on him?

I'm not "expecting" anything. I'm voting.

NS is directly contradicting himself so he doesn't have to explain anything.

how is NS "directly" contradicting himself?

He didn't. He indirectly contradicted himself. The terrible thing is that I actually really hate it when people use words like "directly" to emphasize. It literally makes my blood boil.

As for the contradiction, "Let's VOTE: and see if he slips again" either means "I'm voting on Rika, because it will make a future slip more likely if he's scum" or "I'm voting on Rika just in case he'll slip in the future. If that happens, I won't have to change my vote. Isn't that convenient?" The latter is stupid, so I'm going to assume it isn't what NS meant to say. The former reason doesn't make much sense either, as yessirree pointed out, and apparently it isn't what NS meant; he went on to say he doesn't expect a slip just because he votes on him. There doesn't seem to be another way to explain NS's reason to vote on Rika, so it isn't the real reason. Why would NS make up a reason to vote on Rika if he's town?

UNVOTE: yessirree

VOTE: Nobody Special

Can somebody please explain the CDB case, from my skim and vague memory of the game I don't really understand the case.

I think it's pretty clear why we suspected CDB. My theory is that you chose to ignore it because it's similar to the behavior you displayed. You couldn't say: "CDB is town because I did the same thing and I'm town" or "yeah CDB is scum because he didn't post very much" without sounding like a hypocrite and fixing attention on yourself. The thing is, I don't think townsfolk would even considered if it'd make them sound suspicious.

Yessirree, you won't persuade a majority by being aggressive and pushy. Yeah, I voted on NS, but part of me is still hoping you're wrong just so you don't get to tell us you told us so. I honestly think that we'd have lynched NS by now if you'd presented your arguments in a more civilized manner.

[Bicephalous Bob]

It's naive to think that only bandwagon votes can be suspicious. That's not to say I didn't find the bandwagoning was suspicious - the bandwagoning is the most suspicious thing NS did - but I thought yessirree pretty much covered that part and I'm not going to repeat every argument he stated. Why would I? I prefaced my analysis of NS's vote on Rikablu with:

Apart from some of the things yessirree quoted, this back and forth between him and NS is suspicious:

That's pretty straightforward, isn't it? I don't understand why you think I think his vote on Rikablu is the most suspicious thing he did. It's just another suspicious thing I thought was worth mentioning.

[Bicephalous Bob]

happy birthday by the way



i got you an inflatable crocodile

[Bicephalous Bob]

I rarely defend myself. Very rarely. Town have little need to defend themselves, as they should be scumhunting. Relatedly, I rarely defend myself as scum because -- wait for it -- I'm trying to look townish.

If townies don't refute claims on the invalidity of their arguments, we'll never find the scum. I mean, how can you be sure a hole in someone's logic is really a hole in someone's logic and not just a misinterpretation if the person isn't willing to defend his logic? It's as if I said: "I have an explanation for why I thought the townies' goal was survival, but I'm not going to give it because I'm town. However, you have no way of knowing that, because I'd do exactly the same if I was scum."

Until you explain your logic behind the bandwagoning and your vote on Rika, I say we found a hole in your logic.

So why no vote?

Because I had been focused on Bob until you asked.

Are you using tunneling as an excuse?

So... anybody who posts without voting yessiree, I'd kinda like to know why...

Granted, Nobody Special's posts are slightly less terrible than yessirree's recent ones, but NS played over 80 games. There's just no way he's trying to help town.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Yeah, lynching yessirree isn't the solution, finding him a psychiatrist is. As I remember it, Nobody Special is the only one who jumped off my bandwagon without explanation, but that doesn't mean anything since NS thinks he's above explaining himself.

What are your thoughts on him, Bacde?

[Bicephalous Bob]

Not knowing the exact win condition still feels like a slip to me. Even as scum, you know the town win if you lose. Simple as that, my vote stays.

Are you saying that mafioso, even when they don't read the town PM, know what the exact town win condition is? That is the exact opposite of what you're accusing me of.

Right now, I'm pretty sure NS is scum. It took him less than an hour to completely change his mind about me and my slip:

I'm not the biggest fan of the yessirree wagon

I don't know why, it doesn't feel right to me

What happened to people wagoning Bob for a slip? Are you guys convinced that its not a slip now? Because slips don't come from town, so I'm having a hard time believing that someone who was previously convinced that Bob slipped would have switched wagons.

Truth be told, I switched to yessiree because he's an irritating little shit who also happens to be scum.

I also think Bob is still scum.

So many choices.


P-Edit: I am not above explaining myself, my previous thing was about defending myself. Subtle difference.

What about Bob's slip?

Do you think that arrogance/use of statistics/survivalistic attitude is more indicative of being scum than a scumslip?

I've been thinking about Bob's supposed scumslip for a few days. I've been going back to my first days playing Mafia (not here.... about 6 years ago) and while I honestly can't recall if I had the exact question (whether I had to be alive to win), I do remember my mindset when being presented with the newness of Mafia. Questioning whether I had to be alive to win would not have been an absurd question, to my mind.

TL;DR: Bob's 'slip' is not really so much. Still ready to hang yessiree.

After Bacde said it's illogical to think one person has slipped and vote for another, NS suddenly makes up his mind and says it isn't a slip at all. His explanation for this point of view was so strong and convinced, I can hardly believe he thought otherwise for such a long time. Especially because he didn't give any kind of argumentation back in the day when he did say it was a scumslip:

unvote

Vote: Bi-Bob

Yep, that's a scumsllip.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Titus, you claim that I made no stance on NS, yet in your bolded part, one sentence says " I've never played with NS and I think he's town in this game." So one, how is that a subtle defense of NS when I clearly stated I think he is town. Thats a misrep. So, I get where youre getting at that me saying (or "subtly implying" like you have been saying) that NS is town could make you think Im scum if you think he is scum. In fact, this statement is in itself ironic because while you call me out for defending NS "without officially giving a stance on him" (lies, BTW), you pretty much attack everyone on Bob, "subtly defending him" while you call him neutral. If youre intent on calling people jumping on Bob scummy, then Bob isn't neutral to you at all.

"You can't think I'm attacking Bob for stupid reasons because you don't have a town read on Bob."

[Bicephalous Bob]

An NS/DP scum team makes perfect sense.

NS: The only thing NS did in his last post was pushing a yessirree lynch. He completely ignored the back and forth between DoctorPepper and NS. I thought this was strange so I isolated NS's posts. He never posted a read on DoctorPepper while almost everyone else has done so. NS and DoctorPepper also completely ignored each other when NS decided my slip was in fact not a slip, which might fit in NS's playstyle but definitely not in DP's.

DoctorPepper: I wrote it off to poor reading comprehension before, but DoctorPepper is definitely twisting Titus' words to get him lynched. It makes sense for scum DP to say Titus and me are the scum team since we pointed out most flaws in his logic. He'll probably say: "Look, they are covering for each other!" if I question things he says about Titus and the other way around.

Also,

Its ironic you call me out for faulty reasoning when your reasoning is illogical

as well

.

DP admits his reasoning is illogical.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

[Bicephalous Bob]

Bob is scum if Yessiree flips scum. He was opportunistic and hypocritical in changing his vote to Dr. Pepper.

Assuming you're talking about this:

Its ironic you call me out for faulty reasoning when your reasoning is illogical

as well

.

DP admits his reasoning is illogical.

I thought it'd be interesting to see how DoctorPepper reacts to his own type of accusations. (He doesn't.)

[Bicephalous Bob]

With twisting Titus words do you just mean the "yessirree is a mislynch" slip, or something else/more?

I mean every slip DP says Titus made.

It's strange CDB says Day 1 wasn't too short. The only reason JKM didn't hammer was that he was waiting for CDB's return. I think town CDB would have wanted to add something to the discussion before yessirree died.

JKM, why did you decide you weren't going to wait for CDB's return?

[Bicephalous Bob]

I was on my phone. I don't like to post from my phone.

I'm more confused about where I stand between DocPep and Titus now than I was at the start of the day. Will look back again this evening; clearly got some thinking to do.

This is the second time you promised content and disappeared.

Yeah, I said Bacde's reaction was scummy. What about it?

Looking at how no one died last night, and the IC didnt die, there are three things to consider
1) IC was protected
2) Scum know that the Ic is likely to be protected
3) IC is scum/IC got jailed.

Why do you think the IC is either last night's target or a mafioso?

[Bicephalous Bob]

DP, is this your reason?

Besides, in a newbie game, newb scum tend to think the IC is some all powerful scum hunting God, so he usually dies first. IC not dying indicates scum with some experience.

The fact that the mafiosi failed to kill anyone at all indicates experience? That reminds me of a TV trope.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

[Bicephalous Bob]

DP: Because it's stupid. A flaw in logic, if you will. Also, you never said you suspected it to be an indication. You said it's an indication. Period.

[Bicephalous Bob]

So being "stupid" by your definition is scummy? Because by that logic town wouldnt be so stupid, we'd catch scum all the time and there would be no point in playing mafia.
The amount of Opportunistic scum in this game is too damn high

Using loopholes in logic to accuse people is scummy. Memes are terrible.

[Bicephalous Bob]

I just realized that I haven't asked a question that came up during night one.

NS, I know you changed your vote to Titus at some point during day one because you thought the bandwagon wasn't going anywhere. The thing is, yessirree was on L-1. JKM even stated he was going to hammer once CDB returned. I guess you could've missed that, but it didn't seem to me there was a general reluctance to hammer yessirree. So why did you think the wagon wasn't going anywhere?

[Bicephalous Bob]

I wasn't at all confident that CDB would come back in a timely fashion, and wagons tend to stagnate and fall apart when not maintained.

There were no signs of the wagon falling apart. You, one of the biggest supporters of the yessirree lynch, were the first one to leave the wagon. Did you think Titus was more likely to be scum than yessirree when you changed your vote to Titus?

[Bicephalous Bob]

You mean these?

By that logic, you admit there are flaws in the logic?

And by that definition you think only townies commit logical fallacies?

And by that logic you think town's logic should be perfect?

And by that logic you think scum is the only faction to exploit loopholes?

Worst. Chainsaw. Ever.

I don't understand them. What made you think I think only townies commit logical fallacies?

[Bicephalous Bob]

DP, I explained why I didn't think your reason for suspecting Bacde is sound. Instead of defending your point of view or admitting you're wrong, you said I shouldn't find your illogical reason to suspect Bacde suspicious. I appreciate your help, but I'm a big boy and I can decide for myself what I think is scummy. Now, could you please explain why you think the lack of a night kill indicates mafiosi with experience?

[Bicephalous Bob]

I wasn't at all confident that CDB would come back in a timely fashion, and wagons tend to stagnate and fall apart when not maintained.

There were no signs of the wagon falling apart. You, one of the biggest supporters of the yessirree lynch, were the first one to leave the wagon. Did you think Titus was more likely to be scum than yessirree when you changed your vote to Titus?

Yes, otherwise I wouldn't've moved my vote.

Did you think yessirree was more likely to be scum than Titus when you changed your vote back to yessirree to hammer him? What made you change your mind?

[Bicephalous Bob]

I have already [explained why I think the lack of a night kill indicates mafiosi with experience], but fine.
Usual newbie scum game meta, kill the IC night one because the IC is mistakenly thought of as the biggest threat. Thus some newbie scum try to kill the IC while some newbie doctors do the same and try to protect the IC.

This is an explanation of why the lack of a night kill indicates unexperienced scum, which is what I said. You claimed the opposite was true and you used this as a reason to point a finger at Bacde.

[Bicephalous Bob]

I probably won't be able to post for the next three days.

[Bicephalous Bob]

I never really considered my language as overly formal. However, if y'all do see it that way

, then I do understand why you'd find that suspicious. I consider my speech as the normal way I talk. Feel free to read my ISO in this one and compare it to other games on the site where I am confirmed town (EX: Newbie 1372). You'll find they match.

Also, again with the overthinking. The alleged scum read seems to change on a dime. First, I'm not doing scumhunting at all. Then, I'm overanalyzing. Scum have a huge problem with analyzing at all, but I'm scummy for overanalyzing? This is clearly shifting sands for convenience.

Alarm bells! This game is doing my head in.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

Yeah, jokes are confusing.

NS, could you respond to this?

[Bicephalous Bob]

VOTE: Nobody Special

[Bicephalous Bob]

I agree.

I never really considered my language as overly formal. However, if y'all do see it that way

, then I do understand why you'd find that suspicious. I consider my speech as the normal way I talk. Feel free to read my ISO in this one and compare it to other games on the site where I am confirmed town (EX: Newbie 1372). You'll find they match.

Also, again with the overthinking. The alleged scum read seems to change on a dime. First, I'm not doing scumhunting at all. Then, I'm overanalyzing. Scum have a huge problem with analyzing at all, but I'm scummy for overanalyzing? This is clearly shifting sands for convenience.

Alarm bells! This game is doing my head in.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

Yeah, jokes are confusing.

Just to be clear, I thought the usage of "y'all" right after talking about formality was a little joke. But Titus seems to use it every time he addresses multiple people, so I was probably wrong. I still don't understand what's scummy about it. JKM?

[Bicephalous Bob]

I wasn't at all confident that CDB would come back in a timely fashion, and wagons tend to stagnate and fall apart when not maintained.

There were no signs of the wagon falling apart. You, one of the biggest supporters of the yessirree lynch, were the first one to leave the wagon. Did you think Titus was more likely to be scum than yessirree when you changed your vote to Titus?

Yes, otherwise I wouldn't've moved my vote.

Did you think yessirree was more likely to be scum than Titus when you changed your vote back to yessirree to hammer him? What made you change your mind?

Not really, no.

Nobody Special hammered yessirree even though he thought Titus was more likely to be scum.

I changed to Titus because I really, really,

really

wanted yessiree dead, and it didn't look like it was happening, and I was frustrated.

Nobody Special voted for Titus because he wanted yessirree dead.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Way to misrep, Bob. Just because I didn't think yessiree was more likely to be scum than Titus doesn't necessarily mean that I didn't think Titus was or wasn't scum.

I didn't say you said Titus was scum. I just said you thought Titus was more likely to be scum than yessirree when you hammered, which is exactly what you said.

[Bicephalous Bob]

No, I'm really curious about the reads of his replacement.

Mod: Please replace CDB.

[Bicephalous Bob]

My point is that we'll have a big pile of confirmed town/scum posts if we lynch someone who has actually said something of value the last two weeks. I think we should refrain from lynching CDB today not because he's lurking, but because we know his account will stop lurking when day 3 starts. We can then lynch the replacement if he isn't townish and we'll actually learn something from his death.

Besides, a new player might get things rolling again.

[Bicephalous Bob]

My point is that we'll have a big pile of confirmed town/scum posts if we lynch someone who has actually said something of value the last two weeks. I think we should refrain from lynching CDB today not because he's lurking, but because we know his account will stop lurking when day 3 starts. We can then lynch the replacement if he isn't townish and we'll actually learn something from his death.

Besides, a new player might get things rolling again.

I can't help but feel like this is a scumpost

I don't understand why this argument holds for CDB's slot, but not any slot that you might want replaced?

I thought CDB was prodded three days ago, so I figured he'd be replaced no matter what. My argument for not lynching CDB today would've made sense in that case.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Limited access from July 13 to July 20. I'll try to keep playing.

I'm declaring intent to hammer, but I'd like to hear from Bacde first. He seems reluctant to give a read on Titus, which is really unlike him.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Bacde and Titus, you both argued for a new bandwagon, but you didn't show any initiative. Lynching Titus is better than no lynch, but I kept my vote on NS (still the best lynch) hoping people would jump on. Why didn't you?

[Bicephalous Bob]

@Bob, what do you mean not showing any initiative? That's bullcrap. A lynch you KNOW is a mislynch is still bad.

Dr. Pepper, why is "defending everything Titus does" in quotes. It sounds like to me you're putting words in Bob's mouth trying to make him look scummy.

Why didn't you vote for NS if you wanted people to consider changing bandwagons? Right now, the only viable options are lynching you and no lynch. I think your change of being scum is above average so I'm going to hammer you.

VOTE: Titus