Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Pebro]

Could someone give me a quick rundown about the game so far. Who's suspected of being mafia and why.

[Pebro]

He might just be really lazy..

On that note,

Nexus

, is it possible to have more vote counts. Preferably one every page. I'm too lazy to scroll back and look how many votes someone has.

@Nobody Special, how does Channel play normally?

[Pebro]

The role PM doesn't clearly say whether or not a townie has to be alive to win. I assumed,

even after I read the role PM

, that the real winners are the ones who live to tell about it since that's the case in most games. Bacde said yessirree was probably town because he was using a uncommon survival tactic, so I said I, too, wasn't aware of this:

Did you only just read the town role PM?
What do you think about DoctorPepper?

I've read the thread, but I'm having trouble putting someone down as scum...
Anyone got hints/links as for what to look for?

[Pebro]

[quote="In post 171So of course I'm not gonna sit idly and let you and JKM plot my lynch on day 2. That models the standard scum play; by making someone else the "common enemy". In this case that "common enemy" is me.[/quote]Do you suspect JKM/pepper as scum team. If so, why didn't you vote any of them?

Voting for someone that's hiding in the shadows.

Unvote; Vote ChannelDelibird

[Pebro]

As for the second one, what if I also didn't know that in order to win as town, I needed to be alive?

If? Did you or didn't you know that you needed to be alive?

[Pebro]

There are some useful points on the wiki, but not something I can use to pinpoint mafia. I guess there isn't a magic guide to find mafia.

Checking out some completed games seems like a good idea. You said you played before with the SE's. Could you link games you've played with them before?

[Pebro]

Y, I don't have anything against using stats for a lynch, but not just that, I'd like to hear it if you got other arguments about why you want to lynch NS.

Besides that the stats are outdated. Problem is just that the basic stats don't give all info. Did he lose that many town games because he can't scumhunt or is he killed quickly by mafia and town screwed up after that.

From a quick look he did get through the end in the games where he was mafia, so he's probably good in playing scum.

[Pebro]

I want to read some games of him before I decide he's really useless as town.

@Bacde, could you link some previous games you played. Preferably where you played with other players also in this game.

@Bob, pepper wasn't the only one voting you. He isn't the only. I also found it weird you thought you needed to survive to win. Alas, I took the opportunity to skim a bit through your posts on cracked, looking for something that would indiscriminate you. But didn't find anything.

@Pepper, I voted for CDB because he was somewhat around and just posted enough not to get prodded. (although he get prodded) JKM just wasn't posting at all.

@CDB, before Bob's scumslip. What made you think Bob is town?

[Pebro]

From your wiki.

[Pebro]

Unvote; Vote DoctorPepper

In his town games he seemed more conservative, in his scum games more aggressive. As far as I looked his play here seems closer to his scum play.

I noticed that in an earlier game pepper asked how to be more town in the end-game, clearly he wanted to be seen as town. Wanting to be seen as town was a argument for voting gene.

He felt the need to clarify in post #290 why the goal isn't to stay alive. While pushing to lynch Bob for that reason.


Case on NS seems to be summarized by; NS voting Rika because he didn't know why he FoS'd Rika earlier.

I don't see it as scum evidence directly, but it might be 'fluff' posting. Making useless posts with FoS/votes to seem more active/involved in scumhunting then he actually is. Haven't seen enough of it to vote him for it.

[Pebro]

Why CBD?

[Pebro]

I don't think jumping wagons is necessarily scummy.

Unvote; vote ChannelDelibird

[Pebro]

It'll make the town a lot more quiet. And we'll have less stretched arguments on lynching someone.

[Pebro]

You want to make your case much bigger then it actually is. Like in post #344, you want to make it seem NS suddenly turned on you. While there are 90 posts between those posts, with 10 of them from ns.
You can't say in any way NS suddenly changed his mind.

And it's not just there, you make way too noise. Discarding NS rebuttal against your stats, with "BETTER LYNCH NS". Self-voting to magically catch scum. Being overly aggressive and making it all about lynching NS. It seems like you're looking for a reason to lynch just someone instead of finding scum. You might be hurting town more then you help it.

[Pebro]

What if NS doesn't flip scum?

[Pebro]

As Rika said in post #324, it doesn't make sense as any alignment. Why would scum do it more likely then town?

[Pebro]

If you don't think it makes sense from either alignment, though, I can understand that. You've made me think about it myself, although I still think it makes more sense for scum than town. I've talked about more than just this, however, in this post - I think post 67 is quite telling, particularly. What do you think?

In post 67 I just see someone that's annoyed that he's suspected for his stats post. I don't think that's particular suspicious.

Combing the loudness with the overconfidence the trying to fake scum-hunting does make sense. Obviously didn't work out as expected if that's the case.

It's cool that CDB wants to lynch me. I'm going to wait for another vote on me before I make a serious comment.

Unvote; Vote: yessiree

I'd love to see that serious comment.

[Pebro]

...ok

Assuming you're town pulling some kind of weird gambit.

At what point did your 'sketchy as fuck random shit' start?
Why would there be no scum on your wagon? Saving the easy wagon for later doesn't cut it for me.
Who's scum?

[Pebro]

Not particular, I'd like to hear what yes thinks about bob before you hammer, though.

[Pebro]

What makes Bob town?

[Pebro]

We already went over the whole scumslip of Bob, although somewhat overshadowed by your rambling. I doubt talking more about it would change opinions.

I think putting a alternative lynch forward has a higher chance of success.

[Pebro]

I got the last few pages in the browser cache, I know there's a service where you can upload plain html, but can't find it. Can anyone give a link and I'll upload it later today.

Gotta go now.

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Old page 17

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Oops, I intended to have it in spoiler tags.

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@Titus[deleted post 444], I don't have strong reads on you, minor towny on Bacde. Bacde is asking questions and showing thoughts. Rika made some sound logical posts, but nothing that makes me get a strong town/scum feeling. On your part I'm a bit confused by the subtle defense of NS from Pepper. I wonder if scum subconsciously calls their partner town. I would think they want to avoid that.

JKM, could you try to explain your weird feeling with Pepper?

Bicephalous Bob, what's your top 3 scumlist?

[Pebro]

I'm not sure what to think of the pepper/titus exchange. I didn't think any of the arguments were particulary strong. It even occured for a minute that they might be bussing each other. I'm trying to read their argument in more detail, but I just see 'blah blah Pepper is scum, blah blah no you are, no you are', etc...
I don't think Bob or Titus slipped.
I'm not sure if no one died is that good. One more player that can be scum.. And another players view from day 1 that can be trusted.
I don't care about the IC not dying, I don't see the point in speculating why he didn't die.

I don't like how CDB is trying to tie us together by saying that whatever I said about yessirree "matched his thoughts"

What's bad about thinking alike?

I do get the impression CDB wants to make it a lynch between Pepper/Titus today and I don't like that.

I wrote it off to poor reading comprehension before, but DoctorPepper is definitely twisting Titus' words to get him lynched. It makes sense for scum DP to say Titus and me are the scum team since we pointed out most flaws in his logic. He'll probably say: "Look, they are covering for each other!" if I question things he says about Titus and the other way around.

With twisting Titus words do you just mean the "yessirree is a mislynch" slip, or something else/more?

[Pebro]

With twisting Titus words do you just mean the "yessirree is a mislynch" slip, or something else/more?

I mean every slip DP says Titus made.

Could you give an example? I've reread the convo. It's "yessiree is amisslynch" and the other one I can find is explained in 503

From reading the convo I don't like Titus. His arguments against Pepper are stretching.

Vote: Titus

Also, Titus why should there be a "roleblock claim"?


For everyone, as earlier mentioned please don't respond inside quotes 524. Also don't plain c/p the text you're responding to and put your response below it, it makes me wonder why you're talking to yourself.

[Pebro]

You didn't say you insisted but you did ask for a roleblock claim.

[Pebro]

A roleblock claim would also out a PR..

[Pebro]

Could you link the ruleset of the site you normally play, Titus?

[Pebro]

A) We can remove any people who have posted a lot but not claimed roleblocked as possibilities. Roleblocked is the only feedback the town can claim that doesn't help the mafia, so I cannot imagine someone not claiming roleblocked.

Yes it helps mafia. You don't get a message if you're role-blocked, so the only way you know is if you're a PR. I thought we went over this. For clarification, you also don't know if you're saved by a doc or being shot as a BP or been investigated by a cop.
Ruleset is in need of clarification, I give you that, I agree that the jail keeper and role blocker interaction isn't clear.
You played a game before, how come you didn't ask these questions back then?

Pepper, did your opinion about Bacde change because of the night-kill?

[Pebro]

Titus, why didn't the mechanics questions came up in your first game here?

It seems the main points Titus/Pepper are scummy are their arguments for lynching the other, it seems like they're looking for reasons to vote for eachother instead of looking for scum. If one is scum I wouldn't discount the other being scum.

Unvote
Vote & Prod CDB

[Pebro]

Titus, why didn't the mechanics questions came up in your first game here?

It seems the main points Titus/Pepper are scummy are their arguments for lynching the other, it seems like they're looking for reasons to vote for eachother instead of looking for scum. If one is scum I wouldn't discount the other being scum.

Unvote
Vote & Prod CDB

Looking for reasons to vote each other? Ergo I if I do that, then I think they are scum. What was the purpose of this? Its like you did this to make it seem like you had an actual say in the matter

I thought the purpose is to explain why someone is scum not to pick(think) someone as scum and do your very best to make every post of them seems scummy.

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@Pebro - do you still like your vote on CDB?

Can't say I mind my vote being on him. CDB's last posts didn't change that. The vote is mostly because I want to see more of CDB, it's tough to get a idea of his allignment like this. If I had to pick someone for a lynch right now, I'd pick Bob.

I'm actually starting to think I'm happy with a Titus lynch... Titus seems to be finding things to discuss, but they don't aid scumhunting at all. It's getting pretty close to active lurking at this point...

It has gotten to the point that she has been called out for it before, but continues to do it. I'd think scum would tone it down and try to melt in. Instead of doing it again and get more attention.

It will become obvious that Dr. Pepper and NS are scum because they will have to drop little hints that everyone else is scum ....

Where does NS do that?

[Pebro]

@Titus, how are you so sure NS is going to do that?

[Pebro]

Prod avoidance post. I've been busy, I'll try to post later today.

[Pebro]

@mod, could you prod CDB and bacde.

If CDB doesn't get back in a few days. By then basically have filled a day with 'sorry, will post content later', is anyone up for trying our luck with a CDB lynch?

[Pebro]

[quote="In post 862@Pebro, Beyond lurking, what is the case for Channel being scum? I'm open to revisiting Dr. Pepper/NS as scum but I'd like to be shown that one of Dr. Pepper/NS is town or that Channel is unmistakably scum.

A minor thing is that CDB seemed okay with sitting on the fence and deciding between you/pepper, but mostly the lack of interaction for almost a full gameday. Is there a post that summarizes your thoughts about NS that I missed? It seems it's just pushing for a quick lynch on yes and by association with Pepper.

[Pebro]

My point is that we'll have a big pile of confirmed town/scum posts if we lynch someone who has actually said something of value the last two weeks. I think we should refrain from lynching CDB today not because he's lurking, but because we know his account will stop lurking when day 3 starts. We can then lynch the replacement if he isn't townish and we'll actually learn something from his death.

Besides, a new player might get things rolling again.

I can't help but feel like this is a scumpost

I don't understand why this argument holds for CDB's slot, but not any slot that you might want replaced?

I actually think it's a good idea CDB is close to the replacement deadline and a new face might be good. CDB didn't have a lot of interaction, so there wouldn't be a lot of information. I'd like inactive CDB gone, if a replacement fixes that or CDB suddenly catches up, fine with me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

Not "I agree with your logic", but "I don't like this but I'll do it because of the site"... This is the ultimate not taking any responsibility for the vote.
And the last sentence is just trying to appear town...

I agree, first harping on wanting to get proof CDB is scum and hating policy lynches, and then he sneaks a vote in on 'lurker' CDB.

Unvote CDB
Vote Titus

@Bacde as player - You're getting town vibes from Pebro but you're saying we should have lynched Gene. Yet, Gene is Pebro, so I'm a little confused here.

He asks if others find me town, he finds me scummy.

[Pebro]

Pebro: Are you town?

Yes, you?

[Pebro]

Only 6 more players to confirm.

@Pebro - I wasn't hiding my vote at all. I put it out there with my reason.

You didn't have a real reason. Just that the 'website' wants to lynch CDB and then you vote..

[Pebro]

A claim sounds good. More so I'd like some input from CDB/Bacde about Titus.

[Pebro]

I've been confused as butt about Titus' slot for the past week or so, which has contributed to my minimal contribution

I still think Bob is a better lynch, how is it "unlike me" to be reluctant to give a read?

Why didn't you push for a Bob lynch the past week?

[Pebro]

for me this explains it 891

And unless I miss something you didn't mention Bob at all today.

[Pebro]

For anyone not voting Titus, deadline is in 40 minutes.

[Pebro]

To bus or not to bus, that's the question.

[Pebro]

Hey Bob, could you explain your sudden change of mind yesterday?

VOTE: Bicephalous Bob