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That better
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does seem quite suspicious
I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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In post 23, Cabd wrote:So this is usually RVS, but in this case, the mod seems to have messed up and sent me the alignment chart. Therefore Derivan and Darq are the scum. Game over~
VOTE: Derivan
How would you get the names of two scum from the alignment chart?I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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Thought so, thanks.In post 60, JasonWazza wrote:Only night
So does that means the mafia know the other one is and has to attempt to guess what the other is planning? or is it blind for the first day and they have to guess who the other mafia is by telling if they are scummy enough and then work towards getting heat off their backs?I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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Why no vote? eh its still early, I'm trying to read people at this stage and I dont feel like throwing votes around and changing them everytime someone comes under scrutiny. I have a few ideas at who I want to vote for and currently as I have already stated Cabd is the most suspicious to me but I expect that might change over the next while.I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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fair enough but I havent called you scummy, just that the over defensiveness seemed suspicious.In post 90, JasonWazza wrote:
Check my meta i tend to get pissed at people who make shit up
Seriously he's making shit out of nothing.
If you find me defensive and not just annoyed at people making shit up to call me scummy then your stupid.
FWIW you arent very high on my list of probable mafia
It does actually, I applaud him for using logic but his logic is flawed in my opinion.So you think his logic is alright, BUT you don't agree with it?
that doesn't make sense.
sure
This is crap, he hasn't said anything that isn't been parroted from someone else.I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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@goodmorning
reason I'm getting a townread from you is because you haven't done anything particularly scummy yet.
This below is why I'm getting a slight townread off you.
If I wasn't new to the site I would have been all over my posts asking questions about mafia tbh. Fegelein believes that I may be town from those posts but I certainly wouldnt... and it seems you didnt believe either which is why I have you down as town. Just to clarify though... I am town lolIn post 69, goodmorning wrote:
Really? Interesting.In post 67, Fegelein wrote:I also have an early town read on Guyett.I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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In post 108, bestwillcui wrote:Personally, I believe that Guyett is playing the newb card, a scum trait. He asks about the mafia communication system and then does some analysis on people.
This is just a small suspicion though.
Yes but why would I bring attention on to myself like I did in the post below if I was Scum?
I can assure you I am not scum... but I am not a very useful townie either
Interesting the Bestwillcui is gunning for me after my thoughts post belowIn post 100, Guyett wrote:@goodmorning
reason I'm getting a townread from you is because you haven't done anything particularly scummy yet.
This below is why I'm getting a slight townread off you.
If I wasn't new to the site I would have been all over my posts asking questions about mafia tbh.In post 69, goodmorning wrote:
Really? Interesting.In post 67, Fegelein wrote:I also have an early town read on Guyett.Fegelein believes that I may be town from those posts but I certainly wouldnt... and it seems you didnt believe either which is why I have you down as town. Just to clarify though... I am town lol
You're starting to sound a bit scummy...
UNVOTE: Cabd
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@Jason you've been around a while, what are your reasons for voting for Best? Has he given away scumtells that the lesser experienced of us would not have picked up on?
I voted for him as he 'randomly' voted for me soon after I called him out as potential scum in my first thoughts post. It seemed suspicious as he was wagoning onto Darq's RVS vote for me. Then the back peddling posts backed up my feeling that he is likely scum. He's currently top of my list of potential scum.I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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yeah I'd agree with that, I picked up on the first one but not so much on the 2nd one.
I think people have picked up on the fact that I'm not a complete newb, I'm new to this site, the rules for this site and the common abbreviations ect but I've played and run a few games on a different websiteNormally I play 10am - 10pm as daytime and 10pm - 10am as night time with the mafia being allowed talk to each other whenever they want. this game seems so much slower in comparison...
here's an example of a game I ranSpoiler: linkI think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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Yeah I haven't role claimed yet?!? Jason is on the money there.
I still have Cabd down as scummy
Here's a list of the players in order of scummyness reads so far
bestwillcui - so far comes off as the scummyiest one due to the posts over the last 24 hrs or so
Cabd - I am still very suspicipus of Cabd
Derivan - getting a slight scum read here
Darq - null read due to inactivity, however if the player has been lurking they could easily be scumming
Fegelein - slight town read, on SM's radar which is interesting though
TheGarantula - medium town read. more logical posting and I can see why he has targeted me. all the wifom was entirely accidental and could look pretty bad lol
JasonWazza - town read so far. experienced player who is playing slightly abrasively and calling out people on tells. this activity seems similar to styles in old games of his
goodmorning - town read for reasons already stated by me and garantula.
however from experience in games from elsewhere I think only 1 of the scum will come from the top of that list. the other will probably be in the bottom 4, possibly due to experience at hiding scum tells or just skill at hiding them.I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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I went looking for it and coundnt find what he said so I started to think I was going mad, then I remembered its under the spoiler tag in his post.
I think i didnt explain that post very well, same problem as when I did it in another game.
I'll try explain it again using examples
Spoiler: wall of text
That is why I think someone could be scum and also is playing quite well to go unnoticed for the time being. That could be down to experience or skill. Like for example, and I'm not actually saying this is true, Jason could be scum, someone saying they read his meta and said that when he is reserved he is scum and when he is abrasive he is town. He then decided to play an abrasive game to throw people off and make them think he is town.I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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yeah I'm trying something different this game that I havent done in previous games. However I am reasonably sure Best is scumIn post 164, TheGarantula wrote:
Okay, I misunderstood you, my bad. That was a big part of my suspicion so I'll consider you null-ish again. That said I still think you were overly defensive against bestwillcui,In post 144, Guyett wrote:Yeah I haven't role claimed yet?!? Jason is on the money there.though I guess it could be playstyle.
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yeah I'm not really reading anything into the 'you' there. I really dont see any link between that and the 'you' post in this game. What screwed Sakura there was what you bolded. V. clever of Majiffy to bus his partner so quickly though.
Isn't the idea of meta to use the target's game history? :pIn post 163, Cabd wrote:Go look up sakura hana's scumslip in day one of Max Steel, the newbie game that just recently finished. Same thing, reads list with one read worded in a different language than the others.
Seriously though, SakuraHana's slip wasn't her incorrect use of "you".
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We haven't had a flip. How would she know if the two people I pushed on are town?In post 412, Sakura Hana wrote:Majiffy: Null, now that i notice other than the wagons on PhD and you, he hasn't really said much, but he does look like he's trying to attempt to scumhunt,even if he's been wrong in both attempts.I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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In post 117, Derivan wrote:
@GuyettIn post 112, Guyett wrote:Lol I just read up on WIFOM. I dont know if that would be a good strategy for a mafia person or not though.
Please tell me that was a joke and you didn't just double WIFOM after reading about WIFOM? Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and chalking it up to you not realizing that this kind of circular logic is not going to get us anywhere.
lol just rereading over old posts and I saw this, must have skimmed over it as I was in work.
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@Jason my townread on GM is only a light one at this stage, no-one has jumped out as overly town but there are 3-4 people that I'm getting light town reads off.
GM
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and possibly Feg
see post 144
I'm getting scum readings of Best and to a lesser extent Cabd.
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@GM I a getting a town read off Feg.
My queries about whether scum could talk was genuine. I havent played on this forum and on the other forum that I play on scum can talk when they want. However it was very WIFOM and came across as slightly anti-town.
This was intentionally done to see if I could weed out any scum. Due to the slightly anti-town nature of the post I thought it would be perfect for scum to start a wagon on me and proclaim me as scum. I'm sure the more experienced of you may have seen through this or would have coped on to it and used it as a scum tell for others.
It is what I hinted at back in post 168I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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as to why I'm getting light town reads of Feg, if he was scum he would have seen that as an opportunity to label me as scum. Like Jason (I think) said scum dont want to 'confirm' as many town as possible as it narrows the field of potential scumI think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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In post 178, bestwillcui wrote:I'm lurking?
If you want to lynch a lurker today, then why not lynch Darq?
What Gar said. Darq has been prodded and still hasn't turned up. You on the other hand have not posted a single pro-town post since I voted for you...In post 181, TheGarantula wrote:He's saying that Darq is just plain MIA where as you are creating an illusion of activity without actually doing much pro-town
In post 186, Cabd wrote:Okay.
Nothing personal but this game is on the backburner, I've got another game close to deadline that needs attention first. I'll get to everyone in due time... around 2 and a half days IRL time or so. Might pop in a bit before that, depending on how busy work is.an excuse for lurking?
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I don't really understand? I just asked if it was time for a hammer soon? How exactly does that make me scum aligned? I'm quite sure Best is scum and I'm quite positive I'm town aligned... however if you need proof by all means lynch me.
I would however refer people to post 183I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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Spoiler: derivan
I feel I should explain myself, as I've said before I've played on different forums and the length of time for day is a 12 hours rather than up to 14 days. This game is a good bit slower than that and I got a bit excited that the day was nearly over if someone hammered. I would put that down to rookie impatience rather than scummy behavior.
I believe Best is scum and I know a good few of you do too. regarding the bouncing back and forward I have learnt said scumhunting moves from previous experience but things like hammers are new to me. in my other games the day ends at 10 pm, a person could have a majority of votes and make a case for survival or another person would do something scummy and they would survive. I wouldnt say I am a newbie at the game but I am a newbie at the game on this forum.
Spoiler: cabd
see above
Spoiler: cabd not paying attention
you seem to be forgetting that I voted for you back on post 92...
I have been suspicious of you since before then. I was only getting light scum reads off you but after the last few hours I'm getting much heavier scum reads...
see post 144 and 177. So tell me again how was I being opportunistic again?
Spoiler: cabd being scummy again :rolleyes
so everything that I do is coming off as a major scumtell? Why hasn't everyone else picked up on it?
my victory condition says that I win if all scum are removed, not that I must survive to the end. I dont mind getting lynched if it helps rout out scum like you.
Again see post 183 and for added measure have a look at this
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... 27s_Gambit
Spoiler: Gar questioning cabd lack of logic, cabd with a full on retard replyI think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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In post 126, bestwillcui wrote:
OK, so now you vote me for reaction testing.In post 122, JasonWazza wrote:UNVOTE: Cabd
VOTE: bestwillcui
FoS: Cabd
the "it was a reaction test" line is old.
Anyway, here's my read on the players:
Darq - Hardly active, 2 posts don't tell much. Possibly lurking, a scum trait.
Derivan - Not very active either, possibly lurking a little bit, but not sure. Leaning scum
goodmorning - Town read, pretty helpful scum-hunting and all.
Cabd - Not sure, some scummy behavior and some town-like behavior
Guyett - An interesting character. Seems like a newb but doesn't play so newb-ishly at sometimes
JasonWuzza - An interesting playing style, gets mad a lot. I don't know why you are voting me for saying that I was reaction testing, possibly a bandwagon, but I'm not sure. Leaning scum
TheGarantula - Like goodmorning, helpful, town read
Fegelein - Helpful, leaning towards town at this point.
These are just my opinions as of now. I will re-read the thread and re-evaluate.
this was your last proper read, could you do another please. I want to hear your opinion on recent developmentsI think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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coolIn post 233, goodmorning wrote:Chainsaw is technically defendingsomeone elseby attackingtheirattacker, but whatever, Cabd.
By the time a tell has a name it usually ceases to be that relevant.
Basically I'm going to do my expanded readslist when I get back.I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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also regarding the chainsaw I think Cabd misapplied the term...
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The key to identifying this tell is intent - it is possible to confuse Chainsaw Defense with a player who simply finds the attacker scummy and has no intent of defense. In general, you can be reasonably sure that this tell is involved if a) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense has not previously been especially critical of the player he is now attacking, and b) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense seems to find the player he is supposedly defending at least reasonably pro-town.
regarding A I have been critical of cabd and regarding B I dont find Cabd in anyway protown at the minute...
Also for it to be chainsaw I'd be defending someone who you are attacking by attacking you... but who am I defending here except for myself??? therefore it surely isn't chainsaw?!?I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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ryhx - nice logical post, some of it is reiterating what others have said and some of it is new. Its refreshing to get a new point of view. More in depth on some people and a bit light on others. regarding your comment on me being non-committal is me just being realistic, I've said who I suspect is scum but in reality the scum aren't always the people who come across as the scummiest. some people are very good at hiding their true alignment and others are town just playing a bad game. Asking for readings is useful as they can give away scumtells.
I am getting a light townread here
You made a very interesting observation regarding Best at L-1 and why he hasn't been hammered.... If he is town scum would have hammered him by now unless 2 of the 4 people voting for him are scum. If he is scum then the other scum could have already voted for him to blend in or they are unwilling to hammer him. I'm leaning towards him being scum as if he was town he'd be gone by now imo.
bestwillcui - still getting scum readings here... but not as bad as I was before. Some people have made good points towards him being newbtown and Jason has also made good points on him being scum. I don't want to be tunneled on him so I'm keeping an open mind. I'd tend to agree with Jason regarding the wishywashy readings, there is not a lot of substance there. There is still the scum lurking which is flashing red lights at me too. Still getting a scumread here, albeit a lighter one.
Derivan- Made a good point regarding GM. I'd like to hear more as you've been quiet lately.
Null read at the moment
TheGarantula - getting the biggest townread out of everyone so far. Playing a logical game with substance in your posts which I approve of and you haven't made any contradictory posts that I am aware of. Some of your posts are copying others but I think as you are new you tend to listen to some of the more experienced people here which could be both good and bad (especially if they are actually scum hiding it well).
JasonWazza (SE) - My opinion of you hasn't really changed. Still light townread off you, I've been looking at some of your other games and your playing style would tend to indicate town. However there is a niggle in the back of my mind that you might be playing us all for fools. You have asked us to view your meta if we want to find out your playing style and you could in theory play the same style as one of your townie games while actually being scum. That being said it would be a big move to do to throw your meta out a bit and I doubt you would waste such a big move on a newbie game.
Cabd (SE) - Still getting a scum read off you. You also seem to be focusing all your attention on me. I find it very odd that after I post about my gambit in post 183 and specifically say that due to the slightly anti-town nature of some posts I thought it would be perfect for scum to start a wagon on me and proclaim me as scum, Cabd started coming after me with an appalling case for me being scum. Cabd is supposed to be semi experienced and if he was scum by coming after me he is one of 3 things;
town acting the maggot
really stupid scum
smart wifom scum
misuse of terminology in your crusade against me and the general belligerence with absolutely no interest in protown posting or scumhunting backs up the scum theory
Fegelein (SE) - I don't really have anything new to add to previous reads. Started off light scum but moved into null. I still have you as null
goodmorning (IC) - I have been thinking about my original town reads on you and feel I may have been a bit rash. Right now I would not be surprised if you flipped scum but I have you null at the moment. I think the fact that you have done your job as IC by being quite helpful with terminology and strategy to us newbies without really doing much scumhunting or being helpful towards the game. There have been lots of promises of read lists and whatnot with out any thing coming which is firing up the flashing red lights for me. Null read for now until you post a good readlistI think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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But for serious GM this is better from youappreciate a different point of view on him... and it helps that the out come is the same as my theories on him.
It be great if you could do something similar for other suspect people in the game
You've taken a wee shuffle from null to slight townread in my booksI think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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see post 271In post 281, goodmorning wrote:[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p5051885]
It's possible. Or you could.In post 280, Guyett wrote:Ok so you have done a lot of work on cabd... much of which I agree with. Any chance on a similar amount of work on others? theeeeeeeenksI think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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In post 294, Cabd wrote:
TOWNIn post 289, bestwillcui wrote:Wait, what happened to the server thing?
Oh, and I asked, "Are we allowed to breadcrumb in this game?" or something along those lines.
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In post 322, TheGarantula wrote:Hmm, the last time you posted reads you said Guyett was null; Cabd and Derivan were the only two you said seemed scummy but didn't read as null.
You also pointed to JasonWazza as being scummy for bandwagoning but then 180'd without explanation. Why did you choose Guyett as scummiest this time? What makes him more scummy than the other three you previously mentioned?In post 254, bestwillcui wrote:
Derivan: appears a little scummy and lurking quite a bit, but I don't understand why Fegelein is pushing for a lynch on him.
Guyett: has some scummy traits, but more town aspects. Null
Cabd: There seems to be a huge wagon on him and I kind of understand it, but it seems a little over. However, he does look a little scummy
So I went from null to scummiest....I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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Cabd I also played scum in this game
http://www.footballforums.net/forums/sh ... m-Mafia-II
I replaced into it and played bodyguardI think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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@Cabd this might make it easier for doing ISO's on the other forum
http://www.footballforums.net/forums/se ... hid=884394
http://www.footballforums.net/forums/se ... hid=884398I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.- Guyett
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In post 339, TheGarantula wrote:tl;dr: Guyett thinks most of Cabd's posts reek of scum?Why exactly are you voting Best over Cabd if you think he's so scummy?
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You sort of missed the point of that post... The "info" was just part of his pressure ploy.post 99 some excuse for not posting much.. any sign on that info yet?
The ordering was supposedly suspicious; you agree with him but then question him on the thing you seemingly agreed with. Also, I made a post already that responded to him about that.post 213 I dont even see how what I posted is suspicious...
How do you arrive at 1 in 2? Also, goodmorning and Cabd made a fairly good case as to why breadcrumbing as scum isn't smart in a game like this.post 300 Eh scum dont know the exact setup but instead of a 1 in 6 guess they have a 1 in 2 guess of what set up it is. Those odds are nice for fake claiming a role via breadcrumbs
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inorite?The fuck is this? Am I being counter-ISO'd or something?
Is that even a thing like seriously what?
Guyett are you just doing this as an OMGUS-type-thing?
sorry that should read 1 in 2 or 1 in 4 depending on whether there is a roleblocker scum in the game. I forgot that there was 2 mafia goon slots on the 3X3 matrix.I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild. - Guyett
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