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Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:03 pm

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hello folks :)
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Post Post #30 (isolation #1) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:17 pm

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In post 22, Darq wrote:VOTE: Guyett

For not having an avatar.
That better :P
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Post Post #33 (isolation #2) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:37 am

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yes goodmorning but its still early days and I'm still getting used to things here :)
I dont know how much scumhunting can realistically be done in the first few hours unless someone has a complete meltdown.
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Post Post #41 (isolation #3) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:06 am

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Excellent :)
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Post Post #45 (isolation #4) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:06 pm

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In post 43, Cabd wrote:Last visited:
Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:00 pm

Now i'm sure of it.
does seem quite suspicious
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Post Post #59 (isolation #5) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:39 pm

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hey quick question, can the mafia communicate with each other all the time or just at night time? theeeenks
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Post Post #61 (isolation #6) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:43 pm

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In post 23, Cabd wrote:So this is usually RVS, but in this case, the mod seems to have messed up and sent me the alignment chart. Therefore Derivan and Darq are the scum. Game over~

VOTE: Derivan

How would you get the names of two scum from the alignment chart?
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Post Post #62 (isolation #7) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:45 pm

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In post 60, JasonWazza wrote:Only night
Thought so, thanks.

So does that means the mafia know the other one is and has to attempt to guess what the other is planning? or is it blind for the first day and they have to guess who the other mafia is by telling if they are scummy enough and then work towards getting heat off their backs?
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Post Post #66 (isolation #8) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:54 am

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I'm leaning towards Cabd too at the moment.
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Post Post #77 (isolation #9) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:36 pm

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just posting to bump this game up a bit.
The spider has me down as possibly town, I'd tend to agree with him. I'm just a useless Irishman :)
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Post Post #79 (isolation #10) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:04 pm

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Why no vote? eh its still early, I'm trying to read people at this stage and I dont feel like throwing votes around and changing them everytime someone comes under scrutiny. I have a few ideas at who I want to vote for and currently as I have already stated Cabd is the most suspicious to me but I expect that might change over the next while.
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Post Post #89 (isolation #11) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:56 pm

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Spoiler: A few early thoughts and whatnot from a hungover Irishman
Darq - Hasn't really posted too much but has been online and seems to be lurking. I find this activity suspicious. I'd watch out for the quiet ones who sit back and let the others who may actually be townies tie themselves in knots heaping suspicions on themselves.

bestwillcui - Another lurker. I suspect one of the mafia will be one of our lurkers and another will probably be either the most active or the second most active poster who spends their rime dodging suspicion and my bus their partner as a technique to hide his/her scummyness.

Derivan - seems to be approaching this quite logically which I approve of. That being said I dont agree with the suspicions of Fegelein and Jason for trying to vote of the most experienced as a scummy move. Just because you have been around for a while doesnt make you a good player automatically. I think it was more voting for them to get a feeling on their reactions and then compare it to other games they've played.

TheGarantula - Another logical player. I would tend to agree with most of what you have posted. Getting a town read for the time being.

JasonWazza - getting very defensive is a bit of a red flag but I like this spat between Jason and Derivan

Cabd - Active until people called him up on his 'joke' and then disappeared for a few hours to think things over? Tbh I'm getting a bit of a scum read here. I agree with the bussing comment that someone made.

Fegelein - semi experienced player and your later non burnout related posts make sense.

goodmorning - getting a strong town read of goodmorning


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Post Post #91 (isolation #12) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:35 pm

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In post 90, JasonWazza wrote:
Check my meta i tend to get pissed at people who make shit up

Seriously he's making shit out of nothing.

If you find me defensive and not just annoyed at people making shit up to call me scummy then your stupid.
fair enough but I havent called you scummy, just that the over defensiveness seemed suspicious.
FWIW you arent very high on my list of probable mafia

So you think his logic is alright, BUT you don't agree with it?

that doesn't make sense.
It does actually, I applaud him for using logic but his logic is flawed in my opinion.

This is crap, he hasn't said anything that isn't been parroted from someone else.
sure :)
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Post Post #92 (isolation #13) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:41 am

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VOTE: Cabd


At the moment I think he is most likely scum
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Post Post #100 (isolation #14) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:08 am

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@goodmorning
reason I'm getting a townread from you is because you haven't done anything particularly scummy yet.
This below is why I'm getting a slight townread off you.
In post 69, goodmorning wrote:
In post 67, Fegelein wrote:I also have an early town read on Guyett.
Really? Interesting.
If I wasn't new to the site I would have been all over my posts asking questions about mafia tbh. Fegelein believes that I may be town from those posts but I certainly wouldnt... and it seems you didnt believe either which is why I have you down as town. Just to clarify though... I am town lol
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Post Post #110 (isolation #15) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:45 am

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In post 108, bestwillcui wrote:Personally, I believe that Guyett is playing the newb card, a scum trait. He asks about the mafia communication system and then does some analysis on people.

This is just a small suspicion though.


Yes but why would I bring attention on to myself like I did in the post below if I was Scum?
I can assure you I am not scum... but I am not a very useful townie either :(
In post 100, Guyett wrote:@goodmorning
reason I'm getting a townread from you is because you haven't done anything particularly scummy yet.
This below is why I'm getting a slight townread off you.
In post 69, goodmorning wrote:
In post 67, Fegelein wrote:I also have an early town read on Guyett.
Really? Interesting.
If I wasn't new to the site I would have been all over my posts asking questions about mafia tbh.
Fegelein believes that I may be town from those posts but I certainly wouldnt... and it seems you didnt believe either which is why I have you down as town. Just to clarify though... I am town lol
Interesting the Bestwillcui is gunning for me after my thoughts post below :roll:
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Spoiler: A few early thoughts and whatnot from a hungover Irishman
Darq - Hasn't really posted too much but has been online and seems to be lurking. I find this activity suspicious. I'd watch out for the quiet ones who sit back and let the others who may actually be townies tie themselves in knots heaping suspicions on themselves.

bestwillcui
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Another lurker. I suspect one of the mafia will be one of our lurkers and another will probably be either the most active or the second most active poster who spends their rime dodging suspicion and my bus their partner as a technique to hide his/her scummyness.

Derivan - seems to be approaching this quite logically which I approve of. That being said I dont agree with the suspicions of Fegelein and Jason for trying to vote of the most experienced as a scummy move. Just because you have been around for a while doesnt make you a good player automatically. I think it was more voting for them to get a feeling on their reactions and then compare it to other games they've played.

TheGarantula - Another logical player. I would tend to agree with most of what you have posted. Getting a town read for the time being.

JasonWazza - getting very defensive is a bit of a red flag but I like this spat between Jason and Derivan

Cabd - Active until people called him up on his 'joke' and then disappeared for a few hours to think things over? Tbh I'm getting a bit of a scum read here. I agree with the bussing comment that someone made.

Fegelein - semi experienced player and your later non burnout related posts make sense.

goodmorning - getting a strong town read of goodmorning


:)
You're starting to sound a bit scummy...

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Post Post #112 (isolation #16) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:41 am

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Lol I just read up on WIFOM. I dont know if that would be a good strategy for a mafia person or not though.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #17) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:32 pm

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@Jason you've been around a while, what are your reasons for voting for Best? Has he given away scumtells that the lesser experienced of us would not have picked up on?
I voted for him as he 'randomly' voted for me soon after I called him out as potential scum in my first thoughts post. It seemed suspicious as he was wagoning onto Darq's RVS vote for me. Then the back peddling posts backed up my feeling that he is likely scum. He's currently top of my list of potential scum.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #18) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:47 pm

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yeah I'd agree with that, I picked up on the first one but not so much on the 2nd one.

I think people have picked up on the fact that I'm not a complete newb, I'm new to this site, the rules for this site and the common abbreviations ect but I've played and run a few games on a different website :) Normally I play 10am - 10pm as daytime and 10pm - 10am as night time with the mafia being allowed talk to each other whenever they want. this game seems so much slower in comparison...
here's an example of a game I ran :D
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Post Post #144 (isolation #19) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:06 pm

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Yeah I haven't role claimed yet?!? Jason is on the money there.

I still have Cabd down as scummy
Here's a list of the players in order of scummyness reads so far

bestwillcui - so far comes off as the scummyiest one due to the posts over the last 24 hrs or so
Cabd - I am still very suspicipus of Cabd
Derivan - getting a slight scum read here
Darq - null read due to inactivity, however if the player has been lurking they could easily be scumming
Fegelein - slight town read, on SM's radar which is interesting though
TheGarantula - medium town read. more logical posting and I can see why he has targeted me. all the wifom was entirely accidental and could look pretty bad lol
JasonWazza - town read so far. experienced player who is playing slightly abrasively and calling out people on tells. this activity seems similar to styles in old games of his
goodmorning - town read for reasons already stated by me and garantula.

however from experience in games from elsewhere I think only 1 of the scum will come from the top of that list. the other will probably be in the bottom 4, possibly due to experience at hiding scum tells or just skill at hiding them.
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Post Post #148 (isolation #20) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:51 pm

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I went looking for it and coundnt find what he said so I started to think I was going mad, then I remembered its under the spoiler tag in his post.

I think i didnt explain that post very well, same problem as when I did it in another game.

I'll try explain it again using examples

Spoiler: wall of text
the following are in a game and 6 are mafia

JAY
SOUTHENDBLUE
TVR
DAN
Josh
Tshabs
EEZO
ROYALMIKE
GUYETT
THE DOC
IRISH WHITE
DAVID
SCUNNY MANDY
SJFC CRAIG
HODGE
KOPITE4LIFE
DV CANIO
ROB

It is worked out that the following are legit

JAY
SOUTHENDBLUE
TVR
DAN
Josh
Tshabs

and I ranked the rest into a most suspicious to least suspicious list like I have done.
I left myself out as I was a VT

this was the list from most suspicious to least suspicious at the time. the bolded ones are the ones that were found to be mafia

ROB

SJFC CRAIG
THE DOC
DAVID
ROYALMIKE

EEZO
SCUNNY MANDY
KOPITE4LIFE
DV CANIO

HODGE
IRISH WHITE

so it turns out that all the ones that were most suspicious at the time weren't mafia.


That is why I think someone could be scum and also is playing quite well to go unnoticed for the time being. That could be down to experience or skill. Like for example, and I'm not actually saying this is true, Jason could be scum, someone saying they read his meta and said that when he is reserved he is scum and when he is abrasive he is town. He then decided to play an abrasive game to throw people off and make them think he is town.
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Post Post #150 (isolation #21) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:07 am

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@Derivan where's you love for aul Guyett? ;_;
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Post Post #152 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:09 am

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@Jason how do I see meta's?

@best bandwagoning is a shit way of determining if someone is scum....
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Post Post #154 (isolation #23) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:15 am

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ok cool thanks :D
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Post Post #168 (isolation #24) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:36 pm

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In post 164, TheGarantula wrote:
In post 144, Guyett wrote:Yeah I haven't role claimed yet?!? Jason is on the money there.
Okay, I misunderstood you, my bad. That was a big part of my suspicion so I'll consider you null-ish again. That said I still think you were overly defensive against bestwillcui,
though I guess it could be playstyle.

UNVOTE: Guyett
yeah I'm trying something different this game that I havent done in previous games. However I am reasonably sure Best is scum


In post 163, Cabd wrote:Go look up sakura hana's scumslip in day one of Max Steel, the newbie game that just recently finished. Same thing, reads list with one read worded in a different language than the others.
Isn't the idea of meta to use the target's game history? :p
Seriously though, SakuraHana's slip wasn't her incorrect use of "you".
In post 438, Majiffy wrote:
In post 412, Sakura Hana wrote:Majiffy: Null, now that i notice other than the wagons on PhD and you, he hasn't really said much, but he does look like he's trying to attempt to scumhunt,
even if he's been wrong in both attempts.
We haven't had a flip. How would she know if the two people I pushed on are town?
yeah I'm not really reading anything into the 'you' there. I really dont see any link between that and the 'you' post in this game. What screwed Sakura there was what you bolded. V. clever of Majiffy to bus his partner so quickly though.
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Post Post #169 (isolation #25) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:02 pm

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In post 117, Derivan wrote:
In post 112, Guyett wrote:Lol I just read up on WIFOM. I dont know if that would be a good strategy for a mafia person or not though.
@Guyett
Please tell me that was a joke and you didn't just double WIFOM after reading about WIFOM? Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and chalking it up to you not realizing that this kind of circular logic is not going to get us anywhere.

lol just rereading over old posts and I saw this, must have skimmed over it as I was in work.

yeah that was a joke :giggle:
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Post Post #177 (isolation #26) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:18 pm

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@Jason my townread on GM is only a light one at this stage, no-one has jumped out as overly town but there are 3-4 people that I'm getting light town reads off.
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and possibly Feg

see post 144


I'm getting scum readings of Best and to a lesser extent Cabd.
the others are null at the moment
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Post Post #183 (isolation #27) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:31 am

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@GM I a getting a town read off Feg.

My queries about whether scum could talk was genuine. I havent played on this forum and on the other forum that I play on scum can talk when they want. However it was very WIFOM and came across as slightly anti-town.
This was intentionally done to see if I could weed out any scum. Due to the slightly anti-town nature of the post I thought it would be perfect for scum to start a wagon on me and proclaim me as scum. I'm sure the more experienced of you may have seen through this or would have coped on to it and used it as a scum tell for others.
It is what I hinted at back in post 168
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Post Post #184 (isolation #28) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:33 am

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as to why I'm getting light town reads of Feg, if he was scum he would have seen that as an opportunity to label me as scum. Like Jason (I think) said scum dont want to 'confirm' as many town as possible as it narrows the field of potential scum
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Post Post #187 (isolation #29) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:53 am

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@ MOD
any chance of a vote count? theeeeenks :)

@ GM any chance of another list of readings? thoughts on best?
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Post Post #189 (isolation #30) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:05 am

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In post 178, bestwillcui wrote:I'm lurking?

If you want to lynch a lurker today, then why not lynch Darq?
In post 181, TheGarantula wrote:He's saying that Darq is just plain MIA where as you are creating an illusion of activity without actually doing much pro-town
What Gar said. Darq has been prodded and still hasn't turned up. You on the other hand have not posted a single pro-town post since I voted for you...
In post 186, Cabd wrote:Okay.

Nothing personal but this game is on the backburner, I've got another game close to deadline that needs attention first. I'll get to everyone in due time... around 2 and a half days IRL time or so. Might pop in a bit before that, depending on how busy work is.
:roll: an excuse for lurking?
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Post Post #192 (isolation #31) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:34 pm

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Hammertime soon?
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Post Post #194 (isolation #32) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:20 pm

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what is a scumclaim?
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Post Post #196 (isolation #33) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:29 pm

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I don't really understand? I just asked if it was time for a hammer soon? How exactly does that make me scum aligned? I'm quite sure Best is scum and I'm quite positive I'm town aligned... however if you need proof by all means lynch me.
I would however refer people to post 183 :)
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Post Post #222 (isolation #34) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:28 pm

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Spoiler: derivan
In post 197, Derivan wrote:
In post 196, Guyett wrote:I don't really understand? I just asked if it was time for a hammer soon? How exactly does that make me scum aligned? I'm quite sure Best is scum and I'm quite positive I'm town aligned... however if you need proof by all means lynch me.
I would however refer people to post 183 :)
Continued discussion is pro-town. Asking if it is time to hammer is suspicious especially since we still haven't even heard from Darq (or Darq's replacement) at all. Your last couple of posts definitely have me concerned. You can't bounce back and forth between "I don't know any better" and "Only those who know better will understand my advanced scum hunting moves" and not expect to be called out for it. It looks wishy-washy or poorly played at best.


I feel I should explain myself, as I've said before I've played on different forums and the length of time for day is a 12 hours rather than up to 14 days. This game is a good bit slower than that and I got a bit excited that the day was nearly over if someone hammered. I would put that down to rookie impatience rather than scummy behavior.
I believe Best is scum and I know a good few of you do too. regarding the bouncing back and forward I have learnt said scumhunting moves from previous experience but things like hammers are new to me. in my other games the day ends at 10 pm, a person could have a majority of votes and make a case for survival or another person would do something scummy and they would survive. I wouldnt say I am a newbie at the game but I am a newbie at the game on this forum.


Spoiler: cabd
In post 198, Cabd wrote:Okay, you're totally wavering caught scum now, guylett.
Scum wants day to be over as soon as possible. Scum likes the night. I'm town. I frigging hate the night. It's useless for my win condition. Night is the scum phase, and entering it this early is dumb and scum motivated. Hence, you're claiming scum.

see above

Spoiler: cabd not paying attention
In post 199, Cabd wrote:
In post 189, Guyett wrote:
In post 186, Cabd wrote:Okay.

Nothing personal but this game is on the backburner, I've got another game close to deadline that needs attention first. I'll get to everyone in due time... around 2 and a half days IRL time or so. Might pop in a bit before that, depending on how busy work is.
:roll: an excuse for lurking?
Also this was (yes I'm using the O word guys) opportunistic of you to test the waters of following GM's vote on me without actually laying one down.

you seem to be forgetting that I voted for you back on post 92...
I have been suspicious of you since before then. I was only getting light scum reads off you but after the last few hours I'm getting much heavier scum reads...
see post 144 and 177. So tell me again how was I being opportunistic again?

Spoiler: cabd being scummy again :rolleyes
In post 200, Cabd wrote:
In post 196, Guyett wrote:if you need proof by all means lynch me
This is also a good reason to lynch you. This is such a scumtell like seriously. This is almost as bad as "I don't fear the cop, cop me tonight" in the tell list.

so everything that I do is coming off as a major scumtell? Why hasn't everyone else picked up on it?
my victory condition says that I win if all scum are removed, not that I must survive to the end. I dont mind getting lynched if it helps rout out scum like you.
Again see post 183 and for added measure have a look at this
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... 27s_Gambit


Spoiler: Gar questioning cabd lack of logic, cabd with a full on retard reply
In post 202, Cabd wrote:
In post 201, TheGarantula wrote:Reading the thread from my phone so I'd just like to ask why that's a tell. Not arguing, just curious.
It's essentially claiming godfather. Town has no reason to induce WIFOM into night action choices.
I didn't know there was a godfather in this newbie game :facepalm:

Spoiler: GM calling out Cabd
In post 203, goodmorning wrote:Well if Cabd doesn't flip Scum now I'll be incredibly surprised.


I am almost certain Cabd is scum and I will vote for him once Best is gone or can prove to us he is not scum.


Spoiler: cabd scraping the barrel
In post 213, Cabd wrote:I knew something else was bugging me! Found it. Note the ordering of these posts:
In post 45, Guyett wrote:
In post 43, Cabd wrote:Last visited:
Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:00 pm

Now i'm sure of it.
does seem quite suspicious
In post 61, Guyett wrote:
In post 23, Cabd wrote:So this is usually RVS, but in this case, the mod seems to have messed up and sent me the alignment chart. Therefore Derivan and Darq are the scum. Game over~

VOTE: Derivan

How would you get the names of two scum from the alignment chart?

Are you actually serious!!!
Darq back then was possibly lurking but at least he was active then!!! He is not active now so he is not lurking? Until he comes back or is replaced I have nothing to say about darq...
As for me bringing up your little 'joke'.... how is that in any way scum related? Back then I was getting light scum reads off you and bumped it to remind people.

Spoiler: gar pointing out cabds inconsistencies
In post 217, Cabd wrote:
In post 216, TheGarantula wrote:My point was that you said you were going to make a big case for him but you only cited 1 example from his previous posts.
Can a case be made ONLY with quotes? Does a case have to be a single wall instead of a laid out series of posts? Because if you think the answer is yes to either of those, you've got rough sailing ahead on this site.
In post 218, TheGarantula wrote:It isn't like I posted 5 minutes after you wondering where the rest of your case was. It's been 6 hours and you haven't made a wall or a series of posts; you just made one. Why would you start to make a case without finishing? What point does that serve?

Cabds logic is so bad here, Gar points out that Cabd hasn't actually delivered what he promised and cabd gives a politicians cheap condescending answer. lol he was obviously furiously writing up a set of contradictory reasons as to why I am scum in those 6 hours :giggle:

Spoiler: more crap from cabd being called up
In post 198, Cabd wrote:Okay, you're totally wavering caught scum now, guylett.
What wavering? He didn't change any of his positions since your reply.[/quote]

Its Guyett btw :)
how am I wavering? I was asleep :roll:
I had you down as potential scum and voted for you. Then Best did some more scummy stuff so I voted for him instead all the while keeping an eye on you.
You are currently 2nd in my list of potential scum and that hasn't changed since I voted for Best.... how is that wavering again?

Spoiler: best and jason
In post 219, bestwillcui wrote:Ok so I am at L-1. Should I roleclaim?
In post 220, JasonWazza wrote:Not until intent to hammer.

what jason said. It would be interesting to see what you claim if and when you do :]
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Post Post #224 (isolation #35) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:07 am

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I was talking about myself there Best
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Post Post #225 (isolation #36) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:10 am

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@ best
how about some readings for all the people from the game?
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Post Post #227 (isolation #37) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:43 am

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In post 126, bestwillcui wrote:
In post 122, JasonWazza wrote:
UNVOTE: Cabd
VOTE: bestwillcui
FoS: Cabd


the "it was a reaction test" line is old.
OK, so now you vote me for reaction testing.

Anyway, here's my read on the players:

Darq - Hardly active, 2 posts don't tell much. Possibly lurking, a scum trait.

Derivan - Not very active either, possibly lurking a little bit, but not sure. Leaning scum

goodmorning - Town read, pretty helpful scum-hunting and all.

Cabd - Not sure, some scummy behavior and some town-like behavior

Guyett - An interesting character. Seems like a newb but doesn't play so newb-ishly at sometimes

JasonWuzza - An interesting playing style, gets mad a lot. I don't know why you are voting me for saying that I was reaction testing, possibly a bandwagon, but I'm not sure. Leaning scum

TheGarantula - Like goodmorning, helpful, town read

Fegelein - Helpful, leaning towards town at this point.


These are just my opinions as of now. I will re-read the thread and re-evaluate.

this was your last proper read, could you do another please. I want to hear your opinion on recent developments :]
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Post Post #232 (isolation #38) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:31 am

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Correct me if im wrong but isn't a chainsaw when i claim to be say a miller when actually being mafia? If so that isn't possible in a newbie game...
How am i overextending?
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Post Post #234 (isolation #39) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:01 pm

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In post 233, goodmorning wrote:Chainsaw is technically defending
someone else
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By the time a tell has a name it usually ceases to be that relevant.

Basically I'm going to do my expanded readslist when I get back.
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Post Post #235 (isolation #40) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:12 pm

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also regarding the chainsaw I think Cabd misapplied the term...

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The key to identifying this tell is intent - it is possible to confuse Chainsaw Defense with a player who simply finds the attacker scummy and has no intent of defense. In general, you can be reasonably sure that this tell is involved if a) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense has not previously been especially critical of the player he is now attacking, and b) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense seems to find the player he is supposedly defending at least reasonably pro-town.

regarding A I have been critical of cabd and regarding B I dont find Cabd in anyway protown at the minute...
Also for it to be chainsaw I'd be defending someone who you are attacking by attacking you... but who am I defending here except for myself??? therefore it surely isn't chainsaw?!?
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Post Post #243 (isolation #41) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:15 pm

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I'm willing to get in on a Cabd wagon.
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Post Post #255 (isolation #42) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:39 pm

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then vote for someone to put pressure on them
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Post Post #258 (isolation #43) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:44 am

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I'm off to work now but I should post a detailed reading of people based on peoples changing opinions over the last 2 days.
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Post Post #271 (isolation #44) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:24 am

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ryhx - nice logical post, some of it is reiterating what others have said and some of it is new. Its refreshing to get a new point of view. More in depth on some people and a bit light on others. regarding your comment on me being non-committal is me just being realistic, I've said who I suspect is scum but in reality the scum aren't always the people who come across as the scummiest. some people are very good at hiding their true alignment and others are town just playing a bad game. Asking for readings is useful as they can give away scumtells.
I am getting a light townread here :]
You made a very interesting observation regarding Best at L-1 and why he hasn't been hammered.... If he is town scum would have hammered him by now unless 2 of the 4 people voting for him are scum. If he is scum then the other scum could have already voted for him to blend in or they are unwilling to hammer him. I'm leaning towards him being scum as if he was town he'd be gone by now imo.


bestwillcui - still getting scum readings here... but not as bad as I was before. Some people have made good points towards him being newbtown and Jason has also made good points on him being scum. I don't want to be tunneled on him so I'm keeping an open mind. I'd tend to agree with Jason regarding the wishywashy readings, there is not a lot of substance there. There is still the scum lurking which is flashing red lights at me too. Still getting a scumread here, albeit a lighter one.


Derivan- Made a good point regarding GM. I'd like to hear more as you've been quiet lately.
Null read at the moment


TheGarantula - getting the biggest townread out of everyone so far. Playing a logical game with substance in your posts which I approve of and you haven't made any contradictory posts that I am aware of. Some of your posts are copying others but I think as you are new you tend to listen to some of the more experienced people here which could be both good and bad (especially if they are actually scum hiding it well).


JasonWazza (SE) - My opinion of you hasn't really changed. Still light townread off you, I've been looking at some of your other games and your playing style would tend to indicate town. However there is a niggle in the back of my mind that you might be playing us all for fools. You have asked us to view your meta if we want to find out your playing style and you could in theory play the same style as one of your townie games while actually being scum. That being said it would be a big move to do to throw your meta out a bit and I doubt you would waste such a big move on a newbie game.


Cabd (SE) - Still getting a scum read off you. You also seem to be focusing all your attention on me. I find it very odd that after I post about my gambit in post 183 and specifically say that due to the slightly anti-town nature of some posts I thought it would be perfect for scum to start a wagon on me and proclaim me as scum, Cabd started coming after me with an appalling case for me being scum. Cabd is supposed to be semi experienced and if he was scum by coming after me he is one of 3 things;
town acting the maggot
really stupid scum
smart wifom scum
misuse of terminology in your crusade against me and the general belligerence with absolutely no interest in protown posting or scumhunting backs up the scum theory

Fegelein (SE) - I don't really have anything new to add to previous reads. Started off light scum but moved into null. I still have you as null


goodmorning (IC) - I have been thinking about my original town reads on you and feel I may have been a bit rash. Right now I would not be surprised if you flipped scum but I have you null at the moment. I think the fact that you have done your job as IC by being quite helpful with terminology and strategy to us newbies without really doing much scumhunting or being helpful towards the game. There have been lots of promises of read lists and whatnot with out any thing coming which is firing up the flashing red lights for me. Null read for now until you post a good readlist :]
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Post Post #274 (isolation #45) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:15 pm

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Total scumtell :P
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Post Post #276 (isolation #46) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:23 pm

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But for serious GM this is better from you :] appreciate a different point of view on him... and it helps that the out come is the same as my theories on him.
It be great if you could do something similar for other suspect people in the game :]
You've taken a wee shuffle from null to slight townread in my books :]
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Post Post #279 (isolation #47) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:42 pm

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*she.... I'm sorry I'm not sober... I shall cast my eyes over GM's posts again :(
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Post Post #280 (isolation #48) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:52 pm

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Ok so you have done a lot of work on cabd... much of which I agree with. Any chance on a similar amount of work on others? theeeeeeeenks
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Post Post #282 (isolation #49) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:18 pm

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In post 281, goodmorning wrote:[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p5051885]
In post 280, Guyett wrote:Ok so you have done a lot of work on cabd... much of which I agree with. Any chance on a similar amount of work on others? theeeeeeeenks
It's possible. Or you could.
see post 271 :cool:
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Post Post #309 (isolation #50) » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:30 pm

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In post 294, Cabd wrote:
In post 289, bestwillcui wrote:Wait, what happened to the server thing?

Oh, and I asked, "Are we allowed to breadcrumb in this game?" or something along those lines.
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Post Post #312 (isolation #51) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:11 am

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I agree, but it could also get the cop if there is one to protect you from the NK.
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Post Post #314 (isolation #52) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:40 am

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Yeah I meant a doctor... derp moment lol
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Post Post #325 (isolation #53) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:00 am

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In post 322, TheGarantula wrote:Hmm, the last time you posted reads you said Guyett was null; Cabd and Derivan were the only two you said seemed scummy but didn't read as null.
In post 254, bestwillcui wrote:
Derivan: appears a little scummy and lurking quite a bit, but I don't understand why Fegelein is pushing for a lynch on him.

Guyett: has some scummy traits, but more town aspects. Null

Cabd: There seems to be a huge wagon on him and I kind of understand it, but it seems a little over. However, he does look a little scummy
You also pointed to JasonWazza as being scummy for bandwagoning but then 180'd without explanation. Why did you choose Guyett as scummiest this time? What makes him more scummy than the other three you previously mentioned?

So I went from null to scummiest.... :facepalm:
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Cabd I also played scum in this game
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I replaced into it and played bodyguard :]
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Post Post #336 (isolation #56) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:06 pm

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Spoiler: cabd ISO
post 23 your little joke
post 42 and 43 after Darq, at the time I agreed as it potentially looked like scum lurking but it turns out they were just inactive.
post 49, you say it was not merely an activity tell... so what was it then?
post 51 promising info... will you deliver?
post 99 some excuse for not posting much.. any sign on that info yet?
post 136 switches target to Gar... The reasoning is atrocious. You bring up an example from a different game done by a different player and expect us to believe this tell... then upon seeing the scumslip it is obvious that the tell that you pointed out was not actually the slip
post 139 use of you is not weird when used in the following way;
@Cabd, you are blah blah blah. the @ indicates the player is asking said person a direct question
post 166 so Gar gets a townread for looking up info on the other game O_o
post 193 on to me now, another promise, this time for a big post, I wonder when it'll come
post 205 linking to your meta for how to tell if you are town or scum... look back at my reads on Jason, It would be very easy for you to point out how you play as town and as scum, then play like you would as town despite being scum.
As GM pointed out this was an unasked for self meta, big scum tell ;)
post 212 another promise, this time to ISO me... bear in mind this was posted nearly 5 DAYS AGO
post 213 I dont even see how what I posted is suspicious...
post 292 asking for an extension due to the outage.... as GM pointed out she did this in another game while playing as scum
post 294 not a townslip.... covering for your scum buddy?
post 300 Eh scum dont know the exact setup but instead of a 1 in 6 guess they have a 1 in 2 guess of what set up it is. Those odds are nice for fake claiming a role via breadcrumbs
post 307 still no sign of that post you've been on about, promising to do it the next day.
post 328 finally the post. took its time to get here though


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Best can wait, Cabd is annoying me now

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Post Post #341 (isolation #58) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:17 pm

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In post 339, TheGarantula wrote:tl;dr: Guyett thinks most of Cabd's posts reek of scum?
Why exactly are you voting Best over Cabd if you think he's so scummy?

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post 99 some excuse for not posting much.. any sign on that info yet?
You sort of missed the point of that post... The "info" was just part of his pressure ploy.
post 213 I dont even see how what I posted is suspicious...
The ordering was supposedly suspicious; you agree with him but then question him on the thing you seemingly agreed with. Also, I made a post already that responded to him about that.
post 300 Eh scum dont know the exact setup but instead of a 1 in 6 guess they have a 1 in 2 guess of what set up it is. Those odds are nice for fake claiming a role via breadcrumbs
How do you arrive at 1 in 2? Also, goodmorning and Cabd made a fairly good case as to why breadcrumbing as scum isn't smart in a game like this.

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The fuck is this? Am I being counter-ISO'd or something?

Is that even a thing like seriously what?
inorite?
Guyett are you just doing this as an OMGUS-type-thing?

sorry that should read 1 in 2 or 1 in 4 depending on whether there is a roleblocker scum in the game. I forgot that there was 2 mafia goon slots on the 3X3 matrix.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #59) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:32 pm

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There was nothing rage about my Iso, more merely showing that it is possible to do one in a few minutes, not over a week after promising to do one.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #60) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:45 pm

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In post 342, ryhx wrote:
In post 336, Guyett wrote:post 205 linking to your meta for how to tell if you are town or scum... look back at my reads on Jason, It would be very easy for you to point out how you play as town and as scum, then play like you would as town despite being scum.
In post 329, Guyett wrote:Cabd I also played scum in this game
http://www.footballforums.net/forums/sh ... m-Mafia-II
I replaced into it and played bodyguard :]
You're calling out Cabd for playing meta after you pull out your meta?
there is a difference, his one was unasked for and he was using it to show why he wasn't scum. The first time I posted mine it was a link to a game that I ran on a different forum, I wasn't defending myself or anything, just posting it if people wanted a rout around there. Last night Cabd was reading through 1 game that I played scum as there, I linked him to another and then linked him to my ISO's as the forum is a bit different there than here for bringing them up.
Not that it really mattered as in the first game I got found out when I claimed to be a miller and the mod accidentally worded the death story of the player who was actually miller to make it look like there was only 1. The other time one of my scumbuddies bussed all of us and won the game for us.
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Post Post #358 (isolation #61) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:43 am

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@ryhx
I don't think I explained it very well in that post and the end does come off kind of wishy washy. As I've said I used it before and people didn't really understand it then either
Here it is in that game.
http://www.footballforums.net/forums/sh ... ost8231590

I will bring this up at the end of the game as I expect it to look very similar to what it is in that link.

I have clarified that I think both Cabd and Best are the scumiest so far. However I may have been tunneling on Best and some peoples opinions that his play seems newbtown could be true. I'd be willing to bet that only 1 from Cabd and Best is actually scum.... my money is on Cabd at the moment.

from the other 6 players the only one that I'm relatively confident that is town is Gar.
I have a light town read on Jason and an even lighter one on GM
Feg, Deri and Rhyx are all null. However from experience one of those 3 and possibly GM will prob turn out to be scum. We just have to wait until one hopefully gives us a scumtell
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Post Post #360 (isolation #62) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:45 am

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@gar he has been promising ISO's and reads for weeks, given the amount of time it took to post my ones we might be waiting another week to get thos new ISO's ;)
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Post Post #361 (isolation #63) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:46 am

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It is L-1
GM, Deri, Me and JAson have voted for Cabd
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Post Post #371 (isolation #64) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:51 am

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Spoiler: gar post
In post 368, TheGarantula wrote:
In post 365, ryhx wrote:
In post 336, Guyett wrote:post 292 asking for an extension due to the outage.... as GM pointed out she did this in another game while playing as scum
post 294 not a townslip.... covering for your scum buddy?
post 300 Eh scum dont know the exact setup but instead of a 1 in 6 guess they have a 1 in 2 guess of what set up it is. Those odds are nice for fake claiming a role via breadcrumbs
1) Not an alignment tell. At all.
2) Already explained by cabd
2) 1 in 4 are shit odds and you're the one being disingeneous if you're supporting in as a good idea.
#2 is fairly interesting, seeing as Guyett skipped Cabd's post which clarified. Like I said earlier, Guyett's whole ISO felt OMGUS-y, though he got defensive towards bestwillcui earlier as well, so I'm not sure if it is necessarily scummy since this is a newbie game.
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Vote: Deri


This is not a reprieve for Cabd, just a temporary move of vote to be a bit surer that he does indeed say what he's going to say.
In post 354, goodmorning wrote:And oh, Deri. I think you and my vote may be having a little chat soon.
What made you suspect Derivan? Do you agree with Fegelein's assertions?
In post 358, Guyett wrote:from the other 6 players the only one that I'm relatively confident that is town is Gar.
What happened to your town read on goodmorning? It seems to have vanished over the last few pages.


it is just a gut feeling. she seems to be keeping her cards close to her chest which I find interesting.
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Post Post #384 (isolation #65) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:45 pm

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In post 374, Cabd wrote:BTW i'm still here. I'm just at work at the moment. I'll get up the rest of guyett and the next one by tonight for sure.
I wonder will he actually post one by tonight....
I decided to not make a comment though because he gets quite pissy when you do.
In post 360, Guyett wrote:@gar he has been promising ISO's and reads for weeks, given the amount of time it took to post my ones we might be waiting another week to get thos new ISO's ;)
an example of a previous comment after another promise to post reads/ISO's.
I wonder how he'd take it?
In post 362, Cabd wrote:Get off your high horse man. Some of us have other things that take priority. No need to be in a rush to end the day. If you lynch me at the end of it so be it but ill be damned if I won't get to speak my cases.
Not well. How long have you been promising these reads ISO's again?
In post 382, Cabd wrote:BTW I'm choosing to post them all at once. Tomorrow. Because that way we don't get shenanigans like my first half of guy's ISO.


So you all can look forward to that. Anybody hammering before then is obviously scum, so I suppose if scum wants to hammer me early, they can.
But wait... you said you'd have stuff posted by tonight for sure (post 374)
This is more delaying and stalling on your promises.
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Post Post #386 (isolation #66) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:42 am

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@rhyx tbh Jason has been on both Cabd and Best's case for a while calling both out for being scummy... I'd imagine he'd be happy with either going :shrug:

I think Best is a lot smarter than he is letting on, he is playing a newb game making it look town.
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@GM I understand that but it has been a full week since he first stated he was going to comprise a big post and all he has done is teased us with a half finished ISO on me... Like Gar said we have less than 48 hours to go before the deadline!!! I am pretty sure he will flip scum and he is only stalling us into a no vote.

@Rhyx and Best you are both still voting for me, has the last day or 2 changed your mind on your vote? I agree Deri is acting suspicious with his observational style of play, it seems very much like active lurking
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Post Post #400 (isolation #68) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:31 pm

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I have my graduation tomorrow so I'm gonna have limited access :(
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Post Post #418 (isolation #69) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:20 pm

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Ok Cabd I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for the time being. There's a lot of good logical points raised
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I'll need to think on stuff but I'd be leaning towards Best or Deri for now.
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Post Post #419 (isolation #70) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:42 pm

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In post 407, Cabd wrote:That's where I've got to stop for now, I'll do the two SE slots and the IC slot in a bit.

I also need to meta Jasonwazza,
because right now I'm thinking a Best/Jason scumteam.

In post 405, bestwillcui wrote:Huh...I'm not really understanding you that well.

What is that picture supposed to represent?
You're hedging your bets on wagons.
What has made you move off me?
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Post Post #457 (isolation #71) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:52 pm

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Post Post #466 (isolation #72) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:59 pm

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I'm only in from my mad day/night out. It's nearly 5am where I am and I'm only home now I graduated from college today :) I've been drinking since half 11 (15 hours drinking or so :P) my time so I apologise for any mistakes. I'm not entirely comfortable voting for Deri yet but Best can get my vote. I only hope I got it in in time. FWIW Cabd I am willing to claim my role as a plain old Vanilla :(

Best I hope you are scum and if you arent I apoloagose to everyone for hammering him
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Post Post #470 (isolation #73) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:02 pm

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If he is town lynch me tomorrow :(

Like I said I'm only in and saw a timer that said a few hours left... I felt I had to make a move and to me Best is scummier than deri.
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Post Post #473 (isolation #74) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:05 pm

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@cabd I genuinely am not sober. look at my last few days, I have been on Bests case more than Deri. Also I am in Ireland and it is currently 05:04
I'm just in by flicking through I felt I had to make a move. Sorry if it looked bad :(
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Post Post #475 (isolation #75) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:07 pm

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Also I claimed Very Limited Access. That was the 2nd time I've been on here in 24 hours. If you want I can provide pictiures of my graduation...

yeah well I've been arrested for drink cycling... maybe I'll be lynched for drink hammering if this ends up like shit :(
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Post Post #476 (isolation #76) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:09 pm

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In post 435, Cabd wrote:If we end up no-lynching I'm wallposting wet kittens. Seriously. No lynch is bad and anyone helping no lynch happen should feel bad.
Is drunk hammering worse than no lynching?.....
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Post Post #479 (isolation #77) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:13 pm

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It' light outside and I'm in work in a few hours :(
@best if you are town I sincerely apologise for hammering you :(
However I think best is scum so I think it'll be ok :D
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Post Post #483 (isolation #78) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:18 pm

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If best flips town lynch me... I deserve it
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Post Post #549 (isolation #79) » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:37 pm

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about f*cking time that night ended.

Ok first of all I'd like to apologise for the drunk hammer, it was really stupid and I should have waited for Best to claim his role. I was drunk and with both players at L-1 I saw the deadline looming so I took it upon myself to hammer the player I was most suspicious of. Deri had claimed a PR and it turns out Best holds a PR so we probably would have had to all vote for a new person (likely Cabd or myself at that stage in the game)

Now due to Deri's role claim and Bests role reveal upon death It seems we are in set up 3
BP townie, Stalker, 2 goons and 5 VTs

lets look at the remaining players then

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JasonWazza (SE)
Klick (SE)
goodmorning (IC)

Deri is confirmed town now unless someone decides to role claim (I would tend to believe Deri here as he claimed a role before Bests role became known and his claim fits in with the setups available)

I know some of you will want me lynched but I assure you I am town, If I get lynched we could be in ly-lo with 2 mafia out of the 5 remaining.
I think it's obvious that with best lynched the scum could kill cabd to point fingers at the people who were most after them (Jason and myself)

I have a question regarding NS's post about the deadline extension. Klick comes in to replace Feg and the deadline is being extended... if Feg was town he would have nothing to do with any night time activities so why would his replacement need an extension for night time? I don't know if it common policy here to give an extension for everyone replacing at night time. could Klick then be scum? Rhyx and GM have both been on his case for a portion of time

I still believe both Gar and Rhyx are town, their posts seem logical and genuine.

I'm really not sure about Jason and GM anymore.
@jason Deri is essentially confirmed town so why don't you believe him?
you are still being confrontational with your posts so I would probably have you at null rather than scum for now.

@gm why no outburst after I drunk hammered best? got a lot of reaction from Cabd, rhyx and gar but none from you...
you'e been very distant in this game, have you even been doing much scum hunting?

I want to hear from klick but for now
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I would have thought the other way, there was still half a day for potential scum to read up and have a chat. extending it for an extra day or 2 makes the replacement look like scum :shrug:
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yeah I know now Jason... I didn't know the standard procedure for replacements during night time. Then again I did say I wanted to hear from klick before making any judgement.
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I know this is super WIFOMy but if I'm already looking bad for drunk hammering best why would I then lynch the other person that was top of my scummiest people list.
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Post Post #558 (isolation #83) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:29 am

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fine lynch me... I'll flip town and you'll all be in ly-lo tomorrow :shrug:
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Post Post #559 (isolation #84) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:37 am

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In post 144, Guyett wrote:Yeah I haven't role claimed yet?!? Jason is on the money there.

I still have Cabd down as scummy
Here's a list of the players in order of scummyness reads so far

bestwillcui - so far comes off as the scummyiest one due to the posts over the last 24 hrs or so
Cabd - I am still very suspicipus of Cabd
Derivan - getting a slight scum read here
Darq - null read due to inactivity, however if the player has been lurking they could easily be scumming
Fegelein - slight town read, on SM's radar which is interesting though
TheGarantula - medium town read. more logical posting and I can see why he has targeted me. all the wifom was entirely accidental and could look pretty bad lol
JasonWazza - town read so far. experienced player who is playing slightly abrasively and calling out people on tells. this activity seems similar to styles in old games of his
goodmorning - town read for reasons already stated by me and garantula.

however from experience in games from elsewhere I think only 1 of the scum will come from the top of that list
. the other will probably be in the bottom 4, possibly due to experience at hiding scum tells or just skill at hiding them.
yeah so of the top 3 2 are dead and confirmed town and the other is as good as confirmed town now.
I said 1 from the bottom 4 but I think we might have 2 from there now, either 2 SE's or one SE and an IC
I know that people said it was wishy washy but this is what I meant with that post earlier... the scummiest then are not always the scum.
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not pushing it,
Also I can assure you I was drunk. I had my graduation and I was drinking from 11am until 3am, I had the worst hangover I've ever had... it lasted 3 days :(
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Post Post #569 (isolation #86) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:57 pm

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In post 564, TheGarantula wrote:
In post 561, ryhx wrote:Guyett's matyr 'deserved to be lynched, please lynch me' shtick is kind of bugging me.
What I find strange is that he says to policy lynch him multiple times but then switches to "jk plz don't" once people express suspicion of him.
Its more a case of me saying lynch me because I f*cked up as a townie when drunk....but I could well have cost town the game with that stupid hammer.
I'm saying that I would understand if you lynched me... hell I'd lynch me for that. But if you do lynch me it'll be almost impossible for town to win.
I've said it already, I think we are dealing with experienced scum... they know I've played the WIFOM card already so they lynched my main scum target :shrug:
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In post 579, ryhx wrote:
In post 567, Derivan wrote:
In post 564, TheGarantula wrote:
In post 561, ryhx wrote:Guyett's matyr 'deserved to be lynched, please lynch me' shtick is kind of bugging me.
What I find strange is that he says to policy lynch him multiple times but then switches to "jk plz don't" once people express suspicion of him.
His story is plausible though, here is my read list.
Here's my problem with Guyett:
In post 466, Guyett wrote: I'm not entirely comfortable voting for Deri yet but Best can get my vote. I only hope I got it in in time. FWIW Cabd I am willing to claim my role as a plain old Vanilla :(
In post 470, Guyett wrote:Like I said I'm only in and saw a timer that said a few hours left... I felt I had to make a move and to me Best is scummier than deri.
He goes from he rushed because he hoped to get his vote in, in time to he saw there were a few hours left.
In post 473, Guyett wrote:I'm just in by flicking through I felt I had to make a move. Sorry if it looked bad :(
His concern about looking bad, looks bad.

His posts are rather coherent and he seems to have an understanding of what was going on. I don't doubt that he was drinking, a lot at that, but I'm wondering just how drunk/sober was he.
In post 549, Guyett wrote: Ok first of all I'd like to apologise for the drunk hammer, it was really stupid and I should have waited for Best to claim his role. I was drunk and with both players at L-1 I saw the deadline looming so I took it upon myself to hammer the player I was most suspicious of. Deri had claimed a PR and it turns out Best holds a PR so we probably would have had to all vote for a new person (likely Cabd or myself at that stage in the game)
@Guyett why did you feel you had to hammer when there were others around. Sounds like you're afraid the vote would have turned to you if best claimed.

OK so like I said I had my graduation that day, I had been drinking from 11am until 3am so I was steaming drunk... but I am capable of keeping my texts/posts somewhat coherent. If you don't want to believe that fine :shrug:

I got in and saw that the deadline was close and for some reason I decided I'd have to vote. like I said in post 466 " I'm not entirely comfortable voting for Deri yet but Best can get my vote." I hadn't yet read through the last few pages so at the time I posted the vote I was not aware of the vote count or that Deri had pr claimed. I just voted and then wrote my post 466 as an explanation.

I'm not happy with what happened as looking back it was fairly obvious both had town roles. As for being afraid of being lynched well myself or Cabd would have been obvious choices.
Of course I'm concerned that it looked bad.... I've set myself as an obvious lynch target and the mafia have done their best to keep that target on me with their night kill. It is so painfully obvious that I've been set up and if/when you lynch me you'll see for yourselves.

I'm just really frustrated that that stupid drunk hammer set it up for a scum win.
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Post Post #582 (isolation #88) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:11 am

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Then vote for me
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@rhyx and Deri what is your opinion on goodmorning?
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Post Post #583 (isolation #89) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:12 am

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Post Post #586 (isolation #90) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:35 am

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In post 585, TheGarantula wrote:I haven't had the chance to reread the thread yet due to the 4th of July and such.
That said, Guyett you look worse with each post.
The hammer itself was annoying at best, but how you've behaved s since then doesn't seem town.
VOTE: Guyett
You've been a fairly null read for most of the game, but right now you seem like the best bet. No one else has been floundering as constantly as you.

Sorry for not citing quotes but I'm on my phone. I'll look over the thread tonight/tomorrow and reevaluate everyone.
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FWIW I believe GM is scum and the other is either JW or Klick (who I'd like to hear from)
If Gar or Rhyx flip scum I will be shocked.
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Post Post #589 (isolation #91) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:00 am

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@Gm didn't you sheep on Cabd at the end of day 1?
also how am I sheeping? see my first post at the start of day 2...
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Ok time for a few thoughts;


Spoiler: deri
Deri is confo-town, anyone disputing this is an idiot imo. He claimed a BP role and Best flipped town tracker. I can't see Deri being scum and fake claiming BP without any hints as to what PR anyone else in the game has.
414 just looking at this again. I think regarding that question to me about cabd and his read lists that finally came, I had him firmly as scum until then but once he posted and I read them I saw the error in my ways and unvoted. I wasn't 100% sure he was fully town but he took a massive shunt into light town.
I agree with your reads on gar and rhyx here... I know you have me down as null here and probably null-light scum later on but your town reads on rhyx and gar match mine and both of us know you are town. Therefore our 2 scummy players are from GM, Jason, Klick and myself.... so thats a 1 in 2 chance of hitting scum.
I know I am confo-town so 2 scum come from GM, Jason and Klick... basically a 2 in 3 chance now.
based on your 434 post and 566 post you have GM and Feg (now klick) as more likely scum than Jason... I'd agree here.


Spoiler: Jason
looking through his posts I find them all legit up until when he changed his vote to best. the vote based on "reaction test being old" is a bit shite. Would anyone be able to check through jasons interaction with me from a non biased POV to see if any buddying is going on?
Best says in post 149 Jason may be scum for jumping on a bandwagon... I'd alter that to say he may be scum for jumping on a bandwagon with suspicious reasons.
What suits Jasons playstyle here is a very confrontational posting style... he can shout down any ideas people have (see post 151)
post 308 is odd, I didn't think much of it as the time as I was focused on lynching Cabd but this
@Cabd, pointing out that Town Slip is scummy as fuck.
is off considering you posted this
Mafia have no reason to give people a town read (unless they plan to kill them) because it lowers the amount of people in their lynch pool.
in post 101. contradicting much?
anyone else find post 428 to be a bit odd... "fuck this town" seems like you are distancing yourself away from the town...
post 547... how can you say you don't believe Deri?
post 557 "as your scum reads flipped town" thay were your scum reads too...


There is no point in looking at klick yet and I'm heading to work in half an hour so I will continue my look back through the game after work.

I am still happy with my vote of GM and as it stands I think GM and Klick are scum (mainly based on Feg's play) but I am not ruling out Jason being scum

Deri - town
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Rhyx - probably town
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Post Post #594 (isolation #93) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:44 am

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Eh cabd posted this
In post 294, Cabd wrote:
In post 289, bestwillcui wrote:Wait, what happened to the server thing?

Oh, and I asked, "Are we allowed to breadcrumb in this game?" or something along those lines.
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So Jason I disagree with you here.. he pointed out that it was a town slip and you have decided to take it as a town PR slip.
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Post Post #597 (isolation #94) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:58 pm

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The mafia are unhappy i 'm on to them.....
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Post Post #601 (isolation #95) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:45 pm

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In post 600, Nobody Special wrote:
Derivan and ryhx have been prodded.
Has anyone had any thoughts on this game or has marathon taken over lol
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Post Post #602 (isolation #96) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:45 pm

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Not sure why that quoted... Odd
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Post Post #604 (isolation #97) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:41 pm

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True.. Also i have limited access for a few days until my laptop comes back from repairs, it had an accident and the screen is completely fucked. I'm on my phone for the time being
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Post Post #616 (isolation #98) » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:34 am

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Lynch klick? No need for a replacement then ;)
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I'll vote for klick if there's no change from him by the end of the day
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I should qualify that that isn't being opportunistic, I've already stated who I think the scum might be and Klick is in that group of 3.... think of this as intent to vote Klick unless there is a decent bit of work done by klick within 12 hours.
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VOTE: klick
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I wasn't waiting for someone else to vote, i was waiting for klick to post. As i have said already i have 2 confirmed towns in deri and myself and 2 players that i am reasonably sure are town in gar and rhyx
That leaves just 3 people, Jason, klick and gm, that are likely scum. I am most sure about gm being scum but I'm happy to lynch klick as the chances that he is scum are decent.
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Post Post #645 (isolation #103) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:08 pm

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Putting my vote back on gm until we get a replacement
VOTE: good morning

Jason your single minded tunneling of me is reminiscent of what you did with cabd a best... Both of whom were town. You were wrong then and you're wrong again.
Who are your top 2 choices for scum?
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Then you're either an idiot or scum... I'm guessing the latter
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@ rhyx i still am but i still prefer a gm lynch... But i am getting more of a scum read off Jason. I find the role claim this early suspicious.
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A lot of why i think you are scum is gut.
I'm on my phone as i broke my laptop screen so i can't really put together a read list right now.
Do you have any other reasons for me being scum? Do you not think that my explanation for the hammer could be legit?
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Ok one sure way to find out.... Lynch me
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Sure I'll help you out then you're
VOTE: Guyett

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Don't care.. I'm vanilla townie and it'll show when i flip. You all know who i think the scum are so good luck with day 3
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I think its obvious why I'm voting myself. I want one of the three people lynch but if people are still passed off with me because of my mistake then fuck it lynch me. You'll be in lylo but at least you can try analyse the voting pattern of my lynch to find the scum
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Post Post #665 (isolation #111) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:54 am

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Ok fine UNVOTE: Guyett

Not that it matters as I'm likely gone soon

Doing some thinking in work and I'm thinking its unlikely that both tip and gm are scum... That'd be some serious bussing if they were. Considering i am sure that the 2 scum are hidden among gm, tip and Jason it logically follows that Jason is likely scum. I will read through the thread after work and put my thoughts into a post.

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@gm who is your current most likely scum team?
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Ok sorry i probably phrased that wrong. Who do you think is town or scum ect... I think it'd be good to see where people stand to see if we can narrow down the potential scum pool. Like we are going to have to come to some sort of agreement for who to lynch so we don't have a no lynch or a last minute insured mislynch
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Post Post #672 (isolation #114) » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:03 pm

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Still not sure on deri?
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What about you gar? What are your reads at the minute?
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Post Post #676 (isolation #116) » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:23 pm

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A test for tip, either he or i Will explain depending on whether he gets it
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Also why am i still your no 1 scum choice?
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Lol he passed.
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I'm from near Dublin....
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Gar could you please reread the tread and look at your top 4 scummiest choices again. If you are town, and I'm fairly sure you are, you will be making a huge mistake in lynching me.

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Ah cool 2 lads from my course in college are from belfast and I'm a big fan of the whitewater brewery :)
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It was a little joke amongst Irish people front a booze ad (carlsberg possibly)
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Share it with us Will you then!!! Like i said i have as strongest townread but i have had a night in the back of my head over the past week that he might actually be scum.. Its only a small one but I'd like to hear tour reasoning behind that vote.
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Well we know deri is town and i currently have rhyx and gar as likely town... As do most people i think.
That leaves 2 scum out of 4 people.. Me you Jason and gm.
I know I'm town so its a choice between 3. Your original slot feg was a bit suspicious and gm and that slot have been at each other all game. I think 1 of those 2 slots are likely scum. I have Jason as likely scum but I'd like to hear your thoughts on gar as i now think one of either Jason or gar are scum. (likely Jason at this point)
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Post Post #706 (isolation #126) » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:42 am

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He pr claimed towards the end of day 1 as bullet proof town and best flipped town tracker when he died
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Post Post #709 (isolation #127) » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:01 am

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Fake claim on day 1 dangerous. There could bead and deri could be lying but he claimed a role that is possible given we know 1 town pr
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Post Post #713 (isolation #128) » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:20 am

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Getting a scum out now is better than mislynching and going to lylo tbh
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Post Post #714 (isolation #129) » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:22 am

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That being said i think if we did have a doc he should remain silent as i 'm not sure who I'd believe... Try block a kill first perhaps
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Post Post #716 (isolation #130) » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:02 am

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Jason 2 thing;
Could you put your reasons for me being scum in one coherent post please. Preferably with something more than the drunk hammer.
Secondly if you get your lynch on me done what Will you do when i flip town? We'll be in lylo and you and gar Will likely be targeted.

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Post Post #719 (isolation #131) » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:18 am

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Because both of them have bandwagoned up an really pushed for my lynch
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Post Post #722 (isolation #132) » Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:57 am

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In post 720, TheGarantula wrote:
In post 701, TheIrishPope wrote:The case on Gar is looking great
inb4 this ends with you saying, "It was a reaction test."
In post 716, Guyett wrote:Could you put your reasons for me being scum in one coherent post please.
Here are some reasons:
1) You have done a lot of buddying. (e.g. Post , which seems to try and put words in my mouth)
2)You have been very prone to OMGUS. (e.g. Your votes on bestwillcui and Cabd, and possibly JasonWazza now)
3)You have probably set a new record in terms of the number of times someone has called themselves townie in a single game.
4)Your cases haven't been solid. (Our bestwillcui mislynch being the exception in my mind :/)
5) You had the very weird "vote me, but don't vote me" phase near the start of Day 2.
6)Your vote seems to be lower in value than the Mark after WW1.
7)Dat hammer.
In post 716, Guyett wrote:We'll be in lylo and you and gar Will likely be targeted.
Are you saying I'm likely to be NK'd or bandwagoned if you get lynched?
1)well in a previous post you had me as town... not exactly putting words in your mouth.
2) yeah sometimes I've done that... didn't know it was exclusively scum that did OMGUS though
3) so... I'll keep on doing it and Nobody Special will use it when he reveals my role too.
4) my case on best was solid, as was the case on Cabd imo... Cabd was inactive and looked scummy until he finally posted reads at which point I backed off. Best behaved in a way that could have been scummy or newb... we all thought he was acting odd.
5)that was because I was so pissed off with myself for that stupid drunk hammer. I'm surprised I wasn't hammered there and then tbh. I'd have understood it as it looked super scummy but I know that if I was hammered you'd be in lylo
6) how is that related to my alignment? did you just add that in as a witty joke?
7) already explained.

I'm saying there's a chance you'll get bandwagoned if I get lynched.

It is obvious I'm being set up as a scapegoat by mafia after the hammer.. you'll see after my flip or if one of the people leading my wagon is lynched
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Post Post #724 (isolation #133) » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:24 am

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2) how many of them were posted after they voted for me?
3) I'll say it again, if you want lylo on day 3 lynch me today.
4) was that the first or 2nd time I was on his case?
6) examples?

ok lets look back over events.
game is tied at 4-4 with a few hours left
I come home after ~16 hours drinking due to my graduation and in my drunken folly hammer someone
Mafia then kill the other person that I mainly suspected on day 1... if I was mafia I'd have killed rhyx or gar then as obv townies
WHY THE HELL WOULD I BRING MORE ATTENTION ON MYSELF AFTER THE QUICKHAMMER?
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Post Post #725 (isolation #134) » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:25 am

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Sorry posted before I was finished.
Does that seem plausible to you?
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Post Post #745 (isolation #135) » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:28 pm

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Only 2 days left... Should prob make a decision soon.
I realise I'm prob going to be lynched and at this stage i couldn't give a fuck. There is nothing i can do to convince you that I'm what i say i am so go ahead and vote me. Quicker you do the quicker i can sign up for another newbie game.
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Post Post #746 (isolation #136) » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:42 pm

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I'd take a look at gar tomorrow too. I don't like his case on me, most of the reasons he gives are things that both town and scum do ant it looks like he is looking for stuff to add to a case just to pad it out. Like i said the drunk hammer was a giant mistake and when scum likely win I'll point out that post i made a while ago about that.
Jason has acted very different on day 2 compared to day 1. Now his play was very similar to mine on day 1, we had similar targets and on hindsight there may have been possible buddying. Drunk hammer changed all that and now he is trying to policy lynch me... At least gar had the decency to try put a case together.
Gm and tip are strange... One of them may turn out to ve scum but i doubt both Will. Tip is giving me more town vibes than feg did... It'd be interesting to get gms read on tip if she ignored the link to feg.
Gm hasn't been as helpful as I'd have liked.. Its always like she is sitting on info and you really have to work her to get any of it.
Rhyx has really been quiet day 2 which is odd but I'm still getting town vibes.
Unless a doc claims deri remains conf town... And even if one claims they should be looked at carefully as if deri has false claimed why hasn't the doc started to subtly build a case?
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Post Post #750 (isolation #137) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:51 am

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Reason for that vote tip?
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Post Post #752 (isolation #138) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:54 am

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Preferably in the next hour...
In the meantime
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Post Post #754 (isolation #139) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:56 am

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Yep. I'm VT
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Post Post #756 (isolation #140) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:00 am

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Do tell
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Post Post #757 (isolation #141) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:04 am

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Anyone else feel that?
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Post Post #759 (isolation #142) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:05 am

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Oh its prob nothing... You said you have a power role?
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Could you describe your role a bit?
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Post Post #762 (isolation #144) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:07 am

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Like is it full of lies?
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Post Post #763 (isolation #145) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:08 am

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Must be the weather getting to me now but i think you are lying
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Post Post #765 (isolation #146) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:11 am

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In post 649, TheIrishPope wrote:hello to the people, skimming today and reading tomorrow
Apparently I'm in a bad position, so if Klick didn't claim, I'm claiming: VT
In post 755, TheIrishPope wrote:Quite interesting. Did you know I have a power role?
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Post Post #766 (isolation #147) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:24 am

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No comment?
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Tip is obv scum imo. He is playing a very smug game making a few 'joke' claims to be scum. Claiming a role in your first post seemed really strange... Then claiming a pr today seems like a big slip. Its almost like you are trying to be caught out!!! The votes on gar and Rhyx were really random and no effort to back them up with cases was made.
He is trying to cause as much confusion as possible.
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In post 775, TheIrishPope wrote:I saw my predecessor was in a tough spot, so I claimed in case he had not. In any case, it mattered little.
Suspected you might be in post 749 hence my vote in 752... My suspicions were confirmed in post 755
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Not sure why that quoted... It shouldn't be there
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Post Post #782 (isolation #151) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:40 am

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So why claim a pr earlier?
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Post Post #784 (isolation #152) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:46 am

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In post 755, TheIrishPope wrote:Quite interesting. Did you know I have a power role?
How is this not claiming a power role?!?
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Post Post #786 (isolation #153) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:50 am

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I might be from Dublin but I'm not that thick
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Post Post #788 (isolation #154) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:52 am

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Eh no you're alright... Why don't you unvote
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You know i'm not going to unvote, you scum slipped earlier
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I don't, i just hope Rhyx intends to hammer the right person
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Post Post #795 (isolation #157) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:05 am

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Gar what do you make of tip's pr claim?
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We've been over this already lad
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Post Post #799 (isolation #159) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:13 am

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Because you scum slipped
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You claim VT in your first post. Then you claim to have a power role earlier today. Now we know best had a role and that deri likely has one. You claimed i was role fishing.. I wanted to know if you where trying to claim doc as its the only legit role left. You have been playing odd making claims that seemed like jokes which i put down as a typical Irish sense of humour but with your votes for the 2 most likely townies without cases things started to click a bit. The claim earlier was stupid and it seems like you are just taking the piss trying to cause as much confusion before your inevitable lynch
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You are scum... I am so sure of it
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We'll see. Why are you sure that I'm scum?
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Also get working on reads like deri asked
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Wow that's a lot of fluff... Real case please?
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Why vote me if you don't have a case? You put me at L1 ffs without a case!!


Who are your biggest scum reads as of right now?
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I voted you on a mix of gut and slight scum hint mainly based on your Rhyx vote (which you still haven't explained) your slip a few posts later backed up my theories
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So it was purposeful and not a slip?
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Don't try take me down with you
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Why?? You voted for me already... One of the others on my wagon could be scum too
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Yeah I'm not buying that
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Post Post #831 (isolation #171) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:11 pm

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He's talking about it from a scum point of view when you cam remove the Mafia pr as they know both are just goons.
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Post Post #833 (isolation #172) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:17 pm

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No its simple maths... Which i did in college for a while.
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Post Post #834 (isolation #173) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:48 pm

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In post 827, ryhx wrote:Two wagons hath appeared...

tip: Don't think its a scumslip, seems pretty obvious it was a ~reaction test~ of sorts. Same with his other votes, seems to be at least partially a fish for reactions, but I don't see it as an alignment tell. Would like to see what he makes of it first.

guyett: just from day 2, he's been wifoming the nk pretty hard and has been flipping his votes pretty hard trying to get a lynch going. The way he unvoted klick/tip after the momentum died is pretty suspect. Combined with my suspicions from day 1 + drunkhammergate, he's still my first pick for lynch.

@tip: how could derivan have guessed? I didn't see any hints from best. Do you think he's more likely lying or not lying

Fake edit: I keep typing in the quick reply box but this site keeps logging me out before I post and trashing my reply...WHYYYYY!!
then why haven't you voted for me yet if you're sure I'm scum?
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Post Post #836 (isolation #174) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:35 am

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or I could just do it myself to save you the time? there is nothing I can do to convince some of you that I am town except to flip town when I die. therefore waiting is a waste of time. when I'm gone look at TIP and gar please.
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Post Post #839 (isolation #175) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:15 am

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the problem with claiming now is not that you could be BP or cop... its more that if you are a PR why have you not worked towards outing Deri as being false? He claimed something like 2 weeks ago!!! surely if he has false claimed the real PR won't have let that slide...
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Post Post #841 (isolation #176) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:24 am

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no that wasn't at you, that was at anyone thinking of claiming now or calling bullshit at deri's claim...
Also I know you don't have a PR... Mafia Goon isn't a PR ;)
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Post Post #848 (isolation #177) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:34 am

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In post 843, JasonWazza wrote:Guyett, your trying to get someone to claim, THERE IS NO ACTUAL USE TO THE CLAIM AT THIS POINT

And furthermore, continually calling bullshit on his claim, makes it look like that person is a PR.

QUIT TRYING TO ROLEFISH OUT OUR DOCTOR/BULLETPROOF
I'm actually advising people not to claim at this point as I'd see them as scum straight away. But a claim at this point could be useful as it could take out a mafia rather than mislynch again.
I don't quite get your second statement
furthermore I've had a look at your play compared to recent/current games (especially ones that I've played with you in) and I'm getting more and more convinced that you are town who has anger issues and likes to shout people down.
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Post Post #850 (isolation #178) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:36 am

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In post 847, TheIrishPope wrote:Guyett: Scum. This guy started throwing shit at me the second I raised suspicion on his slot.
ryhx: Town. Newbscum would have hammered someone and tried to escape it next day. He is playing logically.
Derivan: Null. HIS CLAIM MEANS NOTHING. Which begs the question:
why would a BP claim D1?
TheGarantula: Null. Had a decent case on him when he had to Town it up for himself.
JasonWazza: I don't want to be too quick to call him Town, but he is Null-leaning Town right now.
TheIrishPope: Me!
goodmorning: Wait, who's goodmorning?

This is why he claimed
In post 451, Cabd wrote:I'm here as well. One of us can flip to avoid deadline but we need claims folks.
In post 452, TheGarantula wrote:If Deri claims but bestwillcui doesn't, or vice versa, what then?
In post 453, Derivan wrote:Bulletproof.
In post 449, JasonWazza wrote:Fucking hell, Deri claim

Just under 4 hours.

P-Edit: Not sure we can lynch Best at this point which sucks.
In post 448, ryhx wrote:Huh. I didn't think of that.

No..I'm not feeling that interpretation. The word coached seems like an awfully odd word to use if that were his intention.

Also oh yeah I can do this:
VOTE: bestwillcui
Someone claim.
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L-1 :right: Derivan - 4 - Fegelein, goodmorning, bestwillcui, Cabd
bestwillcui - 3 - TheGarantula, JasonWazza, Derivan
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Post Post #854 (isolation #179) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:39 am

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In post 849, ryhx wrote:Sweet, thanks.
In post 843, JasonWazza wrote:And furthermore, continually calling bullshit on his claim, makes it look like that person is a PR.
Wait, I don't get this. Makes who look like a PR? Guyett? TIP? Derivan?

But unless someone counter claims, Deri is believable. If someone counter-claims, well at this late stage I'll probably still believe Deri over a counter claimer. It would be some lucky odds for Deri to have guessed right.
I dont get his 2nd paragraph either

fully agree with your last statement... odds of him making a correct guess are 1 in 4 and if he was false claiming the real pr would have subtely moved attention on deri without outing themselves, especially if they are a doctor. The reason we dont have a countercalim by now is because it is too late to do so and the counterclaimer would come off as scummy
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Post Post #855 (isolation #180) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:41 am

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No we should be narrowing down the potential scum pool at this stage not keeping it wide open. Deri claimed a role that is legit in my eyes.
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Post Post #857 (isolation #181) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:43 am

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And even if there is a doctor in this game they could have counter claimed deri's claim and claimed bullet proof themselves FFS they would then likely be safe from the night kill as scum wouldnt want to wast the kill
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Post Post #858 (isolation #182) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:46 am

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Guyett - town
Deri - town
Rhyx - town
Gar- Null with a town lean
GM- Null
Jason - null with a slight scum lean
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Post Post #860 (isolation #183) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:47 am

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In post 856, TheIrishPope wrote:Fine, if you have it that way, confirmed Town is Derivan, Jason, and me. ryhx, it's pretty obvious who you should lynch.
I get how Deri is conf town and I get how you can claim yourself to be conf town...
why is Jason conf town?
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Post Post #862 (isolation #184) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:50 am

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In post 859, TheIrishPope wrote:If someone cc'd BP, what do you think would happen to Town? Yeah. Clusterfuck. Your move, scum.
No if the doc claimed to be BP at the start of day 2 they'd have a good chance of lynching deri if he was falseclaiming... like aparts from his claim that is as good as confirmed town he hasn't really acted town at all (likely due to lazyness)
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Post Post #863 (isolation #185) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:51 am

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guess what.... I also got one of those pm's... does that make me conf town?
stop taking the piss for once
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Post Post #865 (isolation #186) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:53 am

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really?
I was being pc by not saying he as we have a girl here and it'd be rude ;)
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Post Post #867 (isolation #187) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:58 am

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how was that a fucking scumslip?
they'd there obviously refers to the actual PR person... clutching at straws now aren't you
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Post Post #868 (isolation #188) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:59 am

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In post 866, TheIrishPope wrote:goodmorning, Derivan, ryhx, I BEG OF YOU
Or please, Guyett, self hammer, please
In post 24, Cabd wrote:Oh, and the rest of you newbies. One thing that was in the links but I feel it's wise to re-iterate.
Never EVER EVER self-hammer.
No matter how much you want to "show us all" it's against your win condition. It has a few niche valuable uses as scum, but if you do it as town, you're essentially claiming scum.
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Post Post #870 (isolation #189) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:02 am

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Actually I've seen a power in another game that allows 1 person to lynch someone else...
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Post Post #874 (isolation #190) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:10 am

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what does no intent out on your head mean?
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Post Post #877 (isolation #191) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:15 am

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GM has a thing about your slot and I don't expect her to move from it anytime soon.
since when has experience anything to do with me being scum?
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Post Post #881 (isolation #192) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:19 am

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yes gar you should hammer... unvote me and vote TIP pls
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Post Post #883 (isolation #193) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:23 am

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In post 872, TheIrishPope wrote:You are probably thinking of Kingmaker. Guess what. There is no role that allows that in this setup. And now you continue to derail from the subject. This is confirmed scum, guys. Lynch him, and if he doesn't flip scum, I will literally run around MIT (where I am working at the moment) wearing nothing but a pair of shoes and scissors.
If I turn out to be scum I'll hop on the train to belfast and run around the titanic museum in the nip
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Post Post #888 (isolation #194) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:18 am

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I've to go out soon and I mightn't be back before the deadline :(
I really wanted to be around for the flip
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Post Post #894 (isolation #195) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:37 am

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I hope you make the right decision and lynch TIP. I know I made a mistake with the drunkhammer but it was that... a mistake not a scum slip.
By all means continue discussions... make sure to discuss how to deal with Day 3 when there is 3 town and 2 scum and you are in lylo.
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Post Post #896 (isolation #196) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:44 am

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nope, that was purely for people to look back on
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Post Post #897 (isolation #197) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:54 am

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In post 847, TheIrishPope wrote:Guyett: Scum. This guy started throwing shit at me the second I raised suspicion on his slot.
ryhx: Town. Newbscum would have hammered someone and tried to escape it next day. He is playing logically.
Derivan: Null. HIS CLAIM MEANS NOTHING. Which begs the question: why would a BP claim D1?
TheGarantula: Null. Had a decent case on him when he had to Town it up for himself.
JasonWazza: I don't want to be too quick to call him Town, but he is Null-leaning Town right now.
TheIrishPope: Me!
goodmorning: Wait, who's goodmorning?

anything more indepth to add?

also regarding your read on me there
OMGUS is a nulltell. Scum gets angry and ragey; Town gets upset and heartbroken and sad.
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Post Post #899 (isolation #198) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:56 am

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Also would you point out the post where I started throwing shit at you and the post where you raised suspicion at my slot.... because from where I'm sitting it looks like your vote was OMGUS
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Post Post #900 (isolation #199) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:57 am

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In post 898, TheGarantula wrote:Derivan I think the case is much stronger on Guyett than anything on goodmorning.
your case on me is the drunkhammer (which was bad) and a load of circumstancial stuff.... how is that a strong case? could you have a look at TIP or are you too concentrated on me?
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