/ConfirmIn post 51, Cabd wrote:I suppose you'll have to wait until they show up, now won't you?
All in good time, I assure you.
Because as I stated in my post, you have voted for the two players (with an early bandwagon switch) who have posted the most and appear to be strong players.In post 58, JasonWazza wrote:So wait your reason for voting me is because........ i voted someone who you have a problem with as well?
What is your reason?
~~NS Getting defensive and not actively scumhunting, check. Why so mad? My logic on voting for you is based on your shaky grounds BW vote swap, not based on a joke you made. I already explained that I thought the joke was a scummy move, but not enough so to warrant a vote. You still haven't explained why you think Cabd was not making a joke, tell us more.In post 80, JasonWazza wrote:SO HOW THE FUCK AM I SCUM AGAIN?
Guyett, what are your ideas and reasons? And same question to you that I posed to Jason above. Why do you think it was not a joke?In post 79, Guyett wrote:I have a few ideas at who I want to vote for and currently as I have already stated Cabd is the most suspicious to me but I expect that might change over the next while.
I have explained the logic (Multiple RVS votes, even if it may be flawed) for my vote, still waiting on some semi-serious explanations for multiple votes other than RVS.In post 81, TheGarantula wrote:Explain what differentiates their accusations from yours.
~~NS Yes and until you expand on post #149 or otherwise provide some content.In post 178, bestwillcui wrote:I'm lurking?
Continued discussion is pro-town. Asking if it is time to hammer is suspicious especially since we still haven't even heard from Darq (or Darq's replacement) at all. Your last couple of posts definitely have me concerned. You can't bounce back and forth between "I don't know any better" and "Only those who know better will understand my advanced scum hunting moves" and not expect to be called out for it. It looks wishy-washy or poorly played at best.In post 196, Guyett wrote:I don't really understand? I just asked if it was time for a hammer soon? How exactly does that make me scum aligned? I'm quite sure Best is scum and I'm quite positive I'm town aligned... however if you need proof by all means lynch me.
I would however refer people to post 183
In post 345, goodmorning wrote:I keep rereading the last few posts but none of them make sense.
Standard no proof accusation filler post, check.In post 351, Fegelein wrote:You guys seriously need to look at how opportunistic Dev is.
Honestly, I have no idea what's going on with Guyett and Cabd. I'd rather Cabd than Guy because Guy townslipped earlier on, and it's based on gut.
I called him out for wishy-washy play and how asking about hammering looked bad. I think he has made some very poor plays, but could not find a scum motivation in his moves after re-reading him. I still don't think he is scum at the moment, but with his poor play/confusing moves I moved him down to a null read in Post 414.In post 422, ryhx wrote:Quick notes on derivan:
His jump on cabd seemed sudden and quick and it felt like hes jumping in, in protection of guyett. Now that he's caught flack he's reversed his reads.
Also its rather funny that he should jump in and declare cabd's stalling and is scum when we've also been waiting for derivan's promised reads since several days ago.
Interesting. At the very beginning of the game you gave me a slight scum read for the RVS logic, the in post 271 you moved me to null. In post 358 you again gave me a null read. Now you have reversed your read and have me down as scum. To quote you:In post 418, Guyett wrote:Ok Cabd I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for the time being. There's a lot of good logical points raised
UNVOTE: cabd
I'll need to think on stuff but I'd be leaning towards Best or Deri for now.
@Guyett
Conclusion: best has provided little content and given scant reasoning for his moves. Since this is a newb game that could point in either direction. He could be a fool or 'playing the fool'. I am willing to take the risk at this point vs. having a no-lynch. best is not my scummiest read, but is certainly the worst player.In post 433, TheGarantula wrote:I don't really think that was a PR slip, it seemed more like a newbie who's close to being lynched flailing about.
@CabdIn post 489, Cabd wrote:If best flips town, deri is pretty much confoscum, IMO.
In post 524, ryhx wrote:Feg: null read, needs investigating.Agreed.
GM: convenient timing coming in after the hammer. Content has been rather lackluster as we neared deadline and never did posts those reads.Agreed. GM is currently my scummiest read for reasons I will explain in my ISO. I will post that tomorrow since it is not possible for me to be NK'd tonight.
Cabd: crazy spam posting. really jumped into town mode.Or wants to look town. Interesting time to start contributing.
Jason: Depends on bests flip. If best is scum, I don't think so because that would have been one heck of a bus. If best is town, definitely on the scum side. he's been on bests case forever.Agreed.
Gar: town. so town.Concur.
Deri: I think what i posted (from him) was a town slip and i'll wait and see what comes from his role claim.
Guyett: Scummy, scummy if best is town. His drunk posting is coherent and seems to understand whats going on but i will let him defend himself when he's less drunk.Agreed.
His story is plausible though, here is my read list.In post 564, TheGarantula wrote:What I find strange is that he says to policy lynch him multiple times but then switches to "jk plz don't" once people express suspicion of him.In post 561, ryhx wrote:Guyett's matyr 'deserved to be lynched, please lynch me' shtick is kind of bugging me.
@JWIn post 571, JasonWazza wrote: Question, is it not possible she is town make a case as to why best was town?
Oh the move was very clear. Clearly scummy when read in conjunction with your shady out of the blue vote deal with your scummiest read.In post 568, goodmorning wrote:And my vote move became un-temporary when I changed my mind on Cabd. I apologise if that didn't become clear to you.
Interesting that you keep reminding us of that. AND IN ALL CAPS NO LESS!In post 568, goodmorning wrote:
Of course I recognized best would probably flip town, HE FUCKING PR SLIPPED IN THE MOST BLATANT WAY POSSIBLE
What is the hold up? Or is this along the lines of your broken read list promises.In post 568, goodmorning wrote: I want Klick to talk, then I shall tell you how I feel about the Feg slot once and for all.
Also from Rhyx.In post 572, Derivan wrote:I'd like to hear other thoughts from Gar.
You didn't repeatedly promise one, so to me it doesn't appear that you are stalling. I still have a null read on you though for other reasons.JasonWazza wrote:Deri, i haven't posted a single reads list, does that make me scum?
@GMgoodmorning wrote:Side note that rankles rather a lot: If you're going to treat readslists as the be-all, end-all of Mafia games, I'd like to put this out there: you're gonna have a bad time.
Bus time eh?In post 631, goodmorning wrote:I must say I somewhat prefer the Klick wagon to the Guyett one, and greatly prefer it to the mysterious wagon on myself.
In fact,
Vote: Klick
L-1.
@GMIn post 634, JasonWazza wrote:Then case on Feg?
@JWJasonWazza wrote:This has got to be the worst Counter Wagon i have ever seen.
Reasoning behind the wagon: Someone flaked losing us a fair amount of time, BUT THEY FLAKED REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT.
Whereas, Guyett has a real reason to be a wagon.
Stall. Check.goodmorning wrote:Not tonight, but yes.In post 634, JasonWazza wrote:Then case on Feg?
Yet you attempted a vote deal with him day 1.goodmorning wrote:Deri, please get the fuck off your high fucking "ooh, I'm an un-cc'd PR" horse and try reading the actual game. I've had a scumread on that slot since Day 1. Not my fault nobody wanted to lynch it til now.In post 637, Derivan wrote:Bus time eh?
goodmorning wrote: PEDIT: I WILL REPEAT THAT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KLICK FLAKING
AT ALL
FUCKING READ, YOU ARE CONFTOWN
CONFTOWN NOT READING COSTS TOWN THE GAME
So which is it?In post 431, goodmorning wrote: The sole reservation I would have on Deri is that he seems to be reading the game more closely than anyone else, but that could come from either side.
) before hearing from them.You first?JasonWazza wrote:LRN2READ CONTEXTIn post 638, Derivan wrote:@JWJasonWazza wrote:This has got to be the worst Counter Wagon i have ever seen.
Reasoning behind the wagon: Someone flaked losing us a fair amount of time, BUT THEY FLAKED REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT.
Whereas, Guyett has a real reason to be a wagon.
Why do you think GM is not a good wagon?
I was saying Klick is not a good wagon.
And to L-1 with you, lets hear some cases.
My reads haven't changed. The mafia have done a good job at muddying the waters here and we need to take the remaining time to break down each of the cases and look at the voting records. I ask everyone to take a fresh look at the thread (looking at D1 ISOs helps to save time) and post their final read lists and thoughts.In post 771, TheGarantula wrote: @Derivan: Have your reads changed? What do you think of lynching Guyett? I'm fairly certain there isn't going to be a CC at this point so your input as confirmed town is valuable.
But if Feg had claimed anything other than VT it certainly would have mattered since one of you would have lied in that case. I really don't like your "It doesn't matter now" argument here.In post 775, TheIrishPope wrote:I saw my predecessor was in a tough spot, so I claimed in case he had not. In any case, it mattered little.
If you were VT it wouldn't matter if Klick had role claimed or not since a VT role claim does not help the town. My question is: if Klick had claimed something other than VT why would you expose yourself to that risk before reading the thread?In post 649, TheIrishPope wrote:hello to the people, skimming today and reading tomorrow
Apparently I'm in a bad position, so if Klick didn't claim, I'm claiming: VT
JW your math here is atrocious. The setup is a 3x3 matrix which gives us 6 possible outcomes. I claimed BP prior to best being revealed as TT. Therefor:In post 828, JasonWazza wrote: I would personally, Fake Claim a BP if i was scum for one good reason.
1/2 chance, that there's a tracker.
If i'm wrong in a claim, i pull out any of the following into claiming {Cop, Doctor, Jailkeeper}
THERE IS NO ACTUAL LOSS GIVEN THE SCUMS KNOWLEDGE TO CLAIM A BULLETPROOF.
@TIPTheIrishPope wrote:I was hoping you'd bring that up. That raised my suspicion even more. Scum could have even guessed which role was active through rolefishing. 780 confirms this. Derivan might seem confirmed Town to you, but to me, he is nothing.
Interesting how GM quickly jumped from:In post 873, goodmorning wrote:If the claim was Doc rather than BP and from a particular player I think I'd believe it over Deri's. Not sharing which as that would be more helpful to Scum that anything.In post 849, ryhx wrote:But unless someone counter claims, Deri is believable. If someone counter-claims, well at this late stage I'll probably still believe Deri over a counter claimer. It would be some lucky odds for Deri to have guessed right.
It's pretty obvious you haven't even read the thread.In post 847, TheIrishPope wrote:Guyett: Scum. This guy started throwing shit at me the second I raised suspicion on his slot.
ryhx: Town. Newbscum would have hammered someone and tried to escape it next day. He is playing logically.
Derivan: Null. HIS CLAIM MEANS NOTHING. Which begs the question: why would a BP claim D1?
TheGarantula: Null. Had a decent case on him when he had to Town it up for himself.
JasonWazza: I don't want to be too quick to call him Town, but he is Null-leaning Town right now.
TheIrishPope: Me!
goodmorning: Wait, who's goodmorning?
Seriously?TheIrishPope wrote:What's the difference between hammering now and in 17 hours?
1. There is no likely confTown, there is confTown and not confTown explain how someone can be confirmed, but not confirmed. Completely illogical. What you are saying is that you believe I am scum (on shaky grounds), but the probability of me being town is very high until there is a cc.In post 913, goodmorning wrote:1. You are an un-cc'd pr. That makes you likely confTown. I would really like it if you weren't that PR, because you being Scum would explain why your posts are so scummy.In post 890, Derivan wrote:Interesting how GM quickly jumped from:
1. Buddying (stating I am in all likelyhood CONFTOWN even though "she would really like me not to be")
2. Setting me up for a lynch tomorrow (see above).
2. If you think I'm setting you up for a lynch tomorrow you may want to glance over TIP's posts.
3. The only way I'm setting you up for a lynch tomorrow is if we lynch Town today and if you then get cc'd. Are you saying you have knowledge that Guyett is Town?
@Mod: I don't think they wereserious...
Would like to hear more from TIP and JW.TheGarantula wrote:If Guyett is gone, what else is there to discuss?
The fuck are you talking about man? Your play was shit the entire game. Drunk hammer? Seriously? And the whole back and forth with TIP which just muddled the water. Explain how my moves were "so scummy" again?In post 965, Guyett wrote:TBF Deri was acting so scummy Gm had no problem jumping on that wagon, you can see that prediction in the dead quicktopic thread lol
I got lynched based on a Counter-claim on day 3, whereas you got lynched based on your play alone.In post 984, Guyett wrote:Ah its nothing mate.. Just that the town had no problem throwing you under the bus on D3. I think if you were more pro town you could have got Jason lynched instead. It wouldn't have mattered as i think rhyx was too well hidden
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