Newbie 1391 - Game Over - FINALLY!!!

[Gen_Wolf]

vote: Feel It

Sounds like you asking me to touch your phallic!

[Gen_Wolf]

Vote: Miss Stranger

Editing posts, something to hide in RVS stage already??

[Gen_Wolf]

Why bother with day 1. Lets just lynch Miss Stranger now and go from there? We are already onto our first scum.

[Gen_Wolf]

Why bother with day 1. Lets just lynch Miss Stranger now and go from there? We are already onto our first scum.

Yeah...um...no.

I hope you realize I wasn't being serious?

I don't see how changing votes in RVS is scummy in any way. Ignoring my obvious joke vote on Gen_Wolf, I simply voted Antagon for starting a wagon on someone who's afk. I don't see how a wagon on an afk person would make them less afk. Game's just started. Sheesh.

And yes, I simply forgot to add my VOTE: tag in my previous post. I thought I could edit instead of doublepost, but apparently I can't. Apologies, rookie mistake. But tell me, Gen_Wolf, what could I possibly hide in my single, straightforward sentence that I would want to edit away? Just asking for your opinion as to why you think is scummy.

Feel It, same question to you. What's exactly wrong with changing an obvious joke vote, during RVS at that, that would make YOU switch vote?

Its a reaction test and it also allows RVS to come to an end. I don't like RVS, the longer it lasts the more crap that gets posted then it gets over analysed. By me changing my vote so early and raising an issue over something as stupid as you editing it allows for you to answer to it and it also gets the game out of RVS by creating suspicions such as the ones we have now.

Why bother with day 1. Lets just lynch Miss Stranger now and go from there? We are already onto our first scum.

Lynching anybody this early would be silly, we need to poke and prod and talk and get reactions, see who seems scummiest before making a decision. Not sure if I should give you benefit of the doubt due to your newness or change my vote now tbh.

Feel it, thank you for the explanation I do understand. I did not really intend to lynch Miss Stranger this early. Firstly, I did it for the reaction to see how she responded. Secondly, I did it to end RVS which I think I achieved.

VOTE: UNVOTE

I suppose you're right. While your behavior and reaction was odd, it's not as alarming as Gene_Wolf suggesting to lynch you already.

Answered above. Don't want to lynch her.

[Gen_Wolf]

She's fine at L-2.

Antagon is probably Town.

Agreed, Miss Strangers' wish to edit posts, changing votes on a joke bw could be newness or perhaps an early scumtell?

Her wish to edit posts is probably based on the site she comes from which allows that sort of thing.
Changing votes from a joke bandwagon to a serious one is always a good move.

No point in making specific thoughts on comments made at this stage as most will say it was a joke. Best to include it with anything later when it truly begins to matter.

Why are you so worried with how others will perceive you? If it's not a joke, then it will help us get into that stage where things WILL start to matter.

Vote: Generic

I never said I was worried with how people perceive me? I explained why I did it. Why you putting words in my mouth?

[Gen_Wolf]

I never said I was worried with how people perceive me? I explained why I did it. Why you putting words in my mouth?

Are you a Generic alt?

No sorry, I saw Gen and assumed it was Gen. Wolf. Didn't realise there was another Gen in terms of Generic playing.

VOTE: Gen_Wolf

I'm not satisfied with his explanation that he wasn't serious, it was an odd and anti-town comment. I looked at some of his other games and I didn't seem him act like that.

If you are not satisfied with the explanation then that means if I hadn't done that RVS would have been longer, would you have liked RVS to be longer? Plus you have given quite a nice reaction to a reaction test.

Lots of activity to wake up to was very nice.

Why bother with day 1. Lets just lynch Miss Stranger now and go from there? We are already onto our first scum.

I thoroughly enjoyed this post because it clearly articulated what I was thinking when I read the exchange between Feel It and Fegelein and was laced with the amount of sarcasm it deserved. And it lead into some interesting responses from Feel It:

Thank you, finally someone appreciating my post. I have to agree, from the reactions it got I would have to place Feel It as my top scum candidate. This based on his extreme focus on this one post which clearly has been shown as a joke and secondly from his pure lack of involvment in other areas of the game. Almost as if he is avoiding the game because he has something to hide.

Yeah, I changed my vote later because I didn't realize at the time he is an SE. I find it interesting that you described myself as opportunistic when I've put pressure and ask questions of suspicious behavior, I'm hardly trying to force a lynch already like Gen_Wolf suggested.

(snip)

I think Miss Stranger is leaning town. No I'm not trying to get you to lynch Gen_Wolf he just gets my vote because he seems the most suspicious (which at this point isn't much)

(snip)

Why does being an SE change the fact about the post Feel It? How does that change the game so much that now it is necessary to subject me to your vote?

Miss Stranger has said that one of the two of us are scum, in her opinion and after that post you have now gone and buddied up to her? Hmmm scum much?

[Gen_Wolf]

Are you serious? I'm one the more involved posters so far, and retorting my scum claim with an accusation against me only makes you look even worse, look how quickly and desperate you latched on to champinoman backing you up before you accuse me of buddying.

Yes I am very serious. Just because you have more posts does not make you more involved. It could just mean your posting more fluff. And yes, why thank you for making me look good as I did not latch on to Champinoman, he agreed with my post and liked it. Is that a scum tell now?

@Feel It: Please show me where I have "desperately latched on to champinoman"?

[Gen_Wolf]

Explain yourself, what have I not been involved in, show me what fluff I've posted. No, it's not necessarily a scumtell but you accused me of buddying when you quickly did the same.

Yes, and I am asking you to show me that exact point where I 'buddied' champ?

[Gen_Wolf]

Thank you, finally someone appreciating my post. I have to agree, from the reactions it got I would have to place Feel It as my top scum candidate. This based on his extreme focus on this one post which clearly has been shown as a joke and secondly from his pure lack of involvment in other areas of the game. Almost as if he is avoiding the game because he has something to hide.

Jumped to the first person who gave you any backing. Do you have any evidence of your other accusations?

I would say jump to is a bit harsh. I said he appreciated my post? You are trying to make something appear that is not quite there.

Feel It

, you are contributing and I wholeheartedly agree that

Gen_Wolf

is scummy. You are totally right about him. All that makes me uncomfortable was that first you blatantly accused me of hopping, and then it's like it never happened. See, like this:

Feel It: Changing your vote so much? I'm changing mine on you.
Gen_Wolf: You want to edit your posts? Changing votes? Lynch.
Fegel: She's fine with 3 votes.
Gen_Wolf: No, she's scum. Lynch her now and don't bother with D1, we'll have one less scum on D2.
Fegel: No.
Me: I didn't change votes, first one was totally random. I didn't scumslip, I just didn't want to doublepost.
Feel It: Miss, that's reasonable. I'm unvoting. OMG Gen_Wolf, you basically claimed mafia.

See what I mean? If I got lynched, you'd both look bad for pushing me for no real reason. Now if

Gen_Wolf

gets lynched as town, everyone would just know he was scummy as hell and you,

Feel It

, would pass under the radar. That's not to say I'm sure you're scum, hell

Gen_Wolf

IS painfully scummy, but you still definitely are on my suspect list should he flip town.

Other than my post on your Miss Stranger, what else do you have?

In post 54, Gen_Wolf wrote:
In post 46, Feel It wrote:
VOTE: Gen_Wolf

I'm not satisfied with his explanation that he wasn't serious, it was an odd and anti-town comment. I looked at some of his other games and I didn't seem him act like that.


If you are not satisfied with the explanation then that means if I hadn't done that RVS would have been longer, would you have liked RVS to be longer? Plus you have given quite a nice reaction to a reaction test.
Define nice. And what was the reaction test? Was I supposed to look like a panicked scum if I were scum, or was the scum supposed to take your words literally that you actually want to lynch me before half the players have posted, and use them to make you look scummy, which is what Feel It did?

I took this one out out your monster post Miss Stranger. No, that was not the intention. The name is quite straight forward, it is a reaction test to see how people react. Whether they vote for you or shy away from you or whether they ignore it all together. Its to see someones reaction?

[Gen_Wolf]

Feg, I'm trying to be a bit more cautious this time because the last game i played I jumped the gun on a lynch that costed me the game >_> (was town that game btw) and I don't have solid reads on anyone but the questions was merely out of curiosity to see their reasoning. Better to survey the area from afar (well for me at least since I am trying to stop jumping the bullet for long phases like this :/ Use to playing 48-96 hour day phases and it requires a bit of on your feet kind of thing...)

Mr May, why do you feel the need to express you were townie in that game, in particular. Surely, it is irrelevant? Yet you still need to mention it?

Oh, there was more. On feel it:
"Do you get town vibes because you both find the same person scummy? What scum vibes do you get?"

Feel it has been showing early signs of gentle pressure application although some of it has been misguided, and also thinking about the vote.
His scum plays included hesitancy on the gen wolf vote when he wasnt so hesitant in miss stranger, and a couple of occasions where he has done something without explanation only to fill in the gap later when someone questions it (can be a scum tell as he uses the time to make the reason fit the agenda or mood). But the explanations that have been forthcoming have made a lot of sense. He is more town than scum to me at this stage.


And on gen wolf:
"Push it back in how?"
I LOLed... But moving in from the question looking odd in isolation, this was referring to my comment about gen wolf and RVS. He makes a comment that his desire to quicklynch on page one of day 1 was because he hates RVS and wanted to end it early. But he also said it was a joke. And he also said it was a reaction test. And he also said it was the secret password to the land of narnia... Ok, I added the last one.
But my point was, antagon had hit a serious vote down and the paranoia stage that always follows RVS was in full swing when gen wolf pops up with what he says was a joke (outside RVS) to END RVS. If anything joking when it's already ended is trying to return to RVS. So he is either lying about it bring a joke or that it was to end RVS. The reaction test comment is a cheap trick to cover scummy play by saying you wanted to provoke a reaction with a provocative comment.


"Yes, he's scummy. What do you think it would happen if he flips scum, and what if he flips town?"

Don't quite see the relevance if this question at this stage. I will answer this as the game progresses if gen wolf enters L-1 territory. Right now everyone should be looking at identifying a top three suspects list. Don't clear anybody and guaranteed town, the ones slipping up on their words occasionally are more likely town than the completely clean players.
Townies don't vet their posts, scum do more often than not. So a town player won't realise or care to notice if a comment seems scummy, a mafia player will ensure every comment has purpose.

But what do I know, I'm a n00b

Ah, well I offered an explanation for why I did it and it is up to the players to believe it or not. Clearly, a lot think it is a load of BS. When I do flip town however, I highly doubt Feel It would be scum. I don't think he would be stupid enough to stick his neck out that far so early on. I wouldn't if I was playing scum but this becomes WIFOM. Anyways, as a reaction test it certainly got a lot of reactions.

The only thing I ask that as townie players please do not lynch me anytime soon. We have 12 days to lynch someone. Within those 12 days if you still feel the need to lynch me that is mellow but at least take the other 12 days for scum to talk there way into trouble.

@Miss Stranger

- You asked how you and Feg reacted to this reaction test.
Feg barely reacted. Just said no lassing it and carrying on with the game.
You on the other hand Miss Stranger didn't react at all as you didn't post about it until post 49. Before post 49 and after the lets lynch her post, you posted 3 times yet failed to mention it at all, but then all of a sudden a few other players had mentioned it and Nacho had had his say then you ask a question, which had already been answered.

@Miss Stranger, firstly why did you take 3 posts before you asked me a question about this "reaction test" and why did you ask a question that had already been answered? Making yourself look busy?

@mod: Will have limited access till Saturday, if thats ok please, have my final exam on Thursday and driving home on Friday. Will be on the forums and will follow the game but posting will be limited

Noted, thanks!

-Vel

[Gen_Wolf]

I'm waiting for the guy to drop off my notes so might as well use the time wisely. I am in the process of going through everyones ISO.

Antagon

- Only posted 5 times. He is very good at making himself look busy but is just asking questions. Feel it called him out for active lurking already and nothing has changed since then. I agree with Feel It that anta is active lurking and needs to become more active.

Champ

- Again, few posts however when he does post he gives good content and it seems that he is following the game and calling people out when necessary.

Feel it

- Firstly, he heavily criticised my post about lynching Miss Stranger. He has the right to do so the only thing that makes me wonder about it is, firstly, I know i'm town thus it frustrates me. Secondly, the hesitation he showed when laying down his vote on me. Took him 4 and a half hours to finally switch votes. Almost as if he was waiting to see if it was ok for him to put his vote on me. Feel it however does express his opinion, offers reasons to why he has certain views on people. Wasnt happy when he said I latched onto Champ when I didn't. Feel it seems like an emotional player that can easily get wound up and tunnel in. Like i said though, he is good at calling people out and very observant.

Fegelin

- 19 posts into the game and Antagon is already town? Really? Fuck you are good at reading town quickly. Mentioned a game where he played as town, I don't like it when people do that. Almost as if it is there way to insinuate they are really town. James May also did it in this game. He has had 9 posts and only one of them has made it over 1 sentence long. He is making himself look busy.

Generic

- Offers his opinions. Doesn't like quoting and questioning though, he did say this is his first game though. He offers in depth posts, clearly scum hunting and asking good questions. Obv Townie. (Thanks for the luck )

James May

-

I'm trying to be a bit more cautious this time

By Posting twice you are most definately being cautious. More like hiding away. You also mentioned that you have played townie before. You have done nothing to scum hunt and the contribution (if you can call 2 posts contribution) is dismal.

Miss Stranger

- She is very active but also seems like she is making herself busy. However a long with this she does make valid points at times but is also very quick to concede certain points. I get the impression she is new, and thus very timid making it easy to intimidate your opinion onto Miss Stranger. I might be completely wrong though but from her current play I cannot see her being scum. I do not, however, like this if Gen flips town then let vote Feel it business. It is a very easy way for scummy players to justify to lynches in succession and thus through a spanner in her town works just a bit. Ninja'd here. Post 22 however doesn't mention my post directly but rahter questions your mistake. Thus it took 3 posts for you to directly confront my post. I am not lying or putting words in your mouth, I am simply asking a question. However, your post reinforced my townish read on you, but again I don't like that fact that you bring up PR's? I never once insinuated I was a PR and I won't be as it is a detriment to town. If I am a PR I will claim when necessary, if I am not, then I will not. (Thank you for the luck) (I know it isnt personal, its just a game )

Nacho

- Very agressive. Constantly putting pressure on. He is also a very strong player and thus, it feels at times, he can bully his opinion onto some people. I do not like this part however:

In post 43, Fegelein wrote:
Newbie 1344, all he pretty much did is ask questions, flipped scum.

You see a similarity to my town play and my scum play in an old game.
You are currently voting someone random. Why aren't you voting me?

It is almost like a double bluff knowing the Feg wont. He is however asking a lot of questions and gives his thoughts now and then but they very standard straightforward, almost generic sayings. He says what people want to hear him say and gets away with it. Need to see a bit more depth from him.

Reads:
Town

Generic
Miss Stranger

Null

Anta (leaning scum)
Champ
Feel it (Leaning town)
Nacho

Scum

Fegelin
James May

[Gen_Wolf]

@Generic:

I am enjoying champinos über paranoia at anything said. You are one of the more experienced players aren't you?

I thought this was a newbie game, am I not meant to be imparting general wisdom as we go so newer players get better? Anyone auto clearing at this stage of a game is a fool, that was my essential point. I didn't think I had aimed that at anyone in particular, was just off on a little tangent. But hey, that's two goes you have had now to try and spin a case in me, will they all consist of you taking us on a little story as to what the hidden agenda was or will you occasionally point to actual scum tells rather than loose theory?

In the beginning Champ felt more of a townie to me, because it looked like he genuinely adressed different view points. It turns out he's actually digging into very isolated mentionings and not at the broader picture at all. Very selective scumhunting on Antagon's overlook, James's misread post, Generic's sleep patterns and a few other instances I already mentioned. Seems to get exsessively (gaaah, spelling?!) alarmed by "slips" and reacted violently when I poked his comments, which is something that just sits ill with me. On the other hand, he has a certain friction with more than half the village (Nacho, Generic, FI, Antagon, and lastly James and me), of which 4 people have been pressuring Gen_Wolf a lot. If Gen_Wolf turns out to be mafia, Champ is definitely next in line for me.

On the other hand, James and Antagon are simply enigmatic lurkers, so attacking them makes sense, though probably not for the reasons ("slips") he pointed. I really don't like this.

This is starting to bug me and I will finally say something. Miss Stranger, a lot of what you are saying is based on if's, and a lot of these 'if's' revolve around me. Firstly, IF Gen_Wolf is scum then Feel It is town and vice versa. Secondly, 'If' Gen is scum then Champ is next inline.

My grievances with this are, firstly, you are already playing Day 2. You are so sure that I am going to flip scum that when I don't you are going to be taking two steps back and thus not only would you have wasted day 1 but you will be spending day 2 starting a fresh. I am not saying that voting me is wrong, if you feel I am the most scummiest of players then please lay your vote down on me. However, what I do ask is stop making assumptions based on me being scum because I can promise you it is wrong and it will be a detriment to town inevitably. Thus, all I ask is play the game now for Day 1. If I do get voted off, then start making your decisions based on solid facts because you will know my alignment and thus there will be no need to speculate.

[Gen_Wolf]

Hi All, Just a quick contribution from what I have read over. From what I can see the game is still focused heavily on that one post of mine. Classic. I was a bit weary of Champ buddying up a bit but reading over it again, like it has been mentioned, it is not as much buddying up as he is asking a simple question, which I obviously agree with his opinion on.

Taken from one of MS's wall of posts:

He finds pretty much everyone scummy which is little better than blind shooting and relying on mathematical odds when it comes to a lynch.

Surely this is a good thing? If he trusts no one it would indicate that he is swaying towards town than scum.

Taken from one of MS's wall of posts:

Gen_Wolf (SE): my "favourite player" to discuss

Ah, don't flatter me

In post 100, Gen_Wolf wrote:
The only thing I ask that as townie players please do not lynch me anytime soon. We have 12 days to lynch someone. Within those 12 days if you still feel the need to lynch me that is mellow but at least take the other 12 days for scum to talk there way into trouble.

There's no reason to get fatalistic 4 pages into the game. What do you think of the case against you?

I think to center a game around this one post, made on day 1 is silly. I don't feel that there is much of a case against me but rather a few opportunists. They speak of how I didn't respond well under pressure yet I was frustrated by how they failed to see the joke in it all. Simple logic denotes that you do not lynch someone 2 pages in. Now, it is not the type of environment to say it in but I would feel saying it on page 1 would create the benefit of the doubt.

Sorry, that is all for now. Will be back on the weekend

[Gen_Wolf]

I shall hold off my vote on antagon since he is at L-2. Does he want to claim at this stage cos my vote is currently earmarked for him.

Quite early at this stage to claim. But I see since then you have put him at L-1

Hmmm, well neither of them are voting on a bandwagon, Antagon is voting James May alone and Nacho is still voting Gen_wolf. I can't tell if they're busy or just not interested in the game. Not to put on panic mode, but time is getting short now and we'll have to make a decision on who to lynch pretty soon.

I am just busy and then when I had time the site had crashed so I am managing to get my post in now. My quote function isn't working properly so will have to do it manually. Will just make reference to the post.

Post #173:

OK, Feel It is leaning Town atm, I like his case against Gen_Wolf, although his tone fluctuates from slightly callous to cheery and merry, which is a little inconsistent. His motives are pretty Towny too,

backseat scumhunting a little now, but justifiable by the fact that he has a solid scumread on Gen_Wolf.

The bolded part - this is an issue though seeing as I am not scum, thus it is not justified.

I feel Antagon is town, I do not see the case on him being valid. Thus if I had to hammer it would not be him. I also see Nacho is at L-1 and I would hammer him over Anta, I do however think fegelin is scum, I don't like his play and considering we have 5 days left there is no need to rush.

Unvote

Vote: Fegelin

[Gen_Wolf]

Oaks, will do a catch up post now will be up in a few hours

[Gen_Wolf]

sorry,was slack end of day 1. Got plenty of time now. I was completely wrong about Anta so good job on that.

Any chance scum didnt NK on purpose as make sure it could not be linked to the scum team or is that unlikely?

[Gen_Wolf]

just to confirm chkflip replaced feg hey? We have a lynch or two to mess around with so I am happy with a Feg (now chck?) or feel it? The self vote does give town vibes but could just be a double bluff

[Gen_Wolf]

I want to vote chkflip just giving them the courtesy to post. Also want to see what he has to say before i do.

[Gen_Wolf]

vote chkflp

[Gen_Wolf]

i believe that is L-1

[Gen_Wolf]

Scum are obvz no lynching at night so lets no lynch during the day until they make a NK so we can get some info?

[Gen_Wolf]

Was an idea.

Two reasons there are no nk's

A PR has blocked it twice

Or

You oaks are so far off who scum actually are they just not killing because your doing the work for them.

[Gen_Wolf]

Was an idea.

Two reasons there are no nk's

A PR has blocked it twice

Or

You oaks are so far off

who scum actually are they just not killing because your doing the work for them.

Or 1 NK and a PR block.
Or 2 seperate PR's getting lucky.

So even after prompting you're still getting this wrong.

And can you please explain the underlined section. I know it's a typo but it sounds like you are talking to town from the view of an outsider. And don't forget you had a vote on chkflip too so don't sit here blaming others.

I was giving scenario's for my idea, thus I was speaking from a third person perspective. Alright well my idea isnt going to happen so lets just keep lynchimg then.

[Gen_Wolf]

You ouens are throbbing this game now. You have 12 days to make a decision. That is 12 days of discussion that would have to occur and that is another 12 days of information that will be forfeited by lynching me. If in 12 days time after multiple discussions you still feel the need to lynch me then please do but please just utilize a few more days for information purposes.

Anyways, I claim Vanilla Townie.

My views are I feel scum is a more experienced player. Keeping a low profile and not NK'ing rather than a PR blocking. I would start off at Feel It, just because he has been suspicious from the outset. Even though I am pretty sure he will flip town. If I had it my way I would probably look at Nachomamma and Champs. There contributions don't seem very town orientated but that is my opinion and I hope you at least consider them.

To be honest I trust no one in this game (Duh it is the game) but I would say of anyone Miss Stranger can be guaranteed townie. Other townies if you have to follow anyone into the dark I would suggest follow Miss Stranger

Anyways, please just consider lynching me so early. I don't mind being lynched in 4 - 12 days (I do mind but you know what I mean) but please rather use the time constructively.

[Gen_Wolf]

Thanks Stranger.

Honestly, I obviously want town to win. However, if it came to it and after some discussion people are unsure I would rather have them lynch me than potentially expose a PR or what not. I'll take a bullet for the team in that regard but I just encourage everyone to use the time we have.

Miss Stranger said:

Here is who I think is probably not mafia:
- Feel It was the second person to vote Antagon and he remained solid on his wagon.
- Nachomamma was hopped onto by Antagon in hopes of mislynch.
- Stubbs is generally feeling town, also third person to vote Antagon and gain momentum on his wagon.
- Generic's hammer was very town.

Firstly, whether a person was first on the wagon or hammered to deduce someone is more scummy or less scummy by their position is poor logic especially from you Miss Stranger. Yes the later on the more likely they are scum but anyone on the wagon can be scum and thus I disagree with your reasoning on Feel It. Also throws out your argument on Stubbs. Scum could have seen there partner flailing and bussed them. Same goes for Generic.

The only conclusive evidence in that post I would say is Antagon hopping onto Nacho. However, I still feel Nacho is scummy and thus it could be a ploy but I think your logic in that post was very poor.

[Gen_Wolf]

I feel scum is somewhere in nacho champs or stubbs

[Gen_Wolf]

@champinoman: It was what I thought he would claim which is okay. He seems the most scummy to me based on his generally posting, he likes to disappear as long as there is no pressure on him, and he has the most links to Antagon after chkflip. If he is town... well I haven't got much else because him, Antagon and ckflip were the scummy players to me. Based on a gut feeling I'd say Stubbs.

@gen_wolf: You need to give us more than that, which one is the most scummy, and why? Give a case.

I think all three are scummy. For the amount they contribute to the amount they dictate it doesn't add up. Nacho I feel everyone gives him this status of god and an amazing mafia player, which I am not questioning, thus I feel he can get away with a lot more than others. I would start with him in this instance.

[Gen_Wolf]

ive changed my mind

vote stubbs

this looks very much an omgus vote but it isnt. His 'connecting the dots' are very far fetched. Anta would not have been dumb enough to call his scum buddy the only town read he had. He was obvz trying to buddy me. If you guysstill feel I am scum vote me but when I flip town and I promise I will please lynch stubbs

[Gen_Wolf]

and when i flip town, then who?