Newbie 1391 - Game Over - FINALLY!!!

[James May]

I'll get onto my reads, I had a full post written up but then I had pressed the post preview, server timed out and my post vanished -_-

Anyhow questions:

Fegelin: Why would you be suspicious of nacho asking questions? It's highly encouraged at this phase to suck the living information out of people.

Generic & Feel It: I want to know why you think that Champin & Gen Wolf are buddying/white knighting. Please enlighten me with quotes on the reasons supporting it.

unrelated to the questionings: nice sarcastic remark on lynching Ms. Stranger gen wolf huehue.

Will rewrite my reads later when I have more time @_@

[James May]

Feg, I'm trying to be a bit more cautious this time because the last game i played I jumped the gun on a lynch that costed me the game >_> (was town that game btw) and I don't have solid reads on anyone but the questions was merely out of curiosity to see their reasoning. Better to survey the area from afar (well for me at least since I am trying to stop jumping the bullet for long phases like this :/ Use to playing 48-96 hour day phases and it requires a bit of on your feet kind of thing...)

[James May]

Guess I can give out my reads on those who I have a slight feeling on, skimming through this because I have finals on two of my classes this week so I do apologize for not being active.

Miss Stranger: Aside from that minor derp up on the editing part, it seems like your leaning towards town atm, but I feel like you're being insistent on starting a wagon on gen wolf (although I may not be as experienced in this sort of scumreading/hunting as most people here) but we'll see how gen wolf goes on from this point.

Nacho: Aside from the "backseat scumhunting" that Fegelin pointed out, I can't point out exactly where to place you in atm, leaning slightly towards town maybe.

Generic: So far providing interesting analysis upon other players on his first few posts, it looks like he's town at the moment but who knows, he could be playing a good scum cover-up, we'll see how it goes from there, as I haven't seen how his playstyle is, might look into previous games to find a good meta on him unless if its his first.

Gen wolf: Heh. Nice sarcastic remark in regards to simply lynching Miss Stranger. Not sure where Feel It (Was it Feel It? Might need to look through it again, but I think it was Feel It. if not was was Feglin) is going on with champin "buddying" you just for the compliment on that remark but i see little to no association with buddying/white knighting involving with that little agreement.

Looking into more later/tomorrow, finals are being a pain like I said so gotta prep, prep, prep with finals at the end of this week. But, after finals I'll be more active than this.

[James May]

I can chalk up a James May and Nacho scum team here,

James for saying "I'm changing my playstyle because I screwed up last time" screams scum

, and Nacho's play correlates with his scum meta.

Uhhh...ok? Is it a crime to change playstyle because of bad town play previous game? I don't think so. And if that's really the only basis that you have then I'm sorry your read on me is invalid. Please try again Fegelein.

[James May]

@ Gen Wolf:

Feg, I'm trying to be a bit more cautious this time because the last game i played I jumped the gun on a lynch that costed me the game >_> (was town that game btw) and I don't have solid reads on anyone but the questions was merely out of curiosity to see their reasoning. Better to survey the area from afar (well for me at least since I am trying to stop jumping the bullet for long phases like this :/ Use to playing 48-96 hour day phases and it requires a bit of on your feet kind of thing...)

Mr May, why do you feel the need to express you were townie in that game, in particular. Surely, it is irrelevant? Yet you still need to mention it?

Well because most people would probably assume that I was scum at that game. Also, I've never rolled scum once through out my entire mafia/werewolf game and if you wish to see the games that I have played on the site that I come from then I am more than happy to post them here.

@Champin

Feg, I'm trying to be a bit more cautious this time because the last game i played I jumped the gun on a lynch

that costed me the game

>_> (was town that game btw) and I don't have solid reads on anyone but the questions was merely out of curiosity to see their reasoning. Better to survey the area from afar (well for me at least since I am trying to stop jumping the bullet for long phases like this :/ Use to playing 48-96 hour day phases and it requires a bit of on your feet kind of thing...)

*IF* you are town and you manage to either get yourself lynched or nightkilled wouldn't you prefer that you helped out before dying?

And the bolded part is interesting. You know that you, as a dead townie (in that game), still win if town wins right? This is a team game not a solo quest.

Please refer to Miss Stranger's post below

No. He said he was trigger happy and mislynched and lost the game. You read the entire post wrong.

Also, that mislynch that happened, on the next day phase I got insta'd & town lost the game. That's what I meant by costing me the game.


@Miss Stranger:

@James May:

Guess I can give out my reads on those who I have a slight feeling on, skimming through this because I have finals on two of my classes this week so I do apologize for not being active.

Good luck!

Miss Stranger: Aside from that minor derp up on the editing part, it seems like your leaning towards town atm, but I feel like you're being insistent on starting a wagon on gen wolf (although I may not be as experienced in this sort of scumreading/hunting as most people here) but we'll see how gen wolf goes on from this point.

Editing... oh, you too? -_- Aaaanyway. I'm actually not pushing for a wagon on Gen_Wolf, but acknowledging that one has formed (FI, Nacho and Generic). The reason I'm holding my vote back is because I

don't

want to vote Gen_Wolf just yet. He's now away which gives a good opportunity for Fegelein, Antagon and you to finally arrive on stage, and I also want to hear Champ's response.

Nacho: Aside from the "backseat scumhunting" that Fegelin pointed out, I can't point out exactly where to place you in atm, leaning slightly towards town maybe.

What do you think makes him town and what causes doubts?

Generic: So far providing interesting analysis upon other players on his first few posts, it looks like he's town at the moment but who knows, he could be playing a good scum cover-up, we'll see how it goes from there, as I haven't seen how his playstyle is, might look into previous games to find a good meta on him unless if its his first.

IMO for now Generic is the strongest town lead I've seen.

Gen wolf: Heh. Nice sarcastic remark in regards to simply lynching Miss Stranger. Not sure where Feel It (Was it Feel It? Might need to look through it again, but I think it was Feel It. if not was was Feglin) is going on with champin "buddying" you just for the compliment on that remark but i see little to no association with buddying/white knighting involving with that little agreement.

We established he commended on the result, not the remark, and the result made Feel It a pretty good dart target for Champ.

@James May:

Curious why you haven't mentioned Champ this far, who seems to be digging on you quite a lot already.]

I'd have to look into champ later on via the ISOs. In regards to Nacho, the reason why I have doubts about him is because there's a possibility that he could be scum IC, but for me to fully understand everyone's gameplay I'd have to look through their most recent games either on here or on a different website where they come from. As for Generic, yes he is the strongest town read at this moment but like I said, who knows how it would go later on in the game. As for Gen Wolf, in my personal opinion, it's better to wait until we find a more solid basis to vote on him. Just like everyone else. Despite three days passed already, there's really not much ground to vote for anyone except for a few minor slips here and there.

@Feg: Not really. It's more of being cautious and analyzing the players here. Like I said, where I come from, its a bit more fast paced (well, compared to this its way faster in terms of the time length) with a 48 to 96 hour day phase and usually a 24 hour night phase, which would require to nitpick on the slightest detail and quick rational thinking in it. But, in here since we have a 2 week day phase and a 48 hour night phase (please correct me on that part if I'm wrong, I usually don't look at the thread during night phases here).

[James May]

Hook. Line. and Sinker. And really fast too considering you have been nowhere to be found lately.

Nope. If you're basing on that then I'm sorry you don't have a case against me other than what Feg mentioned. But seriously, try to have some logic in it

[James May]

James May

is another that is hard to get a read on due to complete lack of activity. His recent post was the first time that he has shared an opinion on someone and I liked what I read. However, it is very minimal. If you are used to playing faster paced games then surely this slow style of play is not your norm? And your fast reactions to different people mentioning your name in the last few hours seems to heavily suggest lurking. Dive in and scum hunt!

I do admit that I'm lurking since I have to remind myself that the phases aren't 2 - 4 days long and need to calmly take my time with each post that are up heh. Gives me a bit more time to fully flesh out what I need to do. Yeah its a change of pace but in the long run it would benefit me. Anyhow, I do have a T/S list that I have written up in my notebook so I'll just flesh it out in a nutshell (but will change depending on the events of the game

Strong Town

Generic

Town

Miss Stranger

Null-Town

Nacho

Null

Fegelein
Feel It
Gen Wolf
Champin
Antagon

Null-Scum

N/A

Scum

N/A

Strong Scum

N/A

Now, the ones that are Null-Town to Null-Scum (although there aren't any in Null-Scum atm) I need to read up on the ISOs separately to get a full idea on who is what and not jump the bullet. But I feel like the strongest Town read, on my end at least, is Generic as I could fully understand everything what he is saying with each post that he puts. Though Feel It has vanished from the radar (probably from rl-related issues?), Gen Wolf is V/LA & Nacho is sort of in this "backseat scumhunting" zone. I suppose that the meta of each of them would help out immensely in my reads and probably need to scope in on past games to get the general idea of their town/scum metas. As for Champin & Antag, it's also a matter of meta that needs to be fleshed out so that I can also understand their gameplay. I know that I'm mentioning meta a few times but I personally feel that on this phase using a player's meta from previous game to get a general idea of their typical town/scum meta would help a lot in here, especially for the SE/IC that are here.

But for now, basing on this phase so far, VOTE: Antagon, where are you? It would be nice to see some productive posts here :/
Might change it depending on further readings.

@Feel It

James May- lol, he started off lurking and has since become more involved but he's only really managed to make himself look worse. His cautiousness and refusal to take a strong stance on anyone is making himself an easy target for people to attack and is not helping the town. Gonna have to go with scum, although I'm worried he's just a townie acting stupid.

Clearly you didn't read the reason why I was lurking in the first place...and you didn't read the reason why I'm being cautious...gotta stop jumping to conclusions man.

[James May]

@Feel It: Nah its alright.

Anyhow, have to prepare for my final in a bit so I'll pop back in in a while. Wish me luck.

[James May]

James May:

he made an odd waltz-in in the middle of the game and got immediately picked on this line: "I'm trying to be a bit more cautious this time", pointed as a heavy scumtell by Fegelein and Champ and apparently Feel It. Afraid to jump to conclusions because last game he was wrong and lost (isn't that what happens everytime when town loses?). He currently has no scumreads on anyone and plans on relying on meta once he has more time. Why meta and not the current game? (I admit I use meta a little, but only to see if a certain Mr. Busy is really busy or just bluffing). I think his cautiousness is more about the (newbie / just-hammered-bad-and-still-sore?) fear of lynching the wrong person rather than fear of getting more involved, and I currently don't think he's as scummy as people make him seem to be. He admits to being busy, but did a little bit of reads, which IMO speaks more good than bad about him and I'm interested to see what more he has to say once he finishes his finals. What I personally don't like is the fact I notice a very subtle reliance on my trust in him and that in post

#141

he explained his reads on everybody except on me. It makes me uncomfortable and I feel at a future point he might try to talk me into/lean on me for defence should he become more heavily suspected. For now I'd say he's more likely town than scum, but can easily go the other way around.

Reason why I'm relying on meta is to get a general idea of everyone that's playing in this game, of course I'm looking into the nulls since I'm uncertain on how their town/scum gameplays are since for me just basing it on the first phase of this game doesn't suffice enough to get solid reads. But once it gets onto the later phases (mainly after Day 2) I can get better info on the players in this current game rather than relying on past games. Luckily, today's my last final so I'll be able to have a bit more free time afterward (still gotta finish up two more classes, yay for summer terms being ridiculously wonky @_@). Also, on post 141, I was more inclined on explaining the players in the null area (with the exception of Generic) and to be quite honest, I haven't spotted on anything really suspecting about you so far in this game.