Newbie 1391 - Game Over - FINALLY!!!

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VOTE: Generic

What a boring name.

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Such a dirty young man. What's up?

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Changing your vote so much?

VOTE: Miss Stranger

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She's fine at L-2.

Antagon is probably Town.

Agreed, Miss Strangers' wish to edit posts, changing votes on a joke bw could be newness or perhaps an early scumtell?

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It's nothing huge of course, just somewhat suspicious behavior, you may well be telling the truth, but you slipped up first so you get prodded first. You don't seem that new to me. Have you played on other sites?

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Why bother with day 1. Lets just lynch Miss Stranger now and go from there? We are already onto our first scum.

Lynching anybody this early would be silly, we need to poke and prod and talk and get reactions, see who seems scummiest before making a decision. Not sure if I should give you benefit of the doubt due to your newness or change my vote now tbh.

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VOTE: UNVOTE

I suppose you're right. While your behavior and reaction was odd, it's not as alarming as Gene_Wolf suggesting to lynch you already.

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Dw he was talking to Generic

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VOTE: Gen_Wolf

I'm not satisfied with his explanation that he wasn't serious, it was an odd and anti-town comment. I looked at some of his other games and I didn't seem him act like that.

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Yeah, I changed my vote later because I didn't realize at the time he is an SE. I find it interesting that you described myself as opportunistic when I've put pressure and ask questions of suspicious behavior, I'm hardly trying to force a lynch already like Gen_Wolf suggested.

Some other thoughts;

The exchange between Generic and Nachomamma8 revealed that Generic is cautious and Nacho is fairly aggressive. Neither of them gave much away that I could notice.

I think Miss Stranger is leaning town. No I'm not trying to get you to lynch Gen_Wolf he just gets my vote because he seems the most suspicious (which at this point isn't much)

Antagon is active lurking, asking about people questions without contributing much himself. Fegelein has done the same but is a bit more involved.

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Are you serious? I'm one the more involved posters so far, and retorting my scum claim with an accusation against me only makes you look even worse, look how quickly and desperate you latched on to champinoman backing you up before you accuse me of buddying.

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Explain yourself, what have I not been involved in, show me what fluff I've posted. No, it's not necessarily a scumtell but you accused me of buddying when you quickly did the same.

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Thank you, finally someone appreciating my post. I have to agree, from the reactions it got I would have to place Feel It as my top scum candidate. This based on his extreme focus on this one post which clearly has been shown as a joke and secondly from his pure lack of involvment in other areas of the game. Almost as if he is avoiding the game because he has something to hide.

Jumped to the first person who gave you any backing. Do you have any evidence of your other accusations?

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Miss Stranger, it's not opportunism, if I was an opportunist I would have just kept my vote on you and pushed you harder, you already had three votes, instead I turned my focus on a player with no votes or attention who made a comment that stood out like a sore thumb. His reactions were even worse, he got all jumpy and defensive and claimed it was a reaction test and the people who fell for it were scum? That I'm not contributing? His accusations are weak and reeks of desperation and nervousness. If the guy is town I'm sorry but he's acted very scummy so far in.

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Feel It

, you are contributing and I wholeheartedly agree that

Gen_Wolf

is scummy. You are totally right about him. All that makes me uncomfortable was that first you blatantly accused me of hopping, and then it's like it never happened. See, like this:

Feel It: Changing your vote so much? I'm changing mine on you.
Gen_Wolf: You want to edit your posts? Changing votes? Lynch.
Fegel: She's fine with 3 votes.
Gen_Wolf: No, she's scum. Lynch her now and don't bother with D1, we'll have one less scum on D2.
Fegel: No.
Me: I didn't change votes, first one was totally random. I didn't scumslip, I just didn't want to doublepost.
Feel It: Miss, that's reasonable. I'm unvoting. OMG Gen_Wolf, you basically claimed mafia.

See what I mean? If I got lynched, you'd both look bad for pushing me for no real reason. Now if

Gen_Wolf

gets lynched as town, everyone would just know he was scummy as hell and you,

Feel It

, would pass under the radar. That's not to say I'm sure you're scum, hell

Gen_Wolf

IS painfully scummy, but you still definitely are on my suspect list should he flip town.

Yeah, if Gen got lynched and he flipped town I would very likely be lynched d2, but even then it doesn't really make sense. If I was a maf, why would i draw attention to myself and push a lynch on a guy who was passing under the radar, who I knew was innocent, and when he got lynched and flipped town everyone would be after my blood? It's illogical and bad mafia play, I'm only changing my vote and pushing against Gen_Wolf because he seems the most scummy to me.

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Not too much else to say. Interesting note on Fegelein jabbing Nachomamma8 then putting his vote on him. Antagon and James May have done the same while others take the pressure, very likely to be a maf hiding between them.

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Holy crap, it's a paragraph fest already :/. I sort of scrolled through it though, have the basic idea of what's going on.

I voted James May because RVS. My read on him atm is null, leaning scum because of lack of contributions and his first post was backseat scumhunting.

As for Nacho, I think he might be scum. He's sort of sitting back and just asking questions instead of providing real counter arguments against people.

It might just be me, but Gen_Wolf isn't that scummy.

Generic is Null.

Champinoman is Town to me.

Miss Stranger could go either way, leaning Town.

Feel It could go either way too, finding it hard to get a read on him.

UNVOTE: James May
VOTE: Nachomamma8

I noticed you made a comment on everyone except Antagon, why is that? You also said very early into the game that he's probably town, what made you say that?

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But what gets me is that even though Miss Stranger was apparently less alarming than Gene_Wolf, you still awarded Miss Stranger with a vote yet Gene_Wolf was not worthy of a vote until 4 hours later.

I agree with this. Especially since this:

Yeah, I changed my vote later because I didn't realize at the time he is an SE.

Doesn't really explain it that well.

At first I simply thought it was a mistake due to newness but then I saw he was an SE on the front page so it probably wasn't a mistake which made me suspicious, then i went and looked through some of his other games and the comment still didn't sit well with his play style and it rubbed me the wrong way till I decided I wanted to put a vote on him.

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Gen_Wolf won't be here for a while and we've applied pressure to him and got reactions, we'd be better looking at other players, particularly the lurkers trying to slide by unnoticed.

James May- Getting some very scummy vibes, he's made two posts, one saying he doesn't want to get involved yet and another before that claiming he had a big post analyzing us? He also made a few backseat questions and backed up Gen_Wolf's comment. Probably my main fos after Gen_Wolf

Antagon- Similar to the above, he started the first RVS bandwagon, then went quiet and has just made the odd comment, not giving much help.

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I haven't said much for a while so some general thoughts;

Fegelein- He's kept to his usual short and occasional posting style. Seems a little... narrow minded, he already seems to think he knows who the scum are when there's no link between them and the case against Nach seems pretty weak to me. (Although i appreciate him him trying to pressure a player a lot of people are letting slide by) Null, slightly scum because something about him just seems off.

Generic- I can't see anything suspicious about him, seems intent on helping the town.

Miss Stranger- Similar to Generic, but she over thinks things. Also, what makes you think James May is less scummy than Antagon?

Champinoman- Hasn't been very involved in the game. A lot of people have town reads on him but I'm not convinced. He does ask some good questions and make good observations though. I don't like his subtle buddying with Gen_Wolf. The only thing you found suspicious was him saying it was a reaction test? I'm not convinced he's scum but he dropped more scumtells than that. He's also trying to discredit Miss Stranger's view on Gen_Wolf as well.

Nacho- I have a similar view to him as Generic really: he's fairly a fairly aggressive and strong player and I can't get much of a read on him. If I went by my gut he's town though.

James May- lol, he started off lurking and has since become more involved but he's only really managed to make himself look worse. His cautiousness and refusal to take a strong stance on anyone is making himself an easy target for people to attack and is not helping the town. Gonna have to go with scum, although I'm worried he's just a townie acting stupid.

Antagon- What's up with this guy? Just hasn't done anything and given a few useless posts. Scummy.

Gen_Wolf- He made the comment we all heard of but his reaction to the pressure he got from it was even worse. He got very aggressive and jumpy and started an OMGUS on me, a really weak and illogical one as well which he couldn't back up. Since then he's changed his opinion and been saying I'm town? He's been acting more helpful and town now though thankfully.

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James May

is another that is hard to get a read on due to complete lack of activity. His recent post was the first time that he has shared an opinion on someone and I liked what I read. However, it is very minimal. If you are used to playing faster paced games then surely this slow style of play is not your norm? And your fast reactions to different people mentioning your name in the last few hours seems to heavily suggest lurking. Dive in and scum hunt!

I do admit that I'm lurking since I have to remind myself that the phases aren't 2 - 4 days long and need to calmly take my time with each post that are up heh. Gives me a bit more time to fully flesh out what I need to do. Yeah its a change of pace but in the long run it would benefit me. Anyhow, I do have a T/S list that I have written up in my notebook so I'll just flesh it out in a nutshell (but will change depending on the events of the game

Strong Town

Generic

Town

Miss Stranger

Null-Town

Nacho

Null

Fegelein
Feel It
Gen Wolf
Champin
Antagon

Null-Scum

N/A

Scum

N/A

Strong Scum

N/A

Now, the ones that are Null-Town to Null-Scum (although there aren't any in Null-Scum atm) I need to read up on the ISOs separately to get a full idea on who is what and not jump the bullet. But I feel like the strongest Town read, on my end at least, is Generic as I could fully understand everything what he is saying with each post that he puts. Though Feel It has vanished from the radar (probably from rl-related issues?), Gen Wolf is V/LA & Nacho is sort of in this "backseat scumhunting" zone. I suppose that the meta of each of them would help out immensely in my reads and probably need to scope in on past games to get the general idea of their town/scum metas. As for Champin & Antag, it's also a matter of meta that needs to be fleshed out so that I can also understand their gameplay. I know that I'm mentioning meta a few times but I personally feel that on this phase using a player's meta from previous game to get a general idea of their typical town/scum meta would help a lot in here, especially for the SE/IC that are here.

But for now, basing on this phase so far, VOTE: Antagon, where are you? It would be nice to see some productive posts here :/
Might change it depending on further readings.

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James May- lol, he started off lurking and has since become more involved but he's only really managed to make himself look worse. His cautiousness and refusal to take a strong stance on anyone is making himself an easy target for people to attack and is not helping the town. Gonna have to go with scum, although I'm worried he's just a townie acting stupid.

Clearly you didn't read the reason why I was lurking in the first place...and you didn't read the reason why I'm being cautious...gotta stop jumping to conclusions man.

No, I saw why, you didn't want to jump to conclusions and stuff, but people will just call that indecisiveness, and if you're a townie then getting yourself lynched and attacked and asking yourself target won't help.

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I... messed up my wording there sorry *blushes*

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Champinoman- Hasn't been very involved in the game. A lot of people have town reads on him but I'm not convinced. He does ask some good questions and make good observations though. I don't like his subtle buddying with Gen_Wolf. The only thing you found suspicious was him saying it was a reaction test? I'm not convinced he's scum but he dropped more scumtells than that. He's also trying to discredit Miss Stranger's view on Gen_Wolf as well.

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Gen_Wolf- He made the comment we all heard of but his reaction to the pressure he got from it was even worse. He got very aggressive and jumpy and started an OMGUS on me, a really weak and illogical one as well which he couldn't back up. Since then he's changed his opinion and been saying I'm town? He's been acting more helpful and town now though thankfully.

I haven't been very involved with the game? Did you have a glance at the post count and assume that because I have a low post count (due to putting everything into one post every night) that I haven't been involved?

The case I have apparently been trying to derail against Miss Stranger is the exact same case I am pressing to you. Other than Gen_Wolf's first page blunder, what has he done? All I can see if someone defending them self. I know people will say I'm defending him but nobody has actually answered this question. And considering people keep mentioning this 'scum slip' I am forced to continue asking this same question.

I just said there right in the comment you quoted why he was scummy.

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I know what you mean, congratz on your pregnancy btw

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Information Instead of Analysis. Instead of actually scumhunting, Fegelein instead chooses to talk theory instead. Therefore, he can say that he's actually done something while instead he's just blending in the background.

That's pretty rich coming from you, don't you think?

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I can't sleep... here's my brief T/S list for the moment.

• Antagon (SE):
  he's participating very little and his participation is involved with very odd, isolated posts with little actual content. Seems focused on Fegelein a lot. I definitely don't trust this person. Either apathetic town or very cautious scum, and both are bad.
  
  
• champinoman:
  extremely paranoid and aggressive, and somewhat OMGUS-y. Doesn't hesitate to point tiniest details and flail hands in suspicion. Very bombastic words and direct accusations ("are you covering up for your scum buddy", "are you trying to avoid an obvious lynch", "you clearly don't play this for the town"). I'm not sure if that is meant to intimidate or incriminate. I don't think he's "subtly buddying" with Gen_Wolf, but rather finds his attackers scummier. If I'm entirely correct about his paranoia, he shapes up as a "Mad-eye Moody" townie. He finds pretty much everyone scummy which is little better than blind shooting and relying on mathematical odds when it comes to a lynch. In that case I hope in time his paranoia will settle or at least become less diffused. On the other hand, his paranoia could be a scum paranoia of being uncovered, and he's aggressively pushing on people who attack him to bully them into defending themselves so he can step away from the spotlight. He earns town points for calling out on lurkers however and if I have to decide, I'd put him into my town zone.
  
  
• Feel It:
  I've been uncertain about him for a while. He earned scum credit for pulling up the "vote hopping" thing and for immediately polarly changing his attitude a few posts later, but has been lately accumulating town credit by trying to scumhunt outside of Gen_Wolf and broadening his view point. I'm stiiilll not entirely certain, so for now I'm putting him on hold.
  
  
• Fegelein (SE):
  earlier on I had a minor town read on him, but since he's diminished his activity, and his posts all look like haiku statements. He seems pretty certain that James May and Nachomamma are scum, but has offered little insight into why. He's insanely fast to get reads on people, but offers no argumentation on them. Either he already knows everything, or prefers not to say anything, or he's too busy. Upon inspection of his other ongoing games, I think I'm going with the latter, just to give him the benefit of doubt, but that's not to say I think he's town (scum can also be busy). Null.
  
  
• Gen_Wolf (SE):
  my "favourite player" to discuss - my thoughts on him are scattered all over the game, and I don't think I need repeat myself. He's very much stepping on the town/scum line, and I'm going to put him slightly into the town direction for now.
  
  
• Generic:
  almost certainly town. Consistent and insightful analysis and good reaction to pressure from Nacho. Doesn't seem to care about compressing his posts content or rewording them, which is good. Excellent response to paranoid attacks from Champ. I don't think I can find something suspicious.
  
  
• James May:
  he made an odd waltz-in in the middle of the game and got immediately picked on this line: "I'm trying to be a bit more cautious this time", pointed as a heavy scumtell by Fegelein and Champ and apparently Feel It. Afraid to jump to conclusions because last game he was wrong and lost (isn't that what happens everytime when town loses?). He currently has no scumreads on anyone and plans on relying on meta once he has more time. Why meta and not the current game? (I admit I use meta a little, but only to see if a certain Mr. Busy is really busy or just bluffing). I think his cautiousness is more about the (newbie / just-hammered-bad-and-still-sore?) fear of lynching the wrong person rather than fear of getting more involved, and I currently don't think he's as scummy as people make him seem to be. He admits to being busy, but did a little bit of reads, which IMO speaks more good than bad about him and I'm interested to see what more he has to say once he finishes his finals. What I personally don't like is the fact I notice a very subtle reliance on my trust in him and that in post
  #141
  he explained his reads on everybody except on me. It makes me uncomfortable and I feel at a future point he might try to talk me into/lean on me for defence should he become more heavily suspected. For now I'd say he's more likely town than scum, but can easily go the other way around.
  
  
• Nachomamma8 (IC):
  he arrived on stage with thunder and lightning and vanished just as quickly. He shares Antagon's selective reading, who just happens to be my current strongest suspect. Fegelein mentioned he's playing his scum meta, and from the newbie game he referenced I'd say he's right (although I'm still asking what is his town meta and how is it different). He questions a lot and demands excessive explanation, but he himself has provided little of it, best example being post
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  . I'd really like a broader #91-style analysis from him, because I'm not particularly satisfied with his present lack of involvement. I hope it's due to being overburdened with games. In either case, I'm going to go with null.

Well... I really can't sleep... that wasn't very brief was it...

How is that scummy? You just sound butthurt that I started a bw on you at the beginning of the game.

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Didn't Miss Stranger put a vote on Antagon? Or did she take it off?

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I wonder...

unvote, vote miss stranger

What pushed the vote Generic?

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what I find most interesting is when I did that the comments became singles sentences...

lol, well you didn't give any explanation so we're just kinda waiting.

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Okay, everyone is either complaining about my walls o'text or about other people's "active lurking", so what is like, actually expected from me? -_-

The game's hit a bit of a standstill, half the players are gone and I can't tell which ones aren't posting due to being busy and which ones are trying to keep a low profile.

With that being said VOTE: Antagon he's been the most useless player so far, so even if he was lynched and flipped town it would be an inactive townie and would narrow our suspects.

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Wow, one hell of a spread. Antagon I had a town read on early, can someone summarise the case against him please? Just a short reason.

Selective reading, backseat scumhunting, lurking etc.

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Site lives on!

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Did we lose anything?

And I apologise for the site breaking. This is my 2nd game on this site and the first game was early last year when the site broke for 3 weeks. I think it's me...

I made a post saying not to hammer Antagon without giving intent that was lost, not sure if there were more.

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Aw, the post where Generic voted Antagon is also gone.

Eager to get rid of him?

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man this game game is dead.

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Screw it, I'm not happy with the hand waving away if the claim at L-2, but I am feeling like its time to trust the gut.

vote nachomamma

How come exactly? I'm not convinced he's town but there's others around i find more suspicious.

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Oh btw could the mods give Gen_wolf and James May a prod?

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Hmmm, well neither of them are voting on a bandwagon, Antagon is voting James May alone and Nacho is still voting Gen_wolf. I can't tell if they're busy or just not interested in the game. Not to put on panic mode, but time is getting short now and we'll have to make a decision on who to lynch pretty soon.

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Okay then, giving intent to hammer Nacho, I want to see what he has to say.

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In fact I'm so annoyed by that play,

unvote, vote antagon

antagon is now at L-1

What are you doing? You've changed your vote a hundred times we had enough pressure to get a real response out of nacho.

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See Gen_Wolf this is why I think you're scummy you make odd posts and accusations. I've done at least as much scumhunting as you and probably a lot more? Why is the case against Antagon not valid? Because he's your scum partner and you're desperate to save him? How is Fegelein more likely to be scum than nacho and Antagon?

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What are you going on about? I did put pressure on him, then you moved your vote because Antagon voted his main opponent in the lynch, which honestly I can't see anything wrong with whether he's town or scum he's got good reason to do it. And now you're pointing fingers at me because?

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Implications everywhere. I'm not voting for him because I have a slight preference for the Antagon lynch, it's not an issue of getting my hands dirty.

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I gave intent (which is a lot different than actually hammering him) because I'm also willing to lynch Nacho. Like I said I'd prefer Antagon but Nacho hasn't been very town either. As to flushing out a PR I'm not an expert as to how that would work out but it would clear them from a lynch, right? Which would make the other one a lot likelier to be scum (unless we've been completely wrong and they are both town.) If not I apologize on making a noob mistake.

In fact I'm so annoyed by that play,

unvote, vote antagon

antagon is now at L-1

What are you doing? You've changed your vote a hundred times we had enough pressure to get a real response out of nacho.

This is your post. You want nacho under pressure. You don't care about whether I consider one scummier than the other, your anger at me stems from not keeping nacho at L-1.

I point out you could switch vote to achieve that very same goal and you come up with a weak excuse about finding antagon slightly scummier?

The same s racon I put at L-1 and you got angry about, right?

unvote, vote feel it.

I don't know why you need to make stuff up to cover your unwillingness to move the vote, but none of it is pro town to me.

man, I ain't angry at you I'm just perplexed, you've gone and changed your vote again and you're looking like you hold a grudge at me now because I pointed out your voting patterns. You seem to make your votes based on emotion.

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If antagon is mafia, I'm pitching either fegelein or feel it for teammate, both if its a three man team (forgot what the split was).
Feel it refused to move his vote to nacho yet was happy to post intent to hammer on him. It simply doesn't add up.

To me he wants to sit on the antagon wagon in case that ends in a lynch so he can appear a part if it, but was ready to wait for nacho to respond and then hammer him claiming the posts weren't good enough.

Uh no, go back and look at my posts I've had a scumread on him all day, that's why my vote is there. If i was maf do you really think I'd sit and contribute my partner dying this early, on D1? that's ridiculous and contradicts me being hesitant to lynch Nacho.

@Nacho- My top two scumreads are on Gen_Wolf and Antagon, have been most of the game, especially seeing as Gen_Wolf seems hesitant to vote Antagon. But I'm not certain of you, champ, or Fegelin

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@Nacho- My top two scumreads are on Gen_Wolf and Antagon, have been most of the game, especially seeing as Gen_Wolf seems hesitant to vote Antagon. But I'm not certain of you, champ, or Fegelin

What do you think of the recent things I've brought up on champ? Why are you OK with lynching me and letting one of your top two get away?

Yeah, champ has been pretty cautious with his opinions and posts all day, it's why I've found it hard to get a read on him. He has a similar play style to you actually, which makes your vote on him kinda funny. As to being okay to lynching you, well because I'm not actually certain of them being guilty they're just the highest, I could easily be wrong about them and I'm keeping an open mind.

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Come on now, you're using meta as an argument, but not even MY meta. Your logic is weak. I've had the guy as my second fos all day. I can't lightly buss Antagon AND refuse to change my vote to somebody else stop contradicting yourself. As to Gen_Wolf, look at yourself he was your main suspect to and you changed your vote the reasoning was obvious: the bandwagon on him lost steam and we wanted to put pressure on other players. He's gotten lucky today.

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@Miss Stranger:

I am using your way of addressing people lol. I wasn't talking about Antagon it was Gen_Wolf I was referring to. And I don't know which question you mean.

@Nacho:

It's just funny you find a guy a scummy who plays the same as you.

@Generic:

I've answered this before: I wasn't going to hammer him, I gave intent because he was gone and I wanted to pressure and draw him out, but then you changed your vote again which made it null. If I had then changed my vote to nacho it would be me losing pressure on the guy I'd prefer lynched (Antagon.)

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So you lied about being willing to hammer him?

Not a great start feel it but ok.

And then you say moving your vote loses pressure on antagon. But antagons reaction to being at L-2 was a desperate jump on the other wagon to bring him out of the firing line, when we were nowhere near the deadline. And when I acted on that you seemed to react o it negatively. Yet my moved ADDED pressure to your bigger suspect.

Am I the only one finding this story to not add up? If I am I will stop wasting my time on something I have clearly read totally wrong, but to me feel it thinks antagon is more suspicious and in need of pressure but when he reacted badly and I applied more to him feel it took issue.

And this push on nacho you desired, he responded without needing to be at L-1, and with far more analysis in the game than anyone else. Put that against what antagon did at L-2 and tell me I was wrong to move my vote.

The reaction had nothing to do with Antagon, it was about losing the pressure on nacho and you bw hopping again. And yes, it's easy to say in hindsight the pressure on him wasn't needed because he came back and started posting, at the time he was posting in other threads and seemed to be avoiding this one.

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@Stubbs:

I've answered all those questions before except for the one about Miss Stranger and I'm not repeating myself again. I asked because I was curious about her motives, like the question suggests.

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^generic is town, Stubbs is scummy, champ is townish and null on feg and nacho

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Do they get assigned in newbie games?

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I just wasn't sure, forgot about the table thanks. I'm not moving my vote and I think overall the best choice would be to hammer him. Bulletproof is an easy scum claim and it smells like a last ditch effort to save himself. If we let him go now and he's lying (which is likely), we've let a scum go, but even if he's telling the truth all it will do is let the scum know not to target him because he's bulletproof and not a helpful townplayer, which will make it easier for them to pick the rest of us off.

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7 hours till the deadline, I'll probably be asleep at that time

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Either way,

vote feel it

You can now explain your panicky reaction when I took nacho out of L-1 and took away your ability to hammer him, and put it on a now confirmed scum player.

And if you use at any time the arguement you were voting for antagon I will push this lynch with everything I have. Bussing does not clear anybody.

Are you seriously retarded? I've explained this a thousand times. Get over your tunneling you're just hurting the town now with your narrow mindedness. Push my lynch if you want but you're gonna look very, very stupid when I flip town.

VOTE: chkflip

The games practically won, it's obvious Fegelin backed out because he was scum and he know the game was over for him.

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Go look at your own play you've tunneled so hard you've lost your common sense. Reread the game, particularly Fegelin and add up all the facts, his subtle buddying , his tunneling on Nacho (who's pretty unlikely to be scum now). The guy completely disappeared when Antagon went under pressure. And to top it off once we lynched his buddy he gave up and got a replacement, he's like the most obvious lynch ever.

I was obviously wrong about giving intent to hammer Nacho. I was probably wrong about Gen_Wolf being scum as well.

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VOTE: Feel It

lol, fine lynch me. There's still enough townies to finish you.

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Why are you complaining? I'm just helping you.

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Sounds like you lost your nerve and can't admit it.

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tfw nobody wants to lynch me anymore ;_;

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Yeah, I've found my other newbie game to be more active and enjoyable.

VOTE: chkflip

For anyone still wondering where my vote came from on myself is because well, we've already got one scum and lost no townies so we have room for error. It looks like today the lynch will be between either myself of chkflip, and while I would prefer chkflip because I'm town and I'm almost sure he's the last scum, I don't mind being lynched today that much as long as you lynched him the next day.

And yeah, while I guess he kinda deserves a chance he's only made himself look worse in my eyes, he just jumped on Generics vote on me without giving any other viewpoints on anybody else. Felt opportunistic, like he was hoping to get lots of pressure and a quick bandwagon on me so he could sit back.

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I'm still pretty confident he's scum and just bluffing/giving up, but if he does flip town the whole game opens up again, and I'll be on everyone's hit list.

If it's not chkflip, consider looking at Nacho. Nacho had a strong scum read on Antagon but didn't vote him. Other than that... I don't know, possibly Gen_Wolf.

Antagon also voted Nacho and he ended up being scum. I find it unlikely that both of the major bandwagons yesterday were scum, and I also doubt Antagon would try to kill his partner when Nacho was a more active player with better chances of survival, Nacho is probably not scum at this point.

Miss Stranger and Generic are town, champinon is likely town as well, so if chkflip flips town I'd say the final scum is between stubbs and gen-wolf.

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...woah, really didn't expect him to flip town. Nobody was killed at night again curiously.

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I doubt they would NK twice, that would be really against their best interests.

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Well, that went quick. He is the most likely looking to be scum but.. I'm a bit weary seeing as i was wrong about chkflip he seemed so scummy to me.

Anyway, giving intent to hammer, gen_wolf please claim if it's relevant and give your views on players, in particular who you think is scum.

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gen_wolf, Who is your main fos?

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@champinoman: It was what I thought he would claim which is okay. He seems the most scummy to me based on his generally posting, he likes to disappear as long as there is no pressure on him, and he has the most links to Antagon after chkflip. If he is town... well I haven't got much else because him, Antagon and ckflip were the scummy players to me. Based on a gut feeling I'd say Stubbs.

@gen_wolf: You need to give us more than that, which one is the most scummy, and why? Give a case.

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I'm neutral towards it, if the majority wants it I'll claim.

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My main reasoning for Nacho being town is the Antagon vote, and the odds of both the main wagons on day 1 being scum are pretty low. It's certainly not impossible for him to be scum, but I'd say he's one of the less likely players. If he is nice distancing Antagon lol

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He's still posting in another game, so, kinda yeah.

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UNVOTE: Stubbs for great justice. My predecessor's reasons were crap.

Still rereading and still on my phone, but champoin is my first gut read for scum. Something about his D3 entrance strikes me as off.

I expect 6:1 with two Nights is a good place for a massclaim, but that's easy for me to say since Gen Wolf already claimed. If you do ends up lynching me I STRONGLY recommend doing so tomorrow.

More before midnight. Didn't realize my slot was so reviled.

Why not today?

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No, I didn't claim.

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I've been busy. Does everyone want me to claim?

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Scum

Mr Flay
StubbsKVM
Nacho
Champino
Generic
Miss Stranger

Town

I'm surprised I've scored so high on everybody's list, some weird sheeping going on.

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I'm just a vanilla townie.

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I'm okay with this.

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Who would you lynch today and tomorrow if it was your choice?

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The only flaw I can see in it is that he could be scum and trying to back himself out of a corner, he knows he's been stopped killing so he's going to appeal to town to kill each other.

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Yeah, that's what he SAID, but it gives him 2 more days, 2 more days to potentially steer the town in other directions and fight among itself if. It's harmful to the town because he could be scum, and he knows that champinoman has him by the balls so he's trying to appeal to the town to get kills in other ways. Don't you think it's a big scumtell that champinoman has blocked him twice and we've had zero nightkills so far?

I'm fine with going along with it as long as long as the town makes sure to lynch him on the third day if scum hasn't been found.

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VOTE: Nachomamma8

Sorry Nacho, but I think I'd prefer to find out today if you're scum over any other player, champinoman jailing you twice with no nightkills speaks pretty loud.

I don't like the no lynch idea either, nothing will happen either way. if nacho is guilty nobody will be killed, and if he's innocent scum will almost certainly no kill, just feels like a waste of time.

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VOTE: Feel It

Nah, I'm not scum and don't have anything to hide. The town thinks I'm scum though so I think it would be better if I died so it will clear their minds.

Some last thoughts;

Why is the town so happy give an extra 2 days to the player with the most scummiest evidence against him? he should have been lynched today.

Mr Flay is still scummy

Stubbs has lurked more than me today, and is wary to get involved.

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I wanted him lynched too but the town turned on me, sigh

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well done guys :L