Newbie 1393 Game Over

[notscience]

Wheeeeeeeeeee

VOTE: Debonair

When in doubt vote the IC

[notscience]

^This guy knows how to vote

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VOTE: Smudger

Wagons are fun, lets see where this one takes us

[notscience]

Oh noes

Whatever will I do now

[notscience]

No comment on the wagon on you?

[notscience]

Yo DDP, loving that avatar of yours

Lets get some RQS going (Random Question Stage)

1)(To those who haven't stated so) What is your time zone?
2) Have you ever played Mafia before? If so, on what medium and how many games? (irl, another forum, etc)
3) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
4) What would your feelings be on a no-lynch?


My Answers
EST
Yes, I have 4 finished games on this site
Town :>
I don't like no-lynching

[notscience]

So you have a runthrough there.

Okay, tell us who is scum and who is town based off of that.

[notscience]

Why did you say I've been the most pro-town yet then say there's been no scummy nor townish behaviour?

[notscience]

1)Activity=towniness, Content>Activity
2)My issue was you said I was the most pro-town player yet then said there was no scummy nor townie behaviour, which kinda contradicts itself. How can I be protown if there has been no townie behaviour?

[notscience]

You think I may be scum but I'm the most pro-town person atm

Wat

[notscience]

But you called me pro-town, and then say there hasn't been that behaviour. If I'm pro-town for any reason, there has to be behaviour to back it. You said I was the most pro-town, yet you think I could be scum.

It's like when you're asked if a dress looks nice on a woman. You don't say "Yeah, only it's kinda ugly"

[notscience]

If I'm being useful for the town that means I'm trying to help town :L

I'm curious to hear other responses to this debate.

[notscience]

God damnit we lost a lot of responses. People, post opinions on mine and dessew's debates.

[notscience]

Is helpful to who?

[notscience]

The question of the wagon? I'm thinking itlooks townspeed, trying to force the way out of RVS.

Danny-

1)Why
2)Are
3)You
4)Avoiding?

As for the reasons I asked about no lynch, we always get either EM people who believe the standard is to no-lynch, as well as it allows a better understanding about the thought process. It also can account for certain quirks in behaviour based on the games they have. I suppose you could call it "sizing up" however.

Nothing else interested you thus far danny?

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Okay, you want me to do stuff?

VOTE: Cynical

He essentially just sheeped Feel it's reasoning and placed that vote in an attempt to blend into town. Atm, he's also trying to say a wagon that was established in RVS is a ruse to eliminate the IC, and yet does not elaborate on the people on the wagon, and choses to vote someone else. Admittedly, I was on the Danny wagon, but I was the FIRST on the wagon. Note how that's not in his reasoning for voting me, only reasoning brought up be Feel it is. Not to mention, they say they targetted him as an "experienced player" when the people who were on his wagon were primarily the SEs.

Feel it, I'm taking that as an insult and will ask you not to make comments such as that more please. You're riding my ass for not posting content when other people are doing the exact same thing and not getting called out for it.

Exhibit A) Danny
Exhibit B) MVM
Exhibit C) You yourself up until that post had no content whatsoever

[notscience]

Also in addendum to that blending into the town bit, he only placed a vote

after

being called out for it. Scum realizing they're out in the open and scared about it?

[notscience]

Shirting the blame? Provide proof.

I'm not pretending to be active, I'm doing what I can amidst this. I'm used to having at least one person active to bounce thoughts around with, which I don't have. I've had votes, I've been on wagons during RVS because imo that's the best way to get us out of RVS.

You're essentially giving people credit for voting. ALL of MVMs votes have been RVS-esq. Danny hasn't really had content or a decent vote. You're BSing and buddying. Congratz, you're my new #2 scumread.

For the record, I post a lot because the more I post, the more there is for people to use to develop a read on me.

[notscience]

What valid concern?

You're buddying Danny, giving him way more credit than he deserves, likewise with mvm.

I'm not omgusing, I'm pissed off.

[notscience]

Fu, what call am I sheeping? The fact that I used something you did and his reaction in my case=sheeping?

You want to say I'm scum feel it? Go ahead. Don't care. I'll be over here trying to catch actual scum.

I find it insulting when he depicts the entirety of my play as posting a lot without actual content.

Tell me Feel It, because you seem to be a

professional

on my meta, do I post like this as town or scum, and provide proof of it to back your claim up.

I haven't had content based on everyone else posting so little and essentially RVS, so it must be I'm sucm, the two must not correlate.

Here, I'll ISO so You get that content that you say I'm lacking

DDDP has done jack and yet I'm apparently worse than him

Dessew has posted a crapton and hasn't done much of anything other than debate with me and ask if someone read every post on page 2

Feel it, as much as he pisses me off is looking town thus far. He's asking questions and getting involved in stuff. Still hasn't had a lot of content pre-this debate.

Fu- he says I sheep'd him and I don't see any sheeping whatosever, misrepping to the max as well as quick to jump on the wagon outside of RVS makes him possible scum. I'd bet it more if Cynical wasn't on this wagon, as scum like to have 1 on 1 off every wagon, but I'll come back to that later.

Cynical hasn't done anything but according to Feel it neither have I so I can't say anything

mvm hasn't done anything and see above for the rest of this line

Smudger looks logical, nothing indicative of either alignment

Z7 is town just for calling out Feel it's bit about L-1 and the derphammers.

Happy, or is this just another low content post that doesn't appease you?

[notscience]

Okay so here I go

Dessew, I initially had him as scum because I was pissed off and it felt like chainsawing, but I went back and it was pretty pro-town.

SE- Idr what the acronym is but it's experienced people who are playing basically, kinda like the IC

RVS- Random Vote Stage, it was that initial part with all the wagons and such that you were reading into

OMGUS- Oh my god you suck, basically a reactionary vote either to a comment or a vote placed by another person

WIFOM- (ik you didnt ask but I have a feeling this will come up) Wine in front of me, basically circular logic. If you've ever seen the Princess Bride, remember when the guy was going on about which wine glass to chose and coming up with all these different things that effect location.

I've already explained my no-lynch question. We always have that handful from EM that believe NL'ing to be the meta, and when they answer with their approval of it, it helps to create discussion which ultimately was the goal of that question.

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I like questions more than just stating it.

Smudger, who is scum?

[notscience]

Which side is the scum side

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It's a scummometer, which is the dangerous side is what I'm asking. Are you saying Feel it is your highest scumread Z7? Also, about the scumtells thing, it kinda is meh on me because I tend to do "scumtells" as town.

Respectable smudger, just look and try to find something that comes off weird to you or that town wouldn't agree.

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Yo mvm, you have anything to actually say about this game or do you plan to ride our curttails/lurk your way to your scum wincon? He's posting other places, why not here?

[notscience]

So many people sheeping my statements on mvm l0l

HC, why the need for an apology?

[notscience]

I don't find him town, so atm he's kinda in the nether for me. A bit too much fluff from him though.

VOTE: mvmafia

Lets see where this goes.

[notscience]

notscience, why is your vote still on HC. Do you find him scummy?

I don't know what to say about DDDP, the way he tried to get votes to the Z7-wagon is funny but maybe it's not even worth noting.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

Sorry, I sould have used another word. I'm going to the corner to think about what I've done. Frankly, I have no idea what to think about you, neither your alignment nor your behaviour. You seem to be quite hostile toward me and I don't really get why, I may have insulted you, although I didn't intend to. If this is the case, I want to apologize: I'm truly sorry.
(#115 did make me laugh)

btw if your response is serious I am going to die js

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Looks to me like he was shakin' somethin' fierce.

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Got anything legitimate to say Feel it?

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Heh, I do that too HC.

mvm is at L-2 guise js

[notscience]

Mod, is there anything we can do about MVM's slot? It's dead weight.

[notscience]

sorry for the vla. I was on a business trip. Now I'm reading all to catch up.

but i agree with cynical that it's weird to see notscience asking people about the "no lynch" thing.

Thats nice.

I just think notscience is trying to look very active and to pass an image of a scum hunter.
Also would like to point to everyone else that being active and "scum hunter" looking doesnt necessarilly mean you are town. It also could be scum trying to look town. Where this paranoid come from nts ? town or scum ? I'll leave it for day 2 or 3.

Setting a mislynch on the backburner is noted.

I agree that FuzzDn needs to post more. will vote him untill he comes up and gives us more content.

Hypocritical scum. Vote is now seriouser.

unvote

VOTE: FuzzDN

[notscience]

Lol, people always overestimate me. Why am I scum Fu?

Btw, z7 had reasons for his "lurking." P sure I was first on mvm wagon as a pressure vote, but his receny post made it more serious as hevoted for lurking when its all hes done. Fu, he posted everywhere else on the site but not here. Why?

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I disagree, I tthink mvm is.

They arent falk, but you wont believe me so meh.

You made a comment as to why mvms lurking was worst over you 3(p sure, hard to double check by phone)

What do you think was faked? Me being pissed off?

[notscience]

UNVOTE:

We aren't lurker lynching this soon before deadline.

[notscience]

^ SEconding that, my vote was initially for pressure and several people decided to jump on it for "more pressure"

methinks one of them is scum

[notscience]

Meh his was an RVS vote that was never unvoted methinks

if not then whatever

The point stands, the last 2 people on it put him too close to a lynch for my likings.

[notscience]

MVM is REALLY bugging me now.

He places a vote on someone for something he did, and is trying to sheep people as well as not forming his own stuff.

[notscience]

This game got so dead jesus

[notscience]

So dead jeez

This is looking bad for town

I'll settle for an mvm lynch today.

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Actually help or die.

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One guy can only do so much.

MVM isn't doing much to make me want to keep him.

[notscience]

Yo MVM, best if you probably claim ASAP because you keep vanishing, and if we end up MLing a PR because of that I'm going to be pissed.

P sure he's scum, but not voting until we get conf he's not.

[notscience]

We have no activity, no way to find scum. Today's the day to lynch an inactive if any, especially when what you've done when you've been here is hypocritical and fluff.

[notscience]

I can only save it if it was MOSTLY dead.

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^Approving this.

[notscience]

Um

If you hammer without a claim (barring time limit on the day constraints)

I will PERSONALLY lead the wagon on you tomorrow.

[notscience]

We can't afford a NL.

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FU I have no clue what you're talking about stfu :<

[notscience]

.-.

I thought I had voted MVM ;-;

VOTE: Danny

[notscience]

ISO him. It's all fluff and defense. No scumhunting.

[notscience]

Yeah.

[notscience]

Why'd you say sorry?

Making a huge deal out of NKs is scummy.

FoS HC.

[notscience]

Hell, "sorry" could be a scumslip.

"Sorry" could be apologizing for targetting him with the kill.

It's the little things that count.

It's not for lurking, it's for fluffing.

[notscience]

Wait a minute

Are you trying to say he's scum

Because he didn't "like" Feel it

And Feel it died?

[notscience]

Not too long till day 1 ends, and there's nobody I'm really comfortable lynching. Gonna have to do a reread and see what comes up.

Earlier he had a case against smudger

Is there something I'm missing?

[notscience]

Then who is the other scum if they wanted Feel it off their back?

[notscience]

Bad vote is bad

I'm asking who else he thinks is scum

He made a claim, he should have an answer

Blatant chainsaw/WK noted.

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He thinks that they killed feel it to get pressure off BOTH of them. I just want to know who he thinks the other is.

Chainsawing is rushing to defend a scumbuddy (as scum) and WKing (whiteknighting) is doing the same to a townie.

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I'm nitpicking because it's little tidbits I find interesting.

I still want to know his other prospect, and look at what danny said earlier.

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That's strange Z7, I'm pretty sure I was leaning town last scummometer.

Changing your tune to match the fotm I see.

HC, there you go. You answered my question. Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Not to mention, "he doesn't have a real solid case" and then look at Z7's against me. It's laughable.

VOTE: Z7

Severe OMGUS can be found in this post

[notscience]

Hey look guys, L-1 shortly into Day 2!

IF this doesn't blow up scumpushed wagon in anyone's head then this game is fucked.

[notscience]

What makes it better is, I don't have a townread on ANYONE voting me currently.

[notscience]

When I say severe omgus I was talking about my own, you clearly don't take a joke

so, here's the question. Is there 1 stupid townie on me, or 2 stupid townies on me?

[notscience]

Lets see

1) I'm town
2) Scum know I'm town
3) 3 people are voting me out of the 6 whose alignment I don't know, and 2/6 are Scum.

Math dictates that there are scum on my wagon.

[notscience]

You want reasonings behind my claims?

All your reasonings are total shit.

None of them are remotely decent reasons for someone to be L-1 this far into the day.

[notscience]

Can you make a less garbled post please

How long have I been on your scumreads? I don't see a mention of it before.

I see you trying to meld into the town there.

I'll post more tomorrow morning.

[notscience]

lol

The fact you want to hammer this early in the day is scummy

1) We lose time to discuss

2) It puts town in LyLo

3) I'm not claiming because if you hammer this early and without a claim you'll make your life miserable. Claiming intent this early in the day is bad and you should feel bad

Again, before Feel it made comments pertaining to how I play, which is what pissed me off. People always think I'm scum the first game I play with them. So, I really don't care if you all think I'm scum or not, there's a queue for a reason.

I can go back and ISO if I don't get derphammered due to people without a legitimate case. Ya kno, there hasn't actually been a case presented by Smudger, and he's claiming intent. He's following the wave of the town. He sees town swinging to me, all of a sudden "omgscum."

OMGUS is a null tell, and I acknowledge it was OmgUS but the vote WAS opportunistic, as Z7 said.

What about math is wrong? 6 people whose alignments I don't know, 2 of them are scum. Scum usually like to have 1 on 1 off, but 2 on a wagon isn't unheard of. Which is what makes HC's and Smudger's votes all the worse- Both lack legitimate reasoning and are opportunistic as hell (I call intent a vote because #yolo)

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I already noted that, which shows you aren't reading fully.

Quicklynches are bad and should feel bad.

[notscience]

Out of context. Read the rest of the line and stop twisting my words.

[notscience]

You know what amuses me? I'm debating the scumminess of the person threatening to hammer me.

The fact those geniuses voting me can't realize there are scum among them just makes me feel all the more likely scum has this win.

Why? Because town is letting someone get to L-1, have intent to hammer claimed, this early into day 2. There's nothing legitimate about this intent to claim nor is there in Z7s or HC's votes (Z7 at the very least acknowledges that fact) and yet I'm sitting here with the gallows hanging over my head? Lol?

[notscience]

Why? Because town is letting someone get to L-1, have intent to hammer claimed, this early into day 2. There's nothing legitimate about this intent to claim nor is there in Z7s or HC's votes (Z7 at the very least acknowledges that fact) and yet I'm sitting here with the gallows hanging over my head? Lol?

Would you stop whining about process and instead do something about the perception that you're scum? I have absolutely no problem with a quicklynch; I do have a problem with you being quicklynched because despite you being irritating as hell I think you're town.

What's funny is I always whine

Who do you think should be lynched?

Imo HC or Smudger with the crazy opportunism.

[notscience]

LOL

IF YOU DON'T LYNCH THAT SONUVA TOMORROW I WILL PERSONALLY KILL YOU

Of course, in mid-ISO is the perfect time to quickhammer.

DDP- 265,277and the end of190 give me good vibes, there's a lot of fluffy content, (such as the goodfellas quotes and etc, and early on it was kinda lackluster) but I find that usually town isn't all srs business. Leaning town.

Dessew- I look back on his ISO and I can't really get why I started that nonsensical debate earlier. Look at the progression of thought between posts 75, 107 and 165. It's harder for scum to emulate thought progression. Strong townread on Dessew.

Fu- Okay, my thing about him not having a case was bad. I looked back, and can see I've steadily been in his scumreads. He's brought up several reasons to vote me throughout, his vote is okay. While the lurking throughout day 1 was kinda bad, what he has posted is decent. Leaning town.

What I have thus far.

Rereading, HC is probably Town. Scumteam is Smudger/Z7.

[notscience]

Smudger you are so scum it makes me cry if you aren't lynched tomorrow I will die

Town you fail if you don't lynch him

This game is over jesus

[notscience]

Bye smudger, town knows you're scum now

[notscience]

as you wish it will be a mistake if they don't.

FTFY, scum.

[notscience]

Whoever hammers smudger needs to post this picture for me



https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/imag ... xqLZ-YhK7f

You've just acknowledged I'm town and you hammered me

GG SCUM SAY YOUR PRAYERS

[notscience]

lolnah

[notscience]

I'm having fun showing town how scum you are

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Nope

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I'm positive you'll flip scum

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Ya dont say

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^