The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

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vote cdb

wagon ohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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At least you managed to post in-hydra this time

unvote vote macmollie

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unvote

Not a fan of macmollie's posting just because it's done in a retard way but it's not enough to lynch.

Amrun's making me uncomfortable and I'm not sure why.

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Because I'm heading off to work and don't have time to do a full reread or post. This was based off me reading the last few pages since my last post, and I want to re-read when I get to home before laying down a vote.

Yeah.

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And before you say anything - modding comes before playing so that's why the time between waking up and going to work is mainly devoted to modding with the simple first read of posts since my last post of games.

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I like this wagon.

UNVOTE: macmollie
VOTE: Generic

Bad

And ain't I the popular one :p

A down day and I now am lead wagon

Bad

Quick question, Tierce -- why aren't you voting me?

This made me uncomfortable

wait

did my two scummies and join date two years prior to you fool you?

I'm not offended at all -- it's a valid question, though way off base. I'm not new to mafia in the slightest, though I don't pretend to be t3h best player evar.

More likely, you are new to MS meta, because the townhunting comment is pretty straightforward and common.

Full town cases are, in fact, terrible, and that's also a pretty standard opinion. Many people here actually believe that sharing townreads at all is something you shouldn't do.

So I return the question to you: how new to mafia games are YOU?

This made me uncomfortable on initial read, re-read showed me I had missed context so nvm.

All 3 of his posts give me bad vibes.

I usually come across as scum when I'm town. I play on another site and my scum survival rate is 100%, but my town survival rate is probably like 5%. And then I say these types of things that make my situation even worse

@BROseidon- What makes Nacho seem off to you?

Metal Sonic is seriously bothering me. He jumps on the early wagon and then doesn't even bother to say anything after. But because of this he is probably town.

Generic is coming across as frustrated townie so... UNVOTE: Generic
And Ankamius is probably town.

Wow. Bad.

Yeah no I smell scum screwing up,

Vote: KillerApple

Easy jump. Reck pointed it on, you went straight on that wagon. +100000 sp

The additional case reckoner has begun to poke apple with is even more concerning. I'm not encouraged by apples responses to what seem decent points. And post 150 is a hand waving away of it without looking like he is reacting in a negative way to a momentum gaining wagon.

vote killerapple

You seem to be attempting to hold a measure of control under pressure but you aren't effectively answering the points raised against you, it's vague and dismissive.

Lol I have no control. I will most likely be lynched. The points raised against me are pretty stupid considering I would never be so careless as scum. But I might as well shut my mouth because this post will also be used against me in some way.

Trying to offset your scumminess by daring us to lynch also isn't going to work BZZZZZZZZZZZZT

How about this? I

triple dog dare you.

Trying to decide whether this is cocky scum or cocky town. I'm leaning the former now.

Btw, Reck is the most town person here.

vote KillerApple

NEVERMIND

all three have lurking tendencies, so I think they're doing their lurking tendency thing.

I call 'em like I see 'em. I checked Bro's games and he doesn't strike me as the lurking type (in the Newbie you two actually played together he posted like every day). Neither does CDB in the games I checked.

Guess, it's a matter of opinion then whether they're laying low (don't act as if scum never do that) or just lurking for other reasons.

If you are going to use meta, at least use it right.

Posting on phone

The Apple guy just called me scum when I had only 1 post at rvs? How does that even happen

VOTE: killerapple

Btw I finished all 9 pages yeah I'm up to scratch

And your opinion is?

I'd be happy with a lynch on Apple or Sonic. I would like to see more from CDB, and I feel that Nacho is town.

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Also Venmar's vote reasoning was, imo, awful, and I think he's trying to buddy with Reck.

the fact that I think KA is scum is neither here nor there - it's an easy vote time for scum to hop on to be a part of the wagon.

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Yeah your vote on KillerApple, whilst the right place to be, doesn't make sense in the context of your weird ass 273.

Either you think he's town, and therefore shouldn't be voting him, or you think he's scum. Which is it Delibird?

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Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

Why don't you just use your scum powers to NK me? I know you're scum, and I'm not moving this vote.

This is a fucking awful fucking post

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Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

Why don't you just use your scum powers to NK me? I know you're scum, and I'm not moving this vote.

This is a fucking awful fucking post

I agree, I hate them.

it was almost as terribad as your #224

Thanks. It's not quite as bad as your vote on me though. That was fucking spectacular.

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I'm not getting into a pissing contest with you though. I'm going to find actual scum and let you carry on barking up the wrong tree, sweetheart.

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Neither vote was serious. At no point did I say "I'm not shifting my vote off this shitcunt hydra who can't post in hydra." Unlike you, I was open to other possibilities, like actual scum. I might dislike hydras, and I might dislike the fact that you can't post in-hydra, but at the end of the day it was never going to get you lynched.

If I really cared, I'd fucking do something about it.

So in short, jog on.

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I didn't consider RVS to be over when I reput my vote on you. I couldn't remember what had gone on between my first vote on you and tigers eating the site. That's why I went back to you. As soon as the game picked up, and I was happy RVS was over, I moved my vote.

If you aren't happy with that, whatever, you can keep wasting time. If you're town though, you'll shut the fuck up, get over it, and move your fucking vote to actual scum.

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And now I'm taking a step back so as I don't get modkilled for cursing.

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I apologise.

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I'm not particularly interested in your reasons, since I know you're wrong. It's not me you have to convince, it's everyone else.

I'm more interested to know why you dislike KA's posts, are happy to call them bad, yet won't help to lynch them, instead preferring to go after me.

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If you can convince everyone else I'm scum, then I get lynched if I can't convince 'em that I'm town (I am town btw). That's how the game goes.

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I think AV's been pretty much a nonentity so far.

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I don't really like hydras anyway but yeah out of hydra posting pisses me off so meh

I think he's quite scum but.

I'm bad at coming up with read lists so give me time I end up getting fixated on a couple of things and stuff (aka you and KA atm)

I don't like Amrun calling me town.

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Andy I've been voting KillerApple since post #224....

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Although if someone could put a bullet between Venmar's eyes tonight that would be much appreciated.

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I find Metal Sonic less obnoxious so personally would prefer to see Venmar.

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unvote

My vote is on KA by proxy, but we need to know if a) anyone is willing to hammer, and b) if so, what KA claims.

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Also, I can't see both Venmar & Metal Sonic being scum with KA as they're both on the wagon.

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Start fucking acting like town then

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I am town :/

PROVE. IT.

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If you're at L-1, and someone announces intent to hammer, then you should claim. If you don't, you'd get lynched

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http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jo ... (Greatjon)

He was.

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Shit. That link obviously contains AFFC and ADWD spoilers. Don't click it if you haven't read etc etc

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Geeze, AP being Greatjon makes things... awkward for me.

No clue what LH means but GJU is obvious enough.

Except, confirm/deny, I didn't think Greatjon was AT the Red Wedding.

- He was, but don't go on the link Nexus linked, spoilers.

No, fuck this shit. Vagueness do not help the town.

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I don't necessarily like MS for scum, but I won't mourn his passing.

Also, the difference between myself and Venmar, Macmollie, is that I at least try to give the impression I give a shit. Venmar doesn't give that impression at all.

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I do give a shit, ftr.

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When was the last time a Dayvig was actually a real thing and it was public? I'm struggling to remember.

Need to look at the reactions, but anyone saying MS has to be scum is probably stupid. Bad, yes, scum, i'd say not.

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No. I'm not going to either, because I don't do reads list.

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Well, I don't see why I should change my style of play just to suit you so.

I can, if you are really desperate, give you a list of 3 town imo and then a vague idea of scum, but I haven't got enough scum reads solidified yet.

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That is also my usual solution to people whining about wanting reads - i'll do a minor compromise.

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town - tierce, cdb, dekes

scum - probably KA, venmar and idk

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I feel like Nexus far too easily flips his reads upon light of a claim.

Isn't this what most people do?

Surely you should be saying this about everyone who unvoted when KA claimed? They're changing their reads in light of a claim. Particularly those who jumped on a different wagon straightaway.

The rest of your post is just you saying things that I can't particularly argue against, and using my scum game as Breaking Bad is cute but this is the way I've spent the last year or so playing, scum or town so.

The fact that you're absolutely adamant that I'm scum, and wasted your time making that post, but don't seem to be looking at other candidates is worrying.

Desperado's jump is horrific.

I would like to discuss the merits of scum/town replacing out at some point, but either way it's a dick move by KA, and it only serves to cause more confusion.

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Newbie game where I insult people and am confident and right and TOWN

Upick game where I insult people and am sort of confident and TOWN

Blablah aggressive and TOWN

Aggressiveish and SCUM OMG

Lurky as fuck and SCUM

Also there's Ponybash where I was lurky as fuck and TOWN and then Breaking Bad where I was confident and SCUM

So like, using one game as meta is dumb. I've got three TOWN games where I go hypo aggressive and two SCUM games so it's not indicative of alignment.

Done with this argument not, going to work, BYE

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Oh wait I was scum in Ponybash but I was still LURKY AS FUCK

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Reckoner totally ignored my questions and wanted to put me out there as the dayvigger so whatever, he's prob scums.

who the fuck are you?

I hope that's a "who the fuck are you" in regards to the site, rather than in regards to this game, because if you didn't know who he was re: the game, that would mean you weren't reading the game, and that would be very naughty indeed.

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Fucking hell Reck. Keep up. Make it at least look like you give a shit.

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vla for the weekend.

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Yes, jesus fucking christ.

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Metal Sonic claimed dayvig and faux dayvigged Amrun
Killer Apple got run up, rage quit and replaced out.

They are the two key events of the game thus far.

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Now if you don't mind, I have sunshine to enjoy.

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Hi I am here sort of.

I was thinking about it over the weekend, and CDB's insistence on calling me town is beginning to ping my scumdar.

I will give more thoughts when I'm less swamped.

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I agree that context is important, so why did you ignore the broader context of Nexus' previous treatment of "bad players?" He clearly thinks that bad = scum, and yet Metal's brand of bad was somehow town.

bad posts are usually scum. You can be a bad player and not scum.

I am still not fully with it. Aiming to get caught up with my sleep and less fucked asap.

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What I mean is bad posts does not equal bad player. Bad posts can come from good players, if they're scum.

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*shrug* You'll have to give me time to re read, I've been pretty zoned out for the last few pages.

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1 game meta. Way2go.

Tierce - CDB's video has made me more happy that he's town, but I don't want to let him ride a town read until Day X, so don't take it completely as read. I do know that in F2F he is easy as all hell to bus because he's a scumbag, but otherwise....eh.

Explain what you mean by 'scum meta.' I already refuted that I don't have a specific scum meta and one game is not enough to use as meta, so I'm just going to carry on as normal.

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VoteCount

KillerApple [4] - Ankamius, xReckonerx, Metal Sonic, macmollie

So why are you four voting for blindingly obvious town? Especially you mollie I missed you sooo much and this isn't you.

Is this the usual way in which Cabd enters the game? I find it very odd, and it's pinging a scumdar, albeit minor.

I’ll start with the four people voting for me cuz whynot. One per post, I like mini-walls more.

Ank first.

50 is where the vote goes down. It’s pretty damn RVS-ish from where I stand.

Unvotes in 61 for tierce’s questioning

Votes back to KA in 105. Man if all it takes for you to drop a scumread is a simple response like 104, you must really like waffles.

You say 115 and 121 pinged in 123. But then in 137 you say it was actually a super weak case? IDGI.

Re: 465, does bad logic a scum make?

All I see is killer using the wrong phrase, people pushing apple for it, them realizing they fucked up, and replacing out from sheer stopped-trying-ness?

Also, some lie that is. I’m current on plenty of ongoing games that i'm not playing in too. All I see is a newbie giving up here when they get stonewalled by a very intimidating player.

ISOs are a bad way to catch up on the game

So walk me through the scum motivation for both these posts. Especially the first one.

What just happened? So much valuable information... gone forever

VOTE: macmollie

I like this wagon.

UNVOTE: macmollie
VOTE: Generic

Cadb's early posts in the game were too busy trying to use KA's posts to convince us that he was town, rather than scum hunting. Town would, imo, replace in, check over what their predecessor said, and then carry on with the game. Scum have got more to lose, so need to spend their time justifying opinions. This, coupled with KA's generally scumminess, has yet to convince me of Cabd's towniness. I just don't see it.

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What I mean is bad posts does not equal bad player. Bad posts can come from good players, if they're scum.

This seems like an arbitrary distinction. So back to my original question:

What did Metal Sonic do that differentiates his brand of bad from KillerApple and macmollie?

OH I REMEMBER WHAT CONVINCED ME OF MS' TOWNINESS

THE FAKE DAYVIG!

As soon as it didn't go through, I was happy to leave him on the townpile. I should've done more to derail his lynch and I am sorry for not doing it.

Don't forget though, he was town. So anyone who ran him up should feel bad.

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Probably that he thinks you have a PR.

Predit NINJA

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Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1,

Do you consider all fake day kills the objectively most BAD THING OF DAY 1?

Because if you do you're probably dumb.

It caused discussion and generated activity. So yeah.

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DO YOU CONSIDER ALL FAKE DAY KILLS TO BE OBJECTIVELY THE MOST BAD THING OF DAY 1?

It allows us to see who jumped on him as a mislynch, how people reacted to the Daykill etc.

You're just being obstinate now.

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DO YOU CONSIDER ALL FAKE DAY KILLS TO BE OBJECTIVELY THE MOST BAD THING OF DAY 1?

It allows us to see who jumped on him as a mislynch, how people reacted to the Daykill etc.

You're just being obstinate now.

I don't see how the question is relevant. In this game it was the most objectively bad thing D1.

So it's a better brand of bad because it got reactions? Can you quote the best three analyses of those reactions for me?

Of course the question is fucking relevant. It'll help me consider how you're acting. I'm not asking the question for the lolz. If you don't want to answer it then fine.

Bed now so you can wait.

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Fucking hell do I need a prod already?

Goddamnit. Sorry

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Amrun - leaning town.

desperado, please repeat the questions that aren't satisfying you and I'll see if I can respond to them. If I think they're bollocks though, you can get fucked.

Also, you said that the fake day vig was the worst thing ever on this D1. I wanted to know if you had the same opinion in general on fake day vigs, which, imo, is a fair enough question.

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Nexus, if you had three bullets right now, where would they go?

Reck, Dekes' slot, and probably Cabd, because he still hasn't convinced me 100%.

Reck's being a dead weight, Dekes was scummy as all hell and has dropped out.

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Does reck generally hate being scum or not?

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wtf is an amished tell.

Explain like I'm five.

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Ah OK. Yeah that's a good tell. Thanks.

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Check Tierce's ISO for her opinions on KillerApple/his wagon/Cabd

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[vote]Cabd

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Would also accept a xRECKONERx lynch.

vote: Cabd

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Bollocks. Fucked up my code box. The salient point is still this: Tierce barely gave a solid read on KillerApple, all whilst his wagon was developing. She called him stupid, and generally dismissed him, but never really gave a solid read (at least from my perspective). She then suddenly jumps to giving Cabd her strongest townread.

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Also might be worth considering CDB-scum

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Even without the Tierce interaction, I still think it's a scum slot. The Tierce reaction just solidifies it.

predit: wat

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You make a good point. I'd like to see others' take on it though.

Who are your top scum reads at the minute? Have any changed as a result of the flips?

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Shit.

This is why I shouldn't try to do scumhunting and analysis at 4.30am.

Please ignore everything I have said about Tierce/Cabd. Both Amrun and Cabd are right, and I am wrong.

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Fucking hell. I am playing like shit.

unvote

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What about everyone else, CDB? You've been insistent that I'm town, and I've barely posted since the last time you posted, so...

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...Nexus could be scum.

Don't be ridiculous.

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I was leaning scum towards you when you were hardcore calling me town despite the fact I'd done fuck all, but the fact you're now actually putting an effort into trying to read me properly, rather relying on faux meta from f2f makes me think you're town.

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Because it does.

Seriously, my reads flip flop all of the time.

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Talisa Stark, VT