The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[Ankamius]

Hi.

This is King Robert speaking.

More wine.

[Ankamius]

Those can wait until tonight.

Now are you going to get me my wine?

[Ankamius]

I'm not drunk enough yet.

[Ankamius]

Oh hey, Generic's town.

As your king, I demand this in response.

VOTE: killerapple

[Ankamius]

That's what you think.

[Ankamius]

Are you going to get me my wine?

[Ankamius]

@mod Venmar unvoted reck

Fixed.
-Andy

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: killerapple
VOTE: Tierce

[Ankamius]

Townhunting is just as effective as scumhunting in the end. It's the way you reach the end that changes.

I like using both. It makes me tingly inside.

...Or maybe that's the chicken.

[Ankamius]

(And in fact, we have successfully hydraed before doing just that.)

That's kind of an understatement.

@Venmar Bah, who needs meta? I just peek into people's minds and see what their true motivations are. How do you think I've been able to stay in power all this time?

[Ankamius]

Oh, somehow I didn't see that.

I'll have to go through the game again real fast. I've been too busy drinking and whoring myself into an early grave to think too hard about more than 3 players at once.

[Ankamius]

Yeah, I only have three non-null reads so far

Generic town
KillerApple scum
Tierce scum

Reads on the rest of the playerlist will have to wait until more stuff happens. No one else really is giving me any particular vibes one way or the other.

PEdit: All of these reads are from stuff that's from post-rollback.

[Ankamius]

Mmmmm

Generic wagon
#57-#59

Two main things so far.

[Ankamius]

It gave me bad vibes.

Specifically, it felt like a really arbitrary thing to draw attention to in that manner. Reck's response sounded like he was either mocking that or just using that as a time to make a joke, both of which are null.

[Ankamius]

checkmate, atheists

That's where it came from.

[Ankamius]

Would any response she would have given have any alignment relevance?

[Ankamius]

Gotcha. It read in a completely different tone of voice in my head.

UNVOTE: Tierce
VOTE: KillerApple

[Ankamius]

^y

?

[Ankamius]

All 3 of his posts give me bad vibes.

[Ankamius]

All 3 of his posts give me bad vibes.

I usually come across as scum when I'm town. I play on another site and my scum survival rate is 100%, but my town survival rate is probably like 5%. And then I say these types of things that make my situation even worse

^ I was about to say the same thing

VOTE: BROseidon

PING

[Ankamius]

Oh good, my serving boy is here.

More wine.

[Ankamius]

One of my favorite early-game tactics is to push a relatively weak case to see what happens.

#124 is the result of that.

[Ankamius]

Er

#123

I'm dumb.

[Ankamius]

Nacho rises to the top of my scumlist if KA flips scum.

[Ankamius]

eta2: but the look who got all serious was to ankiamus

I started being serious the moment I stopped talking about wine and whores in every post.

[Ankamius]

Damn it, we're already starting with the walls.

[Ankamius]

I'll post an update tomorrow, hopefully. I've been overloaded.

[Ankamius]

Alright, I promise I will actually have something up today.

I'm going to start reading up the moment I have a cup of coffee on my table. 100% guarantee.

[Ankamius]

Catch up time. I'm not linking every post like I usually do since I'm lazy and everything is in order anyway.

KA #236 -> Top 2 lines are scummy

Reck #239 -> Town

Generic #242 -> This is actually somewhat wrong. The bad part about the unvote was him not trying to push any other case.

Amrun #244 -> Yep, right on target.

KA #245 -> Bad logic.

macmollie #260 -> Looks fairly town, but I don't see MS as scum just on these two points. Meta is automatically discounted in my eyes and the rest looks pretty weak. I'm really interested in the follow-up posts to this.

I'm really not convinced of Venmar's scumminess either.

macmollie #270 -> wat, alright I retract the townpoints from the last post.

CDB #274 -> This post in general is pinging me. It has too many unsure stances for my taste.

Nexus gets townpoints for page 12 votes. I'm not seeing why #224 was bad.

I'm getting pretty bad vibes from macmollie on this same page. I'm not liking this Nexus push.

macmollie #307 -> Huh? That's a really awkward accusation.

tsunami #316-320 -> I'm liking tsunami for town

Metal Sonic #330-331 -> Okay, I'm starting to see why people are thinking this guy is scum.

tsunami #333 -> OH, MS was correct. Those two posts go back to null.

Metal Sonic #343 -> Basically correct. That KA post reeks.

Metal Sonic #348 -> Oh hey, sheeping.

Not reading the Amrun<->Tsunami debate of walls.

Venmar #374 -> Pinging.

KillerApple #390 -> Assuring us that something is sincere just gives me the opposite impression.

Metal Sonic #407 -> Pinging.

Metal Sonic #409 -> This post and the above makes no sense together. You think he's scum, but you don't want the vig to kill someone who appears to be a townie? What is this?

Venmar #426 -> I'm getting town vibes off this post.

Metal Sonic #434-435 -> This looks a lot like scum-rage to me.

CDB #437 -> Townvibes.

KA #439 -> Last line reeks.

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Summary:

Scum: KillerApple, Metal Sonic, macmollie

[Ankamius]

If that daykill is real, Metal Sonic jumps above KillerApple in my scumlist.

[Ankamius]

BTW, #472 is the biggest reason for that.

[Ankamius]

I can definitely believe it just from the game's theme alone.

[Ankamius]

AurorusVox: All my early posts were jokes. I did not seriously claim to be Robert and I didn't soft claim to be Robb either.

[Ankamius]

@macmollie: Looks like Ank potentially trying to push an easy mislynch onto what would be from scum-Ank's perspective a confirmed town PR.

If that kill had been real, then it would have been a horrific person to use it on. There was so much scum on that move that it was leaking out of his face. Also, I immediately assumed it would be a one-shot thing since I don't see how anything else would work (MAYBE 2-shot... maybe), so that doesn't even make sense. He also confirmed one-shot, if he's telling the truth.

Although, now that I think about it, the gambit in general was awful.

He immediately tried to pass it off as him being confirmed town with that claim, which immediately sets off alarm bells in my head.
He basically based his entire reason for choosing Amrun as being one of the three people who was on the KA wagon (which he never left, by the way) and later moved to voting him. He obviously agreed with KA being scum (because otherwise why would have have been voting for him for other half the game and STILL be voting him?), so his entire logic train is based on voting him. As an addition to this, he chose the one person who moved off a big wagon to start a new one, while the other two were in the last 3 slots in both.
He looks to be claiming to still be a daykiller.

The timing and target of the daykill was just straight up bad. His actions around it are straight up bad. I'm not seeing MS trying to help town, I see him trying desperately as scum to save himself from being lynched. Trying to look confirmed town is obviously what he's going for.

[Ankamius]

Because my current vote makes me feel all tingly inside.

Also, I don't really like switching votes between significant scum reads because of helpfulness. It doesn't matter which one is more helpful; you're both probably scum anyway.

[Ankamius]

Alright, Venmar's now sitting in my town pile. That case is genuine as shit, and just a quick look at page 21 with that context in mind solidifies it. The scum reads are just parroting popular opinion and the town reads are pretty safe (as in people that don't really have suspicion on them, but aren't very easy to push a case on either).

Nexus is a good vig target too. Let's kill Apple now.

[Ankamius]

He basically based his entire reason for choosing Amrun as being one of the three people who was on the KA wagon (which he never left, by the way) and later moved to voting him. He obviously agreed with KA being scum (because otherwise why would have have been voting for him for other half the game and STILL be voting him?), so his entire logic train is based on voting him. As an addition to this, he chose the one person who moved off a big wagon to start a new one, while the other two were in the last 3 slots in both.

lalalalalalalala

[Ankamius]

Because you replaced scum.

[Ankamius]

I like how Cabd is trying to diffuse his own wagon instead of scumhunting.

[Ankamius]

All quotations from #563.

50 is where the vote goes down. It’s pretty damn RVS-ish from where I stand.

It wasn't.

Unvotes in 61 for tierce’s questioning

Votes back to KA in 105. Man if all it takes for you to drop a scumread is a simple response like 104, you must really like waffles.

No. The three reads I gave were the only non-null reads I had at the time, which I specifically said at the time. I gave the reason for the Tierce scum read, and the response from her made me return that point to null. That's not waffling.

You say 115 and 121 pinged in 123. But then in 137 you say it was actually a super weak case? IDGI.

No. I said #123 was the result of me pushing a weak case to get a response (which I said at the time). #114 was the case I referred to.

Re: 465, does bad logic a scum make?

The logic he specifically used looks like scum.

[Ankamius]

#245 is a completely disorganized mess. He's basically continuing his thoughts in #243 and it looks more like he's looking for an excuse to start something on his town reads than anything else. I don't see how town would ever make that kind of statement.

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Both the posts he had made before I voted him.

[Ankamius]

Fake contribution.

[Ankamius]

That's the only part of that post that

wasn't

fake contribution.

[Ankamius]

Pretty much. He's saying basically nothing with the guise of saying something.

It's more than enough to push him at that stage.

[Ankamius]

I fail to see the point of trying to discount my original vote on him either way.

...Or again, why you're trying to discount the votes on you instead of trying to find scum.

[Ankamius]

...Why?

I can't speak for everyone else, but I would like to know what your take on the game overall is a lot more than what your take on your own wagon is.

Plus trying to discredit every vote in of itself instead of outlining why your slot is obvtown looks really fake. The latter isn't much better, but at least you would be consistent since you indicated that the slot was obvtown before you even joined here:

I knew my wincon way before my bro Andy hooked me up. It's obvious from an outside perspective but whatever.

[Ankamius]

One thing at a time. In case you missed it, I'm going VLA soon and responses come quicker than reads for me. It's just how I work. You'll get your explaination of how apple is obvtown once I'm done here.

I don't see how responding to each individual person voting for you is faster or more practical than just getting on with the explanation.

[Ankamius]

I'm not really into a Dekes vote and I still see Generic as town, so.

Btw I didn't read the wall on the latter nor will I. I'm not convinced by the short wall since there's a lot of that going around in general.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Cabd
VOTE: Metal Sonic

QUINTUPLE POWER VOTER GO

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[Ankamius]

I don't want to have to read a wall to understand why people are voting Desperado. Can someone summarize, please?

[Ankamius]

no.

[Ankamius]

You should show your work before making ridiculous claims.

From what you posted in your 'short-wall', he didn't come anywhere near to pinging every scumtell in the book. It looks a hell of a lot closer to the opposite, actually.
You're more likely than not making up associative tells. Go ahead and lay them out, since you look like you're just lining up lynches for the hell of it the way you're talking now.

AKA I'm not convinced in the slightest by your case. Try again.

[Ankamius]

You should

show your work

before making ridiculous claims.

you defending him is a big fat associative tell right there

and asking me to "show my work" like generic scum told me to

Your case being bad doesn't make me scum.

[Ankamius]

#923 is so scum like you wouldn't even believe.

[Ankamius]

Lack of claim and just tunneling makes me only more sure that MS is scum.

[Ankamius]

Generic is pretty town.

[Ankamius]

Hammering while giving no fucks is more of a town tell than a scum tell in my eyes.

[Ankamius]

\o

[Ankamius]

Because he's town, that's why.

[Ankamius]

I kinda wanna flash wagon Reck to kick him in the pants

tbf i need a kick in the pants, I'm so out of the loop this game

Honestly, me too. I realized starting the day that I have very fuzzy reads on a lot of people. People making cases and giving me wagons to analyze would make this a lot easier.

[Ankamius]

Oh, and this is where I realize there's a page 45.

[Ankamius]

Nexus is still giving me the eebie jeebies, every day that passes he stays more and more to his scum meta from Breaking Bad mafia...

In fact, Amrun can wait,

Vote: Nexus

Oh.

So it looks like my town read of Venmar might have been in error.

[Ankamius]

Inhim's "Keep 'em" list is good. I agree with 3 of them and can accept the 4th. He can go into the town pile.

[Ankamius]

I'd probably be able to do something if the thread didn't go into overdrive right after I posted I was behind.

[Ankamius]

Okay some reads

Town: Generic, xReckonerx, Tsunami, Amrun
Null: Venmar, Tierce, ChannelDelibird, Desperado, Cabd, macmollie, Smudget
Scum: inHimshallibe, Desperado

VOTE: inHimshallibe

[Ankamius]

I'm not fully caught up but that's where my head is at right now.

[Ankamius]

If Dekes really did target me N1, I don't see how he would have done that outside of random derping.

[Ankamius]

Lalalalalala

VOTE: inhimshallibe

[Ankamius]

Inhim's "Keep 'em" list is good. I agree with 3 of them and can accept the 4th. He can go into the town pile.

Okay some reads

Town: Generic, xReckonerx, Tsunami, Amrun
Null: Venmar, Tierce, ChannelDelibird, Desperado, Cabd, macmollie, Smudget
Scum: inHimshallibe, Desperado

VOTE: inHimshallibe

This bothered me at the end of the Day and I never made it back to post the discrepancy.

I forgot exactly what caused the flip, but I remember reading through that part of your ISO later and getting a completely different impression out of it. I'll stop being lazy and go dive for it again.

...Eventually.

[Ankamius]

It does? I didn't read 90% of her content since it was in walls and I don't remember anything I did that implied it.

[Ankamius]

Yeah, you're going to have to explain that. I don't see it at all, even after a very fast ISO search.

[Ankamius]

Okay, Amrun is most likely town and I trust her read on Cabd enough to call him town.

Desperado is null. Same with Reckoner.

Tsunami and Generic are big question marks. They were my big town reads D1, but now I'm not convinced at all anymore. The Generic read especially is pretty old.

I still like my inHim read.

VOTE: inHimshallibe

[Ankamius]

Also, going to cancel my V/LA. As it turns out, the issue was resolved a lot faster than I thought it would be.

[Ankamius]

5/5 hammer

Would watch happen again.

[Ankamius]

Hi I'm retarded

Ignore me now.

[Ankamius]

Okay, I can see Generic town now.

Off to the inHim death cannon I go.

[Ankamius]

Vote: Anakamius

''

I feel like this guy should go before Generic and Tsunami. Still pondering over that near hammer reaction from Generic, #1716 looked scummy but i'm not sure about #1722. Also the only reason I have believed Reck to be town is because of his Robb Stark claim early on ( or what looked like it ), and wondering if that is a shitty to think too.

I'm just all over the place atm..

Let me know when you come up with a reason for this.

[Ankamius]

I'm still giving reads, I just don't write cases.

[Ankamius]

Okay, I can see Generic town now.

Off to the inHim death cannon I go.

I posted this four hours ago.

[Ankamius]

Yeap.

I still think Generic is more likely town, but I don't object to the lynch anymore after that post.

[Ankamius]

I am Dacey Mormont.

I don't see myself supporting anyone's lynch over inHim's today if nothing crazy happens pretty fast.

[Ankamius]

I thought it was pretty obvious what I was before, but I'm a regular VT.

Ankamius' relations to Generic and subsequent flip onto me as main reasons to vote them.

Both of these are really shitty arguments. Tunneling reads is my general playstyle, and I've been wanting your head for... how long now? Saying I'm wanting your head because of Generic's flip and calling that scummy is just... no.

VOTE: inHimshallibe

[Ankamius]

inHim's vote on me was reaaaaaally bad. I attack both his points against me and he responds to that with a vote and saying the case doesn't matter anymore?

Yeah, scum.

[Ankamius]

I'd probably have to reread the game to have a more definitive answer to that, but tsunami is the most likely 4th.

[Ankamius]

Cabd, if you're scum

I'm going to murder people postgame.

[Ankamius]

Hold on.

Explain why Amrun-flip makes Reck conftown. Hell, just point me in a direction and I'll go look myself.

[Ankamius]

Okay, that makes a lot of sense.

Tsunami/Cabd scumteam ahoy.

[Ankamius]

Why would I vote Tsunami? That's actually a really bad idea right now.

[Ankamius]

omg

[Ankamius]

And now suddenly I see a Venmar+Reck scumteam.

You know, this is the exact type of shit that made me want to wait. The day ending this fast reeked to shit.

[Ankamius]

Well clearly your logic is either made up or just blatantly wrong.

You'll find out tomorrow when you lose town the game.

[Ankamius]

KillerApple and Cabd were the single scummiest people in D1.

Like ever.

[Ankamius]

Haha

Look at how Cabd treats all the confscum.

Just look at it.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Cabd

I was originally holding back because I was still having doubts about the claim, but I don't have those doubts anymore after doing a quick read of that page.

[Ankamius]

I like how Cabd is trying to diffuse his own wagon instead of scumhunting.

...Why?

I can't speak for everyone else, but I would like to know what your take on the game overall is a lot more than what your take on your own wagon is.

Plus trying to discredit every vote in of itself instead of outlining why your slot is obvtown looks really fake. The latter isn't much better, but at least you would be consistent since you indicated that the slot was obvtown before you even joined here:

I knew my wincon way before my bro Andy hooked me up. It's obvious from an outside perspective but whatever.

KillerApple was horrifically scummy throughout D1.
Cabd came in and

tried to discredit his wagon immediately

[Ankamius]

So Reck actually was scum?

[Ankamius]

Enough doubt was removed about the claim when I looked back that I was pretty confident.

Plus I was pretty sure we would instalose if I didn't anyway, since it was blindingly clear to me I would almost certainly be instawagoned if I didn't.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Cabd

I was originally holding back

because I was still having doubts about the claim, but I don't have those doubts anymore after doing a quick read of that page.

[Ankamius]

I'm still confused as to how Tierce flipping scum makes me town. My blood went cold as soon as I saw that since I could easily see my suspicion of her early on being used as a bus case.