The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[Tierce]

Sweet, I'm a doublevoter.

All the shinies.

As someone who has not read the last two books ( AFFC and ASOS ), would it be reasonable to ask for no spoilers past ASOS from y'all?

Fiiiine. I'll just make terrible Red Wedding jokes till winter comes--oh wait.

VOTE: Hodor
VOTE: Nachomamma8

[Tierce]

Reminder to myself that piratemollie and

Andrius

are town, because tigers.

Really?

[Tierce]

What did AV post that makes you think he's Town, Amrun?

[Tierce]

Why should I be voting you? The Andrius/AV mistake makes some sense with info just in-thread. If you had said Equinox-anything, I'd have been more suspicious.

I don't agree with the AV Townread, though--but I don't remember/didn't see what he posted, so.

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The town hunting comment for example, declaring someone town without basis is a combination of arrogance and not having a proper case to base such a declaration on, yet you were fine with this as game progression. I am feeling there is a sense of misguidedness but the concern I have on the gut read is are you trying to back up a teammate?

Oi.

Have mercy on the non-native, my English curled up in horror halfway through this. Can you rephrase it?

[Tierce]

I'd like him to rephrase it.

[Tierce]

It gave me bad vibes.

Specifically, it felt like a really arbitrary thing to draw attention to in that manner.

O.o

Amrun says she thinks the mod is Town. I was puzzled, thought she might have made a mistake/be joking/be OMG SCUM FAKING READS (*snerk*), and wanted more info. How is that arbitrary?

Besides, Andrius is totally Late Walder Frey.

[Tierce]

Possibly, but that wasn't really what I was looking for. I was interested in knowing who it was she

actually

thought was Town, if it was a mistake--as it turned out to be. My "Really?" was a statement of incredulity, not as an accusation.

[Tierce]

^y

Generic, why didn't you answer my question?

[Tierce]

That was a "why". Why the vote on KillerApple?

[Tierce]

All 3 of his posts give me bad vibes.

Not enough. But I am more interested in KillerApple following up the post I just quoted with a lengthy self-meta read, when Ankamius hadn't even explained what those bad vibes were; he wasn't interested in asking Ankamius himself why he was voting him, but was quick to justify himself the moment someone else asked.

I'm extremely tired and I think I'm making a logic jump somewhere, because just after that my brain went "but isn't that a sign that he knows how he comes across and thus doesn't care about the vote and isn't that a good thing?" So this post started as a scumread and ended as a pretty good Townread.

I'm hitting a sweet stream of consciousness spot. If anyone is around and wants to discuss the game, now is the time before I pass out.

[Tierce]

?

124 is AV's egosearch post. What do you have to do with it?

[Tierce]

Fierce = tierce

It's actually the word I use to explain how to pronounce it, so don't worry.

(And yes, I am.)

I still like my theory that he didn't care about the Ankamius vote because he knows this is how he comes across as Town, but I'll need to review KillerApple later today, because Ankamius also has a point about him jumping on a weak case to vote BROseidon.

But for now I need to go and appease Immigration.

[Tierce]

and AV because he's trying to act like his two posts had any valuable content in them.

...

Lord Frey deliver us. Since when is he acting like this? It was pretty obviously an egosearch post.

[Tierce]

Go home, AV, you're drunk.

[Tierce]

Hey, Generic.

The town hunting comment for example, declaring someone town without basis is a combination of arrogance and not having a proper case to base such a declaration on, yet you were fine with this as game progression. I am feeling there is a sense of misguidedness but the concern I have on the gut read is are you trying to back up a teammate?

Oi.

Have mercy on the non-native, my English curled up in horror halfway through this. Can you rephrase it?

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8
VOTE: Venmar

Amrun--what games have you played with Nacho before?

[Tierce]

are you missing faraday? I am.

faraday totally isn't in this game
i wanted to wait to break the news to you but I thought it wasn't a good time

Dammit Nacho this is not how you announce that someone will not be graced with Faraday's company.

[Tierce]

Also Venmar's vote reasoning was, imo, awful, and I think he's trying to buddy with Reck.

Ding!

The reasoning seemed unnecessarily overdone.

[Tierce]

However, Dekes gets scum points for attacking lurkers, especially this early in the game. I also really don't like how he chose to keep voting for a "lurker" rather than voting for Nacho or Apple, both of whom he has called scummy in the same post. On a logical level, that makes no sense to me.

Also this, which was what raised flags and caused me to look more deeply. Nacho had said much the same thing already; Venmar is parroting stronger players.

[Tierce]

Venmar, cracking jokes and flipping tables and pretending to be outraged at this wagon on you (with no actual visible outrage) isn't going to fool anyone. You've made four posts since the votes piled on and not a single one is good.

Tamuz--

gimme my vote back

why on earth are you voting the mod in a non-bastard game?

[Tierce]

And now, a brief detour to the Dragonstone dungeons...

It's actually the word I use to explain how to pronounce it, so don't worry.

Its not tiɛɹʧə ?
I'm disappointed

Oof, that's a mouthful (and more syllables than I care for it to have). No, it's tɪərs.

[Tierce]

*snerk*

As for Reckoner, i'm not ACTUALLY buddying him

[...]

Great minds think alike.

Well,

actually

...

(This was too perfect not to bring up~)

[Tierce]

Prodded. Sorry, I get too lazy to tether my phone and equally lazy to phonepost. I'll be here tonight.

[Tierce]

I should have a new router tomorrow and things should be less irritating. Anyway--off to business.

Not enough. But I am more interested in KillerApple following up the post I just quoted with a lengthy self-meta read, when Ankamius hadn't even explained what those bad vibes were; he wasn't interested in asking Ankamius himself why he was voting him, but was quick to justify himself the moment someone else asked.

Back to this now that I am more or less conscious--KillerApple, you didn't show interest as to

why

Ankamius thought your posts were bad. The jump to conclusions is odd; why should you assume you are scummy when the site meta is different, you are not playing with the same people, and your actions are Town-motivated? It's the lack of curiosity that bothers me; you're not interested as to

why

Ankamius got bad vibes from your posts, you already

know

(or act like you do).

But then he goes and says ballsy stuff like "I dare you to lynch me" and I don't think he would have the confidence to do it as scum, as he seems self-conscious of his image from that Ankamius bit; he knows this is how he comes across as Town and doesn't bother to ask anymore.

That

makes the picture make sense. Good Townread, would munch on (more apples and less killing, pretty please with apple on top).


Let's go back to page 6 for a moment:

I can't for the love of god remember why I said frustrated. Go ahead and lynch me for it.

ok

VOTE: KillerApple

Yeah no I smell scum screwing up,

Vote: KillerApple

Reck and Venmar: what is the scum benefit for KillerApple to admit this? Wouldn't it have been far easier to make something up?

It's scummy because when town players say things, they usually have conviction/reasoning behind what they say. But when scum players post, many times they fill their post with hot air or force reads that they don't actually believe (because they already know who is scum and who isn't) and those "forced reads" are accompanied by flowery adjectives that are empty and vapid.

The problem is that it's

not

. He used that word, you called him on it, scumApple would have every benefit in figuring out an excuse. He doesn't care about an excuse because he's Town.

I like the read because it's proven to be quite accurate in my experiences, but only on the right wagons, of course it doesn't apply on EVERY wagon. I thought the wagons speed and the way Amrun jumped applied said read.

Oh no no no.

Why

did "said read" apply? You're doing the same crap I do as scum, which is shore up my cases with BS mafia theory. The rest of the Amrun justification wasn't

bad

, but adding this? That is a terribly lame excuse to vote someone. "She only joined the wagon when there was some interest. Oh, and third spot on a wagon and GUT >:D" No. Crap read. Crap justification. Bad scum player, no biscuit.

The additional case reckoner has begun to poke apple with is even more concerning. I'm not encouraged by apples responses to what seem decent points. And post 150 is a hand waving away of it without looking like he is reacting in a negative way to a momentum gaining wagon.

vote killerapple

You seem to be attempting to hold a measure of control under pressure but you aren't effectively answering the points raised against you, it's vague and dismissive.

Unlike Venmar, he's being dismissive

and

scumhunting at the same time. That's not unheard of from Town players at all.


Venmar is yet to scumhunt. He justified his behavior and then stopped doing

anything

but joking around as the pressure mounted off him and onto KillerApple. This does not sound like a real dismissal of the wagon, as he doesn't care enough to do

anything else

even when his behavior was called out as scummy. Contrast with KillerApple, who is actively participating and looking for scum--Venmar's posts are just

push push push

without content behind them. See, for example:

Lol, I like CDB, he's funny.

Har har. And how about the content people have been posting at that point? How about the Metal Sonic discussion? How about everything that CDB and Nexus posted? Yeah, let's not bother about that, why should he.

Incidentally, Venmar's softclaim is dull and awkward. Yes, I know who you're softclaiming, but there is no way that KillerApple's claim would make things "awkward" for you.


If I had a bullet, it would have Nacho's name on it. Post 171 is what my I-finally-caught-Nacho-scum dreams are made of (no, #175 doesn't fix it, you should know FAR before then that KillerApple is Town). Can we move on to a later Day where that lynch is viable? I'm asking nicely.

Also, unless I'm co fusing you with another player (on my phone so it's all small text) have you just attempted to vote for apple and then cleared him as town? Erratic to the extreme, what's with the meltdown?

I didn't really think he was that scummy when I voted him, but I didn't mind turning up the pressure. His response reminded me of somebody that I used to know.

Adding to the pressure by an unexplained vote with a guy who doesn't care about his wagon? No biscuit, no bonnet, but I offer rope.


I had another bullet with Nexus's name on it (his Venmar scumread evaporated halfway through #224) and then I remembered he was the one who shared my reasoning for Venmar's vote being awful on his next post. Problem is that I don't think Venmar is bussing.


Don't like Amrun with no sense of paranoia (no paranoia on me? no paranoia on Nacho?), and don't like her and Reck egging the easiest-wagon-in-the-history-of-wagons along. Still, Reck is probably Town if Venmar flips scum--I don't think Venmar would be following a buddy THAT much.

And Amrun? Amrun.

Oh my God, did you just say that people who look scummy in day 1 are not scum and that's why you unvoted?

This wedding isn't red enough for me.

How is this scummy.

In what world is that silly, ridiculous statement scummy. It's STUPID, it's utterly idiotic, he

doesn't know how to scumhunt

. But it's not scummy to say that and you're trying to egg on a wagon on stupidity. Bullet, crosshairs, dead cat. Does anyone care to count how many times Amrun has tried to push the KillerApple wagon on? Because I'm going through a LOT of those posts and that push adds nothing to the discussion.

Why are you so concerned with tearing down my townread of AV?

Holy exaggeration batman. tsunami was trying to figure out

why

you think that early Townreads on you are Townish, and you jump to

this

?

If your wagon is scum ridden, who is scum on it?

Venmar, Reck, and Metal Sonic.

So how can you claim we'll get no information from your lynch?

are you for real

Are you seriously saying he can't analyze his own wagon before flipping

when he knows his own alignment

? Because that's what this sentence implies. He doesn't see information in his flip, because he

already has it

. But you're incapable of seeing this from his PoV. Why?

But apparently Venmar's been dropping character hints; I didn't pay attention to jokes in regards to this. But KA was looking for it, apparently, so that's scummy.

Ooooh boy. Yeah, because it's totally unheard of for Town to be looking for flavor hints, when they like the flavor and

want to know a bit more about the damned game

. Criminal for Town to be curious. But Amrun is a saint and wasn't looking for it, look how Town she is for it!

Not answering that question?

You're scum.

VOTE: Metal Sonic

What question?


I'll also take CDB, Nexus, macmollie as Town. CDB, your reads suck. Please fix it.

Was the request for more of me from Mac? I'd expect so. I haven't engaged you because I had yet to engage anyone and I don't really see a reason to be discussing things with you right now. Unless you want to powerwagon Nacho and that would be GLORIOUS but also not happening Today because people are boring. I'll just get in line for hair-braiding mollie instead.


Things this game needs right now: one new router for me, a rope, one dead Venmar, one dead Amrun and a time machine so we can have a dead Nacho (though I'll take just a trip to after-Tuesday if that can't be arranged--more Tammy is a good temporary (ha) alternative to Nacho Needs Dead Already). Shipment to the Twins, to be paid on delivery. Flaying can be arranged as alternative payment.

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Amrun, mind explaining how my comments are "side snipes" when I explained why they are scummy? And since when have I not made a statement about your alignment? Do you, perchance, want Town players dead? Because I reserve those wishes for my scumreads. If you had deigned to do more than skimming, mayhaps (heh) you would have spotted it.

Nacho--backtracking from a poison wagon doesn't excuse the vote you put there in the first place. If you have limited time, I'd expect you to focus on what you're doing instead of shooting from the hip to "add pressure". The turnaround suits you as scum because hey, let's defend someone from the big bad wagon. We've seen by now that KA has no issues creating idols.

Haven't read Metal Sonic besides sheer disgust at the insults flying around. More when there's less packing to do. You guys are in luck, with three days on the road there will be little else for me to do than spam the thread. Rejoice, etc.

[Tierce]

Please please please let that be real.

It would fit in very well with MS's "I don't have to give a damn" attitude. There was a similar thing with Shadow1psc's badass role in ADwD, I thought the claim made sense because he was really not giving a fuck what people thought of him.

[Tierce]

Verizon hates Arizona. \o/ Currently in Utah, and I kind of skimmed through the day but nothing stuck other than back pain. Will get back to this game tomorrow--Amrun, waiting on a reply.

[Tierce]

I've been in a car for 400 miles today and just got into an hotel room, mollie. I need a shower and sleep. I still think KA-slot is Town, but that's pretty much what I remember at this point. Haven't gone through Cabd, haven't gone through Desperado, and I'm out of :care: right now.

[Tierce]

It's kind of sad when I find myself going wooooo only three hours left.

So--mollie and Cabd, I'd appreciate

cheerleaders for Nacho scum wagon

soundboards in 4 hours or so.

Idaho has a place called Idahome Road. That'll be a memory to treasure.

[Tierce]

@Cabd: That's probably not quite enough. Partial or full V/LA?
Also, PaizoCon is better.

I'll go through your reads and see if there's anything I disagree with first, then I'll play catch-up.

[Tierce]

Awesome, we're on the same schedule, then. Thanks.

(I may torture the scum's names out of Andy in a few days. >.> <.<)

[Tierce]

Tag. Or almost, because the motel has a swimming pool and wooooooo.

Yes Amrun, I am totally stalling. Rich coming from you, Ms Let's Abuse This Description Of My Life Events And Feel Okay About It As Scum When People Give Me Some Space Out Of Respect. What is more, you HAVE seen me being lurkish as Town. Are we near deadline? Is my input absolutely needed on something? No. So kindly bugger off and go do the usual hypocrisy dance of "I have every right to be busy but others do not omg side sniping!" I was NOT side-sniping, I explained why your behavior and attitude favors scum, and when I ask you to answer me it's because it's the only thing I have been keeping up with. Terribly scummy of me to want to continue that, I know.

[Tierce]

< Scumridge Inn scum.

[Tierce]

Have I called everyone town yet? I feel like I'm close.

Pick me, pick me!

I haven't forgotten this game, things sprang up all over, but I am not going to sleep before catching up.

Send help.

Will help me sleep all better and stuff and then I'll dream that ChannelDelixus are calling me scum and be sad instead.

[Tierce]

But the town reads that I feel really good about right now are: CDB, Nexus, Mollie, Venmar and someone else...

"I feel really good about this list of people that... I don't know everyone who is in it."

You got two options: It's me (hi!), or it's me (hi!), or it had better start being me (uhm, hi!), or what the heck happened there? How do you forget a list right as you make it when you function a lot via Townreads?

[Tierce]

Happy birthday, Andy!

Tammy: I was mostly joking about a Townread on me.

I'm jealous.

I know how you function and I know I haven't put out much, so it's not exactly surprising you don't have a strong read. I'd have expected a mention of some sort (I expect you to focus on the people you believe you can read, thus me), but I also understand sleep deprivation and I guess you're still recovering from last week.

Why would me forgetting something or someone I wanted to talk about seem surprising though? I mean I guess I could see wondering why I placed someone I couldn't quite remember in a possible scum place because you could argue that I was just leaving that open to fit someone in as scum as it fit, which would still be silly for me as scum, but me giving a list after catching up on something like 10 pages after being absent on and off from the game shouldn't be surprising from me.

The issue is that it's the

strong

Townreads list. If it was someone who had made a passing impression, fine, but forgetting someone from your strong Town pile when you can just scroll back/check the first page for the full playerlist and see who caused such a good impression and yet is now gone... that feels off. My maybe-Town reads are usually a mess after catching-up, but the strong ones I remember.

(Hint: it's BROseidon. Go sleep.)

[Tierce]

but no pressure

[Tierce]

I'm going to be mostly V/LA over the next four days--so if there is something you want from me before gaming devours me from dawn to midnight, say so now.

Quick thing out of the way:

All Role PMs are out! Please confirm via PM. >_>
Game will start when we get 14/17 confirmations.

Addendum: There seem to be issues with quicktopic at the moment. Going to wait it out a bit and if it doesn't clear up I'll look into hosting QTs elsewhere.

QT appears to be working again.

I don't think scum have Daytalk, otherwise this wouldn't really have been an issue--why worry about it pregame when QTs are fairly sure to be working in a few hours for a Daytalking team?

Feels kind of dirty to use that, but Andy put that information in the thread, soooo.

Metal Sonic is still Town for the panache in his behavior. However, MS, please

tone the hell down

. This game is a pain in the ass to read and it's

your

fault. Stop insulting people, you are clearly not using that as a method for reading them.
I can believe he's actually a one-shot dayvig (guess who is not Edmure "Failtrout" Tully ). But I can't really understand how he was confused by the possibility of a thread-vig reclaiming his shot after shooting.


Aaaand the star of the show that makes me really happy because I didn't have to read a lot:

UNVOTE: Venmar
VOTE: Desperado

Let me walk you through Tamuz's

RVS behavior

actually his entire ISO aside from the proxy dodge:

proxy vote to Tierce

Who is the best father-in-law in westeros?

Here, let's let someone else "do" something funny with this vote so I don't have to put it anywhere.

Does anyone know if Andrius is a bastard enough mod to give someone a 'Hodor' post restriction.

No attempt at content and a really bland push at this game's "bastardness". The game was listed as non-bastard and anyone who cares about such things

will look them up

. Also, it's an empty question--wouldn't someone with such a restriction (fake or real) become obvious in two pages?

ankamius pushing a flavour. I really don't like that, but I'm unsure what to label it

Do you know

why

Tamuz didn't like Ankamius joking around with flavor, especially the flavor of someone who is

dead by Book 3

? I don't, but this was the only person he had such trouble with, and instead of reasoning it out, he goes the easy route of softclaiming flavor = scum, which is ridiculous in a theme game from a beloved source.

Good point somewhere in there, I don't recall from who. We REALLY should try lynching Andrius.

Vote Andrius

More bastard talk, still no care about checking it again. Tamuz is not Mac or Nobody Special, but I can't help being reminded of Mac's contentless "this game screams bastard" in KK's Xylbot II and NS's insistence that Vi's Mafia in Triplicate was a bastard game during the game. Both of them were scum--and it's

not

that the games were bastard, it's the empty remark and focus on that at a point in the game where that concern makes no sense from someone who only knows their own role, convoluted as it might be.

If I weren't voting Andrius I'd be voting Metal Sonic or Ankamius

I usually come across as scum when I'm town. I play on another site and my scum survival rate is 100%, but my town survival rate is probably like 5%.

I can't for the love of god remember why I said frustrated. Go ahead and lynch me for it.

Lol I have no control. The points raised against me are pretty stupid considering I would never be so careless as scum. But I might as well shut my mouth because this post will also be used against me in some way.

Terrible Posts. but Anti-town != Pro-scum

Who's that nut job that accuses the guy with 2 posts to be scum?

Holy crap your posts are awful and defensive against all but completely nothing.

Grouping these together. Notice what he's doing? Both of them are awful, both of them are super self-conscious, both of them are pretty clearly rather inexperienced players. But Metal Sonic gets labeled as scum while KillerApple gets into the meh, junk mushy KillerRedDelicious section.

It's actually the word I use to explain how to pronounce it, so don't worry.

Its not tiɛɹʧə ?
I'm disappointed

Actual content~

Not really.

Tammuz bothers me on a twitch level.

One m, I'm not a Jewish Month I'm an homage to the Spanish inquisition.

Not actual content, because he's a meaniehead and is not a Sumerian god.

all three have lurking tendencies, so I think they're doing their lurking tendency thing.

Nah uh I don't.

and yeah, scum do it, but it's a bit early to grab the pitchforks for lurkers

Its always too early true lurking is not scummy.

This is also not content.


Oversoul fake dayvigged me in Maf.Maiden. He was

a freaking idiot

Town. End of story and end of "you will have to link me this or I will

call Metal Sonic scum

", Desperado. That threat reeked of pork sausage.


Nacho--kindly explain why you were giving a pass for Venmar for being lazy when I imagine you've seen him bring out posts like that Nexus case before (and he did say he used to wall). Seems quite a bit of disparity in attitudes, and I wouldn't call it being

lazy

. Having trouble finding traction on the game, maybe, I've been there. He found it, and he's scumhunting, so I'm okay with him. But it didn't read as laziness then, and it doesn't read as having-been-laziness now. Why did you think Venmar was being lazy?


macmollie: KillerApple was an idiot, couldn't handle the pressure of being told everything he's doing is wrong. That was not scum buckling under pressure, that was a newbie failing at their everythings. He can't know what is MS's alignment in ongoing games, so he was trying to make a general analysis and blustered against the site rules. If anything, we see a player who was not lazy, but was desperately trying to get a read on Metal Sonic, and if he doesn't have absolute data from flips, looks for relative data from general attitude elsewhere. He was trying. Godspeed to the Red Delicious, now come join me in actual scum.


I haven't actually gone through anything of Cabd's yet. >.> <.<

[Tierce]

Still in Seattle. Will try to catch up tomorrow.

[Tierce]

Cabd--you're my strongest Townread, and I needed soundboards because this game is already ridiculously bloated. Didn't really do more than skim through the latter pages, which was why I went back to look at RVS behavior.

I'm this close to getting Nacho's bullet, scraping the name, writing "Metal Sonic" and throw it. By hand. At forehead. No, I did not read your case in-depth. Yes, I think you are Town who is genuinely convinced Generic is scum. But. shut. up. Even skimming is painful. People will not vote Generic out of abuse and insistence, and what I've read of his frustration at you reads honest. Shut up and tone the hell down. It's like playing with UberNinja and I am this close to hammering you out of sheer spite for your attitude. You don't have the charisma to push a wagon the way you're doing and it's obvious you're being lynched by people who have had enough of your bullshit attitude. Stop being an idiot. After RBT and Chrono Trigger, I am all out of shits to give about Town playing like crap.

[Tierce]

Cabd--what do you want to talk about? I've said I haven't really read the rest of the game, expressed my opinion of the top wagons and my main scumread, and right now going through mountains. Curves + poor internet reception do not a happy Tierce make, my mind isn't really in the game before we get out of this range, but I'll make do if I don't feel too sick.

[Tierce]

Cabd: I guess. But Nacho isn't going to get lynched Today and I'd rather not spend more time on yet another target that is going to make this thread grow without any effectiveness for at least two Days. If Nacho is alive on D3/D4, then he's an excellent lynch, but it's obvious there isn't the pull to get a D1 Nacho lynch.

I'd happily talk about an Amrun lynch, though.


CDB: Why is Dekes Town?

[Tierce]

CDB: Why is Dekes Town?

I liked him going after perceived lurkers as early as he did.

I'm the reverse. The game had barely started, it was going after easy targets instead of focusing on what was already in the thread. He was working off general tells with no concern for context (look at how early in the game it was) instead of WHY what people were /actually doing/ was scummy, and that is laziness disguised as pseudo-scumhunting.

Cabd, actually, I've realized I need to reread Amrun; things have happened that may change my read on her, so I'll have to match and compare later. Probably won't be able to do that thoroughly Today.

A Town-driven wagon may well hit Town. Be less lazy; you're voting Reck with no pull at 24h to deadline. Either show us why Reck is an excellent lynch or vote someone who has an actual chance of getting lynched Today. Talking about excellent lynches, there is this elegant wagon on Desperado.

[Tierce]

Did I miss anything?

You vanish for five days and this is what you have to offer at Twilight?

[Tierce]

I can't tell you how good it feels to look at this game through a full-size screen and without worrying about bandwidth.

#YOLO, Nacho. Point to you and I'll take up the Tully banner.

VOTE: Dekes


Amrun has no clue how to read me. Don't bother. Tammy, on the other hand, is a smart cookie--I'm Town, and if she's not in tinfoil-bonnet mode she'll realize that sooner or later.

While we're talking about Tammy, the one point that is niggling at me--do you know why your other head flaked?

My main thing with Amrun and how I had a need-to-revisit-this-read moment Yesterday was her flip in Maf.Raptured. It hit me belatedly that she was scum in that game and that there was a big difference in how she was treating me between both games--but now this whole thing is kind of murky because she apparently actually thought I was scum for a while (see paragraph above -_-), so what I thought was inane posturing post-knowing she was scum is now muddled because she was legitimately scumhunting. But with that aside, from Today, I like the "Tierce is busy and I accept that" that is different from Yesterday's railing at me; it's a more forgiving, relaxed attitude, and I believe Amrun is more comfortable playing Town than scum, so it's a Townish sign.


Nexus--CDB posting a video is TownTown, y/y? How good is he at face to face?


mollie: Nacho was joking. It looked like theater because it was theater. Amrun was calling me stalling scum, I got pissed off, Nacho started trolling.

[Tierce]

As far as my other head. I have no idea. Her response when I told her we were town was "damn" and before that she told me that she was taking a break from mafia. She's really super shy and a low poster, which is why she likes to hydra every now and then, and gets really frustrated with the suspicion she gets for being a low poster at our other site. But, I don't think it would have been a big deal this game, except I went out of town right after this game started. She got confused from my message and thought the game wasn't starting until I got back. By the time I got ahold of her, it was on page 30 and she was all meh about catching up. So, essentially I'm without another head, so think of me as a public alt. I'd change to Tammy but I like my avatar >_> And you're not losing anything really as I'm super easy to read so...

My issue here has two names: Pandora and Quilford. (You could at least inform Andy that it's just you, my CDO is acting up about seeing Snax on the first page.)

From what you're saying--she prefers playing scum, then?

[Tierce]

Alright then. Go sleep.

[Tierce]

I'm hitting a sweet stream of consciousness spot. If anyone is around and wants to discuss the game, now is the time before I pass out.

This is where I am at the moment. Take advantage now if you're around because goodness knows when I'll hit one next.

Why dredge up this post to quote it, CDB? When I'm in that mode, I don't want to spend time poking about stuff that is not important. Anything around that post, or...?


mollie: Why aren't you talking with Mac about me? You've never played with me, yes, but Mac has seen me play in Xylbot as scum and my scum play is miles away from my Town play. What is

Mac

's read on me? I want you to answer this, not Mac.

As for Pandora and Quilford, it's a reference to A Dance with Dragons Mafia. Tammy knows what I'm talking about; Pandora was a scum hydra and Quilford, who is notorious for flaking out and being particularly bored with scum games, flaked out and left his better-scum partner playing with nary a peep.

[Tierce]

[

citation needed

]

[Tierce]

Amrun, how many games are you playing right now?

[Tierce]

Yeeeeah okay. I wanted to say that Amrun is more relaxed Today than she was Yesterday and that was the weight lifted from her one scumgame--but that doesn't even make sense with the number of games she's in.

I want to lynch the hell out of Venmar for suggesting multiball/suggesting that AV was killed by scum. Didn't do it with Amrun in Maf.Raptured and I'm still biting myself over that one.

mollie? Mac's read on me. I don't want this tomorrow, I want it

now

.

Boring. So... that's the extent of your intra-hydra discussion, when you keep being curious about me? (Hint: I'm Town.)

[Tierce]

Amrun, how many games are you playing right now?

The same as I was in Day 1; I've dropped a few due to death/ending and picked up a few. This is irrelevant. Why do you always insist on bringing up such irrelevant things? I'm the most active player, or one of the most active players, in all of them, even including my recent distracted v/la.

Considering that my question had nothing to do with activity (have I called you a lurker? Why aren't you reading--

again? ever?

) and everything to do with your

tone

, your over-defensiveness and attempt at undermining me are completely over the top. It's not irrelevant

at all

for me to be analyzing your state of mind v. alignment.


I meant y/y, CDB.

[Tierce]

Tierce, I didn't say you called me a lurker. I said that to demonstrate that how many games I am in is NOT relevant to anything, including my "state of mind" and I don't understand why you brought it up at all.

Except it is

obviously

relevant to me if Maf.Raptured was your one scum game, which

would

affect your state of mind here if you prefer playing Town and are out of the pressure of having to deal with the same players between two games with alignments that might or not differ. Obviously I'm not interested in your alignment in other games, but it was pretty damn important to verify if you acting more relaxed earlier Today had anything to do with being out of

scum games

altogether. This isn't rocket science,

and if you were reading the bloody game,

you'd realize that. But god help us if you ever bother to do so.

P-edit: I ain't even mad

Explain.


CDB--because I've never played with you face to face and I want someone who knows you well (i.e. not a couple of days or a week or whatever) to give me a second opinion, and since Nexus was acting paranoid of you earlier, I want to settle your alignment asap.

[Tierce]

I understand the general "how good is CDB at face-to-face" question, Tierce. It's the bit about the video that I don't understand, if you already had a "there's only one answer" view to that in particular.

Because I think making a video and opening yourself to facial expression interpretation and etc. is Townish, but I don't know how good you are at deceiving in face to face or in casual conversation/sarcasm/whatnot. Nexus knows you and I imagine is more capable at reading you from a few seconds than anyone else on the site.

Tammy, then why this:

Ah Broseidon should actually be on my probs town list, not on my strong town read list. That's probably what I was actually missing now that I look at the front page, which I didn't think of before. Don't look at me that way

[Tierce]

I've said before that I'm not being rude. I said you can't read me (this is a fact and you said so yourself), and I said that you don't read the games you're in or bother to check things you state as "facts". I've said this before, it was true then, it is true now. I get frustrated because you act all high and mighty and omg Amrun is aaalways right regardless of alignment, but you don't bother to read back

ever

even when people ask you to do so or present quotes that contradict you. It's lazy, it's illogical and it's irritating. Cross-check your damn facts and assumptions if you're Town, and whatever you do, don't you dare complain that someone called you stupid even if they do:

[Metal Sonic]

's obviously stupid and I'm not at all convinced its real.

I could go on and on about you calling people stupid on MS.net games over the past year. Get your hypocritical whinging out of here, you have no grounds to complain if someone is less than kind toward you. I'm not going to sugar coat my opinion of your play for your benefit, especially if I think that talking about your playstyle is relevant to the game. I've explained this before.


And 1131 is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of you not reading the game. My written English is not complex and I've already explained why I'm not interested in your take on CDB, I'm interested in

Nexus's

. Want to go back to game relevance? I want an explanation for Post 993. Why did you make a point of saying you weren't bothered by a quickhammer on someone who you were calling scum and wanted lynched ASAP? It's overkill and it reads like "oh he's Town but I don't care" instead of "fucking finally scum is dead". And while we're at it, where's your inHim read TOday?


Tammy--no, I get the Amrun part, that one clicked and I don't think her play is quite the same either (I had a similar "huh, let's leave this read for later" Yesterday with Cabd and have since explained it), I was trying to figure out if you actually have/had a Townread on inHim or if that was just for show when I brought up the slot.

[Tierce]

Also, I call THINGS/PLAYS/POSTS stupid, just as I was in that quote, not people themselves.

Do yourself a flavor and search your own posts under Mafia games. No one's asking you to be perfect, but the hypocritical complaints are really jarring. I called Tammy a "smart cookie". We've played together a lot, tend to joke around, and I have more knitted bonnets than she does (a grand total of one). She started by being utterly incapable of reading me and has gotten far better over time

because she realizes I'm always Town

. You can't read me, but praising Tammy doesn't mean I'm calling you an imbecile. You know the only time I called

anything

stupid in this game? I said that

YOU

were pushing a wagon on KillerApple for KillerApple's stupid statements and failures at scumhunting. So, again, check your bloody facts before you begin a tantrum with how I treat you and hope that makes you look Town. Just because a post includes the word "stupid" and "Amrun" doesn't mean I am referring to you, unlike what you do, Mrs. "you are stupid but I only call THINGS/PLAYS/POSTS stupid".

I read your explanation, Mrs. Catty. CDB himself refuted it and said that I have as much or more f2f experience as nexus, and more recent at that. So if you are truly interested in reading cdb, why do you want ONLY nexus' opinion?

Because Metal Sonic flipped TOWN. It's not going to be a scumbuddy interaction, and I believe that having knowledge of how a person acts

outside the context of a game

is far more useful here than whatever it is you think you can provide. I need someone with a grasp on CDB's tendency to be sarcastic or not, poker-faced or not, "would-he-make-a-video-as-scum" or not. Nexus knows him better than you or anyone at Baltomeet will, and these are things that aren't grasped in quick face to face games as well as by having a deeper knowledge of the person. Got it?

Why did you ask about my inhim read as if it's germane to this discussion when it is not?

But it is. You called the BROseidon slot scum if Metal Sonic flipped Town, but have yet to mention anything to do with him Today or anytime since inHim replaced him. Why the disconnect from Yesterday? Was it such a minor thing that ought to be forgotten? You don't seem interested in that slot ever BROseidon replaced out, so what was bothering you then that got so quickly discarded, and why?

Context should make my 993 quite obvious. Reck straight up troll hammered, complete with "idgaf" gifs. He hammered as he would have hammered anyone that got to L-1. Such a hammer is obviously anti-town, and ridiculous, but I said "I ain't even mad" because I thought he coincidentally hammered scum.

I still think that's out of place, because

why

would you ever be annoyed about that hammer? I'd expect you, of all people, to welcome that hammer, but it reads as "lol, he was hammered, whatever" when you shouldn't be going "whatever" about it

at all

. That was the reaction of someone who thinks this is a troll hammer hitting annoying Town, not sheer vindication at hitting the scum player who fakedayvigged you.

[Tierce]

okay, laying out some thoughts and questions here.

@ tierce

I don't like your dismissal of nacho saying you were scum stalling by calling it trolling. nacho is a massive troll but he does not troll the game by calling people scum if he doesn't think they are cos it muddies the waters.

This is false. Remind me at a future point to explain why. There's also something in game that I will point to when I have more time and can explain this that throws some doubt on this.

I believe that Tammy's reason to claim that this is false is the same as mine. Open 501 just ended, and Nacho, Town who had a Townread on me at the time, was trolling me and calling me scum.

[Tierce]

Post after game night.

[Tierce]

Smudger is more worried with the political correctness of "Amished tell" than with how it shouldn't apply if he's Town, and was hard-calling one of the people voting him Town. (Checking identity in a moment.) Hoist him up.

Phonepost, windstorm.

[Tierce]

Look at Amish

And I am not debating this here regarding my beliefs and your misinterpretation of a social or religious group. So we can stop there thanks

I am telling you whatmy role PM states and as I said I have notjing to argue eith so belive it or lynch me. either way you be a hero to scum and probably the next lynch candidate. and going on what I have read your neck is looking stretchable

Btw I see I am still L-1, Amrun = scum,

There it is. Even more confusing; he's calling Amrun Town and saying she's scum at the same time.

The claim reeks of fearmongering. Hammer down.

[Tierce]

Saying your predecessor was an idiot is a far cry from saying he was scummy, Tammy. PEdit: /)


"I have an important awesome PR" going to "I will selfhammer to prove a point" is more fearmongering with a dash of barbecue and noose sauce.

And no, Smudger. You're saying that if this goes down then Amrun is Tomorrow's lynch. That is fearmongering and a threat; you're trying to scare her away from lynching you, and why should that convince her if what you're doing is call her scum? For what? For not unvoting you at L-1 because you claimed Roleblocker? Neither have several others (hi! ^_^). Why is Amrun special here and why should Amrun-scum listen to your plea?

[Tierce]

Tammy: ...what flavor?

PEdit: Again. Huh, hi again?

[Tierce]

If you're Town, I hate you forever and you're welcome to stay out of my games.

[Tierce]

Why is Amrun scum? Why did you ignore my post?

Look at me looking like an idiot when he flips scum.

[Tierce]

Yeah, he's going to flip scum. Claim PR, pull a temper tantrum when he's not immediately unvoted, and when people want more detail about what he's talking about, he clams up, selfhammers and vanishes from the thread to avoid giving more information.

If you're a protective PR and you're not on Amrun Tonight, you're a bad player and you should feel bad.

[Tierce]

Amrun being a Vanilla Townie should have been a big read alarm notice to her. And to the Town. There is a Bodyguard Director... but the person who they direct is marked as a Vanilla Townie, not a Bodyguard? How does that work?
Amrun dying over Reck with Town Reck made sense, though--because Amrun didn't die over Reck per se, Amrun died while protecting Venmar, who was the one "dying" over Reck.

That said, good claim, Reck. Nice hammer post.

[Tierce]

No, it didn't make sense because why would scum ATTEMPT to kill Venmar if Reck was town? It's not what scum would do.

Why not? There was a Frey alive and Venmar could catch them. Worst case, they eliminate the Bodyguard--and many players will actually attempt to kill the Cop when they know there is a working Bodyguard, as there is no real way around it. In both cases, it would have taken two Nights to off Venmar, and with a Frey around, the scum needed to eliminate Venmar regardless of Reck's alignment.

Admittedly, killing Venmar off n the final Night over Reck WAS telling (since Venmar was no longer a threat), but not the initial choice of killing Venmar over him.


Fine with releasing scum QT.

[Tierce]

I could tell it was Reck when I saw he was alive and it was lylo

I used to love this logic. Then I started seeing games like these. Would have put money on Hoopla scum and at least one of Fate/Glork scum. They were all Town. Sometimes scum just make odd kill choices or they don't have the kills to spare to kill power players or want to make LyLo a setup or whatever (how would I know, I've never drawn scum!).


CDB's reactions to the hammer in the dead QT were priceless.