The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

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vote nachomamma

To prove a point

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So have we lost posts from this?

unvote

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A handful. Why does it make you unvote? We've kept a lot more.

They were unrelated incidents. I had voted for fun, I pulled it ready for my next vote to be for more legitimate reasons. Nothing more.

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And ain't I the popular one :p

A down day and I now am lead wagon

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Since RVS votes stopped pretty much at the apple vote on me from what I can determine (apologies for those before him voting for me seriously but some of the naked votes still seem like RVS) I am only rely starting to get a feel for who stands out with spurious comments and bad logic. And amrun you are at present looking bad.
My apologies if this is patronising, but how new to mafia games are you?
Reckoner in his own way hit on something that add me look closer at your subsequent posts and I'm torn on the balance of them. One or two seem genuine e but then you seem to also have this tent for a scummy comment.
The town hunting comment for example, declaring someone town without basis is a combination of arrogance and not having a proper case to base such a declaration on, yet you were fine with this as game progression. I am feeling there is a sense of misguidedness but the concern I have on the gut read is are you trying to back up a teammate?

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Sorry for the awful grammar, my iPhone predictive text hates me

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wait

did my two scummies and join date two years prior to you fool you?

I'm not offended at all -- it's a valid question, though way off base. I'm not new to mafia in the slightest, though I don't pretend to be t3h best player evar.

More likely, you are new to MS meta, because the townhunting comment is pretty straightforward and common.

Full town cases are, in fact, terrible, and that's also a pretty standard opinion. Many people here actually believe that sharing townreads at all is something you shouldn't do.

So I return the question to you: how new to mafia games are YOU?

If you see my join date you will understand how much my knowledge of mafiascum is lacking :p

I'm not new to mafia at all, just dot hints slightly differently to you guys I guess. I like to scum read rather than town read, so I look for the worst in people rather than the best in them. A good mafia player can look more town than a bad town player can scumslip if that makes sense.

Your veteran status then bothers me that you have been as loose with your comments, but then again your lack of caring how you come across feels more genuine than some. You are 50:50.

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All 3 of his posts give me bad vibes.

I usually come across as scum when I'm town. I play on another site and my scum survival rate is 100%, but my town survival rate is probably like 5%. And then I say these types of things that make my situation even worse

@BROseidon- What makes Nacho seem off to you?

Metal Sonic is seriously bothering me. He jumps on the early wagon and then doesn't even bother to say anything after. But because of this he is probably town.

Generic is coming across as frustrated townie so... UNVOTE: Generic
And Ankamius is probably town.

While I appreciate the (un)vote of co tide ce, I hate that wifom there apple.

Basically if people read you as scum, it's alright because that means you are town. But then that kind of thinking would then provide a self fulfilling prophecy on the 100% scum survival. Hate seeing that logic thrown out there.

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Wow, my phone typing sucks big time.

Co tide ce = confidence.

This is why I hate playing on the phone believe me when I say I'm not as illiterate as this thing makes me look.

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Fierce has picked up on something I hadn't noticed actually about apple, in that the explaining away of how he is perceived came from no actual need to explain anything. It was more a paranoia of being perceived as scummy and an explanation back to being town through it.

Apple, right now who are your top three suspects for mafia?

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Fierce = tierce

Sorry, when it doesn't to names it's even worse

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The additional case reckoner has begun to poke apple with is even more concerning. I'm not encouraged by apples responses to what seem decent points. And post 150 is a hand waving away of it without looking like he is reacting in a negative way to a momentum gaining wagon.

vote killerapple

You seem to be attempting to hold a measure of control under pressure but you aren't effectively answering the points raised against you, it's vague and dismissive.

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Nacho, for a start you are aware none if these votes you are throwing about are counting right? I assumed deliberate tactic the first time but now I just think you are forgetting the unvote bit.

Also, unless I'm co fusing you with another player (on my phone so it's all small text) have you just attempted to vote for apple and then cleared him as town? Erratic to the extreme, what's with the meltdown?

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III) Unvoting is not required, but is much appreciated by the mods.

I'm not nice enough to unvote, Generic.

I guess I'm used to it being a rule rather than a polite request.

And given your vote on him would I think have put him at L-2, the reason for the loose vote worries me nacho, although I think I can understand the reason for the vote switch given how uncommitted you actually were to it in the first place.

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Hey, Generic.

The town hunting comment for example, declaring someone town without basis is a combination of arrogance and not having a proper case to base such a declaration on, yet you were fine with this as game progression. I am feeling there is a sense of misguidedness but the concern I have on the gut read is are you trying to back up a teammate?

Oi.

Have mercy on the non-native, my English curled up in horror halfway through this. Can you rephrase it?

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8
VOTE: Venmar

Amrun--what games have you played with Nacho before?

What do you want from me? If someone just says "player Xis town" and doesn't given any reason why I find it cockiness/arrogance/self sure on a high scale. It's like saying they don't need to say anymore be ause it should be obvious, but that hides potentially having no case at all for it and the only reason to be able to say it is they already know who is town... And only one type of player knows that for certain.

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Whoah. Nacho, that was totally unexpected. I want to call you town now so much now, but you might just be super experienced scum

@Amrun- I think I've played like 5 or 6 games. WAY different from here, though. You guys actually communicate, which is good. I've gotten lynched 3 times on D1 as town. Can't imagine why

Good point somewhere in there, I don't recall from who. We REALLY should try lynching Andrius.

Vote Andrius

Who did you mean to type here?

BROseidon, you are so scummy but since my one vote isn't helping anything... UNVOTE: BROseidon

And for some reason Metal Sonic is mad that I tried to call him out for lurking. Possible scum here.

Oh and Dekes might be town I think.

But this is again contradictory. You think a player is scum, yet because you werent able to sell it to the rest you unvoted. You say your one vote isnt helping anything, that feels like a self image comment, but if I'm wrong please correct me.

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Actually Generic, I thought about it and BROseidon is town. 80% of the time when people post scummy things D1 they are town. And my D1 reads are usually off for scum. Currently scanning to see who is deserving of a vote. It amazes me how town you are though.

It is a good point you make about town seeming scummier day 1, I have theorised a good scum player will always be more pro town in early gameplay than a stage townies. Town players are less interested in loose comments in posts as their mind is on the scum hunt, so I see a logic there.
But your flip flopping opinions are not only here to decipher but also aren't helping your defence. Just when I think you might be explaining something you almost have a mini implosion and one out with something that isn't in line with the things you said recently before.

And if the last bit of that paragraph was aimed at me I'm not sure if that was a compliment or shock :p

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A stage = average

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I like macmollies push, I second that request to respond.

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Ladies and gentlemen, it is my honour to present the

Lollys Stokeworth Award for Silliest Idea In The Thread

jointly to

KillerApple and Generic

for their masterful piece of performance-art lunacy,

the Town-Players-Are-Trying-Too-Hard-To-Help-The-Town-On-Day-1-Thereby-Making-The-Scum-Look-Townier Theorem

! Please accept your coveted prize: The opportunity to take long, hard bath with yourselves and actually think about what you've asserted. Congratulations and better luck next time to all the other worthy entrants.

Oh gosh, I mean I was just so happy to be no instead against such worthy people... *sob*.... But to be recognised like this by my peers, it's such an honour... I don't really have a speech prepared, but I would firstly like to thank satan for always being there for me.....

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No instead = nominated

Fucking phone won't even let me joke coherently

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Apologies for this lazy request, but since I've been a bit out of the loop over the weekend, can someone briefly summarise the case against metal sonic?

It appears to have some momentum and I'm intrigued as to why.

Otherwise when I have time later I will Iso his posts and see for myself.

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I'm here, sorry I was reading through your very good case for metal. I was about to post a larger reasoning behind this but then I read metals responses and thought'he ain't bothering, why should I?'

unvote,
Vote:metal sonic

A good point was raised about apple, after that very dodgy set of posts he kept clearly scumhunting in the middle of that wagon on him. Much more pro town attitude, and metal seems to think he can coast abusively and offer nothing to the hunt.

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Everybody is scum, nothing to do with your meltdown under pressure.

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If its a real tactic then metal sonic wont be mafia. Stupid, certainly, but not mafia.

He would be at worst be neutral and at best our day vig.

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That was an interesting acceptance without question apple. You are sure the kill is going through then?
For all we know this is a tactical piece of bullshit from metal sonic to force an error or information out of a player who thinks he is now about to die and you immediately assume he is telling the truth?

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I did say metal sonic is bullshitting. He is exhibiting all the obvious tells of a person panicking and trying to mask it with bravado.

Call enough people names and hope to bully your way out of the shit. Epic fail.

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Sonic

Why does the vote come down in 354 when you already have your vote on apple? Did you forget your vote existed or something?

CONFIRM VOTE

401: Explain to me how KA was being a dick, I don’t see it.

METAL SONIC IS DEFINITELY SCUM! -- Metal Sonic has 1 post.

407, Does your second line sill stand? Because I’m not gonna fuck you over.

Not anymore

409: But “who appears to be VT” means you are pretty damn sure he’s town. What changed your mind in literally ONE POST?!?

I was gonna back off sooner or later

486 BACK THE FUCK UP why isn’t KA red in your “VCA” when you’re fucking voting apple?

the VCA meant to highlight the supreme wagon hoppers = those in red. KA didnt "super wagon hop" and thus is not in red. and I will back off on him scum for now, especially with <3 Cabd here

UNVOTE: Cabd

VOTE: Generic


Amrun gets a free pass today because he provided reads

I have only 1 shot, unless wagon doesnt go through or if lynch on me going through I will

kill Generic

Extra scummy scumtells and the way he discredited me as being "fake" is totally scummy, not to mention rude


i'll provide a case <some time soon>(damn long essays)

but iso generic please

It's funny, I said you might be bullshitting for reaction... And look, amrun is still alive.

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If you really are a day vig, you might want to actually scumhunting rather than vendetta hunt. You are useless to the town throwing attitude around and threatening to kill everyone who suspects you.

That's why I think you are scum. You have yet to prove me wrong.

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Post 127 and 140 are posts where I comment on killer apple with concern followed by an eventual vote at 168. I didn't leap on anything.

And your vote came from firstly asking for the case against you which killer apple obliged with. You know, the one you call town just cos they changed their mind about you. I asked because you must have done something to warrant such attention, because being a pathetic Internet bully isn't always indicative of scum, just self esteem issues.
I put my vote on when I felt the case had merits. You are tossing around the kill threat like a serial killer so I have no reason to believe in both your analytical abilities or your general mafia abilities, do go ahead and either kill me or case me.

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All enjoyment of this game ebbed away with your monstrously insultive and derogatory attitude metal sonic, so if you are day bugging me just get on with it, if you are actually writing a case against me get in with it.

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Bugging = vigging

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Can someone summarise the dekes case for me. Working off my phone as ever and it worked well last time asking.

I am trying to get back into this one as I see genuine mafia at going in finally, all without the need to swear and bully the other person into submission.

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Mafia at = mafia play

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I told you, get on with it. I'm not playing a game where you keep threatening to kill me whenever I point out your attitude or scummy play.
Is it any wonder people have this belief about you? The day vig role if your aren't bullshitting can be a strategic weapon that benefits us, but you threw out the claim to laud it over everyone who steps put of line in your view.

You are simply a bully, do either ticking do it or get on with the actual game.

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Do either ticking = so either fucking

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I see

genuine mafia play

going in finally, all without the need to swear and bully the other person into submission.

I'm sorry that one pinged me I read "scum play"

I'll go on with my "genuine mafia play"

Fair enough, looking forward to the analysis.

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My response to the wall is forthcoming.

The first point against me alone is hilarious. He points to me unvoting an RVS vote saying my intention is for the next vote to be serious.
His interpretation of that is for me to want to stay in RVS... Okaaaay.

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#48 Ok, onto the point about not being upset at being wagoned.
I wasnt happy, i was comfortable that the votes and the cases attached to them were weak. It was only 2 or 3 votes on me in a game needing something like 9 votes to be lynched, why go off and argue with people acccusing them all of being scum because their early weak voting happened to be for me when i wasnt around?
i mean, you wouldnt attack every person who voted for you would you MS?....oh, wait a second, yeah, i see why you think this should be read as scummy because it in turn excuses your reactions.

#140 I comments on tierce's find because i hadnt spotted it. You want people to vote for me based on the supposed evidence you have found against me, yet one of your arguements against me is to say only mafia would use another persons logic for voting... that would mean you dont want anyone to vote for me based on your case. And you know thats bullshit.
As for redundant comments, you have filled the majority of your game with insulting people and calling people scum without any reasons attached to them. At least by asking questions its encouraging posting on topic.

#168 - You can spin it whichever way you like, i said i would vote for legitimate reasons, i gave reasons for voting. I believe you assumed KA to be scum too, although you would have just tossed a vote at them amongst a pile of expletives.

#235 - No, actually i was not sure what was being asked of me as the post i was asked to rephrase made sense as it was. The player X comment was a generalised example because specifics didnt actually matter to the point. You add an awful lot of conjecture here, basing it simply on how he expects a person to react very specificaslly.
In other words, trying to make the analysis fit the conclusion he is aiming to get.

ABout your wagon - You contradict yourself, because if im supposedly jumping on the easiest lynch each time, why would i question the wagon at all? It was very fast so i wanted to find out why it had come about so fast, either it was a scum push or it had merits that i wanted to assess myself.
Killer Apple provided a very good arguement about you and i made my decision on that.

#253 - KA was the first to theorise it and i commented on that, yet you are using this against me and not KA. Hypocricy aside, i dont particularly care about crafting every one of my post to be both on topic and actively seeking scum, im playing a game.
Hell, 90% of your posts in this game so far have been off topic filler just to antagonise or reactive posts showing you have emotive responses to things before you actually engage your brain. Yet you are trying to build a case against me on the few moments i actually chose to be non specific. pathetic.

#80 - Everytime i have returned to this i have found good cases already raised, or am defending a point made against me or answering a question asked to me. I have placed votes when i see reason to and have reassessed when needed to.

Conclusion:
Your entire case against me hinges on occasions where i have been apparently posting filler (see metal sonics posts 229, 331, 339, 346, 350, 356, 411, 413.... the list goes on)
For asking questions like who are someone elses scum reads (see MS posts 341, 343, 405,
For voting on the logic of others (see MS posts 354)

And then finally to something of MS that stands out as completely anti town. Post 409.

Doesnt think someone is town, but EVEN IF THEY ARE they cant be staying at the wedding. So he wants to get rid of people even if they are town.

Your entire case against me is exactly the same as your game, with the only difference being i have done far less filler posts and i am not adding into that anti town behaviour like you are.

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BTW, you might want to look at the plays of others occasionally.

Post 742, venmar's sole reason for switching vote is that his current vote isn't getting any movement.

You accuse me of only voting on easy wagons, yet venmar chooses to move to a wagon that's got more chance of activity... that's not scumhunting.

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Can someone summarise the dekes case for me.

What are your thoughts on dekes?

My thoughts are as follows looking back,

Strong early play, gave some people he had concerns about, A decent summary analysis of KA and nacho too. Particularly like post #233, a lot of good points and rebuttals of comments to him.
Then suddenly he is very different. Inactivity, promises of reads and posts that never come. Then post #734 is awful. Decided to change tactic and choose the best looking of the big wagons (taking notes Metal Sonic? These are things you placed at my door, yet dekes is openly admitting to attempting to do this).

So this is why I asked about dekes. To me its like jekyl and hyde. Wonderful opening game, very strong, then suddenly seems to almost descend into scummy play.

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MS was using the claim of day vig to scare people off voting for him. So if its a lie I don't see how this fake claim makes him town. At best its null, because both sides benefit from it. And fake claiming day vig is safer against the CC because usually its a night vig in the game.
Add to that his unwillingness to name the character it suggests he knows his character will give away he is scum. Of any claim the most important part to protect as town if a PR is your ability. The character is essentially redundant when that is known, so his fear of telling it says a huge amount.

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Only person who voted me based on your begging to the group was reckoner, a guy who tosses his vote around like he's buying a round of drinks.

Still no name claim either.

Day vig me MS, your case has been proven hypocritical, you spent the whole thing saying 'generic is scum because...' Before offering a logic that applies more to your posts than mine, and then try to explain my mindset so that the analysis somehow fits your ridiculously poor push of the idea I'm scum.

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Oh, and you ignored the venmar point and the dekes point. But then that I suppose contradicts your claims against me, alleys ignore those.
Which are you protecting, dekes, venmar, or both?

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How is it not relevant. Your whole case is based on supposed scum tells. But you only see them in my play, ignoring more blatant versions of these supposed tells in others.

And you keep claiming both votes were for easy wagons. Have either ended in lunch? Can't be that easy then. Or do you mean wagons on obviously scummy people... That would be you then.

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Lunch = lynch

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Oh yes! Generic is here! Lets watch him flail against my unbreakable argument where some points cannot be argued against and if he does, it will make him even more scummier!


oh and I retract my vig claim

Typical scum tactic to try and paint me into a corner. And what a surprise, the day vig claim is retracted now it got a few votes off his wagon and people are pressing for him to prove it.

And still no name claim, macmollies push there was justified. It's made him backtrack completely so he can try and make the fake claim for next time.

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For next time = fit next time

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Three scum reads are you, venmar and reckoner.

Reckoner barely provides any actual case against anyone or reason for he vote. Much like you he tunnels hard but then flip flops the vote with the mood of the game.

Venmar spends a lot of time and effort pushing the nexus case, very good evforts too. But then abandons it to vote amrun and then leaps off that again because he isn't seeing any movement on that wagon. Opportunistically moving about, not actually based on scumtells.

Your lynch will answer for me why you ignore several of these other tells on others.
So what's next? Redirecting again or will you actually address the fact you only withdrew your lie when it was mentioned town lie about that sort if thing?
To me you tried to bully the game with the lie, it backfired like a motherfucker on you and you are now retracting while you can.

And you keep on with the onslaught in the hope to force it through. You have no case or else you would let it stand on its own, but you are panicking cos it didn't get the reaction you wanted.

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Six posts in a row, desperate man.

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So his latest things now are that I feared being shot (called him a liar and told him to shoot me), crying like a baby (refuted his weak case to the point he has returned to aggressively insulting me with no actual arguement), and to desperately shine that I need to admit to something I'm not.

Is this one of your first games MS, you don't seem very in control of anything. The more people disagree the more Whiney and angry you get. You put all that effort into a case that amounts to a whole lot of speculation of my mindset and hypocritical accusations. It didn't need over 2000 words to say you have nothing concrete and are trying to fit the arguement to what you want it to conclude.

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Looks like you weren't done for the day were ya?

You are desperate for this to stick do you can null your wagon and flood the game in the hope all your awful play is overlooked.

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look at your join date and tell me

come on its your turn to insult me "you are pathetic" "you are newbie" "desperate man"

The hypocrisy of a scumhunter does not detract from the validity of his argument.

So you admit now you are guilty of the points you bring against me. Good to know.

And my join date? You were aiming for a soft target then, saw a new player and tried your hand.

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LOL, genius.

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Just found the 'foe' feature. Certainly makes the game a more pleasant read.

CDB, I wouldn't advocate lynching someone you think is town, even if he is a cancer on the game with his attitude. Every town vote counts.
I just happen to think he is scum and that's why he is projecting into me so aggressively.

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Amrun, I think Metal Sonic's death would be a public service and I'll gladly help lynch him if none of my scumreads are getting lynched. But I'd rather he was killed at night because I don't particularly have a scumread on him.

This is what I mean. Although I must admit he never said Town read, just that he wasnt getting a scum read.

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Well he is at 5 votes...

Remember people, you CAN make a positive difference to this game.

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You missed where he scumslipped his expectation to survive the night phase then.

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I lost a lot of enthusiasm and interest in this game thanks to the attitude of metal sonic.

If it means I'm lynched ultimately over it then do be it, but I will try to impose myself more in the game come day 2. If I'm going to have to listen to more 'cock head' reasonings then probably best just to leave you all to it without me.

I never replace out but I don't see any need to bother using up my time (I'm a father of three) having to endure indulging and messy mafia play. It's full and the game no longer exists.

And nacho, I wish I had a vig shot, but sadly my vote on his wagon will have to do. Confidence of surviving the night reads more as scummy than the person pointing it out, considering the rest of your post was strong analysis that last part was just a reach.

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Who are you wanting it on?

Cos if its me, forget it!

If its dekes I would be willing, I looked at him (some of that analysis you say I don't do) and felt his play was strong at the start and then suddenly flipped to very scummy. Never got a response when I asked about more to the case if there was any, and dekes himself ignored me.

So willing to move, but I would like to point out I have offered analysis on at least six players in this game so far.

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unvote, vote: dekes

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Can someone summarise the dekes case for me.

What are your thoughts on dekes?

My thoughts are as follows looking back,

Strong early play, gave some people he had concerns about, A decent summary analysis of KA and nacho too. Particularly like post #233, a lot of good points and rebuttals of comments to him.
Then suddenly he is very different. Inactivity, promises of reads and posts that never come. Then post #734 is awful. Decided to change tactic and choose the best looking of the big wagons (taking notes Metal Sonic? These are things you placed at my door, yet dekes is openly admitting to attempting to do this).

So this is why I asked about dekes. To me its like jekyl and hyde. Wonderful opening game, very strong, then suddenly seems to almost descend into scummy play.

I mentioned it here macmollie.

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My vote isn't even on you.

This begging for the vote even though plenty of time has been had for people to see your 'indefensible case' and you are still up at L-3. To me you are after the ego boost now of managing to turn this around against the odds. You screwed up your gameplan, got found out and now you want up go out with a mislynch bagged.
You want it to be about me and you, fine by me.

unvote, vote metal sonic

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Who is Andy?

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I swear to arceus this feels like a blatant shutdown of an attempt on a generic wagon.

Don't let this go unanswered.

Excuse me? I just come back to see you and cdb plotting some random assault on me and I'm to blame for metal sonic getting hammered by the drunk of the game? His voting has been all over the place, and that's my fault?

Cdb has been suggesting I'm scum without offering reason or a vote. You decide while we are waiting on metal sonics reply to vote for me when nothing up until that point had encouraged you to bother. I hadn't d en posted and you tossed that down without explanation.

So before you start placing shit on me look at your own actions.

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I am as displeased at the hammer being dropped so suddenly as you cabd, no matter who the arsehole is they deserve the right to response.

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*raises hand*

Weak case against me that when it failed led to insults, begging for votes and a general sense of desperation to overturn his wagon and gain my mislynch as a parting shot (he wouldn't have got away with it day 2 when my alignment was known).

I still think the vote was right, just because of the debacle of the lynch itself doesn't make it less the case.

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Desperado, care to explain that naked vote?

Venmar offers a couple of choices for discussion, you leap on one? And why that one, is the other your teammate?

Lets take a step back here and assess what happened. Am I right in assuming both died cos one died? And with nacho listed first was he the night kill that led to both dying? It's useful in the search back for clues, who did nacho suspect or if it was aurorus I need to search there.

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Desperado, care to explain that naked vote?

Venmar offers a couple of choices for discussion, you leap on one? And why that one, is the other your teammate?

Er, what is this? Why is Desperado (or anyone) obliged to follow what Venmar says?

VOTE: Amrun

When did I say anyone was obliged to follow what venmar says?

I said venmar names two people for discussion, doesn't throw a vote down on either which I liked for an opening, and desperado leaps on one without explanation.

What's with the amrun vote cdb?

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Generic, what happens to day 1 reads after n1?

Lazy as fuck? Like your naked vote then straight after venmars post.

Easy assumption, why do I have to do homework just because you can't be bothered?

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I did quote your post amrun with the intention of responding but then spotted desperados shit and commented on that.

My day 1 reads are out the window with metal sonic flipping town. Haven't had time to look back over the game, but reckoner is suspicious for that hammer drop, cabd was trying to set me up for suspicion before the day had even ended which now I know MS was town makes his quizzing everyone on whether we still thought he was scum as a tactical play.

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Are we talking about desp? If so my response to him explained that. A naked vote means shit all to me when I was t following him. Even a simple 'my opinions haven't changed from yesterday, vote player x'.

But naked votes feel lazy to me. Just me view

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I am liking the dekes vote, it's the one I was on before cabd goaded the 1v1 between me and MS.

But for now my vote is going here:

vote cabd

You goaded the face off between two town players in the end, using the suspicion we both had around us and then questioning anyone who pointed out you wee loading the scenario.
And then when you got MS at L-1 you got to readying me as a scape goat for what you knew the flip would be. You stand out based in your actions towards the end of the day when you slipped too much.

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I whole heartlessly believed he was scum, I can only figure getting it so wrong down to bias at his utterly retarded attitude, and possibly the tunnelling on me.

But I also made the point of you trying to create a 1v1 between us, and then trying to push my lynch suddenly at the end. It doesn't add up to me.

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Lol. Heartlessly = heartedly

Gotta love predictive

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That is a confusing statement cabd, you had me as a stronger scum read than MS. Fair enough, you therefore voted for me and not him.

But his flipping town makes you need to reassess? I am not touting for a vote on me here, I just find that logic spurious. And it doesn't explain you challenging MS to make it him vs me.

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Venmar, why are you only considered about lack of reasoning with Dekes votes and not other votes that have been thrown down?

I can only speak for me personally, but I'm not voting for Dekes because Nacho died (though knowing that the push came from town is good), but simply because his case was good, combined with Dekes' even more terrible posting at the end of the day and in twilight.

So it's short of sheeping Nacho but not for the reasons you think.

It is, however, fairly safe to think it's VERY LIKELY nacho was the one targetted last night.

I agree on nacho being the target, he was listed first of the lovers. I assumed the other lover died as a direct result, but does the flavour indicate suicide? That's usually the case with the 2nd lover on sites I have played on, yet it's very ambiguous in this case.

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Hey Generic...why did you call me out for my naked vote if you weren't actually interested in the motivation for it? You seriously just wanted me to say "for all of the reasons I said yesterday..." as if that wouldn't be implied in the first place?

What are your thoughts on Nexus' townread of Metal yesterday?

As I keep pointing out desperado, just because you made the points on day 1 doesn't mean I saw them. In case you hadn't noticed I was a little preoccupied on day 1 with matters of my own.

On that, I will have to have a read back, because depending on how they sound in and out of context it will either be town genuinely looking past the moronic attitude to see town tells on ms or it will have been white knighting... I shall Iso now and see what I make of it.

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About nexus, He never goes all out on the 'MS is town' comments, they feel light and fairly genuine. Town reading town is what I would say based on those comments.

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Worthless check-in post. Just letting the mod know I'm still in this one.

Care to actually contribute?

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Inhimshallibe, I was intrigued by your statistical analysis there with the votes and such, not a fan of such a cold method of scumhunting but I am still rather intrigued nonetheless.

Can you explain the bottom part of each of your three vote assessments please, whats the significance of the names and their positions?

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Mollie are you scum this game? You asked me if we could compare notes and I gave them to you, but you never followed up on it and now you're ignoring me again.

that you are even asking me this is why you are in the unsure/need to sort pile. and I believe I did respond I am still waiting for you to start town telling like you promised you would.

No, you didn't. I checked.

And I have to ask that because your townreads are disappointing and I can't towntell if you aren't interested in talking to me.

Now either quote your response to #892 or get to it.

That's a very arrogant statement there desperado.

That reads as you holding macmollie to ransom of suspicion until she follows your line of thought for the game.

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Mollie are you scum this game? You asked me if we could compare notes and I gave them to you, but you never followed up on it and now you're ignoring me again.

that you are even asking me this is why you are in the unsure/need to sort pile. and I believe I did respond I am still waiting for you to start town telling like you promised you would.

No, you didn't. I checked.

And I have to ask that because your townreads are disappointing and I can't towntell if you aren't interested in talking to me.

Now either quote your response to #892 or get to it.

That's a very arrogant statement there desperado.

That reads as you holding macmollie to ransom of suspicion until she follows your line of thought for the game.

I have no idea what you're saying that I did. Can you explain it some more?

PEdit: I didn't ask you questions. You asked me to compare notes, I responded, and you never mentioned it again.

Now you're voting me because I want to continue a conversation that you cut short?

I will break it down.

"Mollie are you scum this game?"

"And I have to ask that because your townreads are disappointing and I can't towntell if you aren't interested in talking to me."


Basically to me its "Macmollie, are you scum because you are not reading the players the same as me, and I cant towntell you with that attitude..."

Not happy with what you are attempting there.

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Im torn on this desp and macmollie argument.

Desp is clearly (to me anyway) being antagonistic in his wording, but there are some legitimate statements to the reason behind the intent.

Macmollie is being passive aggressive, and its rare to see that in mafia (again from my perspective). That's not black and white, and given its an Hydra I have to weigh the fact it could be two spate people reacting. If not its disturbingly tactical, if its hydra indecision then it ends up null.

Either way right now im not sure if I want to touch either of your wagons.

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spate = seperate

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Im liking my cabd vote right now. He hasn't done anything to suddenly make me ignore the points I raised.

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That's a broad question macmollie.

The obvious would be no scum hunting, ambiguous or non committal reads, panic when someone focuses suspicion on them...

Then there is the more subtle stuff, like white knighting, creating the foundations of suspicion but not pushing the wagon themselves.

Then there is the seriously ballsy stuff, like pushing a teammates lynch from nowhere, or deliberate scummy behaviour that double bluffs the reads.

If it helps macmollie up until your friendly then foe reaction to desperado I had you leaning a decent way into town. Now I am more null with regards to my opinion of you. Maybe a reread is required when I have more time, but with three kids I have to float in and out right now and live in the moment.

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Was that something noteworthy then desperado? I know in mafia everything gets analysed but that amounted to three fifths of fuck all in the end. I enquired on something mildly scummy in isolation, you countered with the reason, I accepted that it made sense.
What mare can be gained from that?

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Was that something noteworthy then desperado? I know in mafia everything gets analysed but that amounted to three fifths of fuck all in the end. I enquired on something mildly scummy in isolation, you countered with the reason,

I accepted that it made sense.

What mare can be gained from that?

It's more like you just dropped it until I asked you why you called my vote out if you weren't actually interested in examining the reasoning, the same way you ignored this post:

Hey Generic...why did you call me out for my naked vote if you weren't actually interested in the motivation for it? You seriously just wanted me to say "for all of the reasons I said yesterday..." as if that wouldn't be implied in the first place?

What are your thoughts on Nexus' townread of Metal yesterday?

As I keep pointing out desperado, just because you made the points on day 1 doesn't mean I saw them. In case you hadn't noticed I was a little preoccupied on day 1 with matters of my own.

On that, I will have to have a read back, because depending on how they sound in and out of context it will either be town genuinely looking past the moronic attitude to see town tells on ms or it will have been white knighting... I shall Iso now and see what I make of it.

Yeah yeah I get that, but now you know why I was voting Nexus, and you haven't done anything with it. The conversation just sort of...ended. So why did you call me out on my vote if you didn't plan on following through once you received the information you were looking for?

About nexus, He never goes all out on the 'MS is town' comments, they feel light and fairly genuine. Town reading town is what I would say based on those comments.

I agree that context is important, so why did you ignore the broader context of Nexus' previous treatment of "bad players?" He clearly thinks that bad = scum, and yet Metal's brand of bad was somehow town.

I think the contradiction is scum motivated. What do you think?

So you cared enough to call out my vote on Nexus and implicate me as Amrun's partner as a result, but not enough to actually discuss my read on Nexus. Why?

You really love a misrep don't you.
You naked voted. I'm supposed to assume there is a reason behind it because your laziness should spark my need to homework you?
And timing wise it came after Venmar offered two names I believe (not amrun) so naked voting immediately after that option was given and I'm supposed to know you meant something else behind it.

I had other things to hold my attention day 1, ms tunnelling the hell out of me for one. So to me yes the topic was do e because your laziness had to be redacted by a follow up explanation.

You have a paranoia issue desperado. Is that panic or do you just have no big leads and are flapping?

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You mean the nexus lead you just dropped to omgus macmollie?

Your case against nexus revolves around him scum hunting based on his opinion of the posts of others and only limiting the language to bad or how he felt about the post. Yet he didn't scum read MS for having bad posts. So your point is he must be scum because he didn't find a town player scummy when he found less popular wagons scummier because of bad posts?

A mafia player who is not interested in a player everyone disliked and nobody seems to be being chastised over the lynching of to favour a push on... one other player that I can see? And even in that 224 post he actually says at the time he is happy with killer apple or MS to be lynched.

Yet you are so keen for me to analyse this single point case on nexus that you cant even commit to the vote... This is panic deperado, you took a route you are now trying to climb out of with your pride in tact.

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So when I stop voting Nexus the lead goes away?

Yes, the case on Nexus revolves around his ISO being filled with scumreads that come from players doing bad things, but then Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1, but Nexus says he's bad but town? It's a scum motivated contradiction.

I don't even know what you're implying in your last line. I can't even commit to the vote? How do you figure that?

And please explain how that's me OMGUSing mollie when I started the conversation by FOSing her, and she is pretty blatantly making up her meta read on me? She's approaching me as if she knows what town desperado looks like but there's really no way for her to know that for sure. You know how else I know she hasn't actually researched my meta? She thinks I'm terrible at playing scum.

You are so keen for me to return to this lead you seem to think is cast iron against nexus, but you have abandoned it in favour of voting mollie. And it's OMGUS cos you may have started poking at mollie with suspicious intent, but you conveniently only voted after she voted you.

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Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1,

Do you consider all fake day kills the objectively most BAD THING OF DAY 1?

Because if you do you're probably dumb.

It caused discussion and generated activity. So yeah.

The only thing it accomplished was getting him lynched. Can you point to some good discussion and activity that it generated?

PEdit: Generic, are you saying that I can't have multiple reads? I don't understand what you're criticizing exactly. I haven't even come close to abandoning it, what gave you that idea

And what is "convenient" about it? I started poking her with suspicious intent (that's what scumhunting is) and because she immediately voted me I no longer get to vote her without it being labeled OMGUS? What do you consider her vote?

You flit though from so tunnelled over it I must make comment on it cos you demanded it so, to considering macmollie the utter threat.

Which is the stronger case you have desperado?

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That's a good point, where is dekes? Has he posted to comment on the suspicion?

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I'm afraid I have given up trying to read wall text wars, what's the latest vote count?

Can't find a dekes response anywhere either, so

vote dekes

See if he might say hi now...

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Super generic?

You flatter me amrun

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The desp vs macmollie bitch slapping text really messed the flow. Where are we at? Still no dekes, I still can't decide if desp vs macmollie is town vs scum or town vs town.

And yeah that's where I'm at.

Desperado and macmollie, what is your read on dekes?

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I agree with amrun, tierce and tsunami, you and macmollie not so much.

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I'm not a fan of people who defend themselves as town by saying 'look at my meta'.

They are the people who know to mix up their play. The predictable ones don't even consider their play style is unchanging.

To say 'others know I'm town because they have seen how I play as scum' is either you admitting you are so obvious you will never win another game as scum, or you know that's just an excuse to get cleared as town here. Not buying it.

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V/LA for personal issues, will update Sunday

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Sorry guys, been neglecting this but will catch up at the first opportunity. RL stuff I'm afraid taking priority.

Bear with me unless I am needing to address something directly aimed towards me?

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Well I was about to ask how I was tracked anywhere then, but I am in the process of reading up, I just finished a game off so my time is freeing up more. This game I have neglected too much because of all the in knowledge you seem to have on each other which makes me feel more of an outsider, and then there was all the crap with MS that made me hate this game in the early stages.

Next post when I get on the laptop will be a player assessment.

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Sorry guys I'm gonna have to V/LA for another 24 hours or do, really having family issues and my borderline autism has meant my mood has descended. Be back when I'm less depressed.

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While I'm not able to give the input I would like with everything going on here, why is nexus already within claim range? Did he do something recently or is it emerge original case which is gaining more momentum now?

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I ISOd and looked back at the comments of others about this. I see what you mean.

vote nexus

thats L-1 guys, be aware before you make any voting decisions

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I ISOd and looked back at the comments of others about this. I see what you mean.

vote nexus

thats L-1 guys, be aware before you make any voting decisions

twitchtwitchtwitchtwitch oh my fucking god this is lazy

VOTE: generic

inhim next. haven't read anything on nexus TBF but generic's vote is gross regardless of alignment

Whatever reck. The weekend I'm having I couldn't give a fuck how you see it. I put some effort in to look at it to vote before I'm gone again.

How about you explain your hammer out of nowhere vote day 1 before you start pointing fingers at the voting of others , eh?

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vote reckoner

Not letting him get away with it twice. Everyone seemed to forget his antics day 1, and I'm just as much to blame for that, but with MS it didn't seem to be as scummy via of how MS was playing.
But to do it twice? He has to for today, end of story.

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I don't care what people think of it. He gave me shot the last day about my votes, and then pulls a second hammer without reason.

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To my count I'm already hammered, so have fun kids cos I'm going back to enjoying my holiday...

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Everything is scummy to you guys when you have made your mind up. Wheeling the opinion of a dead player, why didn't you listen to him when he was alive? He said every day phase I was in his top two scum list, yet now he's dead you are either too fucking lazy to look at my game yourselves or have a fucking agenda to making this a short day with minimal input from players.

Reckoner has hammered everything going and all you say is 'let's follow a dead player we couldn't be bothered to listen to when alive cos then when we are wrong we look stupid'.

You want a claim, I'm Raynald Westerling. Vanilla town aligned to the house of stark.

Happy now?

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Is there a reason cabd that you have turned into a mindless sheep waiting on cdb to tell you what to do?

When cdb was alive you didn't buddy like this to him, is it cos he now can't question you on it that you are happy for him to make all your decisions for you?

How about you assess me yourself instead of passing the buck

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Confirmed town means his reads on me WITHOUT pushing means he's right?

And cabd can't make an assessment of me cos he isn't confirmed town?

You guys are grabbing at straws now. If you are wanting to lynch me my pleading that I'm town isn't gonna change it is it? You have made up your minds based on a guy you all called town being confirmed town moving a vote for yes and no... You are removing your own responsibility from the choice so when wrong can blame it on a dead guy. Pathetically

Anyway, I'm on holiday do do what you must. You have my role and character. I've votes for who I think is scummiest. Get on with either analysing me or bullshitting me out of the game, cos its not on cdb if you mislynch, it's on your spineless cop out.

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Arm, I think you will find yesterday I suspected cabd and he isn't exactly being pro town now sheeping and Bsolving himself of responsibility.

And I am voting reckoner, who hammered out of nowhere twice.

So that's two. But no, not offering scum choices at all am I.

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Inhim seems to be desperately pushing a question already asked... Excited by the mislynch are we?

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Apologies to all, still enjoying a family holiday so won't be putting any input into this until the weekend.

If you are going to lynch me and blame it on cdb you don't need my posting for that, otherwise I will assess what's happening when I can.

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unvote

Intent to hammer, the mood I'm in right now.

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Everything is scummy to you guys when you have made your mind up. Wheeling the opinion of a dead player, why didn't you listen to him when he was alive? He said every day phase I was in his top two scum list, yet now he's dead you are either too fucking lazy to look at my game yourselves or have a fucking agenda to making this a short day with minimal input from players.

Reckoner has hammered everything going and all you say is 'let's follow a dead player we couldn't be bothered to listen to when alive cos then when we are wrong we look stupid'.

You want a claim, I'm Raynald Westerling. Vanilla town aligned to the house of stark.

Happy now?

You wanna pay attention amrun instead of throwing pantomime mental breakdown posts and asking the same things?

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Looks like I mixed amrun with venmar...

All you sheep look the same anyways...

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Maybe I just don't want to defend myself. Maybe I just want to see who are the men amongst you guys and who are the cowards.

Will serve me well for future games.

Cos lets face it, you have sat on my L-1 for days at the say so of a dead guy, many intending to hammer but none of you willing to do a thing but repeatedly ask for a claim or whine that I'm not defending myself how you want me to.

I got my victory, metal sonic was lynched instead of me. I lost interest the moment he started with the over the top stuff and made it my mission that he would go before me. I got that wish do thank you to the flock.

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Reck you magnificent bastard.

To turn a plan to sacrifice yourself for me round when cdb voted from the grave and win this for us you were our MVP.

You sir have maintained my 100% mafia record. Kudos good sir, now lets share out the wedding gifts

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Do the scummies have a 'vote of the year' aware or 'hammer of the year'?

Recks game winning vote was a work of art

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You mean you weren't scum cabd?

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Have we had channeldelibird's video message in this game nominated for most me or able moment?

Who DIDN'T play that several times over when they first saw it?

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*memorable