The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[ChannelDelibird]

VOTE: Venmar

FoS: Reckoner, Ankamius

Why isn't Venmar dead yet?

[ChannelDelibird]

A handful. Why does it make you unvote? We've kept a lot more.

[ChannelDelibird]

You can have my vote as well.

UNVOTE: Venmar, VOTE: Generic

[ChannelDelibird]

CDB, what are your foses based off of?

What do you think?

[ChannelDelibird]

I want to be cool.

Vote: Generic

Then it's pretty ironic that his name is Generic.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm sure we can learn to get along.

[ChannelDelibird]

I got prodded and I am sorry about that. Catching up will occur tonight & tomorrow during work (if it's as quiet tomorrow as it has been earlier this week).

[ChannelDelibird]

Right then. I've got a belly full of curry and a drink in my hand. Time to attack this thread to within an inch of its life. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[ChannelDelibird]

Ladies and gentlemen, it is my honour to present the

Lollys Stokeworth Award for Silliest Idea In The Thread

jointly to

KillerApple and Generic

for their masterful piece of performance-art lunacy,

the Town-Players-Are-Trying-Too-Hard-To-Help-The-Town-On-Day-1-Thereby-Making-The-Scum-Look-Townier Theorem

! Please accept your coveted prize: The opportunity to take long, hard bath with yourselves and actually think about what you've asserted. Congratulations and better luck next time to all the other worthy entrants.

[ChannelDelibird]

We're not lynching: Reck, Nacho, Amrun, Ankamius, Dekes, Generic, Nexus, Tierce (although more of a null read on Tierce atm)
I was pretty happy with Venmar as town until recently but we'll see how that goes for a little while longer.

AV is not lurking in an alignment-related way, I don't think, so I'm not going to vote him because I don't think that's going to draw him out of the woodwork particularly but I want to hear from him so that I can read him

I'm not 100% convinced on KillerApple but I'm willing and interested in helping to lynch him.

Could be scum: BRO, Tamuz, tsunami

FoS: Metal Sonic

UNVOTE: Generic, VOTE: KillerApple

[ChannelDelibird]

Neither does CDB in the games I checked.

Sweet summer child.

[ChannelDelibird]

okay lets do this

VOTE: nexus

This is bad and you should feel bad.

[ChannelDelibird]

It's not that weird. I think their stated belief that the scummiest-looking players on Day 1 are town is ridiculous but that doesn't necessarily make it alignment-indicative. I don't know KillerApple or Generic so I have no way to know if they know better. It's dumb but dumbness isn't linked to alignment.

Independently of that, Generic is town and KillerApple is a much more interesting lynch.

[ChannelDelibird]

this isn't bad. but you should probably explain why it's bad because explaining things always helps

Sure. Let me explain: Nexus is town.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm afraid I'll need more than that to shift my vote

I'm very, very confident in my read, having considered several recent experiences of playing & hydraing with him and he's not going to get lynched today, not even a little teeny bit. Do something more useful with your vote.

[ChannelDelibird]

No, I'm not going to humour you. It's Day 1 and there are loads of other players for whom you could vote instead. I am just going to say that I know him better than you, I guarantee, and you should trust me on it for now.

286 is obviously not a scumtell, either.

[ChannelDelibird]

I don't know Generic. I barely know Dekes and Ankamius. I've played with Tamuz a few times before. Please stop presuming things.

[ChannelDelibird]

Metal Sonic, more than one person has to be scum, so aside from KillerApple, who do you think it could be?

If you could answer the question without being sexist that'd be super.

[ChannelDelibird]

So we're settled! Lynch KillerApple and vig Metal Sonic. Best wedding ever.

[ChannelDelibird]

Was AV's vote on Tierce before or after RVS?

http://www.letmeisothatforyou.com

[ChannelDelibird]

Although if someone could put a bullet between Venmar's eyes tonight that would be much appreciated.

Stay on message. Metal Sonic gets vigged tonight.

[ChannelDelibird]

If you have a problem with claiming in this position why would you put potentially deductible clues out there? Town aren't more likely to understand them than scum. I can't decide whether I think it's more likely to come from town or from scum proud of their clever fakeclaim, though.

Also, Apple, realism. I don't know if you are deliberately affecting this confident persona in the hopes that it will somehow avoid you being lynched but you look silly, not self-assured, by declaring that Venmar is going to be lynched rather than you. The vote count is super lopsided. Rrrrr.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm wavering a little in how sure I am but I'd still be pretty happy with a lynch-KillerApple vig-MetalSonic approach, I think.

People arguing over how many scumgroups there are should feel bad.

[ChannelDelibird]

Fuck this.

UNVOTE: KillerApple
VOTE: Metal Sonic

At least

pretend

to give even the most fleeting shit about other people's alignments. Arrogantly bleating on about how every vote on you has exposed the voter as scum is helping the town in precisely zero ways.

I challenge you to make a post of 50 words or more in which you do not once mention (even obliquely) any votes on you.

[ChannelDelibird]

Confirm vote: Metal Sonic

[ChannelDelibird]

actually fuck this

Daykill:Amrun

if you are town, final reads on everyone

if you're scum gg

[ChannelDelibird]

I don't really have anything else to say until the mod confirms whether or not the dayvig is real but, Metal Sonic, courteousness is in the rules.

[ChannelDelibird]

We're all rooting for you, AV! You can do it!

[ChannelDelibird]

I just want him to die ;_;

UNVOTE: Metal Sonic
VOTE: Tamuz

[ChannelDelibird]

I want to lynch someone whom I'm more confident is scum. I want Metal Sonic to be brutally and unrepentantly vigged. That was always the plan, really. Only reason I voted him in the first place was because KillerApple looked more town and I was getting annoyed.

[ChannelDelibird]

Summary

[ChannelDelibird]

UNVOTE: Desperado
VOTE: Venmar

Gonna reread some things.

[ChannelDelibird]

That reread is happening tomorrow, just a quick post before bed on where I am:

Both KillerApple and Metal Sonic are both in the "oh, fuck, I've changed my opinion about a million times and now I don't even know what their alignments are because all I can think about is how much easier this game would be if they were both dead" category. So I'd pretty much jump on either of their lynches like Fritzler on a Bad Idea just for the sake of reducing my headaches and then get down on my knees and beg for someone to nightkill the other. But I should probably develop some more solid scumreads in the meantime if I can. I did have the beginnings of them, somewhere, before all this bullshit happened. Ah, those were such simple times ... I wonder if we'll ever be that happy again.

[ChannelDelibird]

This game was

fun

about eight pages ago. I blame, in descending order: Metal Sonic, KillerApple, Cabd, Metal Sonic, macmollie, Cabd and Amrun.

Nexus is town. You can take that, roll it up, sling it over your shoulder, take it out to dinner and then marry it in a small ceremony on a beach in Croatia.

UNVOTE: Venmar
VOTE: Ankamius

GENERAL NOTICE:

The

second

that one of cabd/Metal Sonic gets to Lynch-1, I am hammering them for sheer peace of mind.

[ChannelDelibird]

What do you mean by that?

[ChannelDelibird]

You've misread me. I will hammer either of them

as soon as

either gets to Lynch-1.

[ChannelDelibird]

"The second

that

one" not "The second one"

[ChannelDelibird]

Andrius' Mafia RuleSet

ONE: FUNDAMENTALS

IV) Be courteous and respectful to all your fellow players and the moderating team.

Seriously, Metal Sonic, I don't care if you're the Modkill Beloved Princess,

read the damn rules

or get out of the game.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm sorry my reads were so bad before, everyone. I've reread the game and fixed them.

Town:

Nexus, macmollie, Venmar, Reckoner, Dekes, AV

Little blips but probably town due to other people being scum:

tsunami, Cabd, BROseidon, Ankamius

Concerning:

Nacho, Tierce

Scum:

Amrun, Desperado, Generic

Don't know, don't care, just want it out of the game in whatever way is most expedient because we shouldn't be having to deal with the insults and sexism:

Metal Sonic

UNVOTE: Ankamius
VOTE: Amrun

Probably not going to hammer Cabd just for peace of mind's sake anymore. Only Metal Sonic.

[ChannelDelibird]

Venmar, vote Amrun with me.

[ChannelDelibird]

Not a hope in hell. Zero. Nada.

[ChannelDelibird]

If you think I want you out of the game because of "lack of content", then you lack any sort of understanding or empathy whatsoever.

[ChannelDelibird]

Why do you think he is town? Is it meta?

Yes.

[ChannelDelibird]

I've addressed the points raised against him implicitly by pointing out, despite you raising them, that he is town.

[ChannelDelibird]

Should mention that marathon weekend is going to continue to distract the shit out of me.

More people should vote my scumreads and I'll hop on.

[ChannelDelibird]

Pending vote count, my vote may move but all my scumreads are starting to get run up so :yay:

Still pretty distracted by marathons but I'll try to pay attention.

[ChannelDelibird]

[ChannelDelibird]

UNVOTE: Amrun
VOTE: Desperado

[ChannelDelibird]

I'll vote for whichever of Amrun, Desperado and Generic has more votes and I arbitrarily chose Desperado over Generic for now.

[ChannelDelibird]

Nexus is town, be better

[ChannelDelibird]

What I'm adding is: You need to stop trying to get a lynch that won't happen. It's not pro-town.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm not trying to paint myself as the arbiter of all lynches. People can feel free to ignore my reads on everyone else. However, on Day 1, when we can lynch literally anyone in the whole game, I am putting my foot down and declaring that I know Nexus well enough that my townread on him is a pretty damn good reason to lynch one of the 16 people who aren't him. It would be pretty silly to do otherwise.

[ChannelDelibird]

That attitude doesn't make you look like determined town in the way you want it to.

[ChannelDelibird]

Amrun, I think Metal Sonic's death would be a public service and I'll gladly help lynch him if none of my scumreads are getting lynched. But I'd rather he was killed at night because I don't particularly have a scumread on him.

[ChannelDelibird]

Every town vote counts.

We'd get over it.

[ChannelDelibird]

I was mostly voting for him in the hopes that it might make him play better rather than because I had a scumread. I find him hard to read and, to be quite honest, I've outright ignored most of his more recent posts.

[ChannelDelibird]

too busy revelling in sporting brilliance to read metal sonic posts right now, maybe later

[ChannelDelibird]

Frankly, Nacho, Day 1 being Day 1, it should be enough to pool scumreads and lynch the most popular. I'm not going to start walling and it seems like people are suspecting Amrun, Desperado and Generic just fine without me.

Unless you think I'm arguing for Metal Sonic scum in which case you're not reading.

[ChannelDelibird]

Looks like I got here...

just in the Nix of time.

I'm so, so glad that you're in this game. Hi inHim!

I was thinking about it over the weekend, and CDB's insistence on calling me town is beginning to ping my scumdar.

You've been pointlessly paranoid about me before and wrong. Stop it.

[ChannelDelibird]

I will hammer immediately and with glee if Metal Sonic reaches lynch-1

.

You should probably claim.

[ChannelDelibird]

He'd better be fucking quick about it.

[ChannelDelibird]

Notice how Desperado put Metal Sonic at Lynch-1 after I explicitly declared intent to hammer and implied lack of interest in a claim, though.

[ChannelDelibird]

Notice how Desperado put Metal Sonic at Lynch-1 after I explicitly declared intent to hammer and implied lack of interest in a claim, though.

EBWOP: "lack of interest in the content of a claim"

[ChannelDelibird]

Notice how Desperado put Metal Sonic at Lynch-1 after I explicitly declared intent to hammer and implied lack of interest in a claim, though.

Notice what about it? I've intended to vote Metal literally since my first post. I've spent my other time trying to get Nexus to answer my questions (or you, even) but have been rebuffed at every turn.

What should I have done instead a day before the deadline? Just kept my vote uselessly on Nexus?

But presumably you want him to claim before you lynch him, yes? Your vote isn't on him purely for general-health-of-the-game reasons like mine is set to be, and I'd just declared an intent to immediately hammer him if he reached Lynch-1. So why not just say "intent to vote, claim now scumbag" or at least ask me if I was serious about the immediacy or something.

[ChannelDelibird]

Well, AV, let's see.

Spoiler: AV's Reads Rated

Tierce - Town

DOUBTS

Venmar - TownTown -

CORRECT

AurorusVox - duh -

SURE

Nachomamma8 - Town -

DOUBTS

ChannelDelibird - TownTown -

CORRECT

Ankamius - Null -

TOWN BY POE

Generic - Null -

NOPE SCUM

xReckonerx - Town -

CORRECT

Metal Sonic - Scum -

DUNNO DON'T CARE

Amrun - Town -

NOPE

macmollie - nullScum -

NOPE

Desperado - null -

HINT: HE'S SCUM

Cabd (KillerApple) - scum -

NOPE

tsunami - town -

PROBABLY

Nexus - town -

CORRECT

Dekes - scum -

NOPE

inHimshallibe - null -

PRETTY MUCH

You're not really any righter than you are wrong.

[ChannelDelibird]

I answered it in the spoiler, implicitly. Sorry I didn't make it clearer!

[ChannelDelibird]

CDB: Why is Dekes Town?

I liked him going after perceived lurkers as early as he did.

[ChannelDelibird]

I answered it in the spoiler, implicitly. Sorry I didn't make it clearer!

so when you said "sure" with av's "duh" read on himself what exactly were you implying?

I took that as a townread on himself and my response was meant to imply "sure, let's say that". I'd like him to get more caught up but I haven't had anything that I would call an alarm bell yet.

[ChannelDelibird]

I don't necessarily think that AV's inactivity is a scumtell coming from him - he's more than welcome to correct me if wrong but my impression is that he's quite busy generally and signed up to this game because of the flavour rather than because he had loads of time for it.

Lots of people have shit reads in this game and they can't all be scum. I haven't gone into details on a lot of my reads and that isn't because I'm trying to make them up. I just don't think it's that weird. And there are enough other people who are scummier anyway.

[ChannelDelibird]

Tsunami moves into the town pile.

[ChannelDelibird]

Confirm vote: Metal Sonic

I want to lynch someone whom I'm more confident is scum. I want Metal Sonic to be brutally and unrepentantly vigged. That was always the plan, really. Only reason I voted him in the first place was because KillerApple looked more town and I was getting annoyed.

doesn't look like you were merely annoyed

didn't you say at some point that want to make sure your vote is on scum

I was trying to use bold type to scare him into doing more. That's why I FoSed him earlier on when I was voting for someone else - I almost never bother with FoSing anymore because, y'know, it's kinda dumb, but I thought I would try it just to make it clear that he had to pull his socks up. I think it's pretty obvious here that I really was annoyed that the guy was focusing only on himself and not making an effort to really look at anyone else's alignment so I upgraded to a vote.

I think he's clearly broadened his view of the game in that way since, although I still think he's carried himself really unacceptably rudely, which is why I want him out of the game so as to make it actually fun. In an ideal world we'd lynch scum today and a hypothetical vig would shoot him tonight, which you know because you quoted the post, which came after I got pissed off and voted for him.

[ChannelDelibird]

To clarify, I'd

still

rather we lynched Desperado, Generic or Amrun today because frankly that stays truer to the rule about playing to your win condition. I just don't enjoy the game when Metal Sonic is posting in it so I am fighting

really really

hard to let him at least claim before I do us all a favour and hammer.

[ChannelDelibird]

UNVOTE: Desperado
VOTE: Generic

[ChannelDelibird]

I was mostly voting for him in the hopes that it might make him play better rather than because I had a scumread. I find him hard to read and, to be quite honest, I've outright ignored most of his more recent posts.

You missed where he scumslipped his expectation to survive the night phase then.

This, actually. I pointed it out originally. Do you disagree that such a thing is more likely to come from scum? I really want to know because I think you're town and you have a way of lightbulbing theory moments for me.

Sorry. Finally answering this. Delayed mainly because I felt obliged to actually go and read this part of his post if I was going to make a comment on it. I hadn't before because :fun:. I've gone back to read your explanation of it, however, and I would say it fits pretty well into what I've seen of his character to write that, frankly. I don't see it as a scumslip.

[ChannelDelibird]

Not even going to try to act upset

[ChannelDelibird]

Well I never saw it as a straight up scum slip, but more something that is more likely to come from scum. Does that mean you find it town or simply not-scum?

The act specifically I find not scum. I think that Metal Sonic is going to flip town at this point, though.

[ChannelDelibird]

Desperado, care to explain that naked vote?

Venmar offers a couple of choices for discussion, you leap on one? And why that one, is the other your teammate?

Er, what is this? Why is Desperado (or anyone) obliged to follow what Venmar says?

VOTE: Amrun

[ChannelDelibird]

How about we don't speculate about multiple kills until we have a night in which more than one person who isn't a Lover dies?

[ChannelDelibird]

I know someone asked why Amrun btw and I will get to that (I have other things I need to read urgently tonight) but main reason I didn't reply straight away was because I just noted her down as scum for whatever thing occurred to me when I was rereading to update my reads yesterday and didn't make much in the way of notes beyond who I had as which alignment. So there's definitely a reason (possibly loads) why I think she's scum but I've forgotten them temporarily in a haze of different names. Large games, eh?

[ChannelDelibird]

No need to reread.

I kinda wanna flash wagon Reck to kick him in the pants

Confirm vote: Amrun

[ChannelDelibird]

If I were a betting man (I am, but never more than 50p unless it's a

really

daring occasion), I'd still bet on Dekes being town. I don't think his twilight posts are more likely to come from scum than town.

[ChannelDelibird]

To expand on 1088: Does Amrun really believe that a flashwagon on Reck would achieve anything? Has anything he's done in this game (or anything about his personality) suggest that he's the sort who'd be lured back into action in a game which he clearly feels is overly baggy if people wagoned him? He'd almost welcome it, like a "fuck you guys, fuck this game" thing. I don't think it would achieve anything other than a distraction and Amrun sort-of-but-wiggle-room-for-it-to-be-not-really suggesting it doesn't show any kind of pro-town purpose.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm hitting a sweet stream of consciousness spot. If anyone is around and wants to discuss the game, now is the time before I pass out.

This is where I am at the moment. Take advantage now if you're around because goodness knows when I'll hit one next.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm around

Well, if you want to discuss anything, say so. Anything that just occurs to me I will post anyway.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm hitting a sweet stream of consciousness spot. If anyone is around and wants to discuss the game, now is the time before I pass out.

This is where I am at the moment. Take advantage now if you're around because goodness knows when I'll hit one next.

Why dredge up this post to quote it, CDB? When I'm in that mode, I don't want to spend time poking about stuff that is not important. Anything around that post, or...?

The post stuck out to me when you made it and I recognised the feeling when it came over me. If I hadn't quoted it, I would have ended up pretty much just parroting its contents. And we at Goal always cite our sources!

[ChannelDelibird]

why are you hard reading amrun as scum

her timing has been impeccable except for how quick she read us as town. other than that she is thinking the same thing at the exact time that I am thinking when it comes to her posts in the thread. I mean there are some sites where she would be hailed as the Ulitmate Scum Queen From Hell for doing this as scum so my question is does this fit with her scum meta?

I don't know Amrun's on-site meta very well at all and I only know her face-to-face meta slightly better than that. However, I will now go back and seek whatever it was that made me scumread here - but that thing about Reck is a good place to start on its own.

and whinging about large games wtf

I only ever play large games on special occasions (invitationals or truly irresistible flavour). I much prefer smaller games. And I am not alone!

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm a little confused, so bear with me.

I've been skimreading the pre-my-Amrun-scumread pages again because I couldn't pick out the thing that really bugged me about her from an iso. Hopefully this is just a temporary brainfart and I'll remember why I felt so strongly tomorrow or something. I can clearly remember feeling when I was reading of "oh, hang on, that's definitely one for the scum pile" about Amrun so I know it's there

somewhere

but haven't been able to recreate that feeling yet.

While I can't decide whether this slots into place as the thing that was bugging me, Amrun's reaction to the Metal Sonic fake daykill felt weird. For one thing, she was talking here about the prospect of MS undayvigging but, I'm sorry, when has a dayvig ever been able to undayvig after posting their kill in thread? With Amrun's post count, she's probably played in more games (certainly more recent ones) than me, but I can't possibly envisage this being the case. I can't picture it occurring naturally to her and I am therefore led to interpret that she tried to use it as a way to attempt an emotional towntell.

There's also the thing that there was absolutely no reason at the time to think that Metal Sonic's fake dayvig was more likely to be from scum than town. It was exactly the sort of behaviour that we could have expected from reading all of his previous posts. I've seen loads of people who play more than me complaining about a growing meta of faking that kind of thing for no good reason so, again, I find it hard to believe that Amrun saw it as damning. Her whole Metal Sonic scumread in general was weird to me.

[ChannelDelibird]

reck even said he needed a fire under his butt to get him motivated.

That surprised me momentarily but, on reflection, the reaction does chime with what I think I understand about Reck. I can see him agreeing about the concept but I still don't picture it being actually that useful in execution. I also think Amrun must have a lot of other, more important, things to do at this point in the game. It's not as if Reck is a sizeable proportion of the town; there are still loads of us. I don't like it at all.

[ChannelDelibird]

What I will admit is that Amrun's early Day 1 play looks a bit townier than I remember (roughly up towards the midpoint of the time during which her vote was on KillerApple, to be riskily and guessily precise). I'm less convinced tonight than I was before. But I know there was

something

, some post somewhere that made me go "definitely in the scum pile". I hope I'll find it again soon, even if I am able to see it differently this time. I just want to pin down my own thoughts for clarity's sake.

[ChannelDelibird]

Reck not even knowing who was pretending to be dayvigged isn't a distraction, but suggesting he buck up, yeah that's a fucking distraction. Give me a break.

Reck not knowing who faked dayvig was a distraction for him, not for everyone. A "let's prod the townread!" wagon would be a distraction for everyone.

P-edit: oh come on. A) if his role is real it's unlikely he'd be able to undayvig, but b) much more likely he was fake claiming and trying to keep the claim alive because he knew I wasn't going to die which I found scummy as fuck. One of the main reasons I stuck doggedly to my scum read all day long because he kept trying to keep the ruse alive. Plus I didn't think I was the target he'd really pick as town, even for a reaction test.

But if he were faking as town for a reaction why would you expect him to "undayvig" but maintain the claim? That's not how town play that gamble. They'd just say "nope not a dayvig but good reactions I'm so great" when they were done with it, which is of course what he did do even if he was late on deciding he was done with it - and, I'm sorry, but he was so obviously enough of an arse to do that as town. He's all about selfish theatrics, which is not an alignment tell. Your continued and vehement scumread on him did not carry sufficient self-doubt of that nature.

What is this shit about "there is other town than Reck." Um, yes? He's the most useless of them all. What does that statement even mean? Am I supposed to focus on the whole town equally? Wut?

Not what I'm saying, though poorly put across, I'll admit. What I'm trying to say is that, though Reck might be a straggler, it's not as if the game is being killed by his inactivity. There's plenty enough going on that abandoning all of it to ostentatiously prod him is simply unnecessary. Hell, just get an actual scumread to lynch-1 and wait for him to practicality-hammer.

I'm frustrated with you, cdb, but as scum you'd probably have a more concrete reason than "idk lol"

Let's say yes.

[ChannelDelibird]

goddammit you made me wall

I don't want to wall

[ChannelDelibird]

Nexus--CDB posting a video is TownTown, y/y? How good is he at face to face?

Did you mean to write "y/y" here or was it supposed to be "y/n"?

[ChannelDelibird]

Then why did you need to ask?

[ChannelDelibird]

We obviously disagreed and I was wrong in the end, but if you think, what, that I was scared to unvote as scum or something? I don't really understand your logic here.

What I'm getting at is that you seemed to be pushing for an easy lynch using a convenient scumread on a player who was aggravating people. If you'd just said "Metal Sonic is an annoying idiot, let's lynch him," I'd be more likely to believe you.

I'll think about it more, though. If I don't find the 'wham' post that made up my mind before, I'll need to reconsider my priorities as a result. There have certainly been doubts introduced to my mind tonight.

Think you've misread me ever so slightly on Reck but not maliciously so can't be arsed to pursue, it's getting late.

[ChannelDelibird]

I understand the general "how good is CDB at face-to-face" question, Tierce. It's the bit about the video that I don't understand, if you already had a "there's only one answer" view to that in particular.

Anyway, there is a slight difference between someone who's played with me face-to-face and someone who knows me well. Nexus certainly knows me better than basically anyone else on the site but, for example, Amrun has probably played an equal or slightly greater amount of face-to-face mafia with me (and more recently). That's only a quibble, though. My link in 909 remains notable re: Nexus's paranoia.

[ChannelDelibird]

Fair enough, I suppose.

Anyway, I hereby declare the CDB Mafia Sweet-Spot Zone officially closed for bed.

[ChannelDelibird]

Mollie: I'd rather just play as normal, thanks.

[ChannelDelibird]

VCA seems

preeeeetty

unlikely to be of much use with so few flips.

[ChannelDelibird]

You're weird, inHim.

[ChannelDelibird]

In the interest of making something happen:

UNVOTE: Amrun
VOTE: Dekes

[ChannelDelibird]

Not even bothering to skim posts over a certain length, FYI.

[ChannelDelibird]

Global post: Between tomorrow (19th) and probably the 23rd (TBC) I *may* have limited access. Should be stable internet where I'm going but won't know how good it is until I get there.

[ChannelDelibird]

Just vote Dekes

[ChannelDelibird]

Dear oh dear. Sorry, I'm busy but not too busy for a full stop. I have standards to maintain...

[ChannelDelibird]

Read the above & considered it seriously. Still think Nexus is town.

[ChannelDelibird]

Yep.

[ChannelDelibird]

Nexus asked you that, Reck. #pedantry #standupagainstcricketracism

[ChannelDelibird]

Claimclaimclaim

[ChannelDelibird]

Would have wanted

someone

to hammer, just not you. Agree with Tierce.

[ChannelDelibird]

cabd, amrun, cdb and desp who are your top 3 scum reads.

Provisionally: Smudger, Desperado, Generic but I'm going to reread again overnight/start of Day 3 after having the confidence in my Amrun read questioned + in the light of whatever Smudger's flip is.

[ChannelDelibird]

Tierce strikes me as a great flip. Looking forward to digging into her interactions - I probably won't be able to do so until Friday, however, as I will be working and travelling all day tomorrow.

[ChannelDelibird]

I promise I'll look back

really attentively

at Nexus. This page is pretty null, though.

[ChannelDelibird]

As stated at the end of yesterday, Desperado and Generic are my standing scumreads but I need to reread in light of the new flips and I haven't had a chance to do that while away over the last few days. And I've been insistent that you're town because you've been my strongest townread and people have been constantly questioning it (and, er, seeing as I said the last page was null from you rather than town, I'm not sure why you're pointing out your posting rate relative to mine in that case).

[ChannelDelibird]

Semantics.

[ChannelDelibird]

For the love of god don't lynch Nexus until I get a chance to reread him & Tierce. I might or might not get round to it tonight (I'm tired from travelling and my head's in other games) but just sayin', don't let anyone lulzily hammer until I've reevaluated him.

[ChannelDelibird]

Game feels smaller than it used to and wagon feels like it's moving quickly. I might be overreacting but I have kind of invested a lot of ego points into my position on Nexus...

[ChannelDelibird]

Starting from page one.

proxy vote to Tierce

Who is the best father-in-law in westeros?

Has anyone played enough with Tamuz and Tierce to know if this may be alignment-indicative? I want to say it's less likely to come from a scumbuddy on a non-contextual level but do they know each other well?

[ChannelDelibird]

...Nexus could be scum.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm still rereading (around page 22 at the moment) but a couple of the things that I really latched onto early on may not be as alignment-indicative as I thought and his interactions with Tierce look bad. More when I'm finished.

Also think I want tsunami dead.

[ChannelDelibird]

May have to leave mid-reread at any moment. Considering an operating theory of Tierce-Generic-Tsunami-Nexus? scumteam, although it's probably too early for me to put that in writing as I risk confirmation-biasing myself. Oh well, too late.

[ChannelDelibird]

Just got here on my read.

Keep 'Em -
Tierce
Generic
tsunami
Nexus

lol

Not accusatory, just found it amusing.

[ChannelDelibird]

Nexus, talk me through your read of me. It's veered to and fro but I can barely tell when or why.

[ChannelDelibird]

I've finished rereading, by the way, and I am comfortable with the three I mentioned as likeliest buddies for Tierce.

Venmar is my strongest townread. Amrun and Cabd are not far behind. Of the people I haven't included in the buddy bracket, Reck is the next likeliest but I don't think I'd like to go there today.

May vote Nexus depending on how he answers #1616.

[ChannelDelibird]

This is the progression of your read.

Why does it have more steps than outlined in #1618?

[ChannelDelibird]

I said it would depend on your answer to 1616 but to be honest the answer hasn't really affected anything.

VOTE: Nexus

[ChannelDelibird]

I can talk about my Tsunami read tomorrow, probably. I'm here at the moment but only because I haven't been summoned to go and do a thing I don't want to do and, if I manage to get out of it, I'll be playing skype mafia until I fall asleep anyway. I'll look into that Tierce/inHim thing, though - if you can point to specific posts that'd help but I'm not gonna get arsey about it if you can't be arsed.

[ChannelDelibird]

No worries, man. Hope you feel better soon.

[ChannelDelibird]

Tsunami, you haven't mentioned Nexus for ages. You come in and post when he's at lynch-1, just been forced to claim, and you don't mention him at all?

[ChannelDelibird]

Apologies - I've not checked the thread in the middle of one of your posting sprees before, only after it. Didn't really compute. Carry on.

[ChannelDelibird]

I

really

hope I wasn't wrong to doubt myself.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm sorry CDB

I can't believe I didn't cotton on. My thinking on you never went beyond "the hammers aren't scummy, I think Reck would do them as either alignment" and apparently that made you town. Aaaagh! I second-guessed my super-awesome Nexus read for NOTHING!

You have made a powerful enemy this day.