Mini 1464 - Game Over

[Daemon385]

/confirm

[Daemon385]

"Rise and shine, Mister Freeman. Rise and... shine. Not that I... wish to imply you have been sleeping on the job. No one is more deserving of a rest, and all the effort in the world would have gone to waste until... well, let's just say your hour has... come again."

VOTE:Captain Corporal

[Daemon385]

No need sorry for some reason I was having problems logging into my account and couldn't get any emails sent to my own to fix it. Fixed now. Now to see what has been going on.

[Daemon385]

mnemonic, who is scum?

Honestly I feel your hiding behind someone you think (or know is town). Not saying your scum (yet), but I think it is pretty suspicious to just hang back this early on and wolf your way into sheep clothing.

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Captain

, I just realized I wasn't voting you due to the server rollback. Can you explain why you didn't like me dismissing omgus as a null tell? Would you disagree with that statement? Anyway, gut feels like you actually believe your vote (maybe Monkey too, to a lesser extent).

But I think Feels is sheeping so VOTE: FeelIt

A few questions if I may. If by saying you weren't voting him because of the rollback did you have a reason to or suspicion against him? If so why? And also if so then why not vote him then?

Also I don't think Feels has been sheeping all that much or at least not as blatantly as Zhero. Can you give me some of your insight on why you feel Feels is sheeping?

[Daemon385]

A few questions if I may. If by saying you weren't voting him because of the rollback did you have a reason to or suspicion against him? If so why? And also if so then why not vote him then?

I was voting Captain prior to the rollback because of his question about peoples' experience with forum mafia, as I thought it could be something to determine who the threats might be.

Also I don't think Feels has been sheeping all that much or at least not as blatantly as Zhero. Can you give me some of your insight on why you feel Feels is sheeping?

Why Feelit was sheeping? Look at #56 and tell me that any independent thought went into that vote.

And one question for you: if you think Zhero is sheeping why aren't you voting?

Fair enough but I feel it seems like a careless whim though.

It will come I am gather my assessments first though.

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Honestly I feel your hiding behind someone you think (or know is town). Not saying your scum (yet), but I think it is pretty suspicious to just hang back this early on and wolf your way into sheep clothing.

I voted mnemonic before Haschel did, if that's what you mean. I guess my 'RQS is potential scumtell' post got lost to the void, but I'm not sure how I'm sheeping here.

Eh I still feel it is a fair judgement of my opinion. But don't worry yet like I said it is only suspicion for now. I haven't voted you yet.

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Honestly I feel your hiding behind someone you think (or know is town). Not saying your scum (yet), but I think it is pretty suspicious to just hang back this early on and wolf your way into sheep clothing.

I voted mnemonic before Haschel did, if that's what you mean. I guess my 'RQS is potential scumtell' post got lost to the void, but I'm not sure how I'm sheeping here.

Eh I still feel it is a fair judgement of my opinion. But don't worry yet like I said it is only suspicion for now. I haven't voted you yet.

Why doesn't suspicion doesn't warrant a vote?

Never said it didn't just that I am still debating between him and mnemonic.

[Daemon385]

Vote: mnemonic

Made up my mind =D

[Daemon385]

If he desires to stay silent that is his own fault. It doesn't help him either way no matter if he is scum or town.

[Daemon385]

Monkeyman

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by suggesting the me/mnemonic scumteam so early on today, you gave scum the perfect out to straddle both wagons.

Sigh...

If it was a fakeclaim, I'm of the opinion that doc shouldn't cc; if MD's alive D2 we'll have some difficult questions for him.
That being said I'm going to bed, hopefully to reread/bring fresh thoughts tomorrow.

Why? Scum can easily leave him alive.

Yes they can. Which causes a lot of irritating confusion.

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I don't know I am a bit skeptical about the doctor role claims personally. I'm keeping my vote where it is for the current moment, till I decide it needs changing.

[Daemon385]

Soooo....we meet again. Haha no just kidding welcome Nic

[Daemon385]

A lot of the case on mnemonic being scum is that I am his scum buddy; the rest of it can be explained by him being a newb and/or a PR.

Really, I thought a lot of the case on you was that mne was YOUR scumbuddy, meaning that he is the individually scummy one. I don't think any of his behavior can be explained by being a PR, although there is a chance he is just being a big noob.

Him being quiet now certainly doesn't look good.

Him being a noob or not claiming a PR role and then just letting it sit as is without more effort looks bad in my eyes as well. To me it just shows a quick way out and then watching the fall out. Which still has me suspicious of his claim.

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Daemon gives me weird vibes--enough to make him more likely scum than zhero, in my eyes.

Which on second thought is basically what you said.

By the way here's a really scummy post by daemon I apparently didn't notice before

Honestly I feel your hiding behind someone you think (or know is town). Not saying your scum (yet), but I think it is pretty suspicious to just hang back this early on and wolf your way into sheep clothing.

I voted mnemonic before Haschel did, if that's what you mean. I guess my 'RQS is potential scumtell' post got lost to the void, but I'm not sure how I'm sheeping here.

Eh I still feel it is a fair judgement of my opinion. But don't worry yet like I said it is only suspicion for now. I haven't voted you yet.

Can you explain to us weird vibes, my likely hood of being scummier then Zhero, as well as how what I said looks scummy?

[Daemon385]

My townread on mnemonic is due to not finding anything inexplicably scummy about him

PEdit: I do have an indepedent scumread on toomai that I was waiting to explain (that was part of the "other reason")

I can explain it now if you want

Please do.

[Daemon385]

Agreed.

Vote:Mnemonicdevice

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Oh I wonder I wonder who in this group is a baddy Zhero, Haschel Cedricson, MonkeyMan576, Feel It, 2birds1stone

[Daemon385]

I didn't actually realize he had that many close to lynch till it was to late. So that was a stupid mistake on my part, that said you could be right into thinking that there only town on that wagon but I don't all of us were town. And I am not saying I am off that list either since I did vote just the same.

[Daemon385]

Oh I'm going with my previous vote and reasoning on voting one of my main suspicions.

Vote:Zhero

[Daemon385]

Can I get an explanation on why I am scummy? I haven't really heard any good reasoning yet.

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Well as for waffling I did say I was highly skeptical. I still think Zhero is scum and that is why I have no voted for him. As for the parroting, I said it because you made a valid point. There was probably some kind of scum on that list who voted for him. Again I'm still saying Zhero. Or who ever his replacement is I forgot the name who ever you are sorry about that.

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mnemonic, who is scum?

Honestly I feel your hiding behind someone you think (or know is town). Not saying your scum (yet), but I think it is pretty suspicious to just hang back this early on and wolf your way into sheep clothing.

I voted mnemonic before Haschel did, if that's what you mean. I guess my 'RQS is potential scumtell' post got lost to the void, but I'm not sure how I'm sheeping here.

I don't like that mnemonic is so vague, but I'm not sure he's scum yet.

This sounds like scumbuddy talk.

Is this elaborable?

I'm cool with being wrong about Toomai if Zhero and mnemonic are scumbuddies.

"don't like that mnemonic is so vague" sounds like coaching, and "not sure he's scum yet" is both a soft defense and also leaves room for future bussing if necessary. Both mnemonic and pitoli have ben very reluctant to take a stance on each other's wagon.

I think I believe the claim, actually.

UNVOTE:

Need to reread the thread, content post probably later tonight.

Reread the thread, and can still definitely see a mnem/pit team. Contrary to my last post, I'm okay with either lynch.

Hi guys, I agree that pitoli was scummy, but my role PM said I'm town, so :/

Actually I wouldn't be that opposed to my lynch because it would give lots of info

Big scumpoints here.

I'll wait for others to weigh in on the toomai/2birds thing before explaining.

This also flags me. Basically waiting for someone to make a case for him, and when Toomai obliges, switches gears from a Toomai vote to a 2birds vote accordingly.

Also as mentioned above, he seems to be casting a wide net, without really getting into many details.

VOTE: Infinity

VOTE: mnemonic

These are the reasons why. At first he seemed to hide behind and even "sheep" behind mnemonic for a moment. Then he goes on an off on fit about him being scum and about a him and pitoli team. Vote infinity then the next day jumps right on mnemonic as the first vote. I feel maybe he threw infinity under the bus for his recklessness and proceeded to go jump on the mnemonic wagon to even the field a little more.

[Daemon385]

These are the reasons why. At first he seemed to hide behind and even "sheep" behind mnemonic for a moment. Then he goes on an off on fit about him being scum and about a him and pitoli team. Vote infinity then the next day jumps right on mnemonic as the first vote. I feel maybe he threw infinity under the bus for his recklessness and proceeded to go jump on the mnemonic wagon to even the field a little more.

Where is this sheeping you're referencing? Are you talking about post 112?

Yes that is what it looks like to me.

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Of course I'm being set up, like a pig for a bonfire cookout. Anyone who is busing me is only out to make it look like they are busing another scum. When in fact they are trying to get another miss lynch out of us and dwindle our numbers even further.

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My my my I do love your effort. You are chalk full of gooey information and some strikingly nice information, though I can certainly see how you believe I am scum. It is a misplaced vote. Though I guess I would not be 100% against being lynched for the sake of information, but as it is we are a dwindling bunch my friend. With two (possibly; give or take) mafia left and the possible SK that leaves.....9 still town or other wise neutral. Now with the Infinity vote I had some hunch later on before he was lynch but he had honestly slipped passed me or I was too focused on Zhero in all honesty. I actually had infinity lower on my radar. Which now knowingly comes to an unfortunate foresight. And yes I did mean that I am on that list since I did vote him. There is no reason I shouldn't be. Admittedly it was an idiotic vote on my behalf that I didn't give much thought to. I am soothing no one in the fact that I was an over hammer. That is just how I voted. Good vote or not.

And with TwoBirds, so you can't make the effort of playing the game for something you found out is a possible reason to put someone up who you think is scummy? You want someone else to basically do the work for you? Sure a second opinion is nice but why the hell would you put up such vague claims and just throw the hard work you make it sound to be away? Are you really wanting a second opinion or are you wanting to plant ideas in our heads?

In the case of smudger I am not so sure I can whole heartily agree as much. I do understand that it is a shaky feeling you have and not a full blown suspicion as your read on me. I honestly feel he has been more town helpful really. He wasn't on the last wagon either so I think he is either a townie who had the good idea to believe the doc or a mafia hiding pretty well. I still think he is town.

Now with you being Zhero's replacement again you seem to have a nice stack of info, but that still doesn't mean your not on my suspicion list. I haven't seen how you play yet. With how he played though I still don't have a settled mind on this.

Now my read on who I think is probobly scum are : Zhero (Which is now Red) and TwoBirds. I also believe if that for some reasons TwoBirds isn't scum then either Toomai is or it was just two town throwing punches at one another.

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No, actually, I can't ignore that response, that was really bad.

Vote: Daemon385

But fuckit, I'm not gonna be derailed from Toomai-lynching for a third day in a row.

What my whole shpeal? Why not?

And what do you mean by your last statement to me it sounds like your determined to stay on a toomai wagon no matter what but you vote me?

Or are you just made cause I think your a suspect TwoBirds?

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And yes Infinity throwing my name out as his scum read far earlier in the game was a bit of extra insurance into hoping that I would be brought upon the plate at some point in an attempt for a miss lynch.

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Also two birds if you think I should hang then why would you be so worried as to quick hammer me? Eh? If you want me hanged then do as you desire, but I promise you'll see me as what I am, a simple plain Vanilla Townie. But you already know that don't you?

Vote:2Birds1Stone

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Forgot to bold

Vote:2Birds1Stone

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Go ahead and hammer away my friend. A town will die but I am sure it will give enough information. The other townies better get a scum next time though cause we really are going to need it. I am being completely serious by the way. If my lynch means getting a kill against scum next round then so be it.

And Haschel I didn't ignore it I saw your post, read it, and went on with my own thoughts.

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HC, I would like to see if Feel is planning on casting a vote today.

Feel, are you reading the thread now?

Daemon, honestly, I'm not really impressed with your response. In particular that last sentence,

Now my read on who I think is probobly scum are : Zhero (Which is now Red) and TwoBirds. I also believe if that for some reasons TwoBirds isn't scum then either Toomai is or it was just two town throwing punches at one another.

What are you even saying here? The scum is either me and 2b1s (but if it's not 2b1s then it is Toonami). Or maybe we're all three just town after all. That's so wimpy, man. Really what I've wanted from you during my entire reread of the thread was a solid attack. Aside from DM, you haven't ever really stuck your neck out and called out scum. Your 2b1s vote seems really reactionary. Honestly, had he not decided to vote you, I don't think you would've voted him.

I'm saying I feel there is a strong likely hood yes and with How TwoBirds has been acting I'm becoming more suspicious of him. I only threw in Toomai in there because if I was wrong then my opposition could be what I really should have looked at. Sure you could all be town, but really I feel one of you isn't. TwoBirds being who I am after now. Reactionary? Sure I'll give you that, but it wasn't because he voted me. It is because of his actions as of late that called for my vote. And have you ever thought there might be a reason for keeping my neck away from the gallows? Other then your idea of me being scum of course.

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The only defense in his play was that he helped kill Infinity. But I believe he was one of the last votes, maybe the hammer I can't remember or bother to check so he could have just seen Infinity was lost and bussed. 2birds vote felt opportunistic, felt switched on a whim.

And with TwoBirds bouncing back and forth between me and Toomai on "The scummiest player" it is only a matter of time till he jumps back onto Toomai. With the way he is going. If you notice that is all he has been doing as of late.

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Giving up? Not at all but like I said I'll let my death prove my innocence if need be, but I also feel other targets are at hand who are actually our enemy.

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Go ahead and hammer away my friend. A town will die but I am sure it will give enough information. The other townies better get a scum next time though cause we really are going to need it. I am being completely serious by the way. If my lynch means getting a kill against scum next round then so be it.

this says giving up to me,

Eh I like to think of it more of a cautionary tale wrapped by a severed hand on a plate, but I see what you mean.

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And? Why are you so worried about me defending myself TwoBirds?

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*FIXED*

In case no-one noticed, Daemon didn't actually start posting regularly until L-1.

And? Why are you so worried about me defending myself TwoBirds?

[Daemon385]

*Claps* Alright as I said let this be information to locate the remaining scum. Better get one next. Had fun though =) good luck all