Mini 1464 - Game Over

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Don't know how to try to get an archive somewhere, but I can throw up part of my tracksheet.

Spoiler: Pre-crash game state/votecount

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is me, other abbreviations should be self-explanatory)

Unofficial Pre-Crash Vote Count

Captain Corporal (2)

- Daemon385, pitoli

Feel It (2)

- Monkeyman576, Haschel Cedricson

mnemonicdevice (2)

- N64Lord, Zhero

N64Lord (2)

- Toomai, mvmafia

Daemon385 (1)

- 2birds1stone

Haschel Cedricson (1)

- Captain Corporal

Monkeyman576 (1)

- Feel It

Zhero (1)

- mnemonicdevice
2birds1stone -
mvmafia -
pitoli -
Toomai -

Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

I am assuming that votes and such got rolled back with the lost posts, but people might still have wanted to see this.

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Vote: Toomai

Scum trying to look like helpful townsperson, methinks.

*raises eyebrow* Bit of a random assumption?

Did we lose any other posts aside from mm voting Zhero?

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At any rate, I would like to know why you assumed it was an OMGUS vote, but I don't want you to answer that until mnemonicdevice explains the real answer.

Faiiiiir enough.

Judging by the join date, Pitoli is more experienced than MD, if they are on the same scum team, it could be some type of coaching.

Unvote:
Vote: Pitoli

Soooooo let me get this straight. You looked at my join date to determine my alignment. Lol.
Nah really bro, tell me what your real reason is for speculating a me/md scumteam.
And what would I be hoping to communicate to mnemonic in my "coaching" posts?

Usually more experienced scum players don't want less experienced scum players to say stupid things to hurt their team.

I didn't look at your join date to determine your alignment, I looked at your answering another players question AND your join date.

And I haven't determined anything, it's obviously speculation at this point. You're more scummy than anyone else, and this is page 2, so there you go.

It looked to me that pitoli was accusing md of OMGUSing? So what makes you think there would be a pitoli/md team if pitoli was putting pressure on him? I don't see the link of a team (although i do agree pitoli has been the scummiest so far)

btw, what does coaching mean?

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tfw my vote is lost
VOTE: pitoli

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tfw my vote is lost
VOTE: pitoli

And how does that feel? I'm assuming tha "tfw" stands for "that feel whe(n/re)".

Feels meh

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Is pitoli a better vote than your previous vote?

Honestly, I can't even remember who the previous vote was, I might have actually got it confused with a vote I lost in another game. *gulp*

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If I'm reading Toomai's chart correctly, you voted for MonkeyMan.

At any rate, while your response tells me that your first vote isn't a fruitful avenue to travel down, it technically didn't answer my question about pitoli, so let's try again.

Do you mean why I voted pitoli? I found his somewhat OMGUS reaction to the vote from MonkeyMan, trying to flip questions on him, to be scummy.

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@HC: My vote was in response to the questionnaire, and to see how he reacted. I kept it there because he decided to vote me. Hopefully that clears up confusion.

@Feel It: you simply responded to his question about pitoli with another question. Answer the question.

What question?

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Man, what the hell was that even about?

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I'm reading Haschel as town or anal retentive scum.

And which side do you think is more likely?

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Captain

, I just realized I wasn't voting you due to the server rollback. Can you explain why you didn't like me dismissing omgus as a null tell? Would you disagree with that statement? Anyway, gut feels like you actually believe your vote (maybe Monkey too, to a lesser extent).

But I think Feels is sheeping so VOTE: FeelIt

But, you just did what you accused me of...

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Dunno. Thinking Toomai for his "i keep this kind of stuff behind curtains"
Feelit seems kind of scummy too.
Not sure about pitoli
The rest read town currently for me

Huh that reminds me, I think that I should change my random vote to something better:

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VOTE: Toomai

Explain how I'm actually scummy, don't just subtly sheep on the bw on me. That gives psychological encouragement to other players to bw on me too. Good going on that Toonami OMGUS as well. VOTE: mnemonicdevice

Personally I think the Toonami caution thing is a null tell. Lot's of players are cautious at the start of a game it's not much at this point.

N64Lord is probably town. Not many scum would stick their neck out and join a bw this early.

Hashcel is town, or a really aggressive scum who deters suspicion by constantly asking others questions.

mvm is a troll.

Nullish reads on everyone else so far.

Struggling to get reads on Captain Coporal and

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I don't like that mnemonic is so vague, but I'm not sure he's scum yet.

This sounds like scumbuddy talk.

Is this elaborable?

I'm cool with being wrong about Toomai if Zhero and mnemonic are scumbuddies.

"don't like that mnemonic is so vague" sounds like coaching, and "not sure he's scum yet" is both a soft defense and also leaves room for future bussing if necessary. Both mnemonic and pitoli have ben very reluctant to take a stance on each other's wagon.

The reluctance probably comes from fear of being accused of bussing.

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mnemonic is at l-2, sadly this pressure seems to be having a bad effect, he's only gotten quieter.

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Why did mm claim Doctor so easily, nobody gave an intent to hammer him? I'm not convinced and need to hear more before I move my vote.

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^Also, what does he find scummy about me? That I voted him? If I'm on his scum agenda why am I not on his list to lynch? I'm confused by him and he smells desperate to turn attention away from himself.

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Monkeyman

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by suggesting the me/mnemonic scumteam so early on today, you gave scum the perfect out to straddle both wagons.

Sigh...

If it was a fakeclaim, I'm of the opinion that doc shouldn't cc; if MD's alive D2 we'll have some difficult questions for him.
That being said I'm going to bed, hopefully to reread/bring fresh thoughts tomorrow.

Why? Scum can easily leave him alive.

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Oh yeah, forgot to UNVOTE:

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Will be gone for a day, maybe 2 but no longer guys.

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Just realized I quoted Monkeyman in my post, though I was actually talking to daemon lol.

MM, that's silly.

Feel It, why did you think mvm was just trolling? Did that affect your read on him?

His posts were just not serious and pissing about. I consider it a null tell.

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The daytalk slip was probably because he didn't know better and didn't pay much attention to it in his first game. Ftr, I don't think that mnemonic believes that he should blend in, more like he's trying too hard not to get lynched and therefore he looks scummy.

Well yeah, but if he IS the doctor it's viable that he doesn't want to get lynched day 1 as well, no? It's not that scummy to me. It's more his general play and claiming so early that makes me suspicious.

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... Why did we lose two townies?

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... Why did we lose two townies?

Excellent question. What theories do you have?

Vig shot?

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I actually forgot about that possibility, never played in a game with a serial killer, good point.

I'm still wary of lynching mnem with his doc claim, I don't think the case of him and Infinity/pitoli is very strong either.

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mnemonic, if you want any chance to avid a lynch you should out your saves

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my spelling is awful today

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VOTE: mnemonicdevice

I'm not convinced, what kind of doctor would choose one of his most scummy reads as a save instead of his town reads?

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Well, my vote came down because his doctor protection and reasoning, was really scummy and just awful.

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It ain't monkey is it, I know it's not me, Hashcel and Toomai seem town to me. Why did you and 2birds hammer him so quickly, and why did you add on an extra vote?

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VOTE: Zhero

I looked back over them as well, and Zhero seems the most likely to me. He was top of MD's list and Infinity started saying he was scum then changed his mind and called him town which feels like distancing to me. He also voted MD with no explanation and just hasn't been acted or helpful.

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UNVOTE: Freshmaniscoolman

Zhero seemed scummy but he was also away and was probably busy and has a replacement now. I wanna give him a chance at least.

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wat

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Haven't really had much to say. Is AcRv a replacement for someone?

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Sorry guys I've been busy. Back now.

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My biggest scumread was Zhero. His replacement is scumhunting and contributing much more, but I'm worried it could be overcompensating defense. I'm also skeptical that RedCoyote dismissed Zhero's scumminess as just his playstyle. I'm not certain of Daemon, but I am concerned about how quick this wagon built on him, feels opportunistic.

RedCoyote

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VOTE: RedCoyote

sorry about that lol

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The only defense in his play was that he helped kill Infinity. But I believe he was one of the last votes, maybe the hammer I can't remember or bother to check so he could have just seen Infinity was lost and bussed. 2birds vote felt opportunistic, felt switched on a whim.

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Well, Toonami is now in the clear. One of you two is obviously lying and is scum, the question is, who?

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Smudger are you claiming cop? You should have more than one report.

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Oh I see, not well versed in all the power roles. Well... I don't usually advocate lynching this early but 2birds claim looks a lot more credible than Smudger's. Giving intent to hammer.

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VOTE: Smudger

One of you has to be lying scum and 2birds claim simply looks more credible.

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VOTE: RedCoyote

I've thought you've been the last scum for a while now and it's do or die time.

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Fucking 2birds

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Well done to everyone for a good game! That meddling 2birds, I almost had the game. Got worried too when I lost my partner d1.