Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Majiffy]

Nvm about that PM Hash I found it.

[Majiffy]

eta: ap, majiffy is hairier

Hey, I groom.

omg majiffy I see you site-lurking get in here and help me stir the pot.

I didn't know where the game was.

eta: stfu ap, I am texting him right now

I was apparently sleeping on it. This post made me spend about 10 minutes looking for it.

Mollie you acting blur? You pre-inned this game without knowing what it is?

I signed us up.

wis why are you breaking up all of strange's posts and not just putting them in 1? see this is why I want to talk to majiffy cos to me it looks like scum burying posts. he will know what I am talking about

Honestly it just reminds me of buldermar.

---

Town

{

Wisdom, Venmar,

Amrun,

Mollie

}

Scum

{

AP,

StrangerCoug, Elyse

}

Null

{Enomis, SD, Grimgroove, NS}

Bolded are stronger, Italicized are weaker.

[Majiffy]

My intention was that my avatar was looking judgementally on everyone ELSE'S posts and responding!

[Majiffy]

Yeah I've been getting a lot of compliments on it.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, are you scum this game bro?

Nope.

[Majiffy]

I am still a bit pissy cos you like gave me no credit for figuring out everyone's alignment on d1 in poetic justice.

But Justice was Buldermar.

well majiffy has you down as confscum so that probably means you for sure are town.

although it was probably a little ridiculous to partner majiffy and I together

Honestly we should have hydra'ed and partnered with ffery/buldermar's hydra for epic town muscle.

[Majiffy]

I have no clue what NS is

NobodySpecial.

[Majiffy]

No Poetic Justice was about Majiffy and Buldermar and Majiffy losing. I cry evertim.

[Majiffy]

It appears to me that Wisdom is actively shifting his meta in this game. He's trying a different approach than I've seen him use in any other game.

[Majiffy]

This is quite the same meta as the polygamy game to me though.

It's been a few months since I've played a game with him, so it may not necessarily be the

first

game he's done it in. Just the first I've seen.

In what way, Majiffy?

And if we could all vote yes or no to proceed with the nomination plan, please?

Attitude is largely the same but he's more dodgy with questions, in the kind of "I'm going to sit back and let this stew for a while" way, rather than the "I really don't want to answer any questions" kind of way. Looks like he's trying to play in the same way I usually do when I'm dealing with difficult players to get a read on. Mollie will know what I'm talking about here.

I think the nomination thing sounds nice on paper but I don't think it's going to be nearly as pro-town or useful as it is being made out.

[Majiffy]

Talk about the plan, Majiffy. What is your alternative? Do you have any improvements?

Shoot from the hip, remove as many possibilities for scum to just "slide in" to popular lynches. Force the issue, make them think on their feet. This is a game of reactions.

I don't see her blending in at all. she isn't taking easily defensible stances I don't think. what do you mean?

She looks like she's

trying

to, though. It's been bugging me, as well.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy you read me as scum in every game so I'm not really surprised there but I don't see how I'm trying to blend in.

I haven't seen a flicker of original thought from you this game.

Also this is not true, I think there was a large game we played together where I was townreading you when everyone else was calling you scum.

[Majiffy]

I thought it was pretty obviously a joke. Not very funny, but it was there.

[Majiffy]

All the important bits of the above were done by other people before you chimed in. So no, not seeing it.

[Majiffy]

kbye

(yestheywere)

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: I guess Mollie beat me to half of this already.

General question: Any guidelines on how to use the private QT properly for scumhunting? I realize it gives you an extra forum in a way, but I don't see why not everything we say could occur here.

More intimate conversations about reads that aren't obscured by other happenings in the thread. I actually had a game with Venmar recently where I neighbored him and he was very shaky about his reads in the neighborhood, led me to start to suspect him.

Awful idea. Terrible. I've already explained why.

I didn't find it a very compelling explanation.

I thought the exact same thing when moving to the next page.
Up to and including page 6 pirate mollie is giving me the strongest scumvibes, lack of involvement with the game at hand. The back-and-forth with Wisdom following this comment is not reassuring at all. What is so important about having a talk with Majify first? What is trolleytracking anyway?

She wanted me to fully explain the setup mechanics to her. And trolleytracking is tunneling.

Mollie is town, move on.

What is burying posts and what good does it do scum? Some people hate walls, others hate double-posts, but if someone has a lot to share, they have to choose one of both. Do you feel people who post a lot of information are scummy?
Why are you relying so much on Majify in this game? Why can't you make your own conclusions?

Burying posts is overwhelming the thread with more noise than signal while making it look like you're posting content. Adding so much to read to the thread in such a short period of time, and usually with high frequency, makes the town players feel overwhelmed and eventually lazy, which fosters an environment that is pro-scum. Check out the Posh game for a great example of this in action.

Why are you avoiding

me

? I've stated a firm town read on Mollie and you haven't so much as questioned me about one thing, whilst making posts that seem to indicate you have scum feelings for Mollie.

@Majiffy
If you can find someone who mentioned all of the things I mentioned in my post before me, then I'll concede to your point, but it's not true. I did bring up those things first.

Lazy. But maybe later. We'll see.

- Majiffy baby is there anyway you could put Wisdom in your scumpile instead of the townpile?

Not right now, but I'm down with an AP lynch.

Yeah, but you can't directly
Yet he answered the question "who would you challenge" with someone that he cannot challenge directly.
I could even see that as a scumslip, tbh. If both Venmar and AP are scum, then obviously they wouldn't care about being partners since they would already be scumbuddies.
But maybe that's a stretch.

You're an idiot.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, was Venmar scum in that game?

Yes.

And I do not follow why someone mentions their partner as the first person they would challenge.

Or maybe he just listed his scumspects, which is exactly what he did.

Not taking your word for it, I hope you understand

Does not compute.

I am avoiding you because you are evidently too magnificent a foe for the likes of me. I think avoiding you will be the best tactic for me to win this game.

Well at least you have your head in the game.

[Majiffy]

Oh, I thought you could challenge teammates? Darn it, AP is my partner.

*sob* *sob*

^
Did you miss this, Majiffy? His response was NOT "I was just listing my scumreads", it was "I thought I could challenge my teammate".
Do you still want to insist that it was not what it was?

Yes, I saw that post, Wisdom. But his original post where he said "AP & Wisdom" looked very much like he was just

listing his scumspects.

And this post is very clearly dripping with sarcasm.

I admit my hopes for your understanding were merely ornamental.
Does it compute now?

Nope. Start townreading Mollie and myself, pronto.

[Majiffy]

Nope. Start townreading Mollie and myself, pronto.

This is mainly in your hands. You've established that you are many things, but I have seen no clear indications that either of you are town.

I seem to have given off the impression I'm a push-ove

r. Sorry for the misunderstanding, please cease any efforts that have this idea in mind.

^ this is ridiculously overdefensive

Actually I read it as more passive-aggressive snark.

[Majiffy]'s simply TELLING me to believe him. If he truly believes this will work, he must think I'm a push-over.

False. I truly believe it will work if you have any semblance of competence at this game. Consider it a reaction test of how good you are.

Hit'n da club.

[Majiffy]

Grim you are slowly making your way to the danger zone. I can only hope for your sake that Mollie is townreading you. We'll be in conversation about you.

[Majiffy]

It appears to me that Wisdom is actively shifting his meta in this game. He's trying a different approach than I've seen him use in any other game.

Do you think hes scummy for that?

Obviously not, as evinced by my town read on him. He's using a technique I toyed around with briefly a year or two ago.

Challenge: Silver Snakes

Both are scum, so keep calm and vote on.

VOTE: Grimgroove

[Majiffy]

Lol don't have reasons ok.

[Majiffy]

Lol don't have reasons ok.

Are you drunk?

Well, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that you're posturing an absurd position that is patently false.

[Majiffy]

Far too intoxicated for that right now, but I like how you've already self-admitted to lying about the fact that I have nothing on you by 1) Asking what my position is [to an already obvious question about my read on you, ergo having reasons to scum read you] and 2) then subsequently asking me to provide you with the things you've already stated I don't [or couldn't] have.

I'll crush you tomorrow. For now, enjoy your sleep.

[Majiffy]

I have stumbled out of the haze of the college-level drunkfest and will be getting to this game tonight. Mollie has made me aware of the vote count as of yesterday afternoon and I feel confident that Coug is our scum. Amrun, pull your head out of your indignant ass and vote with me.

UNVOTE: Grimgroove
VOTE: StrangerCoug

[Majiffy]

What happened to make you feel so confident Coug is scum.

Weak wagon hop on a perceived easy mislynch.

Majiffy, is Grimgroove not scum anymore?

Not sure. Will figure out later.

Vote: Majiffy

"I'm drunk", yeah going to use that excuse next game.

Needs moar rope. It works anyway because atm, PM's a town-read and I feel SC GG are more towny than Magiffy. GG > SC if i had to rank them.

Confirmed Scum 2.

Why isn't Grim scum anymore?

There's a wagon on Coug, Coug had a scummy wagon hop, ergo Coug is a better place for my vote.

A man

can

have multiple scum reads, I'm not sure why everyone seems to think my Grim scumread went away because I switched votes.

^^That post is giving me scum-induced seizures.

I hate everything about it.

Agree wholeheartedly but Amrun is probably town.

[Majiffy]

If you can't figure out by very simple observational skills why I'm town then you should choose a different hobby.

[Majiffy]

^ pretty much that

AP what are your thoughts on Coug and what are your thoughts on my thoughts on Coug?

[Majiffy]

If you can't figure out by very simple observational skills why I'm town then you should choose a different hobby.

You're so full of yourself, you expect everyone to townread you just like that. Wake up. This is not how this works.

I could say the exact same thing to you. In fact, I will. You should have townread me ever since I got here. You should have convinced me that you're town in a reasonable way. But you didn't. You suck. Yes. And you've been here for years. And still you suck. After all this practice. You have learned nothing. What have you been doing with your time here? I know. You took that pretty little head of yours, bent over in a considerable angle, and put your head through the little pink entrance in the little dark tunnel. Majiffy in Wonderland. You've been stuck there ever since.

There are reasons to know that I am town that experienced players will have picked up on by now.
The same reasons that I am town apply to wagon analysis and why Coug and SD are scum.

StrangerCoug isn't really trying to defend himself. In the QT he practically ackowledged to be giving up. Some last words from his part would be good, but

I'm declaring intent to hammer

.

I don't know Majiffy's meta, but I can't imagine scum would attract so much attention onto himself by being this obnoxious. This does leave StrangerCoug as the odd one out.

Attaboy. You're starting to catch on, but the obnoxious part isn't why I'm obvtown. Close, though.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy (3) - Amrun, StrangerCoug, Safety Dance
StrangerCoug (5) - Wisdom, enomis, Venmar, Majiffy, pirate mollie
Grimgroove (1) - AngryPidgeon
pirate mollie (0) -

Current wagons.

[Majiffy]

StrangerCoug, Safety Dance, Angry Pidgeon, Grimgroove, Nobody Special

Lynch in that order and town can't lose.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy scumreads Grim to the extent of ignoring the town plan and just challenging Grim's team so that he can vote him.
Majiffy changes his vote to Coug because Coug is being wagoned and doesn't even care about his Grim scumread anymore. In fact, he puts him FOURTH on the list of who town should lynch.
You'd imagine that Grim would be mad at this and he would want to lynch Majiffy no matter what, but what happens? He calls Majiffy town and INTENDS TO HAMMER Coug, while we haven't even properly heard from 2 people.

I challenged Grim's team because I was scumreading both.
Coug followed the scum behavior I had texted to Mollie that I was expecting. I had also called Amrun voting me out of spite.
Grim is forth because the people earlier than him in the list are stronger scum reads for stronger reasons. Which would be self-evident if you read my posts regarding those players.

VOTE: Grimgroove

So you believe I'm scum but decide to place your vote off my wagon?

Wisdom, I know you have moments of retardation, but this is pathetic.

I am, however, interested in why the hell Coug would care if Grim kept posting in the QT.

You are not an "easy mislynch". I've seen you play very well, and except for what I see as the fatal flaw, you still are now.

So going against an agreed-upon plan by the majority of players in the game, in favor of forcing unwanted 2v2 amongst players not in the scumpools of most players, and eliciting an emotional backlash against such play isn't going to set up a favorable environment for a mislynch?

I'm sure you can explain my wagon actually competing with yours, then, as no one had really stated a scum read on me and there had been talks of you being read as scummy by a few players.

Majiffy is breaking my brain. On the one hand, there's no way scumJiffy would issue the challenge thinking he'd live through it.

Or would he?

StrangerCoug is also hurting my brain. It does indeed sound like he was giving up; recent posts of his, though, show otherwise. Perhaps he got his second wind.

I'd rather vote SC than Jiffy today, though.

I

proooobably

would? Idk. It's a tough call, because I knew I'd get backlash and scum would hop on me.

Coug is coming back because he's seeing an opportunity to lynch Grim, who now appears to be an easier wagon to push through than the one on me which stalled immediately after he and his buddy Safety hopped on.

Coug needs to die today.

[Majiffy]

*fourth

[Majiffy]

The impression I got from your post is that you think I think you're a village idiot, which you and I know you're not.

That's not at all what I think you think. I think you knew what I did would stir up a lot of controversy and negative feelings, and you tried to maximize on that for

an easy mislynch

.

Basically a lot of Amrun-sheeping going on.

Yes blindly sheep the person who is thinking emotionally. I can't wait for you to explain this clearly logical move from a town POV.

[Majiffy]

Lol.

No the way that Coug has dropped my wagon for Grim's is giving me pause on them both being scum.

[Majiffy]

So you believe I'm scum but decide to place your vote off my wagon?

Wisdom, I know you have moments of retardation, but this is pathetic.

Did you miss the part where I called you both scum?
Grimgroove is scummier.
But you're just as scummy for now completely withdrawing your scumread on him and pushing only Coug.

No, I didn't miss that. Sidelining your vote when there's a wagon on the

other

scumread doesn't make sense.
Why is Grim scummier?
Why am I scummier for no longer having a scumread on Grim, given that my scumread on Coug is stronger and I feel their interactions recently are not scum v scum?

Grim is forth because the people earlier than him in the list are stronger scum reads for stronger reasons.

Yeah yeah tell me more.
You have stronger scumreads than Grim yet you challenge his team so you can vote him.

Because I had a scumread on both players in that team. And the reason Coug is a stronger scumread came

after

the challenge.

Do you have a problem following a simple linear timeline?

Basically a lot of Amrun-sheeping going on.

Yes blindly sheep the person who is thinking emotionally. I can't wait for you to explain this clearly logical move from a town POV.

You asked me to explain why the wagon on you was competing against the wagon on me. You did not ask for my reason in particular, and you did not ask me why I expected yours to compete against mine.

Yes, I asked you to explain that. And you answered with "lol sheeping Amrun", which implies that

your

vote was sheeping Amrun. So now I am asking you to justify sheeping an emotionally charged, irrational vote blindly.

[Majiffy]

So if you think;
Two people are scum, one is town
One scum and one town have competing wagons

You think the proper course of action is to sideline your vote and risk the townie getting lynched?

That's an interesting thought process, Wisdom.

[Majiffy]

StrangerCoug (6) -

enomis

,

Venmar

,

Majiffy

,

pirate mollie

, Grimgroove, Nobody Special
Grimgroove (4) - AngryPidgeon, Wisdom, Elyse,

StrangerCoug

Majiffy (2) -

Amrun

,

SafetyDance

One of {AP/Elyse} scum, probably NS scum.

[Majiffy]

Oops forgot to color Wisdom green.

[Majiffy]

Wisdom;

Majiffy scumreads Grim to the extent of ignoring the town plan and just challenging Grim's team so that he can vote him.
Majiffy changes his vote to Coug because Coug is being wagoned and doesn't even care about his Grim scumread anymore. In fact, he puts him FOURTH on the list of who town should lynch.
You'd imagine that Grim would be mad at this and he would want to lynch Majiffy no matter what, but what happens? He calls Majiffy town and INTENDS TO HAMMER Coug, while we haven't even properly heard from 2 people.

This is not a hypothesis. This is what happened. Facts.

Lets add a few more facts.
Mollie is townreading me very strongly. I'm hard pressed to think of a time I was scum that she town read me in. So if we're assuming I'm scum, then we're going to have to lump Mollie in as scum as well. This means in your hypothetical above, I - scum - decided to make a 2v2 with 3 members of the scumteam, when there wasn't a lot of heat on really any of them, instead of something like letting AP and Venmar get into it, or let town decide on some arbitrary mislynch. So you think that I - as scum - decided to literally toss 3/4 of my team unnecessarily into the lynch pool when I had no need for it or any town cred.

If you believe that... You're seriously fucking demented. Vote Coug.

[Majiffy]

On

me?

And fine, enjoy your shitvote Wisdom.

[Majiffy]

Yes, I asked you to explain that. And you answered with "lol sheeping Amrun", which implies that

your

vote was sheeping Amrun. So now I am asking you to justify sheeping an emotionally charged, irrational vote blindly.

We had a lot of similar thinking about your challenge. I saw no reason to reject her thinking, especially not her emotions, which I think her legitimate. Agreeing with people is not scummy; it's what gives us progress in this game.

Which thinking would that be, that led her to voting me, and why are they legitimate? Please offer quotes from Amrun's posts to support your argument.

It's also funny that you're yelling at me for sheeping Amrun when you tried to get her to sheep you when you voted me.

Considering I have reasons for voting you, and Amrun was voting me out of emotionally blinded spite, you're making a shit comparison.

[Majiffy]

Which thinking would that be, that led her to voting me, and why are they legitimate? Please offer quotes from Amrun's posts to support your argument.

Now the whole town is forced to vote out of a pool we would not have chosen organically.

This was the tipping point for me.

So spite. What a phenomenal argument.

There were actions he could have taken that weren't the plan that I didn't find scummy. This wasn't one of them. It strong arms the town into doing something they don't want to do and presenting them with only one likely option who is a newbie and likely to crack under pressure no matter the alignment.

Posted after my vote, but fits the "we were thinking the same thing" defense.

This is a false statement. There are 4 options, 3 of whom are

not

newbies. Furthermore, it pushes scum into the same kind of situation, except they have to now

anticipate

where town is going to go, and hope it's the right choice. Ergo my plan trumps Amrun's plan, and she's going to be butthurt all game over that.

Do you think Amrun is scummy? Would it matter in terms of your reads which one she was voting? Her reactions are understandable and your trying to use Amrun's emotions to illegitimize her vote is noted. The two posts of hers that I quoted above are almost ten hours apart, which would be a lot of time for "heat of the moment" emotions to go away. So I don't buy emotional blindness.

No, I think Amrun is dumbtown. It would, however, matter to an extent. Amrun did what I was expecting her to do as TownAmrun, so that solidified my read.

Her vote illigitimizes itself. She has no logical, well-reasoned argument for voting me.

[Majiffy]

I invite you to look into every scum game I played with Mollie and tell me how many she has called me town in.

[Majiffy]

and where did everybody run off to I see people posting in other games but not this one. where is amrun she is the one who was all like "ack! ack! ack! don't end the day I am not throooooough!"

Yes.

This game got way too quiet. Way too many people sitting back and lurking when major discussion is going on.

Fuck you, honestly. I don't know why v/la is such a fucking difficult concept for people to grasp. Maybe if I was irresponsible and just didn't post for over a week people would fucking understand.

Trying to paint my infrequent phone posting as scummy when it's public knowledge I'm not around for this time frame is scummy as fuck.

Woah ok superdefensive.

---

Don't like that Amrun doesn't have time to be active in the game but has plenty of time to come in and lolhammer.

NS/Wisdom/AP are a great group to pick from for scum. Would have preferred lynching SD first, though.

VOTE: AP

[Majiffy]

Majiffy is Grim town now that Coug flipped town?

Don't know. Don't really care; have greater suspects.

wait how are you moving wis to scum you read him as town

Coug townflip complicates things.

[Majiffy]

^ Pretty clearly sarcasm

It is a very good lynchpool indeed.
I'll probably just sheep Majiffy when push comes to shove. I really want you to be scum as well though.
But I have to re-evaluate everything, you're definitely right about that.
Damnit, I was already dreaming of a scummy award for best townplay for catching both you and StrangerCoug in two pages time. It all seemed to fit so nicely.
Agh. Will take the day off tomorrow.

If you want to sheep me, why aren't you voting AP?

[Majiffy]

If we could just get more votes on AP that'd be

greeeeaaaaaaat

.

[Majiffy]

Just because Coug didn't flip mafia doesn't mean Coug wasn't scum.
I'm unsure about Wisdom. Mollie is right about dumb arguments being a scumtell from him, so I'm starting to think my early read (town) on him is tainting my judgement.
I refrained from reading your back-and-forth with him as much as possible. I can only take so much stupid.

[Majiffy]

I've definitely played with YouScum once or twice.

[Majiffy]

Actually 5.
Chosen, Diffusion, Duck Duck Goose, 8matrix, and a newbie.
And I was town in all 5.
Plus the one you modded, in which I also was town.

You weren't scum in Chosen? Also I thought it was more than that.

[Majiffy]

I remember the tunneling. I don't remember you flipping town.

Whatever.

[Majiffy]

For a game that was a very long time ago, yeah, it kind of is.

[Majiffy]

I'm not sure. Doesn't really matter as I'm not voting you anyway.

[Majiffy]

Why are you being so hyper-defensive?

[Majiffy]

Considering there's a difference between calling out bullshit indignantly and calling out bullshit in a desperate attempt to change my read on you back to town, yes, you're being hyper-defensive.

[Majiffy]

"No, that's bullshit, you're a fucking moron"
"No, that's bullshit, are you reading me as town again now plz?"

[Majiffy]

Particularly since I've already stated a number of greater scum reads I want to pursue, you seem very determined for me to be reading you as town.

[Majiffy]

Or maybe I find it weird that you're not changing the read on your own after realizing that you're wrong and I'm pointing it out.

Or maybe I don't know where to put you, which if you read my ISO is pretty blatantly obvious.

Keep pushing me, I'll vote you for policy.

[Majiffy]

Whatever. What's your case on AP?

Gut.

[Majiffy]

Wisdom are you scumreading me, and if so, why? Also when did this start?

[Majiffy]

Wisdom are you scumreading me, and if so, why? Also when did this start?

I'm feeling you're not reading the game.

And I have a feeling you're dodging a pretty straightforward question.

[Majiffy]

I found it scummy when you dropped your Grimgroove scumread, a scumread that made you challenge him, in order to vote the bigger wagon.
Other than that I've found you town.
I've said all of this before.

You

do

realize that when I issued the challenge I stated a scumread on both players, yes?

And you accuse

me

of not reading.

[Majiffy]

I do realize that, but you voted Grim, so you can obviously scumread him more.

I have already argued why this fucking point is wrong a hundred times fuck off.

[Majiffy]

I'm caught up, but my brain is truly fried. I have little idea who could be scum, except perhaps Majiffy.

Then your brain is truly fried, indeed.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy where are you Im OD'ing on coffee and need someone to rage at.

Downtown craps training. I'm home now though.

...I truly have no friends in this game do I?

Yeah I hammered btw.

Disregard that, we can no longer be friends.

Mollie has a firm belief in WisdomScum. We're also both expecting AP to flip town.

[Majiffy]

We're also both expecting AP to flip town.

I thought you were voting him..?

Venmar hammered before I had the opportunity to unvote.

Mollie has a firm belief in WisdomScum

I wanna hear about that

Polygamy.

[Majiffy]

And why did you want to unvote?

AP's posting about 4 or 5 pages ago.

I don't like how he texts me to "post more content" when he has not even been around all day.

Uhhh you best be takin' this back gurlllfriend cuz nuh-uh.

UNVOTE: AP

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Nobody Special

[Majiffy]

Lets all take a deep breath and relax for 11 minutes and 39 seconds.

[Majiffy]

Oh come on they covered Won't Get Fooled Again and War Pigs too?

Brb I need to dive into the youtubes head first.

[Majiffy]

Ozzy wrote this for Warren to sing.

[Majiffy]

God listen to that voice.

[Majiffy]

My soul has been purified by the power of the Mule.

[Majiffy]

Why would ap, so full of rage just a moment before, lose it all upon thinking he has been mislynched? It doesn't make sense.

Didn't someone make a similar comment about you earlier in the game?

[Majiffy]

Why would ap, so full of rage just a moment before, lose it all upon thinking he has been mislynched? It doesn't make sense.

Didn't someone make a similar comment about you earlier in the game?

Was I mislynched in this game without my knowledge...?

About going from "being full of rage" to "suddenly losing" it.

[Majiffy]

I feel like you two are both arguing about different events and assuming the other is talking about that same event.

@mollie/wisdom

[Majiffy]

I think someone may have said that, but that never actually occurred. I don't even remember who said it, but I have not hit a point in this game of being full of rage. And if I had it would have been towards you and not at the time in question.

But for the sake of argument, let's say it was true. Let's say I was once full of rage and stopped being angry. The thing that precipitated that still wouldn't have been "being hammered as town" so it's still not relevant.

Yes it is, because your point relies on his changing emotional state moreso than it does on the situational event.

And for what it's worth, I don't recall seeing AP in a "state of rage" whatsoever.

[Majiffy]

Too much of a generalization. I have seen townies act the way AP did after being hammered on. Not everyone is indignant shouty angry rage at being mislynched, particularly when they know that a good portion of the playerlist has been scumreading them for a while and they have town reads on a number of said players.

[Majiffy]

At that point, the mindset is "Fuck, I really fucked this one up. Well, here, this is who I think you need to go after when you see I flip town: x"

[Majiffy]

Nope.

[Majiffy]

Try the back button on your browser, sometimes it saves the information in the text box.

[Majiffy]

Found it. Thanks Majiffy!

No prob.

Majiffy which part of -he knew he was not hammered, he even tried to push a Venmar lynch- you don't understand?

I think the Venmar vote after Venmar voted is very telling. Why would AP place a vote on someone if he thought he was hammered? And why wouldn't he vote me, since I'm apparently in my own scum tier.

Chronology:

Venmar votes
AP votes
Amrun goes "oh was that hammer"
Venmar goes "yes"
AP goes "oh"

Simplified, but you guys are acting like it is

impossible

for:
AP to have voted, not thinking there was a hammer.
A big situation arises around it being a hammer.
And AP then thinking he was hammered, and acting accordingly.

It isn't outside the realm of possibility and it seems like there are a number of diehard positions being taken that assume it to be such that it IS outside the realm of possibility.

[Majiffy]

Alright listen up.
I found the two games that AP was mislynched as town.
In one of them, someone did the same thing that happened here; a fake hammer/reaction test.
Read and see what AP's reaction was.

Quoting this so it isn't lost on the last page.

[Majiffy]

Ok that situation is entirely different on account of the fact that the fake hammer was by someone already on the wagon. Venmar was not on the wagon.

Boo on you, Wisdom. Boo on you.

[Majiffy]

Second link doesn't go directly to the hammer/his reaction, ISO + ctrl F finds no results for "hammer". Please remedy.

And it matters because he knew someone ALREADY ON HIS WAGON can't hammer him, you fucking twit. This is someone OFF THE WAGON voting him. I mean, if you can't grasp the difference, I don't know what to say to you other than considering an hero.

[Majiffy]

his reactions are not town reactions. No rage

Too much of a generalization. I have seen townies act the way AP did after being hammered on. Not everyone is indignant shouty angry rage at being mislynched, particularly when they know that a good portion of the playerlist has been scumreading them for a while and they have town reads on a number of said players.

At that point, the mindset is "Fuck, I really fucked this one up. Well, here, this is who I think you need to go after when you see I flip town: x"

no active guidelines to the town on who to lynch, nothing.

You mean like when he said "Lynch Elyse when I flip town"?

[Majiffy]

That assumes that AP was paying attention to his votes in that game, right? He knew the hammerer was voting him already, so he spotted the test instantly.

No. You don't need to know how many votes are on you to know if a single voter is on you.

Besides, if you check back in the game, he ASKED "aren't you already on my wagon?" and then looked back, confirmed, and made another post. WHICH MEANS HE DIDN'T ACTIVELY KNOW HIS WAGON IN THE WAY YOU ARE IMPLYING HE DOES IN THIS GAME.

[Majiffy]

No because he -


Fuck it, I'm tired of repeating myself. Go back to the beginning of the argument and read my posts again, all of your questions already have answers.

[Majiffy]

w/e I've said everything to death by now, I'm getting really tired of this dumb argument.

[Majiffy]

Anyway.
enomis/Safety/Amrun/Elyse.
With Grimgroove or NS if any of them is wrong.
We lynch NS and we have the jaguars and the monkeys fight.
Are there disagreements on this?

I want this answered by everyone that is not in those four.

Take Enomis out, replace with NS, and we're on the same page.

[Majiffy]

I'm cool with Monkeys vs anyone, really. I'd like to see both players on that team go.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, since when do you think I am scum?

Your play has gotten considerably worse around and after the Coug lynch.

[Majiffy]

Uh

[Majiffy]

Rofl

VOTE: SafetyDance

[Majiffy]

Elyse has a good chance of flipping scum. Safety has a better chance.

[Majiffy]

I have never known what the whole "... fills me with the urge to defecate" in Pink Floyd's

The Trial

really meant until I read this conversation between you two and am suddenly overcome with a gigantic urge to tie you both down and just shit all over you for making me read such a ridiculously fucking retardedly dumb as fuck argument.

Seriously, fuck you both. I want my 10 minutes back.

[Majiffy]

I sympathize. Truly.

<3

Sometimes it's just gotta be said.

[Majiffy]

Seeing as how no one yet has gotten towncred for challenging, AND how the challenge pool was agreed upon yesterday, why would challenging give me towncred, exactly?

It worked just fine for Majiffy.

u mad?

[Majiffy]

Girls, you're both pretty.

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy
I want you to think about the possibility mollie has been hard-buddying you from the beginning. Even if it sounds unlikely.

Would explain why she was so pissed when I set up the challenge. Also regarding that quote of hers; more likely SD-partner/Amrun-ML. Still find it heavily unlikely, though.

P-edit: sounds like Mollie from PoshMafia although she was more active there.

She's been sick with a pretty bad cold, plus she's starting to get tired of mafia. I wouldn't take her activity as any kind of alignment-tell.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Amrun
This is L-1.

[Majiffy]

Ok. Your 1685 and 1688 read as incredibly fake and caughtscum. Your argument with Mollie is terribad, Wisdom gets scummier by the post, AP is looking townier. Still think SDslot is scum but qwints is improving it. Venmar is barking up a dead tree.

[Majiffy]

Not a whole lot.

[Majiffy]

Because the only time my reads change between a living player and a newly dead one is if I have associative tells on a flipped scum.

[Majiffy]

Who is the scumteam?

SD/You/Elyse

Possible substitution of either Wisdom or Grim for one slot.

And, you should have associative tells on everyone, everywhere at this point of the game... Just saying.

Not how I operate.

[Majiffy]

SD was my preferred lynch until last page. And I've had a vote on him, with his wagon being the largest. What did you expect?

[Majiffy]

What is this about?

Enomis is town.

Why is Enomis town?

Because he's not scum.

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

When did you badger me into pressuring you more?

And I'm doing plenty, love. You just don't know what's going on up top because you haven't played much with me.

[Majiffy]

Just now? Excuse me? I put a vote on you because of two posts you made, that were in no way directly or indirectly related to you badgering me whatsoever. So you can fuck right off with that bullshit.

[Majiffy]

And I'm doing plenty in the thread, thanks.

[Majiffy]

Instructions unclear; lost too many brain cells contemplating what's going on in your head.

[Majiffy]

So you asked me a question that I readily answered and somehow that equates to you

badgering

me into pressuring you?

I'm not getting involved in all your stupid arguments because they're stupid arguments. If not perpetuating stupid clutter that prevents legitimate scumhunting equates to nothing for you, then sure, I'm doing nothing.

Happily and knowingly.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy

Why did you think I was scummy pre trollhammer yesterday?
Would you be willing to challenge Green tomorrow if you are wrong about Amrun?

You haven't been giving me strong town signals like you usually do.
Yes.

No, it's not about getting into arguments. Avoiding those can definitely be good. It's about posting things besides votes, which you're not doing much of without prompting.

Why do I need to post things besides votes, if the course of the game is already going in the direction I want it to? I voted SD; a wagon followed. I get on here, see some scummy posts from you, lo and behold, there's a wagon on you. There's no need for me to add to the discussion.

If you want to argue semantics about the word "badgering," sure. The point is that you are mostly just voting and answering the odd question to you here and there. You're not voting with reasons; you're not even answering questions with particular purpose. You ARE thinking about the game (I think, anyway), but there's precious little evidence of that, and it's not a good thing for the town.

It isn't about semantics, it's about you trying to extract towncred from a source where no towncred should be extracted. You asked banal, surface-level questions and then said "Look! I had to

force

you to provide content!", and that's just fucking bullshit.
I clearly am voting with reasons; just because I don't state them doesn't mean they don't exist.
To what purpose must I answer the questions, other than the fact that you're asking them? Now we're back to your banal questions and why the fuck do you expect towncred for 'making' me answer them?

I am asking you to use your status as widely read town in a game without nightkills to lay on the grease a little bit more, and shake things up, because I know you're capable, instead of throwing down lazy votes and walking away from the thread for a day or two, coming back and tossing down another one. I don't expect you to take this seriously until after I flip, or maybe even at all, but I feel obligated to say it.

Chaos without reason does not yield positive results. You only shake up the gamestate when you need reactions or need to increase participation levels. Otherwise, it's best to let the game settle and see where everyone lays.

I'm happy with the gamestate and the current scum suspects. I'm going to let it continue on the course it's currently on.

[Majiffy]

Actually I think the level of posting in this game is fairly manageable.

Lets talk about my scumreads; where do you disagree, aside from yourself? Because you must disagree if you're so desperate for me to re-evaluate when you flip town.

[Majiffy]

Yeah and this is why wallwars over stupid shit are anti-town.

[Majiffy]

I think your biggest problem is that you're somehow unable to separate changing reads based on your townflip and changing reads in general. You think just because you flip town, that either my reads should instantly flip, or that I'm somehow stubbornly stuck in my ways and all hope is lost. It's a pathetically naive position to take.

Furthermore;

Mollie is scum. You don't seem to be very willing to entertain the idea of her being scum except in the hypothetical, even when AP was trying very hard to get you to consider the possibility. You think my argument with her is "bad," (and it is, in some ways, which is very frustrating for me), but yet if I flip town, you won't even think about it again. That's something you should be looking at again with it in mind that I am town, imho. And knowing that I am town should increase the likelihood of mollie being scum by your own admission re: your conversation with ap, but it won't, re: your conversation with me, and that is imminently annoying.

We have played probably close to 50 games together since she has joined this site. If Mollie is scum, I'll know.

[Majiffy]

Wall wars can be extremely informative. In this game, I have been caught in too many stupid arguments, but getting caught in none is worse, imo. Ideally, there's a better balance, but I've been busy and therefore in a bad mood and more easily distracted.

It doesn't matter how informative they are if it results in non-involved, unmotivated, apathetic townies.

[Majiffy]

So basically this all boils down to you being pissed off that I'm voting you, really. You won't admit it, of course, but that's where this all stems from.

I'm not good at meta arguments. The best I can do is tell you to go read her town games and read her scum games. As of yet, she doesn't feel like scum Mollie.

[Majiffy]

You can self-hammer if you're so desperate to be lynched.

[Majiffy]

Then I have a logical objection to taking anything you say seriously at face-value. It looks an awful lot like trying to AtE your way out of a lynch.

[Majiffy]

Though AP is singing a little siren song to me right now.

Actually any team without GG is wrong because GG is scum and that's obvious. Ugh what are the odds that Majiffy would put 3 scums into the first lynchpool as scum.

Its just insane enough to be viable.

Definitely a ballsy enough gambit for me to do. I do love making the town feast on tasty WIFOM waffles.

[Majiffy]

Because I know for a fact mollie is able to fake anything,

I ask you to explain to me how the fuck using a reaction test brings attention on the one who is doing it (because that's fucking ridiculous)

You mean like challenging a team against the agreed-upon plan of the majority to test reactions of competing wagons?

Venmar and Amrun have disappeared. Amrun disappeared because her AtE failed to get the lynch off her. She is scum. Venmar disappeared because ???

[Majiffy]

Venmar disappeared because ???

He said he'd be away for a day I think

Ok well

I'd like Venmar to weigh in whenever he gets a chance.

[Majiffy]

Amrun it's a 4 scum team and there is the possibility of 2 scum being on the same color team or the possibility of them not, it is open-ended in that respect.

[Majiffy]

1) 11 pages isn't much.
2) They're kind of required reading.

[Majiffy]

I, for one, am getting thoroughly

im

patient.

[Majiffy]

1987 was scumposting at it's finest.

[Majiffy]

Amrun of the Red Jaguars

,

brave explorer

, has been lynched!

Hasch you spelled "Temple Guard" wrong.

[Majiffy]

Wouldn't mind Green v Orange.

[Majiffy]

a 1 vs 1 right now would be ridiculous.

[Majiffy]

Well there's 2 votes Green v Orange.

[Majiffy]

No need. We've got suspects in Green and Orange that can challenge each other.

[Majiffy]

Only person i like in GvO is Venmar, with a slight townread on AP.

[Majiffy]

Only person i like in GvO is Venmar, with a slight townread on AP.

How is that called having suspects in both green and orange. Its called having suspect in green

I want more from both of the Orange players.

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy:
I like how you seem to be using the plan now whenever it suits you.

You think putting them in the lynch pool is of any use when nobody focus on them?

Who said anything about any plan? I'm still playing this my way.

I think GvO would result in some interesting things.

Majiffy, I love how you are so willing to appear eager to challenge Green and then it turns out that was all just for show.

The fuck you on about?

Only person i like in GvO is Venmar, with a slight townread on AP.

But even if Venmar is scum, he snot getting lynched over anyone on Green anyways. (And I really doubt he is anyways)

I'm trying to extract a point out of this but I just keep coming back to shrugging my shoulders and going "ok?"

I want more from both of the Orange players.

Hello. Sorry if Im not up to my usual standards, but I'm still working my ass off with this and my other games, thanks.

Woah there snarky pants, I just said I want more from you, not a 16-year-old-girl attitude.

[Majiffy]

I'm trying to extract a point out of this but I just keep coming back to shrugging my shoulders and going "ok?"

Well? If you think I'm town and the probabilities of Venmar getting lynched are not really there, why put us in a lynch pool?

I'm not trying to get Venmar lynched whatsoever. I think you're reading wrong.

Why would GvO be interesting? Im having a hard time imagining why you would think that.

A lady doesn't tell all her secrets.

I asked yesterday if you would challenge Green and you were like 'oh ya of course I would' and now you are dodging around about it. Nothing scummy about not issuing a challenge but your response feel like appeasing in hindsight.

I don't recall saying anything about me personally challenging Green today. Quote for proof.

[Majiffy]

Woohoo I was on every major wagon so far!

Do I get a cookie?

[Majiffy]

Goddamnit

[Majiffy]

Lest we forget
1987
1993
2011
2018
2043
VOTE: Elyse

[Majiffy]

Those posts you linked actually make me think she's town, not scum.

You have a history of thinking backwards.

tie me to Enomis**

Why are you worried about being tied to a player that isn't even up to lynch?

[Majiffy]

You have a history of thinking backwards.

Explain how they are scummy.

First she ties herself to Amrun as if you're supposed to suddenly read her as town if Amrun flips town.
Then she repeatedly makes comments about Coug, tying those two lynches together.
She's trying to get people to mentally link her alignment to two flipped townies.

[Majiffy]

Then you should vote Elyse with me.

[Majiffy]

You have a history of thinking backwards.

Explain how they are scummy.

First she ties herself to Amrun as if you're supposed to suddenly read her as town if Amrun flips town.
Then she repeatedly makes comments about Coug, tying those two lynches together.
She's trying to get people to mentally link her alignment to two flipped townies.

Bullcrap. I don't see any of that.

It's ok I have lowered expectations for you.

[Majiffy]

Lining up lynches?

[Majiffy]

And seriously on a late policy?

[Majiffy]

wtf? Policy? Did you miss the fact that I think you're scum?

I missed the part where you gave any semblance of a reason to call me scum.

This feels contrived.

[Majiffy]

I'll check this later.

[Majiffy]

Disregard earlier post: will deal with tomorrow.

[Majiffy]

Disregard earlier post: will deal with tomorrow.

Except tomorrow being today now.

It isn't tomorrow until I've slept.

if majiffy is scum I will fucking

hurt

him.

Baby you can hurt me anyway <3

[Majiffy]

I actually very much enjoy the composition of the Elyse wagon so far.

Now if we could just get Eno to hammer that'd be greeeeat.

[Majiffy]

I'd prefer enomis-Majiffy tomorrow.

I feel like that would result in a mislynch.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, what are your thoughts on qwints?

Majorly improved the slot. Reading him as town.

Majiffy, why are you voting me?

Lest we forget
1987
1993
2011
2018
2043
VOTE: Elyse

Amongst other posts you can find easily accessible in my ISO.

[Majiffy]

Amongst other posts you can find easily accessible in my ISO.

[Majiffy]

Oh it appears Enomis did my job for me.

Thanks pal!

[Majiffy]

If premise 1 is false, how does this change 2 and 3?

[Majiffy]

I don't think Mollie is scum.

[Majiffy]

Lol

[Majiffy]

Man that Elyse wagon is still looking fantastic.

[Majiffy]

Rage. Pure, unadulterated rage.

[Majiffy]

AP and one of Wisdom/Grim.

[Majiffy]

And we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

[Majiffy]

Also I'm not in the mood for your bullshit right now so don't push me, mmkay?

[Majiffy]

... I gave you an answer, you dipshit.

[Majiffy]

AYYEEEE PEEEEEE + 1 UHF WIZZDUM/GIRRRIMMMM

Here, in case you're fucking illiterate, I spelled it out like I would teach a five year old. And super-sized, so you don't miss any of it.

[Majiffy]

Yeah pretending I'm stupid won't help your cause.

There are three other scum besides NS and you only named two.

And we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

You're lookin' pretty stupid from this end.

And why do you have to be so hostile? You're one of the main reasons this game is unenjoyable.

I'm hostile because your inability for basic reading comprehension has made this game unenjoyable.

[Majiffy]

I don't assemble teams. I hunt scum. As it stands right now, you, AP, wisdom and grim are on my list.

If you have a problem with how I scumhunt, you can shut your mouth because I haven't seen you do jack shit this game.

[Majiffy]

But I like how your defense is "LOL U CAN'T PICK MY TEAMMATES". That's pro.

[Majiffy]

Oh wait isn't that how you defended Amrun? Oh we're back to you tying yourself to Amrun again. Which is why I'm voting you. Which I clearly stated, that you patently ignored, and then IGNORED AGAIN when you asked me to explain why I'm voting you.

Which brings us back to you either being a) scum, b) retarded, c) both.

[Majiffy]

Anything else on your feeble mind I can clear up for you?

[Majiffy]

I've already responded to your reasoning, Majiffy. So what you are saying is completely false.

Quote it, then.

[Majiffy]

Considering that isn't what I was calling you scum for, that's not a response.

[Majiffy]

Amrun isn't scum, I'm not scum

, and Grim/enomis/qwints ARE scum. Thanks.

Bolded: Pretty much the definition of tying yourself with another player's flip.

Dunno about taurus, but this looks to me like the scumteam is NS/Amrun/Elyse, Elyse did that on purpose, and Amrun used that to townread her.

Hello double standard.
It's fine when you townread me about it but when someone else does, I'm scum faking it and my partner is using it to townread me?

Read: "When Amrun flips town I'm obvtown!"

SHE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AS ANYONE'S SCUM TEAMMATE. You seem to be trying to push her lynch saying she could be scum with me, but hello, there are FOUR people on the scumteam and you only have three. Who's the fourth? Answer: no one.

Hey isn't this the same defense you just tried to use for yourself? Hmm. Wonder what they would call that when you use the same defense on yourself as you do for a flipped townie...

I don't have a list of reads ready for you for every possible scenario.

I also got a chuckle out of this, considering it completely betrays your defense from earlier.

I'm not going to waste my time trying to find a townread scummy when my initial scumteam isn't even wrong yet. You're accusing me of not doing work I didn't need to do. How is that scummy at all?

More lulz like the above.


----

And that's just from one post. Need I go on?

[Majiffy]

Here, have more.

Amrun - Didn't know how many scum there were, doesn't make sense with anyone as scum (besides me I guess but I know I'm town)

More tying.

And why are you scared I will use Amrun's flip against you? She's flipping scum, right?

Far too confident an argument to take for someone who doesn't know the alignment of the person they're defending. This is basically a scum claim.

You're fucking stupid if you think Amrun is scum with me and qwints.

Wait didn't you just say that Amrun works as your teammate?

Uh huh...

Neither. I'm on my phone. But your last few posts are a prime example as well as the ones after Coug's flip.

Tying Amrun/Coug together, which is essentially linking herself to Coug. Thus, tying yourself to two flipped townies.

Anyone not voting Amrun after this either has no reading comprehension or is a scumbuddy.

[Majiffy]

*Elyse, not Amrun.

[Majiffy]

Why did it have to take so much pushing and prodding to get this out of you?

Because it was already self-evident to the 4 people on your wagon. Why should I need to post a full case when the reasons you're scum are self-evident?

No it's not. At all. It's just the order of the sentence.

That'd be easy to swallow if all the evidence didn't point to the contrary.

What? How do you get that at all? Wisdom said I was scum with Amrun and I faked what I said to get her to townread me. Should my response be "Yeah, maybe"? NO.

No, your response should be "I'm not scum", not "Oh so I'm scum because x is scum townreading me for y?"

Hmmm...considering Amrun was TOWN, doesn't that, I dunno, make sense?

Yes, it makes sense that you're using a defense you used on a townie to defend yourself.

BECAUSE THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF TYING YOURSELF TO A TOWNIE.

Yes but I'm only asking you one scenario and it directly affects today's lynch. And why didn't you say something like this earlier? Instead, you made it seem like you had a plan for when I flipped town. That's scummy. You didn't play it off like I did.

I do have a plan. Lynching other scum reads.

What's scummy is that you're acting like because I scum read you I have to have teams for every possible scum-you and town-you combination. Because the question you posed could just have easily been followed up with: "{what if y is town?/What if x is town?/What if z is town?}"

By the way; What you responded to there

was

only one scenario. A scenario you didn't have prepared.

Grim never prompted me before that. I would have no problem if he asked me specifically for my scumteam if a scumread flipped town, but he just said "You're scummy for not looking at every option." This case is completely different. I'm not calling you scummy for not considering your scumreads wrong, I'm calling you scummy for not being able to come up with a scumteam for when I flip town.

Why is it scummy that I go after one scum at a time instead of trying to link associative after associative after associative on unflipped players? Because the latter is a highly ineffective strategy.

You're saying it's scummy not to play in the most inefficient, least productive way possible.

It's true. Everyone said Amrun didn't make sense with anyone as scum but me. How am I scum for saying that?

Because from your perspective, you aren't scum. Ergo Amrun doesn't make sense with anyone, not anyone (except maybe me I guess lol hehe look how town I am for admitting I might be scum! I'm gonna look soooo town when she flips town!)

Oh, like confident enough to challenge a team when there wasn't even a consensus reached? You out of ANYONE should know confidence isn't a scumtell. Come on now.

There isn't even a shred of an analogy between those two, I'll accept this as an admission of guilt.

You missed the QWINTS part.

So why did you include yourself, then?

Oh right, tying.

Wtf is this? First, I'm not tying Amrun and Coug together. I was pointing out where Grim flip flopped on people. Second, even if I was, I'm not linking myself to Coug. This is bullshit.

First, yes you are. By using Coug's flip as an example of reference in regard to Amrun's future flip.
Second, yes you are. If A is like B and B is like C, then A is like C.

[Majiffy]

How about you provide an argument for why I'm scum.

[Majiffy]

When in this game should my response

ever

be I'm not scum? I'm supposed to give REASONS for why I'm not scum.

What you gave wasn't a reason why you're not scum.

I'm not using that defense because I'm tying myself to Amrun. I'm using that defense because it's true.

It's a piss-poor defense.

No I'm not. Please read what I said and try again. I'm not calling you scummy for that.

Then please restate what you

are

calling me scummy for.

What?

NS flipping town.

That's the kind of strategy that got Amrun lynched. And Amrun was town. My strategy got NS lynched. And yet mine is inefficient and unproductive? In other games, maybe, but not in a nightless mountainous when the only tools besides scumhunting are associative tells.

So you lynched NS on associatives on unflipped players? Weird. That's not why I voted him. But whatever floats your boat.

I said that because I could see people (you specifically) saying "Amrun DOES makes sense with someone. She makes sense with YOU."

Me specifically? Are you fucking retarded? Show me where you even got an inkling of me considering saying that whatsoever.

Yes there is. You were so confident that Grim/SC were scum that you challenged them. I was confident in Amrun town.

I had them both as scum reads and so decided it was a good place to challenge. It had nothing to do with confidence. And you're skewing the scenarios, in general. I'll elaborate more when I have time.

I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT MYSELF HERE.

If you (A) tie yourself to another player (B) in a post, and then
Tie that player (B) to another player (C) [THIS POST!]

You have reached conclusion
A = C.

Fucking christ learn logic.


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Could the people not currently on the qwints wagon provide reasons for not being there? (as specific as possible)

Because Qwints looks town and Elyse looks scum.

Majiffy, both grim and I don't like the case on Elyse. Doesn't that suggest you should reevaluate?

No, because Grim is possible scum and you're possible dumb.

[Majiffy]

Venmar trust me on this one, we need an Elyse lynch.

Lynch wiil not go wrong.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, both grim and I don't like the case on Elyse. Doesn't that suggest you should reevaluate?

This is you KNOWING I don't belong to your alignment.

wut

[Majiffy]

Feel like qwints just overthought that response far more than necessary.

But I find it weird why he didn't include me, since I also find it bullshit.

Tbf you're

also

bullshit though.

[Majiffy]

AP and one of Wisdom/Grim.

^ +Elyse, obviously.

[Majiffy]

And I have not forgotten how he forgot his scumread on Grimgroove to vote Coug on D1, something that all of you have completely forgotten and ignore.

This is just wrong on so many levels. Like seriously horribly bad wrong.

[Majiffy]

Grim, care to explain why you're townreading me in the thread and scumreading me in the QT?

[Majiffy]

I don't particularly like your QT post. Reads very self-conscious, as if you had planned on eventually posting it to try to look town.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy move your vote to Grim then. Elyse is a terrible lynch now.

It's

my

Elyse wagon and I need it

now!

[Majiffy]

I don't particularly like your QT post. Reads very self-conscious, as if you had planned on eventually posting it to try to look town.

I can't believe this.

Yeah, just lynch me then. If after that post I'm not obvtown, I don't know what will make me. Didn't think anyone would put it in thier mind I would actually make up such a thing. Fuck. All of you.

umad?

usoundmad.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy is angry I'm scumreading him again.

Are you? Because I can't tell your head from your ass in any of your reads.

[Majiffy]

You've been a scum read for a while, mate.

Why are you suddenly gung-ho for Elyse now that a wagon is mounting on you?

[Majiffy]

And furthermore, why are you not voting for her?

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

You take that back, I'm obvtown.

[Majiffy]

Um...

No.

[Majiffy]

I'm around if anyone wants to chit chat.

[Majiffy]

I'm around if anyone wants to chit chat.

Hi

Sup.

[Majiffy]

Dunno want Elyse dead.

[Majiffy]

Why won't you vote Elyse with me? Her entire defense is "lol u can't pair me with anyone".

[Majiffy]

Venny where u go

[Majiffy]

Nuh uh