Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

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game starts moving at a crazy pace.

Mollie, Majiffy and AP in the hooooouse

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So Im drinking this pineapple/coconut juice + rum.

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lol I like how it was obviously mollie and not majiffy

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I believe you

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<3 mollie

VOTE: Wis

Nice deflection

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omg majiffy I see you site-lurking get in here and help me stir the pot.

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Its a 12 player mountainous nightless where everyone is in a unique 2 person neighborhood.

Votes dont count until someone challenges another group, at which point only the challenging group and challenged group players can be voted.

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Majiffy is obvious lurking scum.

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I did the same thing. I got my PM and wtf'd. Venmar did the signing up business. I'm just here to look pretty and lynch scum.

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@AP:
Why you wtfed at your pm?

I forgot I signed up for this game.

pre-vote: angrypjdgeon

omgus-vote: Amrum

FoS: Amrun, since suggesting such things usually comes from scum going for cred.

I was about to say exactly this. FoS Wisdom for reading my mind.

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/inb4 he quadruple-triple-someserault-pike role gambits.

: ?

Hi SD! Sorry about state farm mafia.

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Wisdom is town.

Amrun is scum. Off the bat strategy speculation is definitely more likely to come from scum than town and I love how she is trying to prove shes town in 94 without just saying she is. The argument with wisdom makes zero sense from a town perspective, especially since she thinks hes town.

We should all also agree to use the vote tags for real votes because it's a different color.

Why does this matter?

If people are reading and comprehending the thread, there is no need for overly formatted voting. That just lets people be lazy and skim crap anyways.

we will lose this game fast.

appeal to fear. And probably not unless you think its scum just targeting town/town groups and if that is the case then just PL their scumbutts for doing stupid shit like that. Self-correcting problem.

Wow, and that talk about experience is BULLSHIT and completely irrelevant. Experience does not make someone a better player and really why the hell are you arguing this? You could be scumhunting people but instead you are having a pointless argument with someone you think is town - or do you?

Oh and the quick shift of tones suggests that amrun was faking all that outrage in the first place - which she was because shes scum so.

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Enomis is likely scum

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P-edit: I still don't see how Amrun's town-minded suggestion makes her scum. That's like saying "Elyse did something townie" "Scum wants to look townie" "Elyse is scum". I'm just not following the logic.

Shes focusing on a plan that really goes without saying in the first place (cast votes in bold, wooo ok) and won't stop elaborating on it as if its something well thought out when its really just common sense.

And shes getting uppity and emotionally vested in this argument with Wisdom who she thinks is town. Then drops all that rage immediately. Not a natural progression of thought. The argument about experience is an appeal to authority and, really? Early discrediting of people that she is Fosing and arguing with (despite thinking wis is town).

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And implies she is town for speculating on all this common sense and AtF in the first place? No.

Town typically doesn't argue bullshit with someone they think is town.

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^^ Mostly gut read. But the questions hes asking are pointless, looks like hes trying to fit in.

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Amrun came out having either a null or a scum read on Wisdom, which makes it completely legitimate for her to push Wisdom around considering his attitude.

Wow, ok. So Amrun's push wouldn't be legitimate if his attitude were not X but were Y instead.

- Feel bad for saying this, feel VERY bad and cry in a corner.

I really like Amrun, but she is scum in this game. And I'm sorry about that. But I do feel kinda bad.

and honestly I think town-AP would know that some of the things he brought up and said are BS, especially the experience and voting formatting things.

Oh well at least you are being totally honest about this.

Honestly, I believe Amrun is more likely scum than not for arguing common sense points. And really? Amrun raging about experience is town-motivated to you at all?

because I can relate.

Ok, well I really didn't see it that way.

Ok I see you are upgrading your soft-defense to a hard one after the fact. Coolio.

Its not faking an outrage if, by definition, they are doing something that is likely to make you outraged. What point are you making? Cause I just see you justifying Amrun's disguised AtF.

Take a step back and at least consider my posts from a town-mindset, Venmar. Thanks.

P-edit: oh god I cant get a post in.

Im going to SF pride, Im limited access this weekend.

P-P-edit: She really did call herself likely town for the plan and then defend the plan by pointing to "experience". That is not town motivated.

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Townread on mollie. I don't really see 181 coming from scum.

I dont see anything interesting about 181...at all.

Mollie, summarize your opinion of me for me.

Sc, were you saying your read on me is based on Wis flipping scum?

Majiffy, are you scum this game bro?

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If you don't even read, though, then why you expect to be treated seriously is beyond me.

Okay I read it, and I'll admit it looks better the way you put it now.
I guess there aren't many alternatives anyway, and I guess you have a point that if scum are capable enough to exploit the plan, they are capable enough to win without the plan too.

Do you see any holes in the plan?

THERE IS NO PLAN. THIS IS COMMON SENSE. YOU ARE MILKING TOWNCRED FROM NOTHING.

ffs venmar, how is Amrun not suspicious to you.

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I find his defense of Amrun dubious.

Me neither!

Why did mollie flip on me: (

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And I was being 100% not serious in 26

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SF pride was fun. I'll try to post tonight but I gotta drive my visitor to the aiport for at 5:00 am tomorrow morning so bear with me

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also I am still a bit pissy cos you like gave me no credit for figuring out everyone's alignment on d1 in poetic justice.

Ok. I don't just randomly compliment people, but you did read Majiffy especially well iirc if that is what you are getting at.

did you look at the game I linked where wisdom was scum?

I'll take a peek after work, I dont even remember seeing a link.

Mollie's 216 seems a bit contrived to come from scum - probably an honest observation. 223 also makes me wanna townread mollie and not look back.

But Justice was Buldermar.

lol. This game needs some delicious buldermar.

Which earned him alot of town cred last game. Part of why nacho believed he was town?

What game are you talking about?

Don't like how he fell silent in the QT

You have been a fountain of contentful posting in the QT, pardon me.

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I don't like how AP just didn't respond to me at all.

What about it being orderly conduct and therefore a plan?

I could be incredibly redundant if you'd like.

It appears to me that Wisdom is actively shifting his meta in this game. He's trying a different approach than I've seen him use in any other game.

Do you think hes scummy for that?

And if we could all vote yes or no to proceed with the nomination plan, please?

How about we use common sense and just declare intent to challenge someone so people who have huge objections to it can object.

I am not getting her town read on dance guy or me

Ya, is that QT based? I assumed it was. Apparently it was a joke, lol.

My obvtown read on SD was a joke since he hasn't posted content.

Sorry I thought you guys would get that.

@enomis
I already said that I found it strange that Wisdom attacked Amrun with so much venom. If it wasn't serious it would lie more with the meta I had on him. But apparently his meta is different.

I don't like how you're making generalizations about me asking useless questions and posting useless comments. The only "useless" one I can think of is my joke read on SD.

I didn't read it as a joke

Lol, wtf is this post. So is Elyse lying to cover up a scumslip in your mind?

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P-P-edit:

She really did call herself likely town for the plan

and then defend the plan by pointing to "experience". That is not town motivated.

Part in bold: Not true.
The rest: Don't agree.

Yes, she did:

In fact, traditionally, such suggestions are made far more often by town

Grim is not commenting on my alignment but soft-agrees with Venmar's 'case' on me and implies I'm blatantly misrepping events in the thread. I'm basically down to lynch that with no questions asked right now.

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Why wouldn't they? I do it all the time, arguing bullshit sometimes

allows you to get the feel of a person

, emotions they go through and possibly underlying motivations.
I actually find myself ending up in quite a few bullshit-arguments without really wanting to, but seriously, it happens all the time, for town and scum alike. I'm sure you know that.
Scummy argument to make.

You just said that her early read on him was suspect and now you are saying she was likely just prodding him for an early read.

Why do you feel the need to add a townread of Wisdom this early?

Phrasing STRONGLY suggests that he knows Amrun is scum and her reads are faked.

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I take back my Venmar suspicions. Hes town. No way he is scum with Amrun or Grim. Just derp. Venmar, you misread me so hard in Open Space. Just remember that good old AP was fucking right about you that time and I will be this time.

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Ugh I told myself I needed to cut back on games so I could start getting more sleep, start being more productive and ETC and then the Balto invitational starts and I check my inbox and this game snuck up on me from BLEH.

I really need to catchup all the way before I start spamming. I have no interest in voting Majffy and probably not mollie either.

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We agreed that we would come to a consensus on challenging and neither of us have been nominated. I'm personally fine with either of you going now, but since you have gone against the agreed upon plan, I think the more useful spot to put my vote is on you.

Could you take any less responsibility for your vote?

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Open Space? Idk what you're talking about.

Literally the only game we've played in together. Oh also Futurama.

Way to fucking snip that sentence in half so it says the opposite of what I actually said. That's so blatantly scum I can't even believe it. Wow.

Phrasing STRONGLY suggests that he knows Amrun is scum and her reads are faked.

Umm what? I know that Amrun is scum? So are you calling me scum?

I'm clearly talking about Grimgroove. What?

I did comment on your alignment: you're my scumread for having a very poor case and trying to sell it as a good one.

No, you hinted at having a read on me by painting me scummy and are now being direct when called out.

Although at this point I'd be perfectly fine with Majiffy dying for being so anti-town that it could

come from scum easily

-- and picking on the newbie in this manner isn't attractive either.

LOL. This is the worst excuse for a votepark. You feel so neutral about everyone in the group but instead of actually trying to scumhunt in it, a Majiffy vote is actually as great as having your cake and eating it too!

You are being petty about the plan; if you were town you would be trying to lynch scum as best you can.

I AM taking responsibility. I don't have a scum read on my partner, and while I'll happily switch to pirate mollie, there aren't that many people who thinks he's scum right now. Which leaves Majiffy.

Fair enough., but Grim is scum. VOTE: Grimgroove

Elyse, posture a bit for me about SC if you would.

I am not so sure about Majiffy town, wisdom.

You just said that Mollie and SC were more likely scum and majiffy was a PL.

So you totally forgot that Majiffy is your rage PL for breaking your plan. Its astounding that you've managed to fence-sit about all 4 candidates alignments and not even pretend to bother and scumhunt for the rest of the Day.

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Because a No-Lynch is bad

You do realize this game is nightless.

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I don't have strong scum reads on anyone in this group.

Fuck you, Majiffy. This is fucking terrible.

Fuck you, seriously.

The more I think about it the more the blood of righteousness flows through my veins.

VOTE: majiffy

Ok Amrun.

Go ahead and explain your grand Majiffy scumread to me. If you told me you were voting him out of pure spite (which you clearly appeared to be doing) then that would make sense. But you apparently forgot that you were doing that. But tell me more about this Majiffy case that Im managing to not read other than "Fuck you majiffy, you are so anti-town, fuck you"

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Im not pretending anything. Im catching up from my last posts.

Im working and making posts when I can, rofl.

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majiffy, I love you but that was a completely fucking idiotic thing to do. I get that you didn't want to go along with the plan cos you want to play the game your way but that was shitty to put us for a lynch without discussing it with me first

Town post 100% ^

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also since when did I become a scum read of yours cos this is the first time I have heard about it. why aren't you asking me questions or interacting with me?

I'm right over here when you figure this answer out for yourself.

I said what he did was fucking terrible and anti-town.

Im still not seeing any points from you other than
-Majiffy sucks for being anti-town

Even challenging someone who more people suspected (like AP's group) would have been marginally better.

-Subtly apologizing for your Majiffy vote for when he almost definitely flips town, but alas he has to go.

You can't tell me you aren't PLing him when you CLEARLY are pretending to be PLing him. Thats scummy as balls that you would deny it on the technicality that you never used the words "PL".

Vote: Strangercoug

This vote is dazzling, Venmar. Just sheep me on to Grimgroove, just sheeeeep.

but I don't like the way you're presenting yourself as my knight in shining armor coming to my rescue. The "blood of righteousness"-comment really made it look like that, and it comes eerily close to buddying.

Distance from Amrun all you want. I will remain steadfast.

Does Nobody Special know he is participating in this game?

Who cares, hes a lurksack and hes not lynchable atm. This is a prime example of someone doing something to appear pro-town that actually has no motivation behind it.

This is really REALLY obvious guys.

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On the first page AngryPidgeon seemed to imply this is a game-steering trio, so it could have been all the support Majiffy thought to be needing for a succesful lynch.

That was a joke. This is some REALLY horrifying justification for Amrun's point.

Amrun's point that Majiffy expected a nice quick ML on Grim with no questions asked. Which as Wisdom points out, there really was not THAT much support for.

And even if it did go through, its freaking NIGHTLESS MOUNTAINOUS. Do you still think Majiffy would risk taking a super easy ML and not worry about potential backlash from looking anti-town and aggressively MLing someone in a game like this?

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Mollie, did Majiffy tell you he was going to challenge before he did it?

She already addressed this. But pretending to not read clearly makes you scum. And really I know someone who was raging and omgusy about the challenge would definitely remember reading that tidbit.

But you are pretending that Majiffy was a scumread all along now, so.

I think he expected his lovely newbie wagon just to fall into place. I find him scummy for it.

Ok, first time you've been willing to say Majiffy is likely scum.

And really? Rushing out the gates with a challenge is more likely from town for obvious reasons.

I would argue he may do it as scum BECAUSE its such a strong town tell.

I have explained it, and quite thoroughly -- not in those posts, but in others which you are pretending to have read but have not.

Rofl. Yes Majiffy is scummy for organizing a lynch on Grim which has no notable support. Just handwave that away after Wisdom points it out. And the fact that Majiffy is likely trading himself for a townie at BEST in that hypothetical scenario. Totally makes sense for him to be doing that as scum. And you explained it ONCE. Thats IT. Everything else is QQ about Majiffy ruining your game which is obviously bullshit in light of your other posting.

Grim, yes, I now have a town read on you. Have for quite some time. Thought that was obvious.

This was not obvious at all.

@Grim: Burden of proof, fuck that. You are both individually scummy.

Window edit: BUT YOU WERE DEFENDING AMRUN's STANCE. YOU WERE TELLING WISDOM THAT THERE WAS CREDIBLE REASON TO BELIEVE AMRUN'S THEORY RIGHT HERE:

He didn't.
And Majiffy cannot read your QT.
Therefore, no. There were no suspicions on Grimgroove for Majiffy to count on.

AngryPidgeon did.
And pirate_mollie didn't seem to like me very much, Majiffy confirmed they were talking about me in their QT.

On the first page AngryPidgeon seemed to imply this is a game-steering trio, so it could have been all the support Majiffy thought to be needing for a succesful lynch.

Which is so only barely peripherally relevant anyways. You are defending Amrun here lightly and now saying you weren't. WTF were you doing if not saying that Amrun's hocus-pocus had merit when she was in the process of just handwaving away Wisdom's point?

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Amrun made ONE point for why Majiffy might be scum. It was incredibly farfetch'd to begin with and after loads of calling all 4 players null and pretending to rage at/omgus Majiffy.

But that looks bad so shes changing her story up and finding reason to suspect him after having established that he was just getting voted for being an ass originally.

Its super fake and Amrun needs to go tomorrow.

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Right and the singular point gets immediately questioned by Wisdom and Amrun BACKPEDALS ON IT AND ABSOLVES RESPONSIBILITY ON IT IMMEDIATELY. HER ONE POINT. ONE POINT. But no, just let her tell you she thinks Majiffy is scum and has obviously thought so since voting him.

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Hmm.

Well, I will check that when I have a few brain cells to rub together.

Amrun renouncing responsibility of

the only thing

she has had to say about Majiffy actually being scum ON A DIME. ^

You can't have your AtE and eat it too Amrun.

P-edit: Fighting words. Don't worry, Amrun is going before you.

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Yeah, you're not even trying to see a different point of view in this matter, are you? I don't think a challenge on you will be evitable in the next stage. If I were you and you are, against all odds, town, I'd get my cases shaped up and think about what lies ahead.

Then explain it to me. Because I'm explaining exactly what clearly happened in the train of events - You responding to Wisdom to provide incredibly peripheral evidence (Me/Majiffy/Mollie having meta on each other) to suggest that Amrun may be right about Majiffy expecting us to all line up and lynch YOU.

Which is even more bullshit because you think that 50% of those people are scum in the first place.

Did you ever say what your Majiffy read is?

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Hmm.

Well, I will check that when I have a few brain cells to rub together.

Amrun renouncing responsibility of

the only thing

she has had to say about Majiffy actually being scum ON A DIME. ^

You can't have your AtE and eat it too Amrun.

P-edit: Fighting words. Don't worry, Amrun is going before you.

Ok Grim lets pretend each other are town and talk for a minute.

How on earth is this ^^ not scummy to you.

How am I the only one seeing that she is raging at majiffy, calls everyone null, then later claims to have thought he was scum all along. And

the only actual tangible point

shes made for majiffy-scum is that he may have thought he could get a turbo QL out of it which she immediately backtracked on when questioned.

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PS: I don't know what you mean by Amrun is going before me, but just a heads up that Amrun is not in the lynchpool.

You were implying you were going to challenge me next Day which implies you survive today. Im saying I would lynch Amrun over you, how is that remotely unclear.

Re 498: Thought you had said something.

There is trying to understand someone's perspective (usually by questioning them about it to better understand it) and then blatantly defending someone's point by bringing in peripheral support depsite that person recanting their point.

And the fact that you officially suspect Amrun makes the roundabout defense of her RECANTED point all the more dubious.

But I don't want to talk about you which is something I get that you REALLY like talking about. I love your repeated subtle QQs about Majiffy thinking you are 'weak' instead of understanding Majiffy to just be an aggressive player.

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Amrun has said she never wanted to PL Majiffy. She claims to have always found him scummy. She claimed when this all started to find him less scummy that other people in the lynch group. She makes ONE tangible point about him and then takes it back almost immediately, but keeps INSISTING that her vote is because she believe Majiffy to be likely scum.

Agree/Disagree?

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Unvote

Since nightless is apparently a thing.

Why does that change your vote?

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But don't say he didn't have support for my lynch. You are the living proof of it.

This.
I'm not quite sure if AP wants to save Majiffy or Coug though at this point.

Yes, assign scum motive to whatever Im doing.

Get your head out of your ass.

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Oh my fucking god. It would be cool if people would talk to me about them.

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Seriously this game. Im scummy because my case sucks. I keep talking about my case. no one will EVEN FUCKING ACKNOWLEDGE IT.

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Phrasing STRONGLY suggests that he knows Amrun is scum and her reads are faked.

Umm what? I know that Amrun is scum? So are you calling me scum?

You ignore me other than agreeing with my Amrun pressure early and then misinterpret my post that is not even directed to you at all and omgus me for it.

Thats literally all you've had to say. Fuck you.

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Why do you feel the need to add a townread of Wisdom this early?

Phrasing STRONGLY suggests that he knows Amrun is scum and her reads are faked.

This is the post in question, you were answering a question regarding me, so I thought you were talking about me. What misrep?

Grim is asking Amrun why you are town.

I am commenting on Grim's post. You don't ask someone why they 'felt the need' to townread someone. That implies its not a genuine read.

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This thread needs more mollie. Mollie where are you leaning on voting?

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Pretty much that ^

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But GG is scum, so

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I had also called Amrun voting me out of spite.

Nono, that never happened. Shes voting you because you are scum which she has posted extensive evidence to support.

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I am, however, interested in why the hell Coug would care if Grim kept posting in the QT.

Why not? I've been interested in reading scum QTs after I've been lynched as scum even if its one scum left.

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^ In fact that SC isn't just intent on following his hypothetical scum QT after this but instead throws out a request that can be interpreted oddly as a supplement makes him probable town.

P-edit: I need to catchup.

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I don't think anyone but Grim in the group is likely scum really.

Sc, eh. I thought he was scum in Switchboard and I was wrong and hes doing similar things here.

I guess I could buy the request as an attempt to look uninterested in getting lynched.

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VOTE: Venmar

Way behind, catching up tonight :/

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Actually UNVOTE: , VOTE: Nobody Special

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Neither Venmar nor I have posted anything substantive.

I just post here if Im making posts.

And Im not because Im way fucking behind. Seriously reading after work.

Wisdom is very likely town though and I'd rather lynch NS than Venmar.

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Venmar, you aren't trying to hop on the issuing-challenges-randomly-for-towncred bandwagon are you?

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Even if only to spur him towards more content. He can't stay in hiding forever.

Ya, he can. Its NS.

Ugh Actually I don't think NS is scum. I fund it unlikely he fence-sits about everyone bar majiffy in his 'official' catchup post as scum.

This lynchpool is shit and Venmar should feel bad. Unless hes scum. Either way Im just going to ISO Venmar and see how I feel about that later.

I'd consider NS lynch a policy/lurker lynch but I have a light town read on him after reading his ISO.

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AP/Amrun

Your scum list is terrible because Im in it.

If you think Amrun and I have been cross bussing for no reason since D1 then you need to reevaluate your life choices.

Also Im town as fuck and werent YOU hopping on the AP's Amrun case is shitty wagon?

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I blame venmar tbh. I see why mollie was pissed off firsthand now.

Do you think Amrun is scummy regardless of my flip?

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Grims NS vote still scummy as shit. You dont vote for pressure and admit to doing it since that kills the purpose.

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You arent bussing NS just a little, are you Grim?

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If he doesn't provide content he's the scummiest of the bunch and should be lynched for it.

Do you really put stock in lurking as a scum-tell?

Basically, this is where Im at.

Majiffy, and Wisdom are strong townreads.
NS, Mollie and SD look townish.

Amrun is fucking scum. Grim is likely scum. Venmar/Enomis/Elyse are PoE scum.

Grim, what is your current read on Amrun?

If I'm wrong about one of my town reads, its probably safety dance.

P-edit: Cheeky! Ok Grim lets dance. UNVOTE: , VOTE: AP

Summarize your opinion on me.

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Lets talk about me Grim, NS is fucking BORING.

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And really a read on NS that amounts to "hes scummy for lurking" just means you've never read any NS game.

I can't fault you for bad logic, but NS is a distraction from people who are actually probable scum so lets fucking talk.

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You won't shut up about how obvious scum I am or taking potshots at me. So heres your chance. Lynch me for all that towncred Im worth.

Wisdom, way to fucking ignore pieces of the picture that are inconvenient to your world view (re Amrun and me). But I really don't care as long as you lynch Amrun immediately after me.

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AP is scum because he pushed a bullshit case on me that clearly and willfully misinterpreted things I was saying and was just all around ridiculous stretches.

Oh please. PLEASE. You can't understand my perspective so you OMGUS it. If you even remotely tried to understand my train of thought without resulting to immediate AtE and OMGUS I might buy that you are playing to a town wincon.

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More significantly than that, though, when I responded to him -- full response -- he didn't address it ever again even when I prodded him about it. That doesn't make sense for someone who is SO SURE I'm scum.

Yes Im fucking lurking. Im in way too many games right now, but pretend that my lurkiness is because Im afraid of talking to you. Scum logic. SCUM. LOGIC.

Also, deposite all this, I think we should lynch ns if he doesn't provide content today.

Hm, well this makes Amrun/Grim less likely a team.

I've played with AP once and he was much more active and persuasive in the other game.

Up until I lurked my ass off for significant portions of it.

Also that game had a lot less posts and I'm in about 2 more games than I was in that one. But no keep on with this SHITMETA. Elyse is probably scum with Amrun.

By everyone, you mean me, Majiffy, and Amrun, all of whom had scumreads on AP before.

Yes, assert that you had the read previously. Continue focusing on your appearance without actually doing anything.

I modded AP's newbie and I've met and played with him in real life. Yes, I know him.

I've played in one Newbie game and it was modded by Borkjerfkin. And Ive definitely never been in a game that you have modded, so I guess this is to blatant a lie to come from scum, right? Right.

I don't actually want to lynch him over AP. I want to use the threat of lynching him to force him to produce content.

Ok so one of you is scum and the other is probably just dumb. Cause I highly doubt Grim and Amrun are softbuddying so hardcore as scum. Actually Amrun is capable of it. She did in whatever that Quilford game was. Words with scum.

If we could just get more votes on AP that'd be

greeeeaaaaaaat

.

I cri everytiem. Majiffy we could have ruled the world together this game. We still can. I can offer you limitless power.rr

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Wisdom, way to fucking ignore pieces of the picture that are inconvenient to your world view (re Amrun and me).

What?
What am I ignoring?

I'm town.

There is no bussing happening and that is super obvious from my perspective. And in response to me bringing it up I get some bullshit about "Well you can X-bus since you aren't both in the same lynch pool"

Fuck you. I would have challenged her over any other team. And you'll note that we basicall would HAVE to vote each other anyways if the other was in a pool and OH LOOK THATS HAPPENING.

[AngryPidgeon]

Why the hell are you self-voting?

Why the hell not. Grim wants to posture about me being at L - 1, he can stop being a posturing scumbutt and hammer me.

[AngryPidgeon]

Why the hell are you self-voting?

Lets hear you posture about me doing that then, I wouldnt fucking self-vote as scum if I didn't have a decent response to this.

"No, that's bullshit, you're a fucking moron"
"No, that's bullshit, are you reading me as town again now plz?"

This is the dumbest post all game. Hes pointing out a disconnect in your reasoning and its

clearly

because hes desperate to be read as town. You are playing like shit this game, Majiffy.

Just promise me you will sheep my reads list after I flip. You owe me.

No way does Wisdom reverse his ap-scum read for such a very stupid reason.

It's too conspicuous for a scum on town or scum on scum interaction.

"Its too scum to be town". Tell me more about this insightful townpost, Amrun.

And I have a feeling you're dodging a pretty straightforward question.

So is he scum or isn't he? Wisdom is the last person I would accuse of dodging questions atm.

@Majiffy - Wisdom is scum, join me or I will re-sing my rebeca black parody of Wisdom.

Could you summarize this read for me?

[AngryPidgeon]

Venny if I get lynched, tell me in the QT if you are scum or not. Assuming that isn't a violation.

[AngryPidgeon]

"Its too scum to be town".

Errr too scum to be scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

^ But then WHO TO LYNCH TODAY.

But the fact you are focused on the big picture is just more proof you are town.

I'd buy that list, but I really think GG belongs in it instead of Safety.

But Safety isn't mindlessly raging like Im used to him doing as town, so

[AngryPidgeon]

Anything he said about me was wrong.

I don't like this AtE; scum like to imply they are town without saying it.

NS

, did you really have nothing to say about me popping in to Venmar and immediately changing my mind to vote YOU?

@Grim
You said "AP has been wrong all game." Can you show where he's wrong?

The more I read, the more I want to lynch Elyse for making wishywashy posts and interpreting what limited meta she has of me to fit her read of me. Also this ^ is just scum fitting in. GG was clearly just AtEing about my read on him and this question is way too missing-the-forest-for-the-trees to likely come from town.

The only thing I'm convinced of, both through gut and brain: pirate_mollie is town.

Only thing you are sure of. Could you summarize this surefire read for me then?

I thought it was scummy because he was using an associative tell to paint me off as scummy, without having seen either of us flip. And that was all he had on me. This was his case.

There is nothing wrong with associative tells. Being wrong is not a scumtell even if you _know_ I am.

b ut his challenge puts this in a new light. My gut tells me he's town though.

You think Venmar making the challenge is likely from town? Is that specifically related to Venmar or was Majiffy doing it also townish?

Elyse

I like that Elyse is working her way into scumlists.

[AngryPidgeon]

NS, did you really have nothing to say about me popping in to

vote

Venmar and immediately changing my mind to vote YOU?

missed a word.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'd lynch Venmar if he's going to continue being useless all game. Or NS because equally he will most likely be lurking all game. But both of those are more policy lynches than anything.

I need to ISO venmar. I think Venmar is slightly more likely to flip scum, but I'd probably support lynching NS over Venmar just because Im always wrong about my NS read anyways and that makes him scum this game

[AngryPidgeon]

Majiffy where are you Im OD'ing on coffee and need someone to rage at.

[AngryPidgeon]

Why am I scum.

Who is this to - no one said you were likely scum.

AP is just mad he's at risk of being lynched. You poor summer child.

This lynch pool is over 9001% better than Majiffy's lynchpool, btw, and I made it bloody obvious I would make this challenge after strangercougs flip.

Strawmaaaan. 1) No it isn't 2) I don't care if you 'called dibs' on challenging obv-scum Wisdom. Half the reason Im being mislynched is because Im lurking because I NEED TIME TO CATCH UP IN MY GAMES.

And you'll at least have the courtesy to see from my perspective that I'm town. You obviously dont want to be lynched. That leaves Wisdom and NS. One of those is probably town and one of those is a chronic lurker who has barely postedm, WOOOOO. But lurker lynches make everybody happy so clearly this pool is better!

I never saw you make the declaration coincidentally!

Why are you defending about issuing the challenge. Im annoyed the same way Mollie was, but no one called you likely scum for issuing it (at least not me).

[AngryPidgeon]

This lynch pool is over 9001% better than Majiffy's lynchpool, btw, and I made it bloody obvious I would make this challenge after strangercougs flip.

Wisdom's retardedly opportunistic, waffly, and flip-floppy stance on me is so painfully scummy that i'm sitting here wondering why people are so baffled on him. Just trust Venmar, flip out your 7inch vote and plunge it the full 7 inches into his vote box.

I can understand if you think Wisdom is scum, but you are ignoring me and NS. And I think you'd give a shit if your #1 scumread, the reason you are claiming to think this pool is great (at least the only person in it you're willing to push in it) is a sideshow to other people in the pool.

[AngryPidgeon]

Wisdom is only voting for me because he thinks I am being retarded and useless.

classic discredit case

I cant tell if this irony was intentional or not.

Wisdom is waffly and flip-floppy because his read on me sporadically changes depending on how much I am pushing him. He changes it to serve his purpose, he attacks me and I attack him, ignores me when I ignore him. It's purely a scum motivated tactic for survival.

Fine, I'll duo-ISO you two after I'm off work and look for this. I really really need to actually be productive atm though ><

and then when AngryPidgeon shows interest in a Venmar-scumread, he flips YET AGAIN, DROPS HIS AP SCUMREAD

Wisdom's last scumpool didn't have you in it. Neither of us has been parading you as scum. Ironically, Im considering voting you because OF THE LYNCH POOL.

since town should have no town motivation to clog up the thread.

This is not a scumtell. Its a playstyle thing. Wisdom actually reminds me of town-buldermar a bit for that reason.

PEdit: Oh no, the reason this lynch pool is so great is because YOU are in it.

Lol, after I call you on it you stop ignoring me. And are simultaneously appealing to me personally to vote wisdom. And dont give me this BULLSHIT. Im helping you lynch me, this is a 1 time offer. Hop on while there still towncred to go around.

I think if you were town you would remember this instead of use it as ammunition like a scum.

Lol, I actually just remembered that we were in Tintin mafia as well, so 3 games.

I can't remember jackshit about who you were pushing other than TechnoWC in that who lurked for the last half of D1. Even if this is true, its an incredibly unrealistic expectation for you to have of me. All I remember from OpenSpace was conf-towning you and getting pissed when you voted me. And in Futurama I recall you being willing to sheep onto lurkscum Eidolon before qwints swooped in and

bussed

owned Piggygal.

[AngryPidgeon]

Elyse - Probably Town

Why?

No, you're not reading it correctly, you're just forcing things. Town lynch town all the time, whoever lynches town is not automatically scum.

What post was Venmar referring to in the first place?

[AngryPidgeon]

I swear, if you guys lynch me while thinking I am town... UAGUGHAUFGAUFG

[AngryPidgeon]

AP, don't give me this shit about ignoring your case or whatever. I tried to engage you about your case, and you just TOTALLY ignored me.

Yes thats exactly what happened and not me lurking in general which I already addressed. Amrun, you are ignoring my posts that I would expect you to understand if you were town!!!!!!

Aaaand I like some of these more recent ap posts. Well damn.

Doesn't matter, though -- I still think he's scum.

What about it did you like if you aren't even remotely considering voting someone else in this 'fantastic pool' then.

Also wtf at you not being in a newbie I modded? Remember, UN was in it and was scum and his partner ruined the game...? We talked about this like 3 times before.

??????? I've been in a single newbie game ever and it was modded by Bork. The end.

Why do you think cases are important?

WTF is this. You are grilling me about ignoring your case.

You have posted, just not about the things I think you would be interested in as actual town with a genuine scum read on me.

Thats because. Im defending myself from this shit wagon and you aren't able to be voted right now and THAT means there are more interesting things to worry about.

[AngryPidgeon]

Who am I distracting from?

I didn't mean you. Its just a phrase I say to mean that player X is an ok PL, but I doubt they are actually going to flip scum.

I think you're scummy for your case on me that was entirely based on a percieved association with Amrun.

That was literally one sentence I made in one post. The rest of everything I've said about you is not related to Amrun.

Although I did expand more on that only because Wisdom thought I was talking to him for some reason.

I think Amrun is scummy because of buddying, a lack of cases.

FFS, can everyone just go and read her stance on Majiffy in ISO starting from the first challenge?

She actually voted him out of spite and later claimed that she was scumreading him the whole time when she admits to not scumreading anyone in the group. So yes, Im glad we can agree on that anyways : )

I know you're already convinced I'm scum.

It would be very good to just lynch you and get that over with

, but right now I think Nobody Special's lurkishness is more reason for worry.

: ?

I don't see how those two sentiments are related unless you are blatantly suggesting I should be lynched for being incorrect about a read on you.

Re NS: he isn't a strong read and I will likely never feel strongly about NS because hes a chronic lurker and his posts are always scummy as balls to me. But I find it unlikely that he claims to catch up on reading and only offers one wishy-washy scumread as scum. Its going to get him pressure when he could jsut cough up a few bullshit reads and present them. It reads more as apathetic town, but all things considered hes my fav lynch if I had to pick from this pool.

[AngryPidgeon]

I've been v/la for pretty much the whole duration of this game, and I still manage to respond to thingsy scum reads say to me

So? You want me to make sure to ISO my scumreads and answer questions they make?

This whole line of thought on me hinges around me 'reading and pretending I havent' which is hilarious. What in your mind WOULD I HAVE REPSONDED TO just now. Im sure you're talking about my posts today. I started reading from where I started quoting shit.

[AngryPidgeon]

What in your mind WOULD I HAVE REPSONDED TO just now

And by that I mean in my string of catchup walls today. Im assuming that is what you mean in part at least.

[AngryPidgeon]

Why would she put her neck out for safety dance like that as scum, being who he is? And in general, I follow her posts and they come off as townish to me.

For towncred assuming he flips town? That took zero imagination from me.

Why the hell are you self-voting?

Why the hell not. Grim wants to posture about me being at L - 1, he can stop being a posturing scumbutt and hammer me.

What is this about?

What do you think its about. If you want to talk about putting me at L - 1 and then go posture on the NS wagon instead, be ready to get called out on it.

p-edit: holy butt.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP's self-vote followed by rage posting just shows how he's bluffing and is desperate to stay alive.

Or maybe Im actually townposting and pissed off that Venmar threw me into a lynchpool that I sidagree with before I could actually catch up in the clusterfuck.

Im glad you have a compelling reason to interpret it this one way over the other. But coming from someone who called me scum for lurking and not playing like I did in one other game (which was a hugely different game that I actually did lurk in anyhow), I wasnt exactly expecting a reasoning from a->b.

[AngryPidgeon]

If I interpreted your meta to make you look town, you would have no problem with it

Oh boy a hypothetical accusation against me that is completely unprovable either way at this point.

And then AP buddies Wisdom by saying he looks town for focusing on the big picture. That's just dumb

I've been calling Wisdom town since all game. So this point is a blatant construe of my intentions.

So not AP? Now he's town after spamming the thread, self-voting, and raging at people who dare call him scum?

Frankly, yes. Yes I am.

Im not always town but when I am its obvious as shit....

when Im not lurking : )

Theres a reason I've only ever been Mislynched twice. Im not going to 3 today.

How is that focusing on my appearance?

You are asserting that you had a scumread on me to show consistency.

This is a minor point since I understand its a response to wisdom, but you are stating something without really concluding anything and I dislike that you are drawing attention to the fact you are being consistent when that really isnt relevant. Like...why not ask Wisdom to clarify that opinion?

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm realllllly not feeling that wall post, Elyse.

[AngryPidgeon]

I can see that you're pissed off, and you have every right to be, but why is that townposting?

Eh, I'm more reserved as scum. But I meant in general, not just the fact that Im upset. My scumposts are a bit more...shame-ridden I guess? I thought Amrun was actually citing my newbie game at first and had typed up a bit asking how she could possibly see me as scum, knowing I was scum there then remembered that amrun was not in that game at all and WTF'd even more.

I always have no shame in calling myself obvious town when I am. When Im scum Im just sleazy....but Im good at scum and town.

P-edit: I mean I think you are scum. I don't just blindly omgus everyone, TYVM.

Re my Wisdom read: Its not and lol.

Re 3 votes on me: mmmm. Ugh, this is coming down to gut isn't it. The way you phrased your response seemed unnaturally defensive to me since Wisdom was casting doubt on the people voting me.

What were you hoping to accomplish by pointing it out?

p-p-edit: I dislike Venmar explicitly stating that hes upset hes getting voted by someone he thinks is town. He is the one that chose the lynch pool in the first place and has been very unashamed of it. Also he thinks Wisdom is scumscumscum so why QQ about Wisdom's reason for voting him.

[AngryPidgeon]

Alright so basically Wisdom is either easily misled town or scum trying to save his buddy AP. I'm thinking the former.

Although you have me and Wisdom as scummates on 3/4 of your proposed teams which all seem a bit too certain.? Your lack of scumpool in favor of listing explicit 4 man scumteams rubs me wrong.

[AngryPidgeon]

So it's probably AP/enomis/Grim/Safety. That's my bet.
Other possibilities are AP/enomis/NS/Wisdom, AP/enomis/Safety/Wisdom or AP/NS/Safety/Wisdom.

Right so you keep talking about me and GG in that post and how Im probably manipulating the fuck out of poor wisdom, but hes on 3/4 of your proposed teams with me and GG who you just postead about being le scummzorz is in 1/4 of those pools.

Sounds legit, Elyse.

[AngryPidgeon]

you came back, you responded to a ton of things that happened in the same time frame but zero percent of my substantial responses to you.

Ok, Im actually leaving work in like 30 minutes or something. I'll look for this post.

I will tell you what I did today. I went to the top of P33 and started reading after reading the VC. I have not done more than skim anything from around the flip to P33. And I would say 'skim' lightly even then since I really havent done that. so let me rephrase my question. What, on P33+, would you have expected me to respond to. Because I should have gotten more work done today but instead I said 'no fuck it I need to not be so embarrassingly behind' and started reading the more relevant (current) posts.

So I dont want this crap about what AP may or may not have read or lied about reading or defo would have responded to. Point me to what I should have addressed.

[AngryPidgeon]

That's why you're scum.

You keep saying this and it sounds an awful lot like an 'evidence to fit the reads' mindset.

[AngryPidgeon]

VOTE: Venmar
This is happening 100%.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm not whining that Wisdom is voting for, i'm whining for his reasoning which is only strengthening my scumread on him and it's so awful.

WHO CARES? YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO WHINE BECAUSE YOU DUG YOUR OWN DITCH.

AND YES ITS INCONSISTENT THAT YOU GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WISDOM VOTING YOU WHEN YOU DECIDED THE LYNCH POOL.

And yes back up your vote on me by saying that its that nobody gives a shit anymore so youre just willynilly voting. Just like your challenge.

Jesus christ.

[AngryPidgeon]

VOTE: Venmar
This is happening 100%.

Lol, please do be more OMGUS.

If you are town, then you truly cannot read me, like always :/

Oh but you are voting me for DGAF reasoning since fuck everyone for not sheeping you onto Wisdom, so your vote is totally cool!

[AngryPidgeon]

Congratulations, you are a better PL than NS. Confetti and cake everywhere.

[AngryPidgeon]

It's not that he is discouraging me, no, it's that nobody gives a fuck about what I have to say in regards to reads.

No, this is his statement for why hes voting me.

That nobody will acknowledge his reads. But also Venmar is too good to read those recent wallposts, so nope nope nope.

[AngryPidgeon]

PEdit: How about you understand what you are feeling is what I was feeling with every interaction with Wisdom. Lololol.

Did Wisdom throw you into a lynch pool with pre-existing suspicion on you and then try to absolve responsibility for having done so?

Ugh I really am behind.

[AngryPidgeon]

And I still would rather lynch at least 3 people before anyone in this group as far as overall likelihood to flip scum is concerned.

This is turning into a bullshit pissing match because it was destined to be one from the getgo.

[AngryPidgeon]

Yeah I hammered btw.

Lynch elyse tomorrow, thanks.

I absolve any responsibility from this impending loss.

[AngryPidgeon]

Im on my phone driving home.

Gets her own tier for being so obv: Elyse
Scummy: amrun, grim

Townpool no order: wisdom,venmar, ns,mollie, majiffy.

enomis/sd are whatever.
One last thing. Venmar, were you talking about me or Wis that you cslled an ass?

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh. Well then im sorry. I thought you were calling me an idiot.

[AngryPidgeon]

Lmao

[AngryPidgeon]

Town

[AngryPidgeon]

I made that post while driving on the freeway, sorry it wasnt everything you always wanted.

Want anything from tbell?

[AngryPidgeon]

We're also both expecting AP to flip town.

Iaintevenmade.jpg

[AngryPidgeon]

???

We're also both expecting AP to flip town.

I thought you were voting him..?

[

We're also both expecting AP to flip town.

I thought you were voting him..?

[AngryPidgeon]

WHAT DO WE SAY TO THE DEATH GOD?

NOT TODAY.

[AngryPidgeon]

(there's no way someone doesn't know how many votes they have, especially when they have self-voted)

If I cared about how many votes on me, I wouldn't be voting myself.

plant town looking reactions

OR MAYBE IT WAS THE ACTUALLY OBVIOUS CHOICE YOU IDIOT.

[AngryPidgeon]

His reaction was NOT ragey, as I'd expect of town -- it was cautious. Now I'm unsure what to think.

Let me paint a fucking picture for you.

I roll into the office at 9. I feel really bad about lurking my ass off in this game so I start making posts. People are mislynching me and nothing actually gets me more involved in a game than people trying to ML me. (But AP this is AtE! Yes, and screw you too.) so I start posting back. Suddenly its lunch time and I havent done any actual work. Im feeling moderately shitty because my sleeping schedule is shit and I just can't bering myself to work when I know the idiots in my game will eventually realize Im obviously playing to a town wincon if I do the one thing that actually makes my town play good and just post my stream of thoughts and rage. Finally its 5:15 or some shit. And I actually havent done jackshit for work because Ive been playing this game all day. I'm fucjking exhausted from sitting at my cube which is too hot and not having any sleep and generally angry at myself for not getting any work done and to top it all off Venmar (I was wrong about this but whatever) blatantly insults me personally so I raged at him, saw Amrun as k if it was the hammer but didnt care enough to do something other than tell Venny to piss off. When he confirmed it, I said "fucking dumbass" outloud and looked around to see if the guy that sits behind me heard it (he had headphones on). So no, I did not give enough fucks to verify whether or not I was hammered. I was telling myself that I was overbooked on games anyways and was kinda happy it was all over.

But this game is a fucking Zombie and apparently its not going away. But neither am I, BITCHES. THIS IS A NIGHTLESS SO YOU ALL GET TO ENJOY ME.

[AngryPidgeon]

I just read it again. He took too long to address it. That's not natural.

VOTE: angryPidgeon

WHAT DID I NOT ADDRESS IN A SATISFACTORY TIME FRAME?

FOR SOME ONE WHO IS COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING GIVEN SHIT FOR ACTIVITY, THIS IS HYPOCRITICAL AS FUCK.

Let me find the quote

[AngryPidgeon]

Trying to paint my infrequent phone posting as scummy when it's public knowledge I'm not around for this time frame is scummy as fuck.

Thats the one.

BUT AP IM TALKING ABOUT OVERALL ACTIVITY HERE AND IM TALKING ABOUT YOUR RESPONSE TIME (ACTIVITY) WITH YOU.

I DONT GIVE A FUCK. YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING AROUND THE TIME I THOUGHT VENMAR HAMMERED ME?

I was pissed off at myself (and life in general). I put an honest-to-God effort into this game but despite that my wheels were spinning. And around the time I blew off some coworker about WORK Venmar trollhammers me after calling me a moron.

I gave absolutely zero fucks.

I made

Yeah I hammered btw.

Lynch elyse tomorrow, thanks.

I absolve any responsibility from this impending loss.

and walked to my car and drove home pretty much immediately after.

I made the reads list from Stoneridgemall Rd while making a

GODDAMN left turn and stuck at a red light.

I made 1019 and 1022 FROM THE

FUCKING FREEWAY

DRIVING AT 75 +/- 5 MPH. I can give you my license plate and VIN if you would like to confirm those.

I made 1025 from the

TACO BELL DRIVE THRU

which is my fav RAGE food and the ones after that I dont even fucking remembr which clealy makes me MAFIA.

I ORDERED 2 BEEFY-5 LAYER BURRITOS AND A DOUBLE DECKER TACO.

[AngryPidgeon]

mollie listen.
This is what happened.
AP self-voted and brought himself to L-1.
I instantly unvoted, which brought him to L-2.
Then after much discussion and no votes, Venmar votes him and claims it was the hammer.
Do you really think AP didn't know it wasn't fake?

pedit: I cannot work with herds, you know me.

This post.

AP was at L - 1, therefore AP was fully aware of what he was doing at all times!

No, I am trying to stay afloat in my games with the very short time I have in between customers. I've said I'm crazy busy this week and restricted to phone access with scattered attention until I'm blue in the face.

Id like to point this scumposting again.

'If I lurk it s ok,but if ap BLINKS then hes DEFO MAFIA ALIGNED.'

These scum-aligned posts from Amrun are so obvious it HURTS. COG DIS DOES NOT GET MORE BLATANT THAN THIS.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also the self-vote didn't happen because he gave up. The self-vote happened because he wanted to "test" if Grimgroove would hammer him or not.


pedit: you cannot vote Amrun

I gave up after I thought I was hammered you raging trollbucket. Is the concept of events happening in a cause-effect sequence that difficult to grasp?


Related reading.

eta: having to hit the resubmit button TWICE fuck no are you trying to say I am ignoring you fuck no

YES, because Amrun is scum and has double standards for everyone that isn't her's POSTING FREQUENCY.

Read it with the mindset that AP is scum who knows this is a fake hammer and says "This is a reaction test, let's act like I'm town and just got hammered". Tell me if it makes sense.

ok, but Im town. And you are flatouit ignoring that possibility (well PA could have done it as scum; conclusion: scum) which would kind of make sense from Amrun and elyse, since as I saw one of them assert meaningfully "they thought I was scum before this derp derp derp" but from someone that thought I was town to not even CONSIDER that possibility?

Spoiler:

I'll try to summarize the whole situation again.

-AP is at L-2.
-Grim claims that he wants AP lynched, but doesn't vote him.
-AP self-votes, and dares Grim to hammer him (AP now at L-1)
-Wisdom instantly unvotes (AP back to L-2, AP is obviously aware of this since it happened instantly and AP posted after that a lot.)
-After lots of discussion, Venmar votes AP. Doesn't say that he hammers or anything.
-

This is important

: AP votes Venmar back when that happens, claiming that a Venmar lynch is what has to happen after all. What does that mean?

That AP knows he isn't hammered.

-Amrun goes "omg was that a hammer?" and Venmar takes the opportunity and states that it was a hammer.
-AP then acts like he doesn't know that it is a hammer, and after a long delay, he says "okay lynch Elyse tomorrow". Not the rage you'd expect after the supposed frustration he had shown in his most recent posts, nothing. Just a caution, simple request to lynch someone. And the same applies to the reads he gave when I asked him. And the same applies to the answer to Venmar's question about his alignment: Just "Town".

Read everything that happened again if you think my summary does not reflect the truth. AP obviously knew the hammer was fake. Obviously. As town, he'd have no reason to act like he doesn't know and do all this stuff. He'd go "No Venmar, you didn't hammer." or something. This is scum-AP knowing it's a reaction test and trying to act like a hammered townie.

Yes repeat the same case REPACKAGED. Something something something, AP must be held 100% accountable for knowing the VC at all times. Its like you are going out of your way to find ways to justify your absurd pet theory with hopes of getting a

Best Mafia Catcher

award for finding sneaky old scum AP. Hint: You wont.

[AngryPidgeon]

Yeah AP is still scum. Wisdom summed it up pretty well. Also, AP has only been mislynched twice so I would expect more rage.

His reaction was NOT ragey, as I'd expect of town -- it was cautious. Now I'm unsure what to think.

Let me paint a fucking picture for you.

I roll into the office at 9. I feel really bad about lurking my ass off in this game so I start making posts. People are mislynching me and nothing actually gets me more involved in a game than people trying to ML me. (But AP this is AtE! Yes, and screw you too.) so I start posting back. Suddenly its lunch time and I havent done any actual work. Im feeling moderately shitty because my sleeping schedule is shit and I just can't bering myself to work when I know the idiots in my game will eventually realize Im obviously playing to a town wincon if I do the one thing that actually makes my town play good and just post my stream of thoughts and rage. Finally its 5:15 or some shit. And I actually havent done jackshit for work because Ive been playing this game all day. I'm fucjking exhausted from sitting at my cube which is too hot and not having any sleep and generally angry at myself for not getting any work done and to top it all off Venmar (I was wrong about this but whatever) blatantly insults me personally so I raged at him, saw Amrun as k if it was the hammer but didnt care enough to do something other than tell Venny to piss off. When he confirmed it, I said "fucking dumbass" outloud and looked around to see if the guy that sits behind me heard it (he had headphones on). So no, I did not give enough fucks to verify whether or not I was hammered. I was telling myself that I was overbooked on games anyways and was kinda happy it was all over.

But this game is a fucking Zombie and apparently its not going away. But neither am I, BITCHES. THIS IS A NIGHTLESS SO YOU ALL GET TO ENJOY ME.

Why would ap, so full of rage just a moment before, lose it all upon thinking he has been mislynched? It doesn't make sense.

His reaction was NOT ragey, as I'd expect of town -- it was cautious. Now I'm unsure what to think.

Let me paint a fucking picture for you.

I roll into the office at 9. I feel really bad about lurking my ass off in this game so I start making posts. People are mislynching me and nothing actually gets me more involved in a game than people trying to ML me. (But AP this is AtE! Yes, and screw you too.) so I start posting back. Suddenly its lunch time and I havent done any actual work. Im feeling moderately shitty because my sleeping schedule is shit and I just can't bering myself to work when I know the idiots in my game will eventually realize Im obviously playing to a town wincon if I do the one thing that actually makes my town play good and just post my stream of thoughts and rage. Finally its 5:15 or some shit. And I actually havent done jackshit for work because Ive been playing this game all day. I'm fucjking exhausted from sitting at my cube which is too hot and not having any sleep and generally angry at myself for not getting any work done and to top it all off Venmar (I was wrong about this but whatever) blatantly insults me personally so I raged at him, saw Amrun as k if it was the hammer but didnt care enough to do something other than tell Venny to piss off. When he confirmed it, I said "fucking dumbass" outloud and looked around to see if the guy that sits behind me heard it (he had headphones on). So no, I did not give enough fucks to verify whether or not I was hammered. I was telling myself that I was overbooked on games anyways and was kinda happy it was all over.

But this game is a fucking Zombie and apparently its not going away. But neither am I, BITCHES. THIS IS A NIGHTLESS SO YOU ALL GET TO ENJOY ME.

[AngryPidgeon]

Nope.

But I think the random switch onto me at the end is a WIFOM attempt. He never posted a solid case but since he's still alive I guess we'll let him.

^ This is 100% scum, no doubts.

"AP must have had a case on me to have suspected me, too bad we'll never get to see it"

.."Oh I guess we can see AP's CASE on me after all, cool"

1

a. I need to suspect you before I have a case, not the other way around. Also you are premptively suggesting that I need to have a formal case 100% ready right when I return or else Im defo-scum. That is an excuse to continue to scumread me when I dont and that is definitely not town thinking.
2. I already addressed parts of your posting that I found scummy (but lets pretend that never happened)
3. "you GUESS you'll let me"?? Your words say that you are interested in hearing what I have to say but your tone suggests otherwise. Your tone also suggests that you have decided to scumread me regardless of anything I may have to say about this whole escapade. Also see exhibit A.
^ Ugh I wanted to make an austin powers reference but youtube is tanking the tigers atm.

[AngryPidgeon]

I didn't find his changing emotional state consistent with the events at hand or what I would expect of this particular player as town. Context always matters.

Im totally SHOCKED that you didn't bother asking about the context behind my posting timing then because that surely is relevant to FIGURING OUT MY ALIGNMENT.

I think the Venmar vote after Venmar voted is very telling. Why would AP place a vote on someone if he thought he was hammered? And why wouldn't he vote me, since I'm apparently in my own scum tier.

Oh look the exact same accusation. I'd quote my anecdote again but I think you can find it yourself.

Read and see what AP's reaction was.

I knew that Loran was voting me already, idiot.

I didnt ask Venmar if he was voting me or say "lol ur voting me" cause I knew he was voting you. What the actual fuck.

At least this accusation is more inventive than "WELL I DUNNO, I DONT TRUST THIS AP GUY"

Thank you majiffy. Please be town, because if the only person defending me is scum Imma cry manly tears.

And this is the other one, if anyone cares. In both of them, AP spent his dying moments trying to actively advise the town on who they should go after next. Nothing like a simple "please lynch Elyse, thanks".

Ok, this accusation I can also just refer you to my historical anecdote. And I will.

Also I DARE you to read my play in that game (Switchboard) in the days before I got lynched and tell me Im playing ANY different than this game. Its literally the exact same posting. If you are going to quote meta of me being hilariously town and raging at everyone and getting pissy then don't nitpick away the meaty parts of it to say I did one highly specific thing once and therefore would do it again a year later in a different game, holy butt.

And IIRC I was at a homosexual pride event in SJ at the time of getting lynched in Sboard and was looking for a distration from my 'date' that I was ther ewith as a courtesy so I was phoneposting like FUCK because I didnt wantto deal with him.

SO THERE IS ALL YALLS CONTEXtT

IF ANYONE STILL SCUMREADS ME, THE ONLY POSSIBLE MOTIVE FOR THAT IS TO BE INTENTIONALLY APPEARING 'TOO ANTITOWN TO BE MAFIA'.

Index

¹

What happened to AP today at work, an informative anecdote, by AP:

Spoiler:

His reaction was NOT ragey, as I'd expect of town -- it was cautious. Now I'm unsure what to think.

Let me paint a fucking picture for you.

I roll into the office at 9. I feel really bad about lurking my ass off in this game so I start making posts. People are mislynching me and nothing actually gets me more involved in a game than people trying to ML me. (But AP this is AtE! Yes, and screw you too.) so I start posting back. Suddenly its lunch time and I havent done any actual work. Im feeling moderately shitty because my sleeping schedule is shit and I just can't bering myself to work when I know the idiots in my game will eventually realize Im obviously playing to a town wincon if I do the one thing that actually makes my town play good and just post my stream of thoughts and rage. Finally its 5:15 or some shit. And I actually havent done jackshit for work because Ive been playing this game all day. I'm fucjking exhausted from sitting at my cube which is too hot and not having any sleep and generally angry at myself for not getting any work done and to top it all off Venmar (I was wrong about this but whatever) blatantly insults me personally so I raged at him, saw Amrun as k if it was the hammer but didnt care enough to do something other than tell Venny to piss off. When he confirmed it, I said "fucking dumbass" outloud and looked around to see if the guy that sits behind me heard it (he had headphones on). So no, I did not give enough fucks to verify whether or not I was hammered. I was telling myself that I was overbooked on games anyways and was kinda happy it was all over.

But this game is a fucking Zombie and apparently its not going away. But neither am I, BITCHES. THIS IS A NIGHTLESS SO YOU ALL GET TO ENJOY ME.

Trying to paint my infrequent phone posting as scummy when it's public knowledge I'm not around for this time frame is scummy as fuck.

Thats the one.

BUT AP IM TALKING ABOUT OVERALL ACTIVITY HERE AND IM TALKING ABOUT YOUR RESPONSE TIME (ACTIVITY) WITH YOU.

I DONT GIVE A FUCK. YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING AROUND THE TIME I THOUGHT VENMAR HAMMERED ME?

I was pissed off at myself (and life in general). I put an honest-to-God effort into this game but despite that my wheels were spinning. And around the time I blew off some coworker about WORK Venmar trollhammers me after calling me a moron.

I gave absolutely zero fucks.

I made

Yeah I hammered btw.

Lynch elyse tomorrow, thanks.

I absolve any responsibility from this impending loss.

and walked to my car and drove home pretty much immediately after.

I made the reads list from Stoneridgemall Rd while making a

GODDAMN left turn and stuck at a red light.

I made 1019 and 1022 FROM THE

FUCKING FREEWAY

DRIVING AT 75 +/- 5 MPH. I can give you my license plate and VIN if you would like to confirm those.

I made 1025 from the

TACO BELL DRIVE THRU

which is my fav RAGE food and the ones after that I dont even fucking remembr which clealy makes me MAFIA.

I ORDERED 2 BEEFY-5 LAYER BURRITOS AND A DOUBLE DECKER TACO.

[AngryPidgeon]

Instead, he takes Venmar's declaration for granted, he doesn't check, and he switches from posting about how we should lynch Venmar today, to posting about how we should lynch Elyse tomorrow.

I MADE POSTS 1003 and 1004. I THEN TOOK THE TIME TO READ VENNY'S CONFIRMATION OF HAMMER.

I ACCIDENTALLY SAID "FING DUMBASS" OUT LOUD AND THEN MADE post 1005.

AFTER A COUPLE SECONDS OF AWKWARD LOOKING AROUND TO SEE IF ANYONE NOTICED, DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO GO HOME INSTEAD OF SPINNING MY WHEELS MORE.

I WALKED DOEN THE HALL TO THE MENsBATHROOM FEELING TIRED AND HOT AND ANGRY AT MYSELF.
I TOOK A PISS.

I WENT BACK TO MY DESK AND PACKED UP MY LAPTOP.

I WALKED TO MY CAR. I MADE POST 1015 AT THE SECOND RED LIGHT I NEEDED TO MAKE A LEFT AT OUT OF THE PARKING LOT.

I got home, checked [stuff] and went to the gym where I did my legs workout.

And imagine my surprise to see the game title unchanged when I get back. (J/K of course, since I clearly knew I was hammered)
---

Anyone still scumreading me needs to come up with legitimate explanations or face my wrath.

And Amrun needs to apologize or self-vote for calling me scummy for something outside my control depending on her alignment.

[AngryPidgeon]

Wow my internet just weny down. Im going to sleep.

Wisdom: when was the only other time ive self voted? Im sure you wetent too bust nitpicking bullshit to notice.

But ap, you could still do it as scum and town!

[AngryPidgeon]

Ive self votred once EVER (including troll rvsin I think).

Oh and what did the looming ML motivate me to do in both those games? AtE, rage and spampost. But dont acknowledge that, you wrong get that best mafia catcher if you listen to SCUM

[AngryPidgeon]

Wont*

And whoever was speculating on exactly how id react as town to precisely my 3rd ml is scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm at work posting from my phone but I'm fucking pissed off at AP.

The fact you had to bring your real life into this is fucking messed up. I found out my grandmother died last night. Did I mention that? No. Why? Because I'm not a whiny baby and I can play this game by setting aside my personal life.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Nobody Special

enomis and Safety are basically conf scum to me. NS/Grim doesn't make sense together but Im pretty sure one is scum.

lol no.
This aint gonna fly.

At least 1.other psrson was CALLING ME SCUMMY FOR MY ACTIVITY LEVEL SO I EXPLAINED WHY IT WAS WHAT IT WAS.

[AngryPidgeon]

I wouldn't have brought it up if someone wasnt making a case on me based on THE TIMING OF MY POSTS. AND FREQUENCY OF MY POSTS.

And where was your rage when Amrun told us about her job/personsl life to justify infrequent posting?

[AngryPidgeon]

That said, Im sorry.

But I had every right to post relrvant defense to a case that was centered around my ACTIVITY which amrun flatout admitted.

[AngryPidgeon]

He took too long to address it. That's not natural.

Zero percent of my reasons for you have had anything to do with the frequency and timing of your posts. ZERO PERCENT.

YOUR LYING SCUMBUTT IS NEXT, AMRUN.

NEXT.

[AngryPidgeon]

Actually lets quote the whole thing!

I just read it again. He took too long to address it. That's not natural.

VOTE: angryPidgeon

OH and then you VOTED me right after calling the timing of my posts UNNATURALLY SCUMMY.

And combined with the constant reminders from you that activity is not a tell, this is GOLDEN.

[AngryPidgeon]

I dont care I was still in a situation that made my activity spotty and got called scummy for it by no less than 3 people. So I have absolutely zero shame in defending myself from it by explaining MY ACTIVITY.

Im pissed that Elyse even remotely thinks I did something wrong.

[AngryPidgeon]

^
I know you said you didn't want me at L - 1, thats why I did it. Some people see L - 1 votes as seriously as hammers, etc etc.

I was basically half fishing to see what you would say in response to me doing it and half kinda trolling because I was just in the mood for trolling.

I would expect town you to have a more immediate emotional reaction. If you were just pretending to care about L - 1 votes as scum, I'd expect a more calculated response.

You weren't really around after I did, so *shrug* but you seem genuinely unsure of what I was doing and curious for an answer so I guess your reaction is probstown. But Im a little afraid to put stock in it.

--

@Elyse: Sorry, I was just thinking how we should be playing this game to have fun and this game is just bringing out the worst in me and contributing to my stress ATM.

I think I need to take a couple days break from MS for my sanity's sake.

@Amrun: Still you are commenting on my activity if you are saying it took me too long to register a single post. I explained that it was because I was upset at Venmar for trollhammering me after I poured blood sweat and tears into defending myself all day whilst calling me an idiot (and ya I know that was to wisdom, but it felt real at the time). So if you were talking about my reaction to VENMAR saying that the hammer was true then my point still stands. You are judging my posts to be scummy because of the timing of them relative to each other and venmars.

[AngryPidgeon]

And by trollhammering I meant trollvoting ><

[AngryPidgeon]

V/LA

Until Friday. I'll check in occasionally to vote and whatever, but I need a small break.

[AngryPidgeon]

@1200: Im ok with lynching NS I guess. I don't think hes scum, but I dont really think anyone in this pool is scum.

Amrun/Enomis/Elyse/SD means Enomis will prolly get lynched which isn't a bad lynch really.

[AngryPidgeon]

UNVOTE:

[AngryPidgeon]

Urge to trollhammer NS rising.

[AngryPidgeon]

VOTE: nobody speshul

Iiiii feel so alive.
For the very first tiiime.

im get great pleasure from this hammer. Even tho hes town aligned.

[AngryPidgeon]

Twilight is less epic when theres no night.

[AngryPidgeon]

I like that song, ap!! Lets do karaoke of it one day.

Me too! And I would do karaoke with you any time ^^

[AngryPidgeon]

If I called ns scum when I hammered he would have flipped town >.>

Im wondering if it really is just lurkscumteam this game. Sometimes it really is that simple.

^ Goodposting. Leaning emomis but I wanna do this right today.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh elyse is in this pool, :/

Who else thinks shes scum?

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya elyse is scum.

All that quote proves is that sd never read the rules.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, why could town SD not think that?i dont see compelling "scum motive" for him to say it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also Id be more inclined to believe wisdoms take on that. At least that shows scum motive as opposed to "SD is scum slipping about a game state we cant confirm"

[AngryPidgeon]

So you show up with a bigass wall post after Wisdom calls you out and you manage to fencesit on all 3 other people in the lynch pool.

And you forgot to mention me over someone like SAFETYDANCE.

I reallllly am not seeing it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh my god this game is becoming POSH MAFIA except I give less shits than I did in Posh Mafia.

1. Please do not hammer anyone before I can read up this weekend.
2. Majiffy go text/call/carrier-pidgeon/yell-at/prod-in-your-QT/ Mollie for us. Thx.

[AngryPidgeon]

Woah, that was UNCANNY

[AngryPidgeon]

I realize its a bit late, but what did you think NS was going to flip, Mollie?
Who are your top 2 townreads?

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh Mollie posted earlier today anyhow, Im dumb.

[AngryPidgeon]

Safety:Null

Did i miss anyone?

Oh ya AP:

How is this not INCREDIBLY SUSPICIOUS to anyone else?

Remembers SD is in the game and chooses not to comment on him because he (apparently) has not found any SD content interesting.

FORGETS IM IN THE GAME and "lol fake edit - AP could be town or scum IDK "

Its like a perfect parallel of scum-Tierce play. Lurk, post walls when called out, and be absolutely god-awful at looking town.

[AngryPidgeon]

I am right here you dummy. is there something you want to ask me/respond too?

I think you are town, Im interested in comparing town reads.

But I have to go to lunch.

[AngryPidgeon]

Do you know what scum who realized they forgot AP in their reads would do?
They would go up in the list and add AP somewhere inbetween.
They would never go "oh I forgot AP, let's add the read now".

See realizing that fake edits in the middle of a post that serve no purpose are likely from scum is what caught me Tierce in P^4 mafia.

There is no way Im ever going to be caught up in this game is there >.>

[AngryPidgeon]

Basically I have a light to moderate scumread on everyone in this lynch pool which is obviously bullshit so I'm gonna try this a better way and PoE out town starting with Majiffy, Mollie and Venmar.

I keep waffling internally on whether Amrun issued the challenge as scum for towncred since the previous 2 people that did are getting townread hard or if she really thinks SD is a terrorist. I don't see how anyone can be gung-ho about lynching SD unless they really are delusional about lurkers being more likely scum than not. Because really.

Amrun, is there anyone else you considered voting when you made the challenge? I see you didn't vote SD when you made the challenge.

[AngryPidgeon]

FWIW I doubt Elyse and SD are on a scumteam, mainly because of the QT quoting that happened.

[AngryPidgeon]

Wisdom you weren't trying to save NS yesterday blatantly with that push on me, were you ><

[AngryPidgeon]

Yeah, yeah, prod received. I was struggling to read any game I was in over the the weekend.

I've been trying to catch up. I'm on page 38 which was like, only 6 hours ago and there's another 7 pages to go? All I see is like 40+ pages of egos floating around trying to bash the others into submission. Do you know how hard that is to sift through and analyse? >.<

Like fuuu.

Lmao @ Magiffy. You always read me as scum. In every single game. Love your epic skillz <3

Way I see it now I can see the scum team being Magiffy + NS + Venmar/Wisdom/AP + Enomis/Amrun/Elyse. Which probably isn't a good thing that I can't fit PM in there but she's a town read who could be coasting I suppose.

So from that vote pool, I can always get behind an NS lynch.

Vote: NS

Serious question to those voting SD - Do you think its likely he showed up and mindlessly started bussing NS as scum without reading anything?

[AngryPidgeon]

I dont intend to vote anyone until SD either shows up and makes posts or he gets replaced and that person shows up and makes posts.

Pedit: this is why I really need to catchup. But ffs Im used to being the most frequent poster in the thread.

[AngryPidgeon]

Wisdom you weren't trying to save NS yesterday blatantly with that push on me, were you ><

Did the push seem fake to you?

On me? I was way too focused on defending myself to think about it when I was reading it.

I was just letting my thoughts stew a little and it seemed weird to me that you are voting NS/Venmar all day and suddenly it looks like NS is a probable lynch and you are suddenly on me.

[AngryPidgeon]

And IIRC I mentioned this before but -

I can understand Elyse/Amrun continuing to push me there more than I can someonewho previously thought Im town (correctly) ignoring any possibility of me being town in that situation.

[AngryPidgeon]

Mollie, you think Venmar and Majiffy are likely town?

Thoughts on Wisdom?

[AngryPidgeon]

The NS lynch wasn't that probable yet; you were still the main wagon.

I guess I need to read the timeframe more but you just completely lost interest in NS.

Although Im now remembering that you said you didn't particularly want to lynch anyone in the pool in the first place which makes sense for you-town.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya, I remember that now.

It also crossed my mind that you could be trying to read me as scum suddenly because no one would expect scum to do that in response to something so freaking town.

But I should probably just accept that us seeing eye-to-eye on 95% of yesterday is a good reason to continue townreading you.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, I think its been said, but who knew the hammer was fake when it happened? Amrun says she didn't know. Wisdom/Elyse knew? No one else was really around.

[AngryPidgeon]

leaning town cos his thoughts matched my own.

Yesss, Mollie keep being my muse. I'm slowly realizing that Im all but confirmed town in a mountainous setup and we can just townblock this to victory.

I need you to not waver on that Majiffy townread for me cause Im a bit paranoid about Majiffy issuing the first challenge and then voteparking SC after the initial GG vote. : P
And he was literally the only person defending me post-apocalypse yesterday and that gives me mixed emotions about him.

Wisdom actually is probably my strongest townread. For gut and really his stream of thoughts style of posting has read incredibly genuine all game. Im gonna sit on that one and let it simmer.

I agree that Venmar fake hammering is proactive in a town way.

--

Im just gonna take this in steps and work my way down the player list starting with majiffy I think.

[AngryPidgeon]

UGH AMRUN ARE YOU ACTUALLY TOWN THIS GAME.

[AngryPidgeon]

Nobody Special (6) - Majiffy, SafetyDance, Wisdom,

Elyse, Grimgroove

, AngryPidgeon

Ok one of those bolded people is a scumbutt, but maybe not both. Majiffy can have some town pants for being on the first spot.

[AngryPidgeon]

^ I agree, but I see it more likely from town anyways since fake-hammering someone for reactions for towncred is a pretty obscure play for scum. Not IMPOSSIBLE but I think its fairly unlikely for scum to consider that play.

[AngryPidgeon]

ftr you are not confirmed town. no one is in a nightless set up cos there no specials to confirm anyone

Ssshhhh, you are killing the moment.

Im not asking you to do anything : ?

Im glad you think hes town. His posts read genuine this game but that good feeling they give me has kinda dwindled over time and I have a creeping suspicion that he may be coasting.

BUT

Hes way more likely town than not, I just want to be happy with that read. I told you - Im going to try and PoE this out.

[AngryPidgeon]

What made you think anything else??

[AngryPidgeon]

if you are asking me not to get shaky on my read on him I can't promise that

Posted in the same post where you talk about how Majiffy is making you lightly nervous. >.>

And I trust your ability to read him more than mine seeing as how I was horribly wrong all game in Posh Mafia about him being scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

Seeing as how no one yet has gotten towncred for challenging, AND how the challenge pool was agreed upon yesterday, why would challenging give me towncred, exactly?

It worked just fine for Majiffy.

^. I think I cited him doing it as likely town. Also Venmar came out of yesterday looking more town than not.

But if what Wisdom said is true then my point was not only dumb but irrelevant.

[AngryPidgeon]

I might be down to just save Haschel the SD replacement.

[AngryPidgeon]

Not Voting (4) - , enomis

I'd like to see this change.

Elyse, if you had to choose between Enomis and Amrun, which would you choose? Hypothetical question and all.

[AngryPidgeon]

Hi qwints ^^

Also holy wall posts.

[AngryPidgeon]

Despite the fact that when NS was in the pool, Majiffy went for AP over NS without really mentioning NS, overall interactions indicate Majiffy town pretty well. I already had a townread on him, after some point yesterday, but I was still a little unsure. But now I feel pretty good putting Majiffy in the town pool.

Wait this doesn't make sense to me.

Why is MAjiffy more town for listing NS as scummy but shoving my wagon whilst ignoring NS?

[AngryPidgeon]

Notable because contains NS (purples).

Not really? He listed 3/5 teams (excluding his own obviously). I really dont see anything significant about this.

b) Despite the fact that Venmar, Wisdom, and AP were all up for lynch, he plopped a lazy vote on NS (when there wasn't a real NS wagon). He doesn't try to determine their alignments at all; he isn't interested. So this looks like a bus vote to me.

Why is Majiffy's vote different in your mind?

But these, here, are the kicker. I don't see a scumbuddy of NS saying this, knowing he would flip scum. Elyse is town.

Because scum never fake predict things to look less informed and have an excuse to not follow up on it down the road?

Come on Amrun, I know you aren't this naive.

I'll say I really agree with your Grim analysis wrt NS though. Considering NS was a chronic lurking herpaderp, GG had an unnatural obsession with him. He kept leaving open the suspicion on me but posturing on NS the whole time it looked like I was going down.

[AngryPidgeon]

enomis didn't interact with the wagon at all, but he's probably town.

I'd really like to talk about enomis. Because I really really really see Enomis scum right now.

But ya when you can, bullet points or quotes that make you think Enomis is town would be appreciated.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also, he suspected NS since very early on and called NS straight scum, whereas SD didn't really do that.

I need to look for that then. I'm still baffled that anyone could have a superhard scumread on NS given that he has meta of being a lurksack independent of alignment.

SD was barely posting for whatever that means. Im excited to hear qwints cough up some town/scum lists though.

[AngryPidgeon]

VOTE: enomis
^ This should happen. Then GG.

[AngryPidgeon]

enomis is town

This is a bold faced lie. (Also why are you not voting qwints then?)

[AngryPidgeon]

re: safety dance. I think he is lynchbait material but he has done fuckall this entire game. having said that I think amrun needs to go first. hwen she was laying into me the other night it felt scummy.

yes

I could actually see mollie-scum

You think shes WKing him or what?

[AngryPidgeon]

Either that or he's her buddy and she wanted to make us lynch Amrun instead.

thor665.jpeg

"She could be blatantly getting us to ML Amrun...or She could be blatantly going for towncred on the SD flip"

[AngryPidgeon]

EBWODP: Ok. She told me she wasn't going to waver on it. In fact she lightly poked at me because she thought I was trying to get her to waver on that read for some reason. I wouldn't say she is doing that at all, the opposite really.

I wasnt aware anyone really suspected mollie until just now.

[AngryPidgeon]

I don't think scum-mollie goes out of her way to inform me that Im not actually confirmed town as scum. I think scum are more likely to just sheep the general sentiment that Im obvious town and not try and buttheads with me over something so dumb.

[AngryPidgeon]

Come on, now, that has OBVIOUS scum motivation!

To cast suspicion on me? I guess I could see it, but it is kinda a sunk ship at that point especially since she hasnt been pushing me anyways.

[AngryPidgeon]

as well as why she's starting to "freak out" about Majiffy.

She explicitly told me to buzz off when she thought I was casting suspicion on him :/

[AngryPidgeon]

Yeah, but that's why it's weird. Like, if she read you as town, what's the town motive to even do that?

p-edit: this post to AP

Im not actually sure what she reads me as tbh lol. But I'll give you that.

P-edit: sounds like Mollie from PoshMafia although she was more active there.

[AngryPidgeon]

Was she scum or town there?

Town - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=25367

[AngryPidgeon]

QWINTS YOU ARENY JUST VOTING THE AMRUN WAGON TO SURVIVE ARE YOU?

[AngryPidgeon]

Elyse was an early townread (given hindsight) due to the jokey "obv-town" comment on NS. There was no reason for her to draw attention like she did if she were scum.

This is actually a pretty legitimate point.

And ya Amrun did retroactively try to grab some credit for the NS wagon there.

[AngryPidgeon]

@AP, NOT JUST TO SURVIVE. HAPPY?

It was kind of a joke since you only have 3 places to vote anyways and you think Elyse is town.

[AngryPidgeon]

What obvtown comment? I told mollie I was confirmed town and she told me that I couldn't be confirmed because there are no PRs. Which is obvious and dumb and exactly what I'd expect from her as town really.

@Qwints: Have you played with Majiffy-scum before?

[AngryPidgeon]

How is Grimgroove not lynched yet lol. In fact FoS anyone responsible for NOT challenging him today >.>

P-edit: I really need to start taking notes on games. But FIRST I need to stop being in so many games.

Also I tend to take notes more as scum..

Oh I thought the Elyse comment was about NS being obvtown. I dunno how that makes me feel realizing that was actually about SD.

[AngryPidgeon]

Im pretty sure directly quoting your notepad is against the rules

Wisdom, are you claiming to know that the hammer was fake when Venmar voted me btw?

[AngryPidgeon]

^ I find it more unlikely that Qwints decides to grab for towncred by quoting his hypothetical notes and then only making up 1 point for each person.

Unless hes scum and actually only wrote a couple notes on everyone which is possible I guess? Still not sure why he'd bother outing that as scum though.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ugh this appeal to emotion or whatever from Qwints kinda makes me want to townread him.

P-edit: Ns was your buddy, right what the actual fuck

Is it more likely that he thought it was worth outing minimalistic notes for 'towncred' when really its gonna look sketch?

Also theres no fucking way qwints has read everything.

Have you?

p-p-edit: ok apparently not

pppedit: He DID challenge a group with a scum in it though, so whats wrong with Qwints pointing that out?