Micro 199 Nonsensical Narnia Day 4

[Kdub]

/confirm

[Kdub]

VOTE: goodmorning

Gut feeling.

[Kdub]

VOTE: Amethyst Snowflake for picking the most obvious, easy target for bandwagoning

Missed this the first time around. I am not familiar with the players in question, so what makes this an obvious easy bandwagon target?

[Kdub]

AA9... let's just say that she's one hell of a reflexive player.

This is putting it lightly.

Interesting.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MC RIDE

[Kdub]

More gut?

Nope, posts 24 and 49 ring hollow and weak in light of what multiple people have said about ArcAngel's meta.

[Kdub]

I remember a time where I was almost lynched for making a case on her, so that's one thing. (I was mafia but whatever)

My gut says Snowflake is honest about her(their? I can't into pronouns) claim so UNVOTE:

At what point did you get this feeling about Snowflake? Because the claim came before you voted him...

[Kdub]

I remember a time where I was almost lynched for making a case on her, so that's one thing. (I was mafia but whatever)

My gut says Snowflake is honest about her(their? I can't into pronouns) claim so UNVOTE:

At what point did you get this feeling about Snowflake? Because the claim came before you voted him...

Between my vote and unvote ofc. The first reaction I had when I read the claim was "To hell with it, this is still a good vote." but she started looking townier hence the unvote

That has nothing to do with the claim though. If Snowflake started looking more town because of general play, it seems odd that you would unvote with the justification you gave rather than just saying that they were looking more town.

[Kdub]

Also, for the record I'm at L-1 now as I'm a Hated Townie.

...
MC claiming this after the "L-1" vote does give me a town vibe, as scum would have to know that a hated townie has to be lynched at some point. But, if the claim is true, MC has to die at some point before lylo. Two negative utility roles in a game this size is plausible, but hated townie is a VERY negative utility role. This basically means that if it's true, then lylo could be D2 (if we mislynch today).

We either lynch MC today or tomorrow, or we hope a vig kills him tonight. I'm going to unvote to avoid any "accidents", but everyone needs to weigh in on MC's claim.

UNVOTE:

[Kdub]

Hated townie claim aside, post 120 does not give me a pro-town feeling at all. MC is not today's lynch, but I might have some questions for him tomorrow depending on how this all plays out.

Town miller+hated townie+ascetic is still plausible in a role-madness type game, especially if those players could have other aspects to their role. I'm not going to say that one of them

must

be scum just because of that. I find the manner of TMT's claim to be a town-tell because I don't see why scum would volunteer that information when he did.

VOTE: goodmorning

Going back with my original feeling, and I don't particularly like 116.

[Kdub]

AA9 still needs to catch up, which I think is null. GM and kdub have both been pinging a little bit off, and kdub is third on GM's wagon, so...

I don't understand what you're getting at here. Are you voting me because you think it's scummy that I am third on GM's wagon (nevermind that I was on him before I switched to MC, then switched back after the claim), or are you voting me because you don't want to be 4th on GM's wagon?

[Kdub]

I don't see what is scummy about being third on a wagon, especially on a wagon of someone else who you are suspicious of.

[Kdub]

gm answered it for me. It's a common spot for scum to jump on the wagon, and it's early. Everyone needs to eat some pressure right now.

Except the person I am voting for is also someone you identified as a scum read. It makes no sense to think a certain position on a wagon is scummy unless it is known to be a mislynch.

[Kdub]

BRO's explanation seems like a bit of a retcon. Protip: Announcing that your vote is a pressure vote defeats the entire purpose of a pressure vote.

fferylit makes a good point in 177 and 179 regarding goodmorning.

goodmorning: What is your read on BRO? Who are your suspects at the moment?

I really like this post. It's a little unsettling having you in my town pile at all, much less on page 4.

It's been a while since I played with solo fery but I can't remember if she was usually generous or salty at giving out townread early.

Um this was supposed to be a PM to my other head >.>

This was an interesting post that I had glossed over before. Looks like a town tell if genuine. Who are the two heads of the AS hydra again and which head made this post? I'd be interested to see if meta confirms the sentiment in this post.

[Kdub]

Suspects currently: one of the neg. utility claims, still haven't figured out which yet but leaning towards TMTOL, and you.

Interesting. In 92, you were already suspicious of either AS or MC for the negative utility claims. Do you think TMT's claim makes them more likely to be telling the truth? Can you explain your read on me?

And yes I'm aware that announcing a vote as a pressure vote defeats the purpose. However, I don't believe that any vote made within the first few pages can be anything other than a pressure vote. What're you going to do, lynch someone on page 3?

I think we're beyond "the first few pages". And pressure vote doesn't imply that there is or isn't solid reasoning behind the vote. That's why your explanation of "pressure vote" seems like a bit of a cop-out. It's not really a reason if you think all votes are pressure votes.

I'm in limbo. Limbo sucks.

I hope I'll see something clear from this ff vs gm

In light of TMT's claim, what is your opinion on AS/TMT?

[Kdub]

My read on you? Mainly it consists of the fact that you seem to fly under the radar in spectacular fashion without saying all that much of use.

Under the radar to you, or in general?

I also have nothing to say on AS's vote since I have no idea what the reasoning behind it is. There appears to be a bit of hydra dissonance going on.

Because I should never question my early reads ever. Remember that newbie game you replaced into where my early reads were horrible and the scum ended up being in slots I read as town early? Because I sure do.

I'll say it again: we are no longer in the "early" part of the day. Your backpedaling on your reasoning for your vote is quickly becoming secondary to the fact that you aren't forming any stronger reads.

[Kdub]

In general. Why?

Because I would disagree with you, especially relative to a few others players in the game.

Similar to kdub, PoE and gut. I'm starting to think that there is scum in one of GM/ffery/kdub because of the interactions after my kdub vote, with GM+either of them not being the case, although ffery/kdub would still be a possibility.

This is has become stronger.

Which part? Can you explain the specific interactions that make you think this?

In a vacuum, ascetic is much more useful for scum than town. The timing and manner of TMT's claim is what makes me think he is town.

[Kdub]

kdub which players do you think are flying spectacularly under the radar compared to you (besides AA9, that's a given atm).

I would say AA, MC, and TMT. I will also point out that I think MC and TMT are probably town from their claims, but that is independent of my opinion of their play so far.

The way GM got in ffery's way makes it look like they aren't scum together. GM was disrupting ffery's questioning of me, which would make it potentially harder for her to discern my alignment, and might throw me off and misread her. At the same time, ffery has been pretty intent on pushing me, but hasn't actually put a vote down on me. Scum pushing for a mislynch while not actually being on the lynch is fairly standard. GM being disruptive would just be disruptive town play, in that case (which happens, and threw me off my first game).

The reason why I think kdub might be scum is because of how aggressively so people turned against me after the vote. kdub has been coasting a bit without any real pressure, and when I try to apply pressure I immediately get attacked. There has to be town in there, given that ffery/AS/bork/GM all responded negatively to my attack in one way or another, but the push feels too opportunistic.

Fair enough on GM/ffery. I don't see your problem with the reaction to your vote on me though. Do you see that people attacked you not simply because you voted for me, but because your stated reasoning for that vote was extremely tenuous?

[Kdub]

AA, didn't you say you were going to make a catchup post? What are your reads on others besides bork?

Since the deadline is less than 3 days away, we should be coming to a consensus soon. I would prefer a goodmorning or BRO lynch.

[Kdub]

as for Kdub, I think he's scum. He hasn't done anything that was his own. I feel like he is carefully trying to blend in, not draw to much attention to himself. I don't like the fact that he doesn't want to commit a opinion on us, and why he isn't trying to figure out our motivation behind our claim when he says he doesn't understand it. He's being really back-seatish with his scum-hunting.

Where did I say I didn't understand your claim? For the record, I got a bit of a town feel after thinking about 150, but I concede that I'm mostly neutral on you at the moment, in part due to apparent disagreement between your two heads.

when people say "well, TMTOL could be a scum ascetic instead of a town one." GET OUTSIDE THE BOX, GUYS, IT'S CALLED FAKECLAIMS AND THEY ARE NOT THAT UNCOMMON

Given the speed with which he claimed, I have a hard time seeing scum-TMT making the decision to fakeclaim that on the spot. What reason would scum have to do that? He didn't instantly try to paint AS or MC as a liar and push for their lynch, and he basically locked himself into a claim that can be disproven. TMT is likely town, but IF he is scum, he's probably ascetic.

[Kdub]

If you think he claimed "speedily" then there is probably nothing I can say on that point. The game started on a Tuesday. He claimed on a Saturday, after two earlier posts from Thursday.

He claimed speedily relative to MC's claim (which revealed the second negative-utility role), which is the key point.

I would support a BRO lynch today as well. Is he still V/LA?

[Kdub]

Your push on me is lazy, letting ffery and to a lesser extend bork do all the work.

If it's "lazy" to expose your reasoning on me as inconsistent and backtrack-ish, then I'm guilty as charged. If you're referring to something else, then you're going to need to provide examples, otherwise you are just asserting something that isn't true.

And given the imminent deadline, I'm just going to head this off at the pass right now so we don't get caught in a spot where we have to scramble for a lynch. I have a confirmable ability. It won't absolutely prove that I am town, but it will prove my action and target, and I can demonstrate it tonight, barring any shenanigans. That's all I'm going to say on that until tomorrow.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BRO

[Kdub]

Fuck it I'll claim now.

I'm vengeful townie. If I get lynched I'm shooting kdub or maybe ffery.

Interesting, but doesn't change my opinion of you.

[Kdub]

To claim an unspecified role at this point in the game makes my nebulous suspicion of Kdub rather greater.

I don't think it's to the town's advantage for me to reveal more at the moment, because I would rather keep the scum in the dark as much as possible. The important thing is that my ability is provable, which is all that should be needed for you to make a decision on me today.

Subtle rolefish attempt is noted however.

[Kdub]

That you claim it is provable at all already implies what it is you intend to claim anyway, not that I'm asking.
The point is that I don't buy it.

In other words: "I'm not asking what your role is, I'm just going to assume it's something and then disbelieve you based on that assumption."

Apparently deadline is 23 hours away. We should all just lynch Kdub now.

Classic scum trying to force a quicklynch at the deadline.

Seriously, LOOK at the reasons that GM and BRO are voting me for. This is a poorly reasoned and hastily manufactured wagon.

[Kdub]

Mod: Can we get a deadline extension?

[Kdub]

Completely random. Doesn't seem to make sense from a Town standpoint. The only reason one would claim so early is to head a lynch off at the pass. Why do that? Because it makes you look better in the future if you haven't had a million L-1 wagons run up on you. Who is concerned about appearances? Scum.

What do you mean because of his claim? I'm not in favour of leaving him alive another day just so when he can't actually prove it we lynch him then. I think he is Scum.
I mentioned earlier that I found BRO Town by PoE. I now find him Town on his own merits. He's in this game, paying attention, answering questions. His recent posts in particular have been quite Town, buoyed by his claim, the timing and content of which absolutely make sense from a bravadoing Town standpoint.

So when I claim at L-2, it's "completely random" and "doesn't make sense" as town. When BRO claims at L-2

in the very next post

, the timing "absolutely makes sense" as town.

Also, note that goodmorning didn't even respond to the logic fail I pointed out in 313. He's making an assumption of what he thinks my claim is, then he's calling me a liar based on that assumption.

And look at GM's initial suspicion of me. Very mild compared to his recent attacks, which again I suspect is motivated by his eagerness to force my lynch through at the deadline. He even admits in 300 that his suspicion of me was "nebulous", but suddenly my claim makes me more scum? See above for his inconsistency in his attitude toward me and BRO's claims.

If the deadline weren't an issue, I would prefer a GM lynch to a BRO lynch because his latest attacks have been scummier, but I think GM's defense of BRO here makes them a likely pairing.

Tbh I don't see anything wrong with kdub ATP, because if he truly believes that his power is important for town, I can understand his play.

I'm not saying whether I think my power is important for town or not, only that it's provable.

ffery: Check my wiki for a list of completed games (sorry, I haven't linked them). I feel that my meta depends more on the setup and playerlist than my alignment, but I'll let you judge that for yourself.

[Kdub]

Kdub, the difference is that I'm being resolute in my claim. Yours looks like you are trying to buy time. If your PR is really that important, you can claim it outright and take protection. It looks like you are trying to stall for time.

Also, wrt to the me/GM "pairing," what would me flipping town do to your read on GM?

What does it mean to "buy time"? The deadline is what it is, and me claiming isn't going to change that. As I said, I don't think it's to the town's advantage for me to claim more than is needed, and all that is needed right now is exactly what I have revealed.

You flipping town would probably not change my read on GM much.

Yes, because he was claiming directly in response to fferyllt. It fits with the rest of his gameplay, it's coherent, and it does make sense. You claimed at L-3, completely out of the blue, in an entirely self-preservatory way.
Besides which, a relevant statement coined by DGB: "Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity."

False, I claimed at L-2 (AS, you, BRO). Yes, it is self-preservatory, because the deadline was one day away and I wanted to avoid a situation where I am run up to L-1, claim, then there's no time left for discussion or to switch to someone else (resulting in a mislynch on me). So much for "completely out of the blue". Anybody paying attention can see why I, as town, would be claiming what I did in that spot given the deadline pressure. That DGB quote is completely irrelevant here.

I am assuming you're not going to claim Scum, therefore I am indeed assuming you're lying. Perhaps logic isn't your strong suit.

So basically anything I claim is going to be disbelieved by you. That is quite different from what your post 310 is saying.

And now you're going chainsaw? Without flips? Dull. Unoriginal. Classic Scum.

I suspected you far before you ever indicated suspicion of me, so this is false again.

[Kdub]

VOTE: MC Ride

Policy lynch: I'm worried about a no lynch at this point, we've obviously got some positive utility roles; let's let them do what they do.

This is what we are doing.

^Major problems with this post. You're worried about a no lynch, so you unvote someone you suspect from L-2 to put a different player at L-3? And it's not even someone you think is scum, but just a "policy lynch"?

Tempted to lynch vote you purely because you directed me to your wiki where you don't link to your games, you just list them as text, and you don't label them by alignment.

What can I say, I'm lazy.

[Kdub]

Given the deadline extension, who else would be willing to go for a goodmorning lynch today?

[Kdub]

Um, considering the role claim from him, it's pretty fucking obvious why I did this.

I get why his claim makes him a policy lynch, but that doesn't explain your worrying about a no lynch due to the deadline or your comment about power roles (especially given BRO's claim).

[Kdub]

Because I'm going to get nigh guaranteed support for MC Ride, where fferyllt just said in the post prior she was having second thoughts about BRO.

Fair enough.

PR claim alone shouldn't be enough to dissuade a lynch.

This is true. If you want to lynch me today in spite of what I've already claimed, I don't think a full claim is going to change your mind. I maintain that my reasons for claiming what I did when I did was town motivated, despite how GM tries to spin it.

ffery, how do you feel about a GM wagon today?

This game needs more TMT and ArcAngel.

[Kdub]

TMT, what is your opinion on me/BRO/GM?

[Kdub]

@Kdub: Ughhhhhh I am getting very tired of trying to get across to you that your twisting my words doesn't help anything.

This is coming from someone who makes up stuff (about me claiming at L-3 when I was at L-2) to justify your inconsistent stance on me/BRO, as well as accusing me of "chainsawing" when I suspected you long before you even mentioned me as a suspect. Sorry, you don't get to paint me exposing flaws in your arguments as "twisting" or "misrep" when YOU have flat out lied about the facts and failed to back up your accusations. Your attempt to push through my lynch under deadline pressure failed, and you are now trying to play the victim and resorting to broad generalizations like "misrep" without any substance behind it.

I also realized after looking over the rules that we have a plurality lynch at the deadline. So there is no need to compromise today with an MC or AA lynch or whatever people want to put out there.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: goodmorning

I will not be voting for anyone other than GM or BRO today, and I would only switch back to BRO if it's a "him or me" situation.

[Kdub]

Again, no substance. Sorry that you don't like getting called out on bullshit, but if all I get in response is generalizations and insults, I think that makes it clear who's comfortable discussing the facts and who isn't.

[Kdub]

nothing you have written as any kind of substance at all whatsoever

This is scum trying to buy himself time

You've made assertions here without any explanation. If you want to discuss your reasons, I'd be happy to talk. Otherwise, I can't respond other than to call this what it is.

and this is completely outrageous. There is alot of town motivation for wanting a deadline lynch to go through, alot of people compromise for a quick-lynch at deadline. It doesn't make GM scum

I'm not talking about GM's vote on me, I'm talking about how I was nebulous scum read, then suddenly she became super-convinced I was scum and aggressively trying to push for my lynch as it became me vs. BRO with less than a day to go. Once we got the deadline extension, she backs down into generalities about "misreps" and such without addressing any of the actual points. That is not town compromising on a lynch.

Oh, wait he was the one with the cryptic half-claim

yeah, ok

Pedit: yeah, I'm not buying it

Like I said before, if you don't believe me based on what I've already revealed, the full claim is unlikely to change your mind.

[Kdub]

Who is "you guys"? Me and AS?

I'm less convinced about BRO than I am about GM, but I think scum are unlikely to bus on D1 in a game this size (and they both are supporting each other), and BRO's reason for voting me was terribad.

[Kdub]

No.

Cool. Assert that I am scum, then refuse to answer when asked for an explanation. Can't argue with that (literally).

and your half-claim bullshit is you trying to buy time. This is the kind of thing I see scum do quite often, and I myself do from time to time.

You could apply this logic to any provable/testable claim, so again, if I had claimed my full role, it wouldn't have mattered to you. Not to mention the fact that a few posts ago, you thought I had claimed vengeful townie (which is not testable without a lynch) and were using THAT as a reason against me, so it's pretty clear that you've got a preconception that I am scum and are trying to justify it post-hoc no matter what.

and there is still nothing wrong with GM wanting to push a scum read (assuming I am reading nebulous right) that she believes in at deadline. I don't personally see a shift in her stance on you so...

There is something very wrong when she invents facts and throws blatantly false accusations (e.g. "chainsawing") to push that case, then having the gall to say I am twisting her words when I call bullshit.

[Kdub]

You are arguiing "You can't prove I'm scum. You can't refute a claim I won't elaborate."

No. I am arguing "AS is calling me scum for reasons they refuse to elaborate on". Nobody has asked me for a fullclaim, and I don't think it's going to affect anyone's opinion, but I'll give it if that's what you really want.

I'll accept the lynch today if that's what's going to happen, provided that tomorrow, you look at my interaction with GM over the past several pages and realize how dishonest her attacks are and how inconsistent she has been on her opinions of me/BRO. Until then, I maintain that the reasons for people voting me are either poorly reasoned or unsubstantiated.

[Kdub]

bork, reading his posts the sense I get is that he's playing logic games with others' posts.

I point out logical flaws when people attack me with bad/nonexistent logic. Deal with it. It's how I've always played, no matter what my alignment.

AS's attack and refusal to discuss their issues with me is stubborn, but it's not inherently dishonest like GM's attacks were. I'm a little surprised by fferyllt's sudden change of opinion on me at a somewhat opportune time, but I've generally found her effort so far to be town, and she's showing willingness to listen to reason and discuss the issues. I really feel like GM and BRO are sitting back and letting you guys do their dirty work for them.

There is no need to compromise on a lynch today, or to quickhammer anyone, due to the plurality lynch rule. Vote for who you think is scum. If that turns out to be me, so be it.

I'm just going to claim to get all the cards on the table, and the point of me not fullclaiming in the first place no longer seems viable. When I originally claimed, I pretty much gave you my entire role.

I am Father Christmas, modified fruit vendor

. I can give out a gift at night (sewing machine, sword, shield, bow and arrow, healing cordial) which doesn't serve any purpose other than to confirm my action. My target will receive the gift but won't be told that it came from me (although the nature of some of the gifts should make it pretty obvious to anyone familiar with the source material). I can only give out each gift once. Like I said, if you didn't believe me based on what I claimed before (which turned out to be pretty much everything other than flavor), this information probably isn't going to convince you now. The reason why I didn't claim it all originally was because I wanted scum to have to consider killing me at night. That's probably no longer going to happen, given general opinion on me, and it really would have only applied to N1 since I would have had to fullclaim D2 to prove the gift was from me anyway. Due to my fairly weak power, I won't be too upset if I am lynched today, provided it gets people to look at how badly goodmorning handled our exchange prior to the original deadline.

[Kdub]

It can confirm that you are a fruit vendor. Fruit vendor is alignment non-indicative.

It confirms that I can't perform the scum kill. But whatever, I said a fullclaim wouldn't change anyone's mind (and really, it shouldn't).

Going to quote this again for tomorrow:

I'll accept the lynch today if that's what's going to happen, provided that tomorrow, you look at my interaction with GM over the past several pages and realize how dishonest her attacks are and how inconsistent she has been on her opinions of me/BRO.

ffery, you were talking about forming a town bloc earlier. If you want an actual town bloc, it's pretty much you, MC, TMT, bork, and maybe (HUGE maybe) AS. Do NOT put BRO anywhere near your town bloc unless new objective information arises.

[Kdub]

kdub, ow much experience do you have playing with either head of the AS hydra? What's your basis for thinking it's a huge maybe? That their case on you isn't well explained/reasoned?

I don't believe I've played with either. I say it's a huge maybe because my read on AS is much weaker than my reads on the others I mentioned. MC and TMT are town due to the nature or manner of their claims. I think you have demonstrated town-motivated effort through your willingness to investigate meta and to reason out possible scenarios, plus your thought process appears genuine to me. I think bork is town for similar reasons. I don't feel as strongly about AS, but the hydra dissonance does strike me as genuine, and their attacks on me, though wrong, are not inherently scummy. AS is much more of a "feel" read than anything.

My point is, a townbloc should be made up of players significantly more likely than random to be town. I would probably bet even money that AS is more likely than random to be town than scum, but I wouldn't feel comfortable about it.

[Kdub]

...fruit vendor.

It can confirm that you are a fruit vendor. Fruit vendor is alignment non-indicative.

I'm actually going to highlight this BRO post because this is a fairly subtle twist. I straight-up said outright that my role would not absolutely confirm that I am town, so I don't know why BRO would try to act as if he thought I said it would. Also, I think he's experienced enough to know what the utility of a fruit vendor is and why it COULD clear me at some point, so I think he's just playing dumb here.

[Kdub]

Fruit vendor seems to be a fad role right now. This is the third game I've played since January where someone has claimed it. Last time although the player was actually a fruit vendor, he was also scum. Four players from that game are playing this one.

I've never seen a mafia fruit vendor, but I concede that it's plausible (probably in larger games). It would look pretty bad for that player if they were the last mafia left and suddenly can't give out fruit anymore (or the scum kill suddenly stops happening at night).

[Kdub]

Actually, I have a question for everyone voting me. Do you think I am lying about my role, or that I am telling the truth but am scum?

[Kdub]

There isn't time to form another wagon given player availability. It's you or MC today.

Again, it's plurality lynch at the deadline. There is no threat of a no lynch. We don't need to compromise today. Vote for who you think is scum.

I'm mostly interested in BRO and GM's opinion on whether I am lying about my claim or not. Note the stark difference in GM's approach toward me since the deadline extension, and the fact that she is posting all over the site elsewhere but not here.

pedit: MC, I don't want to lynch you today. If there is a vig in the game, they could kill you and not waste a lynch. I'd honestly rather take the lynch today and expose GM rather than have to go through this shit again tomorrow when I use my power and people go "that doesn't prove you aren't scum!".

[Kdub]

Unrelated: I also submitted Tash as one of my other three character choices

[Kdub]

kdub, what do you think about AS? I'm pretty sure she's scum if you're town.

Leaning town. Again, I think their attack on me is wrong, but it's not dishonest. Why do you think they are scum if I am town?

[Kdub]

The sudden jump on you

and balance reasons.

Meh, it wasn't really that sudden. The two heads have been fairly consistent as individuals, it's just the hydra as a whole that has issues, which is probably a slight town tell if anything.

Not sure what you're getting at with balance reasons. We don't know nearly enough about the setup yet.

Reads:
MC - town due to claim
TMT - town due to timing of claim, though not happy with his play so far
ffery - town due to general effort and thought process
bork - probably town, same reasons as ffery, though less strongly so
AS - leaning town, not entirely confident about this one
AA - complete unknown, needs to post way more
GM - scum for reasons I've elaborated on greatly
BRO - probably scum due to connections with GM, inconsistent/backtracking on reasons for voting me

[Kdub]

Truth about fruit vendor, lying about alignment.

Also your comment about submitting Tash feels off considering that I did not get a character that I submitted to Rach. Not sure if there is scum motivation in that or if something else is off with the way the setup was done that would let us figure shit out.

Actually, while we're at it since I've already role claimed:

Did anyone submit Reepicheep as their character? I did not, but rolled him this game.

Care to explain 422? Do you understand the utility of a fruit vendor?

I was under the assumption that the reason for submitting three names was in the event of multiple people submitting the same character, but maybe that isn't the case.

While you did volunteer the information freely, I'm having trouble seeing Reepicheep as a vengeful townie. Reepicheep was all about honor and dignity. Vengeful townie is definitely not a role I would associate with that.

[Kdub]

Honor and dignity, taking someone down with me in a fight.

That doesn't strike me as honorable. "I lost fair and square, but I'll take some other guy with me"? It's not an obvious inconsistency, but it's a pretty stark contrast to how well my character fits my role. Can you respond to my other question?

I'm going offline for a couple hours. If I'm still alive, I'll be back to discuss more later. Again, no need to cut off discussion with a premature hammer due to plurality lynch.

[Kdub]

...fruit vendor?



Really?



WTF. Just... I can't.

Vote confirmed.

@Kdub: I think you may well be telling the truth about being a fruit vendor. I understand the utility as well, presuming Rach is one of those mods that only allows one action per scum.
But even so there's little point in leaving you alive just in case we manage to lynch the other scum first.

...I don't need to say anything more other than to highlight these two posts.

Fine

I think you missed the point of ffery's question. Also, why would scum ever kill you for your role given that you are specifically claiming that your venge kill only works D1? If you really thought I was scum, why claim when you did rather than seeing what happened between our wagons and then killing me if you got lynched?

[Kdub]

About an hour left. I'm still in line to be lynched. I'm willing to switch to BRO, but I do want him to answer my questions. I think I MIGHT see what he is trying to hint at, but if it is what I think it is, it's still inconsistent with his earlier play if he really thought I am scum.

[Kdub]

It's pretty much decided at this point. I just want everyone to iso me+GM with the knowledge that I am town.

[Kdub]

Good game, I thought penguin was going to pull off the town victory there. bork had me fooled for most of the game, but once BRO flipped town, I thought it was probably him.

BTW, you should all sign up for my Gundam SEED large theme!