Mini 1478 ~ Mafia Xenologue (Game Over!)

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'm here, now I need to read the game; see you tomorrow.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Child, please.

Shut it down, game peaked with the first real post.

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It’s probably confirmation bias from knowing how this ends but how the hell were you reading TIP as anything more than his usual incompetent self in the first many pages?

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and i hate textwalls. never read 'em

I agree, unfortunately this is also great scum cover.

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Or, to put it in other words, you're doing a boring "haha reaction test" backpedal.

You know I think I’ve made arguments like this far more as scum than I have as town because the “haha reaction test” backpedal has basically no correlation with scum in my book but it certainly sounds good.

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The sound from LLD’s link in 126 did not mash up well with Eric Clapton’s Tears in Heaven. And her link in 132 didn’t go well with The Smith’s This Charming Man either. And DTMaster’s 134… you people post the worst links.

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Slow down C

TIP is scum, but that doesn't mean we can do stuff without half the player-base not here in thread yet

Lets find his partners and have everyone else view the thread first

Hate.

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Oh god, there are blue numbers, fuck.

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“-Debonair Danny DiPietro replaces Natirasha. Welcome him!”
-And no one welcomes me, you people are the worst.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Right, need to do this...

UNVOTE:

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

So yeah, I have basically no interest in a Saki lynch. On the other hand I have lots of interest in this.

DO YOU THINK I AM SCUM FOR THAT HAMMER OR NOT?

Yes.

VOTE: Andrius

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

though, what's wrong with my 161?

I think I get a town-vibe from you so far

You mean other than (jokingly?) suggesting you look for relational tells on an unflipped player and also (jokingly?) advocating stretching the day after you've got the lynch you want? Yeah I don't like either of those positions being advocated even if not seriously.

I think that post is pretty town though...

DDD, I why do you think the hammer is more likely to happen from Andrius-scum over Andrius town?

moreso, what do you think of rest of the wagon?

Andrius' title comes from his breadcrumbing, something which requires subtlety and tact to pull off. Furthermore, he clearly read the entire game prior to his post given he quoted extensively from it. Do I think a player who has some modicum of skill and a perchance for subtle plays and clearly knew that TIP was heavily voted "accidentally" hammered? I don't think so. I think it's much more likely that he saw a free and easy lynch that he could get with no risk of it falling apart due to claim because of a claim and minimal risk because both it was an "accident" and he's a relatively persuasive player and look he was right in his assessment because it took until a replacement to make an issue of it. Also look at his posts afterwards they read to me as much more the classic scum going "oh damn, scum killed our doctor" commenting on the flip than they read how I would react if I had committed that mistake.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

also, Being aware of the game-state, and being aware of one-self are two different things. if andrius's title was gained from the fact that he is good at being subtle, it shows that he has high self-awareness, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he has high game-state awareness. Yes, it's obvious that he read the game, but while catching up I don't think one bothers to even check how many times one is voted. I sure as hell know I don't, and it looked completely accidental from my POV.

I also don't think that Scum-andy would have spent so much time trying to see how everyone viewed him based on his hammer, or if he did He wouldn't be so obvious about it.

also, you going to address that second sentence?

1) Except there's no reason he shouldn't have been aware of the game state given that this entire thing comes in one big catch-up post with quotes running from beginning up to that point.

2) Wait, scum wouldn't care about the perception it gave? Yeah, that's not even close to being right. Your argument towards "wouldn't be so blatant" is comparatively a decent argument except personally I've started doing things like that as scum that are super blatant to draw that perception and if I'm doing it then rest assured other competent players are doing it.

3) If I feel like, maybe, at some point.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Fluff is my thing not yours

seriously saki, things like this are getting annoying, you're starting to sound like i can't have fun and must play serious 100% of the time.

What

I know the bad mafia players doing their bad mafia player tango is eye-catching but if you could help me lynch scum instead that'd be grand, thanks.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Dearest Andrius,

You don't have to write your posts in ye olde English but if you insist on writing like you've been instructed to type at the Prosimian School for WORDS AND STUFF I will be forced to ignore you and assume the position I've taken about your scumness is correct. Perhaps that is your desire but if it is not, you know how to get in touch with me.

Sincerely.
Debonair Daniel DiPietro

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Purpkin, I agree that Sakura's read on Saki is pretty bogus, but I am concerned about The Cat Hydra.

Do you read them as town? If you do could you help me understand why?

Can we table that slot for now and focus on the two S wagons?

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Saki votes look like they're voting a anti-town player not a scum player; Sakura is more open to argument but I mostly feel the same way about it.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

They are both kinda easy to lynch, which concerns me a little.

Thrilling, in the meanwhile perhaps you'd like to do something productive with your vote like backing me up instead of letting sit there all lame and useless.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@DDD: If you think Saki's an easy lynch then what do you think about Jabberwock who convinced me about the possibility of Saki being scum?

As far as I can tell Jabberwock's argument is a single post where Saki asks another player if they'd accept a meta-read from a player Saki claimed a scum-read on.

If we were to pretend Saki is a better player I would make the argument that even is Saki thought you were scum that your meta-read would have to be accurate because if you were deceptive that would confirm Saki's read of scum or increase the number of people reading Saki as town. If we assume Saki is as bad as I think Saki is then it's certainly that Saki ignored the fact that scum could or would lie about such a basic thing but Saki-town sees Saki-town and expects everyone else to. Those aren't the only possible options but they're certainly viable town causes of the single post that Jabberwock objected to.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

We lost like 9% of the meter in nine hours at this pace we're not going to have much time at all. Daemon385, morph the cat, and DTMaster especially what are you doing with your lives. Do you really think "Not Voting" is scum?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'm with LLD in that I don't find meta that compelling outside my own experiences and while Saki's pity party makes me want him stabbed to death out of sheer hate it's something I read as town. And I'm reading LLD as town hard. My stance on Andrius has softened somewhat because I saw a fair amount of decent stuff in one of his posts a while back, still not thrilled with the hammer or explanations but eh. Sakura's 760 is a brutal post despite Tierce's protests to the contrary and I certainly find myself drawn that way but especially if the counter is a Saki lynch that I'm exceedingly skeptical of.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

She full claimed.

DDD, the hammer is yours.

For the blood pact.

I just gave on Monday so I'm running a bit low on blood; perhaps we could use Diet Dr. Pepper instead? I have plenty of that.

And yes, I realized she full claimed, I've just been kicking around whether or not there's a reason for me to extend the day. And after some thought, I'm going with no.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sakura Hana

P. Edit. ninjaed by an idiot and an unvote, whatever

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Fluff is my thing not yours

seriously saki, things like this are getting annoying, you're starting to sound like i can't have fun and must play serious 100% of the time.

What

I know the bad mafia players doing their bad mafia player tango is eye-catching but if you could help me lynch scum instead that'd be grand, thanks.

They tangoed so very well; "look at me" they cried; and we obliged them; and we suffered for it.