Mini 1478 ~ Mafia Xenologue (Game Over!)

[Oil Tycoons]

HAI GAIZ
THERE'S NO NEED TO FEAR
SYRYANA IS HERE

TIERCE BABY COME GLAMOR ME WITH YOUR SWEET SWEET VIBES
CABD COME RUB ME SHOULDERS, RHEUMATISM'S A BITCH

[Oil Tycoons]

Man, it's been like a whole minute since that arrival. I'm somewhat disappointed none of you have reacted to my blazing glory.

[Oil Tycoons]

Wait, holy shit, there's been a lynch? What the fuck are you people doing?

[Oil Tycoons]

ANDRIUS

WHAT DID YOU DO

[Oil Tycoons]

OLD MAN LIGHTNING SPEED THREAD SKIM ACTIVATE

off the cuff reads list go:

Town:
Jabberwock - Tierce I fucking love you, never stop being obvtown (also Empire how'd the bar go?)
Morph da cat - Wanna see more from Sasha, but fery's doin her metadives, so they can be town for now (fery come talk to meeeee <3)
Purpkin - Borktown. Nuff said.

People I like:
Andrius - anybody hammering TIP gets megapoints.
LadyLambdadelta - You, I like you.

People I don't like:
Saki - anybody hating walls can choke on it

Scum -
TIP - definite scumfuck, good guy to quickhammer if yer gonna, would have loved some more baselines first tho

Errbody else clearly sucks because I don't have a read on them yet OR BECAUSE I DIDN'T NOTICE THEIR POSTS BECAUSE MY EYES SUCK OR SOMETHING

[Oil Tycoons]

Meh. Rub your own goddamn shoulders. And syr, since when do you care if Tip dies?

Why on earth would I rub my own shoulders when I have you around? What ELSE would I pay you to do?

This is the best thing to ever happen to this game.

Welcome to Oil Tycoons, BABY

Also, you know just as well as I do that calling yourself obv-town ain't gonna fly with this kitty dragon. I gotta convince myself... myself.

Then start reading the game? My scumgame has improved, but not by a whole lot, and you're deluded if you think Empire and I would be working this hard at the game if we were scum. (Our first scum game as a hydra is going to be a miserable, miserable experience.)

I have to agree with Post 240, that sequence was awesome. Start reading, Syryana--you have something like 3 hours before Vi wakes up.

HI TIERCE
CAN I HAZ COOKIES
WILL TRADE PUPPIES

[Oil Tycoons]

Hey, LLD? Can I borrow your knife?

[Oil Tycoons]

I bet it was Rift, wasn't it?

Point me to your most recent reads list, or make a new one

[Oil Tycoons]

O cool

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5186146

I love the ISO button

[Oil Tycoons]

Talk to me about Nastyrasha

[Oil Tycoons]

TIP - definite scumfuck, good guy to quickhammer if yer gonna, would have loved some more baselines first tho

What do you make of his post-hammer behavior?

Also, cookies and puppies are true activity, so.

TIP? I was considering upgrading him from "would DayVig" to "policy lynch" until I realized he was refusing to claim anything at all about his role. Which led me to realize since he got hammered after Vi went to bed, he's got no fakeclaim. Which is my only conceivable reason for him claiming nothing, including flavor.

Also

Potential TIP partners (odds) include Saki (high), Nats (medium) DTwhatever (low) and Lady (low)

Andy super unlikely but technically possible.

Strong town reads in Purpkin and Jabber.

Here. The top part is predicated on scum-TIP which I'm thinking isn't based on his rageposts at Mara.

So talk to me about Nastyrasha. I don't like Saki either, but I may be fighting some severe rage bias involving RIP TEAR IF YOU DON'T LIKE READING WALLS DON'T PLAY A WORD BASED FORUM GAME

O cool

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5186146

I love the ISO button

Lol that was my post not hers

Whatevs

Hey, LLD? Can I borrow your knife?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fm5BR-xKUc

That was incredibly fucked up. I knew there was a reason I liked you. I'm going to upgrade your knife to a chainsaw and stab TIP with it, if that's k?

PEDIT I WILL READ ALL THE THINGS

[Oil Tycoons]

OOH OOH THIS ONE IS BETTER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d1_5J8UboI

<3

Talk to me about Nastyrasha

I want to think Natirasha is town because I liked the relaxed but engaged vibe early in the thread. But...fishing. After the dayvig he was really collected, like he was almost talking to himself though he answered questions, which could be avoiding associations, maybe.

pedit LET ME POST

I think the avoiding associations bit is a stretch. TIP is a hell of a lot guilter of fishing than Nasty (moot point now but w/e) and Nasty came off more like "gaiz i dunno wot this does anyone else halp". I've got this gut feeling he's town.

Pedit: Stabbing TIP with it's my price. Then you have a chainsaw knife.

[Oil Tycoons]

Also, that puppy pic seems kinda lame

Burb

[Oil Tycoons]

That's be'er

[Oil Tycoons]

fuck walls
you go faceplant one

HAY
HAY YOU
YOU ANTI WALLER DON'T LIKE WALLS BITCH
GIVE READS
AND CONTENT
AND PUPPIES
AND WE MIGHT NOT LYNCH YOU TOMORROW

[Oil Tycoons]

Tierce, is it just me, or do these Day 1 derphammers seem to gravitate towards whatever game we're both in?

Pedit: Hrmm.... Well, he's being anti-town as shit not claiming anything, obv. Why? Hellfino.

[Oil Tycoons]

Oh.... oh god. This exchange makes my joints flare and my bank accounts fluctuate

I just told you; Mara is benefiting from Cold Stone and just posted a three line herpaderp he's scum because I'm lynchbait and she saw the opportunity NOW LYNCH THEM

Am I seriously wrong on a TIP read?

please tell me I am not wrong on a TIP Read

also, Andy I exist ._.

AND NOW THE COMPASSION CARD
FFS
LYNCH
LYNCH
AAAAH

TIP

Reads

now

I DID
WHAT THE FUCK

there is scum outside of us

who else is scum, who else is town

NO
NO
YOU ARE SCUM
YOU ARE THE SCUMMIEST OF THE SCUMMIEST OF THE SCUM
YOU ARE EVEN SCUMMIER THAN LAMBDADELTA
THAT IS HOW SCUMMY YOU ARE MARA
SCUM

Is it just me, or does this look fake as fuck to anyone else? Could def see TIP scum doing this for the WIFOM'ses. Also #199 might be a scumslip with that "there is scum outside of us" comment.
TIP, Purpkin, Saki scumteam?

Pedit: Yes, I am thinking Nasty is town

Pedit2: Sakiscum confirmed

[Oil Tycoons]

Pedits in reverse order

But yeah

[Oil Tycoons]

TIP is not used to Vi games, though--might be expecting himself to flip/not care/whatever. Town being bitter post-hammer is extremely frustrating to the rest of the game, and he's not posting on-site and wasn't posting by the time I asked him to claim. Yeah, it's anti-Town, but it's not necessarily coming from scum and I don't want to make associations based off that conclusion when his bitterness post-hammer felt somewhat genuine.

Parts of his bitterness do. Other parts notsomuch. See above.

Pedit: Hmm yeah. Probably reading overmuch into it. Thanks

[Oil Tycoons]

I'd be more worried about associations after we get a flip TBH

Though, we're definitely lynching Saki anyways

[Oil Tycoons]

Hm. I have a pretty solid town read on bork. Not sure I agree about Purpkin.

Yeah, I saw that looking back earlier. The exchange between TIP and Purp (or more correctly mara) kinda has me weirded out though. Might be overreacting, but meh

[Oil Tycoons]

How?

I read it as "there's other scum to look at, not just us"

[Oil Tycoons]

Looks like town mara to me, syr. So on a scale of varsoon to nero, how hard are you gonna troll saki now?

you lil shit
I'm a cat person

[Oil Tycoons]

Answer your question?

[Oil Tycoons]

How?

I read it as "there's other scum to look at, not just us"

I read it as sarcasm. The only slips I've caught her in other games were quite small.

Mmmm, yeah, I went back and read bork, and relieved myself, and now I'm feeling much less paranoid

[Oil Tycoons]

Town:
Jabberwock - Tierce I fucking love you, never stop being obvtown (also Empire how'd the bar go?)
Morph da cat - Wanna see more from Sasha, but fery's doin her metadives, so they can be town for now (fery come talk to meeeee <3)
Purpkin - Borktown. Nuff said.
Nastyrasha - Gut.

People I like (but don't necessarily have a read on):
Andrius - anybody hammering TIP gets megapoints.
LadyLambdadelta - You, I definitely like you.

Needs Moar Posts:
Daemon - though i dun like some of this dude's posts, maybe put him in scumfuck pile
ProHawk
DTMaster
Sakura Hana
Vi

Scum -
Saki - definite scumfuck
Daemon385 - this dude has four posts, and i dun liek any of em, monopoly's buildin some hotels on this bitch tomorrow

Updated. Jabbers, morph, do you have any experience with LLD? I dun know her. I like her, but I've no idea what her play looks like without meta I can't be arsed to do right now. Either of you got anything?

[Oil Tycoons]

Have no idea why the first post happened. Have you played with DTMaster?

Nawsuh. Nevah played wif him, naw red a game he been in.

OOPS I MADE A BOOBOO

[Oil Tycoons]

Dat Vi read too good, Syryana. Someone's going to be annoyed at us for 10+ pages overnight--by the by, I'm fully expecting only to see a flip tomorrow night.

The other head has decent meta on LLD, but that'll have to wait.

You can't really tell me you don't wanna see Vi post more, surely?

Looking forward to LLD meta discussions on the morrow.

[Oil Tycoons]

ohai mara

[Oil Tycoons]

watchu want mara
tell me mara
you don't wanna make this old man sad
by popping in thread
and leaving again

Pedit I like LLD because I think she's cool. Has nothing to do with her alignment.

[Oil Tycoons]

Nuh uh. I don't know'm.

[Oil Tycoons]

Well I guess I'm just not fucking good enough for anybody

[Oil Tycoons]

TIERCE

[Oil Tycoons]

EMPIRE

[Oil Tycoons]

I want you two buddying the fuck up to us today because we got killed last night and we are gonna die during the end of the day. But I seem to have this extremely nasty habit of dying N1 when you're scum and I am just a teensy tiny bit paranoid you killed me . Luckily, we have this beyond the grave ability that we're gonna use to protect you if you dance with us but otherwise we're protecting morph the cat and I really don't want to give them my beautiful protection unless they really, REALLY deserve it.

[Oil Tycoons]

:/

[Oil Tycoons]

We are Marth. Our first ability is "I say when it ends!" which means that if we would be nightkilled, we will instead die at the end of the next day. We got a message this morning saying we will die at the end of today. We were nightkilled during the night.

[Oil Tycoons]

And also there was a nightkill, just delayed. What impact does that have on your investigation? Is it still pointing guilty at me?

he didn't know that, he probably roleblocked you, he's holy shit town as fuck.

[Oil Tycoons]

tl;dr you're faking a scumread on me + omg I am living on borrowed time

"we got killed last night and i'm a tiny bit paranoid that you killed me"
is a declaration that should not result in
"you're faking a scumread on us with 'living on borrowed time!'" crap

it is a declaration that should result in
"how do you know you were killed last night? why aren't you dead if you were killed? why the hell would you ever have a scumread on me because I am town as fuck?"
questions, not poor suspicions. please don't tell me you truly are scum, tierce.
also where is empire?

[Oil Tycoons]

Even if he is wrong about the guilty I still think he's scum.

...?

[Oil Tycoons]

because the guilty's not 100% reliable and he wanted a reaction?
keep your mind on sakura scum, don't get distracted by your OMGUS tendencies.

[Oil Tycoons]

Sucks to be you. What was so urgent about reading us (when you and us are a typical N1 kill regardless of who is scum) that it couldn't wait for you to see Syryana's read on me + our posts on D1 + tell DTMaster he's wrong?

DTM figures out he's wrong when we claim.
I know Syryana's read on you. He thought you were town yesterday. I leaned towards you being town yesterday. That doesn't mean I'm going to give you a free pass...? The N1 kill comment was mostly a joke, but the way you responded to it was extremely fucking strange.

I assumed a pseudo-claim of Poison effect--you said you were going to die at the end of the Day.

I said we were killed yesterday. That means that we were killed yesterday, not that we were poisoned. Killed.

But it bothers me that you come in with this when Syryana has already made plenty clear that he thinks we are Town (in a way that also bothers me because it's almost a carbon copy of his immediate read on me in Maf.Raptured), and I did tell you to go read D1 because we are Town as fuck. Plus you didn't post images of puppies.

I read D1 already. Surprises of surprise, no one did anything that was horrendously amazing except for Andy but it was amazing in a herp derp way.

[Oil Tycoons]

hi ffery.
we just broke tierce and we expected we would be skipping through a field of daisies with them. i am going to lay out my thought process with what just happened, tell me what you think of it.

[Oil Tycoons]

I want you two buddying the fuck up to us today because we got killed last night and we are gonna die during the end of the day. But I seem to have this extremely nasty habit of dying N1 when you're scum and I am just a teensy tiny bit paranoid you killed me . Luckily, we have this beyond the grave ability that we're gonna use to protect you if you dance with us but otherwise we're protecting morph the cat and I really don't want to give them my beautiful protection unless they really, REALLY deserve it.

:/

You know what role I didn't draw, then.

Fery, I love you. You fill the hole in my heart left by Tierce-scum. I'm bleeding, and you're my bandaid. Thank you.

[Oil Tycoons]

Speaking of which, while Nacho's doing that, I need to go torture some puppies. And post gifs of such. Brb.

[Oil Tycoons]

Tierce-scum

You have to be delusional if you think this is Tierce-scum after Stack the Deck.

Honey-child, I've been accused of many things in my storied, sensational career. Sanity was not one of them.

[Oil Tycoons]

Hold on tight, fer-fer. Nacho's making his case atm.

[Oil Tycoons]

I want you two buddying the fuck up to us today because we got killed last night and we are gonna die during the end of the day. But I seem to have this extremely nasty habit of dying N1 when you're scum and I am just a teensy tiny bit paranoid you killed me . Luckily, we have this beyond the grave ability that we're gonna use to protect you if you dance with us but otherwise we're protecting morph the cat and I really don't want to give them my beautiful protection unless they really, REALLY deserve it.

At the time of this post, I was seriously excited to draw the N1 kill with this baller role, excited that maybe finally I would be town with tierce for a change. But Tierce has been with me in Stack the Deck where I ended up dying as the N1 kill and she went on as scum, so she should know that maybe I will be a tiny bit paranoid. And yes, I do draw N1 kills, but it is a tiny bit strange that I drew the N1 kill when I was not around (Syr made it into thread AFTER the lynch) when power players such as Tierce were around and doing things and apparently obvtown. So this is essentially Syr and I establishing ourselves as confirmed town who are reaching out to Tierce/Empire with the promise of protecting them with our dying breath so that we can lynch all of the scum together, which is sort of how I imagined this game.

Tierce's reaction is something that's more along the lines of "wait you guys were poisoned?? why didn't you say this before?" and senseless paranoia instead of "oh, you guys are confirmed town let's lynch scum together". She asks us "what's so urgent about reading us?" which doesn't make any semblance of sense in either Syr's or my mind or the fact that she still isn't working with us after we essentially established ourselves as confirmed town by declaring that we will die by the end of the next day which is a extremely verifiable fact, and that makes us uncomfortable. It's not a gambit. We want to work with you, but I still have my concerns about you because you are becoming a more capable scum player and I don't know how fast you're making improvements and where, so when things ping for me, like when your reaction to us being nightkilled during the night but being alive today being "sucks for you" when it should be "that's awesome let's wreck this game together" is something that needs to be pursued.

[Oil Tycoons]

Nacho opening this game with what read like an elaborate gambit to try and push me when I'm already obvTown

Tierce. We die tonight. This is confirmable. Why the fuck would we make an elaborate gambit just to fuck with you, particularly when a lie of that sort would become immediately obvious the following Day phase?

[Oil Tycoons]

You're the kind of person who says he wants to fake scumreads on me to force me to look absurdly Town.

I just want to clear the air on this one:
I

say

I want to fake scumreads on you to force you to look absurdly town. I do not because it's a game-damaging move and I won't throw you off your game for absolutely no reason. In this case, I want you established as confirmed town beyond a shadow of a doubt because I do not want to waste this day being influenced by scum-you and then protecting you during the night. I want scum to die today, I want scum to die tomorrow, and I want the last scum to sit there with his hands up because it is completely fucking hopeless. So yes it is slight paranoia and yes you are probably town at this point in time but please don't crumple when I am reassuring yourself about your towniness. You wouldn't have to deal with this if you didn't break my heart, but betrayal always comes with a price <3

[Oil Tycoons]

[Oil Tycoons]

Also, in reference to our greatly renewed friendship:

[Oil Tycoons]

And we put fery up in this shit

[Oil Tycoons]

I have puppies for everyone. You can tell me who you think is scum currently too!

[Oil Tycoons]

Jabbers, if the mara head of purpkin, when she gets online, agrees with me, I'm more than confident enough to run him up all the way. Between the two of us, we can read him transparently.

There are two things that Cabd most prides himself in the game of mafia: his scumgame, and his metadiving powers. With several of the players here, this is essentially a guilty report on TiP, and even if it doesn't get him lynched the next day, it shoots his credibility half to hell. This is not a typical Cabd move; it's one of those high-risk low reward plays that would make me heavily focus in on the slot, which of course isn't a good thing since I read ffery like an open book and reading hydras with a good scum player and an easy to read as scum player is really, really, really not that difficult. Cabd as scum would not want to put so much pressure on ffery for a TIP lynch because it is absolutely not even being close to worth it.

The other big reason was #383, which was the type of town-ffery that she absolutely couldn't fake. She tends to be very self-conscious about what she's posting as scum, and the awkward phrasing was not something that she would be happy with as scum. It also was assuming that I had a townread of her already, which while pretty subtle and an unconscious type of thing for town-ffery (yeah he knows my game, probably thinks I am town) but would be an insane manipulation and a wonderful observation if scum. I'll let you know if anything changes, but she's like 97% town at the moment so yeah probably won't change.

[Oil Tycoons]

Okay. First off, since my return to the site, I've never got to actually participate in a RVS. So, I'm happy to have the chance to VOTE: Natirasha.

Now, act two. I got to ask: does anyone else have an ability with text that approximately says "you don't know what this ability does or how to activate it"?

And while we're at explaining why certain people are town, we have the ability he's asking about and holy fuck is the way he went about it town.

[Oil Tycoons]

Vote: Sakura Hana

ok cool.

[Oil Tycoons]

i'm going to die at the end of the day. i'm not dead yet.

[Oil Tycoons]

We are Marth. Our first ability is "I say when it ends!" which means that if we would be nightkilled, we will instead die at the end of the next day. We got a message this morning saying we will die at the end of today. We were nightkilled during the night.

[Oil Tycoons]

I'll go check but I don't think you're dead.

This was actually pretty hilarious and highly unlikely to be coming from scum. I don't think Andy hammered on purpose, despite his alignment. However, after someone told him that he quickhammered, Andy's response to akin to "nah. don't really think so". I think that Andy as scum would've rushed back to double-check a hammer like that in thread, and I sure as hell don't think he would've shrugged off quickhammering accidentally as scum so easily. It does, however, make sense as town considering the cabd-guilty, which is a strong indication of Andy-town.

[Oil Tycoons]

GRANPA'S STILL ALIVE

[Oil Tycoons]

Sorry, we're still dead.

Emptierce, those questions you asked..

1) What's your current read on the Purpkin slot?

Town as fuck.

2) I can get behind your townread on Donald Fagen's wonderful 2006 solo album but I don't think I really buy the Andrius town-read. His hammer and subsequent reaction to it seem way too easy for a player of his competence to fake. Is there anything else in his posts that make you think he's town or is that it? There's something I want to ask Tierce about that's very largely meta-based though.

I'm not sure exactly why Nacho thinks Andrius is town, but for me he's in my "town as fuck" block. Can't really get into details, but suffice it to say this looks way too natural (content and tone) to be his scumgame.

Current scum:
Sakura Hana
Prohawk
Daemon

Obvscumteam, kill it with le fire.

[Oil Tycoons]

Everyone just went silent!
@Nacho/Syry do you have any questions for me?

Who are your partners?

[Oil Tycoons]

DTM and Morph

Is that all you going to ask?

Pretty much.

Pretty boring answers from where I'm standing, Messieurs Tycoon.

We actually think Sakura is Town. But Post 465 was not written by someone with a Town wincon.

VOTE: Saki

What in the name of seven fucks has Sakura as a townread for you two?

[Oil Tycoons]

GRANPA'S STILL ALIVE

You still around?

FERY

I KNOW YOU'RE THERE

GET IN HERE

[Oil Tycoons]

Sakura Hana: The reason I asked about #353 is that I saw that post as a potential towntell -- I don't think Sakura would have voiced approval of the TIP mislynch after the fact and that it's far more likely she would have said she didn't know/had no opinion (easy to fake considering she didn't even post during the Day 1) or would have tried to distance herself from it in some other way.

This? srs? Considering I came in right after the lynch and voiced my support it's not exactly unimaginable she did the same thing. You're really ignoring all the bloody scumtells in favor of a nulltell? Like the fact she can't come up with a single read, or that she has no comment on anything or anybody? The fencesitting? No?

PEDIT - YOU CAN TOO STOP BEING LAZY

Pedit2: no kidding they aren't scum together, hence Saki-VI and Sakura-scum. You were in bloody 501, you really think this is her townplay?

[Oil Tycoons]

It is awkward to come in after reading D1 without getting to post just because day ended early, and expect me to have reads right off the bat without interacting with people.

Except you're not interacting with people. You're reacting to people.

[Oil Tycoons]

It is awkward to come in after reading D1 without getting to post just because day ended early, and expect me to have reads right off the bat without interacting with people.

Except you're not interacting with people. You're reacting to people.

In fact your entire ISO has exactly zero posts in which you make a remote attempt to determine someone's alignment.

[Oil Tycoons]

Trololololol

You've been so busy answering questions you can't come up with your own?

[Oil Tycoons]

to ask someone else to trust your scumread's read on you. There's a logical leap there that does not make sense if Saki is Town.

You know, rereading that section again, I don't think he's asking what you think he's asking. Prohawk had just gotten done shitting all over Nastyrasha for the bad metaread due to lack of experience, then Saki waltzes in with 465. I don't think he was asking Prohawk to trust the metaread of Sakura, I think he was asking

if

he trusted Sakura's meta read, given that Sakura has more experience.

So, in context

These two posts don't equate at all. Going from I have little experience to Vote: I have seen this before but can't tell you where. Meta takes a lot of games and experience to be done properly.

@ph
would you trust sakura's metaread on me then? she has at least five games with me

I believe 465 should read: "Since Sakura has five games' experience with me, do you trust her ability to metaread me?"

[Oil Tycoons]

No, Syr. Go look at the follow-up from Saki when my other head calls him out on it. He thinks Sakura Hana should be able to read him; he's asking ProHawk to Townread him because clearly Sakura Hana is good at this bsns of reading really basic meta.

We'll agree to disagree then.

I was focusing at Saki's gameplay so much that I didnt realize you were referring to that one action, even tho you mentioned it multiple times... sorry about that.

Okay, since you're here, howzabout some reads. Questions? Concerns? Anything?

Another word out of your mouth about Saki I'm going to gif you into oblivion.

[Oil Tycoons]

Lady's town

Why?

DTM's null leaning scum

Why?

[Oil Tycoons]

DTM because of 429

Why does 429 give you scumvibes?

Lady because of her overall content in her posts.

What content do you like? Elaborate.

[Oil Tycoons]

If that's true then the whole more reason you're scumbuddy with him due to him wanting to clear you as town.
^
Also replies DTM's question.

How does this jive with DTM claiming to get Saki lynched?

[Oil Tycoons]

Oh nvm, I missed his other post >_>
That still doesn't confirm you as town tho.

No, but how does that change your read on DTM?

[Oil Tycoons]

P.S.: Tierce obvtown'd herself on our slot's first post of the game, you need to step up your game dude.

<<<nightkilled before my first post of the game.
I don't need to step up shit, I'm practically a scumhunting god at this point.

1) What's your current read on the Purpkin slot?

Town. We see those same gorgeous flashes of borktown that ffery does; #76 was that same feeling you had before you had it and those types of observations is usually where scum-bork falls out of place the hardest and I am really digging that paranoia that's centered around the Jabberwock hydra. It's incorrect but it's quite a distinct town type of incorrect.

Is there anything else in his posts that make you think he's town or is that it?

That's it! We haven't gotten close and cuddly yet so that's all I can give you for now. My absolute favorite tactic is looking for andrius to breadcrumb too many different things and then lynch the living fuck out of him, but so far he's pretty safe on that front.

p.s. Nacho, on a sliding scale of WEARING ORANGE ON ST. PATTY'S DAY to GODTOWN where do you sit with Jabberwock. Because I'm a bit worried and I see you are so maybe we can talk a bit and work this out.

they're wearing green and pretty much blackout drunk

Do you have any meta with ffery/Cabd?

You don't trust my meta on them?

(Psst, it was me, Empire, not Tierce. Every single post on this last page has been me.)

Too much Empire posting, probably scum.

The reason I asked about #353 is that I saw that post as a potential towntell -- I don't think Sakura would have voiced approval of the TIP mislynch after the fact and that it's far more likely she would have said she didn't know/had no opinion (easy to fake considering she didn't even post during the Day 1) or would have tried to distance herself from it in some other way.

You see a towntell where I see a scumtell... commenting on the lynch after the fact is completely useless and is usually just empty content; mbf did it when we lynched TiP in Duck Duck Goose and it was scummy as fuck then, it's scummy as fuck now. And there's nothing about the opinion itself that can be criticized: are you gonna yell at her for agreeing with a lynch when there's an entire majority on the wagon otherwise?

There are two things that Cabd most prides himself in the game of mafia: his scumgame, and his metadiving powers.

I object, I pride myself on my snark as well.

There are two things that Cabd most prides himself on in the game of mafia for good reason:*

There was no attempt at you trying to figure out if TIP was scum or town, it was "oh, you failed to do this thing you normally do as town, you are auto-scum".

It was a meta read. I'm assuming you know how Cabd treats his metareads considering your hydra with him, no?

Overall, question in #462 seems genuine and not just him trying to fulfill meta expectations. Although we both wonder how well cabd can read prohawk and we'd be appreciative if you could clear that up for us.

If Nacho is telling the truth then,

There is still a question if we're telling the truth or not...?

A quick assesment of what I think of this game so far? We are lynching WAY to fast. I was trying to get more info on the D1 lynch guy cause he had way to many people on him to fast in my opinion.

See this is one of those things that is a useless opinion. I also don't like how he says he was trying to get more information because the lynch was going too fast, yet had the opportunity to state that the lynch was going too fast during his questioning. Daemon left right after the Jabberwock vote on the tip wagon, yet didn't say a single thing about the wagon speed or even the wagon in general.

GRANPA'S STILL ALIVE

You still around?

Nah I totally forgot to post after that.

Everyone just went silent!
@Nacho/Syry do you have any questions for me?

Why didn't you have a reaction to our vote on you?
What does "overall content of their posts" even mean?

It is awkward to come in after reading D1 without getting to post just because day ended early, and expect me to have reads right off the bat without interacting with people.

Since when do you need to interact with someone to get a read on them?

DDD's catchup post is boring

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~Vote Count VIII: Marth

YES THIS IS ME
<3 VI

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Prod now, back later

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Your read on me speaks to the contrary, but I suppose this is more of a post-game discussion more than anything.

Joking.

The Cat Hydra already pointed this out... but. The game I played with Cabd was full of meta to acquire mis-lynches, and it worked flawlessly. Unless Town-Cabd is a moron, he will use more than just meta to drive someone into the ground because I know he knows that meta-alone is more of a miss than a hit when it comes to accuracy. Which only speaks to the way he uses it to attain mis-lynches. Not to mention this whole business of tossing me aside because he claims I always scum-read him is a farce.

What games have you two played together?

Ofc I trust you I just wish you'd talk to me more but I know there are other pretty girls out there so I'll just sit here and be here when you're ready to talk to me.

I'm ready to talk. When and about what?

Next on my list is Oil Tycoons and only cause I hope it isn't scum trying to buy another day. Though I doubt this and it is just me thinking about all possibilities so don't mind that I am just saying everything on my mind here.

Why would we need to go through such drastic measures to buy another day?

Nacho, I made some time and just went through mbf's ISO in Duck Duck Goose and I think there's a huge difference between what mbf was doing there and what Sakura's doing here. In that game, I see lots of stuff with mbf posturing about both lynch wagons by calling them speed/lurker lynches.

"Upon review I think, ultimately, I don't have a problem with Irish's lynch. The vibe I get from him is that he pushes somebody, but backs off when they push back. He seems to be trying to take the path of least resistance to get somebody lynched. "
is specifically what I'm referring to.

---That Marth was a Jugdral character. ._.

and an amazing one.

Fluff is my thing not yours

seriously saki, things like this are getting annoying, you're starting to sound like i can't have fun and must play serious 100% of the time.

That's a pretty strong overreaction. Is there a reason you're ignoring me this game, or...?

Which one of those would you classify as a hard-on?

56 is not a hard on. The rest are.

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That's a pretty strong overreaction. Is there a reason you're ignoring me this game, or...?

I yelled at her in another game for it. If that's context enough.

It is.

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Would you mind linking a few of those juicy offsite games?

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Sup, bitches.

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So, kitty babies, I see all these meta and things and a severe lack of conclusion drawing. Ya got all this shit on le Andrius, straight answer now. Town or scum?

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I *think* I would recognize scum Andrius. I'd go with town based on the model I've got.

I'm in pretty much agreement with ya. You've talked to Nacho more recently than I, so I'm no help there.

Ignoring the "S-people clusterfuck" who do be you thinking scum?

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I'm not liking Prohawk.

Did Nacho talk about him at all?

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I'm not liking Prohawk.

Did Nacho talk about him at all?

Yay self ISO. Answer: no.

Well, he can come give his two cents later.

I don't like Prohawk either, and I haven't liked him since his opening post at the start of this Day phase. He's spent way too much time tunneling your slot to the exclusion of all else (especially when it's p obv the slot is town to a bunch of other obvious townsfolk and townscreatures) and the timing of his little "hey the old man might be scum cuz disingenuous was damn convenient considering we just got protected afask.

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And I'm still voting Sakura

Shoodlydoodlydoo
VOTE: Prohawk

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Nah im probably the one that should die today, I can't find scummy behavior on any player and that means that either 1. I sux at reading people or 2. I'm scum. Regardless of which one it is I wouldn't be any help at all for the rest of the game.

So you what, want to die because you're feeling emo? Pull your head out of your ass if you're town; you're wasting valuable time whining and requesting we hurt ourselves to get rid of your sorry ass. Or replace out.

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VOTE: Prohawk

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Oh, you've answered everything I asked of you (iirc) so you've done what I wanted I just was expecting a bit more love I guess. whatever ill settle with lld?

can we cuddle and sing songs by the campfire together?
i've wanted to hear your voice in real time for foreva but i keep getting robbed

Nacho, what are your thoughts?

He's disturbingly town.

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OH LADYLAMBDADELTA
WHERE ARE YOU
ANDY ISN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO LIKES TO CHAT OVER TEA AND CRUMPETS
COME HITHER AND CONVERSE

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That fatalism/deathwish/frustration at having no scumreads is Town Town Town.

Null null null, sorry.

n this game? He's just flailing around being 'useless' and getting cozy with Sakura's bland description of his meta, because he thinks he can. Saki is not stupid and can pull his weight as Town, but he's choosing not to do so here and instead play the herp a derp omg to scummy to be scum card. He's scum, don't be fooled by the act.

He can be useless as scum and useful as town. Imagine that.

He is one of the players here who benefit heavily from NKing Nacho before Nacho even gets to post,

Everyone benefits heavily from that. He's town and he didn't kill me.

Which personally has me writing them of at the moment. One of them could be scum, but I feel like they are just blatantly being uselessly bad.

This doesn't explain why you're currently writing them off.

2) Why did he pick us when he could pick Nacho, who he is much more used to dealing with?

Last time Andy was recruiting masonizer and didn't recruit me until N3.

It's weird for me because I can also do that. Except my ability fails if i target a male character, this is getting too weird, is it normal of Vi to give the exact same ability to 2 people?

How did you miss Purpkin's neighborizer claim as well?

Okay seriously Sakura is like Townier than Nachyana, that post was ridiculously Town. Never ever ever lynch that slot. But--my brain.

Tierce you really really need to touch bases with us because your reads are not aligning well with ours at the moment.
Andrius's neighborhood with you explains his earlier paranoia on you and he's 100% town.

Just pointing out the obvious little snake-head dude so that maybe when I am dead someone will come back to this post and see your failed logic. Whether its indicative of your alignment yet is still out for jury, but it is admissible evidence to me. Should also note I hadn't completely caught up and missed your reasoning for Andy not being investigative.

Is there a reason you're ignoring us?

DDD is up in the air for me, but I think Nat was town and I get a good vibe from him.

So uh, yeah.

Is prohawk on your list? Because your list would be great if you dropped out the paranoia 3 and put prohawk on your list.

I'm starting to smell a chainsaw here... and by that i mean my town read on LLD is dropping...

Are you

kidding

me.

When morph the cat and Andrius's Neighborizer abilities were revealed, she claimed Neighborizer as well without prompting and with specific details. Scum don't do this kind of thing.

Saki claiming that he was playing anti-town because of her "you get powers later in the game" clause is a fakeclaim far beyond his skill level and the matching up with LLD's power SCREAMS town. Yes, there will be scum versions of that power, but the scum version is not Saki and is not LLD. Sakura claiming neighborizer after Andrius claimed was scummy as fuck because instead of truly counterclaiming, Sakura posted THIS:

and we got a town neighborizer?.... what in the fricken hell?!

This is not how town reacts. This is how scum reacts if they see a role that counterclaims their confirmable one.

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God you're so bad

bad =/= scum tho :3

And you just attacked me too, when i said i was starting to smell a chainsaw.

P-Edit: From my PoV, yes.

I am calling in all favors. Anyone who refuses to lynch this cheeky scum fuck with me is dead to me.

Nacho, Andrius I'm looking at you. I am invoking the blood pact, mother fuckers.

Morph, Purpkin.
You as well.

Vote: Sakura Hana

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Oil Tycoons, can you take a look at my pressure onto Prohawk 2-3 pages ago? The interaction where I told him if he didn't shut up I'd fuck his shit up.

Look at his reaction and tell me what you think.

I saw it, but I don't think it's alignment indicative. I think competent scum realizes that taking the easy road and shutting up is a horrible, horrible idea.