Mini 1478 ~ Mafia Xenologue (Game Over!)

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hi guys

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you made a donald fagan themed hydra and I'm not in it?

what is this shit

The possibilities aren't exactly exhausted. Babylon Sisters? Cousin Dupree? Deacon Blues?

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Hi guys. Cabd here. We're honestly not going to bother with having ffery sign, because she and I talk differently enough.

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Hey Cabd. You know what we're expecting to see from you. I'll give you... five pages, give or take

Order received, destination set: Five pages.

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Cold stone all over again? Methinks so.

VOTE: TIP

Dance.

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It doesn't match his profile in cold stone to a T,but quite a bit of overlap is there. He hasn't done any of his random stupid shit. Town TIP always does something dumbassish on page one. And he claims his "new and improved" ways only when convenient.

44 is the "tip being serious" post that sent off alarm bells actually. Compare 26 in coldstone.

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Jabbers, if the mara head of purpkin, when she gets online, agrees with me, I'm more than confident enough to run him up all the way. Between the two of us, we can read him transparently.

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borktown.

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borktown.

I'm cabd and I approve this fferypost 120%

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The half of the Purpkin hydra that's (I'm assuming) has written all the posts so far.

Oh. Kay. Not saying I don't agree, but any particular reason why you're confident in that?

Several. But do explain why

you

, of all people, want Townreads explained.

Perfect, thanks Empire! That's all I needed.

Wrong person and you should know it~ But you did not answer my question.

Whatttttt. See this is why I want your posts signed. I thought you were Empire pulling out his meta on me.

As an answer, it was two pronged. Firstly, I just wanted to know if you had a particularly strong reason for the read, or if it was GUT! >=D.

Secondly, because I thought it was Empire, I wanted to test his reaction to me asking him about the reasons on one of his town reads. I'm notorious for advocating that it's anti-town to explain town reads. I figured if he was town he'd say something like that.

I believe that was my read.

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It was ffery clarifying that the borktown thing was her read, initially.

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It was ffery clarifying that the borktown thing was her read, initially.

Correct.

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@Morph the Cat/Jabberwok
1. A point was raised about TIP's prior game activities and gambits. I want meta links/game references. How does dumb early pages TIP differ from learning TIP in terms of town play. Differences in play style and pattern recognition of prior game play works - but there is something off when TIP openly admitted to buddying to Tierce/Jabber slot that I dislike about the wagon. I just want these references, I have a working idea on something else and will dig that up later.

Cold Stone: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30103

Game with TIP-town (I was scum there): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28000

Another TIP towngame: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=28260

And another: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29547

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This is similar behavior to what he showed in the recently finished Cold Stone Open, and was the main reason Cabd (as MC Maraca) scumread him in that game.

Furthermore, the other head of MC maraca is the other head of the pumpkin hydra, so we're both here to nail him.

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Hi

Mara here

and I agree with TIP scum

Okay guys, no more hesitation. Run the fucker up.

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Pretty sure that was hammer.

(7)ProHawk, Purpkin, morph the cat, saki, jabberwock, lady lamdadelta, andrius

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It was irrelevant. We have bigger issues at hand, you know. Drop the subject and focus now.

Other reads?

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When you get to hell, tell them Cabd sent you.

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Purpkin is scum
morph and tierce are town i guess
Andrius is scum too (hammer without a claim is a policy lynch, no exceptions)
Nati eh
Saki is Town
Guess that's it

After all that interaction with Lady Lambda you don't have a read?

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Potential TIP partners (odds) include Saki (high), Nats (medium) DTwhatever (low) and Lady (low)

Andy super unlikely but technically possible.

Strong town reads in Purpkin and Jabber.

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I am not fucking scum
Why would I lie in Twilight
Please lynch Purpkin

Because partner masking WIFOM? Ok fine, let's play "what if you were town" and ask "Why is purpkin scum?" because that's my number one town read right now.

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Meh. Rub your own goddamn shoulders. And syr, since when do you care if Tip dies?

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I had to log out of a REALLY IMPORTANT HYDRA so I could come talk to you. Sup?

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Potential TIP partners (odds) include Saki (high), Nats (medium) DTwhatever (low) and Lady (low)

Andy super unlikely but technically possible.

Strong town reads in Purpkin and Jabber.

Here. The top part is predicated on scum-TIP which I'm thinking isn't based on his rageposts at Mara.

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O cool

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5186146

I love the ISO button

Lol that was my post not hers

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Talk to me about Nastyrasha

I want to think Natirasha is town because I liked the relaxed but engaged vibe early in the thread. But...fishing. After the dayvig he was really collected, like he was almost talking to himself though he answered questions, which could be avoiding associations, maybe.

pedit LET ME POST

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Also did you know that Natirasha's sig is pretty cool next to yours? You guys should do some serial posting Tomorrow.

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If he's not vigged.

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OOH OOH THIS ONE IS BETTER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d1_5J8UboI

<3

Talk to me about Nastyrasha

I want to think Natirasha is town because I liked the relaxed but engaged vibe early in the thread. But...fishing. After the dayvig he was really collected, like he was almost talking to himself though he answered questions, which could be avoiding associations, maybe.

pedit LET ME POST

I think the avoiding associations bit is a stretch. TIP is a hell of a lot guilter of fishing than Nasty (moot point now but w/e) and Nasty came off more like "gaiz i dunno wot this does anyone else halp". I've got this gut feeling he's town.

Pedit: Stabbing TIP with it's my price. Then you have a chainsaw knife.

Yeah I kinda wonder how tainted my read is by other stuff being said because I did love the vibe of the early posts.

pedit awwww

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So Syr are you thinking Natirasha town?

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Pedit: Yes, I am thinking Nasty is town

K.

Hm. I have a pretty solid town read on bork. Not sure I agree about Purpkin.

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Looks like town mara to me, syr. So on a scale of varsoon to nero, how hard are you gonna troll saki now?

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How?

I read it as "there's other scum to look at, not just us"

I read it as sarcasm. The only slips I've caught her in other games were quite small.

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And actually I think it was just one game where there was an actual slip.

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Mmmmhm syr, that it does, bro. That it does.

P-edit ARCEUSDAMMITFFERYLETMEPOST

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Haven't meta'd her yet. Thought I might have you now

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DAMN IT THOUGHT I MIGHT HAVE YOU KNOW A DAY OR TWO TO META PEOPLE.

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Have no idea why the first post happened. Have you played with DTMaster?

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get back in your hydra.

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You're making me wish Nacho was here

Harsh

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Saki, at least give us something

mah vote on TIP.

You have any reads?

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You think the numbers would work the same way in this game?

The game designer in me thinks that would be boring.

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The other head has decent meta on LLD, but that'll have to wait.

Share?

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Nat also needs to die: 177 is a clear distance from the TIP lynch. With a town flip - he is distance man and supportive on the lynch. Scum trait. Qualifies for scum dat is off said wagon. Will read for scum on said wagon after I (sober) get some rest.

Saki's death must quench me. Pretend I'm Edgeworth and I used LOGIC AND REASONS (or Chess: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-a60ITJ2Ko)

The sort of self-absorbed reaction by Natirasha to your dayvig gambit also caught my attention. I commented on it in twilight talking to Syr. I'm leaning town. My town-Natirasha model is still pretty bare-bones, but I'm going with it. Intricate game designs are shiny things to him, so it makes sense to me that he'd put most of his focus on that aspect of the game.

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I want you two buddying the fuck up to us today because we got killed last night and we are gonna die during the end of the day. But I seem to have this extremely nasty habit of dying N1 when you're scum and I am just a teensy tiny bit paranoid you killed me . Luckily, we have this beyond the grave ability that we're gonna use to protect you if you dance with us but otherwise we're protecting morph the cat and I really don't want to give them my beautiful protection unless they really, REALLY deserve it.

:/

You know what role I didn't draw, then.

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I want you two buddying the fuck up to us today because we got killed last night and we are gonna die during the end of the day. But I seem to have this extremely nasty habit of dying N1 when you're scum and I am just a teensy tiny bit paranoid you killed me . Luckily, we have this beyond the grave ability that we're gonna use to protect you if you dance with us but otherwise we're protecting morph the cat and I really don't want to give them my beautiful protection unless they really, REALLY deserve it.

:/

You know what role I didn't draw, then.

Fery, I love you. You fill the hole in my heart left by Tierce-scum. I'm bleeding, and you're my bandaid. Thank you.

You need a bit more than a band-aid.

I guess I better finally break down and meta scum-Tierce.

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I want you two buddying the fuck up to us today because we got killed last night and we are gonna die during the end of the day. But I seem to have this extremely nasty habit of dying N1 when you're scum and I am just a teensy tiny bit paranoid you killed me . Luckily, we have this beyond the grave ability that we're gonna use to protect you if you dance with us but otherwise we're protecting morph the cat and I really don't want to give them my beautiful protection unless they really, REALLY deserve it.

At the time of this post, I was seriously excited to draw the N1 kill with this baller role, excited that maybe finally I would be town with tierce for a change. But Tierce has been with me in Stack the Deck where I ended up dying as the N1 kill and she went on as scum, so she should know that maybe I will be a tiny bit paranoid. And yes, I do draw N1 kills, but it is a tiny bit strange that I drew the N1 kill when I was not around (Syr made it into thread AFTER the lynch) when power players such as Tierce were around and doing things and apparently obvtown. So this is essentially Syr and I establishing ourselves as confirmed town who are reaching out to Tierce/Empire with the promise of protecting them with our dying breath so that we can lynch all of the scum together, which is sort of how I imagined this game.

Tierce's reaction is something that's more along the lines of "wait you guys were poisoned?? why didn't you say this before?" and senseless paranoia instead of "oh, you guys are confirmed town let's lynch scum together". She asks us "what's so urgent about reading us?" which doesn't make any semblance of sense in either Syr's or my mind or the fact that she still isn't working with us after we essentially established ourselves as confirmed town by declaring that we will die by the end of the next day which is a extremely verifiable fact, and that makes us uncomfortable. It's not a gambit. We want to work with you, but I still have my concerns about you because you are becoming a more capable scum player and I don't know how fast you're making improvements and where, so when things ping for me, like when your reaction to us being nightkilled during the night but being alive today being "sucks for you" when it should be "that's awesome let's wreck this game together" is something that needs to be pursued.

Does paranoia explain the reaction?

I wouldn't put it past Syr in terms of day 2 gambiting, but it's not something I associate with Nacho, town or scum.

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I want a puppy for reals.

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Tierce help me with LLD. I kinda want her to be town.

I bristled a little at Prohawk's 2nd post but I hear he scumreads cabd a lot, so

Not feeling a lot of Saki love atm. And I thought Sakura would have more to say once she showed up.

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Oh and dameon. Never played with him before. Will need to meta but I didn't like him much on day 1.

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I'm not signing my fucking posts.

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There are two things that Cabd most prides himself in the game of mafia: his scumgame, and his metadiving powers.

I object, I pride myself on my snark as well.

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Wow, nice short day. Unfortunate that my random vote ended up getting lynched, but you are all chatter boxes.

Looking back at D1, TIP was an absurdly easy lynch due to changing meta and I am particularly concerned with the nonchalant push by Morph the Cat. Particularly this post:

Hi

Mara here

and I agree with TIP scum

Okay guys, no more hesitation. Run the fucker up.

Which takes zero consideration of TIP being a dynamic person in addition to using another players (Purpkin) read to strengthen a lynching position and posture. Morph's initial push was quite lack-luster as well.

VOTE: Morph the Cat

I also feel The Oil Guys' twilight posting to be disingenuous, I wouldn't mind starting there today either, but that could just be my lack of experience with them.

Also, because I am not familiar with everyone in the game it would make it a lot easier if you would refer to the slot by their name instead of the heads that make up the hydra. Just a pet-peeve of mine considering the hydra was made to play as a unit and not as separate people... but I am sure this request will be shunned and I will have to do additional work to check back with who is who when people use names not in the player list.

I was wondering how long it would take for your obligitory "scumread cabd" post. You are however skipping over several posts prior to that where if you note I voted and expressed being pretty damn certain. My only one hesitaiton would have been if mara had disagreed, because between her and I we have a (well, at the time, not anymore) perfect history of reading pope. She only re-affirmed my feelings, and I expressed that my last hesitations were gone.


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Thankfully the hydras are pretty simple to remember:
Morph the Cat: ffery and cabd
Oil Tycoons: Nachomama and Syr
Jabberwocky: Empire and Tierce
Purpkin: Marangal and Borkie

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Town

Oil Tycoons - basically conftown due to claim of eminent demise, bolstered by Nacho read. Syr usually pressures ffery more early on, though.

Leaning Town (more or less in order of read strength)

Purpkin - borktown as far as ffery is concerned. Cabd concurs re Mara. We cross-agree on them.

DTMaster - dayvig gambit (due to target mostly) was a good start in the town direction. Saki push looked town-motivated as did the back-off when OT claimed.

Natirasha - was leaning town anyway, but the confirmation of "don't know how it works" roles from OT bumps it up considerably.

Jaberwocky - leaning town with some reservations over interactions with us and Nacho. (Cabd reservations mostly, ffery is doing that thing about liking people who are suspicious of her)

Null

Andrius - Derphammer. Under observation. Maybe not giving his scum game enough credit

LLD - Cabd is bothered a little, not sure why. ffery is mostly convinced by Empire meta report. Meta dive to come.

Prohawk - ffery didn't like first post. Wasn't provocative/designed to move things out of RVS. Cabd thinks the early suspicion is typical of Prohawk when they play together and is not alignment indicative.

Saki - Not playing as much the risk-taker as ffery's town-Saki model would predict

Leaning Scum

Sakura Hana - level of involvement now that she's checked in is problematic

Daemon385 - pingy posts. Meta dive scheduled

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I call fake. What did you think about Purpkin's first post? Someone whom you obviously trusted enough to dispel all doubts about a lynch. What did you think about Lady Lambda's first post?

Aren't you opposed to RVS? I had that impression, which is why your "silky" post to TiP caught my attention.

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Morph, why aren't you voting yet?

Because I am not ready to vote.

It looks like the rest of your questions are directed to Cabd so I'll let him answer them.

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I call fake. What did you think about Purpkin's first post? Someone whom you obviously trusted enough to dispel all doubts about a lynch.

Let's get something straight, hawkie. The three way history between myself, TIP, and mara is such that if both mara and I scumread TIP, he's almost certainly scum. Even if one of us is also scum, we really can't fake the read, and so we'd bus. So even if mara was scum (which that slot is so obvtown it' crazy) I'd still trust her TIP read as genuine.

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Meta is weak IMO. It takes a lot of info to make a strong meta-case.

Who said I was opposed to RVS?

Nobody said it. It's an impression I picked up in a recent game. I'll add this to my research list.

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But really, why not answer the question of why you thought Purp was obv-town instead of go into a rant on why Purp being scum or town would force you to read the same regardless?

It was initially my read of bork, which solidified after a few posts that I thought were showing that he was probing for clarification, thinking about the game state and solidifying his own read of TiP.

38, 43, 46, 54 with TIP

It was right about that point in the thread where I had a good early read.

And then he started interacting with LLD: 78, 86, which I also liked.

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GRANPA'S STILL ALIVE

You still around?

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GRANPA'S STILL ALIVE

You still around?

FERY

I KNOW YOU'RE THERE

GET IN HERE

I CAN'T BE TWO PLACES AT ONCE.

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It is awkward to come in after reading D1 without getting to post just because day ended early, and expect me to have reads right off the bat without interacting with people.

You haven't really been pushing much for interactions.

p-edit let me post

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Syr, not sure it's such a great idea speculating how somebody should have phrased their post.

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Although we both wonder how well cabd can read prohawk and we'd be appreciative if you could clear that up for us.

I can't read prohawk for shit until a few days have gone by usually. Also, our hydra game was a scumgame, so my reads there were all faked. (And well faked if I do say so myself) The "Cabd: Arceus of Meta" thing is something I developed here and is very different from my approach to the game on our shared home site (Sixprizes)

He does have a history of reading me incorrectly, however, so the lack of being able to read the other thing is mutual.

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6) morph the cat (Cabd + fferyllt)
town. but ive heard town ffery shoots town lazers from her eyes
i'd like to see that

Do you know what the town lasers are in reference to?

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~Vote Count VIII: Marth

YES THIS IS ME
<3 VI

Oh, so you're the guy marth. Lame.

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Here's the post. There are links to two of my posts in the first line. It's about a meta dive I did in a game a couple of months ago.

Not all that impressive as far as in-thread laser-eyes go, but it was one of the best meta-troves I've found playing at MS.

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Convinced of..?

I'm leaning town in part based on Empire's meta report of LLD pending some meta review with Cabd.

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I think that post is pretty town though...

How so?

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Convinced of..?

I'm leaning town in part based on Empire's meta report of LLD pending some meta review with Cabd.

I feel like, he left his heart out on his sleeve and is putting all his thoughts out as the come to him. The phrasing is kinda awkward I think, and he is majorly fence-sitting, but that heart-on-the-sleeve playstyle is not only hard to do as scum, but it is scary as fuck and, given that he has yet to play scum I don't think he would be able to do that kind of thing yet, least not comfortably.

I feel like we've crossed wires here.

I thought you were asking about the differences between my read and Cabd's read of LLD. But your reply sounds like it's maybe about daemon. It doesn't make sense to me if you are talking about LLD.

Re daemon, Cabd hasn't been around much today, so I've gone ahead and meta'd daemon's other MS games on my own and passed my thoughts over to Cabd. Once he's had a look I'll post what I learned.

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Daemon meta

vanilla town, lynched day 3: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ser_select

posts are short, to the point, and more questions/conversational mode. So far in this game, the posts have been much more dense, which could have something to do with catch-up mode. However there was a hiatus int the above game and the posts didn't get significantly longer.

[url-http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5133197]312[/url] stands out because it shows that he asks scummy looking "why me" questions as town. Post 342 evidently was the nail in the coffin for his mislynch in that game. That post and later ones feature AtE.


vanilla town, lynched day 1 (replaced out) - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ser_select

more short to the point questions and conversational mode. Replaced out before time for walls?


vanilla town, lynched day 4 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ser_select

post 156 I'm seeing similar phraseology to this game. post 250 is good scumhunting. The game starts with shorter posts, but flows into longer and more detailed posts (263 and 447 are good examples). Good effort to keep scumhunting under pressure in the later part of this game. Saw that in the other games as well.

In this game so far, we're seeing less tendency toward conversational mode. But, without a scum game for comparison this may not be meaningful. He's completed just a few games, and his style may also be changing due to adjustments to MS style play.

Re the tone, I agree there are comments that strike a genuine note. Cabd's a little less persuaded by tone arguments. He also pays attention to some different stuff when doing meta dives than I do. This game is probably too early for some of the things he looks for to be relevant yet.

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Ugh, it's 3:30 AM here and I'm about to fall asleep. I was only able to get through his two recently completed town games.

I guess this is just for morph the cat since they're the only ones who seem to care about this stuff -- the games I'm looking at are: Xenoblade Mafia, League of Legends Mafia, Strategy Mafia, and Stars Aligned III (note: his two completed scum games are very old so proceed with caution here).

Tomorrow's my mom's birthday so I won't be able to post much if at all. Tierce should be back from having a life today so you'll be hearing more from her, and afterwards, my activity should be back at normal levels until the weekend.

We both played with him in Xenoblade. I'll review that one quickly and go through the others tonight if I have time. Otherwise tomorrow sometime. Should be ready to compare notes tomorrow night.

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Lynch This Please ^

I asked Cabd if he'd like me to acknowledge your question to him last night. He said no need because you knew he was busy.

Purpkin, I agree that Sakura's read on Saki is pretty bogus, but I am concerned about The Cat Hydra.

Do you read them as town? If you do could you help me understand why?

Can we table that slot for now and focus on the two S wagons?

~

Saki votes look like they're voting a anti-town player not a scum player; Sakura is more open to argument but I mostly feel the same way about it.

They are both kinda easy to lynch, which concerns me a little.

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Ok...

I asked Cabd if he'd like me to acknowledge your question to him last night. He said no need because you knew he was busy.

This is not a me vs Cabd thing. This is a me and Morph the Cat thing. Do you disagree with what your hydra posted?

His thoughts about scum-TiP partners? At the time, I thought Natirasha's early play looked engaged and Nati-town. I downgraded my read in part because of Cabd's thoughts on players' pre-hammer interactions with TiP and in part because of the more introspective focus after the dayvig gambit. With TiP's flip and OT's later comments about their role, I went back to leaning town on the Natirasha slot.

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Wait wait wait, that didn't even answer my question. Did you feel like they were scum-partners with TIP?

That kind of association analysis isn't something I can usually do on the fly. My strengths, such as they are, are more reads based. I didn't disagree but I really didn't have an opinion at that point about who TiPs partners could be.

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Wait wait wait, that didn't even answer my question. Did you feel like they were scum-partners with TIP?

Oh come on hawkie you're not THIS obtuse.

Potential TIP partners

(odds) include Saki (high), Nats (medium) DTwhatever (low) and Lady (low)

Andy super unlikely but technically possible.

Strong town reads in Purpkin and Jabber.

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Here's the long awaited Andrius meta post. I tried condensing it this time to make it a bit more readable. Morph, feel free to comment/add on to this. I'm writing/editing this at 4:30 AM so if any of this doesn't make sense, let me know.

Ok so one of the things I wanted to look at is how Andrius interacts with his friends in other games because part of the reason he's pinged my radar here is the feeling that he's buddying his friends to an exaggerated degree -- I could see him buddying as town, but it feels like it comes on a bit too strong and forced for me. In his other games, he did buddy his friends but it felt like he was overall much more serious with them and in one instance he was willing to chide his friends for being lazy/playing poorly (League of Legends Mafia, #779). Interactions with Nacho in Xenoblade were noteworthy in that he's not afraid to speak up when he disagrees with one of his reads even if he does end up putting Nacho's judgment above his own most of the time (see: the way he conducted himself towards the Aj the Epic wagon).

Another thing I wanted to check out is whether he has a habit of maintaining static reads as town and the impression I get from both of his town games is that he doesn't; in fact his reads tend to fluctuate quite a bit. In LoL, he spends a decent portion of the early game suspecting IPie for being useless but ends up reversing his position later on down the road. I remember the Varsoon read in Xenoblade fluctuating a lot, going from suspecting him early on for complaining-without-scumhunting to townreading him to being a main driver of the wagon on the day Varsoon got lynched.

As far as his scum games go, I don't know if this is Large Theme syndrome or what, but he tends to post a lot less and there's a way lower signal:noise ratio. Aside from that, I'm not really seeing any huge differences? I thought him insisting that he not be ignored in his interactions with LLD and Nacho was kinda town but I saw him doing something similar in SAIII after crumbing something that had to do with the mechanics of the game that I frankly don't care enough to go and check out.

I'm gonna go sleep on this and then reread this post and see how he lines up in this game to draw some conclusions from all this.

(Also, minor thing but I wanted to see if he reacts to cases as town by trying to guess at the reasons before the cases are put forth and he does! -- compare #647 (bottom) in this game with Xenoblade Mafia, #2232)

P-edit: Hi Nacho. I'll take a look at the mbf thing again when I wake up since I'm going to bed right now.

You looked for some things that I didn't think about when I read the games. I was mostly looking for tonal differences and style differences based on alignment. One of the first things I noticed in the earlier games was the way he used insults (but not so much in Xeno - maybe being more aware of the context changes how I read his posts). In the town games he used insults to sort of prod people into moving toward more pro-town behaviors. In his scum games it looked more like insults were meant to just piss someone off.

At first I thought I was onto something regarding his shorter posts and his alignment, but the quantity of relatively short posts were often due to working with/through game mechanics in the earlier games.

Nacho, what are your thoughts?

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...Why would you have to reread it if you were in the game with me? D:

Because I was only in the game for one (really long and dreadful) day.

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Confirming bork purpkin's post about our neighborhood.

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Saki was due to posts 63 and 73, Nats was for the apparent distancing between the two. Dtwhatever for light buddying (and the weird as fuck 136), lady for their interactions specifically around posts 84, 97, and 106. Lady was really laying on the extra drama and flair to the questioning, and it felt a bit over the top.

I feel like the reasons are fairly evident if one goes back and looks at day one.

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In the town games he used insults to sort of prod people into moving toward more pro-town behaviors. In his scum games it looked more like insults were meant to just piss someone off.

This is surprisingly deep and accurate.

I didn't find your posts in Xeno particularly insulting which makes me think that context changes things a lot wrt your posts. If I had time to read all those games beginning to end instead of flipping here and there from iso to contextual perspective, I'd probably come away with a different opinion about some of the interactions.

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In the town games he used insults to sort of prod people into moving toward more pro-town behaviors. In his scum games it looked more like insults were meant to just piss someone off.

This is surprisingly deep and accurate.

I didn't find your posts in Xeno particularly insulting which makes me think that context changes things a lot wrt your posts. If I had time to read all those games beginning to end instead of flipping here and there from iso to contextual perspective, I'd probably come away with a different opinion about some of the interactions.

Go read his interactions with the letters/waynegg hydra, posting this here in case anyone not named ffery cares enough to go read it. A biiiiit more patronizing there.

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Like I said. Context. :/

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So, kitty babies, I see all these meta and things and a severe lack of conclusion drawing. Ya got all this shit on le Andrius, straight answer now. Town or scum?

I want Nacho's thoughts because he has a ton of experiential meta with Andrius compared to me.

I *think* I would recognize scum Andrius. I'd go with town based on the model I've got.

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So, kitty babies, I see all these meta and things and a severe lack of conclusion drawing. Ya got all this shit on le Andrius, straight answer now. Town or scum?

I want Nacho's thoughts because he has a ton of experiential meta with Andrius compared to me.

I *think* I would recognize scum Andrius. I'd go with town based on the model I've got.

And the male half of the kitty agrees but minus the nacho need.

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I *think* I would recognize scum Andrius. I'd go with town based on the model I've got.

I'm in pretty much agreement with ya. You've talked to Nacho more recently than I, so I'm no help there.

Ignoring the "S-people clusterfuck" who do be you thinking scum?

I'm not liking Prohawk.

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Willing to full-claim and self-hammer since battery power.

Not liking mtc anymore

Nah im probably the one that should die today, I can't find scummy behavior on any player and that means that either 1. I sux at reading people or 2. I'm scum. Regardless of which one it is I wouldn't be any help at all for the rest of the game.

deathwishes are bad. Stop.

/irony

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Reads updated

Town

Oil Tycoons - basically conftown due to claim of eminent demise, bolstered by Nacho read. Syr usually pressures ffery more early on, though.

Leaning Town

Purpkin - borktown as far as ffery is concerned. Cabd concurs re Mara. We cross-agree on them. Also neighborhood.

DTMaster - dayvig gambit (due to target mostly) was a good start in the town direction. Saki push looked town-motivated as did the back-off when OT claimed.

DDD (rep nats) - was leaning town anyway, but the confirmation of "don't know how it works" roles from OT bumps it up considerably. Also play since replacing in has looked pretty town-motivated.

Jaberwocky - leaning town with a few reservations over interactions with us and Nacho. (Cabd reservations mostly gone now due to Red Wedding Meta, ffery is doing that thing about liking people who are suspicious of her). Feel like they are holding back on reads, though.

Null

Andrius - Derphammer. Under observation. Maybe not giving his scum game enough credit. Leans town after the metadives by Jabbers and ffery.

LLD - Cabd is bothered a little, not sure why. ffery is mostly convinced by Empire meta report. Meta dive still pending. Rather checked out today which is odd. School's out so expecting more.

Saki - Not playing as much the risk-taker as ffery's town-Saki model would predict. Recent posts have moved him up a little.

Daemon385 - pingy posts, but up to null due to metadives and the occasional very genuine note in his posts.

Scum

Sakura Hana - level of involvement now that she's checked in is problematic, LACK OF READS. Fatalistic stuff is alignment neutral in ffery's experience.

Prohawk - ffery thinks he's trying divide and conquer on our slot and that he's targeting her as the relatively weaker partner of the hydra right now.
Cabd thinks this is scumhawk because of the level of tunneling and the refusal to look elsewhere.

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VOTE: Prohawk

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heh

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I don't think this is anti-town to say at this point:

we have a neighborize too

...that we haven't used yet

Well since bork already explained....

Our bond was formed without a choice of target, nor were we aware who it would target. We were just told it would neighborize us to our mother. I did it as a blind leap, and ffery agreed in the end, to see what we would get. We were very happy to see borkie and mara on the other side.

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Okay seriously Sakura is like Townier than Nachyana, that post was ridiculously Town. Never ever

ever

lynch that slot. But--my brain.

This.

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Also now that i outed my ability should i claim my character or should I keep that hidden (not very used to Upicks), tho i think the fact that i can only target females is quite a give away.

On another note, why Saki?

Shush. Not everyone here knows flavor, you're saying too much already.

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saki is being unhelpful, might well be scum, and i have no clue if they actually are or not.

This is one of those times I feel meta might be my only weapon and I've not bothered to look yet. The aggression is a teeny tiny towntell I guess?

Mara very much thinks this slot is town and she should be back soon.

Achievement unlocked: First borkslip

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Empire here, rushed for time.

Tho I dont have many leads I do have to question you Jabberwock, I thought Saki could be scum, but this post:

That's a pretty strong overreaction. Is there a reason you're ignoring me this game, or...?

I yelled at her in another game for it. If that's context enough.

He could've used the overreaction to pin it on me, yet he decided to explain my post instead of letting me defend against it, what's the possible scum motivation behind that?

That'd be fine except he was and is still keeping his vote on you. His actions do not line up with what he is saying.

bork, this game might be helpful. I just started going through Saki's meta and while I don't have time to explain stuff, you need to read this and I think you can immediately see the huge difference between his play there and his play here.

Also reading.

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If we could hold off voting anymore until either battery makes it absolutely required or nacho-syr have their chance to get in here and post, that'd be great.

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Blood pact?

Vote: Sakura Hana

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UFFERING! ANGUISH! RISE AND FEED!

You thought you were rid of us, didn't you? DIDN'T YOU, SCUMFUCKS?
We told you before, and we'll tell you again: WE SAY WHEN IT ENDS!

The depths of hell cannot hold us, you feckless bastards! E'en from the grave, we rise to do battle with you. We have anointed morph the cat our earthly representative and as our chosen they are our voice and imbued with our power.

TIERCE! EMPIRE! JOIN WITH US IN OUR UNENDING CRUSADE AGAINST THE DARKNESS!

We interrupt your scheduled program to inform you of this breaking news: Saki still isn't scum. I don't really care how smug you're feeling about Sakura; she (being so diplomatic sears my soul, fuck newscasting) selfhammered before we could do any introspection on that read (or more accurately before I could yell at Nacho for turning the wagon off Prohawk). Don't make the same mistake with Saki. More from Nachomamma8 on the subject at 12th-of-never o'clock.

And now back to our regularly scheduled program!

PURPKIN! JOIN WITH US IN OUR... I said that already. Uhm... just be cool, man. And sheep morph n' stuff.

JABBERWOCK! PURPKIN! ANDRIUS! JOIN TOGETHER WITH OUR EARTHLY REPRESENTATIVE TO PURGE THE FOULNESS THAT IS PROHAWK, DAEMON385 AND ONE OF LLD OR DTMASTER!

As for Saki, just proxy your vote to morph and post no more than once every two days for the rest of the game. TIA.

FOR VICTORY! FOR JUSTICE! FOR GLORY! WE RIDE!



VOTE: Prohawk

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So yeah this is what oil tycoons was hinting at.

We're able to talk with them today, kinda like the rift-sixty QT in paradox prime, but ours comes with a bonus! They can still cast their vote through us. This means that morph technically controls two votes, our own, and the one that nacho and syr direct us to use, for this day phase only.

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Also super awesome not-so-ninja second vote...
VOTE: Prohawk

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ask Nacho/Syry for their reasons on Daemon. I still think that dude is town

Done. Will post their answer when we have it.

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ask Nacho/Syry for their reasons on Daemon. I still think that dude is town

They are of two minds on Daemon. Syr thinks he's been fencesitty as shit and hasn't taken a stance on anything all game except sheeping Jabber's SakiMeta.

Nacho has a slight lean-town on him. Or did as of the last mention of Daemon on our QT.

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So first up, anyone who is confused about it, we're still the only ones posting here. It's not like we gave oil tycoons our login info. They have a QT with us, and can relay messages through us. If you're still confused, go look up Paradox Prime (mini theme) for the Subwoofers, same thing.

Other head reporting in.

Haven't had the chance to talk to Tierce yet but uh...Dead Tycoons, why in the fuck are you reading Saki as town? The dude claimed to have been playing intentionally uselessly to mask his PR. Now that he's claimed, he's done exactly 0 scumhunting in this game still despite the fact that he has nothing to hide at this point.

So why?

Nacho's messages/requests:
Empire, please read LLD today, he needs that somewhat soon so he can draft his plans.
Nacho also wants to convey to you and tierce that he chose us becuase you were obvtown enough already, and that we are a 100% townread of his.

Prohawk, Lynching you today is not Nacho's only goal today, just merely the most fun one for him. The words "a fiery death" and "I want him to be horrified to draw bullshit scum ever agfain" factored quite heavily into the conversation. Futhermore, he points out your sakura hana vote was oppertunistic as fuck.

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I've left syr's string of explitives out for good measure, for the record. Also saki, you jerk, you know ffery and I perfectly well too.

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Yeah saki that vote is pretty useless.

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You killed off the only two players I knew in the game

The fuck is this, though?

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I've left syr's string of explitives out for good measure, for the record. Also saki, you jerk, you know ffery and I perfectly well too.

Fine. I guess I do.
Won't move my vote on scumcritter.

Why is critter scum? Serious question.

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nachomollie

What?

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OT posted a bit more in our QT.

Nacho paraphrase attack go:

Nevermind, LLD town, no longer need empire for that.

Saki is scum after today's interactions, prohawk is still scum.

Syr:

Moprh is 100% town, purpkin is 100% town, Jabber is 99% town, Andy is 99% town. LLD is appx 80%town per nacho.
So that leaves three scumfucks somewhere in these four:
{DTM, Saki, Prohawk, Daemon}
And the one townie is somwhere in {DTM, Saki} because of the interactions between the two are very unlikely to be SvS.

Syr's preferred three man team right now is {Prohawk/Saki/Daemon} lynching in that order.

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Hold on:I did a re-skim on Prohawk and something is off on this push. Mainly consistency of arguments. I'm at work so I will do a more detailed post later. BUT MY GUT IS SAYING THIS IS REALLY OFF.

Unvote

.

Vote Andi

Looking forward to seeing your detailed post when you get a chance.

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There is no freaking way Morph is town.

Prohawk - ffery thinks he's trying divide and conquer on our slot and that he's targeting her as the relatively weaker partner of the hydra right now.
Cabd thinks this is scumhawk because of the level of tunneling and the refusal to look elsewhere.

This is the reason they gave of why I am scum.

When I ask Cabd to do the following...

How do you all find this town? Mr Meta. Go show me where I tunnel as scum. kthx.

We get... can you hear the crickets? Wanna know why? Cause he has seen me tunnel as town. Level of tunneling is not indicative of me being scum and is literally the dumbest excuse I have heard. When I have a reasonable amount of evidence/information and am confident I have found scum I will tunnel them until they eat rope, it is what I do.

Also, I haven't targeted ffery, not once. Nor have I even thought or made any mention that she is the weaker of the two players.

Nacho/Syr, you two better freaking pay attention to the game and posts I had made to you before the day ended. If you lose the game for us from the grave... dumb.

VOTE: MorphTheCat

Cabd pointed me at this offsite thread: http://www.sixprizes.com/forums/threads ... -win.9494/

He said he expects you to pick and choose posts that minimize the appearance of tunneling. I hope Empire at least will have a look at most or all of your posts.

The site doesn't have something comparable to ISO that I can find, but you can search a thread by user name Click search in the upper right corner of the thread page and enter Prohawk as the user name. I'd post a link to search results, but it's a dynamic link and I don't think it will work for others.

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Also, OT has observed that our QT is more active than this thread has been so far Day 2. :/

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fferyllt.

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fferyllt.

Cabd posted it though. After I wrote it I wasn't sure it made sense, so I stuck it in drafts. He loaded it back into the thread and posted it for me.

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fferyllt.

Cabd posted it though. After I wrote it I wasn't sure it made sense, so I stuck it in drafts. He loaded it back into the thread and posted it for me.

Why did you feel the need to clarify this?

Because I remembered it. It's a minor thing but I didn't press the submit button on that post.

There is something we have a problem with. fferyllt has been a non-entity in this game. Tierce told Empire that fferyllt takes a while to get going, but at this point, there is really no excuse for us to be seeing so little input coming from her. There is so much more content in Mini 1469

as a Serial Killer

who needs to look for Mafia and plays like Town to a degree. Here, it feels like you're hiding behind Cabd. Come out, kitty cat. Come play with the Town players and stop looking like scum before I have a heart attack.

I think I've made a significant proportion of our posts so far in this game. Today has been inactive overall, though. Syr's right. Our QT has been at least as active as the thread itself.

Then I had some paranoia that you had been in contact with Nacho and Syr Yesterday and hadn't told us, but that didn't make sense given that they were still posting and didn't bring that up. So that bit's settled. But the above? Very much bothersome.

No, Vi sent us the link to the QT at about the same time Day 3 started.

One thing I've asked about on the QT that I'll ask here too: Syr thinks that one of DTM and Saki are scum but that they aren't likely to be scum together. There's a level of abstraction to DTM's play that makes him a little difficult for me to read. If you or Tierce have game experience with him,, I'd like to know what you think about his day 1 and day 2 play.

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You local friendly dead guy made of cheese urges me to remind you that sakura hana's selfhammer is enough defeatest behavior to fill this game's quota.

Also he's wondering what the hell you're doing so much focus on sorting us out.

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There is something we have a problem with. fferyllt has been a non-entity in this game. Tierce told Empire that fferyllt takes a while to get going, but at this point, there is really no excuse for us to be seeing so little input coming from her. There is so much more content in Mini 1469

as a Serial Killer

who needs to look for Mafia and plays like Town to a degree. Here, it feels like you're hiding behind Cabd. Come out, kitty cat. Come play with the Town players and stop looking like scum before I have a heart attack.

I think I've made a significant proportion of our posts so far in this game. Today has been inactive overall, though. Syr's right. Our QT has been at least as active as the thread itself.

It's not just Today, it just feels that you're not kicking in yet. With Townreads on us and on Purpkin, with Nacho and Syryana talking with you and Cabd at your back, that seems off. What's holding you back from providing more game analysis?

One thing I've asked about on the QT that I'll ask here too: Syr thinks that one of DTM and Saki are scum but that they aren't likely to be scum together. There's a level of abstraction to DTM's play that makes him a little difficult for me to read. If you or Tierce have game experience with him, I'd like to know what you think about his day 1 and day 2 play.

They aren't scum together, we're agreed on that. Tierce thinks DTMaster's D2 play is very Town; coming in with a guilty on someone is something that locks you into a claim early (and roleblocker is a hell of a claim to be bound to if you're a scum roleblocker) and is a very, very Town move, because it's that Town attitude of

I got you, bastard scum

. Tierce has been there. It's an all guns blazing Town jump into the fray. And scum who knew that their Oil Tycoons kill had failed would not use

Saki

as a scapegoat, it would be ridiculous.

And Tierce will stop talking in third person for a while.

Oh, for more Saki-scum. Remember Saki's edging reaction to DTMaster's claim that he had a guilty on him?

Vote Saki

. Because I have reasons and they support Saki-scum. I.e. I did shenanigans last night and Saki is top suspect unless otherwise stated.

Nat also needs to die: 177 is a clear distance from the TIP lynch. With a town flip - he is distance man and supportive on the lynch. Scum trait. Qualifies for scum dat is off said wagon. Will read for scum on said wagon after I (sober) get some rest.

Saki's death must quench me. Pretend I'm Edgeworth and I used LOGIC AND REASONS (or Chess: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-a60ITJ2Ko)

I.e. I did shenanigans last night and Saki is top suspect unless otherwise stated.

Huh?
Why feel the need to keep it secret?

@Saki
No hidden agendas. Thought I was clear. I have a role interaction that implicates you because there was no NK. That should be easy. There are other explanations that can explain these conditions which would suggest other things - but I doubt they would claim.

Thought this was elementary school bus level logic. My disapproved Edgeworth face should be here.

@Saki
No hidden agendas. Thought I was clear. I have a role interaction that implicates you because there was no NK. That should be easy. There are other explanations that can explain these conditions which would suggest other things - but I doubt they would claim.

Thought this was elementary school bus level logic. My disapproved Edgeworth face should be here.

No roleclaim. Faking a guilty. Why?
Because scum that's why.

And also there

was

a nightkill, just delayed. What impact does that have on your investigation? Is it still pointing guilty at me?

No hidden agendas.

You hid your entire damn role from me and fake a guilty and you say there's no hidden agenda?

And also there was a nightkill, just delayed. What impact does that have on your investigation? Is it still pointing guilty at me?

he didn't know that, he probably roleblocked you, he's holy shit town as fuck.

I don't see town motivation behind a partial claim.
Even if he is wrong about the guilty I still think he's scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Saki

I'm Anna. Both my abilities say something along the lines of "this might do something or it might not."

Let's end the day.


I'm not following too closely but whoever is rolefishing is doing it well.
And Mafia Neighborizer seems highly likely.

So Saki has an ability that he doesn't know the details of, but when someone accuses him of anything his reaction is "you're lying I didn't do anything of the sort you are scum you have nothing on me and whyyyy aren't you fullclaiming shit shit shit are you a cop with a guilty on me what can I claim in this situation ah fuuuuuck". Even when, logically, DTMaster had no way of knowing that he had

not

blocked the Night kill.

This is grade A bullshit and I'm preaching to the choir because at this point I don't think there's anyone worth acknowledging that wouldn't see Saki lynched with gusto and Town fire, so etc.


ProHawk: because your question is boring and we've already explained why it doesn't make sense that morph the cat would hide behind Nachoyana for a mislynch, Cabd's perfectly capable of doing it on his own without needing someone's confTown banner. Furthermore, the "oh look they only used "their" vote after Nacho and Syr" bit is bullshit. It's bad and you should feel bad. If you're not getting lynched Today, Saki is, so what's your read on him?

I think this makes sense. Thinking about the DMT side of this equation, I want to move him out of the frame for now.

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I want to kill Jabberwock today, discuss.

Why?

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Re OT's vote, I suppose we could put their vote someplace besides where nachosyr want it, but we're not going to. If we wind up disagreeing with them, we'll leave/put the 2nd vote where they say.

Haven't asked Cabd if he agrees. He's not around atm. But, I don't think he'd disagree.

Our neighborhood with OT ends at the end of this game day. I'm pretty sure that was in the Syr-text that Cabd posted earlier.

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I want to kill Jabberwock today, discuss.

Why?

Shushshushshushshush.

You're supposed to tell me your thoughts on it, not the other way around~.

I mean, my MAIN reason is that Wondercritter stew sounds absolutely divine.

Or maybe Roast Wondercritter.

I don't know, so many ways to eat a Wondercritter.

Do you think Saki is town and jabberwock is pushing a mislynch?

I'll come back to this later tonight or tomorrow. Lateral thought and migraine meds don't seem to be able to occupy the same brain.

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More bluntly, being wrong doesn't make you scum.

I was gonna say.

So there's something else. Will think on it later.

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110 posts, during which LLD tore apart Jabberwock's case for Sakura-town.

In games where Nacho and I both play, much of my day 1 (and sometimes beyond) is devoted to figuring out whether I trust that he's town, and outward from there I get reads from how others react to him. That process was totally short-circuited in this game, first by day 1 endeing before he even posted, and then by his alignment being all but certain during day 2. I might have come around to a Sakura vote purely on the basis of LLD's argument. Nacho calling us out to vote her made it a no-brainer.

The blood oath thing struck me as a rallying cry harking back to some long ago town that maybe didn't rally when it counted. I'm still curious what that was about. I have some leftover debts to ancient offsite towns that sometimes influence my decisions.

LLD's case on Sakura was wrong. Jabberwock's was right. Data was acquired.

Building parts of my games around figuring out Nacho is probably going to bite me in the butt one of these days. So far it's worked out pretty well. He's not the only player that I treat as a sort of stake in the ground when they are in the game.

I'm still pretty migrainy. Will see if I can figure out what LLD's jabberwock recipe stuff is about later today.

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Empire's sick and I am packing. Will get to things when possible/when I can be bothered.

I am too tired to drudge up Jabberwocks posts on me, and he isn't voting me yet anyhow which I do find to be strange given the heated words he sends my way Re: Today's lynch. Perhaps he could do me the favor of organizing it for me.

It's pretty obvious that we aren't voting you because you are at L-2

and Andrius isn't voting

and we're not yet ready to end the Day. Both here and on the "omg they didn't use a pronoun" you're putting an onus on us that is absolutely unnecessary when there are obvious Town reasons for us not to vote you right now and you're showing selective pickiness about

who

says what and how. Did our phrasing confuse you? If you're Town, clarify it and move on instead of using it to mudsling.

Oil Tycoons &co.: My other head is apparently in a (snot) coma and oh god is that a disturbing mental image in a Wondercritter. Would like your updated views on ProHawk.

Syr: still reads Prohawk as scum. reason - deathtunneling morph.

Nacho: hasn't posted in the QT since yesterday.

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LLD's case on Sakura was wrong. Jabberwock's was right. Data was acquired.

What part of the case was wrong, which part of Jabber's case was right?

The alignment part. e.g.,

The part where Sakura flipped town.

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LLD,

I've gone back and read your and Jabberwock's ISOs and it looks to me like your biggest disagreements have been about Sakura Hana and Saki. I'm not seeing anything inherently scummy in the disagreements from either side.

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also, this is a little late, but I'm totally jealous of you Ffery. all the dead dudes love talking to you for some reason

inorite? In Paradox Prime our heads exploded when when we got the PM about the séance QT. This time it was, "oh hey how about that?"

[morph the cat]

Also content from Daemon.

[morph the cat]

So my big brother nacho finally got his ass in gear.

He calls this his “I wanna fucking see some red” plan.

Why morph the cat is town:
~Cabd’s push on tippy is something that is not scum motivated, and something that Cabd wouldn’t do as scum because it makes his cred go die in a shithole that’s on fire. It fucks everything up for this hypothetical cabdscum for no good reason.
~The notion that Purpkin was also scumreading TIP shows he didn’t just pull it out of his ass, either.
~Nacho notes that the above arguments should be fucking unnecessary already, though.

Why Jabberwocky is town:
~Tierce telling nats to STFU in post 34 was obvtown.
~The paranoia from worrying about giving more info to scum was super genuine
~If anyone has any pride in their towngame, it’s these two.
~Empire’s scumgame is blindingly obvious, if anything OT would be the hidden hydra of scum, and they’re dead flippedtown, soooooo
~The reachout in post 50 is sooo town motived. Tierce would get a free mislynch but instead asks cabd if he’s sure and offers a chance for cabd to throw on the brakes.
~Her endorsing the wagon of TiP after re-assuring herself is town as fuck.

Why LLD is town:
~Holding back on murdering tip’s scumfuckery is pretty damn town. She had every excuse in the world to lynch him into the ground.
~The bloodlust is town bloodlust, not bloodlust in general.

Also, he wants me to relay that this is a WIP and please for the love of god somebody please get in here and talk to him thru me.

[morph the cat]

this is a love note from nacho.

hey prohawk

I've never misread ffery in my entire life. no there isn't a with for town tunneling. but there is such a thing as being so wrong you make townies want to lynch you. also he is going to give you a postgame and you will know what he means when he makes it.

phonepost. plz overlook spelling.

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Part two aka "fuck ordered thoughts i'm just gonna barf up things so post 'em"

~Empire's entrance post is town as fuck because he HATES HATES HATES lurksack accusations (he does it as scum so hearing it said about him when he's town gets under his skin)

~Daemon's interactions with Natirasha are weird in the kinda scummy sort of way, but the reads list looks a bit better than newbscum so he's a bit unsure on that

~LLD's reaction test shit with Empire is amazingly faked if she's scum, meaning she gets to be town in occam land.

~Daemon's waffle in 124 sucks balls

~LLD in 125 is a town trap of the highest caliber

~DTM's shit waffle on Natirasha being new town or scum is shit by itself, and it's a fucking useless first post as far as reading him goes.

~Tierce's reactions to LLD's testing is paranoid town as fuck. Her noting that cabd would bus Tip but not mislynch him rings true, it's not worth it to cabdscum.

~Nacho laughed his ass off upon re-reading LLD trolling tierce after tierce gets paranoid and points to it as T on T action. Shows she's not worried about being scumread by jabbers.

~DTM pussyfooting the tip lynch, upon reread, is setting up MAJOR alarm bells for nacho. He honestly doesn't think that DTM's request for meta to contradict cabd's meta is something coming from town.

~Post 184 is town and so town that nacho says you read it until it burns into your brain. He is firing imaginary vig bullets at anyone who would dare scumread LLD after that.

~Mara's "fuck i lynched town tippy" is town as fuck while we're at it. Andy letting tip die in a burning flame points to andytown too.

~He notes that the tip mislynch was super great because it gave us so many great town reads. He mentions to never lynch Purpkin, Morph, Jabbers, Andy and we win the game.

~The back and forth between LLD and Andy was town-town interactions. Period

~Jabberwock's 225 is really good and so super duper town.

~Saki's reaction to discrediting tippy's reads is scummy as fuck

[morph the cat]

Part three: Aka "nacho's other random thoughts before the next wall"

~Nacho wants to know what the actual fuck post 340 is, he says it fucking reeks

~Upon re-read, the saki-DTM interactions are weird because DTM claims shenanigans and saki's response is to..... be totally calm and ask "why keep it secret"

~Saki's lack of "WTF do you have on me" smells like scum trying to mitigate losses.

[morph the cat]

Prohawk, nacho's love, you need to know this:

Nacho has over 10 games with ffery and he has not once read her incorrectly, or even anything close to like it. He has nailed her scumfuck ass to the wall several times. In popcorn mafia, he got her shot. In xenobvlade, he and mollie lynched the everliving fuck out of her day one. Every other game, he has known she's town by page 5 at the latest. If there's anyone in the world he knows he can read, it's ffery.

[morph the cat]

Part four:

~Saki's vote on DTM is super fucking late, scumvote is scumvote

~383 is town as fuck ffery. It's a softclaim for not-doc and not somehting ffery ever would do or say as scum.

~387 is also super town. Nacho caught tierce-scum in stack the deck and he notes that scumtierce would never dance with nacho like this.

~Nacho tells you to go back and re-read post 407 because he explained town-morph in his own fucking words

~431 is town as fuck Empire too. Empire sucks so much as scum that it's literally known to be impossible for empire to talk like a cheeky shit as scum.

[morph the cat]

To hawk pt3:

Nacho's memory are a tidbit hazy but he doesn't seem to recall discrediting you besides the fact that nacho's sakura hana read was wrong. Because last time he checked he had literally NOTHING to do with the tippy lynch and he correctly called nati town, so unless you have some reasons that aren't full of shit for either morph or jabber scum you can go to sleep forever now kthnx

He did die the first night, and he's still alive (sorta) and still fucking 120% fine with two people that he CHOSE to trust to relay his messages and STILL has a townread on us from our talks with him in our QT. This should be telling you something.

PS: but nooooooo somehow ffery/cabd went from being too terrified of letting us live to being able to fool us in the glory of a private QT hell fucking no

[morph the cat]

Part i forget anymore but it's a nacho part

~437 is classic LLD town at its finest. Talking and or bragging to empire about how town she is. Nacho says he's tired of explaining this and Empire ought to pull his weight.

~441 by andy is such a fucking towntell. "I'm sorry for not sharing my world with you" is him crumbing his neighborize of jabberwock instead of oil tycoons and THIS SCREAMS TOWN DONT YOU FUCKING LYNCH HIM etc.

~He wants me to mention post 441 twice to drill it into your fucking skulls, folks. He said to use kurbio style posting if necessary, but i don't think that will be needed.

~Hawk's 462 misses the borktown ffery post showing that we read purpkin pretty much out the gate, but that could be chalked up to lack of knowledge in which head was in which hydra.

~Hawk mentioning discrediting while hawk is doing his damndest to discredit nacho makes him and 470 is fucking terrible too, as jabbers noted.

~Post 497 by demon sucks balls too because daemon really didn't do much of anything after it

[morph the cat]

And that last post by morph was extremely confusing. If that was Cabd, this topic was discussed previously which is how he knows this. If it was ffery, the use of third person was odd, likewise with the use of third person from Nacho. Could have been the other dude in the hydra whose name escapes me, but he uses so much profanity, I am guessing not.

If it was indeed Cabd, the liklihood that the topic was brought up to decide who to kill N1 is EXTREMELY LIKELY. Kill that scum.

P-EDIT: Second to Last Post.

You'll have to forgive us for tone mismatches since we're having to paraphrase nacho's miles a minute posting. Vi does not allow me to merely copy and paste. I've begged.

[morph the cat]

~567 is suck and really should have died instead of sakura, nacho apologizes greatly to both wonder critters for it.

~601 is pretty town upon second read; it reads legit and not an interaction scum would take with their partner, he thinks.

[morph the cat]

unless you have some reasons that aren't full of shit for either morph or jabber scum you can go to sleep forever now kthnx

I could claim a freaking seer-guilty on MorphTheCat and you wouldn't believe me, you are so cute Nacho. You wouldn't recognize reasons that aren't full of crap if they hit you across the face.

If I am right and MTC is scum, I get to laugh you into the ground, 2x if MTC and Jabberwock end up scum together. If I am wrong, and MTC is town, I still get the satisfaction of knowing you can't read jack short of being buddies with someone and even then I think you are weak.

PS: You were slated to die N1. Your dumb real-town read on MTC came from D2. USE YOUR FREAKING HEAD!!

Please actually re-iterate your reasons against morph the cat please, instead of discrediting me again, he says.

[morph the cat]

For the record, it wasn't a tone mis-match. Who wrote that post?

Quote which one you're asking about.

[morph the cat]

Also syr dropped in to say that upon re-read, daemon out, DTM in:

So.... {Hawk, Saki, DTM} (Daemon)

[morph the cat]

~Hawk's jump on sakura in 616 and the rest of page 25 is interesting because he just takes a huge break from tunneling morph to grab a lynch on sakura before returning

~659 Is hilarious because the answer to you wondering why is funny given you aren't considering it might be you with the wrong read and not everyone else.

~Was 685 followed up on? Nacho doesn't recall that happening.



To LLD:

You were bragging about your scum game. It that a better way to put it, or can you explain that yourself better?

[morph the cat]

Purpkin--two roleblockers in a Vi game are quite likely, even with a 13p, and may share alignments (see Mafia Jailbreak and etc.).

Nacho says thanks, and that this is useful info.

[morph the cat]

~Prohawk, LLD took Saki/Sakura's self votes to be different in favor of sakitown and sakura scum. You took em as the same so why did you ask?

~Re: 883 saki nobody would ever fucking night kill you

~Town read on daemon stale so he needs to come do shit




To LLD:

Sakura and tip were lynched too fast, nacho dies with a hammer, and he's still catching up, the day isn;'t over.

~928, prohawk are you seriously telling us that your tunnel case makes you town?

~994 "oh herpaderp everyone is ignoring me because I'm right" is shit posting and shit argument

Nacho says scumteam from his POV is {prohawk-saki-daemon} with an outlier of DTM for "reasons" but it's an outside chance. He does have a slight bit of paranoia that hawk is just being a ruffling, but it's getting to a point of unlikely as fuck as time goes on

[morph the cat]

Is playing an incredibly back-seat game.

That TIP lynch was morph playing backseat? Really?

Is backing extremely easy lynches while letting other people do the dirty work for them.

So you mean supported the sakura hana lynch? What other easy lynches do you mean?

Refusing to explain why/show how my tunneling is indicative of being scum (this plays into the fake/forced reason point)

They are town, you are tunneling them to death; that says scum unless you're claiming tunneling is some sort of a towntell for you.

[morph the cat]

Nacho says scumteam from his POV is {prohawk-saki-daemon} .

You tell Nacho that I guarantee at LEAST 1 of those is wrong, if not 2.

Let's say, for a second, that Saki and Prohawk are town.

And DTM is obvious town for me, so let's say he's town too.

In that world, Nacho, with Daemon, who else is scum?

Nacho wants to have you hold him and reassure him that you're not just getting paranoid on him, because he doesn't see how it doesn't make sense.

[morph the cat]

In that world, Nacho, with Daemon, who else is scum?

He says probably you and andy, but that you've both been pretty fucking town so that's not gonna hapopen

[morph the cat]

From nacho to hawk:
LLD saw the self votes as different but you saw them the same, so why attack jabberwocky for calling them as different but not attack LLD? Also, you're avoiding explaining the majority of things nacho has talked about, and he really wants to know what you think makes you so right and him so wrong, given his experience with, and proven accuracy of reading ffery (And cabd) more than you do with either of the two morph heads.

[morph the cat]

From: Nacho
To: The cat

Morph is town. That is step one of our love. Step two, daemon scum, agreed. Step three, compromise tie. It's something like either {daemon-prohawk-saki} or {daemon-purpkin-jabberwocky} but jabber feels like a crazy stretch.

He notes the compromise team would look like {daemon-purpkin-prohawk}

[morph the cat]

Also, name one time you nailed Cabd as scum please Nacho.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=30280

[morph the cat]

^That game hurt like hell, he nailed my ass so hard into next week. And I wasn't even his wagon of the day, people just sheeped his case 2 for 2, town won a perfect victory because he called 4/5ths the scumteam day fucking one.

[morph the cat]

From: Nacho
To: The cat

Morph is town. That is step one of our love. Step two, daemon scum, agreed. Step three, compromise tie. It's something like either {daemon-prohawk-saki} or {daemon-purpkin-jabberwocky} but jabber feels like a crazy stretch.

He notes the compromise team would look like {daemon-purpkin-prohawk}

I can live with the second and third sets. I'm telling you the first set is nuts. Absolutely nuts.

Can we kill Daemon instead~?

No. He says hawk is the key to this puzzle. In the evnt of a batshit insane townflip, then morph and tiercepire will have some read tuning and soft resetting to do. He's off to go see his girlfriend but tells me that he'll explain this in more depth tomorrow morning. He really does not want to lynch daemon today.

Now we are one for one. Next game please and you have me beat.

He says you may tie on pegging cabd as scum, but not even close to pegging ffery as scum.


That said, he notes that he'll be back in the morning.

[morph the cat]

For the record, it wasn't a tone mis-match. Who wrote that post?

Quote which one you're asking about.

Prohawk, if you replied to this I missed it. What post?

[morph the cat]

I forgot to mention. Both Ffery and Cabd know I tunnel and they both choose to ignore that convenient fact. This makes them scum, or dumb.

I haven't really seen you tunnel before this game, but Cabd told me that you tend to tunnel the fuck out of him on day 1 as town but eventually get to the process of actually figuring him out. That's part of why I was pretty meh about your early tunnelling and didn't worry too much about it.

It's fucking day 3 and you're still tunneling.

[morph the cat]

Prohawk, nacho's love, you need to know this:

Nacho has over 10 games with ffery and he has not once read her incorrectly, or even anything close to like it. He has nailed her scumfuck ass to the wall several times. In popcorn mafia, he got her shot. In xenobvlade, he and mollie lynched the everliving fuck out of her day one. Every other game, he has known she's town by page 5 at the latest. If there's anyone in the world he knows he can read, it's ffery.

This post. It's not an issue of tonal difference. Who wrote this?

Cabd, paraphrasing Nacho.

[morph the cat]

Whatever day you think it is, you've hardly raised your eyes from your tunnel on us.

[morph the cat]

The following is edited slightly to not have vi modkill me for quoting, but it's close enough:

Syr: Why the hell would he protect DTM night one?
Nacho: Make him elaborate and give me the fucking details NOW, i'll handle the rest when i'm home
Syr: And by details we mean ability name, uses, synergy, everything down to how many licks it takes for his character to get to the center of a tootsie pop.

[morph the cat]

Nacho also adds that DTM now looks worse than daemon, because that slip was town as fuck and is something nacho would expect from town-daemon given his level of activity.

[morph the cat]

I want you two buddying the fuck up to us today because we got killed last night and we are gonna die during the end of the day. But I seem to have this extremely nasty habit of dying N1 when you're scum and I am just a teensy tiny bit paranoid you killed me . Luckily, we have this beyond the grave ability that we're gonna use to protect you if you dance with us but otherwise we're protecting morph the cat and I really don't want to give them my beautiful protection unless they really, REALLY deserve it.

Also why would you protect jabberwocky when Oil Tycoons, confirmed town, already claimed a doctor on them?

[morph the cat]

"Hi empire, i'm a tad busy right now but if you have a little time on your hands, I'd love to chat with you in a bit." says the cheesewiz.

[morph the cat]

Shush saki, the townies are talking.

Nacho to Empire, pt1:

Nacho is super confident in andy-town. Strategy mafia was his best scum game to date, and when nacho was getting serious in that game, his biggest scumread was andy. Nacho has never called andy wrong yet, and he feels he's still 100% correct this time as well.

Nacho is confident in sakiscum and he has ~reasons~ for finding DTM's RB claim scummy. He thinks it could just as easily be a gambit and that we should not rule out the idea of saki and dtm being scum together. He wants to note the weird behavior by saki around the claim, and DTM's tendency towards strange gambits in general/

[morph the cat]

"Oh look at me I have such a sweet PR now let me claim it and then lurk and hope my wagon goes away and hope nobody notices my "night choices" are shit." Yeah no, PR claim and disappear tell, nacho wants it dead. With fire.

[morph the cat]

Also, andy, nacho is pining for you. Get in here.

[morph the cat]

Nacho says goodbye to all his loves, and reminds folks that saki is still obvscum.

[morph the cat]

We don't have a double vote any more. The double vote and the communicating with OT was their role ability, not ours. Both ended at nightfall.

We think it's mass claim time.

[morph the cat]

We're Tharja, a JOATish role. We like Oil Tycoons a looooooooooot:

All of these are one-shot:

1) Roleblock (we also hit saki N1 just as DTM claimed he did)
2) Neighborize two players who are not us (we attempted to neighborize Jabberwock and DDD the night DDD died, hence mara's question)
3) Machoize [seriously, we can make someone immune to protection]. We did not use this - I don't see an obvious pro-town application of this
4) Vig, but only if that player were to target Oil Tycoons, and the ship sailed on that pretty early. We didn't use this either.

We're neighbors with MTC and we have been all game, but that was driven by their role, not ours.

Uh..... You told us in the neighborhood you had multiple RB shots? You even told us you were debating on who to role block last night.

[morph the cat]

Morph, I need to know. Did Purpkin claim the ability to kill people who Oil Tycoons target with abilities in your Neighborhood before today?

7 days ago, on the 24th, was first mention.

[morph the cat]

Working stuff out in the neighborhood but there's {reasons} why I still think borkmara is town. I'll explain later after massclaim is over.

[morph the cat]

By the way, someone with actual in-depth flavor knowledge (i.e. has played the games i.e. HI CABD WHERE ARE YOU) will want to do something about that number, because we're probably running low on time.

There's no such chapter/map in the newer games, so it's probably just a reference to FE9/10 again.

[morph the cat]

Please correct me if anything is wrong here.

Jabberwock-Soren Gravedigger-weak RB
Purpkin-Tharja Joat
Andrius- Day Neighborizer- delayed tracker
Daemon
Saki- Anna, 2 unknown abilities (VT?)
Morph
LLD

Jabber, Purp, Andy, Saki have gone. I don't mind going ahead of daemon, or we can wait for him.

[morph the cat]

Oh, I know what will answer our curiosity--lynching and investigating you. (ºwº)


We're Soren. That was so obvious, even you must have anticipated it.

(Flawed) Roleblocker, cannot block Night kills (I like to call this our "lol 0 Strength" ability). That was actually what this head thought Purpkin was on about when they mentioned the two roleblockers back in the day, because I reckoned that our Neighborhood-related response was obvious enough (i.e. that they had not been blocked); I thought they were a rolecop and were asking us about our read on DTMaster. Blocked Saki N1 and N3, ProHawk N2.

Also a Coroner--see pleas for TIP to claim, because the Wondercritter be smart about these things and we knew there was either a Janitor (ahahaha no) or that this game followed the previous game's trend of being partial reveal.

You already know about the N1 and N2 Neighborhoods.


Andrius next, because Daemon is never going to post and was probably not coached into "Townslipping" anyway.
No, LLD, you don't get to pick the order because if you're Town you're ruining all the potential of popcorn-style by doing it and if you're scum it's no good anyway.

So... three roleblockers all being town aligned if jabbers and purpkin are both town? Also, why did you not use your coroner earlier than this, if you thought you would be a NK target?

[morph the cat]

What's the point of using a coroner ability on a TOWN player when we can hope to block a scum PR? We want Town people to claim, but we don't really need to investigate them--the claims we are missing are Triple D's and TIP's, and frankly I don't think the knowledge would make much of a difference. Coroner is to find out what the hell is with the scum players who we DO manage to lynch (see: Saki) and hopefully to figure out the timer mechanic from whomever is involved with it.

Hi jabbers. Ffery ditched me for the beach, so its just little old me for now, but I do have some paranoia over the fact that you've not crossed your vote with saki's, but it dwarfs the fact that saki's response to your posts looked really really like obvscum responses. Bork/Mara/Ffery/I are really conflicted here, because either LLD or Nacho are wrong.

[morph the cat]

That's true, I guess.

I don't get how this could be 3/10 with these blue numbers unless entire scumteam is actually aligned with chaos-numbers etc.

I'm thinking it might be 2/1/10 after all.

Why do you guys keep speculating at SK when we've only had one kill a night?

[morph the cat]

Some mod meta. Has Vi ever had a SK in his games before?

If yes, were they compulsive?

Your current thought process is {saki-third party numberscum} {two groupscum} {10 town}?

[morph the cat]

Oh, and if there's numberscum, should we be seeing something to counter that, or would a mini theme be too small to include it?

[morph the cat]

Coroner, We Are Really Fucking Awesome, etc.

Is this a oneshot or X-shot ability?


And can you provide links to those games/rolecards?

[morph the cat]

I remember the nacho-SK "herpaderp let's let town win too yay weird wording for wincons" game but not the others.

[morph the cat]

See Louvre Mafia, with Mumm-Vi, the Ever Living and Never Tasting Wild Duck Cooked with Honey and Garlic, and Vi's discontent when s.lullaby wanted to make the role Compulsive by default.

Not in vi's modded games list, I can hunt it down or you can gimmie a link, either-or.

Saki, do any of your roles hint at them doing something when a character or user dies?

[morph the cat]

VOTE: Jabberwocky

Tierce this self-aTe and self-meta is horrible. You're scum and saki isn't. Nacho was wrong, LLD and saki are right.

I mean you're not even trying to get saki to unvote, town tierce would be yelling kicking and screaming.

[morph the cat]

...oh my
Fuck.