Mini 1481: ETL's Horrific Camping Trip (GAME OVER)

[toxic-banana]

/confirm Nice to meet you all! I play loads of mafia with friends as a party game and understand it plenty well enough, but this is my first game online. Looking forward to it

[toxic-banana]

Hey all! Sorry I haven't been on, I was at a thing playing cuban music all day (it's addictive). I see I've picked up a random vote too

Let me read what's gone on and I'll try and say something meaningful... (as unlikely as that is on day one)

[toxic-banana]

VOTE: Toxic-Banana

For being a toxic version of one of my favorite fruits.

As good a reason as any to vote for someone on day one

[toxic-banana]

vote: GuyInFreezer

scatterbrained scum circlejerker detected

I'm new here, are you renowned for your subtlety? (although at this stage, I'm inclined to agree with you. Definitely got a big FoS aimed at GiF)

[toxic-banana]

Analysis of the last ten pages:

@GuyInFreezer is being agressive. Suspicious perhaps, but might just be looking for a rise from people and not actually be town. I can't believe that scum would play so blatantly, but feel like I'm about to stumble into a WIFOM here...

@SakuraHana is also being agressive (perhaps in a more defensive way), but again I'm not sure how much to read into it. I'll vote for one of these two if I have no one better to by the time I've scrolled through the last gazillion pages...

(and yes, this is how I make new friends.)

@Saki seems to have taken a fairly leading role at this stage. Seems pro-town atm, but will watch closely. Nothing to suspect them on, just a hunch.

Just not sure whether to vote for GiF or SakuraHana at this stage. For now, I'm going to

VOTE: GiF

I feel semi-scummy on both of them, but I'll go for GiF for now. I might change as things develop if someone feels scummier...

[toxic-banana]

Looks like we're heading towards a no lynch unless we can get something agreed. That said, we've got plenty of time no need to rush.

You two certainly make our lives more interesting

[toxic-banana]

@Timeater has a point on the lack of logic. What's your reasoning on the vote @DoctorPepper? Like, I'm sure you have some reasons, you just didn't mention any in your vote post so I'd be interested to hear it.

[toxic-banana]

@DoctorPepper @Rach Sorry, bit of a noob here, I didn't realise the deadline was so long!

But still, looking at the current vote counts some people have to change vote in order for a lynch to go through now. We shouldn't go to sleep on that.

But, plenty of time. I realise now just how plenty *feels like an idiot*

I'll be busy playing cuban music all day until the weekend, so the deadline suits me just fine

[toxic-banana]

@EspeciallyTheLies Quick question: does Sonatine's replacement start with her previous voting choice of FSnake still in effect?

Yes, regardless of who is occupying the slot, the slot's vote remains in effect until the player changes it.

[toxic-banana]

If you want the mod to respond best to put it in bold.

but yes all votes still stand, which is why many of us unvote before replacing out or unvote when we replace in.

tne is a dude. The avi is of special meaning to the Philippines.

/end of IC hat.

I know not a newbie game but yeah its natural for me to teach and I would have been happy to help Sona too

Pedit that too lol

Thanks! With the 'her' I was referencing sonatine, not TNE, but thanks anyway

[toxic-banana]

I got a similar feel on banana where his posts seem like they say something but in the end say nothing, but it could be attributed to the fact that he's a newbie and doesn't know how to contribute, anyone got more thoughts on this?

Pretty much. I'm not confident in any of my reads, especially not at this early point in the game, so what I said was basically that.

I have to disagree @Timeater, I may be new but I'm not ready to call GiF a genius yet Either I've been reading selectively, or he's been a bit quieter recently... but he was still a bit of a scummy firebrand earlier. However, I will agree with your read on Saki. But @Bert's scum hunt seems to possess a different tone. I don't have enough experience of playing with him to know whether that's just how Bert rolls or whether this just might be scum Bert. Anyone more familiar with his playstyle who has anything to add here before I entertain the thought of getting on the Bert bandwagon?

By the way @Timeater, something feels really off about you.

Oh, and for people getting scared by the fact some of my posts seem posts for the hell of it, I will confess to feeling a need to post, but that's because I've seen too many people lynched for being too quiet to want to follow suit on my first run. And Im not especially confident in what I have to offer.

[toxic-banana]

That's a very spread set of votes we've got going there!

[toxic-banana]

That's a very spread set of votes we've got going there!

And what do you intend to do about it, huh?

You're asking the noob to organise the discussion?

Obviously we need to get to a more united front on who to lynch tonight. Just bellowing our analysis into the thread over and over again isn't going to work, but I have no prior experience of games in this situation to draw upon as to what to do about it. Ah well, we have nearly two weeks and plenty of more experienced players to sort it.

For my two cents, although we haven't seen much of GiF in a while it feels I'm with @Mac and keeping my vote on GiF. I can't shake the memory of that aggression back at the start of the day.

[toxic-banana]

Sorry, typo there at the last line: 'For my two cents, although we haven't seen much of GiF in a while I'm with @Mac and keeping my vote on GiF.' is how it should have read.

[toxic-banana]

And that should be lynch today shouldn't it, not lynch tonight.

[toxic-banana]

UNVOTE: GiF

The more he posts the townier I feel about him. I'm starting to think that spat back at the start of the day was just that, but I haven't cleared him entirely of suspicion.

My current reads for whoever's interested:

Rach - leaning towards town
Sakura - leaning towards town
Mac - leaning towards town
FSnake - null leaning on town
fuzzy - null
Bert - null. Could be town, but chances of being town lowered if Saki transpires to be scum.
Aquaman - null
DoctorPepper - Null, leaning towards scum
tNE - Nll leaning on scum
GiF - null leaning on scum
Sakura - leaning on scum
Saki - leaning on scum
TimeEater - leaning on scum

I don't have much faith in my ability to do accurate reads yet, but hopefully you can see there's roughly five categories I've grouped people into there. Sakura, Saki and TimeEater are there at the bottom end of scumminess for me.

VOTE: Saki

[toxic-banana]

Pahaha I made a huuuge typo there. Sakura should NOT be at the top leaning towards town. My mistake, from copy pasting others read lists I think so I didn't have to bother typing all the names out (before you all jump to lynch my bananaskin off)/

And I should have formatted that a bit more clearly too.

[toxic-banana]

Ah, but no definite ones. With all the aggression and accusation that's been going on here, I'm a bit confused in all honesty.

[toxic-banana]

Which sounds like a complete cop out I realise... those are my current feelings on players, regardless.

Really, it's just three scumreads anyway GiF, which I think is the right for this game. Too many scummy posts going on though.

[toxic-banana]

The main niggle for me about the three that I've got ranked at the bottom is that they don't seem to be doing much teamplay. Certainly, Timeater has dropped some aggression on anyone who's looked at him funny Could be a sophisticated scumplay, a bad team, or me being wrong.

Ah, the WIFOM...

[toxic-banana]

But notice that that niggle is not that they're not being scummy enough for me to vote for them. Not at all.

[toxic-banana]

Im having problems with people who's readlists have not had solid scum, just people "leaning scum"

Sorry that I can't offer more certainty, but I'm wary of leaping out brandishing accusations when I'm not entirely sure of them myself, with little more than gut intuition and a few ragey posts as evidence, especially when someone is likely to go 'Look at Banana, he's being really agressive with the scum reads, and I thought one of those people was town - hey let's lynch him.'

I'm aware that's probably a bit over-cautious but yeah :S Ah well, as the youngest player it's highly unlikely people will be basing much off my reads anyway! But that's what I'm thinking for anyone who wants to know.

Do you have any definite scum reads yourself at this point in the game?

To be honest, I'm also wary of raising my profile to the point where if the town don't off me, the scum do anyway.

@Timeater I love anime My favorite anime is probably RahXephon. Or maybe Eureka 7. Or maybe Last Exile (LASTO EXILUH!). Or maybe Neon Genesis Evangelion. Or maybe Gundam Unicorn. Or maybe Accel world. And what about Code Geass... I loved all of these

[toxic-banana]

Im having problems with people who's readlists have not had solid scum, just people "leaning scum"

I have problems with people that DO NOT provide reasons for their reads.

Me too... which is why I won't get 100% behind my reads. Because they are just my intuition really. Without being able to better evidence my suspicions, there's no way I can declare someone scum and not a) lead us astray or b) get lynched.

I think it's coming from the tone of people's posts. I might sit down later and find some evidence for my scum suspicions, but it's nearly midnight here so I can't be bothered just at present

[toxic-banana]

How could you have a nullread on banana? that makes no sense. banana is super obvious town here. nobody is that bad. this just reads as hesitation to give out townreads.

Hey, hey, chill out man *feels uncomfortable with the sudden love from timeater*

[toxic-banana]

Although reading that more closely, I don't think @Timeater showed me much love - correct me if I'm wrong, but was that assertion of me as town based on the idea that I'm playing too badly to be scum?

[toxic-banana]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: RachMarie

Interesting, I'd read her as town. Mind if I ask why? It's possible that I'm wrong.

[toxic-banana]

she's not doing

anything

why do you read her as town?

I know this isn't much good but it's just a gut feeling. Someone else, might have been Bert, mentioned earlier how she just feels town to him because of her experience. It's unusual to come across such polite and relaxed scum. I could hunt for better evidence if you like to try and back up this hunch.

[toxic-banana]

Why do you complain so much?

Stops it being quiet in here I guess...

[toxic-banana]

Banana, why cant scum be polite?
Even then, this is playstyle. rach always plays like this regardless of alignement.

More votes on Timeater pls, kthnx

Point taken. 'Twas a bit noob of me. She still feels town to me, but I'll go against my instincts for now and put her down to null in my books.

[toxic-banana]

Tip, dont change your reads everytime someone questions them. I am not sure if you are scared newb town or conformist newb scum.

It was when you said you had experience of her playstyle. I've only just joined the site so I'm totally in the dark about people's town/scum playstyles which means if people give me that information, I'm going to take it seriously.

Thanks for the tip

[toxic-banana]

Newbie 1400
here's sakiscum

What kind of scum player gives us an example of their scum play? Hmm. For the time being, I feel I have to UNVOTE: in light of this.

Finger of Suspicion still points at you though, and timeater (although his last post gave me more of an unpleasant person than a scum vibe.)

[toxic-banana]

It feels like that was a long night!

And also, no night kill? Do we have a roleblocker out there who knows the identity of one of the remaining scums?

I wouldn't reccomend that they roleclaim at this stage, but that's interesting information to have.

Can someone more familiar with the online version of this game tell me if we have another RVS at this point or not?

[toxic-banana]

VOTE: saki

that seemed like a bus from saki, that was my first thoughts when i saw it was night.

My first thought too, but let me review his posts from the end of Day 1 before I jump into voting.

[toxic-banana]

The point of RVS is to generate discussion. Since we have plenty of stuffs to analyze, RVS is no longer necessary.
Also why look for a roleblocker specifically?

It could have been a jailer or doctor, but they wouldn't know the identity of the mafia member if they were responsible for the lack of an NK.

Hypothetically, if a roleblocker had targeted the mafia member performing the kill, they would know the identity of the mafia member. If there is also a doctor a jailer in the game, there is a 1 in 3 chance of that person being a mafia member. Because all the other roles that could prevent an NK I can think of are not reliant on targeting a potential scum player, there is no useful information for the town there.

[toxic-banana]

Toxic answer my question thx

Do I smell the beginnings of a tunnel? Just what I needed to wake me up in the morning! (it's just gone 12:03 AM here too so it's morning both in the game and in the UK)

[toxic-banana]

VOTE: toxic-banana
you suck

ahahaha just read this It's true, I just don't measure up to masters of the game such as yourself sir!

[toxic-banana]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: toxic banana

Fancy sharing why?

[toxic-banana]

So I've just been through Saki's posts from page 22 onwards... here they are in order:

VOTE: toxic-banana
you suck

VOTE: fuzzybutternut

Saki, whats with the vote jumping? Seriously, why not just pressure your supposed primary scum read

Time, vote parking and tunneling are not alignment indicative, both town and scum do them.

VOTE: Sakura Hana
ok if you say so

VOTE: DP

VOTE: RachMarie
L-1

A whole lot of vote jumping and then a hammer vote on Rach.

Surely that's when the scum would vote if bussing? Wouldn't want to vote prematurely.

VOTE: Saki

[toxic-banana]

I actually missed Rach's coaching post for a long while too (I don't know if I'd read it before but it only actually sunk in just now as I was flicking back through hunting for Saki quotes). I don't know what to make of it. I get pretty wary of people chumming up to me in games now for precisely this reason. There's helping people, and there's causing town to mislynch.

I probably ought to be in a noob game but I learn fast and I just wanted to get into a game as quickly as possible so I joined all the queues.

To be honest, didn't you yourself Mac tell me when I said I had a town read on Rach that she hadn't really done anything D1? (and that shows how great my reads are :S ALTHOUGH saying that most people followed GiF rather than read her as scum)

[toxic-banana]

What has Saki done that's scummy? Elaborate?

Well, it's mostly gut, I think. Something just feels off about her to me. It might just be that I'm not a huge fan of spamposting.

Anyway, what's the case on Rach? Is she just a lot less active than usual or is something different about her play or what? Because I see people sheeping on GiF and I don't quite understand why.

I was reading back through the thread again and found this interesting. Aquaman defended Rach, in the typically inconclusive terms of a scum member trying to stay on the side of the town.

After ISO'ing Aqua, it turns out he doesn't like evidence very much. Everything he's saying is conditioned with 'probably' and other such qualifiers as well, of course making it easier to go back on oneself in the event of a change in the town consensus.

Quit with the 'probably's and the maybes and stick your neck out.

VOTE: Aquaman

[toxic-banana]

So Saki has vig claimed? Won't that mean he gets targeted by the scum now? If Saki is targeted by the scum tonight, will his kill still go through?

[toxic-banana]

Noooo SAKI my favourite firebrand!

...but I can't say the same for Timeater. Things should run a bit more smoothly here.

Anyways, let me iso Aqua and see what's up there. Are we sure we want to end the day so quickly?

[toxic-banana]

Yuck, check out these posts:

From what little of Rach's posts there are, it does feel like she's lightly coaching Toxic. Between that and their mutual townreads, I think Toxic's probably scum. After that, I'm thinking the last scum is probably one of Sakura or TNE. But first things first:

Vote: ToxicBanana

I think GiF is probably town. Maybe Bert, too, I remember some of his posts felt pretty townish.

Not as suspicious of Saki anymore either. I'm not certain that scum would have pulled what she did with the hammer yesterday, and her posts don't feel as scummy to me in hindsight.

@Aquaman - what is your general experience with mafia-games. did you play it before off- or online?

I've played on another site before. Their playstyle is pretty different from here, though, and it's been about a year since I've played.

As for Timeater, I skimmed his iso and some of his posts do look really bad, but I think he probably needs to be prodded so he can respond before actually lynching. Looks like he hasn't posted on D2 at all.

It's all so generalized and overcautious...

I especially don't like the Timeater comments. Seem really overcautious for the situation. Holding back on a scum team-mate perhaps?

My gut says scum from these posts, but I don't want to end the day so quickly.