Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[FakeGod]

sup yall

FG here

gonna read I guess

[FakeGod]

Greetings, fellow detectives.

I'm FakeGod. You may call me FG for short.

I see that you guys have managed to lynch a SK day 1.

It bodes well that I'm surrounded by such highly skilled scum hunters.

I will try my best to get caught up as quickly as I can.

However, if someone would like to give me a short rundown on who's what and what's going on, I would appreciate it greatly.

FG, over and out.

[FakeGod]

I've been reading, and wtf...

You guys only got the SK with sheer luck lol

I see my slot was next to useless.

I'm reading desp_town, wisdom_town, Nati_scum, Bert_null.

Hopefully reading d2 will let me figure out slimer/Huntress's slot.

Haven't decided on others yet.

[FakeGod]

Ook I haven't read d2 yet but:

Wisdom's d1 reads stayed consistent entire day. (TNE_scum, mantis_town, Serra_scum, Bert_town, Nati_scum)

Nati's behavior toward the endgame (when he switched between Des/Serra/Mantis and finally fitz) seemed like scum trying to ensure a mislynch, compared to Desp who was ok with not lynching if it came to that. (I think d1 NL is fine)

Those two are my strongest reads so far. Fact that Desp and Nati tried to lynch each other at various times doesn't look scum/scum. It looks town/scum to me. #bonuspoints

Having trouble reading mac because he's been giving scumreads left and right but he has penguin down as his sole town read for some reason.

[FakeGod]

I forgot to mention:

I need to go FOS people who backed off mantiz lynch after neighbor claim then lynched fitz without a claim.

[FakeGod]

Also, someone tell me who "tater" is please

[FakeGod]

What?

Consistency = Town. You can't be possibly arguing otherwise.

And d1 NL is perfectly fine. I rather NL than lynch my town reads.

[FakeGod]

Priority for d1:

Lynch scumread > Lynch null > NL > Lynch townread.

If there's not enough votes for the first two options, I would NL.

Is it ideal? No, but I can't do anything about it.

[FakeGod]

Scum has to stay slippery with their reads to stay afloat.

Someone keeping the same reads throughout the game means he has read the game, determined with logic/gut/whatever who are town/scum, and sees merit in defending his reads because he actually believes in them.

[FakeGod]

I'm very consistent with my reads.

I very rarely change my reads once I give them.

Go away scum.

Vote: Natirasha

[FakeGod]

TNE is my predecessor.

[FakeGod]

Except town have no way of knowing if they are actually correct in their reads and therefore paranoia makes them doubt them and second-guess themselves. If you see someone not doing that, they're prolly scum (See penguin's tne push, penguin's Wisdom push or Desp's Nat push).

Only thing we have is our brains; if we cannot have faith in our own deductions, then what can we have faith in?

[FakeGod]

Unfortunate.

[FakeGod]

I'm fine with me being lynched, since Nati's willing to bet his life for mine.

He's a shrewd one. If I'm wrong, lynch me tomorrow, Wisdom, okay?

I'm not worth much, and if my lynch can get my strongest scumread lynched tomorrow, it is a win in my book.

[FakeGod]

You guys want me to finish reading?

I'm maybe 3 pages into day 2, but there's no point of reading further if Nati wants to 1v1 me.

[FakeGod]

Having trouble reading mac because he's been giving scumreads left and right but he has penguin down as his sole town read for some reason.

so you read d1, eh? and that is what you came up with?

did you miss the part where we were run-up cos we gave out so many town reads? I mean that was tater's and mantis's case on me how the fuck can you have missed that.

what

You threw your vote at like 8 different people if I recall correctly

[FakeGod]

hang on, I'll go find them and name the posts.

[FakeGod]

u backing out because you're afraid of my flip?

bro that's not how you 1v1

why don't you get serious

I'm gonna ISO mac for his votes and FOSes now bye

[FakeGod]

TO THE ARENA

[FakeGod]

well more like to the guillotine since I'm gonna be dead

btw when I say mac and I mean macmollie

I don't separate hydra thoughts

[FakeGod]

when you say mollie, do you mean mollie or macmollie together?

when I say mac or mollie, I mean macmollie, the hydra

[FakeGod]

macmollie's quick ISO

0: RVS Mantis
1: Scumread Desperado, FOS Wisdom and fitz
2: Town reads penguin
5: town reads Bert
7: town reads Bert
9: scumreads Wis
11: drops townread on tater
16: scumreads tater
23: scumreads Mantis
24: bunch of reads - desp is now townread, nati is townread, scumread lynx, townread tne, null penguin, scumread arc
31: scumread tater
53: votes slimer
54: votes tne, townreads wis, peng, nullread nats
59: votes serra

Total scumread at one point or another: Mantis, Desperado, Wisdom, tater, Serra, Lynx, slimer/Huntress, tne/FG

I count 8.

[FakeGod]

Correct me if I made a mistake

[FakeGod]

You guys want me to finish reading?

Leave mollie alone and continue reading.

ok I'll go read

[FakeGod]

Still not done reading d2, but

for neighbors, I wouldn't try to outguess the setup, other than ruling out both being scum.

[FakeGod]

you vote people who you don't think are scum?

[FakeGod]

Just to confirm: neighbors, you guys don't have daytalk, correct?

I think I saw somewhere that you guys talked a bit pregame and that was it so I just assumed you guys didn't have daytalk.

[FakeGod]

damn it wis your wall in 1017 is making my eyes bleed

but read it I must

[FakeGod]

ok then m&m

I agree to disagree

[FakeGod]

let's stop quoting my eyes bleeding

[FakeGod]

what aTe

I said I'm fine with 1v1ing nati

[FakeGod]

also that's you not me

Didn't you just say we have very different playstyles?

[FakeGod]

I believe aTe stands for appeal to emotion, and I don't see any of that lol

"I"m fine with me being lynched" = because I am.

"I'm not worth much" = my predecessor has done jackshit, plus my VT softclaim

"but there's no point of reading further if Nati wants to 1v1 me." = cuz if I'm gonna die, there's no point of reading more, is there?

I don't see emotions; just logic

pedit: I have townread on desp atm

[FakeGod]

I admit your wall was pretty damn awesome though

[FakeGod]

@Wisdom: Your 1017 wall is easy to follow and lines up your train of thought pretty nicely.

That kind of thought process wall is hard to fake as scum, plus I agreed with most of the things you said in 1017.

I'm at now pg 44.

[FakeGod]

did you know "aTe" is a buzzword that people use in order to authenticate their position?

[FakeGod]

FakeGod that wasn't what I wanted explained. I was referring to your Desp townread. But do that after you finish reading.

My desptownread atm is coming from his behavior near deadline. I thought we already disagreed on it, no?

[FakeGod]

I'm on pg 47ish and finally saw some talking penguins

on the other hand, I'm tiredd

[FakeGod]

I skimmed pretty much everything. Nati is so scum that if a cop has a inno on him it just means he's a godfather.

If he gets lynched today and flips anything other than scum, I'll self vote tomorrow.

I wish I was here for his wagon on d1. I'll write up my case in a moment.

Meanwhile, feel free to ask me questions.

[FakeGod]

Oh sweet fuck

I want God dead

"God is Dead."

-Friedrich Nietzsche

[FakeGod]

I want your reads on everyone else too.

Ok, but that's going to take longer.

[FakeGod]

Since I pretty much agree on your near deadline Nati behavior analysis, I'm just gonna go ahead and focus on d2.

Also, don't be surprised when I post 6 varying degrees of null.

[FakeGod]

sigh... I hate everything

[FakeGod]

I lost the original when my computer overheated.

Here are my two cents.

macmollie - notable in having suspected pretty much the entire roster at one point or another. (scum read 9 players iirc) part of it is hydra dissonance I think, since they didn't really talk to each other much about reads. (they're not faking it either I think; I can feel the two heads clashing against each other when I read macmollie) Also, I would think town hydra would have more dissonant views than scum hydra. - townish

Huntress/Slimer - Slimer was a lurker, but her posts like 1266 and 1269 where she wants to focus on lynx nk to find scum makes me think she's - noobtown.
null on Huntress. Not enough posts.

Sweet Potato - hydra dissonance is visible here again, but not as much. Holds the record of having suspected second highest number of roster at 6 or 7 players, but both heads seem to be more in line with views on players, which, to me, is more likely to be scum. Also sheeps Nati alot, who I think is hardcore scum. - scummish

Mantis - Correctly identified Lynx as town before flip iirc. Wanted to lynch fitz before flip. Seems to me that he cares about keeping up the scumhunting energy of the town going, and wants to lynch lurkers. I wish I saw him more in d2. - townish

Wisdom - Super paranoid and doubleguesses himself on pretty much every view point he posted. His major towncred comes from 1017 wall. I like his 1017 a lot. Pretty much sums up what I was thinking when was reading through near deadline d1. If Serra, and indirectly Nati, flips scum, this guy is pretty much cleared. You can't fake stuff like 1017 as scum. If you can, then I guess you fooled me good. - Solid town.

Serra/Arc - Arcangel lurked and opportunistic voted. Scum if Wisdom's right about his 1017. I think Serra read tne as town for majority of d1, with some random condition that if desp wasn't scum, tne was. (setting up lynches lol) Soon as I started to post from tne's slot and attack nati, he's on my case. - Scum

Desp - Incredibly similar playstyle as me. Even more extreme, since I would give my reads when asked, where he didn't. (town should help town dude, no matter how small) Plays with meta, which, is ok I guess, but it's fallible. Still, I feel his play was town in d1, and null in d2. -townish

Bert - This guy just random votes highest wagons and sheeps people. And post GIFs. (opening your ISO almost crashed my computer you ****) I can't read him for shit. - null

Nati - Day 1 Deadline play was SCUMMY for reasons Wisdom already mentioned in 1017. Not going to repeat it. Been softclaiming investigative role like literally all of day 2. Softclaimed inno on Potato I think? Doesn't matter. He ain't no cop. Votes Wisdom right off the bat day 2. Says Mantis is townish, then says he doesn't buy the whole neighbor claim. (wtf? that means they're both confirmed scum) He should pushing Wisdom/Mantis HARD right now. Instead he puts them down as null, town in 1198. This is as SOON as he was able to argue his way out vs Wisdom who's been on his case for d2 start. He flipped his reads there to TNE_scum, lol easy target. Then he goes back around 1431 and votes mantis soon as mantis has some votes. Switches to Penguin on 1523 soon as Penguin gains some votes. Switches Desp on 1735 as he gains some votes. He's votehopping to see if he could get a mislynch happen somewhere. I can't wait to 1v1 him, flip town, and watch him BEG FOR MERCY TOMORROW - DIESCUMDIE

peng- should have claimed at L-1 tbh; things balance out. I want to see reaction to my replacing in. -null

[FakeGod]

Seriously. To peeps who's talking about how I'm scum but not putting votes down.

I have no qualms about trading life with scum.

Nati said he's ok with being lynched if I flip town.

What are you waiting for?

Let's do this.

[FakeGod]

TO THE ARENA

I would also appreciate it if my null reads came and reacted instead of lurking.

[FakeGod]

psssh

This is the hard way to scumhunt, mara.

If your reads are fluid, you don't have to pay much attention since you can just shift your views.

I could've just read last few pages and lurked through d2 no problem, just like tne was doing.

NOPE. I'm here to hunt some scum. The Hard Way.

[FakeGod]

@Nati: on the 1% chance against all odds by some miracle that town decides neither of us should be lynched today, who would you lynch?

I already listed my reads above. <3

[FakeGod]

Hard does not always equal good.

~Om

Agreed. Although it does impress some people, no?

[FakeGod]

tbh that post makes me want to vote you again fg

Sorry.

I absolutely had to ask that question to Nati as a last shred of insurance, in case I dun fucked up this game.

[FakeGod]

may the gods be damned lol

HEHEHE

[FakeGod]

I see Bert and Serra, but that only gives us 5, and that's not enough.

hmmmm.....

Even I can't see into the future that far, although I have some guesses.

[FakeGod]

psssh I was expecting this post when I saw you not respond immediately.

Did you really expect anyone to miss your softclaim?

Anyhow, I don't believe your claim. Sorry.

[FakeGod]

Sigh. I don't think scum have daytalk either, since neighbors do not.

I'm not scum. I just pay attention to detail like everyone else should be.

I'm also not going to yell at you about whether your cop play was bad or whatever. I don't insult people's plays.

If you're cop, I apologize for outing you, but with the softclaims you put out, you knew this could happen.

[FakeGod]

On to the main topic:

Here's the reason why I don't think you're cop-

He's a shrewd one. If I'm wrong, lynch me tomorrow, Wisdom, okay?

It makes

absolutely NO sense

for a cop to 1v1 someone like that.

Seriously. Explain yourself.

[FakeGod]

When I read the soft claims, and then saw THAT, I knew I had a scum in the bag.

Sorry, but he ain't no cop.

[FakeGod]

Goddamn it.

You know you'd shred your towncred when I flip town.

Unless you had a guilty on tne, that was ridiculous.

[FakeGod]

Pedit: why not?

I 1v1 as a PR as much as I would as a VT, or as scum.

We have different playstyles for sure, but by 1v1ing as a PR, you're taking unnecessary risks for no good reason.

And towncred is helluva important when you're claiming as a cop.

[FakeGod]

No?

Nats is chasing a scum-read, and by 1v1'ing and just so happen to be wrong, you are less likely to be killed the next night

on the other end, if you do just so happen to lynch scum, and if you crumb hard enough, town will be able to see who you protected with your flip

what are the risks of 1v1?

My logic:

Town cop is an investigative role.

By staying alive longer and unthwarted into the game, he gathers more information on people's roles.

By risking yourself in a 1v1, you risk the above.

[FakeGod]

I've only stated facts. Not opinions.

pedit: Obviously. I also don't think nati is a cop.

ppedit: Sure.

[FakeGod]

I don't see what you're trying to say here.

I played to best of my knowledge and assumptions.

I obviously shouldn't be expected to know how other people play Mafia.

[FakeGod]

wait a second, what do you guys mean when two people 1v1?

[FakeGod]

1v1 means town votes between the two players and them only, yes?

Just to make sure we're on the same page, people.

[FakeGod]

because nati said something about dice

What does that have to do with anything?

[FakeGod]

No, you've based just about everything on your opinions.

Leaving your personal ideals aside, why is Nati's claim unlikely to be true?

I already gave my reads. Based on what he has said and how interacted with other players, I decided that Nati is scum.

[FakeGod]

I've only stated facts. Not opinions.

pedit: Obviously. I also don't think nati is a cop.

ppedit: Sure.

with this in mind, why are you using your beliefs to determine if Nati's claim is real or not?

Eh, aren't I free to use whatever I believe in to determine other players' alignments?

[FakeGod]

@Potato: It seems pretty clear to me what happened:

I think Nati is scum. That means all those softclaims he's making, he's crumbing a cop claim. So during our 1v1, I out his softclaims.

Where you're going with your questions, I have no idea.

[FakeGod]

I'm a high-risk, high-reward player, FakeGod. My dice rolling is a part of that. That's where then disconnect is.

Don't worry, I read you loud and clear.

If you're cop, one of the people who thought you were scum saw your crumbs.

Bad luck. It happens. Whatever.

[FakeGod]

@Nati: Indeed.

I was fully prepared to be today's lynch when I outed your softclaims.

Since, regardless of your alignment, you will then claim cop.

I can't hold a candle versus a cop claim. *tips hat

[FakeGod]

Kay

I'm just about ready to call fakegod scum

God, my questions are a means of me trying to figure out your alignment and me trying to work with you and I'm not exactly pleased with your answers. You aren't answering my questions, but rather beating around it. You definitely have something to hide and I don't think it's a PR given what you think how PR's should play.

I've already softclaimed VT.

[FakeGod]

Might as well full claim.

I'm

Agent Jordan Shaw, VT

.

And no, I don't know who that is.

I don't know the flavor at all.

[FakeGod]

@FakeGod
Even if Natirasha is lying about being a cop, do you not think it's best to lynch someone else and see what happens overnight?

You already know how I operate.

If there isn't enough support for Nati lynch, then I would support the next best lynch according to my priority chart.

Lynch scumreads > Lynch null > NL > Lynch townreads

[FakeGod]

I already posted my reads in 1911.

I want Serra next. Lynching Potato is kinda risky since nati claimed inno.

[FakeGod]

@mac: dude chillax I'm busy atm

I go after my scumreads. I don't care about their softclaims.

I don't know who penny is.

I'm townreading desp; I already said why. Plus desp is scumreading serra and nati which is a bonus in my book.

[FakeGod]

My bad. Desp was scumreading serra d1.

[FakeGod]

@ fg

nats play was bugging me a bit too but why did you out him today and not wait until tomorrow? I was raised to only go after specials whom you think might be scum instead no earlier than d3.

@ oooooohhhh fg

don't ignore me now

another question for you:

why do you not want to lynch penny or desp?

@mac: dude chillax I'm busy atm

I go after my scumreads. I don't care about their softclaims.

I don't know who penny is.

I'm townreading desp; I already said why. Plus desp is scumreading serra and nati which is a bonus in my book.

fg i asked you some questions are you going to answer them or not

M&M I answered you already quit bugging me

[FakeGod]

(There are no hints/clues in this flavor or in any flavor of the vote counts or death scenes. It's for entertainment purposes.)

This probably extends to role PMs and role flavors. It's probably random/whim of mod.

[FakeGod]

By the looks of it, nati lynch isn't happening today.

I am now voting my next lynch priority.

Vote: Serra

If Serra lynch isn't happening, then I will start voting my null reads.

[FakeGod]

@Mod: My vote is on Serra.

@mac: I'm Jordan Shaw.

[FakeGod]

@penguin: I find Serra scummy for attacking me when I started to attack nati. Serra is my second strongest scum read in this game. He derailed the fuck out of nati wagon near d1 deadline for one.

Do note: this read has strong basis in my nati scumread. If Nati flips town, Serra is town.

[FakeGod]

FakeGod, you said that you found serra scum for, among other things, attacking Natirasha.

Incorrect. Serra didn't attack nati.

[FakeGod]

Nothing personal, Bert.

I just can't tell whether GIFs = town or scum.

[FakeGod]

I'm bit hesitant to follow Wisdom's plan, not because he's scum but because his plan relies on Nati actually being a cop.

But even fakecops have to generate real info eventually, so I guess his plan could work.

I don't know....

@Serra: Scum_serra derailing wagon for scum_nati makes perfect sense to me. Doesn't it to you?

[FakeGod]

@Penguin: give me your latest scumreads in your next post plz

[FakeGod]

dear lord bert don't tell me you're just scumreading people who are not nice to you

remember: evil is nice otherwise people wouldn't bother with it

[FakeGod]

@Serra: Scum_serra derailing wagon for scum_nati makes perfect sense to me. Doesn't it to you?

Surely if my only goal at the end of D1 was to avoid Nati/me getting lynched, I would have just let the mantis wagon go through? Unless you think mantis is scum, too, but that's just a bit silly.

Where did this happen? Link me plz.

[FakeGod]

I hacven't posted any GIFs in the past couple of days.

Good. GIFs are fun but I like catching scum more

What I do is if we keep hitting town and my strongest townread is a competent player (like Nacho), then I will become extremely paranoid and try to figure out what's going on., or at least stop sheeping and not throw caution to the wind

sigh, sheeping strong players is an easy way for scum to coast through early game.

[FakeGod]

@Serra: Thanks for the links. Although I wouldn't call wait 20 min really "not letting mantis wagon going through", you certainly did show restraint in hammering right away.

Your point would be more pronounced if this had happened closer to deadline, since perhaps scum_serra would indeed have "let the mantis wagon go through" if it meant pressure off scum_nati.

[FakeGod]

M&M case looks heavily based on meta. I don't know their meta and I previously read the slot as townish.

However, I have a question to M&M about their reaction. Specifically, posts 2401 and 2403 and similar ones, where m&m yells for more votes and etc.

@M&M: You mentioned that I was scummy for using aTe back when I replaced in, in posts 1856 and 1858, etc. I still don't think I was appealing to any emotions there, but my actions that you accused me of are being mirrored by you in your 2401 and 2403, etc.

Can you justify your latest posts? Wouldn't they be classified as scummy "aTe" according to your own definitions?

[FakeGod]

Assume that you're town and playing toward your win con.

When I replaced in, you gave a reason for finding me scummy. (apparently I was using aTe in a certain way)

Then, why should you now engage in the same behavior, (using similar aTe) if you believe that's what scums do?

[FakeGod]

@M&M: Wisdom is my strongest townread; that doesn't make him right.

What I'm alarmed at is your inconsistent play.

Please explain.

[FakeGod]

I'm here to hunt scum, not lynch at random.

[FakeGod]

I've already said null.

[FakeGod]

When did I say I believe in Wisdom's theory?

If you're going to just continue to mock my questions and play lynchbait, then we're done here.

Good day, ma'am.

[FakeGod]

Deadline is in 3 days, and my scumreads are apparently immune to lynches.

I'm going to go lynch null, but I'm not voting anyone Nati votes unless it's NL otherwise.

[FakeGod]

Nice! Perhaps mantis scumslipped in the neighbor QT, and had to get rid of Wis?

Also, with the SK flip and the tracker claim, I'm pretty much 100% positive Nati is mafia cop at this point.

Nati, please out your investigation.

[FakeGod]

Wayne, Nati's scum.

Never mind his "inno" result.

[FakeGod]

Mantis, please come in here and say your last words.

pedit: kthx

Vote: Mantis

[FakeGod]

lol

caught scum are so amusing to watch

nati who's your 3rd team member? I bet he's a roleblocker based on what you just said.

[FakeGod]

When Cop hits townie, they get an INNOCENT result. Nati got a NOT SCUM result. That's a world of difference and all that really matters in the Pertayter spoiler. Thanks for zeroing in on something that's completely moot now that Wisdom flipped town though Desp. Scum wouldn't do something like that, now would they?

wayne, Nati's scum. Don't listen to his "results".

[FakeGod]

Well, if mantis flips town, we lynch desp and know that we can trust nati. I seriously don't see how that would be a good scum tactic though.

It's not

Scum got caught and now they're slinging mud

[FakeGod]

Killing Potato doesn't confirm shit.

No, we kill mantis today.

It gives credence to my claim. And, no. If you believe Desp, then your vote should be on me.

You're tomorrow's lynch.

[FakeGod]

wayne, if Desp is scum, he just killed himself with that claim.

Why would he do that? Especially since according to you, he wasn't in really in danger of getting lynched for d1 or d2.

Mantis lynch is the correct lynch for today.

[FakeGod]

From what nati said, the setup is probably scum roleblocker, neighbor, cop vs sk vs tracker bodyguard neighbor and ??????

[FakeGod]

wayne, if Desp is scum, he just killed himself with that claim.

Why would he do that? Especially since according to you, he wasn't in really in danger of getting lynched for d1 or d2.

Mantis lynch is the correct lynch for today.

I've already answered this twice. This is the last time and I'll make it big and bold so you can't miss it this time.

BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE THE GAME TO MYLO WITH NO FLIPPED SCUM. FROM THERE IT'S STATISTICALLY HIGHLY IMPROBABLE FOR TOWN TO WIN. THE PROPER QUESTION IS WHY WOULDN'T HE. IT HAS ALL THE SCUMOTIVATION IN THE WORLD TO DO SO.

If mantis flips town, then desp gets lynched tomorrow and flip scum.

Then, town would be in MyLo with a flipped scum.

Reply?

[FakeGod]

My big deal with Desp's tracker claim is this

"The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed).
Trackers have been seen as each alignment.
This version of Tracker, and only this version of Tracker, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net."

He wouldn't know what night action Mantis took, only who he hypothetically targeted. Wisdom was such a turd, I'm sure he would have had all kinds of targeting N2. The way Desp came in with the go!go!go! Kind of tone reeks of scum. That's undeniable.

Impossible. Mantis had already claimed neighbor.

Desp knew that mantis cannot possibly visit anyone if Mantis was telling the truth about his role.

Therefore, Desp knew that he had a guilty coming into d3.

Reply?

[FakeGod]

Perpetual mylo with 2 more (most likely in my mind) to flip isn't a favorable condition for town to win. That gives scum 2 chances for a blind town to mislynch and lose. I guarantee they would take out the town eyes next, Nati if you will.

Town isn't blind since they have a flipped scum. That alone gives loads of info.

Nati is scum, probably mafia cop, seeing that there was a SK.

Wayne, I don't understand your position. Lynching mantis is the best lynch for town today, hands down. It gives so much information to the town.

Mantis flips scum = Desp is town, and Nati is almost conf scum.

Mantis flips town = Desp is scum, and Nati + Potato is almost conf town.

[FakeGod]

Nati is scum, probably mafia cop, seeing that there was a SK.

Sup, why would I claim mafia/not mafia results if I was a scum cop looking for an SK?

Lemme guess: as a mafia cop, you probably get "town" or "not town" for your results, and you said "not mafia" on potato for towncred.

[FakeGod]

My big deal with Desp's tracker claim is this

"The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed).
Trackers have been seen as each alignment.
This version of Tracker, and only this version of Tracker, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net."

He wouldn't know what night action Mantis took, only who he hypothetically targeted. Wisdom was such a turd, I'm sure he would have had all kinds of targeting N2. The way Desp came in with the go!go!go! Kind of tone reeks of scum. That's undeniable.

Impossible. Mantis had already claimed neighbor.

Desp knew that mantis cannot possibly visit anyone if Mantis was telling the truth about his role.

Therefore, Desp knew that he had a guilty coming into d3.

Reply?

There's nothing which precludes neighbor from having an addition role other than the fact that Mala told me this is a normal game. By your own statement, Mantis couldn't target anybody for anything and Wisdom did flip neighbor, ergo Mantis is also neighbor. Mantis could be scum, yes but if he's neighbor he probably doesn't get to input the kill. That would most likely be some other team scum member.

Wayne, you're not making much sense. Scum neighbors can submit kills as well, even in a normal game.

Impossible. Mantis had already claimed neighbor.

Desp knew that mantis cannot possibly visit anyone if Mantis was telling the truth about his role.

Therefore, Desp knew that he had a guilty coming into d3.

My statement stands.

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[FakeGod]

The point is, he would have no motivation to claim Cop at all. It would be strategically better for a scum cop to keep it to himself D2.

Wayne, do realize that Nati wanted to keep it to himself d2.

I outed him.

[FakeGod]

Why would a cop of either alignment want to out themselves day two with just an inno?

Cop doesn't. I was just pointing it out to wayne.

[FakeGod]

For the record it was stated that this was not a bastard game and it has been reviewed for balance.

I do not mod bastard games.

Not bastard =/= normal

ffs

[FakeGod]

It might be themed, no?

[FakeGod]

Theme*

[FakeGod]

Lynching mantis is the best lynch for town today, hands down. It gives so much information to the town.

Mantis flips scum = Desp is town, and Nati is almost conf scum.

Mantis flips town = Desp is scum, and Nati + Potato is almost conf town.

Wayne, I'm not saying you should believe Desp.

I'm just saying that lynching Mantis will give us the most information.

[FakeGod]

Mantis flips scum = Desp is town, and Nati is almost conf scum.

Mantis flips town = Desp is scum, and Nati + Potato is almost conf town.

vs.

Desp flips town = Mantis is scum, and Nati is almost conf scum

Desp flips scum = Mantis is null, and Nati + potato is almost conf town.


If Desp flips scum, it gives no info on Mantis.

Mantis's flip either way gives info on Desp.

[FakeGod]

Wayne, trust me on this one.

If mantis does not flip scum, I give you my word that I'll lynch Desp tomorrow.

[FakeGod]

Fallacy. Any scum lynch gives equal information because connections can be drawn from the lynch. I also find it less likely for Mantis to be scum than Desparado. Not that I don't see Mantis as scum, because I can see that. The difference is that I

do

see scum in Desp.

But you're looking at it from a biased point of view.

You're assuming that Desp will flip scum.

[FakeGod]

Wayne, let me get you straight.

You believe Nati is cop, and you believe Desperado is scum.

You believe Desperado faked his results last night to get Mantis lynched, knowing that he will be lynched tomorrow if Mantis flips town.

I now ask you, why should Desperado do this, instead of another of his scummate?

Because, as you said, Desperado had a great towncred in d1 and d2, and was "untouchable".

It seems to me, that if mafia wanted wanted to sacrifice one of their members to get rid of Mantis at all costs, then they should sacrifice a player who had less town cred than Desp.

Reply?

[FakeGod]

Wayne, you said Desp was "untouchable". Can you explain this?

Being under a lot of scrutiny doesn't really sound "untouchable" to me.

[FakeGod]

Because. He was in a bad position--ignoring Waynegg for a minute--the rest of us all thought Desp was suspicious as fuck! I distinctly didn't investigate him

because

he was so obviously scum that I was going to push his lynch anyway. If he did something timid like claim VT or some shit, we'd already be on night three. So, no, I think the scum team decided to go for some big plays. If it worked, hey, they managed to get two lynches out of Desperado before death. And the game is in LyLo from then-on. If not, well, oh well, he was pretty dead in the water anyway.

Being in a bad position is not "untouchable".

Wayne said Desp was untouchable.

I want him to answer, not you.

[FakeGod]

Wayne, another question.

If Desp flips tracker, will you still believe that Nati is cop, or will you believe that there are two investigative town roles in this game?

[FakeGod]

Wayne, can you explain again what exactly you're saying in 2723?

I have literally no idea what you're talking about. Like in any of your posts.

[FakeGod]

Well, I assumed that they talked in the QT pregame or something.

[FakeGod]

Why is everyone saying that I'm in a tunnel?

[FakeGod]

Serra you're like a light at the end of a dark tunnel

I've been stuck in here with these people and they drive me nuts Q.Q

[FakeGod]

bert

When an investigative role claims with a guilty before MyLo, lynching the guilty is the correct choice because you can test whether the claim is real or not by lynching the guilty.

pedit:

[FakeGod]

@Waynegg: please shut up and read the game.

@Mantis: Not really

Wisdom hasn't commented much, if at all , about you recently. Plus he may have talked to u before d1?

Sorry phone access only for the rest of the night :/

we talked pre game.

also
VOTE: serra

We already knew the neighbours didn't have day talk, so kindly fuck off.

This is what caught scum looks like

How about you quote me that tidbit where Mantis said they had pregame talk, cause when I read the game WORD-FOR-WORD twice I must have missed it both times. Maybe you just thought he did because it was in you scum QT or something.

goddamn it Wayne, Serra just quoted it for you. Look at your post.

[FakeGod]

Serra, pass me some of that whiskey.

Please.

[FakeGod]

good god

I leave for few pages and come back to find Bert trying to find himself gloat????

what in the world is going on

...

Pass me more whiskey goddamn it

back tomorrow

[FakeGod]

Holy ****. Nati was cop..

Most of my reads this game just collapsed with that flip. Jesus.

I need to think.

damn.

[FakeGod]

bah, I'm confused.

Scum effectively gave town a confirmed town by shooting Nati.

Why the hell would they do that when they have a roleblocker?

It doesn't make any sense.

pedit: I'm not voting anyone until I rethink this through, Wayne.

[FakeGod]

Still thinking.

I wrote this in middle of my amusings and found it helpful. Perhaps, it can clear your thinking process as well.

VC of Final Lynches

Day 1

:

havingfitz

-

Natirasha

, Serrapaladin, Mantisdreamz,

Lynx_Shine

, bert,

Sweet Pertayter

, penguin_alien

Off-wagon

: thenewearth,

havingfitz

, macmollie, Theslimer3,

Desperado

,

Wisdom

Day 2

:

Huntress

-

Sweet Pertayter

, macmollie,

Natirasha

, Mantisdreamz,

Wisdom

,

Desperado

Off-wagon

: bert, FakeGod,

Huntress

, Serrapaladin, penguin_alien

Day 3

:

Desperado

-

Natirasha

, Mantisdreamz,

Sweet Pertayter

, waynegg, Serrapaladin

Off-wagon

:

Desperado

, FakeGod, penguin_alien, bert

[FakeGod]

My reads on a gradient:

Town

FakeGod
Potato
Wayne
Mantis
P_A
Bert
Serra

Scum

I think the remaining scum are

Bert & Serra

.

I'm aware that my reads have been poor this game, but I know that I'm town. With Nati cop flip, Potato is conf. town. I had mollie lean town, and I'm reading wayne as town. In addition, Wayne saw through Desp's fakeclaim and held his vote on him. That's a telling point in my book.

Desp tried to get Mantis lynched yesterday. That means Mantis could go either way, but I think if Desp believed that he really was in a bad position and was willing to do anything, he'd try to get one more town lynched before going down. That puts Mantis above the remaining players.

P_A has put good analysis and shown good game understanding. While analysis and understanding can come from either alignment, the insight she provides is useful enough that I'd lynch her after the other two players.

Bert scumread is coming from process of elimination. I feel that Bert have sheeped most of the game (looking at his voting pattern) without providing much content. In addition, other players have dropped way more towntells than Bert have.

Serra is my strongest scumread. He definitely have been following the game very closely, yet I feel his early game play has been mostly to stay out of people's radar. When he engages, he understands others' reads incredibly well, something I would expect more from scum than town. Also, when he saw me agree with Desp and voting Mantis, he also wanted the Mantis lynch. Throughout day 2, he fenced between the two lynches while calling Mantis lynch "the correct lynch" for the day, followed by a sudden Desp hammer. These actions make sense coming from a scum_serra.

Vote: Serra

[FakeGod]

Serra is at L-1.

[FakeGod]

That's the lynch.

I am VT.

I have not lied once in this game, and all of my reads were genuine.

Good luck, town.

[FakeGod]

No, Bert. I very rarely flip flop on people.

You were null entire game, until POE said otherwise.

I think it's Serra & Bert scum team.

I guessing potato's getting shot tonight.

That means town's best hope in winning this is... Wayne.

[FakeGod]

Well, I supposed it could be worse.

Wayne, you gotta win it for me, k?

I still can't believe nati flipped cop.

I guess I'm in for a world of pain when I enter the dead QT.

[FakeGod]

My reads on a gradient:

Town

FakeGod
Potato
Wayne
Mantis
P_A
Bert
Serra

Scum

I think the remaining scum are

Bert & Serra

.

Nothing changed.

[FakeGod]

It wasn't much of a out, Serra.

Most of the town already saw the softclaim, and I was sure scum already saw it as well.

[FakeGod]

I guess we can only hope mala only put 2 scum in the game? Bert is scum though, particularly with the hammer, and I'm guessing wisdom was right about peng, too.

No. Town needs to operate on the basis that they are in LyLo tomorrow.

[FakeGod]

Desp wouldn't have gambited his life away if there are only two scum in the scum team.

[FakeGod]

Nati's softclaims got really blatant starting in d2. I actually didn't catch his softclaims until I read the beginning of d2.

I think Bert & Serra team makes decent sense.

[FakeGod]

goddamn it