Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[Natirasha]

Obligatory VOTE: natirasha.

Now, I'm not going to lie, I didn't even know there was a show called Castle. I joined this game under the impression its be like a murder mystery in the vein of And Then There Were None or something. Oh well, I'll survive.

Ms Mara, I expect to be good friends with you by the end of this series. Just how many hydras are you in?

[Natirasha]

Nat....do you make a habit of self voting during the RVS

Yes. I've even voted for myself in games where i am the mod. Its a calling card.

[Natirasha]

Considering that AA's posted more in this single game than in all my other experiences with her combined, I'm tempted to say she's scum.

[Natirasha]

I hate hydras btw.

(sorry for not being so quippy in this game, I'm having trouble staying interested in it, to be honest)

[Natirasha]

Hey, I did my secret job: sparking interest.

[Natirasha]

Do you ever post anything but one-liners? You have some people defending you like their life depended on it, so get cozy <3

Nope.

[Natirasha]

Do you ever post anything but one-liners? You have some people defending you like their life depended on it, so get cozy <3

Nope.

Oh dear, flashbacks to playing with JacobSavage.

I'm in for a longggggggggg game.

I recommend you go look at some of my other games--shout out to Mind Screw 2--it shows a lot of my general playstyle. I'm just brief. In any case, there is nothing to talk about, I don't think there is anyone who has come off as scummy to me at this point(and I'm stingy with my vote anyways), so why vote? Half the playerlist isn't even here, anyway.

[Natirasha]

Bert needs to chill out and people are overreacting to his attitude and tone. He's town, guys.
Nat however makes a great vote, because he is making excuses not to do anything while trying to take credit for doing things.
VOTE: Natirasha
Lynx also made an easy vote onto Bert.

~Om

You saw through my clever ruse.

That I planned to directly post a proddodge.

Get a reaction.

Then take credit for it.

You saw through my clever ruse.

[Natirasha]

Oh god.

I have to play a whole game with this Bert guy.

Oh god.

[Natirasha]

At least the feeling is mutual -.- For what it's worth, I actually think you're town, which irks me.

[Natirasha]

Yeah I had a good laugh. This is positively glacial compared to most games.

[Natirasha]

Who is Nat?

That would be your Archlord and Savior, the God-Emperor of all scumville, me.

[Natirasha]

Another person i am more concerned right now is Natrisha, she came on day 1, called me scum

I remember a certain game where you were hydraing with GuyinFreezer and never posted. It was never intended to be a serious accusation.

To be truthful, this game feels like it has a lot of noise and useless townies arguing with each other. I don't like the Potato thing's play, but I'm reserving judgment on them until Mara returns. Bert is still, sadly, chatty town. Or ADD scum, I guess, but town seems more likely. I suspect that the scum are more in the "lying low" group this game(which I guess I am technically part of).

UNVOTE: . RVS is over.

[Natirasha]

But what about meeeeee Mara?

Im going to reread, but I keep seeing town from the macmollie. I have no experience with any of you, so I'm not going to be swayed by meta arguments really.

[Natirasha]

Wtf kind of post is that Mollie. I actually thought your play was okay up til now, but nooo now I gotta reread 13 pages of Bert talking to make sure.

[Natirasha]

Alright, i actually read the thread again(shocking). I'm officially in the 'do not want' camp on Mollie after rereading. I believe it was Om who said it best, "coasting on town reads".
The biggest impression I got is that Lynx is town though. There is an air of genuinity to her posts.
Arcangel, as usual, is verging on useless with her perfect storm of lurkiness and lack of content. The most she's done lately is a token post of agreeing with the current wagon(which, I admit I've done too), but im fucking trying to act interested.
Something feels off on Pertayter, but I can't read it. I'm hoping Mara's return will make this better reading.

I wish we didn't have four people with sub ten posts.

And, as usual, you're annoying Bert and your avatar burns my retinas.

P-Edit: arc looks less scummy on I so reading. I dunno.

[Natirasha]

That's been my problem, your(as in hydra) posts have been incredibly stilted and...odd. I can't really explain it. Like, i read them and they make sense, but i cant help but think there is am ultierer motive. I think part of it is Om(guy seems highly flammable), but the posting(even before you returned) seems almost schizophrenic. You guys need to get some unity, for one.

I'm starting to get a clearer picture here.

[Natirasha]

Ebwop: pardon spelling, phone.

P-edit: i agree Bert is town(I think I've said that thrice now), but he annoys me. Too much energy and 'lolxdsorandum' in his posts.

[Natirasha]

Okay, I hate to pull this card because its a dumb reason, but if we could refrain from lynching me until tomorrow, that'd be great. I have a few things to say but I'm going to use a lot of formatting which is impossible for me to do on my phone.

In any case, teach to put effort into a game.

[Natirasha]

I mentioned before that I think that the scum are lurking through to game, the impression I get from most of the noise here is that of townies arguing with each other. This game is even more delving into meta than most, I feel, as well, and meta one thing I cannot do with people I've never played with (and is something I try to avoid doing regardless), so like sixty percent of this thread is absolutely worthless to my purposes.

I don't place votes easily. I prefer to be at least 80% confident that a player is scum or I am trying to put some pressure behind an accusation. The closest i have to a 'full' vote is on mollie at, like 40% chance of being scum(obviously im playing numberwang with these numbers, bear with me). I guess Om is second at like 30%.

To Bert: while I don't like you're style, I have been hamming up my dislike of you a bit too much. I apologize if I came off as whiny, the gag has gone in long enough and I hope we can be civil towards each other.

On my 'getting a clearer picture' statement, that was me reading into subtext. Ive been playing terribly since my return to the site and have been making a distinct effort the past week to attempt to be a better player at the game and not as much lynch-bait. To that end, I'm keeping notes on associations between players I think is important and I think I got a soft read on the alignment table of three players. I'll delve into this more after the night phase, I need to sleep on it and do some more research before presenting something half-cocked(I have an eighty page thread taking precedence at the moment).

[Natirasha]

Not bury the hatchet, but end the joke. I'm still probably groan when he says dumb stuff, but I agree with the fact I was sounding like a tool in the last few pages. The joke ran its course and im beating it now. In any case, atno point have i griped about his play. I have griped about his personality and play style, sure, but not his actual content. In fact, I don't think I've said a single thing about his actual content except that its decidedly average(and generically town as a result).

[Natirasha]

This game continues to have trouble holding my interest. Hopefully fitz returning will make it interesting again.

[Natirasha]

What a surprise, ArcAngel being prodded.

[Natirasha]

What a surprise, ArcAngel being prodded.

What was the purpose of this post? Because it certainly wasn't to hunt scum.

Nat I thought you had some things you needed to say? Or was #370 it? I don't like how you started to get a clearer picture, and clearly put some thought into the "alignment table" of three players (that's engagement in the game) but now you're saying it's still having trouble holding your interest.

Nah, just taunting someone.

My posts on the last page were my thoughts for the most part and my alignment table is still sitting here, but as I said, I don't want to reveal them until I have an alignment reveal between {mollie/Potato/X} before I start expounding on them. I was actually excited to play again, but just as things happened, no one decided to post for three fucking days.

[Natirasha]

Oh my, serrapaladin. Alright. Hopefully calmer minds prevail. tne is whatever to me.

[Natirasha]

Can someone point me to a game of slimer's town/scum? I have him down as extremely null at the moment, but I'm not about to policy lynch someone. I hate "metaing" people, but apparently it's all the rage anymore; so I guess I'll have to get hip and read things.

My association graph, btw, was between Om/mollie/Wisdom. I'm unsure how these last two pages effect it yet, and I'm actually starting to think I was chasing clouds with the whole idea. The gist to me was that I think Om/mollie are the same alignment and wisdom is the opposite alignment as them. I'm unsure how I came to that conclusion right now, though(my handwriting is...poor, to say the least).

[Natirasha]

You can't effectively meta someone you haven't played with, don't waste your time.

Thank you for this insightful comment, now someone from not the peanut gallery?

P-EDIT: Thanks, serra. Useful as usual

[Natirasha]

after reviewing the linked games from Serra, what I got out of it was...this game is more similar to his scum play than his town play, but only by the slightest of margins and I would rather not factor that into my decision...the whole wagon reeks of false-deadlineism and I'm not sure I like that. I think serra's heart is in the right place, but Bert is misguided and Lynx is just scummy. In other words, I'm tempted to go with Wisdom's judgment here.

Speaking of which, I had a fairly solid town read on Lynx up until #479, but this last page or so of interactions is making me think ill of her. These arguments from her are really bad and, I don't know the exact word, but like, pedantic? Weak? There's some word to describe them that is more fitting than those, but I can't think of it at the moment.

Considering we do have two days until deadline, I guess we should make up our mind here. I think I'm currently favoring fitz--he promised to "catch up tomorrow" six days ago and we haven't heard a peep from him since. I mean, we can just wait for a replacement, I guess, but if no one has any real suspects, I would rather go by Lynch All Lurkers and move on. My second choice at the moment is Lynx, then tne? I dunno. God, this game is annoying because everyone is this sort of awkward form of null.

[Natirasha]

Slimmer, don't omgus.

[Natirasha]

So we have 36 hours left and the deadline is somewhere in the middle of Sunday night, so we really need to get something done.

You guys are obviously intent on letting slimer play this sort of game, so I can only hope he'll replace out or something. I really don't have the tenacity to see this through. If he is scum and wins this, or if he's town and ends up getting mislynched in LyLo, I'll just need to avoid games with him, or better play with people I know don't fuck around with lynching lurkers and other anti-town play.

I mean, I'm sorry serra, but Slimer has done anything but lurk since his V/LA ended. While his contributions have been hit and miss since, to accuse him of lurking is patently wrong.

@DESP: Now, THAT is retarded.

[Natirasha]

I like his content in relation to Lynx. The rest is various shades of fluff-y, but I'm in no position to talk about fluffposting. I'd settle for Desperado due to the deadline, but I'm not particularly happy with the Lynx. My list hasn't really changed since my post yesterday--#1 Havingfitz #2 Lynx #3 Desp/tne/slimer/mollie #4 others.

I will agree that I refuse for a no lynch to happen and cast suspicion on anyone who wants one.

[Natirasha]

Sorry, Desp, ParadoxPrime all over again, huh?

VOTE: Desperado

[Natirasha]

Can we do a quick swap to mantis as today's lynch?

[Natirasha]

Fucking...I'm not letting a no lynch happen here. I'm not home yet(another hour will suffice), but I am watching the thread. VOTE: mantis. We have a little time still, come on guys.

[Natirasha]

If you don't want a no-lynch to happen, vote serra. wtf are you voting Mantis for?

Because we still have a few hours and I'm going to play the odds, since I think serra is town. If it comes to, I will swap to him, I guess. Ball's in Om's court most likely.

[Natirasha]

God dammit. Time for some bravado.

VOTE: Serrapaladin

Serra

: Please don't consider this vote against you via case. I think you are town and this lynch is being driven by scum. However, I refuse to allow a No Lynch to happen here. Rest assured, I will not let your death be in vain.

Bert

: I think you are the most townie of those in this game. I think you and I are on a similar wavelength at the moment, please don't betray my trust here.

The Town

: I have an idea, but it will only work if I can set it up in private with a player. I know this is a leap of both trust and speculation, but if there is a neighborizer, please speak to me tonight.

The Scum

: I'm Om to you.

For the first time this game, I have a clear plan of action on how to proceed. Despite getting very little done today, I think the town is in prime position for day two. Let's finalize this lynch and go, folks.

[Natirasha]

EBWOP: UNVOTE: I'll be here all night and holy shit I think we're on to something here.

[Natirasha]

fuck yeah, thanks mollie, I'm going to respond soon, but as I mentioned I didn't want to vote Serra, and VOTE: Mantis I shall.

[Natirasha]

WHAT the hell is this!? You're saying you'd rather lynch town than a nolynch. What kind of fuckery am I reading.

Unless it's 100% mod-confirmed, yes, I would rather lynch town than no lynch in most situations(things like MyLo are exceptions). Why? Because, quite frankly, all of these lynches are patchwork and have been made in the last like three days--there is a nonzero chance that either of them could be scum and I could be completely wrong in my reads. It isn't the first time I've believed a scum player that he's 100% town.

P-EDIT: Mollie, in this case, I'm thanking you because I believe serra is town more than Mantis and your vote swap means that I don't have to lynch him.

[Natirasha]

Slimer, I know you're there. Town Points for voting mantis.

[Natirasha]

I may not understand, but I guess I sort of see the whole aspect of lynching. But I still would rather get on a different wagon, than on the one that I think is town.

And no. I want Serra. I will accept nothing less.

If you do not understand, then you either need to spend some more time review basic game concepts or are scum. Last chance, you aren't getting a serra lynch with five hours to spare. Vote Mantis with us and do something useful.

[Natirasha]

Why are you reading town-Mantis. And, more importantly, have you considered that you might be wrong?

[Natirasha]

Why are you reading town-Mantis. And, more importantly, have you considered that you might be wrong?

Then why are you being so obstinant about lynching Mantis?

[Natirasha]

And no. I want Serra. I will accept nothing less.

Goddamn it, I should have hopped on your wagon when I had the chance...

Slimer, please. Talk to me here. Do you think that in the next four hours, enough people will show up online AND you'll be able to convince three of them to join the serra wagon?

[Natirasha]

If and when Serra flips scum, I formally give you the right to say I told you so. Happy?

And my first comment is more gallows humor than a serious accusation.

[Natirasha]

here

[Natirasha]

That I'm willing to hammer myself if it comes to it. I sincerely don't care who we lynch at this point as long as we lynch someone. I'm playing dota at the moment, so in-and-out.

[Natirasha]

Dotatime over.

Also, Wisdom, you're so obstinate.

[Natirasha]

Worst neighbors ever btw

[Natirasha]

With six people here, we have three options to lynch: Serra, mac, mantis. Let's keep between those three for now or we'll never get a lynch.

fitz is fine with me though.

[Natirasha]

With a lynch. So dumb, fuck you Slimer Mantis Wisdom.

[Natirasha]

Sorry just frustrated that we've hit an impasse

And we may lack firepower in numbers.. Scratch that, we do lack firepower

Stubbornness I'm seeing is also frustrating me

Bert, Serra-Nati-Bert town bloc? These last few pages have me convinced.

[Natirasha]

Is that really the only option here? Uggggh

[Natirasha]

Serra, I hate to say this, but I think No Lynch is best here...I don't want to lynch you or me, we won't get either neighbor lynched, ugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

-.- Hope there's a fucking cop or something to save us, that's how Epicmafia plays it.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Desperado

[Natirasha]

And you've been any better?

[Natirasha]

And you've been any better?

Excuse me? Do you see me voting a wagon without any hope?

Yes.

[Natirasha]

I will compromise on fitz, Mantis. VOTE: havingfitz

[Natirasha]

I dunno, Wisdom, you managed to make my wagon possible, fitz is perfectly possible.

[Natirasha]

Just like he knows town-Slimer, town-mollie, scum-serra and a thousand fucking other people in this game.

[Natirasha]

wow Mantis you're contributing to the no-lynch, good going.

WHAT FUCKING PART OF THERES NO TIME FOR FITZ DO YOU ALL NOT GET

holy shit!

i thought there was an option for it. >.>

I'm sorry, mantis. This is where you have to make a judgment call: listen to your neighbor or every other person in this thread.

[Natirasha]

See, Wisdom, one vote from you and L-1. Still not possible?

[Natirasha]

yes, alien.

And lol@Wisdom

[Natirasha]

"scum driven wagon" -> Proposed by your NEIGHBOR

DUMBASS

[Natirasha]

Aye.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Wisdom

Om, Serra, let's do this shit. Town bloc it up!

[Natirasha]

EBWOP: Mantis and Bert, you can come too.

[Natirasha]

What? I was not scum-reading Serra. I think I actually said that he was my closest ally. As for you, I had some time over the night...I had a change of heart.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Natirasha

Listen guys. We were fucking LUCKY that havingfitz flipped SK, but that does not change what happened. Read what happened at the end of the day. Natirasha is scum. And most likely so is serra. That wagon was created by scum, it can't be more obvious than what it already is.

I find this statement humorous.

[Natirasha]

I believe if they're neighbors, then one of them is probably town and the other isn't. In another way, I think Wisdom is scum therefore Mantis is more likely town.

[Natirasha]

And, yeah, the neighbors are Wisdom-Mantis. I'm unclaimed at this point in time. I never once have utilized the neighbors in a confirming way. In fact, I think I said yesterday that I was skeptical of the whole neighbors claim. Although I believe their telling the truth today, my assumption is the post right above.

[Natirasha]

I believe if they're neighbors, then one of them is probably town and the other isn't. In another way, I think Wisdom is scum therefore Mantis is more likely town.

Look at the scum trying to make forced conclusions without any basis. We're both town, I know you don't like it, but that's how it is.

It's completely possible I'm wrong. That alone should say more than what you've said.

[Natirasha]

I don't know, I just have a feeling with your opening today

Then let's discuss. What do you find curious about my actions and I will describe my rational.

In my opening, it was an extension of the conclusion that Om and I came to yesterday: In the face of a deadline NL, Wisdom refused to vote for havingfitz on the fact that it was a wagon that "Was made to get me and serra out of getting lynched". This was despite the fact his neighbor was the first person on the wagon, he had expressed his doubts on havingfitz before, and

we were facing down a fucking deadline lynch.

I completely understand not voting for himself and I can justify not voting for his neighbor. But for a completely random that hadn't posted a single word, come on.

[Natirasha]

This was despite the fact his neighbor was the first person on the wagon, he had expressed his doubts on havingfitz before, and we were facing down a fucking deadline lynch.

The first people on the wagon were you and serra. Mantis had just expressed her wish for such a wagon, just like I had done before Mantis.

Hm...You're right. My apologies.

[Natirasha]

I apologize for the bipolar attitude nats

No worries, I understand that there were a lot of posts at the end of yesterday and names/faces can get mixed up. You figured that mess all out, though, which is what really matters.

[Natirasha]

'Sup, Om. You still feeling the blood pact?

[Natirasha]

Oh, no, let's not get this wrong,

there is a small possibility you are town

. I just find it highly unlikely.

[Natirasha]

I'm going to bed, folks. I better not miss all the fun when I wake up.

[Natirasha]

So...are you saying you agree with Wisdom's argument, Desperado, or is there some other reason?

[Natirasha]

Alright. I can respect that line. What do you make of Wisdom's refussal to vote havingfitz?

[Natirasha]

So, would me being town make you think Wisdom is scum?

[Natirasha]

Okay.

[Natirasha]

Natirasha, you townread serra, yes?
Answer 932.

I townread serra from his first post to the end. I can't explain why he did it, and it indeed is a point I'd like to hear from the source itself.

[Natirasha]

That is a telling point and is, admittedly, the one thing I don't quite understand myself, Desperado.

[Natirasha]

(RE: the "what does scumWis hope to gain from doing what he did?")

[Natirasha]

Mantis: "Can we settle on a havingfitz lynch"
Natirasha: "Okay. Vote: Havingfitz"
Serra: "Vote: havingfitz"
was the full line iirc.

[Natirasha]

And note I did vote for Serra at one point in time, but got bitched out for that too. Then we decided to push Mantis, he claimed, we back off. I didn't want to vote serra, but the wagon derails without my help. Everyone except Serra moves onto me, Om says vote who he[Serra] wants, I join him on Desp(who I otherwise don't have strong feelings on). We have a fun little conversation where you try to say that, despite Mantis being at L-1 with intent to hammer stated, it was a wagon that was never going to happen. Mantis suggests the middleman of havingfitz, which appeases all parties except you because in your twisted logic, we're apparently super scum who are looking for a scapegoat as opposed to what the lynch actually was--a compromise by two mutually exclusive parties. Om and I do our little dialogue.

The only question I am confused by is that I don't think you'd be dumb enough to do something like that as scum...which makes you town...and that makes our candidate pool very, very small...hm...let me think on this a sec.

[Natirasha]

Yeah of course I am town now, Natirasha. When you fail in trying to get someone mislynched, try to buddy him instead.
No.

Please note that I did not remove my vote for a reason. Rest assured, I still think you're scum.

[Natirasha]

Wisdom, that is a blatant misrepresentation of the events. The Mantis lynch was far more developed that the Serra lynch.

There was a point where he was at L-1 and P_A had intent to hammer

. In any case, the first people on the Mantis wagon were Bert and havingfitz, we merely joined it because we did not like a Serra lynch and there appeared to be support for a Mantis wagon. Guess what, there was(see italics). It is not scummy to not want to lynch someone you think is town when there are other options available.

[Natirasha]

Me, you, Serra. Bert & hf were on the lynch beforehand.

[Natirasha]

Quick question to anyone who's played a mara game before. We expecting an SK+3 scum or SK+2 scum?

@mollie: Go reread the beginning of today and tell me what you think of potato-hydra?

I agree with the fact that we have some serious lurker scum--I sort of suspect that everyone(besides Wisdom...) who is talking right now is probably town.

[Natirasha]

Ha ha. You got me.

Um, so anyone who has played a MALA game before, we expecting SK+3 or SK+2?

[Natirasha]

I know, my question was in response to that statement.

[Natirasha]

I know, my question was in response to that statement.

did you really expect it to change in that very short time?

It was a request. I have no expectations, but I do request that you reread the first two pages of the day.

[Natirasha]

Because I cannot see how the fuck serra would do that as town.

Then, by this logic, why am I scum?

[Natirasha]

Because I cannot see how the fuck serra would do that as town.

Then, by this logic, why am I scum?

serra was okay with almost any wagon - Mantis, macmollie, Desperado, havingfitz - but not yours. If he is scum, why specifically not want your wagon but want anyone else's?

Perhaps he thought I was gullible(I had been on his side since his first post) and having a townie in your pocket is good?

[Natirasha]

I think at this point we need to hear from Serra.

[Natirasha]

I think at this point we need to hear from Serra.

[Natirasha]

Natirasha, do you have any reasons for scumreading me other than what happened at the end of the day? If not, do you not find my explanation good enough?

Truthfully, no, not really. Up until the events at the end of yesterday, I had you mostly down as null. I had written down in my notebook that you were likely the opposite alignment of Potato, though, but for the life of me I cannot remember why I came to that conclusion. That said, I dedicated to a plan of action and decided to pursue it. Do we agree that your actions at the end of yesteray could be perceived as scummy?

[Natirasha]

Alright. Kill me now if I'm wrong, but there is a whole cast of people who are dangerously silent and I think they need a bit more prodding. We can pick this up later if need be.

UNVOTE: for now.

[Natirasha]

tne hates mollie. I have mollie down as pretty strong town at the moment. The Desperado thing is interesting(I missed it), I want to hear more from that duo. Otherwise, I had him as minor scum and was on the periphery throughout Deadlinestravaganza yesterday(I mention three times that tne is like my third pick for a lynch). It wasn't a strong scum feeling, but he fits the profile of lurkerscum to a T.

Penguin_Alien...I find more difficult. Doesn't post much, but what is there is actually, you know, useful. Lurker town would be my guess, but it's my worst read in the game.

[Natirasha]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I like tne as scum.

[Natirasha]

itt desp makes me lose my faith in humanity

penguin restores it

we are good as long as you dummies don't lynch her

Yup, +1'ing this post.

[Natirasha]

Don't worry, it's not very good.

VOTE: thenewearth

[Natirasha]

In other news, new fancy counterwagon so serra does not get scrutiny. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

Trust me, I won't let this day end before Serra can have his turn with you. You never did give me your thoughts on tne though.

[Natirasha]

Desp's been pretty solidly aligned with whoever is against me at all points in the game.

And, mollie, I'm not lynching Potato today. Talk to me tomorrow, maybe, but today hell no.

[Natirasha]

For the record, after the last 10 pages of discussion, these are my revised reads.

Strong Town-Me, Potato, mollie, penguin
Weak Town-Wisdom, Bert
The Phantom Zone-Serra, Mantis
Weak Scum-Desp, Slimer
Strong Scum-TNE

[Natirasha]

Hey, you got the top of the page this time.

[Natirasha]

A Desp/TNE/Slimer team would be too easy. But, again, how many scum are we even trying to find?

[Natirasha]

@I have no prior experience with literally anyone in this game except Mara. My "too easy" comment was more saying that, if they're the scum team, we got this game in the bag. TNE has opened himself up to these accusations...he has done very little. I could certainly see any of the three being town(especially Desp), but like, TNE makes the most sense out of all of them. Noobiness? Maybe, I don't know.

@Setups: Although I am the setup master supreme, my games have a lot more...eccentricity to them. My most popular game was 3 scum+benevolent SK. My most well-known game involved an SK, a 3-man scumteam, a cult and a survivor variant in a 13p game...From what I've seen, this game is very vanilla in it's execution, which points towards either a 3-man goonsquad or a 2-man with powers.

[Natirasha]

Hey, Serra, I ain't abandoning you just yet. I am required to defend myself and view the evidence, though.

[Natirasha]

Nati, what's wrong with the interpretation that we're both town?

Nothing. He asked me a question with a specific premise("why would scum serra refuse to vote me if I was town?") And I answered given the premise.

[Natirasha]

You still think Desp is scum, Wisdom?

[Natirasha]

So, Serra and Mantis are bussing hard then?

[Natirasha]

Finally calmed down here. Lots of posts, content less so. Brain tired, gonna sheep Wisdom and the hydras for now. VOTE: mantis.

[Natirasha]

Serra, friend, he's looking pretty town right now.

And in any case, its more the hydras that I'm sheeping than wisdom.

[Natirasha]

Oh mistook Bert for you, sorry.

[Natirasha]

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Penguin_Alien

You better not be wrong on this, Wisdom.

[Natirasha]

I think we'll know more about Desp after another night, Om. It probably is inefficient to kill him today.

[Natirasha]

Nati, what are you on about again? I think at some point we need to talk about this and your neighbouriser thing yesterday...

That offer is still up. I refuse to disclose details on why I said that. Trust.

[Natirasha]

I gave up on trying to analyze stuff ages ago'

Baaaa~

[Natirasha]

Little as I like Nat's (presumably pretending to be) flipping a coin to vote between me and Desperado, followed by vaguely telling Wisdom that he'd better be right, it's the only anti-town thing I've seen from him recently. So Nat, do you think he's right on either of his reads, or are you just pretending to go along with him so if he gets me lynched and is shown to be wrong, you have a reason to push him?

Yes, 100% the second one. Go reread our discussion at the beginning of the day. I came to the conclusion Wisdom's head is in the right place. I have been busy with the beginning of the semester this weekend, hadn't put too much thought into the game. So I decided to trust Wisdom here and move on.

[Natirasha]

I actually don't know. Desp is more dangerous if scum, though.

[Natirasha]

ohboyherewegoagain.jpg

[Natirasha]

You and your moving jpg sorcery.

[Natirasha]

Kill P_A. He thinks I'm scum. This is important.

[Natirasha]

Bert, vote Penguin again.

Trust me.

[Natirasha]

Alright, Bert. Let me settle. I have a bunch of games right now and this one is on the backburner. I think it's mostly solved, but I'm letting others do the legwork.

I trust Wisdom right now.

[Natirasha]

I want people to stop being apathetic and start posting. I'm willing to shut up for a while so that they do so.

Sorry, this game just kinda stalled and I have other stupid games to keep up with. Like I said, I think we have the scumteam for the most part--it's just a matter of formally lynching them. I'll kill Desp/Mantis/Penguin. Just pick one.

[Natirasha]

really Nat? you think i'm bussing both my scum partners, while being on verge on lynch myself??

Okay, there was little thought into that statement, I admit.

[Natirasha]

Sure, why not? VOTE: Desperado

[Natirasha]

WAFFLES

WAFFLES ON EVERYONE

I never liked waffles.

[Natirasha]

I see that you guys have managed to lynch a SK day 1.

lol

It bodes well that I'm surrounded by such highly skilled scum hunters.

I really hope this is a backhanded compliment.

However, if someone would like to give me a short rundown on who's what and what's going on, I would appreciate it greatly.

Potato, macmollie, Wisdom, Bert & I are the 'town bloc' at the moment.
Mantis & Wisdom are neighbors. Wisdom is Castle, Mantis his daughter.
Penguin refused to claim at L-1.
We've come to a relative standstill.

[Natirasha]

The fun part, FakeGod, is that your very consistent with your own reads.

TNE_scum

Trying to justify a no lynch on day one is terrible. Like, if there is ANY day you don't want to NL, it's that one. It leaves you nowhere to go on day two except a dead townie. I said a few things about NLing day one, yes, but it was mostly out of Wisdom spite and because I refuse to hang myself. We had no way of letting fitz claim, considering he hadn't posted FOR SIX FUCKING DAYS BEFORE DEADLINE. You're interpretation of day's end sucks.

Lynch scumread > Lynch null > NL > Lynch townread.

We lynched null.

Thanks for invigorating me, though. The waffling was terrible. VOTE: FakeGod.

[Natirasha]

The fun part, FakeGod, is that your very consistent with your own reads.

TNE_scum

What do you mean here?

Who is TNE?

[Natirasha]

That was the implication to my little koan, yes.

[Natirasha]

Nat, again, what did you mean there?

He called himself scum.

[Natirasha]

Hm. So he did. Oh well.

[Natirasha]

Yes.

[Natirasha]

He's a shrewd one. If I'm wrong, lynch me tomorrow, Wisdom, okay?

[Natirasha]

Wtf is this shit now, Natirasha? Why would I lynch you if you are wrong? And why is FakeGod scum?

I have to go to class at the moment, but I will come back to this later. I hate to pull this excuse, but at the moment, it comes down to

I have my reasons

. My posts might have been in haste, but I'm 90% certain FakeGod is scum.

[Natirasha]

Thanks wisdom.

I'm actually having second thoughts on Serra-town right now.

But FakeGod is who I want to lynch today.

[Natirasha]

I'm actually having second thoughts on Serra-town right now.

Why?

That last post of his was...kinda weird. I dunno.

I also like FakeGod's last post. Let me think a sec.

[Natirasha]

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

[Natirasha]

ALRIGHT

WE GOING TO THE FIGHT PITS

YOUR DEAD FAKEGOD

[Natirasha]

I would like it if we didn't go to deadline this time.

[Natirasha]

Please join the team, Potato.

[Natirasha]

Natirasha I'm starting to feel bad about you again.

I'm sorry. If it's any consolation, I have put less than zero thought into this game recently.

What was weird about serra's last post?

I don't know. His "that's not a good replace in" is the sort of post that is non-committal enough to be null, but also in alliance with the primary members of the town to be just not suspicious enough. It's nothing definitive, sure, but it's enough to give me pause.

What is your current read on FakeGod and why?

Scum. His 1v1 me bro statement took me back a little, but I rolled the dice and the dice agrees with me. Mac's statement on AtE(while I disagree with the notion that AtE=scum) also gave me the bravado needed.

Are you on board for a Desp lynch?

Yes, but I'm currently locked in a fight to the death with FakeGod. I call dibs on hammer.

[Natirasha]

Realize I'm town yet?

[Natirasha]

I need the potato hydra to answer this question for me: yes or no?

[Natirasha]

Nope, its a simple yes or no. Take your time. I figured that I wouldn't use the dice twice in a row.

[Natirasha]

Nat wins the 1v1 vs FakeGod and would get my vote <3

Awesome, glad to have you onboard.

And thanks, Potato.

[Natirasha]

Sup, so FakeGod, if not scum is retarded.

I'm just going to claim now, ugh. Good play, scum.

He's right, I'm a cop with a 'not mafia' on potato. I chose him last night because I had my doubts about him and was expecting to lynch wisdom today. If you don't believe me, go back and read my iso, I've literally been crumbing it since minute one.

If FakeGod is town, he doesnt know how to play with power roles.

I would lynch desperado prob. I was planning to investigate him tonight, but OH WELL.

[Natirasha]

In any case, if I somehow live the night and don't get role blocked, I'm investigating one of {Serra, Despite, Penguin}.

[Natirasha]

Maybe, maybe not. I admit I became a little too obvious with my words on desperado, but ]I]you don't tell scum that shit[/I].

I suspect that we have you trapped, and you and your scummates don't have day talk, and their the lurky types that might miss my soft claiming.

I didn't respond immediately BTW because I'm at work.

[Natirasha]

I will get this lynch if it means my death, Bert. Sorry for the rocky start--we cool?

[Natirasha]

Penguin caught it, Mac.

That's why her votes on me.

[Natirasha]

Nah, my play has been bad today. I went into day two with a specific idea('lynch Wisdom'). Then he proved himself town. I kinda stopped caring.

Kinda funny too, in my five years here, this is the first time I've ever rolled cop I think.

And, on why I would 1v1? I know I have the fact I'm a cop to fall back on. Its easy to 1v1 when you fixed the dice.

[Natirasha]

Sorry, people had been tight-lipped about me. I assume half them knew as after the desperado post, with you+Wisdom+macmollie after my opening today. My yes or no question to you was me asking if I should claim. In any case, working with the assumption FakeGod is scum, he just told his scum buddies who to kill after he died. I figured I'd make sure we were all on the same page.

And, actually, you noticed my dice, FakeGod. It signifies more about our playstyles than you think.

Hey, Cabd, I know you're stalking me, remind me to discuss with you after this game is over.

[Natirasha]

I'm a high-risk, high-reward player, FakeGod. My dice rolling is a part of that. That's where then disconnect is.

[Natirasha]

Yes, I know. But don't think I won't judge you by it. The dice aren't always right, but their right enough.

[Natirasha]

And I am Meredith, for whatever that matters. I know just as little as fakegod about this theme.

[Natirasha]

Ah, Wisdom, King of Neutrality.

[Natirasha]

On a scale of zero to 100%, how positive are you of each of our alignments?

[Natirasha]

It was a foregone conclusion that I would lynch you today. Support was there. I chose Potato because they were also near the top of my scum radar but were slightly out of the picture. I don't like to use my skills on the obvious targets.

[Natirasha]

At the end of day one, support was there for a Wisdom lynch based on your obtuseness at deadline. You were a scumread and I figured you'd die. Might as well work on my other scumreads, like Potato.

[Natirasha]

Eh, I don't think I have, though. Id go check myself but even i have better things to do than vanity search my name for every game ive ever played. That was more of an unrelated anecdote than anything. I've played tracker numerous times. I mean, my play is clearly suboptimal this game, but whatever. I've been fairly bored most of the game, although I've quite enjoyed these tet a tets with you and FakeGod.

[Natirasha]

It is a possible excuse, yes, but what of it? It doesn't change anything I said? My play has been weak on day two(my day one play, however, was solid, I think).

Is recklessness a scum trait to you, Wisdom? I think that is what it comes down to.

[Natirasha]

It is fairly unrelated, but it is also a possible excuse. Its one of those statements of ambiguity that work either way. For what its worth, I never intended to use it as an excuse-it actually was a random musing when I first said it. You gave it a life of its own and turned it into an excuse, which I acknowledge it can be used for. I know this is a cop out answer, but like, I'm the one who plays the mind games here not you.

[Natirasha]

I apologize, that came off more smug than I thought.

[Natirasha]

I understand his perspective on play as the cop. I disagree with it on philosophical grounds, but it is a defensible position.

I would be willing to lynch Penguin over him. Maybe Desp, but my worry there is that Desp is actually useful if town. I'd rather try to get an investigation in.

Now, as to asking if he'd try to lynch a claimed cop on day two as scum. I think the answer is yes. He already did his job--got me to claim.

For the love of god, I need to reign in my play. I'm starting to sound like Saki.

[Natirasha]

Also, how is Desp useful? He has done nothing useful in 81 pages sDeal r.

He's a shrewd guy. He's provided a contrarian view consistently throughout the game. Both of those are good things to have in your town.

I have a decent amount of respect for Desp's skill. Don't misunderstand me, though, I think he can be scum here--you wouldn't have to take much to convince me to put the hammer down on him.

[Natirasha]

I believe Bert as well.

[Natirasha]

Sup, serra, I just checked up on TVTropes for Castle a little.

What do you find more surprising: Meredith as cop or Beckett as VT(see: Lynx)?

Just caught up, btw. Serra, thanks for restoring some amount of faith in you. Desp, you're pretty fucking scummy.

To answer your earlier question, Wisdom, I'm reserving my judgment on FakeGod right now.

Huntress can die too.

[Natirasha]

Penguin is an allowed death. I'd rather save my investigations for high-profile targets(Serra/Desp).

[Natirasha]

Serra claimed as well.

[Natirasha]

Not lynching Mollie today wisdom.

Go back to penguin.

[Natirasha]

Guys

We have three days left.

How about we actually lynch someone instead of waffling, okay?

VOTE: Huntress.

[Natirasha]

Oh, Serra, I have no flavor behind the role.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Desperado

Bull fucking shit you're tracker. Your hammer yesterday was dumb as hell.

I was, however, roleblocked last night. 'sup.

[Natirasha]

I targetted macmollie/wayegg though.

[Natirasha]

Partly that, partly the odd replacement.

Serra, he claims to get the lynch. Then, tomorrow, they kill me and "roleblock" him or some shit. I never should have trusted you.

FakeGod, I'm not even going to deign to talk to you because you're scum too.

Waynegg, thank you for being town btw.

[Natirasha]

I'm legit cop. No modifiers.

[Natirasha]

Desp, Serra, FakeGod is the scum team.

I understand that a "not mafia" result does not imply town, but with the SK dead, I figure that this game probably doesn't have 5 anti-town roles. It could though.

@Serra: To get a lynch on someone who's death doesn't reveal any setup info! Killing me or Potato confirms my claim. Bert is too town, penguin is just a lurker. Waynegg...I'm not too sure.

Well, if mantis flips town, we lynch desp and know that we can trust nati. I seriously don't see how that would be a good scum tactic though.

No. We kill me or Desp today. Then you can choose to believe me or Desp. This whole idea suggests scum to me.

[Natirasha]

Killing Potato doesn't confirm shit.

No, we kill mantis today.

It gives credence to my claim. And, no. If you believe Desp, then your vote should be on me.

[Natirasha]

Killing Potato doesn't confirm shit.

No, we kill mantis today.

It gives credence to my claim. And, no. If you believe Desp, then your vote should be on me.

You're tomorrow's lynch.

You're scum, too, so w/e man.

[Natirasha]

Serra, Desp would claim tracker today because he's the prime suspect from yesterday. By claiming a power role like tracker, he can postpone his lynch a day, get a free lynch, and possibly even discredit me.

I find it suspicious that he's a Tracker. Has he done any crumbing at all?

[Natirasha]

Not leaving crumbs isn't suspicious.

It does, however, lend credence to claims.

[Natirasha]

Not leaving crumbs isn't suspicious.

It does, however, lend credence to claims.

No it doesn't. Scum are just as capable of crumbing as town.

Why are you so desperate for towncred?

Why do you think I'm desperate for towncred?

[Natirasha]

Nati, if desp is scum, do you think he came up with leaving you alive and claim a guilty?

I could see any of you, FakeGod, or Desp bringing that idea up.

Given what she did next I have no idea why you think that can't be distancing

@ Nat: You're basically saying "crumbing = town, no crumbing = scum" when you crumbed and I didn't. It isn't even subtle.

Sup, "what I did next"? Like, you know, run up my supposed scumbuddy to L-1 with intent to hammer on the table?

Crumbing has nothing to do with scumminess-you brought your own grave on that--but it does give credence to claims. I was crumbing from day one. Yes, scum can crumb too, but do you deny that it makes you believe a claim any more?

@Serra: I'm willing to bus as scum. Sadly, I don't have any usable completed games as scum to bring up. I wouldn't run my scumbuddy up to L-1 on a deadline lynch, though. That's dumb.

[Natirasha]

Desp

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5235175

Bert unvotes next, then Lynx the post after.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on crumbs.

[Natirasha]

Also, you knew Mantis would be able to claim neighbor with Wisdom and dodge the lynch, so I'm really not concerned with your behavior there

I didn't give a fuck if he was a neighbor. I distinctly asked Wisdom to lynch Mantis multiple times after the claim.

[Natirasha]

You make sense to me! The tracker comment was a bit odd, otherwise A+ contributions.

[Natirasha]

Right, a position that you knew would never gain any traction. Until now anyway.

Then why didn't I lynch serra?

[Natirasha]

Nati is scum, probably mafia cop, seeing that there was a SK.

Sup, why would I claim mafia/not mafia results if I was a scum cop looking for an SK?

[Natirasha]

Nati is scum, probably mafia cop, seeing that there was a SK.

Sup, why would I claim mafia/not mafia results if I was a scum cop looking for an SK?

Lemme guess: as a mafia cop, you probably get "town" or "not town" for your results, and you said "not mafia" on potato for towncred.

There is no reason to change my results like that. And a "town" result is much more towncred than a "not mafia" result.

[Natirasha]

I believe Nat <3

Said that oodles of times lately, gut read on Mara is town

Have most experience with Mara, she's been in lots or my games, I've even been scum with her before

Then let's hear out her explanation for the "NOT SCUM" result which is usually indicative of third party, yes?

I don't know where you're going with this, bro.

I get results of either mafia or not mafia. We know there was an SK in the game. By default, it's probably just in place to make the SK have investigation immunity.

[Natirasha]

Why would a cop of either alignment want to out themselves day two with just an inno?

[Natirasha]

Are you sure? Every time I've asked any mod what results a cop get they always say innocent, not scum, and guilty. Have you checked for clarification?

Yes. I get results of mafia not-mafia. The way mods confirm investigative roles is different from mod to mod and game to game.