Newbie 1419 - GAME OVER

[Shiidaji]

Supsup, you can call me Shii, reading through this tonight.

[Shiidaji]

Notes as I go

Spoiler: read

RVS reads:
Gaiden townish, the eagerness to post first that strongly doesn't make me feel newscum.
notscience townish as well, I feel making a first post that is relevant to someone you already know means you're comfortable with what you're posting, i.e. townvibes.
Titus null SE talk
mail-mi scummish, the 'guize' feels forced and faked. I haven't seen anyone use that way of typing in in years. Admittedly it's already stupid since it's a self-vote but that doesn't redeem the tone of the post.
Verbs null
JKM had a similar thought process to myself regarding Mail's selfvote, so I automatically think he's relatively town.
Considering mail's experience mentioned in 15, I'd have expected him to have voted someone after the unvote, doesn't change my read.
Titus looks a little worse off, the parenthesis in 16 feel like an afterthought added to make his previous statement more inoffensive
17 he redeems himself though, that feels like something that comes from town regarding PRs, scum wouldn't have that on their minds yet (They'd prefer a possible mail!PR screwing up somehow)
notscience and Gaiden townreads strengthen

As of the beginning of page 2, mail-mi has failed to attempt to create content, which while I would understand coming from a newbie, reflects badly on him a.a.r of him having experience.
JKM continues to follow my train of thought down the page, strengthened town read.
Verbs still tastes null.
Titus mentioning FoS's puts him down to scummish again, as at that point he hadn't mentioned any suspicions at all yet, which indicates a lack of searching for them.

@Gaiden

- in post 33 you mentioned you thought of it being a WIFOM situation - About when did this idea occur to you, thread-wise?

@Gaiden

- If you've never dealt with it, why did you suspect Mail of WIFOM?

asked by Titus, nvm

@Brian

- How much experience do you have with Mafia?
reserving Brian read till answer

answered

Verbs is asking for opinions which reflects nicely as a newbie
Gaiden's attitude regarding WIFOM strengthens my townread on her still, her thought process when she said 'I never had to deal with WIFOM' is sensible, since she's only played as scum before.

End of page 2 and Mail read is the same, see above, he lacks deliverance after his supposed 'content creation'.

Brian doesn't have much Mafia experience, so the earlier role related questions probably aren't faked. If he was a Goon/RB he'd probably at least have some awareness of what's going on in the setup, so light townread as from what I can tell so far he doesn't seem savvy enough to fake that.
Disagree with JKM & notscience, I didn't see much buddying behaviour, not to mention that is an outdated scumtell

and

that Titus is an SE. Titus votes at this point aren't bad though, just for other reasons.
Dislike Titus's 58, he should have mentioned the above ^^^ as a counter to the buddying accusation, not attack someone off his wagon.
61 from Mail furthers my scumread, he's done jack-all at this point, three days into the game, this isn't town motivation from an 'experienced' player.
Gaiden's random chip-ins are starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth, lowers my townread some.
I liked Verbs's pressure on Mail until I realized Verbs still has his old Titus vote on him, doesn't feel good and a possible buddy association with either of those two, though I might be getting ahead of myself.

@Titus

- post 73 - Why not just up and vote Notscience at that point? You already declared your suspicion of him. It just comes across as meek and spineless.

Verbs's thought process w/r/t Titus on top of Page 4 is good, however his nipping at Mail earlier still makes me feel bad.
Titus isn't redeeming himself. As a whole, scum like to latch onto specific, singular things without looking at the big picture in order to simplify their manufactured scumhunting/make their jobs easier, this feels like this behavior.
Nacho will take me some time to read, but he saw what I saw on Verbs so that's a good sign.

Titus

- by post 84, what did you make of notscience's push on you? What is your read on Verbs?
Liking Brian more w/r/t his attitude.

Questions for Gaiden and Titus inside the spoiler, I'm caught up.
Nice townreads on notscience and JKM, and I feel Gaiden and Brian are almost as high as them too. Nacho and Verbs in the gray, with Titus and Mail being my scumreads.

Vote: Mail

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@ notscience - what about Nacho makes you think he was scum, from that small sample?

If you are talking about the supposed gambit, then I disagree. I feel like the "gambit" benefits the town more because it acts as a catalyst for

discussion. This discussion

is crucial in getting any reads off of other members. Also, it may help the town from lynching possible town power roles. Furthermore, unnecessary attention and scum-like moves can make the mafia more distrustful.

Have you noticed Mail do anything with said discussion?

@ Nacho What do you think of a Verbs-Mail scumteam? Verbs-Titus? Everyone else can answer this too tbh but I want Nacho's opinion foremost.

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Brian, it's practical and almost expected due to site-meta to always have a vote down on one of your scumreads - Perhaps if you vote Mail with me he will be encouraged to actually post content.

(Irrelevant: What is your avatar from?)

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And what is it that they gain? Attention?

here's my thought process, which is what you are really interested in i'm guessing.

the gambit's positives: generates discussion, makes people takes sides.
negatives: pressure has been almost entirely on mail, allows scum to avoid pressure by taking a safe/easy opinion on the gambit, if scum avoids the first lynch it makes things easier on them in the later game.

3 > 2, so that is why i've been saying that the gambit is more scummy than town.

In 97 your wording implied that there was

no

town benefit to the gambit - why did this change?
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Oh, I don't think Nacho's scum yet.

Then do something useful with your vote, as he clearly isn't responding to your pressure.
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Titus, answer the questions directed at you in my spoiler.

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Actually, different approach: Mail, can you post some reads? Who you think is scum/town, why, the like. What have you gathered from the aftermath of your self-vote?

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He clearly isn't responding to the pressure I'm totally placing on him by nakedvoting him because he's totally posted since said vote

Why are you worried about votes on Nacho's slot?

I'm not worried, you're just being useless when you could be being useful. Nacho posted after the vote.

mail-verbs doesn't make much sense as a scumteam. Titus-Verbs would make a little more sense, but

I have a townread on Titus at the moment

so I don't favor it much.

From what?
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@Brian and Nacho, consider this:
Verbs is pushing for a lynch of Titus. Meanwhile, he's been actively pushing suspicion on Mail as well, in essentially all of his posts through 111. In 85 he even mentions Mail is a bigger scumread, yet he retains his initial rvs vote on Titus all the way throughout. I feel this shows a split motivation, as town!Verbs should logically have his stronger scumreads as a higher priority for votes, over his less-explained weaker ones. The disconnect here could mean that scum!Mail is interacting with a buddy while throwing attention elsewhere at the same time, or bussing.
Thinking about it again though, I mentioned buddy associations earlier, but we're still in a relatively early stage of the game, so that can be sussed out later. I can see the above being a sensible relational tell from either of Verbs+Titus/Mail, but I need to hear more from Mail to solidify my opinion of him.

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And what is it that they gain? Attention?

here's my thought process, which is what you are really interested in i'm guessing.

the gambit's positives: generates discussion, makes people takes sides.
negatives: pressure has been almost entirely on mail, allows scum to avoid pressure by taking a safe/easy opinion on the gambit, if scum avoids the first lynch it makes things easier on them in the later game.

3 > 2, so that is why i've been saying that the gambit is more scummy than town.

Reading through this again, I dislike how quantified the logic is here. Did you think through these and say to yourself 'Okay, this and this makes it town, but this, this and this makes it scummy, they are all equally valued in terms of scummyness/townyness.'?
Scumtells and towntells aren't things you can measure up on a scale that gets tipped over when there's a majority on one side, is what I'm saying.

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Hammering would be really fun right now, but I want some more out of this day, specifically anything resembling Mail content. Further comments on the game from Nacho and JKM would be appreciated too.

Other thoughts for when I get home tonight, super busy.

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Reading up, returned home late last night.

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Shii, you don't know how I work.

I'm not a clear, concise, detailed and methodical person

I wing things

I like meta

Oh, I know your kind of player ns, but even your type has a clear thought process with their actions that can be explained later - Winging things doesn't work if you can't. You say you picked up on something from my response to the Nacho vote - Elaborate. Just because

you

play in the vein of Fate doesn't mean we do, and if you start explaining things we can work together much better. What have you picked up on Nacho from him ignoring you?
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My titus scumread is dissipating a little bit, moving to nullscum as I like his responses to notscience at the end of page 6, 140 in particular has me re-thinking, I feel townvibes coming from that smiley use.
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Post 111 (the infamous "3 > 2" post) is posted entirely from the assumption that m-m is town, yet tries to paint m-m as scum for it. Also the post analyses whether or not the gambit is good for town, not whether or not it comes from a scummy mindset.
Verbs is scum, let's lynch.

I don't see that logic, I only see my version of the argument. Don't really like your argument, but we agree on Verbs, I suppose. Not sure I like this slot as much anymore.
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Gaiden townread has dropped to null at the bottom of page 6, I get a general feeling of activity from him but I don't 'FEEL' him being that townish anymore.
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i don't agree that post111 is assuming that mail is town, i wrote it to list the positives and the negatives that the gambit has on the game. im using positives here to distinguish things that help the town, whereas negatives are things that help the mafia team. why do you think that i am scum? is it because of the first sentence of the above quoted section? because if so i don't understand where you found an assumption within that post that you mention and without that assumption i don't see how you reach the conclusion that i am scum.

Nacho, Here's the thing about Verbs, and what I was stressing:

He listed positives and negatives of the gambit, then instead of showing a logical thought process of reasoning out which side is heavier, he simply put 3 > 2. That's a perfect way to do something you want as scum, considering how easy it is to just add/remove reasoning to suit you. Say he just pulled two more reasons of his ass to make it 3 < 4, he just as easily could have painted Mail as town, with little to no effort. I don't feel town would come up with this method of deciding on who is scummy and who isn't, do you get what I'm saying?
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Shiidaji - what "further comments" would you like? Just because I haven't made a post that consolidates all my thoughts, I'd be surprised if you couldn't figure out where I stood with most people.

More content to read you off of in general, since upon rereading I wavered on my read of you.
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@Titus

Although, my new analysis of the gambit gives you a slight town read instead of the initial scum-read I had earlier.

I'm inexperienced, my original reads don't mean jack.

SE voice:

Do not qualify something by lack of experience. Seasoned players will do that anyway and you've given players a reason to ignore you. Sometimes new players get it right, sometimes new players get it wrong.

I apologize. I didn't mean for you guys to ignore my initial reads. I just wanted for you to realize that my current reads may have changed considerably since then.

This is a good example of why Brian is town, I feel. He has malleable reads, that's especially important as a newbie since newscum would be afraid of suddenly changing their opinion, thinking it would attract attention.
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Verbs, do you have a claim for us? Or do you believe it is too early for you to claim? You are at L-1 after all.

Despite my above posting about Titus, this still feels pretty slimy, especially considering Titus is an SE. Early asking for claims on page 7, even in a newbie, isn't something I can say has ever crossed my mind whenever I'm town.
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notscience, I take you as an aggressive player. If this is true why are you so sensitive about early lynches? I'm not a fan of them either, but you're extremely vocal about it and it feels strange coming from you, it's not like we're

actually

going to quicklynch shit.
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If you read closely you'll see I actually want him lynched, but you know, procedure and all...

: )
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I already gave him heat, because both of you wanting a claim and a hammer this early is mad as hell.

How you all are "confident" he's scum is beyond me, especially given his activity.

Hell, we don't even have a formal reads list from him.

Yes, he is scummy.

No, he shouldn't be lynched this fast.

@The bolded, aren't you a guy who 'wings' it? Tell me about your playstyle again, I thought that you're the type to trust your gut instincts, where'd the bravado go?

@Nacho sunset, please look up and tell me what you think.
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Nacho, Brian,

what do you think about Gaiden? notscience?
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Find myself agreeing with Nacho w/r/t JKM, about 196 in particular: 'Also why not give this level of heat to Titus for asking for a claim?" has me feeling uncomfortable.
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unvote

Flammus what is your read on me?

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Rereading the last few pages I'm feeling better about Titus, some of my problems with him earlier could have been attributed to playstyle in retrospect and I'm picking up on some townvibes now, plus Verbs/JKM atp both being on him gives me willies.
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Flammus replacing Mail doesn't place him high from the beginning but I'm reserving judgement until I see more of his thoughts.
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Brian's 231 is basically where I'm at with a lot of people, more nulltown on nacho but other than that his stances mirror mine closely, he describes my Titus feeling perfectly, and describes how I feel about Gaiden's activity.

I'll give my opinion on the gambit. M M didn't seem like the most expierenced of players. I doubt that he could've pulled a scum self-vote out. It attracts attention and the spotlight to himself, which goes against the general mindset of newbies which is "please don't notice. Please don't ask me any questions".

I think his train of thought was "if I self-vote and show the town how I like to move out of RVS, then I'll get town reads."

Now I can just hear someone saying "get town reads? WTF! Why would a town need town reads? Obviously it's scum needing to avoid suspicion." But it's not just scum who need to be recognized by town. The whole town all bandwagoning a town player does no good for the overall town game.
This whole post problaby made no sense, but I'm tired. I don't know why exactly he used that gambit, and all we can do is speculate. My point is, usually a self-vote should be a red flag. But in a newbie game, where he said (I'm pretty sure he said this) that he played on other websites, then it might be an acceptable strategy there. He problaby didn't know the negativity it would bring him, but it DID get the game rolling.

That's the clincher though, after Mail self-voted, he didn't deliver on content before replacing out, which goes against this notion of him being town-who-knew-what-he-was-doing.
Flammus's 'I'll give my opinion' on his previous slot does give me some feelings of 'Hi, I'm town and let me tell you guys what I feel my predecessor was thinking' vibes, which comforts me.
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Verbs's Gaiden vote is ok? It makes sense, but the tiny case could've been produced by either alignment without much effort, in general feels very lazy.

I don't like Flammus coming in on defending Verbs. Let players speak for themselves.

While I don't agree that it's defending, the foreign justification feels like something a buddy could do, revisiting if either flips red.

phok's reads and rationale matching mine are reassuring, just like Flammus I'm reserving judgement here because he might've just replaced someone who didn't know what they were doing.

Vote: Verbs

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And Shii, that's the thing.

My

gut isn't pinging hard about him

and people are decreeing he's scum and want him to claim.

Verbs, do not claim until someone expresses intent.

I think he's scum

, but this wagon is shit.

Explain this.

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Red = scum, think Fire Emblem, EM, the red color most people use onsite, etc.

Don't give me that. You thought Verbs was scum, while decrying his wagon. What the fuck is 230 supposed to mean.

[Shiidaji]

What were you thinking? You're not giving anything to work with here at all.

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sporadic posting from phone for some, but can people comment on what I brought up about notscience in the meantime thanks

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There're better places to be, (hint: Verbs) I've been leaning town on you until I noticed that point, and I want más opiniones from my stronger townreads. Wouldn't you agree that that's pretty obvious from my ISO? : )

[Shiidaji]

[se]Okay here's the thing: You're not going to get anywhere with your style of scumhunting, not unless you develop some credibility. If you want people to listen to you, actually show your thought process, or do it soon after you do your one-off reaction tests to explain yourself and what you got out of it. The way you're playing right now could be improved

so much

if you follow this, plus it would even make it easier for us to read you.

MattP's a great example of the type of player you're trying to emulate: He posts one-off votes, gambits some, annoys people, yells, yet it works for him because people

listen

to him. Why do they listen to him? Because he built up a solid foundation of cred behind his scumhunting abilities, people who find him town and know him sheep him because they trust in his abilities. You're not there yet.[/se]

Verbs feels very much like low-hanging fruit.

What do you mean?

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Why is that a problem, then?

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five pages reading up.

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307 expresses my notscience read nicely, but while I don't agree with Nacho's reversal on NS in 340 I'm not seeing NS as scum with anyone rn

Bert's phresh perspective on the game tastes town and makes me feel better about the slot as a whole, while phok's reactiveness from 366 on where he only responds to things thrown at him gives me some confidence in this lynch.

Bert if you're still on I want to talk before Amrun gets on.

[Shiidaji]

Looking again Bert's not looking so hot actually

Wake up please.

[Shiidaji]

Bert replaces JKMatthews, effective upon posting.

why

him

why

now

[Shiidaji]

jk Bert ilu : )

I still think Verbs is scum, and I can't see phokscum with him, only Titus, please explain your townread on him if you get back before 'Run does

Sleeping.

[Shiidaji]

Vote: Titus

On my phone right now, but I took notes through a look-through of the thread last night for relations, Verbs isn't plausible as scum anymore Nacho. Titus is the most likely, followed by notscience, I need to you look over the latter for me because if it's not Titus, I'm pretty damn sure it's him.

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Is ns the type to kill Bert-who-was-townreading him? That's the main thing that gives me pause now after results.

115 and 147-149 both point to TownVerbs, but 245 makes Verbs pretty solidly town in my mind, Gaiden wasn't in the spotlight at all at that point, there was no need to bus at that point since I feel the momentum of the town wasn't going anywhere bad for a Gaiden-Verbs team. ns downplaying it in 248 is bleh though, ungood

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lappy

Post 279 to 282 still sticks out like a sore thumb in my mind, gives me aggressive scum caught with his hand in the cookie jar vibes.

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Relationally, 178 gives me pause because I can imagine a boisterous type like notscience proclaiming that one of his buddies was on a wagon as scum, it just oozes.
"I'm willing to wager his buddy already is bussing him, but I can't tell who it is thus far because of how fast everyone jumps down his throat."
(4) Verbs - Nachomamma8,

SXTLHGaiden

,

JKM

, Titus

Also, pay attention to 251 where ns defends Gaiden from Verbs's proclamation, wherein Gaiden shouldn't have really been a blip on ns's radar at that point, the interaction was pretty pointless if it was townNS.

there was something else but I need to go dig it up, one sec

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Pertaining to the actual game, I just finished catching up on everything, and here's what I think so far (forgive me if I mix up facts or something like that, it's hard absorbing 271 posts in a short amount of time). Nacho and Shii are my strongest town reads so far, both are actively scumhunting and analyzing information accurately. I'm also getting the feeling that Brian is town, he has a lot of reasoning behind his actions, and his analyses have been better than I would expect for a newbie. I get the vibe that Flammus is town too based off of his posts alone, but that gambit in the beginning by Mail still makes me a little suspicious. I'm not sure exactly what to think of Titus, some actions seem pro-town, some seem anti-town, null on this one. Verbs, null-scum in my opinion, seems suspicious because of the supposed reasoning behind Mail's gambit, but that's not enough to make me too suspicious of him. I'm suspicious of JKMatthews and notscience the most, JKM because of the situation with Mail's replacement and asking for a lynch, and notscience because

of low levels of activity

and not much reasoning behind the vote for Shii.

the post that Bert pointed out, it can be boiled down to

Nacho

Shii

Brian

Flammus

Titus

Verbs

JKM

notscience

Typically, around yellow (null) is a good place to look for where newscum place their partners. In this case though I wouldn't discount the red either, since phok didn't actually even place a vote on either of his scumreads.

The bolded is really really weird and was never addressed.

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idk Titus is still this raging red flag of "lynch me!", even by the above post, but yeah, I don't see ns as super-town like my other townreads do and it bugs me.

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Brian, does Flammus's 250 make sense in a Flammus-Gaiden team? Look at it.

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Gaiden, notscience, and Titus, all three of them contested or questioned Verbs's vote to varying degrees in the preceding posts, Flammus!Scum could've simply gone along with the flow, or perhaps not even said anything. That he would rationalize an argument against his buddy, instead of vehemently agreeing or disagreeing with it, doesn't sit with me as him being scum. I don't have a strong argument for Flammus town tbh, but I feel we have better odds attacking elsewhere.

What do you think about Titus in relation with Gaiden now that you have time?

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ns you're cute : ) Reread that post to yourself btw because you're not helping yourself.

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Why are you so cagey? I'm voting for Titus.

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I'm not, get the hell over yourself. Reread: my townreads having strong tr's on you despite me not having one, it's super annoying and you're not helping.

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"i'm not helping"

Yet I was one of the people behind the phok lynch

10/10

you're like a hyperactive little puppy barking up a storm I just want to pinch your cheek :>>>

You also only have 4 mentions of the scum slot in your entire ISO, including the vote. I'm not putting stock into you not having the balls to bus with so little precedence.

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Shii you should look up my meta

Because meta is a wonderful thing

I don't have time for that, if you want me to see you as town show me yourself or quit your grandstanding.

[Shiidaji]

Howdy. I'm Flammus.
Sad to see I already got two votes on me. Anyhow, I'll be reading over these pages and get back to you.

interesting.

Thinking Amished? The post gives me mild townvibes personally.

Sleeping on this, good night.

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unvote

He was acting suspiciously at the beginning of Day 2.

Elaborate.

Verbs, check me or Brian. If Flammus isn't scum ns-scum or nacho-scum would become pretty evident after a while.

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unvote

He was acting suspiciously at the beginning of Day 2.

Elaborate.

Verbs, check me or Brian. If Flammus isn't scum ns-scum or nacho-scum would become pretty evident after a while.

I just don't see how you can think notscience was likely to be mafia, and totally miss Flammus.

And I don't mind if I get checked. I'd rather just claim, but whatever.

My thought process is pretty clearly explained, I felt that Flammus wouldn't be as likely scum as Titus before the latter was confirmed, and was explaining my ns suspicion. My Flammus read as a whole was unrelated and unshared at that point.

@ the latter post, ffr just say you think I'd be scum should Flammus flip green, it avoids confusion and makes your stance look less wishy-washy.

[Shiidaji]

Going hiking tomorrow, so won't be around for a bit.

Want more input from Verbs so please don't end the day while I'm out, ciao

[Shiidaji]

see sig

[Shiidaji]

Hi, expect minimal activity on weekdays from me.

Vote: Nacho

meow

[Shiidaji]

(I thought Nacho was the PR ftr, especially towards the end of Day 2.)

Brian, read through D3 notscience again with regards to the future, he's arguing for Nachotown. Does that make any sense as the last scum who needs two more mislynches to pull this off?

Brian, why do you think ns is scum?

Nacho, why did you ask this.

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Actually Nacho's phok vote doesn't make that much sense as a buddy since phok had little attention on him until Bert rep'd in, buuut he null-scum'd Gaiden so that's something?

Looking through D1/2 ns again over the weekend.

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Do you know what re-reading is?

[Shiidaji]

Try it.

[Shiidaji]

short on time.

Nacho, why did you ask this.

Because I haven't decided myself.

Day 3 started - what was your read on me? Has it changed at all and why?

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I thought Nacho was the PR ftr, especially towards the end of Day 2.

Why did you think this? Also, does this make me confirmed PR?

His confidence in directing Verbs made me feel he was a doc that thought he had the game in the bag, along with this post

lets make this a long day because i am probably the next to go at night

actually, I have a good feeling there is a doctor and as long as the doctor protects you, everything should be good. i'm pretty fucking confident the game will end with a flammus lynch, though.

I felt it was either BPNacho trying to draw a nk or docnacho basically sealing the game;

Yes.

Okay, so I'm just not in the mood right now because it's late and I'm tired. But tomorrow I will have the time to finally post my giant walls. Look forward to them.

Also, I would like it if Shii would provide the reasoning for his suspicion on notscience from Day 2, even if it isn't applicable anymore.

see post 478, I'll elaborate if necessary

Brian, I'll respond to your wall later.

Brian, remember what Shii said about scum needing to push 2 MLs to win and me having a townread on Nacho is weird (especially with how strong it is) and then Shii went all paranoid?

?

ns, re-read my post (695) and either acknowledge the logic behind it or refute it. It doesn't make any sense for ns-scum to townread Nacho and attack Shii. Why? Because after Shii is ML'd in that situation, ns-scum would be stuck vs. Nacho, the player he'd been arguing as town for D3, in MYLO/LYLO D4.
On the other hand, Nacho

has yet to mention his read on me

. He's pushing you (notscience) as scum today without taking a stance on me. That totally makes sense from a scum perspective - Scum!Nacho would know that ns would be a mislynch and that he'd be facing off against me in MYLO/LYLO tomorrow. Do you understand? I'm reading you as town, therefore Nacho is more likely scum, since you two are the only people that can be scum from my perspective.

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Prod picked up. I told you I'm not replacing out Amrun, I apologize, reading.

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He's pushing you (notscience) as scum today without taking a stance on me. That totally makes sense from a scum perspective - Scum!Nacho would know that ns would be a mislynch and that he'd be facing off against me in MYLO/LYLO tomorrow.

I haven't actually posted much today, but pushing notscience as scum sort of suggests I find you town, no?

It does, however the 'sort of suggests' bit where you didn't mention me until prompted leaves room for doubt from my point of view, it would make it an easier transition into D4 where a ScumNacho would have to face me.

admittedly Nacho's posting since then's dulled my scumread, in particular with 782 in his really specific thought process through the PR crumb, it's really ringing townvibes in my head even though ScumNacho could totally pull that off.

Brian, are you still here? Anyone else? I need sleep but I'll stick around for an hour or two for this, if I'm understanding the deadline we're on a tightrope.

[Shiidaji]

Yayyyyyyyyyy!!!! <3 <3 <3

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Brian, I'll respond to your wall later.

Do you still want this? I'm looking at the three again rn

[Shiidaji]

Yayyyyyyyyyy!!!! <3 <3 <3

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Brian, I'll respond to your wall later.

Do you still want this? I'm looking at the three again rn

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mastin.

Do what you want while I'm still re-reading then. Looking at the VC unless we get Titus/ns popping in we can't lynch Nacho.

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Actually, can you detail what's making you think Nacho is town in the meantime? Maybe you're seeing something I'm not.

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Unvote, Vote: phokdapolees

Why, and why are you now "completely reassured" about notscience?

Brian - Do you think phok would say the latter about a buddy? As in, would he be the type to downplay someone reading his buddy as town whereas he'd normally just ask the first bit?

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Not what I mean. To put it another way, phok had the option of just saying "Why"
I feel like I've already picked out all the other scarce buddy tells and this is sticking out for me.

pedit: ?

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okay I'm waking up in ~five hours, if I fall asleep on this i'm still available from then to switch if something, but atp in my read I'm still leaning Nacho, going through D3 again.

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Yeah, have other site shit to catch up on, calling it a night at 2 though.

How do you feel about Nacho not wanting to be protected at the end of Day 1 and the AtE at the beginning of Day 2?

What AtE? @ the former it's sort of similar to my vibes from 816 w/r/t the crumbs, town have a much easier job of it, though Nacho is, well, Nacho.

Also, do you think Nacho is the type of person to hard bus? I'm not familiar with meta at all.

Well coming into this game I knew Nacho was an exemplary IC and a really good player as either alignment just from word of mouth, judging from that he's totally -capable- of doing it. Wether or not he's the type to do it I don't know.

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I need you to take a serious look at my logic at the bottom of 729 and see wether or not you agree with it - It's my main -thing- for nstown/nachoscum over the other option.

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oh that's not really the standard definition of AtE. It's alignment null considering I could totally see ScumNacho pulling that off with no qualms.

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See you in five.

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vote: ns

Hi!

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Schoolwork! Did you no-kill, or shoot Brian?

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Look familiar, folks?

This is what Nacho responded to Shii when shii said I was probably town because writing someone off as town like that would make it hard to do as scum. And if I was scum and Shii had been lynched yesterday, that is what would have happened.

But look!

The person Shii was scumreading flipped town, and now Shii did exactly what Nacho said scum would do.

No. It doesn't work that way.

You're the only person person left that isn't town from my perspective. I was wrong about you, shit happens.

SPOILER ALERT

For someone who was so adamant as scum, they spent a lot of time not voting me. Hell, I was Shii's top scumread in D1+D2.

AT ONE POINT, SHII EVEN SAYS IF IT ISNT TITUS THEN IT IS ME

Yet, D3 Shii doesn't try to lynch me, nor does Shii try late-D2. Instead, Shii sees the perfect opportunity to push Nacho out because Shii knows he won't win a lylo 1v1 against Nacho.

Look at this from Shii's POV. Would you rather be in lylo as scum against me or Nacho?

Incorrect. You weren't my top scumread D1, Verbs was, I was very clear about this. Now try to point out the fault in the bolded - You can't.

We didn't know Titus was confirmed town until Verbs came in late D2

. My activity at that point in time was spare, and 634 was me implying I wasn't ready for D2 to end. You were my preferred lynch target over Flammus at that point considering the info I'd gathered by that point but - "I don't see ns as super-town like my other townreads do and it bugs me." This. I was the only one scumreading you at that point - my vote on you wouldn't have mattered, and I was interested in seeing if you would be able to reverse that read.

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You keep saying "from my perspective," rather than OVERALL.

Yep.

Because I have malleable reads. No 'X is scum I'm right period vote park' bullshit, if I see something that changes my mind I say it. I wouldn't really expect you to understand that though, don't strain yourself.

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No that was an insult, lol
Keep ignoring my valid points and nitpicking at specifics though.

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'whatever' and 'bullshit' are just ways to deflect something you have no idea how to respond to.

As for cases, if they want one they'll get one after Saturday. After my last LYLO I'd rather not put hours of work into my kickass color-coded walls off the bat, have an sat to study for.

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aye amrun

tomorrow for this one

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Let me test something. Shii, what role do you think Brian is?

Brian, do not answer.

Please answer this first Shii. Include your confidence level.

BP, I'd bet a sweet amount of cash on it. Brian'd be smart enough to have protected Verbs if he was actually the doctor.

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Feel free to point anything specific out and I'll be sure to ease your suspicion
(Refer to 478 in the meantime I'm still totally booked)