Newbie 1419 - GAME OVER

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VOTE: Nacho

Hiiiii Nacho

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VOTE: vote: mail-mi
Come on guize! Wagon on him! He is scum!

Curious.

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Slight townread on lettersGaiden

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Nah, I like lettersgaiden



Mai, get an avatar please. It makes it easier to distinguish between people

We have several people yet to post. wooo.

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Random voting stage- Basically goofing off until we find something strange and going from there (that's what's been going on

When people die you see their role

PRs/Mafia have a good estimate on which setup is in play, but we won't unless a PR flips (because a goon flip reveals nothing)

Basically, one of the 3 rows OR one of the 3 columns is picked and then distributed. OTher than those 3, there's 5 vanilla townies and 1 mafia goon.

Make sense?

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on the other hand, why would a town player do something like that? its directing all of the current suspicion at himself when it doesn't need to be. he knows that he's not scum = waste of time unless scum obviously screws the pooch. what do you think?

I do it similarly, but it's a bad habit. It helps to draw attention to you, which scum usually don't like.

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Elaborate JKM?

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VOTE: Titus

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I liked your point

What isn't to understand

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I you're getting a little bit worried that I'm being opportunistic why not vote me?

Look at the last page- "An experienced player like you wouldn't do something like that"

Pretty blatant ass-kissing

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Brian, in this queue it isn't unheard of for people to flake after /inning

That vote's kinda useless, nothing anyone has said so far has rubbed you the wrong way?

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lettersGaiden, you'd be surprised.

Nacho is the IC, yes.

But if you've glanced through the newbie queue you'll see that a fair amount of people usually flake from the site, especially given the fact that he hasn't even posted, it's a worseless vote until he is replaced.

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You reading what I posted?

P sure I already said it

But you're going to vote me anyways scum, so bring it on.

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Rereading makes it seem more likely to me that Titus is buddying than m-m actually being scum...

I you're getting a little bit worried that I'm being opportunistic why not vote me?

Look at the last page- "An experienced player like you wouldn't do something like that"

Pretty blatant ass-kissing

Asskissing=buddying

What isn't clear scum

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JKM, I cannot see a seasoned player doing that as scum to break out of RVS. The sign would be neon, huge and hard to shake. Look at the results the gambit achieved, the game was moving slowly but now we have active posters and FoSes starting up. Yeah, it's not perfect town read but it's enough to give him a slight town read.

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Nacho

Please don't tell me you're scum

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He already said that, which adds to my point you aren't reading everything.

For future reference, me using quotations means paraphrased.

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Hey Brian

Have any opinions on alignment yet

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VOTE: Nacho

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As in, any town/scumleans yet?

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Oh, I don't think Nacho's scum yet.

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He just said he knows how to use a wiki

He could have just done his research

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He clearly isn't responding to the pressure I'm totally placing on him by nakedvoting him because he's totally posted since said vote

Why are you worried about votes on Nacho's slot?

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I wasn't planning on responding. Did you expect me to?

No

But I love how it made Shii respond

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Shii, you don't know how I work.

I'm not a clear, concise, detailed and methodical person

I wing things

I like meta

Titus is just voteparking and 2/3 of his scumreads are shit

And bullshit that's not genuine, I stated how

I

interpreted it. Your vote on me is a shitvote and probably there to stay off leading wagons.

Verbs/Titus scumteam, wrap it up and ship it to grandma.

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That sounds like coaching

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Waffling within that period WILL make me suspicious.

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Why would you bother saying that though?

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Verbs, do not claim until someone expresses intent.

I think he's scum, but this wagon is shit.

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Because it's page fucking 7 and people are asking for a claim. Even if he IS scum we have NOTHING to go off of yet, and the day just started.

I'm willing to wager his buddy already is bussing him, but I can't tell who it is thus far because of how fast everyone jumps down his throat.

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You trying to call me scum again Titus?

We have TWO mislynches. Assuming scum don't kill anyone on the wagon, and if verbs flips scum, that means we have a pool of 5 people to vote from. Assuming scum is in them, we still don't have enough lynches.

So yeah, no. We have so much time left today, we need to use it.

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JKM that's scummy as fuck.

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You implied you thought Verbs should be claiming, I want somebody out there to state intent to hammer so that Verbs's slot actually should be claiming...

You want someone to claim intent so he can CLAIM.

We need to keep claims to a minimum, which you should know. Yet, you want to make him claim.

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So

You want someone lynched

When the day has barely been opened

He has posted like 10 times.

Tell me, what happens if he is scum? How do we find his partner?

What happens if he is town?

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I already gave him heat, because both of you wanting a claim and a hammer this early is mad as hell.

How you all are "confident" he's scum is beyond me, especially given his activity.

Hell, we don't even have a formal reads list from him.

Yes, he is scummy.

No, he shouldn't be lynched this fast.

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Get an avy or I'll make it 3

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Hmmm

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Wants disscussion to continue. +1 town point.

That's a null thing.

And Shii, that's the thing.

My gut isn't pinging hard about him and people are decreeing he's scum and want him to claim.

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VOTE: shii

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I don't either!

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^?

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It just looks like an RVS vote

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Not posting content=/=Scum

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Not posting content=/=Scum

explain

myself and several people I play with frequently are known for having a fair amount of fluff with some scattered content. It's not the most optimal play, but not posting content is a null tell.

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Hi

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DONT TALK ABOUT ONGOING GAMES

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this vote pretty much just sucks.

Why

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I disagree

I'm still bugged by the sudden interest in my vote on you

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notscience because of low levels of activity and not much reasoning behind the vote for Shii.

Second most poster

Low activity

Can't tell if scum or town derping

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We use flip scum here

Dunno why he said flip red

And fuck if I know Shii

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I

Don't

Know

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I already said I don't know.

My best guess was I believed him scum but it always raises some alarms when people are asking for claims on page 7 and that changed it

But nothing's definite

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Yo Shii

If you think I'm scum

Why aren't you voting me

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Verbs feels very much like low-hanging fruit.

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It feels like too easy a lynch.

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Because I've seen these lynches before.

They tend to hit town.

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JKM's slot is probs town

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@Brian, read everything the slot has done (just remember reads aren't necessarily the same)

And shii is meh

JKM's reason for subbing looks pro-town imo

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Nacho

You used to be able to see town me when everyone else thought I was scum

Why the fuck can't you do it anymore

You did the same thing in 514 >.>

And I've seen majority of these hit town.

EXAMPLES

Me and DP in 1354- Both almost universal scumreads, both flip town

Me and KBW in Sitcom- ^

Sakura in 514- Town

Pjovek in 1407- Scum

TIP and Siv in 510- Town

Me and Siv in 500- Town

Red Coyote/Zaicon in 1471- Town/Scum

That's just me spouting off those such as this off the top of my head.

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I acknowledged that they are sometimes scum, but in my experience I have seen more universal scumreads flip town.

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when you are impossible to tie down

That second part was a decent point

What does the quote mean

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Like what?

Wagons?

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Haven't had the greatest of luck recently with that.

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VOTE: Bert

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VOTE: Titus

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wat

why

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I think Nacho is town

Which is nice

I really hope Bert is town

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VOTE: phok

L-1 folks, I want to see some intent.

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Who let me nacho and bert be town together again

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Bert you should read him because I don't know what to look for in scumnacho

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bahahahaha

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DAMNIT WHO KILLED BERT

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If I killed bert I'd kill myself first

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WHEN I FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE

I WILL FIND YOU

AND I WILL KILL YOU

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Shii thinking he can read me

lol

10/10

Please keep it up shii

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I'm not going to get lynched because I'm not scum

Simple as that

Here's a protip for you

If Nacho and Bert BOTH think I'm town I'm town

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That's nice

You're also lining me up as a lynch suspect for some reason

When there's only one scum left

...

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Nacho I'm a super saiyan

does that count

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"i'm not helping"

Yet I was one of the people behind the phok lynch

10/10

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I'll do something brash

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Well Nacho

Titus is probs scum

flam maybe

Then Shii

Then Brian

Then you

then bert

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Yes

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He and Shii are even

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Then Nacho might die (and if he dies and we have a doctor I will be severely angered as will bert)

If not him then Brian

Then tomorrow Shii will push me

Shii you should look up my meta

Because meta is a wonderful thing

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He's the IC rofl

I've only been in ONE game with town-nacho who didn't die early

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If they are a JK then they cleaned whoever they were on

If they are a doctor they haven't done anything and shouldn't claim

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Nacho lets make a townbloc

you

me

brian

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A group of townies

Nacho made one in Open 500 that helped win the game

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It's basically

Do not ever lynch

Ever

Never ever never

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Shii doesn't realize how I play

I'm waiting for shii to realize that I'm town

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@Shii

Here's my scum game history

Newbies
1394- Defended my teammate against the lynch on him but he got lynched then cop got me N1
1393- Syry caught me, but I distanced my teammate
1402- Teammate in my townreads, he was bussing me
Minis
1454- Teammates bussed me, I distanced
1476- Teammate in my scumreads
1463- (Hydrae) double bus
Micro
AP's Bastard- (Hydrae) got bussed and pushed slightly

Think that's it

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1) True

2) Who would that scum be then

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This is a game about Ethos

If you establish yourself enough I don't see why that's an issue

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Well duh

I don't trust anyone out of the gate

But once it goes on you get that

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Well yeah

For me, I love to use meta and gut when reading people which is why it doesn't bug me too much

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Nacho newbscum are newbscum

I could see it

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Is that L-2 or L-3 nacho

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Titus's a great inspection target

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oh god

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Well

Nacho

We have a really big townbloc right now

VOTE: flammus

YOLO

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ALL HAIL BERT

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I HEARD HAMMER

VOTE: Flammus

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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SON OF A

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT

IT COULD HAVE GIVEN SO MUCH INSIGHT

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ALSO

Wisdom pushed mara hard yesterday yet conveniently jumped off (without changing his read on her) and that ended in a compromise lynch

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Oops wrong game

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We've already figured out Flam is scum now hammer plox

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Can we check Nacho so I don't have a paranoia attack

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I don't suspect him now

But I don't want to have a paranoia spasm

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True, true.

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um

Hold the fucking phone

Why did he say "steer away suspicion" rather than find scum

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Conftown=/=knows scum

It's against the rules anyways

There is no guilty on him, so it's not playing ot either wincon

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Oh snap

You caught me Scummus

Damn

What it seems you're trying to do now is stir the pot, and yeah. scum NS does not like playing with Townbert and Nacho

<.>

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VOTE: Shii

All I needed to hear

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hi

What would you like to hear?

It was more responding to your PR claim than the FoS, I thought Shii was scum but I trusted Nacho

But I trust nacho to be town

you're an un-cc'd pr

Titus is conftown

and I know I'm town

so e z

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Nacho there was literally no reason for you to kill Bert D1 after his statements then.

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That's nice

Better to lynch me now then leave me for lylo

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That is purely from a logical stance btw

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There is literally nothing to respond to.

I didn't call you scum but Titus is conftown >.>

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Nacho, if Bert townreads you then dies I see literally 0 reason to kill him from you. Why? Because I personally believe hydrae partners are really good at reading each other (although I admittedly can't read Bert as well as say DP or TIP), so I'm not really plussed about it. Not to mention you do the "townleader nacho" bit that I've seen you do as town and notsomuch as scum.

By all means, park your vote on me.

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I've already analyzed the others lmfao

BS is conftown unless he gets CC'd, which scum won't do.

You're conftown because the PR cleaned you.

I've said why I think Nacho is town

That only leaves Shii.

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um

Hold on

Shii was the one scumreading me for 2 days

now comes in and says "hold on scum needs 2 mls so why would he townread nacho like that"

And then scumreads nacho, to go with his previous beliefs of me.

How are you all missing this

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</3 Nacho

"for whatever reason"

I'm GOING to flip town.

Not MAYBE.

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Have you totally ignored everything I've said today?

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...

Read what I've said today.

READ WHAT SHII HAS SAID TODAY AND THEN LOOK AT THAT LAST LINE OF YOUR STATEMENT 2 POSTS AGO

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Brian, remember what Shii said about scum needing to push 2 MLs to win and me having a townread on Nacho is weird (especially with how strong it is) and then Shii went all paranoid?

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Shii, here's what's bugging me.

You see 3 people jumping down my throat so you'relike "nah I think hes town" so if you vote nacho tomorrow it looks like you didnt need to switch a read around.

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If it's been difficult sorting them how is shii your most town rofl

Where am I?

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I mean in your reads.

And nah I hate reading walls with a passion

I skimmed them though

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I think ns is town

Gun to my head I'd say Nacho personally is town.

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That's stupid as meta is not high value.

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For once, I actually upon review would prefer NS. Since we both feel that Shii is town, can we lynch Nacho today and then do NS tomorrow?

This is a terrible mentality.

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Why does standing a chance matter if you've already made up your mind?

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and notscience's!

P sure I've said my reads.

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What else is there to say?

Brian and Titus are conftown.

I think Shii is scum, and i've seen reasoning to lynch me- not because I'm scum, because I couldn't hold my own.

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Here's a bit of logic

You say you want to vote me out today because I won't be able to stand up to them.

Why would me standing up to them matter if you really thought I was scum?

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I'll lynch NS with you/for you tomorrow.

And it's thoughts like this that lose games.

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Did I say it was you?

No.

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If you get the feeling I will flip scum, why is part of your reasonings for lynching me today that I won't be able to hold my own tomorrow?

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Brian, here's the thing

You say you're confident I'm scum but then say "welll if he flips scum"

I am telling you straight up, one of your two confident townreads is wrong. I'm pretty sure it's shii.

Lynching me will make your decision WAY harder. You'll have a scum-replacement who can just be like "lolidk why my slot did that" to anything raised against them. You'll have Nacho who Titus thinks is scum.

Tell me how that is ANY easier then having me in there.

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I'll lynch NS with you/for you tomorrow.

And it's thoughts like this that lose games.

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VOTE: Shii

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Sup, scumfuck.

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Doesn't seem too hard for him to flip and go "I underestimated town Nacho", especially when he's staring a confirmed town in the face. It doesn't take any stretch of the imagine to say "Nacho fooled me, he's a good player. Vote: Nacho".

Look familiar, folks?

This is what Nacho responded to Shii when shii said I was probably town because writing someone off as town like that would make it hard to do as scum. And if I was scum and Shii had been lynched yesterday, that is what would have happened.

But look!

The person Shii was scumreading flipped town, and now Shii did exactly what Nacho said scum would do.

No. It doesn't work that way.

SPOILER ALERT

For someone who was so adamant as scum, they spent a lot of time not voting me. Hell, I was Shii's top scumread in D1+D2.

AT ONE POINT, SHII EVEN SAYS IF IT ISNT TITUS THEN IT IS ME

Yet, D3 Shii doesn't try to lynch me, nor does Shii try late-D2. Instead, Shii sees the perfect opportunity to push Nacho out because Shii knows he won't win a lylo 1v1 against Nacho.

Look at this from Shii's POV. Would you rather be in lylo as scum against me or Nacho?

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You're the only person person left that isn't town from my perspective. I was wrong about you, shit happens.

You keep saying "from my perspective," rather than OVERALL.

There's a big difference in someone being the final scum and being the final scum "from my perspective"

And then, you fall back on "oh my activity was sparse then"

If that was a defense then all scum have to do is lurk.

It isn't.

And that's weird, why would you give someone YOU PREDICTED TO BE THE FINAL SCUM have a chance to prove you wrong?

Oh wait, I covered that two posts ago!

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And the discredits begin!

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"valid points"

The first point overall just owes itself perfectly to a point I already made, thanks.

The first point in the paragraph is whatever.

The latter two are bullshit.

Here's the kicker- You're depending on their townread to win. You aren't fighting a case.

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whatever=a good point

But keep trying to misconstrue my words scumfuck.

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Why are you so sure Nacho is town? What happened to that Nacho paranoia of yours?

If this is what you mean, it's pretty simple.

If you say in-game "I will get paranoid of x if they're still alive on day y"

What do you think scum will do if they're town

like really lol

There's also /echo'd meta that nacho plays more robotic in his scum games then his town

ALSO BACK TO MY POINT OF SHII PUSHING NACHO OVER ME

If I leave you in the game and you are town, I'd find it extremely difficult to not lynch you in LYLO.

I'd find it extremely difficult to not lynch you in LYLO.

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Brian, look at the kills, then tell me it isn't blatantly obvious which role you are.

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@notscience: You still have to explain most of my wall against you. You've been pretty safe in terms of giving us your reads this game. You've asked me for my reads, but never asked for Gaiden's. The activity regarding you and Gaiden when Verbs voted Gaiden looks like buddying. You haven't done much in the way of scumhunting.

1) That wall had points I just responded to

2) Playstyle tells much? I've stated stances on people.

3) I had a townlean on Gaiden. I had nothing on you. Therefore, I'm more interested in getting info on you so I can try to judge your alignment

4) I don't always do traditional scumhunting. Take a metadive on me.

Any others?

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So, a townlean means you don't need to hear their thoughts on the game? You just let them play safe and actively lurk? And it didn't seem your townlean on Gaiden was based on anything strong.

Welcome to ns play

I focus more on reading those I havent sorted then those I have until theyre sorted.

Case you forgot, I helped lynch phok.

Go iso gaiden, shii, and phok. Tell me thats not distancing.

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It's not like Shii just said he's more worried about easing your suspicion rather than point to reasons why I could be scum or anything

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There's a difference between a replace on a blank slot and already used slot.

JKM's looked pro-town.

Shii's was just a flaker.

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I literally just explained it.

It was the replace out, scum wouldn't give a shit about being useless.

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Is useless how you would define your consistent townread before today?

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Rephrase please. I don't understand.

You say someone useless would have to shed the suspicions.

Would you classify Shii's play that you townread him for as useless?

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Place your bets on how many he gets before the game is over.

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He's not even engaged in the game.

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Oh, yes.

But apathy combined with coming in to ease suspicions?

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Why are you voting me if Shii needs to get in here lol

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Lovely.

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Pretty sure Titus said she thought Shii was scum.

And regardless, this scumplacement just has to say "I can't speak for my predecessor" thereby making it impossible for me to submit any more reasoning once they come in.

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Oh, and I don't want to reset this game because it's gone on for too fucking long and that D1 was too perfect to let it slip by.

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Nice throwing the game guys.

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I fucking knew shii was scum but nacho is just so fucking convincing.

Didn't help to have mump with people who can't read Mr for shit

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I feel I need to apologize to Shii, as that was an amazing performance. I would have made it much easier on her if I had survived even just to D2. Nonetheless, good game everyone, and kudos to Shii for pulling out the win for us.

Disagree, lurking=/= incredible performance.

I should have asked Nacho to give me the D2 lynch.

;-;

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This town started off so strong, but got a little cocky after the first scum death and let Shiidaji worm herself into their good graces almost universally. While how the end of the game turned out was unfortunate and probably was pretty upsetting to those of you who were town, I don't think it's an undeserved scum win because Shiidaji overcame a large deficit and did a good job being townread for the whole game. IMO, if she had not flaked at the end, she would probably not have been lynched anyway.

Except by NS, but NS is always wrong so noone listens to him when he's right

/rantoff

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Dead QT?