Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Antihero]

i have something fun to claim

i'm Dominia Yikzor and i'm an inquisitor for the nissan alliance.

i had a cop power, but if I got 2 innocents, i lost the power. venmar investigated mac and tiphainedeath and got innocents on both, so I lost the cop power

[Antihero]

Also, that's not the actual role he has obviously. Bork is using flavor names for normal power roles. Like mine is called "purifier" but it's a one-shot vanillize that fails should it hit town.

^this

But inquisitor isn't cop. It's a factional kill and alignment changer. Mason also doesn't make them both town.

No, "Mason" completely makes them both town. That's the definition of "mason".

Is waynegg one of the confirmed town?

[Antihero]

notscience has been confirmed town since day 1 and he's still alive?

what the...?

[Antihero]

Regardless of his claim, he does have a point about the pr-density.

not really

the two scum that have already flipped are juiced up scum PRs; I think this is a role-heavy game

that said, there is a very high probability that one or two of the claimed PRs are scum, but that's just because in any certain X set of people, there's probably a scumbag (you could define X as the list of people on a certain wagon or the list of people with usernames that start with a vowel).

Regardless, we're not lynching a claimed PR today and we aren't lynching a cop clear.

@Varsoon: Well, scum have ignored the mod-confirmed town up to this point, not sure why you're belaboring this point...

[Antihero]

There's plenty of things that could still make Mac's cop-clear not truthful. For instance, if the cop isn't a cop, or if the copping was redirected, or if Mac is a PR that investigates as town, or...

I'm telling the truth.
We're not lynching Mac on the ~1/1000000* chance that venmar was redirected.
"Neighborizing Godfather?", you suggest lynching mac on the chance that this role exists?

We're not lynching Mac, Varsoon. Deal with it.

*note: I pulled this number out of my ass, but I do know that the chances of it are really low

[Antihero]

@Antihero: I think that scum have ignored the Innocent Child because he's

not a threat to them

. It's the only reason I can see for Notscience to not be killed right away.

I think that answers your question about why the soft-claimers have been ignored...

[Antihero]

Antihero, can you cop every night? Are you an alignment cop as I assume or is there anything different/unique about your cop-powers?

Yes, it was an alignment cop. And now i can't cop at all, i'm pretty much a VT; the ability to keep my power was contingent on getting guilty's. No, my power was not compulsive.

If I got 2 innocent results, I lost the ability (which venmar did).

[Antihero]

Mac, can you see why I'm skeptical of Antihero's cop-claim, especially since it's limited and could only cop until it caught two innocents? It's awfully convenient that Antihero is a cop that we have no way of confirming as a cop.

I could fully see a scum player (even traitor) 'confirming' two town (or even scum-buddies) while claiming in the same way Antihero did.

More than that, though, I could see there being two limited cops (me as non-consecutive VanillaCop & Antihero as 2-Town-then-useless Cop) in a setup with a small handful of PR-based scum.

That's why I'm suspicious of you and Antihero.

Not enough to damn you to the hells, but enough to seriously consider spending time in your ISO's.


P-EDIT:

@zMuffin: I'm reading right, just skeptical.
I wanted evidence to pin on TF. If TF was lying about having a PR, it'd be damning. As it stands, I think the scum team has plenty of PRs, but I doubt they are -all- power roles (hence why I am suspicious of Nacho). I was trying to use my power more like a lie-detector than anything else. How is Vanilla Cop traditionally used? I don't think it'd do us much good to just VC unclaimed people, but, at this stage, maybe it is.

So, scumVenmar claimed PGO in his first post and then heavily breadcrumbed his results (who he was convinced that he would get a guilty on during the previous day, by the fuckin' way) all as part of an elaborate ruse to later fake claim a weird role. Then he tops this genius scum maneuver off by REPLACING OUT before he can actually claim the role. Because he's just that committed to sending up false signals.

Your mud-slinging is noted.

And it reeks of desperation.

If we're lynching a claimed PR tomorrow, it's Varsoon.

[Antihero]

The vast majority of scumbags aren't Batman villains, Varsoon.

Crumbs can be found on Venmar's first post of the day on days 2 and 3. Spoiler: they're not subtle, at all.
Day 2: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5269791
Day 3: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5309208

@Antihero: Or maybe I'm willing to give more agency to a hypothetical scum-Venmar because that's exactly the kind of bullshit I would pull as scum. Replace out wouldn't matter if he wrote down his whole plan in the scum QT, either.

That said, I'm willing to believe your claim, it's just that I don't buy Venmar's play as pro-town. I'm skeptical. Misrep my skepticism as mud-slinging all you want, but I'm going to voice how I feel about people's play, rather they like it or not.

This assumes that all townies play a pro-town game.

They don't.

Yes, Venmar was not pro-town. But he obviously has a pro-town role, and you wheedling like this is really sketchy. I know you're not stupid, so I'm forced to conclude that you're deliberately sabotaging my 99% confirmed town status trying to squeeze in some reasonable doubt.

[Antihero]

OK varsoon, because I like you I'm going to let this go, but I am going to say that I just want to shake you right now because this is the epitome of overthinking it when the cigar is just a goddamn cigar.

[Antihero]

just skimmed nacho's ISO

why are we lynching him?

[Antihero]

ITT, scum are frantically trying to make me "not confirmed" because they're hosed otherwise.

[Antihero]

/procrastination post

[Antihero]

not going to be able to post until wednesday

._.

i don't care for either of the wagons, though

[Antihero]

VOTE: BROseiden

[Antihero]

that's why I voted you, champ. You need the reasonable doubt or else you're PoE'd.

town don't: see FTL

[Antihero]

Why are you insisting on playing in binaries? Creative plays exist, and I'm not going to lose the game because "Oh, claimed cop, must be 100% true," especially when that is the only thing the slot has going towards it.

because that's what the game is... a binary. I'm either scum or I'm not.

Given that Venmar's odd behavior in the day breaks for 2 consecutive days, it's objectively safe to say that (while maybe not 100%) my town status is pretty close to 100% confirmed. Town will play these odds because 9.5 times out of 10, they're making the right call (see: why nobody lynches cop clears for fear of godfathers). They might

say

that they're paranoid, but they won't entertain the idea of actually lynching these people (again: see varsoon's play).

Scum don't. Scum need to lynch pool to remain as large as possible. Especially toward the endgame.

And that's what you're doing.

[Antihero]

Why are you insisting on playing in binaries? Creative plays exist, and I'm not going to lose the game because "Oh, claimed cop, must be 100% true," especially when that is

the only thing the slot has going towards it.

Well, shit, if we're using that standard we should be lynching notscience.

[Antihero]

oh, so now you're playing the shithead card and talking down to me. That'll earn you some brownie points.

eat rope, scumbag

[Antihero]

Saying that I'm not conftown =/= putting me back in the lynch pool

The former betrays a townish mindset. That latter advances a scum agenda.

[Antihero]

i was going to make a post about how much you've been had this game, waynegg

but then I said "fuck it"

fuck it

[Antihero]

What's scum is how they've engaged with the game outside of the claims. I already had a spat with Venmar about this, and Anti's just coasted except when I called out the possibility of a gambit.

coasting? for someone who replaced into a 170 page game?

[Antihero]

Reasonable doubt that Venmar/Anti is town because the only townie thing about the slot is the claim.

what's scum about them? the PGO claim to prevent them from being targetted?
venmar pushing on td then later calling him town?
venmar pushing on mac then later calling him town?
mastin's strong cop read on the slot?
the inquisitor claim which happens to fit pretty solidly within the setup?

choose one!

nacho, you're the only one in this game using one fucking iota of common sense

if you're scum i don't know what i'm going to do... besides...

cry...

[Antihero]

wait a minute...

why are we lynching BROseidon before Desperado?

[Antihero]

wait a minute...

why are we lynching BROseidon before Desperado?

[Antihero]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Desperado

[Antihero]

I can already tell you though that scumputer is going to say FTL has highest percentage chance of being scum and should be the logical lynch today before I even run it.

Well, you're the one voting me and I'm pretty sure my chances of being scum are in the single digits. Forgive me if I don't trust the "scumputer".

[Antihero]

you're a "universal read" the same way i'm a "universal read" buddy, by way of your claim.

nacho, please come in here and set everyone straight.

[Antihero]

Coming in to discount the principal of MATH the way you did, because you know ~ I was obviously considering changing it, just makes me happier with my vote.

flipped godather
venmar's play regarding TP and mac
no CC

tell me, waynegg, what does "the math" say about ^ that?

And I don't discredit you. You do a good enough job of that on your own.

[Antihero]

Are you a troll?

[Antihero]

I would ask you how the existence of a redirector would point to me being scum, but then i said "fuck it"

fuck it

[Antihero]

i was going to make a post about how much you've been had this game, waynegg

And see, that's the beautiful thing about how play. I lead without looking like it. Since I've replaced in, I've lead 2 scum lynches from my D1 reads, all while looking like I wasn't doing anything. Kinda like I'm doing right now.

Oh, so to answer my troll question, you

are

a troll. And a conceited one at that.

My last post points out an obvious gaping flaw in your logic, but you seem to be blissfully unaware of it.

So, yeah, you keep on trucking and thinking you're the superstar of the game, waynegg.

[Antihero]

me and varsoon havent talked for a week

must synch to remove dissonance

hey, when ya'll are doing this, please look at desperado

kthnxbye

[Antihero]

i don't know about bro being scum

he might be town who completely disregards common sense (he wouldn't be the only one)

[Antihero]

On the one hand, I want to lynch Desp because he's trying to lurk away pressure.

do it


dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
itttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

[Antihero]

nacho may very well be scum

but he's not currently pissing me off, so don't klil him hyyyet

[Antihero]

why aren't you voting desperado, nacho?

[Antihero]

And also, if we're at 10-2 why all the super conservative play?

oh, jeez, i know it

we should be voting for people who are obviously town

wait a minute...

[Antihero]

trust fund, remind me of your claim

[Antihero]

one-shot vanillaizer, eh?

what was the flavor that went along with it?

...

wait a second, what's investigating Broseidon going to prove?

[Antihero]

never mind about the flavor, the mod would've given you fake flavor if you're scum

still, what's investigating Broseidon going to do?

[Antihero]

so, it's mass claim time and when all these PRs are coming out of the woodwork the remaining scum sit back on their haunches and claim VT?

I don't know...

[Antihero]

VOTE: Nacho

[Antihero]

FTL investigates tonight, and we go from there. See you all (less ghostlin) tomorrow, probably.

(Don't worry ghostlin if it comes to it I won't hesitate to lynch nacho)

VOTE: Trust Fund

awful

[Antihero]

no, waynegg, I wasn't talking about the vote. I was talking about you. more specifically, the implication that TF must have done the kill. and the fact that you voted me while desperado was walking around with "scumbag" tattooed to his forehead. and the fact that you apparently think you're a mastermind.

that's awful.

T'would be sweet vindication to be right on Venmar

oh good. it seems that your ego is due for a little deflation

...oh who am i kidding? post-game you're going to blame it on me/venmar and still insist you're a god.

Fuck it.

[Antihero]

I don't get where all your hostility and personal attacks come from, but they need to stop. I'm cutting up and having fun and playing a game. A GAME. You're being a real douche and you should feel bad. You guys can lynch Nacho or whoever without me. Now I want antihero gone just for personal crap.

VOTE: antihero

And FYI, I know my strengths and weaknesses db. I'm good early and wan as more WIFOM muddles the thread. I completely suck at XYLO. Assholes like you take the fun out of playing.

yeesh, glass jaw anybody...?

i'm not saying you're an awful person. i'm not even saying you're a bad mafia player. you could be a great and intelligent person and a great mafia player (or you could... not be; I don't know you nearly well enough to make that call). the way you've approached your reads (specifically me) has been awful though. Me AND multiple people around you (namely, TF and nacho) have told you this and you refuse to listen, or even explain why I'm scum in the face of strong exculpatory evidence. Now, if that's ruining your fun, I guess I apologize, but i think that's a pretty accurate description of what's gone on in my time in this game.

what I WILL apologize for is my comment about what you would do post game. I've been tainted by people who have been so wrong and then stuck to their guns like arrogant assholes at the end of all of it, but i had absolutely NO reason to think that you were that way. for that, i am sorry

now, let's all go cool off and come back later, eh...?

[Antihero]

waynegg, i'm not saying that venmar wasn't scummy or that you didn't have good reasons. but scummy =/= scum and sometimes (OK, a lot of the time) the people you're most certain are scum just... aren't... (personal experience talking here)

the thing that's really grinding my gears about you though is that you overlook the obvious and now I'm just getting the feeling that you're twisting all the facts to fit your pet theory (prime example, the fact that I called you down on the fallacious "TF did the nightkill" argument; and you implied that was a scumtell). it's not a judgement. everyone does it sometimes (myself included).

[Antihero]

OK, I'm going to humor you and take an outside perspective for this one...

And then this

The scum flips

Passive ability assigner
Roleblocker
BP

Godfather

Goon

Mastin wasn't a Cop. He was a JK.

So, I have no reason to not think antihero is scum.

this role, in particular, strongly implies the existence of a cop.

now, if you want to say that the mod is just WIFOMing the scumteam, then OK. there's nothing I (nor anyone else) can say to that besides "it's very unlikely". fwiw, i've never been in a game where there's a godfather without a cop.

look. I get it. you don't like me. I suspect you didn't like venmar either. but likability does not correlate with what role PM we got. if you continue to pursue this, I guess I can't really say anything besides ... "no"...

[Antihero]

Yeah, so,ermines it doesn't. I totally agree with that. But I know my D1 reads are in general better than at any other point in the game. TF (cabd) can describe to you how I work.

so... what... you think it's a sign of weakness to admit your thought process might have lead you to the wrong conclusion?

...and don't think that I'm judging you here, either. This is a widely held belief that few people will admit to having. I myself fall into this trap. frequently.

[Antihero]

Nope. I flaw more than I hit. But Ihjt scum 40ish% which is still solid. Yours isn't the only name left from D1. It's just at the top.

OK, waynegg. Honestly, I think I'm finished in this conversation. Any time anyone points to any of the exculpatory evidence, you summarily break it down into its smallest components and dismiss them one at a time. If that's the way you want to play it, fine. Continue... I can't stop you.

It irritates me that I feel compelled to defend myself when I feel that it should be obvious why I shouldn't have to at this point. If that offends you, then sorry, but it's the truth. In general, defending against accusations when I know I have a town role PM is the aspect of mafia that I hate the most (that's why I'm secretly jealous of notscience right now). And now it's amplified by the fact that I have a claim that makes perfect sense and clears me 99% of the time.

[Antihero]

Here's the problem I have with both Nacho and Bro lynches. If either is scum, they offed their entire team. Nacho was even first up on AJ. That doesn't make much sense to me.

yeah, but once you put aside all the paranoia, all the PR claims make sense.

Andy claiming supersaint and then inviting people to lynch him? not likely a scum move, especially given that it's actually still on the table

Trust Fund's vanillaizer claim mostly makes sense. scum don't tend to antagonize their PR reads (like TF did to bro on day 1). I guess we don't know if TF really did target Bro or not, but then again if TF lied about that he would be busted if someone else claimed to be vanillaized or if a tracker targeted him.

Varsoon's claim is pretty solid. If he were a scum vanilla cop, it makes absolutely no sense that he would investigate a claimed PR.

I suppose it's

possible

that Mala redirected venmar on N1 or N2 (and I wish Mac and TD would get in here...), but it's unlikely.

I suspect that I'm picking nacho over bro because I'm being suckered by bro's AtE... hm... that might be problematic...

[Antihero]

what the literal hell is this
ANTIHERO
PLEASE READ THIS POST AND GIVE ME YOUR OPINION - TIA

NACHO

I'm trying to talk myself down from being so abrasive with wayne.

DON'T STIR THE POT

anyway, bro, read my most recent conversation with wayne, and that's exactly what I would say to you.

[Antihero]

I suspect that I'm picking nacho over bro because I'm being suckered by bro's AtE... hm... that might be problematic...

i can yell at you if you want me to

... I know... I'm a sucker for AtE...

...because I'm an idiot...

/hangs head in shame

[Antihero]

yeah, but once you put aside all the paranoia, all the PR claims make sense.

Andy claiming supersaint and then inviting people to lynch him? not likely a scum move, especially given that it's actually still on the table

Cue paranoia.

How perfect of a scum claim would it be for Andy to claim exactly what he claimed as scum. TSS that only vengeful a on town? Perfect sense for town to not lynch. Perfect sense for scum to leave hi in the game. Perfect claim if he can sell it, which apparently he has. Perfect. Andy does the unexpected often. See LotR. He came with straight up scum agenda that only third party would clearly pick up on, thus outing them. Do you have any idea how hard I had to work to get THAT lynch to go through.

I want to discuss the motivation behind Andy's claim before we end this day.

UNVOTE:

Well, if andy is scum... then...

...

he's going to lose.

Because of the investigative dimension of his claimed role, he actually gives us incentive to lynch him. And make no mistake, he's not going to live to see LYLO.

[Antihero]

ANTI YOU ARE MAKING SENSE.

VOTE ANDY SO OTHER PEOPLE CAN VOTE ANDY AND I CAN HAMMER.

I DIDN'T SAY TODAY

[Antihero]

@Bro:

i don't know...

style points?

getting it over with today?

[Antihero]

ANTIHERO
WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING BRO?

[Antihero]

YOU MIGHT HAVE DANCED ALREADY, BUT I'M NOT FINISHED YET

let's slow down for a second. we're almost there... just have to suss out a few things.

[Antihero]

there's some paranoia of trust fund and varsoon that I have to kill.

I await their posts and hope that they give me the weapons I need to slay those horrible beasts.

[Antihero]

someone remind me why we are killing andy here too?

we're using andy's claimed supersaint/cop-like power

please try to keep up

[Antihero]

VOTE: andy

varsoon or nacho can have the hammer

[Antihero]

i meant trust fund, not varsoon

[Antihero]

OH, i actually read page 219...

going back to my role PM...

[Antihero]

it says that if I receive two "Nissan alliance" results, I will no longer be able to use to use my ability (interrogate)

that's the only ability I have

[Antihero]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Varsoon

[Antihero]

hold on a sec... UNVOTE:

sorry for the multipost...

im not sure LOST HIS POWER and USED HIS POWER UP are the same thing though

Antihero: What happened when you lost your power?

well, i don't know. It was already gone when I got the role.

[Antihero]

well, i don't know. It was already gone when I got the role.

Ask Bork.
Additionally, ask him whether your results were "Mac is town, TD is town" or "Your investigation was innocent".

He got the TD and mac were members of the nissan alliance.

After he got the TD result, he was told that he had 1 of 2 strikes against him. After he got the Venmar result, he was told that he was relieved of his post and that he can't investigate anymore.

jk;ljhgyugyugyug

[Antihero]

VOTE: andy

[Antihero]

yep

VOTE: nacho

[Antihero]

oh, fuck this

3 man lylo for a game I wasn't even here most of the time for? screw... this...

can the scumbag please vote me? if i have to hammer, i'm not going to be happy

[Antihero]

YES OF COURSE I'M NOT SCUM

I'M WORSE

I'M THE GUY THAT'S GOING TO CHOSE WRONG AND LOSE FOR EVERYONE.

[Antihero]

balancewise, i'm liking varsoon for scum. it rounds out the scum prs with an investigative one. plus, if TF is scum, the setup seems kind of scum-sided (and TF's role seems kind of redundant, given the goddamn passive abilities inventor and a roleblocker).

[Antihero]

VARSOON

I... see... you...

get your ass in here

[Antihero]

ah, son of a bitch

[Antihero]

well, actually i take back what i said before. we have no way of verifying TF's claim

FURTHERMORE, varsoon got a non-VT result on TF, which, in hindsight, we kind of should have pursued further at the time...

did TF claim before or after Broseidon was a claimed VT?

[Antihero]

did you have any outed PRs at the end of Day 1?

[Antihero]

oh, so it's a one-shot vanillaizer that only works on scum, eh?

that's an interesting counterbalance to andy's role...

[Antihero]

/ugh

TF's claimed action makes sense and was protown. the only problem is that i have no way of actually knowing if he is who he says he is...

[Antihero]

re: lynch down the list:

cabd, of course, HAD to go with the plan. What was he going to say? "oh lulz, let's NOT lynch everyone besides confirmed town" It's all a wash.



What was Varsoon's track record with the investigation claim history? Did he actually claim something BEFORE his target claimed PR/vanilla?

[Antihero]

ok, so this is awesome, i have 2 claims where there's no way of verifying either of them.

you know, i want to sheep some dead people. what did mastin and mollie have to say about varsoon and trust fund?

[Antihero]

well danm

who am i going to blamef if i end upl misshammering?

mastin seemed pretty adamant that varsoon was town, thoguh

[Antihero]

shit

a

brick

[Antihero]

whatever

i'm going to end up mishammering and everyone's going to hate me for it

[Antihero]

no, because then i'd just feel guilty

[Antihero]

i'[m not hammering tonight

my head isn't nearly as clear as it needs to be for when i actually do hammer

i don't know, i'm staring at two unverifiable claims that kind of make sense. /ugh
i'll do some introspection and come back to this tomorrow.

[Antihero]

my gut is telling me it's trust fund.

then again my gut is just a gloppy mess that digests food, so it probably doesn't know what the hell it's talking about

stupid gut

[Antihero]

WITHOUT QUOTING YOUR PM TO THE MOD (obviously), paraphrase what you asked bork.

This isn't a goddamn black box. Preferably, get this to me before bork answers.

[Antihero]

I asked him how much of the section of my role card about how my power is lost I could quote vs paraphrase. Because if I can give you the wording of yours (as in worded same as mine) then given varsoon claimed two different results on us after we both had lost our abilities, it would solve the game for you.

well no, not really. you could be a scum PR with a 1 shot vanillaizer attached (or you could just be making the whole vanillaizer thing up, though it's less likely)

doesn't really solve my problem...

[Antihero]

Varsoon!!!!!!

i want to trust you

i really do

i've just been burned by you before

you hurt me...


will you hurt me again?

[Antihero]

this is a great point and that's what's kept me from hammering you, TF

personally, if I were designing this setup, I would round out the scum PRs with an investigative one

[Antihero]

We have no way of confirming your claim, which means you could be an investigative PR and we don't know it.

This.

you could have rolecoped Bro on N1, knew he was vanilla, and then claimed to have "vanilla-ized" him.

Also, if I hammer you, it's not because of some stupid "trust tell" thing. i think that bridge has already been burned a long time ago.

[Antihero]

...and through all this, I can't help but feel like i'm missing something really important...

[Antihero]

And now compare to this game...

Town:
Mason-Bodyguard
2-shot Vig
Inno Child
Supersaint that only kills town
JOAT
Mason-Backup Jailkeeper
Two-failure only cop (antihero's slot)
One of {every other night vanilla cop, one-shot vanillizer}

Scum:
Inventor (rach)
Roleblocker/1-shot redirector (malakittens)
Traitor/Godfather/Bulletproof (Aj the epic)
Goon (Desperado)
One of {every other night vanilla cop, one-shot vanillizer}


Which do you think makes more sense in each spot?

So, there's a few confirmable roles (the IC and the masons), a killing role, supersaint, nerfed investigative role, and we don't know what shots the JoaT had, but I'm willing to be there was some investigative shot in there.

/ugh, TF has a point. Varsoon's claim doesn't really make sense to round out the town

[Antihero]

oh, see there was an investigative shot

[Antihero]

but... see...

a 1-shot vanillaizer that ONLY works on scum

what?

[Antihero]

why would they need to confirm if a recruit worked in thread?

wouldn't they just... know? the following night when they either did or didn't have another member?

[Antihero]

Because TF could use a failed recruit as a way of 'confirming' a townie and making his own PR look more town?

but see, that doesn't make sense because if that were true, he would hold onto his shot a longer

[Antihero]

...which kind of brings up another point.

why did you use your shot on Night 1, TF?

[Antihero]

^bad

also, if you're scum and don't quickhammer in 3 man lylo when you have the chance, you suck and should have your appendages removed one at a time

[Antihero]

When AJ claimed he knew there was a traitor in the setup, I pushed for his lynch until I got it, believing he was the traitor. If I was scum, wouldn't it make more sense for me to play along with what he said, mislynch other people while 'hunting' for the traitor, and have a member of the scum-team recruit AJ?

This is awesome...

The Batman villain here is saying "oh lol, if I were scum, I would totally do the most conventional and expected thing in this situation".

[Antihero]

Let me know if you see any problems.

Yes mod,

I see a problem.

In your last vote coutn you did not put the name of the last scum in italics. Please fix this ASAP.

It's OK, we all make that mistake once in a while.

[Antihero]

If you got a vanilla on me, you really should have gotten a vanilla on TF too.

Neither of you seemed to make anything of it at the time, though (OK, maybe TF did, kind of, but .. yeah).

[Antihero]

I don't know, you guys are the masters of setup speculation. Furthermore, I never said that your one-shot ability was definitely a recruitment, but that it could be. As far as roles and PRs go, you could be fucking anything. In that regard, you could even be vanilla and my result

could have been manipulated

when I targeted you. I have no way of knowing. Basing a case on PR speculation/uncomfirmable claims isn't really useful. That's why I tend to be skeptical of anyone who uses a PR-claim to try to gain leverage over other players. Scum can do it just as easily as town.

The only person who could have done this got lynched Day 3, don't go there.

[Antihero]

yeah yeah yeah...

i'm just procrastinating because i don't want everyone to hate me

[Antihero]

/ugh, just from a role/logic perspective, I'm thinking Varsoon just has to be scum

I still get this nagging feeling from reading Varsoon's posts...

Maybe i'm just relating to the AtE style more than TF's more straightforward style

Alright, it's time to end this. VOTE: Varsoon

Sorry if I lost, I know you all spent 230 pages and got invested in this game. If I'm wrong, I will slam a toilet seat against my head 230 times as penitence. And give myself 230 swirlies for good measure.

[Antihero]

/phew

dodged a bullet there.

i thought i would have an angry mob after me....

[Antihero]

Sweet. You made the right call antihero. It's a shame borkie locked it so early, I was gonna claim scum in twilight to troll you.

oh well good thing he locked it

if you did this, i would have hunted you down and punched you in the face

[Antihero]

Did you tell the truth about all your results, Varsoon?

[Antihero]

Dead/Scum QTs?

This

I just want to read them to see what people say about me though.

[Antihero]

just read the dead QT.

Hey nacho,

thanks for saying "I believe" twice when everyone else was calling me an idiot (and saying "I believe" at the same time)

I appreciate it.