Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: BeautyAndTheBeast

mostly so mollie doesn't think i'm ignoring her

[Nachomamma8]

yeah i got replaced but i'm just going to pretend i'm still in the game and no one is gonna say shit.
understand?

[Nachomamma8]

O/

(Dunno what that emoticon means)

she cut her own head off to kill you with mustard gas
that's why that gassy stuff is yellow.

Nacho needs to get in here and POST

already calling me out? :/

Oh and for what it's worth, I'm rooting for Solaris. Sounds so much cooler than Nisan.

If I was hydraing with Syr, I would post a picture of a Nissan. Unfortunately, there is only me and I only have my wit.

Varsoon hydra is also scummy for whatever the fuck that waffle was on me.

Nope.

Then he should play in a way that will make scum want to kill him and pr's not want to!

this is so naive it's almost town

Kool Aid solves all problems

Ken Kesey style or Jim Jones style?

Which one is the one with a shitton of sugar?

Neither of those are questions, and you are stupid to think so. Putting a question mark on the end of something doesn't make it a question.

Fail slip dodge is fail. VOTE: Mac. Hey guys, I found an overeager scum, want to help me lynch it?

ok ok ok
nevermind
TD is town as fuck.

I'd ask what the motivation for that was, but hell if it even matters.

TOWN

Gah, it figures. How many times has this happened to me? Over the weekend, things start? Silly bork; he should have learned his lesson last time! To say the least, that puts me a bit behind this game. Let's try not to get another 10 pages while I'm catching up, 'kay? Now with that said, it'll be a while--I have other things to attend to. So, that'll be it for now. Time for me to get to work. (Oh, gods. We're in for a very long game. No way to have me procrastinate

this

game! )

hey i'm assuming you have reads now?

no mollie im not and you should know that.

TOWN

For once in this game I wish Majiffy/PM ( sign your posts darn it ) would stop asking useless questions and answer mine.

TD's outbursts have a lot of flail. His would look a bit townie if he wasn't flailing so hard, but all I see if scum flail and scum rage.

venny baby are you scum?

I feel like you and venny's bodies have been taken over by aliens or something cos I am barely recognising either one of you

i almost agree with this

also y'all leave nacho to fery and I if he is scum he will sit in a corner sucking his thumb while rocking back and forth and silently wishing for death

i would fuck you guys up, ftr.

O/

(Dunno what that emoticon means)

she cut her own head off to kill you with mustard gas
that's why that gassy stuff is yellow.

Nacho needs to get in here and POST

already calling me out? :/

Oh and for what it's worth, I'm rooting for Solaris. Sounds so much cooler than Nisan.

If I was hydraing with Syr, I would post a picture of a Nissan. Unfortunately, there is only me and I only have my wit.

Varsoon hydra is also scummy for whatever the fuck that waffle was on me.

Nope.

Then he should play in a way that will make scum want to kill him and pr's not want to!

this is so naive it's almost town

Kool Aid solves all problems

Ken Kesey style or Jim Jones style?

Which one is the one with a shitton of sugar?

Neither of those are questions, and you are stupid to think so. Putting a question mark on the end of something doesn't make it a question.

Fail slip dodge is fail. VOTE: Mac. Hey guys, I found an overeager scum, want to help me lynch it?

ok ok ok
nevermind
TD is town as fuck.

I'd ask what the motivation for that was, but hell if it even matters.

TOWN

Gah, it figures. How many times has this happened to me? Over the weekend, things start? Silly bork; he should have learned his lesson last time! To say the least, that puts me a bit behind this game. Let's try not to get another 10 pages while I'm catching up, 'kay? Now with that said, it'll be a while--I have other things to attend to. So, that'll be it for now. Time for me to get to work. (Oh, gods. We're in for a very long game. No way to have me procrastinate

this

game! )

hey i'm assuming you have reads now?

no mollie im not and you should know that.

TOWN

For once in this game I wish Majiffy/PM ( sign your posts darn it ) would stop asking useless questions and answer mine.

TD's outbursts have a lot of flail. His would look a bit townie if he wasn't flailing so hard, but all I see if scum flail and scum rage.

venny baby are you scum?

I feel like you and venny's bodies have been taken over by aliens or something cos I am barely recognising either one of you

i almost agree with this

also y'all leave nacho to fery and I if he is scum he will sit in a corner sucking his thumb while rocking back and forth and silently wishing for death

i would fuck you guys up, ftr.

Vote: Venmar

i don't see any good scumreads in thread so far so i guess it's a good thing i came along

[Nachomamma8]

Muffin is TOWN.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho came in. Nacho, when you've got some time, I want to talk.

Hello.

Nacho next time you are itt what are your thoughts about BRO?

Don't have any yet. Do you?

Hi Nacho

That's all you have for me...?

Now that I'm fully caught up, I would be down for wagoning Mac or Rach. I could easily want to wagon Mala depending on what she posts when she comes in.

Have you said anything interesting this game...?

To be fair nobody ever listens to my scumreads just like nobody wanted to listen to me about Rach in the last Xeno so I had to kill myself to get you people to realize it. Perhaps I shouldn't even try in this game.

The above unvote is actually me rethinking my read a little bit, but keep what I just said above in mind.

I'm willing to listen to your reads pretty strongly but you're ignoring me and not even trying to sell me on shit. Why is that?

Unvote, Vote: BRO

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Also seem to be against consensus on townreading FTL and Nick.

FTL townread is good. Nick one is probably good as well, but I'd love to hear your reasoning for it.

Hey, so nacho, I don't know if you've ever played in a game this big before, but with this many players you're not going to be able to get much out of voting someone without explaining it, even if a few people are already voting that person, because you just need so many votes to lynch. You need to explain your votes to try and get a bunch of other people to vote with you.

I generally know what I'm doing.

you just called me scum and voted for me.

This seems like something to comment on in and of itself, but maybe I'm expecting something that I shouldn't be. Do you have an opinion on BRO or Desp or Muffin?

nachomamma

you didn't even comment on anything i posted ;-;

It was my role, I used it as I saw fit. You crying doesn't change the past. I already said I was bored and decided to use it.

I hope you take constructive criticism better than this.

I'd honestly be surprised if you could come up with two town motivated things from Rach's ISO. She's scum.

I am currently definitely on board with this one.

I still think Jiffy hydra is scum.

What's your read on mollie?

For what it's worth I see town-Mollie on Page 13.

Vote: Malakittens

[Nachomamma8]

@nacho

what is

your

read on me?

If I thought you were scum, I would be voting you.

[Nachomamma8]

How is he playing differently? Why is that difference the scum difference?

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: RACHMARIE

redemption. sweet, sweet redemption.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, your thoughts on Mastin and Andy?

both town but i'm not as excited about mastin

[Nachomamma8]

Unless ofc I'm missing something here you weren't banned for claiming.

his trust tell was claiming that he was town

[Nachomamma8]

but we'll also know that FTL is definitely scum.

nope

[Nachomamma8]

Not townreading Nacho atm.

are you townreading rach?

[Nachomamma8]

How is Andy town?

gut.

Mastin looks like really, really lost town to me right now.

he doesn't seem THAT lost.
but you will need to draw the N2 NK for him because it's going to take a while for him to be awesome this game, probably.

but we'll also know that FTL is definitely scum.

nope

Why not?

neither of them have done anything even a little bit scummy which is extraordinarily surprising, considering the hydra.

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neither of them have done anything even a little bit scummy which is extraordinarily surprising, considering the hydra.

That's a huge stretch Nacho.

it sounds like it, right?
but these two are town take that to the bank and cash it in for a fine townie check.

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote

Mala you are town town town this game <3

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho's Andy read really worries me given what several of us know about Andy's scum play.

his opening is obviously different from Xenoblade and MyLo.
i'm not even more than normally confident Andy is town (haven't put my time in yet), but the cases I've skimmed so far aren't looking for the right things. The insult thing is a great aspect of his meta but you might be misinterpreting some of his insults.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho

I feel bad that you drew scum

where should i be voting right now?

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho's Andy read really worries me given what several of us know about Andy's scum play.

his opening is obviously different from Xenoblade and MyLo.
i'm not even more than normally confident Andy is town (haven't put my time in yet), but the cases I've skimmed so far aren't looking for the right things. The insult thing is a great aspect of his meta but you might be misinterpreting some of his insults.

it seems you have the wrong number.

[Nachomamma8]

What do you think of the mollie/ffery slots? I was looking at then and I just found their interactions odd and I know mollie suspected me last game but calling my wall fluff is just baaaad.

they are both town, my love.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho

I feel bad that you drew scum

where should i be voting right now?

Yourself or your scumbuddy andy

Either is fine

would you like a serious try? my offer was a serious one.

[Nachomamma8]

then i guess you're not getting my vote ;'(.
see you tomorrow, ns.

[Nachomamma8]

That was a serious request.

I know! Unfortunately, it is the type of request that takes time so let me troll around a bit while waiting for PMs and yell at me to do protown things in the morning.

[Nachomamma8]

Do you think that TiphaneD is frustrated with this game?

I find that I'm not very good at gauging whether frustration feels "fake" or not. There's occasionally frustration that burns a shiny genuine fire in my heart, but the TD frustration isn't it.

What's your read/analysis of Rach's posts?

Rach's earlier posting felt weak to me; it seemed like she was almost excessively lost and playing it up a bit to excuse a lack of any sort of content. But then there was a nice sort of progression of frustration that started out with a couple of apologies here and there but nothing overdone to the more recent post which hit that genuine vibe that I sometimes get from frustration very nicely. So I'm leaning town at the moment; not convinced, especially since my rach reading game has been pretty sub par as of late, but still leaning town.

What is your read/analysis of B&B's posts, especially considering the hydra dichotomy/dissonance that've merited some noise so far?

Town as hell because this isn't mollie's scum game.

What has you reading us as town in this game?

Metal Sonic is pretty much hitting all the town baselines I need for him. You are your usual townie self; GiF sees what I see so you probably won't be lynched this game.

What do you think of the people with least posts (SkullDuggery, AJ, Rach, Mastin, Desperado, Andrius, Ghostlin, MuffinMan)?
What do you think of the people with the most posts (B&B, TrustFund, SoS, Venmar, Me, and TiphaneD)?

My thoughts about most of these players are likely to come out during my catch up.

Mala's approach to scum hunting feels way too much like Mala's trying to insert that something is scummy and force players to trip themselves engaging on that front.

This is not at all an accurate description of Mala's scumgame.

(TD never voted Venmar)

Why lie about something like this?

the nacho never contributes much is a bunch of crap and untrue and there should more peeps than just me who will point this out.

I see no reason why nick would say this as scum if he knew it was a lie.
I think he legitimately believes I'm useless, somehow.

skull - <------scuuuuuuuuuuum. needs to be lynched with fire.

I agree with this.

Meh, he's the only one in this game who has managed to see mac scum. You'll excuse me if I don't want him lynched.

It doesn't make sense that you're townreading Nick for scumreading Mac.

(See. This is me lying. This is me showing a bit more confidence, even though I'm actually having less and less confidence. I told you it'd be closer to the me you're used to, despite it being a lie. )

Town but please stop being so self-conscious!

I LIKE the nick wagon, he's all over the place, but I'm 99% sure Mala is scum again.

I'm 99% sure you're town but I don't have the confidence in your Mala read. Sell me if you can!

I'm currently locked out of my house. ._.

<3
I do that to myself a lot.

{mastin, FTL} pick your lynch, step right up. I'm saving people seats on the mastin wagon. Choo Choo, motherfuckers.

Your wagons could be better

Nacho, your thoughts on Mastin and Andy?

both town but i'm not as excited about mastin

aww hell just put me down as super excited about both of them.

How much do you want notscience dead this very minute?

i don't want science dead at all. I do want science to play at his normal level of towniness and have fun with the IC role, though.

the fuck are you smoking

I think it makes sense that I wasn't picking up townreads earlier. Why do you disagree?

nacho hold me all the women are scum

don't worry baby they're all town (except not completely RACH but shhhh)
and some of the cool guys are town too

10. Nachomamma8 - your posts suck nacho, where's the love

hey bb some of your reads are not able to be accepted

Preeeeeettyyy sure Nacho is town.

I think.

if you are town this game I am very impressed.

Now that we can talk about it, Andy's walls in this game tone-wise seem more like his walls in the perpetual lylo game than his early walls in the first Xeno game.

Andrius never aggressively defended himself that game, he pretended he was confident you were scum except was inconsistent in his appeals to me, constantly took irrelevant pot shots at our hydra, has already posted more in this game than he has in that one, never declared himself obvtown in that game like he has here (and he really is). He never even PUT A FUCKING VOTE DOWN in perpetual mylo or had consistent suspicions; he was too busy throwing mud all over the place he forgot he was supposed to have actual suspicions. This isn't perpetual MyLo. Scumreading you is pretty much the only parallel.

Dunnnnnn tell me what to do... i'm sleeeephy as fuck atm

My scumreads are mastin and ftl, maybe nick.

Andrius should be lynched sometime not today, maybe tomorrow. I think Mastin should go first.

mollie i'm just saying this doesn't feel at all like Venmar-town.

Would you say that this is applicable all the time or do you think Scum would be more likely to bus their partners early on day one since they know that it likely won't go anywhere serious?

empty question.

I think a better question is why would a Doctor try to protect a claimed PGO in the first place? Just to see if he's faking it?

empty question.

Any particular reason you'd assume that Scum has day-talk this game? (Did they have it in Xenoblade, maybe?)

empty question, considering he gives you an out in the question itself making it SUPER useless.

If you tell a lie often enough, does it become truth?

If you say that you're Town often enough, does that make you Town?

was there supposed to be a reason why you're voting Mastin or did I miss it in all the dancing?

If you tell a lie often enough, does it become truth?

If you say that you're Town often enough, does that make you Town?

EVERYONE IN TOWN, WATCH THIS CLIP:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber ... -questions

COMPARE IT TO WHAT SKULL JUST DID. AND THEN CONSIDER THAT MALA JUST SAID SHE SUPPORTED THIS VOTE.

You are town.

SoS hasn’t really been posting

I find this post slightly amusing for we're the second most posted player in this game.

I find it amusing AND scummy. But maybe I'm just a little bit crazy.

So if people have reasons
other than "MASTIN WAGON IS BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD" or "MASTIN'S WAGON IS SCUMDRIVEL AND THE PEOPLE ON IT ARE LAZILY PUSHING IT FOR THINGS", I'm happy to hear it. Until then, more votes on mastin, and the rest of you can go to hell.

your case sucked. the best point was the "I'M TOWN" thing and that unfortunately isn't really a scum tell for most and is a hell of a town tell for mastin.

Ok.

I think the "scumslip" is shit fyi. I have other reasons for thinking Mastin is scum

but

I'm being kept on a leash.

sorry majiffy. i'll listen to you if you want me to!

.............................................

Yeah, I think I'm best off just ignoring you until it's time to lynch you.

you're gonna be sorely disappointed if you think that time is gonna come soon.

if andy flips scum I am thinking nacho is a good candidate for a partner. he should have zeroed in on the similarities of andy's pl game and instead chose to ignore them. he is out of step plus he is picking on girls.

...!
If anything, girls have been picking on me. Hell, everyone has been picking on me and Majiffy.

I don't think Rach is a very good D1 lynch though,

Why not?

Yo Thez

Let me tell you a little secret

that's not enough to vote nor will you get enough

Cabd, what do you think the odds are if Nacho flips scum that Rach is too? Given his naked vote on her and her townread?

hey i'm liking your most recent contributions!

God, that's like smoking a cigarette.

SO GOOD

[Nachomamma8]

^^^content

Vote: Skullduggery

I am so incredibly ready for this lynch it's not even funny.

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that wall was so long just pretend it was a case on skull and that it's so long it has to be fucking great and vote this scumbag with me

[Nachomamma8]

hey venmar are you gonna vote skull or...?

[Nachomamma8]

@Nacho - Not voting skull cause it's basically a lurker lynch, we're gonna get fuck all from his flip in either case

...?

[Nachomamma8]

Please tell me you didn't just utter those words to me. You are a player who has moved so far past information lynches it isn't even funny.

[Nachomamma8]

Mollie put votes down in that game. I'm not surprised that as a hydra he didn't vote.

If she wasn't around, he would have no problems putting the vote down.

Can you explain what I'm missing re the purposefulness of his insults in this game?

The ragey explanation makes me wonder because I have the impression that most of the emotional content of his posts is a sort of over the top role play. I can imagine a sort of reality-based seed of anger over stuff like the out of the blue IC claim. Raging over it is pointless.

His insults towards NS aren't throwing mud at any townblocks, and are geared towards kicking his ass into gear (and I agree completely it should be kicked into gear). Other insults are gentle, more joking.

Can you make sense of his case for me/us being scum? I can't.

so page one ffery comes in going MOLLIE LETS DO DIS
mollie shows up doesn't really do things etc
ffery is all WHERE YOU AT MOLLIE
then jiffy takes over for awhile and ffery forgets about it

if this META is so GOOD and WORKS why the hell would ffery back off when jiffy shows up?

This is the basis of his paranoia and makes sense.

Also, would like your thoughts about my reasons for scum-BRO read.

I'm still watching. I'm not sure BRO would feel uncomfortable wearing the Xenoblade recent win cloak as scum at all.

[Nachomamma8]

Mollie put votes down in that game. I'm not surprised that as a hydra he didn't vote.

If she wasn't around, he would have no problems putting the vote down.

Can you explain what I'm missing re the purposefulness of his insults in this game?

The ragey explanation makes me wonder because I have the impression that most of the emotional content of his posts is a sort of over the top role play. I can imagine a sort of reality-based seed of anger over stuff like the out of the blue IC claim. Raging over it is pointless.

His insults towards NS aren't throwing mud at any townblocks, and are geared towards kicking his ass into gear (and I agree completely it should be kicked into gear). Other insults are gentle, more joking.

Can you make sense of his case for me/us being scum? I can't.

so page one ffery comes in going MOLLIE LETS DO DIS
mollie shows up doesn't really do things etc
ffery is all WHERE YOU AT MOLLIE
then jiffy takes over for awhile and ffery forgets about it

if this META is so GOOD and WORKS why the hell would ffery back off when jiffy shows up?

This is the basis of his paranoia and makes sense.

Also, would like your thoughts about my reasons for scum-BRO read.

I'm still watching. I'm not sure BRO would feel uncomfortable wearing the Xenoblade recent win cloak as scum at all.

[Nachomamma8]

best meta-based scumhunters

This means nothing to me.

If you discount a style of scumhunting, you miss out on a lot of good stuff and suffer as a player as a result.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't think he'd lie about that.

[Nachomamma8]

It's something that seems pretty much useless to lie about except to shuffle weak suspicion onto someone who he knows is never ever ever getting lynched.

[Nachomamma8]

At the time I thought the effort level was really genuine and towny. I'm getting the same feel from his over the top AtE here.

I'm not seeing the comparisons.

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I'm more interested in what you think about this part of my reply to Ghostlin.

Andy sometimes is not on top of his shit. I'm more interested in waiting for him to come in with another post and people to start voting Skull, though.

Stop lynching Skullduggery. If my theory is correct, Skull is town.

No.

OK. It doesn't particularly bother me if it never happens, but hopefully you can understand why I'm going to ignore every argument about meta.

Yes I understand that you're willfully ignorant that two of the best meta-based scumhunters on the site are agreeing Andy is playing to his scum meta.

That doesn't make you any less dumb for being so.

This is soooo going to piss off Cabd.

It's okay I'm already over it. But yes, that's THREE meta-based players, not two.

And three meta based players take a terrible tumble.
I think ffery will catch onto Andy-town first because she's the best meta-based player out of this group.
The question lies in who will fetch second place?

[Nachomamma8]

Nachomamma8 is scum.

:'(
i thought you of all people would see the true me

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nacho can you point to somewhere, anywhere, where andy did this much posturing and chest thumping and called for a broforce? or when he banged on incessantly about being in a "rage"? tia

I'm done talking about him for a little while.

Sorry for the confusion. That was about BRO.

I'm not sure that he would be less cautious as scum this game and more likely to miss things like that. What do you think of his push on you for a liar tell?

You know that Rach connects herself to other scum obviously, right? Because... Cabd just gave 2 links of doing so, and apparently has more. Besides, there's always some connection, but the point is, Rach is scum.

Unless I read something wrong there are also examples that don't follow the trend you describe, which means that it's not even a trend.

And it's not limited to just Rach. Mastin's post reads like a deleted scene from A Beautiful Mind and I don't understand how that brand of scumhunting is useful D1.

Useful? Maybe not, but you can't duplicate that level of crazy. Like you can't really fake Varshoons 1141.

!!!

Nacho, lets make a deal. You help me lynch one of my scumreads, and i'll take a nice looooooooooooooong look at Skull and interactions around his slot during the night.

I'm not ready yet. I'm too afraid of having my heart broken.

[Nachomamma8]

the "last" episode i remember watching was when robin finds out slade had a hallucinogenic psychedelic which makes him crazy

you missed the boss battle
and all of season 5

[Nachomamma8]

Sorry for the confusion. That was about BRO.

I'm not sure that he would be less cautious as scum this game and more likely to miss things like that. What do you think of his push on you for a liar tell?

I feel like you're not really addressing the more substantive point there.

I thought it was pretty dumb. And I thought it was odd that he didn't push harder if he was serious about me dropping a liar tell.

Maybe.
CABD
what do you think of BRO?

Intro post. Ill catch up tomorrow probably! No promises. NS is scum......

Ermm NS catch me up

Mutley I have my vote on you.

I have asked for feedback on bro about rw

nacho, cabd, mac and yeah metal was in that game too! can you guyz plz answer this?

I don't remember RW much. I'll talk about this in the morning.

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this thread is hell to catch up on. Reading too fast at times

nacho why your vote on me?

cos i thought that guy you replaced was scum
you aren't showing me that he wasn't

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho could you explain why you saw skull as scum? Cause I had him as null and likely to be replaced...

i'll let mutley shine his towniness and that discussion might not even need to be had again

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I have asked for feedback on bro about rw

nacho, cabd, mac and yeah metal was in that game too! can you guyz plz answer this?

the way he sorted me out here was awkward compared to the way he sorted me out in rw.
i don't see anything else significant.

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That's cos I forgot how to trick you

Sucks for you! I'd recommend making a push on me your next post for me not reading you right.

Rach is town, sorry we're not gonna lynch her.

Vote: TiphaineDeath

Why are you avoiding the Mutley wagon?

Yeah his absence, which is in line with his scum meta i think

even you acknowledge that this is weak as fuck
how do you expect people to believe in your reads if you have no CONVICTION?

Hence why I said be scum soon . NS is never scum against me

any thoughts on things in thread?

[Nachomamma8]

:'(
why couldn't you be scum

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: RachMarie

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho

Why the bad vote on Rach

Probably because it's not such a bad vote

[Nachomamma8]

- No I didn't.

TD's scum according to meta because of some lurking I think is some weak shit, venny.

- I expect you to stop buttfucking Skulls slot and consider it. Or is that too much to ask.

I considered it and tossed it into the void where it belonged. Did you expect something different?

[Nachomamma8]

Why are you avoiding the Mutley wagon?

- Why are you assuming total bullshit

"wagon is null cuz skull lurked" is not such a strong position that i would expect a response like this.

[Nachomamma8]

if you're too lazy to give me the good reasoning, you should see why i view your reasoning as weak. but you don't. why?

[Nachomamma8]

and you say you want me to consider it but you know I've considered most wagons by now. you know it always takes a little effort to convince me and what you posted wasn't going to in any world. but instead of going "trust me, i have good shit" like you usually do when you're being a lazy fuck, you attack me for tunneling mutters (when I'm not even doing that?) and tell me I should at least consider it. Why?

[Nachomamma8]

I'm saying that I personally don't think it's weak, which is what you tried to say before right?

I'm saying you know that reasoning you have given thus far is weak. Isn't it?

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho

Why the bad vote on Rach

Probably because it's not such a bad vote

We think it is a bad vote. :/

I really don't like that there's so little synchronicity in our reads this game.

the wagons in this game are boring

[Nachomamma8]

you are town, mollie is town, syr is town, mala is town, varsoon is town, muffin is town, andrius is town, ghostlin is town, mastin is town, mac is town, venmar is town.

i don't think rach is town. rach and I have had some pretty good games together and I think her assertion that she's just bad on D1 is a lie. I've recently killed her as scum N1, I've killed her as scum before, etc. she is aware of mollie and ffery interactions and she is better than "mollie is buddying with X" because she knows your style well enough to know it as a town norm for mollie. her "yeah it's super unlikely that someone is scum in back to back games" seemed pretty fucking fishy to me considering she's never brought up gambler's fallacy ever with me even though I've been scum in a row a couple times with her before. she's been focused in telling us where we should be looking but she hasn't taken those glances herself, repeatedly calling herself an easy lynch, etc. etc. She had TWO scum reads (one of them her counterwagon) and it doesn't feel like she's trying to get any more. and in the end i suppose she's still town but i know she can do better than this.

mutley's slot is probably scum still. skull had a bunch of useless questions and a sketch fucking replace out (please don't let my play affect your opinion of my replacement) and mutley isn't even looking like a facade of his town play. he can't even give us two suspects except the easy one? his interactions with me are also awkward as fuck so there's a bonus.

i would love to have a strong read on BRO, but he's lurking and cabd's meta read is nowhere to be found even though it should really be in thread by now if he wasn't such a lazy lazy boy.

if my feelings on saki are anything close to correct, he's all but confirmed scum with that replace in.

TD scum? nick scum? lurk central. i don't want to be the one to move first in this game but nothing good is gonna come if i don't, it feels like.

[Nachomamma8]

:'(
why couldn't you be scum

I do not understand how you're seeing town in Mutley's post.

i wasn't. i wanted to see if his tone would change if i suddenly read him as scum. it didn't.

[Nachomamma8]

it's like i'm your date to high school prom or somethin

[Nachomamma8]

don't i mean more than that to you?

[Nachomamma8]

I thought we were married.....

me too, mutters.
me too.

[Nachomamma8]

So there were 24 pages from after I went V/LA.

And I was already behind when I went V/LA like 8 pages.

I apologize in advance for not being caught up probably until N1 or D2.

who was your strongest townread?

[Nachomamma8]

i'm going to vote her until she gives me something to work with.

[Nachomamma8]

no.

[Nachomamma8]

You, it seems. But I backed off so you could do your thing and show me a beautiful light of towniness instead of this too scummy to be scum which is seeming to be a trend of sorts lately.

[Nachomamma8]

did you figure out what else was wrong with that post yet

do you know why i'm attacking venmar?

[Nachomamma8]

Do you have any reasons other than the fast wagon?

[Nachomamma8]

Could you explain that?

[Nachomamma8]

You, it seems. But I backed off so you could do your thing and show me a beautiful light of towniness instead of this too scummy to be scum which is seeming to be a trend of sorts lately.

I think you think you have meta on me rather than realising I have a mood meta to alignment meta

your mood affects how you play
it effects how i play too!
hence me backing off.

[Nachomamma8]

his posts were generally shorter and more frequent.

funny, venny said that td has a lurkish meta

[Nachomamma8]

I see. Is there a reason why you need to be fully caught up before you can put your vote somewhere useful?

[Nachomamma8]

His vote on you had solid trajectory,

Hmmm?

[Nachomamma8]

don't care about that. take me though TD's trajectory on mac.

[Nachomamma8]

I swear you are just replacing into all my games to try and get me lynched

I remember a frustrated scumbutt used this as a defense once.

I was that scumbutt.

cool story, but saki has tried to PL me in every game

i don't really care in why saki is lynching you.
i care why i'm not lynching you.

[Nachomamma8]

wait is 1971 calling me scum

oh boy

?

[Nachomamma8]

This head still doesn't like nacho, but slowly leaning that it's more being disappointed in nacho's play than actually scumreading him :\

I'll swing back into the groove of things soon enough. I tried to do something different and draw negative attention early since a majority of this playerlist has a problem smoothly attacking me as scum but that didn't work how I hoped it would.

[Nachomamma8]

It did, but boring things that I could have figured out normally. I'll have more explain-y posts when I have more time, but the only REALLY interesting things were mastin and Venmar, mastin in a town way and venmar in a not so town way. But mastin's town for other reasons and I can't get a handle on Venmar for the life of me, so.

[Nachomamma8]

i don't like how his one liner and lurkish posts kind of mirror his scumgame from Xenoblade, and I definitely don't like how he loses most of his motivation to stay active and contribute after the pressure on him disappears.

ffery does this mirror your opinion of his scumplay?

[Nachomamma8]

nd, Nacho, you're going to have to show me some more of my Nacho before I actually believe that you were drawing negative attention intentionally.

That's fair enough.

Back into your hydra, jiffy.

Reading up, but this "muffin tunnels the fuck out of rach" thing is starting to give me TD-MS a la xenoblade vibes.

This means nothing to me.

but I think Nacho was also dissatisfied with that convo.

Yup. Although I'm also pretty dissatisfied with Rach this game

nacho v Venmar seems to be not T v T but I wouldn't bet on it

what does this mean saki

...I still don't get why drunken ATE is a ticket to day two, btw. If ffery and co would like to explain that, that would be greaaaaaat.

He was never scum in the first place...? Is there a reason you're ignoring my meta read on Andrius?

[Nachomamma8]

Might be one scum / might be both scum between Venmar and you, based on your recent interactions.

yeah what is this based off of...?

[Nachomamma8]

Really, I have no idea why someone would seriously go "Let's play mafia" while drunk.

Drunk logic doesn't make much sense, hence drunk logic.

[Nachomamma8]

Sorry guys n gals...

Will get back here later, just got up a bit ago and not awake yet.

...

[Nachomamma8]

no, they're currently gonna lynch andrius and andrius will flip town and everyone will go HOW DID YOU KNOW NACHO
HOW DID YOU KNOW

[Nachomamma8]

nope it isn't. that's not my meta source. my meta source is his heart.

[Nachomamma8]

Sure. But I don't want to defend him without him coming in here and doing his thing and I don't feel particularly inclined to move off you right now because you're not really giving us anything to go off of for this day. It also pings for me that you say that you'll play better in later days; as I said before, I've never had a problem with you day 1 and i don't think it's due to you busy and stuff i think you just haven't really been giving this town the Rach they need and deserve

[Nachomamma8]

i'm going to fucking strangle andrius

[Nachomamma8]

if you're just lynching yourself because you're too lazy to catch up i'm gonna WRECK YOU
or if you're just lynching yourself because it will give good "information"

[Nachomamma8]

can everyone just grow a pair for 5 minutes and call andy on his bluff otherwise you are treating him like retarded town when he isn't

mollie do you think i am scum this game?
vote me.

if you don't GET THE FUCK OFF OF ANDRIUS

[Nachomamma8]

can everyone just grow a pair for 5 minutes and call andy on his bluff otherwise you are treating him like retarded town when he isn't

mollie do you think i am scum this game?
vote me.

if you don't GET THE FUCK OFF OF ANDRIUS

sorry but what did i say in xenoblade
"andy is town trust me he's a sexy man and i love him"
"nooo, i am paranoid!"

he flipped town
i need you to see eye to eye with me right now and trust me
no logic
nothing but trust
come into these open town arms and stop skitzoing on andylove

[Nachomamma8]

cmon mollie
come into these open arms like i know you want to

[Nachomamma8]

nacho

do what he says

he says to split votes. i'm splitting votes.

[Nachomamma8]

this is the slowest rach scum lynch i have ever seen in my life...

[Nachomamma8]

guys i'm still gonna lynch rach

[Nachomamma8]

Answer my question, Nacho~~

seems pretty unnecessary.

[Nachomamma8]

i'll see you on d2 varsoon.

[Nachomamma8]

Why is no one taking me seriously in this game?

I'll take you seriously when you're on topic. But when you're asking for me to reiterate why Rach is scum this close to deadline and when we're not going to flashwagon anywhere else or when you're attacking andy for a "see you D2" tell you're going to get a disapproving look and probably won't be taken seriously by me.

[Nachomamma8]

Stance on Rach: She is scum. She's done approximately nothing this game and is following her scum meta to a T, which includes 6 days of her posting nothing but asking me to explain my stance on the skull slot because skull was a null to her and he wasn't to me.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: BRO

[Nachomamma8]

Arby's Roast beef sandwiches

are fuckin dope!

[Nachomamma8]

Bro why would you assume that? Each game is randomized and its a very low chance that you are scum in BOTH games? Especially since this time its not multiball as per the OP.

Because RVS is arbitrary, so people could be like, "well, he was scum last game and won, so let's RVS here." It's as good of a reason as any.

Something other than oh he was scum last time please.

You do realize no one said that, right? Or did I miss that?

I'm like 50% convinced that Rach doesn't actually read games in any amount of detail >.>

Cause though I can see how that would look scummy, the fact we have a wagon build up this fast this early before everyone has even posted kinda sets up my scumdar a tad.

This is important. That TD wagon built faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast. That alone makes me think TD is town.

Mac isn't a controversial read. Only you and TD are reading her as scum, and you're both wrong about it. If I need to go over why, I will later. Currently in the process of doing something else at the moment that requires much more of my attention.

As for FTL, the back-and-forth with the MS head is what gave me the town read, and again if I need to go into more detail, later.

...Ignores that I am also scumreading Mac.

The general ease with which people are handing out townreads is making me nervous, given that I abused the fuck out of that last game to coast to the win.

Now that I'm fully caught up, I would be down for wagoning Mac or Rach. I could easily want to wagon Mala depending on what she posts when she comes in.

VOTE: Mac

here are your interactions with rach + the hammer vote

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho needs to get in here and POST

already calling me out? :/

[qu
ote="In post 709, Desperado"]I'd honestly be surprised if you could come up with two town motivated things from Rach's ISO. She's scum.

I am currently definitely on board with this one.
[/quote]

VOTE: RACHMARIE

redemption. sweet, sweet redemption.

Not townreading Nacho atm.

are you townreading rach?

Rach's earlier posting felt weak to me; it seemed like she was almost excessively lost and playing it up a bit to excuse a lack of any sort of content. But then there was a nice sort of progression of frustration that started out with a couple of apologies here and there but nothing overdone to the more recent post which hit that genuine vibe that I sometimes get from frustration very nicely. So I'm leaning town at the moment; not convinced, especially since my rach reading game has been pretty sub par as of late, but still leaning town.

don't worry baby they're all town (except not completely RACH but shhhh)

Vote: RachMarie

etc. etc. etc.

[Nachomamma8]

"I scumread her enough at the start to vote her but now think she might be town but let me distance more."

and i seemed to vote her for most of the day despite you who didn't end up voting her or talking to her except for quickhammer?

hell i called her leaning town but i kept my vote on her and pretty clearly pushed her over andrius in that whole dichotomy, so you're arguing that i protected her but that's a pretty shitty protection job dont ya think?

[Nachomamma8]

oh and let's not forget how many people called me scum w/andy because i wasn't pushing him and pushing for Rach "easy mislynch" Marie instead.

BUT NO ITS DISTANCING AND PROTECTING ALL AT ONCE

[Nachomamma8]

oh and B&B is scum on the other end for NOT being on the Rach wagon
because that totally makes sense right

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho was late to the wagon.

third on the wagon versus hammer
HMMMMM

[Nachomamma8]

PROTECTING OR BUSSING BRO PICK YOUR POISON

[Nachomamma8]

it felt like you were not pushing for Rach nearly as hard as town-you normally would.

if i wasn't playing actively enough yesterday, that is a separate concern. but i was pretty publicly and adamantly for a rach lynch yesterday, and probably would have pushed it harder if people that i normally listen to weren't screaming "NO NACHO NO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING"

[Nachomamma8]

EARLY WAFFLEY PROTECT INTO BUS.

HOW ABOUT THAT.

early waffley protect into bus into late waffley bus describes my interactions with her pretty solidly, actually. don't you agree?

[Nachomamma8]

townread her early

LEANING TOWN READ EARLY FOR 1 POST

[Nachomamma8]

you are currently holding me up to an unfair standard, BRO. you are using interactions where I waffled with my read on rach and thought she was town OVER the big picture, which is that i ended up pushing rach for the majority of the day yesterday (yes I did have a side-venture in pushing mutley, but hey i stopped that pretty quick didn't i), and ended up giving that wagon my support for the most of the day. i didn't have a huge part in pushing rach herself, but i did have a huge part in stalling the counterwagon on andy, which you also seem to miss. so if you're going to throw out the "waah waah no one's listening to me" shit out, then you need to give me some big picture things because right now it's sounding an awful lot like bullshit. when you town flail, you usually don't need to play with emotions while you do it but that's exactly what you're doing here.

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: Venmar

i still want this dead as my #1 priority. i will put on my town leader's heir hat tomorrow and talk this out w/andylove.

[Nachomamma8]

The waffley-ness on Rach is somewhat troublesome, but so is the push on Skull/Mutt. Skull/Mutt was not a good push. They weren't doing anything; the slot was incredibly null. Why would you go onto that push OVER Rach, who was being incredibly scummy throughout the day?

i was being told to reanalyze by read on rach by ffery and cabd, so of course i'm going to reanalyze my read on rach. skull was not "null", no one is null when you have a decent town baseline for them and they are acting completely different than they normally do.

Also, why are you bringing up the fact that you've had a bad run of reading Rach when discussing your tenativeness to read her as scum early, but you aren't saying the same about me? Last I checked, you've misread me in 3 of our most recent games together (Fire and Ice, Xenoblade, and Jobpick where you thought I was scum even though you were scum yourself).

you were mantis's read in fire and ice, i read you as own pretty earliy on and was feeling pretty good about that until lurker mode. xenoblade, yes. jobpick, no. i was scum and not seriously scumhunting by any means. not to mention that how the rach read evolved and how this read on you is evolving is pretty damn different: i did not get a strong read on you and have people disagree with that read as soon as i tossed it out.

[Nachomamma8]

Skull has a fairly small opus of games iirc.

I only need three transparent town games in order to form a good town baseline, sometimes only two. Skull is one of those transparent town people.

[Nachomamma8]

pedit: Cabd maybe you got blocked or redirected? I'll pm Bork asking if I should have received anything...

[Nachomamma8]

Skull has a fairly small opus of games iirc.

I only need three transparent town games in order to form a good town baseline, sometimes only two. Skull is one of those transparent town people.

I feel like this is dangerous logic, btw.

it's worked for 4 years.
i probably won't be refining a basic principal any time soon.

[Nachomamma8]

i don't have time right now but i'm reading bro as sort of more town than before now, please leave him alone for a little while.

[Nachomamma8]

guess she was scum just pushed with bad execution :/

i don't like how you blame you not figuring out rach was scum due to the push on her as opposed to your own faulty reads. i also don't like you dropping the td scumread in the way you did.

it's gonna be a fun day, huh venny?

[Nachomamma8]

stating that it was the push on rach that made her look town instead of your meta on her.
right?

[Nachomamma8]

the push on her made her look town because of the way some of the people were pushing it,

really? that's not what you were saying yesterday!

[Nachomamma8]

i don't need a bigger hole to throw this scumfuck to the wolves.

[Nachomamma8]

Don't lynch Venmar, don't try to vig Venmar. He. is. town. Period. End of discussion. 'Kay?

Nope. Especially when you're not reanalyzing even a little bit.

[Nachomamma8]

okay andrius I am sold.

VOTE: mastin

no this is town mastin

[Nachomamma8]

Thanks for already stating what I just did Nacho & AJ.

It means different things coming from different people.

[Nachomamma8]

20. Venmar Dude what you smokin? Not sure what I have done to you

BUDDY TELL DETECTED

[Nachomamma8]

Mala/FTL?

I don't like these suspects.

[Nachomamma8]

the thing with venny is that pgos are usually policy lynched so why would you do that and not follow it up with with a town heavy-looking play.

millers are supposed to be policy lynched too.
policy lynches don't usually go through on this site. I don't know why he wouldn't be throwing out the heavy town play regardless of alignment, but I could easily see him not being able to fake it as scum.

[Nachomamma8]

20. Venmar Dude what you smokin? Not sure what I have done to you

BUDDY TELL DETECTED

Except she has far, FAR more buddy tells which're

worse

for YOU.

I'm going to No-Sell you this game, Nacho. Your bullshit will not pass.

I'll force scum to kill me before you get me lynched. Be prepared for a hard reset.

[Nachomamma8]

they most certainly do go through that is why there are some threads about them in md.

i can't remember the last miller/PGO policy lynch that I've seen on that site. there are people who talk about things happening but they very rarely do.

[Nachomamma8]

idk. I am having to marry that venny has stated in games that he is losing interest and it makes his performance mediocre. he did this as town in the legends game.

he was also pretty fucking town in the legends game. he's not that town here. what do you think of him blaming rach's scumflip on the PUSH on her when he didn't say shit about the push on her yesterday?

[Nachomamma8]

idk. I am having to marry that venny has stated in games that he is losing interest and it makes his performance mediocre. he did this as town in the legends game.

he was also pretty fucking town in the legends game. he's not that town here.

what do you think of him blaming rach's scumflip on the PUSH on her when he didn't say shit about the push on her yesterday?

I thought he did.

He DID say the wagon was shit a few times, but it was always him talking about Rach's meta and how he was reading rach town based off that.

[Nachomamma8]

legends.

wait are you talking about hidden temple?

[Nachomamma8]

I would be pissed at my scummate if he did this.

I would be too. I would also be more likely to go absolute balls-out as a PGO than I would as scum fake-claiming PGO.

[Nachomamma8]

not if you were apathetic town. see my point here?

yes.
i will compare to hidden temple

[Nachomamma8]

Seriously, this is beginning to tick me off. Apparently, I need to spell it out for you.

V-E-N-M-A-R-I-S-T-O-W-N. Venmaristown. Err, Venmar is town.

The attempt to lynch him is INCREDIBLY scum-driven. I cannot emphasize this enough.

nacho I found the reason he thinks we're scum

yeah i think i got that one

[Nachomamma8]

Friday - By Rebeca Black

Wisdom Lynching - Venmar

Seven a.m., waking up in the

nightless

morning
Gotta be fresh, gotta go downstairs
Gotta have my bowl, gotta have cereal
Seein' everything, the time is goin'
Tickin' on and on, everybody's rushin'
Gotta get down to the

Thread

Gotta

Challenge Wisdom

, I see my friends (My friends)

Kickin' in the front seat

of the wagon

Sittin' in the back seat

of the wagon

Gotta make my mind up
Which seat can I take?

It's

Wisdom Lynching Time, Wisdom Lynch Time

Gotta get down on

That Wisdom Lynching Time

Everybody's lookin' forward to the

wagon, wagon

Wisdom Lynching, Wisdom Lynching

Gettin' down on

Wisdom Lynching

Everybody's lookin' forward to the

Wisdom Wagon

Lynchin', Lynchin' (Yeah)
Lynchin', Lynchin' (Yeah)

Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to the

Wisdom Wagon

12:00am

, we're drivin' on the highway
Cruisin' so fast, I want time to fly
Fun, fun, think about fun
You know what it is
I got this, you got this
My friend is by my right, ay
I got this, you got this
Now you know it

Kickin' in the front seat

of the wagon

Sittin' in the back seat

of the wagon

Gotta make my mind up
Which seat can I take?

It's

Wisdom Lynching Time, Wisdom Lynching Time

Gotta get down on

Wisdom Lynching

Everybody's lookin' forward to the

Wisdom Lynching, Wisdom Lynching

Wisdom Lynching Time, Wisdom Lynching Time

Gettin' down on

Wisdom Lynching

Everybody's lookin' forward to the

Wisdom Lynching

Lynchin', Lynchin'

(Yeah)

Lynchin', Lynchin'

(Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to the

Wisdom Wagon

Yesterday was

Day 1, Day 1

Today i-is

Wisdom Lynching Time, Wisdom Lynching Time (Lynchin')

We-we-we so excited
We so excited
We gonna have a ball today

Tomorrow is

Day 3

And

Day 4

comes after ... wards
I don't want this

Wisdom Lynching

to end

V-R, Venmar

So chillin' in the front seat

of the wagon

(In the front seat)
In the back seat

of the wagon

(In the back seat)
I'm drivin', cruisin' (Yeah, yeah)
Fast lanes, switchin' lanes

to get tha lynch

Wit' a car up on my side (Woo!)
(C'mon) Passin' by is a

different bad wagon

in front of me
Makes tick tock, tick tock, wanna scream
Check my time, it's

Wisdom Lynching Time

, it's a

Wisdom Lynching

We gonna have fun, c'mon, c'mon, y'all

It's

Wisdom Lynching Time, Wisdom Lynching Time

Gotta get down on

That Wisdom Wagon

Everybody's lookin' forward to the

Wisdom Lynching, Wisdom Lynching

Wisdom Lynching Time, Wisdom Lynching Time

Gettin' down on

that Wisdom Lynching Time

Everybody's lookin' forward to

That Wisdom Wagon

Lynchin', Lynchin' (Yeah)
Lynchin', Lynchin' (Yeah)

Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to the

Wisdom Wagon

It's

Wisdom Lynching Time, Wisdom Lynching Time

Gotta get down on

Wisdom Lynching Time

Everybody's lookin' forward to the

Wisdom Wagon, Wisdom Wagon

Wisdom Lynching, Wisdom Lynching Time

Gettin' down on

Wisdom Lynching Time

Everybody's lookin' forward to the

Wisdom Wagon

Lynchin', Lynchin' (Yeah)
Lynchin', Lynchin' (Yeah)

Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to the

Wisdom Wagon

*crowd goes wild*

Venmar:

Thank you, Thank you very much. I anticipate the beginning of Day 2, my challenge is ready.

[Nachomamma8]

that's how hyped venmar gets for his scumreads. here?

Ok I would go into massive detail on my TD scumread, but all I can tell you is that his reaction to my claim is still a massive scumtell for me. I'll agree that SOME of his posting was kind of towny and I backed off of him for it but I realize now i shouldn't have since he IS my strongest scumread in the game at the moment. I don't like his reaction to my claim since it reeked of scum appearing to not be fooled, i don't like how his one liner and lurkish posts kind of mirror his scumgame from Xenoblade, and I definitely don't like how he loses most of his motivation to stay active and contribute after the pressure on him disappears. TD simply has a lot of scum motivation behind almost all of his moves, and I think he decided to just fly under the radar after the pressure earlier from the day dropped, which is NOT a townie response.

Nacho, for you, here's a list of why I think TD is scum, in not particular order.
1. Gut Gut Gut GUT GUT GUT
2. Really bad and scummy reaction to my claim.
3. Scum motivated actions and posts.
4. Similar play here that is similar to his scummeta.

Now everyone sheep me cause this will earn you 72 Virgin Vennys in your afterlife

THIS IS HIS TD SCUMREAD

[Nachomamma8]

AND IM FUCKING WATCHING YOU PEOPLE

grab my hand and lynch venmar with me
we can lynch nick next.

[Nachomamma8]

well actually i could lynch mala too but i don't want to when I have so many scum fish to fry

[Nachomamma8]

atm i would want
venny, nicky, mala, probably bro still

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, there is only one scenario in which I would see your interactions as town. So I'll be blunt and ask.

Are you a mason?

nope.

[Nachomamma8]

No we lynch Nick first LOOK AT ALL THE SUPPORT WE HAVE TO LYNCH.

will you pledge yourself to kill venmar tomorrow?

[Nachomamma8]

No we lynch Nick first LOOK AT ALL THE SUPPORT WE HAVE TO LYNCH.

will you pledge yourself to kill venmar tomorrow?

I can't pledge anything Mollie rarely lets me off the leash but I'll try.

i will help you

[Nachomamma8]

mollie
i am the tall brunette
you and majiffy are the blondes.
let me show you the way to venmar-scum.

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: NICKTHENAME

atm i would want
venny, nicky, mala, probably bro still

you were town reading bro like 5 seconds ago

i was. then i discovered that there is probably scum bussing Rach and BRO seems like a very solid choice for that.

[Nachomamma8]

zMuffinMan, Desperado, Nachomamma8, Ghostlin, BeautyAndTheBeast, Aj The Epic, Sound of Silence, Andrius, Trust Fund, Saki, BROseidon
possible alternatives are AJ and Ghostlin but those sound like some shit alternatives.

[Nachomamma8]

And here I was thinking mollie could read me well.

why is that? you two have a lot of games together?

[Nachomamma8]

the push on her made her look town because of the way some of the people were pushing it,

really? that's not what you were saying yesterday!

I WILL ANNIHILATE YOU.

I seriously think Town-Nacho would not be this retarded with me.

is that a scumread I smell?

[Nachomamma8]

And here I was thinking mollie could read me well.

why is that? you two have a lot of games together?

She's had some very accurate reads on me in skype games. Apparently that doesn't carry over.

I see. Is that all you have?

[Nachomamma8]

the push on her made her look town because of the way some of the people were pushing it,

really? that's not what you were saying yesterday!

I WILL ANNIHILATE YOU.

I seriously think Town-Nacho would not be this retarded with me.

is that a scumread I smell?

also we're lynching nick so if you could, ya know, look sort of town by the time tomorrow comes around you *probably* won't be lynched.

[Nachomamma8]

Rach was a lynch that I read as town not because of HER actions, but because of the actions OTHERS have done to actually lynch her.

Again, that's not what you were emphasizing yesterday. So either you have a serious problem in taking responsibility for your own mistakes, or you are scum.

[Nachomamma8]

And you're OK with that now?

feeling better and better as time goes on, actually.

[Nachomamma8]

What is this supposed to be again?

rach wagon.

[Nachomamma8]

So umm... THESE ARE ALL ME FUCKING READING RACH AS TOWN DUE TO THE SHIT THESE DUDES WERE SAYING.

How about YOU GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT SMARTASSES

you were reading her as town before that

[Nachomamma8]

venny

[Nachomamma8]

hey venny

[Nachomamma8]

no fuck u

u know im mad when i stop using grammar like usual

venny
do you want to vote nick with me?

[Nachomamma8]

thanks venny.

[Nachomamma8]

Also happy birthday bork.

Thanks! my wife got me this:

Spoiler:

I draw my own conclusions, bork.

[Nachomamma8]

atm i would want
venny, nicky, mala,

probably bro still

then why the fuck did you jump off of him at the first opportunity and give me no support?

me

he is currently my fourth choice. i am not interested in pushing him.

[Nachomamma8]

your read lacks progression.

you were hot and heavy to vote him at the start of the day but then moved off cos you were town reading him and now you put him back in your scum pile? what changed from you changing to town to a town read and then back to scum and why are you not even remotely pursuing it?

cos that is a big change

i was hot and heavy to vote him and then i started giving him room to work since he was breaking. then I posted THIS:

i don't have time right now but i'm reading bro as sort of more town than before now, please leave him alone for a little while.

"more town than before" which means "not confscum".

[Nachomamma8]

I'm like kid goku

Give me some years and I'll be a motherfucking super saiyan

VOTE: nachoVOTE:

btw

I think this might be one of my favorite posts.

[Nachomamma8]

he votes bro at the start of the day - no reason given. the assumption would be that he was following up on fery's and his own read of bro-scum. he moves his vote off of him cos bro was being more town. okay I buy that, but why move bro back to probably scum when bro hasn't really done super scummy for nacho to backpedal on a town read.

I already talked about this.

his case on venny was shitty, he addressed the high risk/low reward for venny by attacking the policy lynching aspect and not what he thinks venny would actually do.

I attacked the policy lynching aspect when you brought it up as a reason venmar could be town. I didn't bring it up before then.

[Nachomamma8]

i am not.

[Nachomamma8]

bro has been at leaning scum ever since his exchange with you.
more town =/= town.

[Nachomamma8]

why would you bring it up before then

literally no idea what you're saying then.

[Nachomamma8]

appeal to emotion

[Nachomamma8]

it comes down to you trying to hedge your read on bro and I am just trying to understand why.

I am looking at BRO, I am sorting BRO. I don't trust ffery's read on BRO that much, and while I also have a bit of a scumread on him it's easily the weakest of my scumreads at the moment.

I'm surprised you didn't even flinch at Mala scumread though. Do you agree with it?

[Nachomamma8]

okay, so why do you not trust your own read that much?

I do. My own read is not that strong.

you moved him back to "probably" scum but will push a nicky lynch through?

I moved him from scum to probably scum when I backed off. He is still in the probably scum slot.

[Nachomamma8]

i don't have time right now but i'm reading bro as sort of more town than before now, please leave him alone for a little while.

this is all i said about bro being town.
this is it.

sort of more town than before now =/= town.

[Nachomamma8]

e.g. 2345 and 2374 do not make a lot of sense if nick is scum with rach.

how did he end up voting mastin at the end of the day?

[Nachomamma8]

because rm was lynched before he came back. he said something about being back in 7.5 hours in 2393

ah.

[Nachomamma8]

Do you have any scumreads on that 5 person wagon?

[Nachomamma8]

GHOSTLIN WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GO

[Nachomamma8]

also, that's pretty unfortunate!

[Nachomamma8]

WOah woah woah woah hold the fuck up.

I read my role card wrong.

I thought it said including factional ability

It says EXCLUDING factional ability.

Fuck. Sorry guys.

and actually with this in mind what is your current read of BRO?

[Nachomamma8]

atm i would want
venny, nicky, mala, probably bro still

So you think I've been hard bussing the mala-slot this whole game (I was literally the first or second person to suspect that slot), as well as bussing both scum-mates today?

wat.

I might change my mind after a few flips, I might not. Who do you think is the scumteam?

but they definitely seem like they're there with Andrius and Nacho.

We have a lot of experience together, so this vibe doesn't surprise me.

There is literally a 0% chance for Venmar to be scum. I'd lynch a cop innocent before I'd lynch Venmar.

You tell me this but you know I can't take your word for it right?

and malakittens is a semi town read.

Why?

[Nachomamma8]

why FTL?

[Nachomamma8]

venmar pretty much kills my heart

[Nachomamma8]

BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT

[Nachomamma8]

Here's the problem, though, Nacho. The town-you would take my word for it. The town-you WOULD be trusting the town-me (WHICH YOU ADMITTED! You flat-out have made it explicit that this is my town self) on my read. The LACK of accepting it is itself a scumtell from you. This isn't some lousy "I am town; you can trust me" statement. This is practically the Mastin Gambit, and yet, you've brushed it off.

To put things simply--this is not you, with your own reads, taking input from townreads that you respect the ability of, but ultimately having your own reads. (The town you.) This is you, with your own agenda, trying to manipulate others into following it. (The scum you.

This did ring true. I am sorry mastin. I put you in "tunneling me? hmmph" mode and that is pretty unlike me. I will post something better when I return! Also

where the hell did VARSOON go?

[Nachomamma8]

i also miss him.

[Nachomamma8]

mollie, i thought nick's reachout to you looked townish.

[Nachomamma8]

because every fucking person scum reading me is still alive. anyone who is wanting to push a lynch and kill me after day 1 is still alive. I figured after I got ran up pretty damn fast in D2 I was the lynch.

You're still alive! Take this new chance at life and give me something wonderful.

There's absolutely no reason why we need to wait another day before we lynch mala. She's not contributing, she doesn't plan to contribute, she's scum.

Funny. That's not what you said about Rach...

[Nachomamma8]

I need you to be a part of my gambit, too.
Can you?
Please?

If it doesn't get me modkilled and isn't against site rules then OK.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: nickthename

[Nachomamma8]

@ nacho

not feeling it this game

i feel this day's gotten horribly convoluted and nothing really makes sense anymore.

@Mac

Mollie can't read me, why should I trust her read on you?

this post isn't awesome at all.

i don't feel good about trust fund anymore.

[Nachomamma8]

majiffy you had until i prodded my own lazy ass into gear.
that time is up.

[Nachomamma8]

2. Andrius - Town, shouldn't take explanation considering he was the MAIN FUCKING COUNTERWAGON to RachMarie.
3. BeautyAndTheBeast (pirate mollie + Majiffy) - Town, shouldn't take explanation.
6. Faster Than Light (Varsoon + Metal Sonic) - Town, shouldn't take explanation.
8. Mac - Town, shouldn't *really* take explanation and won't for today but mollie townreading him should be enough.
9. mastin2 - Town, shouldn't take explanation.
12. Malakittens nhammen - leaning town at the moment, mollie townread is a huge boost.
16. Mutleyddmc Skullduggery - confirmed town for shooting Saki considering CONFIRMED ONE FACTION. he could be mafia vig but that's highly highly unlikely and he should be treated as confirmed town regardless of what you think of his shot.
21. zMuffinMan - town for constant disappointment and frustration.

1. Aj The Epic
4. BROseidon
5. Desperado
7. Ghostlin
13. nickthename
18. TiphaineDeath
19. Trust Fund (Cabd + Syryana)
20. Venmar

[Nachomamma8]

I don't think PGO-claim warrants a day 1 lynch. I'm pretty sure that I'd be inclined to day-1 claim PGO if I rolled it.

Do you still believe the PGO claim?

Agreed. Varsoon is being cogent.

What's your opinion on his recent posts?

That TD wagon built faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast. That alone makes me think TD is town.

Nick wagon was built sloooooooooooooooooooow. What does that mean for his alignment?

And the votes I'm thinking are the potential scum-votes on the TD wagon are Muffin, Mac, Ghost (++ to chances if Macscum), TF).

Look back on that TD wagon and tell me your opinion now!

He proceeds to do something I consider anti-town: His case justified his vote, not his vote justifying his case. Meaning he didn't look for a case until AFTER he decided to vote for Mac.

I often vote with cases in mind as either alignment, so this isn't really indicative of much.

The general ease with which people are handing out townreads is making me nervous, given that I abused the fuck out of that last game to coast to the win.

This seems genuine.

Andy I have 0 understanding of your thought process in townreading me because you don't talk about why I'm town. We have a lot of differing reads, so it's certainly not a case of "his reads look good, must be town."

This looks good too.

You were REPLICATING your town game in the newbie game. This is downright your scum play. Appealing to Mollie, who misread you in that game, isn't smart since I'm the one who found your slip. You've already proven your own scum tell on FTL to work with you, and you're trying to get Mollie to defend you.

I LIKE the nick wagon, he's all over the place, but I'm 99% sure Mala is scum again.

If you could remind me what Mala's scum play looks like and what games you're pulling that from, that would be great.

Also going to point out that Nacho’s 832 feels like his play as my IC more than his play in Xeno, and he was town in both of those. Slightly townreading that post.

I'm confused how you compare my play with two towngames and get a townread from it. Aren't you supposed to do something like compare my townIC game with a scumIC game?

Btw nothing Mala is posting is making me feel good about that slot. She’s posting a lot of null and nhammen posted scummy so…

You're still reading things from the nhammen slot? What did he do, exactly?

Hey Trust fund. Your reads are bad, and you should feel bad. Wanna know why?

Plenty of other people had reads that disagreed with yours; why did you pick up on TF and no one else?

Yes, I believe that it was way too easy a push for a lynch. Think about it, what easier excuse is there to lynch someone other than a 'scumslip'.

It's easy to push for a lynch, but that's not really a reason for the entire scumteam minus one to attack him for it.

Show me a game where Mala used AtE so heavily and often as town. This isn't HER town game.

Can you show me the scumgame where Mala AtEd so heavily and often?

Thezmon is town, by far. You 'grilling' him was so useless, even that was defense of a scumbuddy. So after we flip Rach, her scum flip incriminates you, and your scum flip verifies FTL as town. 2 scum and a second verified town.

I don't like that your initial vote on Rach sets up for another lynch.

I know a player who drunk posts a lot on my off site and I've found it to be more scummy the more it's done. Almost an excuse to post often and get words in that you more or less can't take seriously. Because how do you type accurately when you're truly drunk? One, you shouldn't even be playing mafia at that point, but two, truly drunk people are rarely that coherent.

Calling drunkposting a scumtell is weird but probably a personality thing so noting but not considering as anything significant.

Basically he didn't just blatantly OMGUS and deathtunnel the person on him.

Have you looked at his other scum meta? Generally a deathtunneling scum meta doesn't work at all unless you also have a deathtunneling town meta.

I really hope someone kills Saki, our resident useless player. The ideology that you 'must be the hammer' is incredibly stupid. It feels like you want your ego stroked a bit by being the hammer and by doing so, you hinder the town's process.

Vote:Andrius

Fuck it. B&B are there, Notscience is there, as well FTL and trust fund. Maybe I'm missing something, but we don't have a lot of choice anymore.

This is, with TD's vote, l-3?

This vote is weird.

So it's scummy to let town stall out to a no-lynch>?

Got it.

BRO framed this like Rach was gonna flip town, which makes me feel good about him.

2322- And yet I’m the one who hammered the scum four hours before deadline ^_^ (we’ll ignore FTL showing up as a 12th vote)

Okay I’m just being a dick about this now. #sorrynotsorry.

And this gloating reads town as fuck.

Rereading BRO's and I's exchange, I'm reading BRO as pretty genuine so that's reassuring.

Therefore, by Rach flipping scum, I've only advanced my own case on Mala.

Yeah and I don't really like that.

@Jiffy: Fine. We go your way today.

Didn't you already compromise once? What makes you think that things will swing back over to Mala with a nick lynch?

Rach was acting more towny in Xenoblade if anything because she could scumhunt for the actual scumteam, and from what I've gathered it's a lack of real scumhunting that indicates scum-Rach normally.

In other words, this interaction reeks on multiple levels (because of the context of where you caught her last time, the fact that Rach flipped scum, and the fact that you, throughout all of these posts, never actually give any detail as to why Rach is town. You never articulate how any of her positions or posting quality indicated town interest to her. You instead tried to coast by on "I can read Rach well she's town trust me guys."

This was a good point.

[Nachomamma8]

majiffy you had until i prodded my own lazy ass into gear.
that time is up.

To do what?

to get a lynch before i sorted this game out
but you couldn't ram it through quick enough so now we're taking the long way around

[Nachomamma8]

Are these players you are currently suspicious of/want to get more out of?
I noticed you focused on BRO and started towards questioning AJ, which seems like a progression down this list, but do you intend on working with everyone here before the day ends?

Yes.
Yes. Some people's input is more important than input from others.

Is there a reason to the priority of the list, and if so, what are those reasons?

Priority is my own and not for public eyes. The list is numbered by playerlist number.

[Nachomamma8]

AJ, I hope that wasn't your only post for the day.

[Nachomamma8]

Bro's case on me is BS and fabricated in every way possible. He's probably being obtuse on purpose since anyone with a brain could read my interaction with RM as town.

you know when it's all said and done.
i'm probably gonna vote you until you're dead.

[Nachomamma8]

NACHO, GIVE ME A FULL CLAIM.

Allow me to channel Majiffy:
No.

[Nachomamma8]

NACHO, GIVE ME A FULL CLAIM.

Allow me to channel Majiffy:
No.

I can confirm your alignment, though.

The only reason not to claim is if you have something to hide.

-V

if you don't know me by now,
you will never ever ever know me
oooooooooh~

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, I have a really good idea,
but without your claim, I can't confirm what I'm thinking.

-V

There is no idea that requires you to know my name and role in order for you to confirm my alignment.

but FTL confirming you is a dang-good reason for the town-you to claim.

Do you believe there is something that can confirm me when I claim and HAS to be me and only me?

VOTE: mac

Your case from previous days isn't enough to get him lynched. Step it up or sheep someone because there's no way in hell I'm dealing with yesterday's shit.

Other than Mala, of course. I still want her head.

Really.

nhammen's entry post was incredibly reminiscent of his entry-post and overall posting style as scum in a game I recently completed with him. He posted a lot of IIoA and fence-sitting stuff without engaging with what was actually going on around him. This demonstrates a scum interest because it makes him appear like he's engaging with the thread while he's not actually pushing the game forward.

nhammen is gone, it's day three, I don't want to see this a part of anyone's cases anymore.

[Nachomamma8]

I think Venmar is town.

[Nachomamma8]

p.s. nacho you're beginning to worry me
just so this is out there

It is Day 3. I wouldn't have it any other way.

I think Venmar is town.

If I could get you sorted out I would be happy as a cat with a bowl of shrimp in front of me.

Sort me then.

[Nachomamma8]

And no, the fact that nobody else agreed with me should not clue me in to it being wrong, considering that entire towns have been duped a multitude of times.

Please keep in mind that games where the majority have the right scumreads are townwins. Games where the minority have the right scumreads are scumwins. So, instead of going "just because no one's listening to me doesn't mean I'm wrong", switch up your game and just try harder to convince.

[Nachomamma8]

I've been completely lost in the stars, in case you hadn't noticed. There was an aim to catch up yesterday, but that didn't work out.

[Nachomamma8]

V/LA until Tuesday

Hopefully gonna be back monday but you never know.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm really regretting not using my oneshot role to confirm venmar as PGO. That way we'd either have confirmed liar; or i'd be dead and he'd be confirmed town.

And I wouldn't have to deal with this shit.

someone is really going to have to sell me on mastin-town. after campaigning all of day one how this was not my scum-meta, mastin has now reversed his read. despite me also pushing his top scumread mala yesterday. your accusations of me "derailing" a mala lynch (HINT: THERE WAS NO WAGON TO DERAIL) because i was against ftl's gambit is bullshit at best.

speaking of gambits, FTL, did you ever lay out how that would've worked and how you could confirm nacho along with nick?

Mastin's current level of crazy is at the unmistakably town level. His offended attitude that I'm not working with him, his "endorsements", etc.

Nacho do you remember perpetual mylo? with Cabdscum going "apathy is a scumtell". yeah look at apathetic TF right over there big hands open

Apathy *isn't* a scumtell, and he certainly isn't making the same mistakes he made in MyLo.

Hey look it's exactly what everyone said about Rach.

Pretty sure I could quote mine other people saying Varsoon is just being Varsoon too.

This is wildly different.

Kill one person intimately familiar with Nacho, could be coincidence.
Kill two people intimately familiar with Nacho, almost certainly by design.

There just happens to be another who wants both of those people dead.

Just lynch me. I'm a liability in LyLo anyways (if I were to make it that far) since I'm mislynch bait for scum.

What is this, exactly?

Where the fuck is Nacho?

V/LA.

[Nachomamma8]

TOWN:
notscience
waynegg
Faster Than Light
Ghostlin
Mac
mastin2
Muffin

Lean town:
Andrius
Trust Fund
AJ
Venmar?
BROseidon

LEFTOVERS:
Malakittens
TiphaineDeath

These are my reads. Towngroup is obviously the strongest.
Mastin, why is Venmar town?