Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Malakittens]

Catching up after work.

I was reading this game before I replaced in and thought B&B was scum, but I need to reread again before voting.

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Fery quick question. I read up to page 15 and I didn't see Mollie's usual town self.. Can you please explain that a bit more?

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How the hell is that a liar tell?

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Mala are you scum

No. I'm happy also. I just finished 5 games and four of those were scum in a row.

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Then why are you reading us wrong?

Ftr that's a lot of scum reads.

Also I'm scum because I'm reading you as scum?

Please, please tell me that's not true.

Predit:

Mollie why. I joined because I wanted to play with you >_>

[Malakittens]

Mac iso:
Some specific posts may be a bit concerning, but overall, there's strong town posting present and I really don't think this is scuMac.

Malakittens iso:
She's not giving me warm fuzzy feelings. At all. This doesn't seem like the town-her that I've come to expect, like, at all. So again, bit of a scumread.

She replaced nhammen, who is next on my iso list. There's not much to really see, there. I can't really have anything definitive, other than a bit of a gut scumread with his overall approach.

Skull iso is basically empty, so nothing there at all. At this point with me not really having any really strong townreads, might be a scumread just by virtue of being a null-read.

headfuckingdesk.

I just got off from work and I was reading the thread way before replacing in and I thought B&B was scum. I then asked Fery for an explanation because I wanted to see her thought process. I also misread Jiffy's list, I thought all those names were scum reads before I took a closer look at it right now.

I'm about to sit down and reread again for more solid reads, patience young grasshopper.

[Malakittens]

Dear B&tB Hydra,

Tell me which one of you posted 241. I'm sure it's Jiffy, but I want to know for sure.

Anyways -

I'm still rereading. I still think Jiffy hydra is scum. I'm not liking Muffin or TD. This doesn't feel like the town-TD I once played with before and I disagree with a majority of his posts especially on account to Venmar's role. Mastin's post gave me a bad feel. Mac has similar thoughts to me which makes me lean town on him. Notscience is confirmed town, but regardless I had a town read on him since Page 2...

I want Rach to explain #66 in regards to MS claiming early in another game, tyvm.

... continuing on..

[Malakittens]

Yep, fuck this shit. The next person to call me scum off my ISO receives my damn vote. I'm not fucking done catching up.

Give me time Jiffy.. Give me time..

[Malakittens]

Yep, fuck this shit. The next person to call me scum off my ISO receives my damn vote. I'm not fucking done catching up.

Being caught up is not alignment-indicative.

Give me time Jiffy.. Give me time..

Um let me think about that.

No. You're scum-reading us, yeah? Give me reasons. Otherwise, I call bullshit.

Calling me scum off my ISO without me being fully caught up is the most stupidest fucking thing I have seen. It's like not even giving me a freaking chance.

Want to know why? I don't see town-Mollie at all in the 15 pages I read before replacing in. She's more "out spoken, aggressive and hunting for reads" and so far she isn't. I am scum reading you guys do to that and I already said that when I asked for Fery's explanation, but damn if I knew Mollie was going to rage-replace out due to Fery's answer I would have never asked in the first place.

Keep calling me bullshit when I already made the comment, but I never noted specifics.

This.is.not.town.Mollie.

VOTE: BeautyAndTheBeast

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Calling me scum off my ISO without me being fully caught up is the most stupidest fucking thing I have seen. It's like not even giving me a freaking chance.

Giving you a chance to what, change your alignment mid-game?

Keep calling me bullshit when I already made the comment, but I never noted specifics.

This.is.not.town.Mollie.

... Probably because it's Majiffy.

No? To actually post my reads and thoughts after reading everything. Good god lay the fuck off of me right now.

No, Mollie posted during page 1 and it did not feel like town-Mollie. The only thing that looked like maybe town-Mollie was on page 12, but she's still being more laid back then normal.

So I call bullshit on "Probably because it's Majiffy".. I'm not talking about

now

as I'm talking about previous posts.

[Malakittens]

For what it's worth I see town-Mollie on Page 13.

Wow, okay..

VOTE: Faster than the light

Holy fucking scum-tell Batman.

Someone REALLY cares about how they look right now.

[Malakittens]

I'm also liking Bert {Nachopappa} as scum right now too, but that's lack of posts so far in this thread! Subject to

maybe

change!

[Malakittens]

Okay, town read on Mollie from page 16+.

I have to agree with Rach regarding Nacho in 432 . I have seen town-Nacho lurk and I have seen him be lynched for it in a hydra. It's a null tell at best.

Also. Achievement Unlocked: Fery's first alt slip on her other alt!

Herro Jedi Mind Trick that we call Mastin's post 448! Thanks for putting a bad taste in my mouth about you.

Really Nick? Do you not like that Mollie and Fery are trying to communicate reads together. Does this make scum you not able to force fake scum reads and push their wagons?

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I have a town-read Cabd. He's trying to work with Fery also and he did that during Vox's game.

Zmuffinman - Can you give me links on Mastin's accuracy to read you? I thought the same until he tricked me. Every time he called me scum that game I got a knee jerk reaction and kept wanting to call him scum.. Then he bused his team mate and I believed his every words on his "vow to never bus his team mate" and I allowed him to become my strongest town read and then he flipped scum. I was a very, very sad kitten.

Ooh, I like Themonz's 506. I'm not seeing AJ town though. Anyone want to clue me in on why AJ is town?

ZMuffin.. That's actually just normal for Rach in any alignment. She tends to do that =\

Am I the only one who didn't like Ghostlin's 517? Mainly because I haven't seen much hunting from him, but he's calling other people out on not doing it..

I don't like this by FTL. Can you please tell me how using wagon analysis without a flip works well?..

I think I agree with you Notscience.

Welp, I don't like 568 by TD. He's really caring how he looks and he's trying to stay calm to avoid {possibly} another wagon on him?

Bad gut feel by Rach's post 570

However I do like TD's 575.

Okay and I'm caught kinda up to where I was when I replaced in.

BYEEEEEEE I'm going to play league now since they are rushing me to finish!!

[Malakittens]

Thanks mollie

Mala which part do you agree with exactly? TD being potential scum?

Faster than Light being scum.

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I have seen town-AJ once and I'm not really seeing it, but I will need to take a closer look. So they were impatient and started w/o me on League. (fuck you andy </3)

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... Can we not defend me? Let me defend for myself, thank you.

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Mollie

can you get jiffy to back off of me please?

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yeah I know Jiffy has been posting more. and yeah I am getting more of a towny feel now for B n B.

Still would like to hear more from Syr as well as fery though.


Someone said that a lurky Nacho is always a scum Nacho and I disagree I have seem him be a lurky loo when he was town as well as when he was scum, and I have seen him as both town and scum being fairly active. With him just depends on whats going on. So yeah you need a bit more than oh hes lurking he must be scum Nacho. Especially since when you look at his posting history he has not been posting much of anywhere. I know he had to borrow his GFs computer a while back, so maybe he still is having to borrow it not sure on that.

if you knew majiffy was doing most ofthe posting up until that point then why did you say you wanted to hear from him. and syrlacious isn't in a hydra with fery and fery has been doing most of the posting in her hydra. mebbe if you would stop posting in your scum qt you would know this.

Achievement Unlocked:

First Slip

Andrius is Town. Why? Because he's managed to sum up my exact thinking on NS's role claim in thread, right down to the point that I can no longer vote him because he is not scum. Literally would lynch NS if it wasn't so blantly against my wincon. He's managed to find almost all my scumtell buttons.

Mala concerns me because she wants to lynch Nachopappa for one post, and Nachopappa's being replaced.

This isn't throwing the baby out with the bath water; this is putting the baby in the bathtub, loading into a bathtub launcher and launching it to the moon. It's nonsensical the logic here; there's not any body of work to really grade on here. Also, Mala's work is mostly fluff besides that bit of gleaning.

Unvote. Vote: Mala

Rachmarie's not a bad choice because she's reading as not sane as she was last game, and she was scum that game.

So my next word needs super big letters.

MISREP

You fucken misrepped me to world's end, then to hell and then back.

I never said I wanted to lynch him. Do not put words in my mouth. I said I was scum reading him because that didn't look like town-Bert as he was well not around and when he's town he will post mountains and be more involved and he wasn't. So yes, for his one post I did scum read him, but I never said once I was going to "lynch" him. I think if I wanted a lynch on him I would have voted him.. Wouldn't I?

[Malakittens]

Nacho keep reading. Thank you.

[Malakittens]

Also Ghostlin what was the point of the above quote in regards to SoS / Mollie?..

[Malakittens]

Because generally when I have a scum read, I want them dead. Now, mods for some silly reason don't give me the power to vote all my scum reads at once, most games.

Good for you, but my head doesn't play like yours. If I have a read on a player I post it. If I scum read someone it's because they triggered gut or they are doing something I'm not used to seeing in their play so I call it out. Does not mean I want them dead.

Please do not put your own personal-how-I-play-meta onto me. We all play differently and not the same. We are not created equal.

[Malakittens]

Because generally when I have a scum read, I want them dead. Now, mods for some silly reason don't give me the power to vote all my scum reads at once, most games.

Good for you, but my head doesn't play like yours. If I have a read on a player I post it. If I scum read someone it's because they triggered gut or they are doing something I'm not used to seeing in their play so I call it out. Does not mean I want them dead.

Please do not put your own personal-how-I-play-meta onto me. We all play differently and not the same. We are not created equal.

You accused me of a misrep, remember? If it's because we don't fucking play the same, don't come after me.

That's the thing.. You

did

misrep me. Whether or not it was intentional or accidental you did misrep me. Now you want me to back off? Hell fucking no.

[Malakittens]

Because generally when I have a scum read, I want them dead. Now, mods for some silly reason don't give me the power to vote all my scum reads at once, most games.

Good for you, but my head doesn't play like yours. If I have a read on a player I post it. If I scum read someone it's because they triggered gut or they are doing something I'm not used to seeing in their play so I call it out. Does not mean I want them dead.

Please do not put your own personal-how-I-play-meta onto me. We all play differently and not the same. We are not created equal.

You accused me of a misrep, remember? If it's because we don't fucking play the same, don't come after me.

That's the thing.. You

did

misrep me. Whether or not it was intentional or accidental you did misrep me. Now you want me to back off? Hell fucking no.

Honestly, your reaction to the original post, even on a base scum level, was extreme. There was hardly nothing to scumtell.

That said, no, I don't play this game the same fucking way you do, and the hyper defensive shitty way you've decided to defend yourself doesn't read Town to me. You could of gone, 'what do you mean by this', or even harsher 'what the fuck are you talking about'. Instead you accuse me of maliciously misrepping you.

Because you did.

Anyone else saw the post I called him out as a misrep? Or is it just me?

Also Andy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR6iYWJxHqs

<3!

[Malakittens]

also mala I'm struggling to understand your thought process here because here's how you entered this game wrt to mollie:

- haven't seen townmollie in the 15 pages I read before replacing in, vote mollie
- retract vote next post, town mollie on page 13

what happened there?

I was really skim following in the beginning as I was watching a certain player play.

Well I retracted the vote for a really damn good reason. FTL scum slipped so I voted him.

[Malakittens]

...

Hi, I'm Mala and I approve of the lynch on the player above.

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@mala

why did you moan about people voting you despite not having finished your catchup, and then vote before you'd finished your catchup?

They were treating me unfairly. I was being given a read off my ISO before I had time to fully catch up. I don't like that.

[Malakittens]

hi mala

are you the cat who hydra'd with mara in HxH mafia?


i am the sonic who masoned with gif and bork(our mod) over here

nice to meet you

Yes.

You aren't playing the same.

You scum slipped.

You are scum, tyvm.

Nice to meet you though.

[Malakittens]

You guys should lynch Ftl he's scum. Ill even sing a song for you to gather votes on him.

Also AJ -

The newbie game play and this play here currently is not even remotely the same. I don't see how you can say it is. I also do not like you pushing that outlet because it reminds me of scum-UN doing the same thing to me at LyLo.

I'm just coming off off a 1:4 town:scum game ratio roll and I can say my town play took a beating in the course of that. Mollie scum read me a whole game when I was town during that.

Ps Mollie you are decent at reading me. You tend to read me well late on rather than early on if that makes any sense. Js

[Malakittens]

Mastin you aren't confirmed town, shut up.

[Malakittens]

Mastin, that's postmodern as fuck, but I'll bring you further than that:
The 'true face' was a mask, too.
One mirrors the other such in the way that one and one make three.

@Mala: Squirm more, scum. You're looking for the easiest target now that you've got some force behind your wagon? Step it up, senpai.

-V

Still not scum. I don't like to be held so yeah I'm squirming. After all I'm a cat :p

Also you are calling you self easy? What makes you an easy target? You're not easy, you're scum.

You guys should lynch Ftl he's scum. Ill even sing a song for you to gather votes on him.

Also AJ -

The newbie game play and this play here currently is not even remotely the same. I don't see how you can say it is. I also do not like you pushing that outlet because it reminds me of scum-UN doing the same thing to me at LyLo.

I'm just coming off off a 1:4 town:scum game ratio roll and I can say my town play took a beating in the course of that. Mollie scum read me a whole game when I was town during that.

Ps Mollie you are decent at reading me. You tend to read me well late on rather than early on if that makes any sense. Js

So what you're telling me is when you are all over the place, and when you decide not to include well-founded reason, that's scum. But when you go AtE and start posting like you have (Look at my iso, I have the case there for you), that's town? No. You were REPLICATING your town game in the newbie game. This is downright your scum play. Appealing to Mollie, who misread you in that game, isn't smart since I'm the one who found your slip. You've already proven your own scum tell on FTL to work with you, and you're trying to get Mollie to defend you.

I LIKE the nick wagon, he's all over the place, but I'm 99% sure Mala is scum again.

My beginning reads were gut. You never used gut before? If you say you haw never have I'm going to call you a liar. Currently I do have well reasons for my town reads, but also for my scum reads. I'm not even Ate'ing. I'm not appealing to her and sorry to break it to you I'm giving her cristism and I did it to her after our micro game where she scum read me for god knows what. I don't need anyone to defend me and I sure as hell don't want her to do it.

I never once did the scum tell that FTL has done. He's scum a million times over, but the fact you aren't considering it scares me. THE FACT NO ONE PICKED UP ON HIS POSTS BOTHERS ME (hint:Fery)

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FTL is very much in my scum pile, mala. I defer a little to GiF on reading Varsoon, but GiF also reads him as scum.

See I wanted you to bring it down on paper. You only mentioned his name twice. Gif saying he's got a weird vibe and the other was you agreeing with 'Jiffy. The fact is I still don't know why you're scum reading him other than GiF side. I know you normally call out people for scum-tells, but this game you haven't. Which amazes me to no end.

[Malakittens]

Someone link me to posts explaining the scum reads on FTL and nick, please.

I feel I haven't bashed my head against a desk enough already and want something that will motivate me to do it a bit more.

Also mala, questions and shit for you in #879. Please read + reply ty.

Will do when I'm off my phone. I'm currently locked out of my house. ._.

FTL is very much in my scum pile, mala. I defer a little to GiF on reading Varsoon, but GiF also reads him as scum.

See I wanted you to bring it down on paper. You only mentioned his name twice. Gif saying he's got a weird vibe and the other was you agreeing with 'Jiffy. The fact is I still don't know why you're scum reading him other than GiF side. I know you normally call out people for scum-tells, but this game you haven't. Which amazes me to no end.

I'm surprised to read this and it actually bothers me because I don't think what you are saying matches all that well with how I play. My reads are usually body-of-work/motivation based and I sometimes miss objective tells that other people pick up on. I had an early scum read on FTL and I'm looking for reasons to change my mind as much as to solidify right now. It's mostly solidification going on so far.

Your play so far has bothered me. I did like you trying to work with Mollie so that's kinda why you are null-leaning town to me right now. Was during Vox's game the whole 'food tell' you or Syr?

[Malakittens]

Not that I would have ever eaten it :p

Oh god Mastin.

[Malakittens]

If FTL is for sure scum then Mastin is probably a partner.

[Malakittens]

Spoiler:

I'm not liking Muffin

Why? Why did you basically explain every other read and not this one?

Holy fucking scum-tell Batman.

Someone REALLY cares about how they look right now.

Talk about your vote on FTL a bit, please. I don't see the "scum-tell" there or anything particularly scummy in that post.

Can you give me links on Mastin's accuracy to read you?

I cbf getting the links for the games, but there's Brightest Day (Large Theme), Large Normal 137, Large Normal 146 (where he was the only active member of Palisade, I'm just remembering this read off the top of my head because the records of it have been deleted but mastin may be able to verify this if he remembers the game), Large Normal 143 (although he was scum in a multiball game here, so this doesnt't count for much), Mortal Kombat (Large Theme) (he had me as a town read for most of it and never thought I was particularly scummy outside his mastin-esque VCA). There may be other games that I'm forgetting or were deleted back around the end of 2011.

Looking back, I realised I don't recall ever playing scum in a game with mastin, unless it was on an alt I don't know about.

That's actually just normal for Rach in any alignment. She tends to do that =\

If it was as simple as not having done anything so far, then perhaps I'd be inclined to believe it's not alignment indicative. It has more to do with the stuff she's actually done in place of scum hunting that bothers me. I elaborated on this a bit in the spoiler below (in my reply to mastin) if you're actually interested in my thoughts about this.

Muffin it was mostly gut feel that I didn't like from your early posts. I know I didn't like the wording on your vote on Pappa at first even though it was RVS stage. That was the thing that pinged it the most.

Okay from my experience town shouldn't need to care how they look, but scum do need to care. If they do something wrong they get a wagon on them. There's more town than there is scum so town has the freedom to do scummy things here and there whereas scum do not because even being on member down it hurts their team.

The part of what I linked that made V look really uncomfortable in his post was this:

Just wanted to give people a heads-up, because at the current game pace, it could easily look like I ditched out or am lurking or whatnot and I might miss questions directed at me when I am catching up.

It's like he's trying to not look scummy and is avoiding in the future being called out for lurking. As if he doesn't want the unwarranted pressure. It's as if he's hiding something while trying to appease people. You might not see it as a scum tell, but I do. He cares about his appearance.

I'll take a look later on if I can.

Again - it's a null tell for her Muffin. I have seen both alignments-Rach do it. I have also called her out on it previous times in other games. There has been only one game where I was able to directly differentiate between the two, but I was Nightkilled by her and the town wasn't listening to me when I wanted to lynch her. (Well Slimer listened to me, but I couldn't get the other confirmed town to do so)

[Malakittens]

I also find it odd how many people didn't comment on my interaction with Ghostlin besides Mac.

So much shit is going unnoticed it's irking me currently.

[Malakittens]

^ this.

He got a scum role PM along with FTL.

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MS isn't playing the same way he has played in HxH and also V has slipped a few times. He cares about his appearance which is a major scum tell, but you are too busy attacking me to see it.

^ Directed to AJ.

[Malakittens]

Here are my thoughts for the first six pages:

1) The entire argument about the PGO is dumb and you should all feel dumb. If it's scum motivated, we can determine this through Venmar's play and lynch him normal like. Otherwise you're feeding a possible attention whore gambit, which could be run as either alignment, Town as reaction-fishing, scum as a 'don't visit me, town Cops!'

It's kind of akin to claiming miller, only a gun is involved.

2) BRO's #79 makes no sense under a microscope. A miller and PGO are somewhat different roles and I don't consider the change-up to be alignment indicative.

3) TD is playing like a mule on crack, which seems to indicate he wants us to distract from the Ven vote by acting like someone gave him drugs. His idea of Ven not claiming seems dissonant to the Town wincon. Also, I'm getting a hate-on for notscience.

Vote: TD

I don't really buy TD's backing off with "I am tired", either. Feels like a lazy, early-game deflection.
Of course, I don't like Venmar's response to my pressure either, but like you and I said, we shouldn't judge on a claim, but on play throughout the game.

Vote: TD

-V

hi this is MS


we are like BnB: Varsoon posts with grammar I (usually) don't

i need to get varsoon on skype

reads: aj town bnb town sos town td town venmar town

trustfund semi town mac semitown bro null

everyone else null

rach scum(like last game always) nhammen scum


notscience VIC


and if i werent in a hydra with varsoon i would vote him for scum

but no

so what?

So why is that stopping you from unvoting him and voting any of your scum reads?

because if my partner thinks he is scum there must be a reason and so i am going to ask him

who cares about where the vote goes anyway what matters is a wagon push, not really pushing whatever atm lets see what varsoon has to say

also td is town because he looks town. i'm not going to write a full length essay for your 8 words question kthx

Also this is just lazy excuse to have a vote on someone. If I disagree with a read my partner has I'll fight it as much as possible on skype etc. At least I'll attempt to change my hydra's partner's mind. It's like I'm reading him as town, but I'm too lazy to really scum hunt and place a vote.

They were also recently tunneling on TD, but recently stopped.

@Nacho:

MS to me isn't trying and he at least tried in Hito. He's being lazy as fucking hell and said "herp derp" my partner is playing as scum and votes him for a joke. All of that is bad. All of it. Even I would have never said "HEY GUISE MY PARTNER IS ACTING LIKE SCUM". i don't know the motivation to why MS did it, but it's not leaving a good taste in my mouth.

[Malakittens]

Even I would have never said "HEY GUISE MY PARTNER IS ACTING LIKE SCUM".

No, you'd just claim alien instead~

Shut up.

[Malakittens]

Even I would have never said "HEY GUISE MY PARTNER IS ACTING LIKE SCUM".

No, you'd just claim alien instead~

Shut up.

In good taste, I jest, mala. This is gonna be your version of mara's hard boiled, I get it. Anyways, you should vote mastin with me.

No really keep quiet about it. You can jest all you want, but I don't want to be joked about it because I'm

still

pissed at you for something. I think I have a right to be pissed in regards to it. People can use that game against me if they want - I don't care. Once this game ends - I'll let you know what I'm talking about, kay? by then I'll be not pissed at you enough to bring it up.

No, I want FTL dead currently.

[Malakittens]

Temptation to claim is high, but I was banned

for it before, so I dunno.
Probably not a safe move to make anymore. :/

-V

This is a flat out lie. You were banned for making a trust tell. You were modkilled in a previous open game for posting in scum QT at night after you were lynched.

Unless ofc I'm missing something here you weren't banned for claiming.

If I am mistaken please do link the game and give me the post number.

(If some ungodly reason it's still ongoing don't then and wait until it finishes)

[Malakittens]

@Mala: Dude, don't be such a shitlord. Please.
First of all, if Mastin defends me, it doesn't automatically make him scum just because you're reading me as scum. That's a shitty offense and it absolutely waives aside the points Mastin is bringing to the table. Yeah, I think it might be buddying to step in when my wagon's at like 5 or 6 and say "No, wait, FTL is town" without being prompted to do so, but that's a line of inquiry I'll be following on my own, later.
Secondly, you're not very well read if you think that my ban was a straight-forward Trust-Tell case. Read the 'Pooky Tell' thread and stop being such a narrow-sighted player. I even talked about how

I knew someone would bring this up

in the Pooky Tell thread. We can discuss why my ban was made on shortsightedness and how it perpetuates that narrow-minded approach

after

this game. Right now, though, it's taking everything inside of me to backspace every swear and insult I've written, because I am

SERIOUSLY

tired about talking about this issue. If players continue to bring it up in my games, I'm going to just quit this site. It's not fun to have people blindly parrot mods who were too blind to realize that my play wasn't what they accused me of.
Third off, I've already dispelled your assault on me in this game, Mala. At this point, I don't even know what you're doing other than poking your head in to scream "VARSOON IS SCUM" every other post, without giving reasons why you're so damn persistent in reading my slot as so. It feels like you're pushing a wagon that other players agree with and you're trying to launch it over the cliff without town getting and damn content out of it. It makes my blood boil, and I'm shaking right now because I'm so upset thanks to this and my earlier point. I'm seeing your line of inquiry/incitement as an attempt to get me to 'slip further', which is an intangible assault that's easily sheeped and denies info and worthwhile wagon analysis.
Fourth, it's irksome that Nacho didn't respond to me at all. I hate how everyone ignores the things I have to say unless they want to push my damn lynch. I've made really good points, I feel, and I've asked players some good questions that'll really inform how I feel about them and others, and I'm feeling like I'm only here to get bullied and ignored. It's a horrible game environment and I'm very tempted to replace out or just let MS take charge or something.
Fifth, I wish that Notscience would give more in-depth reads and analysis, since at least I won't have to WIFOM it five ways to sunday before I can trust it.
Sixth, I really like Nick's recent play and interactions, especially here with Desperado. I don't know how to feel about Desperado yet.
Finally, I don't like Sound of Silence's posts, especially because GiF always buddies me regardless of his alignment. The minimalism from that slot is a real headache.

I've erased so many 'Fuck You's in this post, and I still hate how I come off.
Mala, leave my other games out of this one. I am tempted to push a case on you based on how deceitful and inflammatory you've been so far, but as one player to another, outside of this singular game, it makes me not want to play. At all. It pisses me off. A lot. Please, this as as kind as I can be right now. Stop it.


-V

There is so many person attacks/insults in this post right here making me just want to replace out and say fuck this game currently. You know even if you are ragey there is a way to avoid posting things like this. At least please learn to control your temper, thanks.

I'm being deceitful and inflammatory?

If you think I'm scum reading Mastin just because he's defending you.. You have another thing coming. I already presented why he pinged gut when I was catching up.

Mastin and you are probably both scum and I'll figure out who the others are once I have solid flips to look at.

[Malakittens]

That's hilarious. You have a problem with almost every single one of my posts. I'm just an aggressive player or you just need thicker skin.

I'm not full on engage tunnel AJ. I'm actually looking elsewhere, but yeah I want my largest scum read dead.

[Malakittens]

>_> I'm Nhamm's replacement Andy.

[Malakittens]

I agree with the Mastin scum read. I'm null on Rach and the rest I'm in disagreement, Even though I'm null-leaning town on SoS. I was townreading TF and this hasn't gone away because there was no reason for scum-TF to say my "reaching out tell in regards to Fery" is a null tell>

computer do not do this right now> let me enter the damn post< ty

[Malakittens]

mala?

probscum at this point
can definitely see people's case on her and id vote her because WOTC
will do my own metaread into nhamm just to appease myself
i want mala to be town
because she sang grenade for me
but
nacho hold me all the women are scum

... If you think I'm probs-scum why did you put me in your town read lists?..

[Malakittens]

If you tell a lie often enough, does it become truth?

If you say that you're Town often enough, does that make you Town?

EVERYONE IN TOWN, WATCH THIS CLIP:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber ... -questions

COMPARE IT TO WHAT SKULL JUST DID. AND THEN CONSIDER THAT MALA JUST SAID SHE SUPPORTED THIS VOTE.

I can't stand Mala & TF in this game, so, yeah.
Also <3 that clip.
It's 3.35 AM here, but I still can't get in touch with MS.
Going to sleep.

-V

Everytime yoy post am I going to hear you whine in regards to my name?

[Malakittens]

^ Please do tell me when you get the chance. I will make a decision in the morning whether or not I'm legit placing out to make this game more enjoyable for the two of us.

[Malakittens]

That's to FTL btw.

I'm going to bed though.

[Malakittens]

Molliffy why do you think Mala's scum

He didn't like my entrance into the game.

hello this is MS


and i would like to say that mara pushing my slot is TvT

in HxH mala had broken sensors and she tunneled me calling me "omg ms is scum lynch lynch lynch"

later mala got lynched and flipped VT

apparently good thing her push didnt get traction because I was mason with gif/bork and yes mala cant read me

so i am inclined to believe that mala cant read me now either and is just throwing shit which varsoon is getting pissed off of

and yes i am now in touch with varsoon that is a good thing now lets play mafia

Um, hi. I never really tunneled you persay. I actually tunneled Oversoul a bit, but then I thought you were scum and then kinda let it go a bit?

Finally got to talk to Metal Sonic, confirming that here.

@Mala: I'm sorry. MS told me I was coming off as a total ass, too, and that's just not cool (of me, I mean). Your posts really jarred me around, especially how curt and cut-and-dry you are about calling people scum. I'll try to be a bit more clear-headed and understanding with you, but, please, articulate your reads a bit more. It's frustrating to see other players call for sheeps while not offering much new info. For now though, I think I've been way too abrasive and directly annoyed with your play, and it's polarized us in a way that isn't helpful at all to this game. So... truce?

I'm working on a really dope ISO-y/Reads list (instead of suicide, figured it'd be a little more better management of my time) so hold your breath. Should be coming this afternoon, and should synthesize MS's thoughts. :3

-V

Yeah let's truce. To be frank I don't like our back and forth and it was making me replace out which was why I posted what I posted before I went to bed. You'll going to have to deal with me being aggressive though. That's not going to change.

ms here and i cant help but say that even that mala apology was over the top

yeah mala the cat is town imo but that is non-standard varsoon behaviour (amished tell or whatever fancy term you call it)

rest assured that we are town and we are talking on fb right now

making reads list with vars now


pedits: wow 4 posts this is magic

@notscience if something's malfunctioning and then it is malfunctioning
tl;dr yes

p-pedit: gif ily <3

Amished tell really isn't town motivated though. I mean I even played it the time I was scum and I have seen scum do it. Town can do it also, but I guess I just don't care for it.

[Malakittens]

Apparently he scumslipped with that 5 scums in the game thingy.

Don't really see it as a scum slip. I myself have always thought about how many scum are in a game so I can look for possible connections. Main reason why I haven't voted Mastin. I think he's scum, but not for the whole "5 scum thing".

I am not a fan of the mastin wagon at all. he has been saying a lot of the things that I have been thinking the only thing that really and truly bugs me is his buttering up after everything he said in pikman.

I really don't see how can people read andy's posts as remotely townish when they look like they were dipped in a vat of steroids intended for a wwf infomercial I mean omg. what he is doing is the very definition of scum posturing. that isn't andy.

I will vote ftl to save mastin. his early posts gave me the heebee jeebees but varsoon has a tendency to do that. he can also aTe like a pro, he is a very good actor and no, I disagree, I don't think he deserves a win because of it. he is a null read that I am willing to lynch.

will lynch nicky too but my strongest strongest scum read is andy.

I'm going to look back on the andy thing once I finish catching up.

[Malakittens]

obviously there are scum pushing this bullshit

who is the scum?

Nick, Skull are scum pushing. The team I have is Nick, skull, Mala, with an end of TF/Rach/Andrius.

You want outside pushing?

I agree with the Mastin scum read.

I'm null on Rach and the rest I'm in disagreement, Even though I'm null-leaning town on SoS. I was townreading TF and this hasn't gone away because there was no reason for scum-TF to say my "reaching out tell in regards to Fery" is a null tell>

computer do not do this right now> let me enter the damn post< ty

Seriously, though: The writing is on the wall that Mala is scum this game.

I didn't realize that I became so damn outspoken when I had caught scum. The FTL thing was not TvT, that's a terrible assumption. Unfortunately, I'm probably going to end up on my second choice (nick) because I have two townreads and a conftown there right now.

Hey Trust fund. Your reads are bad, and you should feel bad. Wanna know why?

We don't kill confirmed town (NotScience). -100 town points.
We don't kill Probtown (FTL) -10 town points
Malakittens is in no way town. You're lacking any reason. -10 town points
Calling yourself town stinks. -10 town points
Zmuffin is more town than you. -5 town points
Nick, Nacho, and Bro have enough content to decide what to do with them. Especially nick. Stop being so easy on 'controversial' or important reads. Take a -15 town points.
Skull read: She votes mastin, so she's not a good scum read of yours? Only a lean? Come on. Not everyone who votes your target is scum. (you just lost all your town points here, so we're not going to dwell on how many that was)

So, you've just earned yourself a solid scum spot. Hoorah for terrible reads.

You accuse me of tunneling, but you are doing the exact same thing.

I can also tunnel as town, but you haven't considered that!(granted this is a hydra, but I was very set on this scum read and pushed for it while yelling at NS the whole time)

Predit:

yeah, I do, but I want to recheck OMGL's game first. I know it's different because he replaced in, but I want to see something in his posts.

[Malakittens]

Aww, you don't like me wanting VI's dead and gone? You poor thing.

Confirmed town is still confirmed town. Don't make the town have to take care of it. That's for the scum to clear up. We hunt scum, not town. We vig unknowns, not verified town. Stop getting all butthurt about his claim. His play hasn't been a complete loss.

Show me a game where Mala used AtE so heavily and often as town. This isn't HER town game.

The point on zmuffin is something called 'confirmation bias'. He's not scum, get over it.

You can't even give a lean on Nick? Come on, he was part of the early controversy with TD, has posted throughout and every post he's made has stuck out to me like a sore thumb. I don't know how you've missed getting some read on him.

And I don't care if skull is on Mastin or not. She's obviously there as a sheep. There are scum on that wagon.

I haven't used AtE that much? Stop tunneling me.

[Malakittens]

Holy shit. The links that SoS posted on Andy look similar to the walls here. brb checking new links and then moving onto Mastin.

[Malakittens]

Holy shit. The links that SoS posted on Andy look similar to the walls here. brb checking new links and then moving onto Mastin.

Uh

"andy's walls here look like the scum meta SoS just linked"

"moving on to mastin"

???

Dude. I already explained what I wanted to look for in Mastin's scum game. I'm not seeing it either.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=12314

Starting to doubt that scum-read on Mastin. -__-

[Malakittens]

No. Means I'm checking meta on him.

[Malakittens]

@ syrlacious <3

@desp

the entrance post fit his scum meta but pl had not ended yet so I couldn't say it. it is a strong meta read, not in the way of pattern-matching but what I know about andy. he is posturing for affect <---- for andy, I am thinking that is a relative scumtell.

Yeah I read those walls from Perpetual Mylo and I can see what you are seeing.

With that said, I also see a) way more detail in his reads and b) way more time spent antagonizing unconfirmed players.

What needs to happen to get you on board with Rach-scum? You were null-scum leaning on her earlier, what changed? I feel like she's gotten scummier as the game has progressed

Okay from Perpetual LyLo to Xeno I. I see a difference in the first wall. Xeno I - less fluffy, less ragey. Second post similar reaction to the Sven claim to NS claim here. Perpetual LyLo - more fluffy, more ragey. Also the reads are more developed.

VOTE: Andy

In the process of moving back onto Mastin scum-game in Micro vs Mastin-town game in Micro. brb.

[Malakittens]

I'm shit at either meta'ing Mastin in general or his play makes me feel it's the same. He self-meta's as both alignments. He's over confident as both alignments. He does gambits as town. He uses ':p' too much. He tries to confirm his alignment as both alignments with meta. He's unreadable to me.

[Malakittens]

The bold is me saying there is a difference... There IS a clear difference in his Xeno I play to his Pert play.. There's a difference from his Xeno II play to his Xeno I play. His Xeno II play is similar to his play in Pert game besides the minor part of the reaction to NS's claim here to Xeno I. Does this make more sense?

I need her to post more. I have played numerous games with her and all of what everyone is accusing her of doing is something she does as either alignment. I thought I had a scum-tell relative tell on her from F+1, but it came to be untrue because she did it to a following open game where she was town.

[Malakittens]

Holy shit. The links that SoS posted on Andy look similar to the walls here. brb checking new links and then moving onto Mastin.

Uh

"andy's walls here look like the scum meta SoS just linked"

"moving on to mastin"

???

how much of a fucking misrep could this be? there's a whole part of that sentence you've missed out which is pretty key to the fact that Mala is

not

just moving onto mastin.


VOTE: Trust Fund

iirc mollie didn't get what mala was saying there either.

Wrong. She didn't get my Andy read

[Malakittens]

If the vig

does

shoot NS.. I think I will personally hunt you down and kill you.

[Malakittens]

If the vig

does

shoot NS.. I think I will personally hunt you down and kill you.

You're talking to Muffin, not me, right? Just making sure, because I might be a little heartbroken if you were talking to me.

Went ahead and read the Andy meta as town, and then his posting here. I DO notice a contrast in the posting. He seems more... well, some others put it as hyper-aggressive so that's the term we're going to use. Changes reads substantially.

HOWEVER, I'd still rather a Rach lynch because she is indefinitely useless in this game. I would not be heartbroken if we decided to lynch Andy, though.

VOTE: RachMarie

Going to do a readthrough of nick soon and decide on him.

@NS: Your humor lacks.

Do you want to lynch someone because they are useless or because they are scummy. Personally, I rather do the latter then the former.

Whoever made the first comment to vig Ns. It's the most retarded thing that has been said this game. Why would you want a vig to vig a conf town. JOKE OR NOT JOKE IT'S NOT FUNNY.

[Malakittens]

Hi Mollie I already grilled him 'bout that.

[Malakittens]

gotta love how everyone is ignoring our conf town.

Seriously

you guys are the best.

[Malakittens]

I'm actually talking about all the other players in general.

[Malakittens]

I admit I had not really read much of the past 20 pages since page 36 I was busy trying to get a preliminary reads list out, got tired of peeps calling me useless

You can fix that by actually reading the posts and creating reads that don't look like you slapped them together in about 2 minutes. There is literally no depth of your reads here, and I see absolutely no effort from you.

for the love of everything.

SHE DOES THIS AS EITHER ALIGNMENT.

Everyone is calling her scum and pushing her for being useless, but her reads really don't develop until later.

Have you done a meta check on her?

>.>

[Malakittens]

^ Yeah you are just PL'ing her for being useless.

[Malakittens]

someone unvote skullduggery so he doesn't get lynched before mastin is able to post

Yes because 2 votes out of 11 is really close to bein lynched.

[Malakittens]

No you can blame Mastin. He's trying to keep votes off skull.

[Malakittens]

Really Mastin?

I didn't like TD's way of saying how he would have played Venmar's role. It looked highly scummy because if there was a CC he was fucked and it would give scum a free mislynch and a free PR.

I guess asking a question in regards to Rach makes me scum? I really wanted that answered, but instead she didn't and I went about it myself.

Okay? So everyone else can say "Nacho meta is this/that", but when I say it I'm defending Nacho? I have seen Nacho as both alignments and he does lurk as both alignments so to me it IS a null tell. I'm not buddying Rach?

That last part was me joking. Well not about Fery/Mollie, but he seems to be uncomfortable with it. If he lands on the wrong side of it - he might be found out. That's how he came across to me.

[Malakittens]

so essentially your scum candidates are all scum because they make sense as scum together?

Very similar to what AJ is doing, but with more words.

[Malakittens]

Has anyone considered me being aggressive is NOT an alignment tell? There has been multiple games where this has been brought up.

If you misrep me of course I'm going to accuse you of a misrep. I don't stand for that. if it wasn't a direct misrep I would have left it alone, but it was a direct misrep. The fact you are bringing it up and trying to paint me scum from it is ridiculous.

I have to get to FTL's post after work. I have some issues with it.

[Malakittens]

Has anyone considered me being aggressive is NOT an alignment tell? There has been multiple games where this has been brought up.

If you misrep me of course I'm going to accuse you of a misrep. I don't stand for that. if it wasn't a direct misrep I would have left it alone, but it was a direct misrep. The fact you are bringing it up and trying to paint me scum from it is ridiculous.

I have to get to FTL's post after work. I have some issues with it.

It makes sense, it's just that aggression can be a good wall of smoke to hide behind as scum. It's all about motivation/reason.

-V

Also could be a good town motivation to hide behind too (;

[Malakittens]

Okay Ghost is currently suffering from confirmation bias. I already said my tone is not alignment indicative.

Mollie: :\

I'll get to FTL's tomorrow. I'm too lazy to post my thoughts currently.

/lazycat!

[Malakittens]

At Fery I don't ever think there's a game you have ever read me as town. The only game you did was in the 2hydra and I think that read was mainly Buld's. one of these days you are bound to be wrong and lynch me. I'm actually town this game (this may come as a shock to half these people scum reading me right now).

Better yet explain the read as I recall you and GiF keep bouncing on it, but also GiF called me town - you called me scum. The next time someone asked GiF was scum reading me and you were at null? Now you're back to scum. It doesn't make sense in the least bit.

[Malakittens]

Mutley likes to troll as scum

[Malakittens]

I still have a slight scum read on FTL & TP.

I have a scum read on Mastin and Andy.

Going to announce this now, but starting Friday - I'll be V/LA until Tuesday morning. Since I'll be in the city - I won't exactly know how my phone access will be and I don't have a computer or anything.

[Malakittens]

Herro scum cw. Rach is town and Andy is scum, tyvm.

[Malakittens]

Ju pls r pain it in drink poplesntrrms

[Malakittens]

Herro scum cw. Rach is town and Andy is scum, tyvm.

This is what I meant.

[Malakittens]

He and his scumbuddies were talking in their QT about lynching mala, then they decided not to. Andi forgot that and had a prepackaged response for the beginning of the day. "le slip"

Nah. I don't really think so tbh.

Plus I think Andy is town, town & town. I was wrong last day phrase, but he was CW to Rach.

[Malakittens]

andruissssssssssssssssssss; i'm not deadddd

[Malakittens]

Mala or Bro should be the lynch today.

I agree with 50% of what you've said.

This is a higher percentage than usual.

I disagree with my half of being the lynch today.

....Why does no one ever believe me X_X?

Because Andy isn't scum?

[Malakittens]

mala plz vote bro

VOTE: bro

[Malakittens]

its pretty clear rach is scum vars

VOTE: Rach


i trusted you to have better judgement smh

i did not like this post from ftl hydra.

but then again ms was calling rach scum all game whilst varsoon preached that she was null. he only sorta fell that way when nacho convinced him but even then didn't vote.

vote: Mala

^ interactions with rach. didn't particularly push rach as town until later, instead using the "she does this as either alignment" argument which is nonsense, or else we wouldn't have been able to nail her as scum.

Please do point where I called her town once as I didn't. I felt everyone was trying to PL her. She does do that at either alignment, but it's okay everyone will get a free skate because this time everyone was able to catch her while scum doing it.

~

Bro is basically sheeping AJ and trying to get others to follow him. -_-

I have to look at Bro's list, but I feel like some of the reads are either OMGUSY-worthy or just blech on Bro's part. Least he can do is explain some of them.

[Malakittens]

Herro scum cw. Rach is town and Andy is scum, tyvm.

i think you said it here?

amirite?

... Yeah that was right about the time I had my second drink of vodka. I do not remember saying that.

not one single person was trying to policy lynch rach. you are just flat out bullshitting now mala.

moar mala votes plz

They will keep saying it wasn't a policy lynch, but it looked like a policy lynch to me. I have seen her be mislynch bait before because hell I as scum mislynched her on dead purpose to try and bring in a win. There's been times where scum-Rach has been more "obvious" to me and I couldn't pull a lynch on her because I wasn't being listened too, but town Rach is somewhat easy for me to read. I have played with her when I was town in two other games and I pegged her as town right away. So, yeah I *thought* I was decent at reading her, but I'm wrong now.

[Malakittens]

Mollie asked me to move my vote. I was planning to anyways after reviewing SoS' posts. Fery was convinced Bro was scum and I wasn't convinced myself of Bro's liar tell that he was trying to push on Fery when I first replaced into.

[Malakittens]

I think it's funny. Bro gets to 3 votes and then shortly after I'm up to three votes. Like I said reeks of me being a counterwagon to scum-Bro at this point of time.

TF you did a similar gambit in Vox's game. So there's a freaken chance you *could* be lying about your role again. I already had a decent town read on you so that's not going to change anytime soon.

[Malakittens]

so tf, scum would not have been able to nightkill at all?

It strips my target of any and all powers so long as they're scum. So basically, if bro was scum, he'd lose any night role AND the ability to preform the factional kill.

Okay? So if he was vanilla AND lost the power to kill.. Why would he admit he lost the power to kill? He wouldn't.

[Malakittens]

so tf, scum would not have been able to nightkill at all?

It strips my target of any and all powers so long as they're scum. So basically, if bro was scum, he'd lose any night role AND the ability to preform the factional kill.

right.

so bro could still be scum if he didn't make the factional kill (which he wouldn't have)

@mala oh my god i cannot believe you are talking about counterwagons, talk about desperate. who are the scum on your counterwagon then?

Bro and I'm still not sold on Aj-town.

Yep, I'm so desperate. No, the wagon is conveniently made after Bro has a few votes placed on him. Give it a few more hours and I'll be in the lead.

[Malakittens]

Well whateverz.

Oh fuck me.

No, mine.

I'm a winner at a losing game.

._.

BORK DELETE THAT PLS.

[Malakittens]

the push on her made her look town because of the way some of the people were pushing it, honestly i think it was just luck she flipped scum.

This.

Well it's pretty inevitable that I'm the lynch for today. So might just get it over with now than later

[Malakittens]

Mollie is town. Leave her the fuck alone.

[Malakittens]

Mastin is also town. Leave him the fuck alpne

[Malakittens]

Thanks for already stating what I just did Nacho & AJ.

[Malakittens]

Sure whatever AJ. I'm being fake to trying to tell someone to leave another alone. I guess anyone who I call town... Ill be supposedly buddying. Does this mean I'm buddying Mastin too?!?

[Malakittens]

._. Why am I still alive.

Guess ill make a comment after work.

[Malakittens]

._. Why am I still alive.

Why wouldn't you be alive? Did you expect to be lynched, or night killed, or what?

Lynched

[Malakittens]

._. Why am I still alive.

Why wouldn't you be alive? Did you expect to be lynched, or night killed, or what?

Lynched

Why did you expect to be lynched?

because every fucking person scum reading me is still alive. anyone who is wanting to push a lynch and kill me after day 1 is still alive. I figured after I got ran up pretty damn fast in D2 I was the lynch.

[Malakittens]

Majiffy why are you so sexy

plz don't encourage him


I don't want to lynch nicky anymore

UNVOTE: nicky

Yay second time you did this.

[Malakittens]

@ghosty

why do you think mala is scum?

Day 1 is full of more of her hyper aggressive defense and pushing much of no one.

Day 2 is her doing fuck all passively while we try to hang her.

As a third reason, Day 1's vibe and Day 2's vibe are not congruent with a townie who's had fuck all with a frustrating, pointless town. Granted, I rage at everything, but there's no meltdown. It's more 'meh, whatever. You want to lynch me? I'm good with that.' Generally there's a meltdown or something before someone reaches that fucking phase.

Please do go meta me before you post shit like this, thanks.

[Malakittens]

yes. we are gonna have to sort mastin too. I said I would him leave him be until d3 to get busy and so far I am underwhelmed.

mebbe we need to do a bit of dancing.

Mastin is town, leave him alone.

Oops, forgot.

VOTE: Mala

Nice 180 and to boot the only wagon that could be a counter to yours. gj.

bye show time.

[Malakittens]

At this point I don't even.

FTL earlier this day "Mala is cute, don't lynch her" now has become "Hey guise I got a gambit, let's lynch mala, but nick is still my highest scum read, but I want mala gone because she's aggressive".

[Malakittens]

saki was obv annoying poster that just annoyed. Worth blowing my whole load on him

what a fool he was!

if only he had studied your posts, and learned not to be an obv annoying poster that just annoyed.

At this point I don't even.

please start do evening.

No seriously what the fuck is the point. If I do nothing I'm lynched and if I do something I'm lynched. Regardless of my flip everyone is going to fucking ignore my reads. Aka: Mollie. She doesn't need to sort out Mastin because he's town. THIS IS TOWN MASTIN. yet she's not listening to me.

I wanted FTL dead in D1 because they dropped scum tells to me, but did anyone listen to me? Nope.

So if you

aren't

going to listen then I'm not going to bother wasting my time on something that's just going to go in one ear and out another.

[Malakittens]

If I do nothing I'm lynched and if I do something I'm lynched.

well you wouldn't be lynched if you did something and it actually looked town.

i'm personally not convinced you're scum, but i wouldn't feel particularly bad if you're lynched because you're being antitown.

if you're town, why don't you help us find scum.

i'm not convinced ftl is scum, change my mind.

while you're at it, talk about who else you think is scum, and who you think is town.

You don't get it do you?

I tried to do something during Day 1. I was getting scum read for catching up and interacting with players and posting my thoughts and chasing after my highest scum read.

These same said people who were voting me for being scum D1 are still alive and voting for me D2.

Although some of the people on my wagon currently I feel are town. So there's a chance this may be a town driven wagon (AJ, Mastin)

Nick did a crazy flip flop on me from Day 1 and it looks survivalist at this point. Which in both ways can be a town tell or a scum tell, but I might be leaning on a scum tell at this point with one scum dead.

BRO is probably scum due to the NK.

Ghostlin is fuck tunneling so I'm not sure, but due to him misrepping me I'm leaning scum.

Mac is just a confused townie.

I'm "eh" on FTL at this point. Something in Day 2 that was posted is making me think town. No I won't point it out. so I'm having mixed feels right now.

[Malakittens]

Biased.
Pushing your scum-read is not survivalistic, especially when you've got good points that explain how that person is scummy.

Yeah, it's super fucking backwards that Mala was one of Nick's town reads and now she's a scum read, so I'd like to get to the bottom of that, too.
In order to do so, we need votes, though.

Yes it is when he was town reading me day 1 and now that he has a wagon and I have a wagon he starts magically scum reading me. Why are you defending him?

[Malakittens]

The contrast between this Mala and the scum-replace-in mala from my Newbie is pretty strong, and even absent from her meta she's been reasonably towny. Townread on that slot.

Could Yall like cite your meta on mollie?

Town-leaning

:

Malakittens

- I've already talked about this, but her entering the thread looks towny.

zMuffin

- Feels authentic, although I'm still waiting on his new reads.

thezmon

- Arguing against him feels like arguing with a thoughtful townie, although I disagree with some of his reads

BROseiden

- I like his notes regarding ghostlin, a player most people seem to have overlooked. His liar tell thing seems dumb, but it also seems town.

Null

:

Rach

- She's right up there with zMuffin as far as time since we last heard from her, and her play before didn't really give me much of an opinion on her.

Skull

- Nothing to see here

Nacho

- Not contributing much, but nacho never contributes much. Until something serious that he is forced to react to, I doubt I'll get much of a read here.

Andrius

- His scumread on me feels forced, but his read of the game feels towny. Dunno, really.

Ghostlin

-Yet to see very much from him. His vote on Mala is dumb, but it doesn't really pop out is scum to me. I'd like some reads from him.

TD

- His emotions seem legitimate, but I'm not sure I'm a fan of how quiet he's been lately.

Venmar

- Who knows? Not me.

Those other 2 hydras

- Too hard to read for anything real D1, methinks.
Everyone else I forgot.

Scum-leaning:-

B&B

- The harass of Mala doesn't look towny. That said, the hydra dissonance is strong with this one, and i'm having a hard time even figuring out what they believe. Also, sign your posts, seriously, it's not hard. Can yall like, talk to eachother and agree on reads or something?

FTL

- Have these 2 ever played in a hydra before? Seriously, you guys are harder to figure out then B&B, and not in a good way. MS is barely even legible, and all his question seem completely random and pointless. I see a tiny bit of scummieness poking through from Varsoon in posts like this:

@Nick: TD's vote on Venmar, then pulling in the reigns when it doesn't work out.

-V

(TD never voted Venmar)
VOTE: FTL
I don't get the feeling they are putting any effort at all into working together, making it hard to get a read. Hopefully they'll eventually feel enough preassure to do it, and then I can be more definitive in my read.

Mastin

- This:

I'm thinking at this point that BROseidon might be scum, from his iso. "Why? His words look so town!" Words, yes. A good scum player can create good words. Actions, on the other hand? Actions, I think make him scum. Macscumread, nicktownread, fakeish-looking reaction to IC, SoS scumread, general reads not seeming all too original (this may just be me, though), overall posting not screaming town even though the words themselves look town. Not much, but worrisome. (Basically: any individual sentence may look town, but their sum is less than their parts.)

Is dumb and doesn't make much sense. His read on me also looks pretty forced, but since he doesn't really bother to back it up, it's hard to tell. It worries me that he doesn't really do any analysis on the TD wagon, which seems like something someone who considers themself to be as analytical as Mastin seems to think he is would do.

Mac

- Reasons are in my iso. Scum.

Town

:

Mutleyddmc

-I like his vig kill and it seemed genuine

BeautyAndTheBeast

- They need to get their shit together, but they seem pretty townie in their involvement.

notscience

- duh

nickthename

- duh

mastin2

- His latest reactions and analysis seem townier, and considering he mentioned multiple times his day 2 would be better than his day 1, I think he's likely town.

TiphaineDeath

- He's not very useful, but his emotions and reactions feel townie. I'd sure like him to post some more real content, though.

Trust Fund

- The claim and gambit thing seemed town, and the rest of their play has seemed fairly townie.

Aj The Epic

- His early game case on me was pretty weak, but seemed believably town, and I like his 1247/reaction to mastin votes. Not a whole lot to see here, seems town.

Desperado

- He didn't post that much early on, but his questions and analysis all seem pointed and accurate, something hard to fake.

Null-Town

:

BROseidon

- Much less sure then my other town reads, but his 758 feels like a townie analysis, and if TF is town then even if BRO is scum he's pretty toothless, so yeah. When re-reading his iso, he seems almost uncharacteristically angry, which I'm not sure I like. Also, his hammer was god-awful.

zMuffinMan

-His treatment of my wagon could conceivably be scum distancing themself from a mislynch, that said, it reminds me of my own play around wagons I don't understand. Definitely someone to look into more in the future, but sufficiently townie at the moment.

Null

:

Andrius

- Soft claimed a PR and didn't get night-killed, which is a little iffy, and his treatment of Rach felt a tad bit bussy to me. His play-style is hard for me to read, but it seems kinda towny? I don't really know.

Everyone else:

(From least to most scummy)

Faster Than Light

- I don't like his attitude, he seems far too concerned with his own appearance.

Venmar

-I'm not seeing enough involved content here, which is concerning. I'm worried he might be just sitting on his claim and just making short posts to avoid getting a second glance. That said, I don't think he's a very good early game lynch.

Ghostlin

- He doesn't push Rach much but jumps on her wagon at the very end, which is alarming. His day 2 stuff his been a bit better.

Mac

-He just goes with the flow a little

too

hard.

Nachomamm8

- I'm not going to retread over all of what mastin said in 2815, but Rach's treatment of Nacho was very bad. Also, he votes Rach in 995 but then unvotes in 1432, and I can't find any explanation for either. I don't like his treatment of her, and I don't like her treatment of him.

Malakittens

- Lots of people calling her scum, but no wagon ever appeared. Suspicious. Her thing about why she hasn't she been lynched yet? Suspicious. The push on FTL is really bad, reminds me of the push on me here, where she was scum. Promised comment in 3088, but it just didn't happen, and it feels like her last few posts are just to say that she's posting. Also, I don't understand 3118 at all. Does she think i'm town? If that's the case, why didn't she say anything? What's the point there?

Oops, forgot.

VOTE: Mala

Day 1 posts all that he's mentioned of me and his day 2 posts with the huge flop.

[Malakittens]

The contrast between this Mala and the scum-replace-in mala from my Newbie is pretty strong, and even absent from her meta she's been reasonably towny. Townread on that slot.

Could Yall like cite your meta on mollie?

Town-leaning

:

Malakittens

- I've already talked about this, but her entering the thread looks towny.

zMuffin

- Feels authentic, although I'm still waiting on his new reads.

thezmon

- Arguing against him feels like arguing with a thoughtful townie, although I disagree with some of his reads

BROseiden

- I like his notes regarding ghostlin, a player most people seem to have overlooked. His liar tell thing seems dumb, but it also seems town.

Null

:

Rach

- She's right up there with zMuffin as far as time since we last heard from her, and her play before didn't really give me much of an opinion on her.

Skull

- Nothing to see here

Nacho

- Not contributing much, but nacho never contributes much. Until something serious that he is forced to react to, I doubt I'll get much of a read here.

Andrius

- His scumread on me feels forced, but his read of the game feels towny. Dunno, really.

Ghostlin

-Yet to see very much from him. His vote on Mala is dumb, but it doesn't really pop out is scum to me. I'd like some reads from him.

TD

- His emotions seem legitimate, but I'm not sure I'm a fan of how quiet he's been lately.

Venmar

- Who knows? Not me.

Those other 2 hydras

- Too hard to read for anything real D1, methinks.
Everyone else I forgot.

Scum-leaning:-

B&B

- The harass of Mala doesn't look towny. That said, the hydra dissonance is strong with this one, and i'm having a hard time even figuring out what they believe. Also, sign your posts, seriously, it's not hard. Can yall like, talk to eachother and agree on reads or something?

FTL

- Have these 2 ever played in a hydra before? Seriously, you guys are harder to figure out then B&B, and not in a good way. MS is barely even legible, and all his question seem completely random and pointless. I see a tiny bit of scummieness poking through from Varsoon in posts like this:

@Nick: TD's vote on Venmar, then pulling in the reigns when it doesn't work out.

-V

(TD never voted Venmar)
VOTE: FTL
I don't get the feeling they are putting any effort at all into working together, making it hard to get a read. Hopefully they'll eventually feel enough preassure to do it, and then I can be more definitive in my read.

Mastin

- This:

I'm thinking at this point that BROseidon might be scum, from his iso. "Why? His words look so town!" Words, yes. A good scum player can create good words. Actions, on the other hand? Actions, I think make him scum. Macscumread, nicktownread, fakeish-looking reaction to IC, SoS scumread, general reads not seeming all too original (this may just be me, though), overall posting not screaming town even though the words themselves look town. Not much, but worrisome. (Basically: any individual sentence may look town, but their sum is less than their parts.)

Is dumb and doesn't make much sense. His read on me also looks pretty forced, but since he doesn't really bother to back it up, it's hard to tell. It worries me that he doesn't really do any analysis on the TD wagon, which seems like something someone who considers themself to be as analytical as Mastin seems to think he is would do.

Mac

- Reasons are in my iso. Scum.

Town

:

Mutleyddmc

-I like his vig kill and it seemed genuine

BeautyAndTheBeast

- They need to get their shit together, but they seem pretty townie in their involvement.

notscience

- duh

nickthename

- duh

mastin2

- His latest reactions and analysis seem townier, and considering he mentioned multiple times his day 2 would be better than his day 1, I think he's likely town.

TiphaineDeath

- He's not very useful, but his emotions and reactions feel townie. I'd sure like him to post some more real content, though.

Trust Fund

- The claim and gambit thing seemed town, and the rest of their play has seemed fairly townie.

Aj The Epic

- His early game case on me was pretty weak, but seemed believably town, and I like his 1247/reaction to mastin votes. Not a whole lot to see here, seems town.

Desperado

- He didn't post that much early on, but his questions and analysis all seem pointed and accurate, something hard to fake.

Null-Town

:

BROseidon

- Much less sure then my other town reads, but his 758 feels like a townie analysis, and if TF is town then even if BRO is scum he's pretty toothless, so yeah. When re-reading his iso, he seems almost uncharacteristically angry, which I'm not sure I like. Also, his hammer was god-awful.

zMuffinMan

-His treatment of my wagon could conceivably be scum distancing themself from a mislynch, that said, it reminds me of my own play around wagons I don't understand. Definitely someone to look into more in the future, but sufficiently townie at the moment.

Null

:

Andrius

- Soft claimed a PR and didn't get night-killed, which is a little iffy, and his treatment of Rach felt a tad bit bussy to me. His play-style is hard for me to read, but it seems kinda towny? I don't really know.

Everyone else:

(From least to most scummy)

Faster Than Light

- I don't like his attitude, he seems far too concerned with his own appearance.

Venmar

-I'm not seeing enough involved content here, which is concerning. I'm worried he might be just sitting on his claim and just making short posts to avoid getting a second glance. That said, I don't think he's a very good early game lynch.

Ghostlin

- He doesn't push Rach much but jumps on her wagon at the very end, which is alarming. His day 2 stuff his been a bit better.

Mac

-He just goes with the flow a little

too

hard.

Nachomamm8

- I'm not going to retread over all of what mastin said in 2815, but Rach's treatment of Nacho was very bad. Also, he votes Rach in 995 but then unvotes in 1432, and I can't find any explanation for either. I don't like his treatment of her, and I don't like her treatment of him.

Malakittens

- Lots of people calling her scum, but no wagon ever appeared. Suspicious. Her thing about why she hasn't she been lynched yet? Suspicious. The push on FTL is really bad, reminds me of the push on me here, where she was scum. Promised comment in 3088, but it just didn't happen, and it feels like her last few posts are just to say that she's posting. Also, I don't understand 3118 at all. Does she think i'm town? If that's the case, why didn't she say anything? What's the point there?

Oops, forgot.

VOTE: Mala

Day 1 posts all that he's mentioned of me and his day 2 posts with the huge flop.

[Malakittens]

Argh. Internet.

[Malakittens]

Votecount 2.2

[6] nickthename (Faster Than Light, Nachomamma8, Andrius, BROseidon, Aj The Epic, Trust Fund)
[3] Malakittens (Mac, mastin2, Ghostlin)
[2] BROseidon (zMuffinMan, Malakittens)
[2] Nachomamma8 (Venmar, BeautyAndTheBeast)
[1] BeautyAndTheBeast (TiphaineDeath)

[4] Not Voting (Desperado, notscience, Mutleyddmc, nickthename)

With 18 alive, it is 10 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-11 09:30:00)

Votecount 2.3

[8] nickthename (Faster Than Light, Nachomamma8, Andrius, BROseidon, Aj The Epic, Trust Fund, BeautyAndTheBeast, notscience)
[3] Malakittens (Mac, mastin2, Ghostlin)
[2] BROseidon (zMuffinMan, Malakittens)
[1] BeautyAndTheBeast (TiphaineDeath)
[1] Nachomamma8 (Venmar)

[3] Not Voting (Desperado, Mutleyddmc, nickthename)

With 18 alive, it is 10 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-11 09:30:00)

Ps a wagon did happen on me. I will post Day 2 vote counts when I get home. (I gotta hand do them, but I HAD a wagon on me Nick.)

[Malakittens]

re: mastin. plz don't interfere with how I sort people cos I am not just wanting to sort mastin's alignment, I would like to get to know him as a player. you think I am ignoring you and I am not, I am just thinking of different things. I want to get close to mastin.

Fine. Ill leave you alone.

[Malakittens]

I'm here. Andy does that list ever change? Also why can't you sort people out yourself ?

[Malakittens]

Bit of a prod dodge. I'm sick currently so I need to sleep this off

[Malakittens]

talk about the "way" mala has coasted and why it's "scummy"

i'm aware you've called things scummy, i've yet to see you explain why they are.

nhammen's entry post was incredibly reminiscent of his entry-post and overall posting style as scum in a game I recently completed with him. He posted a lot of IIoA and fence-sitting stuff without engaging with what was actually going on around him. This demonstrates a scum interest because it makes him appear like he's engaging with the thread while he's not actually pushing the game forward.

Mala comes in, doesn't post anything of substance, and instead spends most of day 1 trying to push people off the Rach wagon without actually giving any reasons as to why Rach is town. Her response to Thez's case, "so lol PL," was particularly horrible, but everything she posted was along the lines of "this is just Rach posting the way Rach does" despite the fact that Rach was strongly playing to her scum meta of only posting fluff without actually scumhunting at all. This demonstrates scum interest because it's her trying to derail a wagon on scum for reasons that were not just bad, but horrible (note, this is the same thing I was saying about Venmar yesterday).

And she (like many players that I want to look at) coasted through yesterday. Instead of engaging with the thread and trying to prove why she's town, she was content to lurk out the day, not contribute anything, and let the nick lynch go through without voicing an actual opinion. This demonstrates scum interest because it got pressure off her in the short-term while not giving any content for the rest of us to work with should we decide to ultimately lynch her.

Now are you going to respond to my case, or are you going to continue to deathtunnel me and treat me like shit?

I did post things of substance, but to each their own. I made ONE little mistake I didn't fully finish fucking reading and I went after B&B because I wasn't seeing town Mollie, but then I still kept giving out my reads which people disagreed with. I listened and I then stopped I went over past games and I changed my reads because my meta was wrong.

Rach was a null read to me because things she was doing is things I have seen her do as both alignments. So sue me for not wanting to lynch someone off of things I saw as null tells. Yes a lot of things I saw looked like a Policy Lynch. She was being useless and that's what people were throwing around. I would do the same if someone tried to PL NS right now for being an "useless" confirmed town. I have only seen scum-Rach ONE time, ONE TIME. She replaced into the game when the scum had basically lost, but hey I couldn't get the town to listen to me and lynch her and she ended up winning after NK'ing me because the town tore each other apart.

Yes because it's scum-me best interest to derail my scum partner's wagon. I did it once with town-Nacho in the game, but also you and Nick. Why would scum-me be stupid enough to do it again? I wouldn't.

~

I already gave out some of my reads.

Andrius is town.
Aj is town.
Mastin is town.
Ftl is probably town.
Mac is confused town.
Muffin is probably town.
TF is probably town.

I haven't decided on Venmar. Too many mixed signals.

Bro is scum.
Nacho I'm unsure.
Ghost is leaning scum.

Mutley is not playing similar to what he did when he was scum. So I'm leaning town there.

Everyone else is unsure.

I know this is probably not "perfect" for everyone, but it's what I have.

~

@Mastin:


Explain the Mac vote? I'm surprised you didn't vote me straight off the bat. Change of heart?

[Malakittens]

@mala: If you think mastin is town, shouldn't you think venmar is town?

And yes mastin has a history of not voting his scumreads. Hence why he's scum!

yeah, The one thing that would make me think Venmar is town is if Mastin is town.

The reason I'm townreading Mastin is due to that defense gambit. Why? He pulled the same exact one in a game I was in, but instead of it being Venmar it was me. I was town and he got himself dayvigged in order to keep me from a lynch.

[Malakittens]

I think Venmar is town.

If I could get you sorted out I would be happy as a cat with a bowl of shrimp in front of me.

[Malakittens]

I already explained. I was already drinking by then so no I don't remember writing that.

[Malakittens]

I'm thinking before I do anything. I need to sort Nacho out and I need to reread something that Mollie said.

I also want Mastin to answer my question.

I want others to chime in.

[Malakittens]

Well, we could start with Mac, who I've noticed is posting elsewhere but not here.

I have ~reasons~ for mac-town as of today, fwiw.

Are these the same "~reasons~" you had for Boro-town because I still don't see myself clearing Boro based on your role.

[Malakittens]

I'll explain why Mastin's town when I get home.

Fwiw: B&TB were town reading Boro. I need to think that over. I could be wrong with my scum read on him.

Also Muffin explain your vote on me and can you explain why Ghost is town? I don't see him being town, sorry.

[Malakittens]

Does anyone understand the reason why everyone scum reading me is that you are all wrong on your reads on me and scum are using this to their advantage.

Mastin, for everything that is good in the world STOP TUNNELING ME!

AJ, I posted reads Day 1. I was sick towards the end of Day 2 and I'm still sick, but feeling a bit better.
My day 1 reads weren't perfect, but that's what I had..

[Malakittens]

This is why Mastin is town.

Read this ISO from this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=26140

it's very similar to how Mastin is acting here. He's town. There is no room for error.

@Mac:

I got a question for you.

Was your neighborize a day time or night time action? Which phrase # did you do it?

[Malakittens]

One off and the rest was on it.

[Malakittens]

... Sigh Mastin. Let's ignore me asking you to stop death tunneling me. I'm not scum. This is really getting old and annoying. It's these type of things in games that make me want to stop playing.

@AJ:

Desperado believes Mastin is scum, but it's not true. Why we are having the Mastin discussion.

@BRO:

Can you link me the Ghostlin game you are describing the attitude please? I want to see for myself.

@Muffin:

I think it's Ghostlin off the wagon. You can't ask me to answer something and make me eliminate a choice. I have slight townreads or townreads on most people off the wagon.


Also someone said TD is conf-town, how is that? I can understand TF, but not TD. I have a town read on TD, but I'm not going to sit here and call him conf-town though.

[Malakittens]

This is why Mastin is town.

Read this ISO from this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=26140

it's very similar to how Mastin is acting here. He's town. There is no room for error.

@Mac:

I got a question for you.

Was your neighborize a day time or night time action? Which phrase # did you do it?

day time. during day two.

Okay good.

[Malakittens]

so little time to post

just going drop this here: TD and Mac are confirmed town atm

[Malakittens]

... Sigh Mastin. Let's ignore me asking you to stop death tunneling me. I'm not scum. This is really getting old and annoying. It's these type of things in games that make me want to stop playing.

Also someone said TD is conf-town, how is that? I can understand TF, but not TD. I have a town read on TD, but I'm not going to sit here and call him conf-town though.

Problem is, Mala, there's literally nobody else off the nick wagon who can realistically be scum. This isn't a death-tunnel. This is pure. simple. logic and POE.
I'm not scum, Ghostlin isn't scum, nick flipped town, Venmar is town, TiphaineDeath is town. That leaves you, Muffin, and Andrius. Muffin's a decently-solid townread of mine, and I'm beginning to come around finally to Andrius being town as well. There's really nobody it can be other than you. (Heck, the Rach wagon's similar. I fully believe most of the scum bussed her.)

And your pushing of TD not being conftown yet having TD as a townread is even more evidence against you.

Simply put, I feel the game's been put into a lockdown and all we have to figure out is the remaining three scum who're on the nick wagon among the five names I listed. (Nacho obviously being one of them. Leaning towards Desp being another. But {BRO, Aj, Trust Fund}, I'm not as convinced on.) I legitimately feel like this could be (aside from the nick lynch as a necessary sacrifice to expose the scum) a perfect town win if we can fully sort this out.

How is asking why someone is conf-town in someone's eyes "me trying to push TD not being conftown"? I asked a question why. I think he's town, but I'm not going to call him conftown without some type of results. I don't see how it's any evidence against me.

It's okay when I flip town it's going to look horribly bad for you. You are trying too and keep trying to push a lynch off of PoE among other things.

[Malakittens]

Just no, this game is a no.

[Malakittens]

My reads are also changing due to new information yet I'm being berated for it.

My Andy read changed due to new information, my FTL changed due to new information (although I'm still waffling on it).

[Malakittens]

Just lynch me. I'm a liability in LyLo anyways (if I were to make it that far) since I'm mislynch bait for scum.

[Malakittens]

Could have sworn I posted. I'm waiting for TF to get done with his anaylsis.

[Malakittens]

Um um um what. Since when did Mastin claim or even AJ?

[Malakittens]

Guys, you could be fucking running the place

Yeah, you don't want me running the place.

Mac -> leaning town

gives off the PR vibe

This bug anyone else?

Yes. Yes. He looks like he's hunting for PRs in the thread. He already soft claimed cop in D2 on nacho, but it was so blantly put I saw it as a crumb for his team mates or he's town and doesn't know how to crumb well enough.

[Malakittens]

Here Mastin, here's the link. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=25151

From what I remember I was lynched and mislynched because I wasn't puttin effort in. Along with the fact I wasn't wantin to vote two people who turned out to be mafia in the end.

[Malakittens]

yeaaah, I don't like how slow mala's wagon is moving, makes me think she might actually be scum.
VOTE: mala

Okay, that's cool.

[Malakittens]

He's not a dayvig though? He's a regular night vig? I'm not sure where you are getting he's a "dayvig" from. I have seen a scumdayvig, I have seen towndayvigs, I have played townvig, but I have never seen a game with a scum vig other than my offsite. I'm sure it would play out differently, idk.

[Malakittens]

I would have to double check in regards to the role. All I know is there's a scum role for a vig that my offsite used, but I'm not even sure they picked it up from Mafiascum I think it was a EM role or something else.

He's on V/LA.

[Malakittens]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Variations

Only thing that is somewhat close to a vig for scum. For all we know it could be an SK pretending to be a x-shot vig?

This is too close to WIFOM for me. So I'm just going to stop here because I'm not sure how speculating on this is helpful.

[Malakittens]

Then stop trying to mud sling a slot.

I agree, speculation on PRs is trouble. That's why I hate dealing with claimed PRs, it's a huge can of worms.

Then why bring it up at all if you think it's trouble?

[Malakittens]

Wayne, pretty sure those aren't cop claims, they're clears for other reasons. Let's not get the claims out quite yet if players aren't ready unless you think you've got a "guyinfreezer is soooo PR" kind of vibe going on again.

It's not that. Mastin blatantly claimed Cop and then cleared Venrob. There was no reading between the lines. Muttley actually had 2 shots instead of the one he claimed and shot AJ last night. AJ is still alive, hence the bulletproof.

And yeah, lets kick scum butt and perhaps work on the friend thing in the process.

I don't see a reason for you to want to out AJ's role, tbf.

~

@NS: I'll get to your comment in a second.

[Malakittens]

Wayne, pretty sure those aren't cop claims, they're clears for other reasons. Let's not get the claims out quite yet if players aren't ready unless you think you've got a "guyinfreezer is soooo PR" kind of vibe going on again.

It's not that. Mastin blatantly claimed Cop and then cleared Venrob. There was no reading between the lines. Muttley actually had 2 shots instead of the one he claimed and shot AJ last night. AJ is still alive, hence the bulletproof.

And yeah, lets kick scum butt and perhaps work on the friend thing in the process.

I don't see a reason for you to want to out AJ's role, tbf.

~

@NS: I'll get to your comment in a second.

When and hiw rarely have you ever seen town BP? There's already been suspicion on the AJ slot and I see no reason to not make the result public for others to chew on.

I have seen them quite more often than anything else.

[Malakittens]

Please do point out to why it's different.

[Malakittens]

@Nacho:

Lately I been rolling a lot of scum games. My town game has been coming off scummy as hell. I end up going into LyLo and losing as town. I'm mislynch bait atm and I'm an easy lynch to push. Scum think they don't need to waste a NK on me because of this and town legitimately think "OHEY WE CAUGHT SCUM" Looks at the flip.. "Ohshit we were wrong".

[Malakittens]

I still think Bro, recently leaning scum on FTL again. I don't trust Ghostlin and I haven't figured you out.

I have a lot stronger town reads than I do scum reads.

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Mastin, Andy and AJ I am sure are solid town.
TF/Mac are high leaning town.

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Aj is solid town.

I want to see more of TF and more from Mac. They are high town leaning town. So very close to the solid town list.

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I'm giving effort, but this time it's not walls. Styles change, people change.

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Why is AJ town?

I'm going with Thezmon's read on him which I think them playing offsite he would know how to read him better than the rest of it. Along with the fact AJ's been chasing down me along with others. I do think he's solidly town.

Although I'm a bit clouded because I haven't played with scum-AJ, but it is what it is.

Spoiler:

I have seen town-AJ once and I'm not really seeing it, but I will need to take a closer look. So they were impatient and started w/o me on League. (fuck you andy </3)

This post should be pretty justifiable. Instead of jumping on the shit wagon that was TD, he decides to pursue his own reads. But if you have me as town (which I am going to assume you do), then you should let me deal with Aj. Right now, he's looking pretty town.

Of course, sometimes that read changes after flips have happened, but for the most part I have been accurate on D1 reads of him.

You mean this?

Current scum candidates: FTL, TD (for reasons described by 81 and 91)

Where are these reasons? I didn't see them. You also did not quote any posts numbered 81 or 91 in this post. Please elaborate immediately.

This is literally the only feasible post of your reasoning for nhammen being scum. So uhh... Reasons or I call bullshit.

Let me ask you something; did he elaborate? No. Mmkay then.

Looked to me like he was more concerned with the fact that there were a hell of a lot of posts that he had to read, such as the beginning of mollie's quoted (about Breaking Bad).

But humor me, then. How strong was your read on nhammen, and how much has Mala's entry skewed that?

Thez have you played with AJ scum before?

Have I played with AJ-scum before, hah. I taught him how to play scum. Or, well, I was one of his mentors when he first played scum.

Let me reiterate to you - we're from the same offsite. He's played about 2 years, and I've played about 3, approaching 4. Almost every game he's played on that site has been with me, or with me modding it. Granted, he's evolved over the years (as have I, and just about everyone else), but I still read him fairly well.

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Why is AJ town?

I'm going with Thezmon's read on him which I think them playing offsite he would know how to read him better than the rest of it. Along with the fact AJ's been chasing down me along with others. I do think he's solidly town

So, you

are

scum...

No. I think he's town because he's hunting whether or not he's on the wrong or right rack. He's hunting.

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I'm done replying to Mastin or Bro. They won't even knowledge that I might be a little town.

I haven't done just all AtE. I have given reads out if you like them or not, I have been hunting whether or not you disagree with it.

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@AJ

One more question, please. It may seem silly, but I really need to know why you chose the Rubix Cube as your long term Avi?

What does this have to do with the current game? ;_;

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I have also seen that catch scum. If they are town they will answer honestly, but if they are scum they will have to check.

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What does this have to do with the current game? ;_;

It's relevant.

I really don't.. see how....

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Yeah well I been around. >.>

So I'm going to claim since we have like 5 days and this wagon somewhat needs to die off me. If you do chose to lynch me then fine, but you are taking a PR with you.

I'm Elhaym Van Houten, Battle Mage of the Nisan Alliance. I'm a Town JK.

Night 1 I JK'd AJ.
Night 2 I JK'd Mac.

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AJ was not a scum read towards the end. Mac was not a high town read, but he wasn't a scum read towards the end of Day 2.

I chose AJ because I really, really thought he was going to be NK'd. Why he was hunting and I really didn't see scum intent towards the end. Plus he pushed Rach hard.

I chose Mac because SOS was trying to work with B&tB and I was wondering if that was part of the reason along with maybe accurate reads why the SoS hydra was killed. I thought Mac had a decent chance of dying.

I didn't pick NS because sorry NS about how rude this is going to sound, but you aren't playing an IC right. I don't see the way you are playing IC as NK worthy even if it means you are a confirmed town.

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@AJ:

Why do you notice that Ghost soft claimed cop, but not that FTL also soft claimed a type of role or flavor type cop?

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Whatever. Chose not to believe it your choice. Just seems like you disagree with the way I chose to use my role.

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if you jailkept me i shouldnt have been able to talk to trust fund, no?

Exactly why I asked when you used your actions on TF now had you said you neighborized him N2 then we would have had a problem since it means one of us is lying about our actions or I got RB'd. Since you did it during the Day and it resolved already you wouldn't have been blocked since it's a passive action or something. It's like theoretically saying I JK'd a mason for one night they don't lose their Night talk because they already have it. Does that make sense?

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To be fair I have my own reasons not to protect B&tB.

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....

Hey at least this time you didn't derp hammer a PR. I would have called you scum for that because there's no reason to hammer a pr w/o waiting for a claim if you are town, Despo.

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I'm Elhaym Van Houten, Battle Mage of the Nisan Alliance. I'm a Town JK.

Night 1 I JK'd AJ.
Night 2 I JK'd Mac

No JK on SoS
No JK on BnB
No JK on mastin
No JK on Muffin

This claim reeks.

I didn't think SoS was going to be killed N1, apparently I was wrong.
I didn't want to protect B&B. I guess you can argue I let something personal go in the way of my wincond.
At the time I didn't think Mastin was likely to get NK'd. Tonight he might be a good candidate, but I have someone else I want to protect if I live today.
Muffin isn't obv town to me.

Again you just disagree with the way I played my role.

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I got 5 mins before work. Bro basically you are disagreein with AJ. This same arguement applies to anyone more active than AJ. I didn't think Fery was going to die N1.

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....

Hey at least this time you didn't derp hammer a PR. I would have called you scum for that because there's no reason to hammer a pr w/o waiting for a claim if you are town, Despo.

???

Castle? Where you quick hammered huntress before waiting for her to claim or even post intent.

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Here's my reads and no guys my claim isn't a "fucking" piece of shit.

BRO I already asked the freaking question. I'm not going into a circle just because you don't understand the answer.

Full reads:

I'm just taking the playerlist because I don't feel like putting them into a set:

1. Aj The Epic - town
2. Andrius - town
4. BROseidon - Conflicted, gut says scum; evidence says town.
5. Desperado - Haven't decided.
6. Faster Than Light - Leaning scum. See Ghostlin read
7. Ghostlin - Town if FTL is scum, scum if FTL is town.
8. Mac - Town
9. mastin2 - Town
10. Nachomamma8 - Still null
12. Malakittens - Town <3
14. notscience, Midori Uzuki - This is a given
16. waynegg - probably town
18. TiphaineDeath - probably town
19. Trust Fund - Town
20. dopog - trustin' of Mastin's read on Venmar - town, gut says not sure. I want to see more from Dopoq.
21. zMuffinMan - Leaning Town

I do want to see things from Dopoq so if we could hold before we hammer me to see if he gets a few posts in that would be great.

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....

Hey at least this time you didn't derp hammer a PR. I would have called you scum for that because there's no reason to hammer a pr w/o waiting for a claim if you are town, Despo.

???

Castle? Where you quick hammered huntress before waiting for her to claim or even post intent.

Right, but what does that have to do with this game?

PS It's not a derp hammer if I'm scum. That hammer won us the game.

Personally I think scum just got lucky that game. The town self-destructed after Day 1. There shouldn't ever be a game where that many people get run up between Days 1&2.