Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Varsoon]

reads are bad bad bad, and if I had a go at it I would say that he is either bussing ftl (it is around that time)

It's this one.

Look at the way FTL calls out TD for voting him for weak reasons under pressure, but doesn't even bat an eye at Nick, who is doing

exactly that

.

Oh God... now the issue with Notscience and Rach living together...

No, Rach lives with NobodySpecial. She's saying she refers to notscience as Notty because NobSpec is commonly referred to as NS.

@895Be careful mollie, if you keep grasping at straws that hard, you'll break them, and then you won't be able to keep drinking whatever hard liquor you were drinking when you made that post. Can yall like talk about reads before the end of day one? Is there some reason why have to wait for the first night to talk?

Can we get some more votes on this scumbutt please? ^

@Nickthename: He didn't? Holy shit, you're right. I must've misread his 128, it's a lot more clear now that he's just pissed at how Venmar played his PGO claim. I've never hydra'd with metal sonic, but we've got several PMs sent between us trying to get in touch. Skype isn't letting our messages hit each other, and MS isn't responding to me in the MafiaChat, so I just PM'd him my facebook account, so I hope he'll get in touch with me through that. MS plays this sort of way in all of his games, which is why I hydra'd with him. I'm usually way more long-winded and I focus on individual posts a lot. MS is tangental and assess the game as a whole, his posts seeming disconnected from the post-by-post discussion. Also, I can never fucking read him, so I'd rather be on his side than not.

-V

Fairly certain this addresses Nick's concerns about my slot.

-V

[Varsoon]

especially because GiF always buddies me regardless of his alignment.

So what does this tell you?

In the context of the larger quote I was addressing, it felt like GiF was a bit on the fence about calling me scum or town, which confused me. GiF has been very straightforward in reading me in the past, so the indecision over if I was scum or not, and the fact it felt expressed that it could go either way made me way more skeptical about the SoS slot. The ruling in favor of scum seemed to be made in light of a town consensus on me, but had enough there that if GiF changed the read, it wouldn't be so jarring.

Spoiler:

This is how you properly use meta, you shitlords. See how I use my previous experience with GiF as a basis for springboarding into discussing my issues surrounding GiF's play here, but I

also

explain why GiF's current play in

this game

is questionable by itself? That's how you do it. You don't just say "X never does Y" or "X usually does Y" without giving context and analyzing how X is doing Y in the current game.

What does it tell me, though?
To be suspicious of the SoS slot and regard it with more scrutiny in the future.

-V

[Varsoon]

I think we found the two vig targets, at least. But christ, such a downgrade, especially for me with trying to garner some support for any of my scumspecs.

Really, at this point, I am completely prepared to get out of this day. I feel like we're losing focus and content. It would personally be better to get a lynch, get some information and then come back to this.

I think this may be a solid idea, if we have a vig.

Anyway, you're on the money. We need a lynch. I'm only going to vote on my scum-specs, and I've explained who they are and all that in my wall.
I think Andy's responses were too weak/AtE-esque to merit how many people fell off his wagon. All of my points on him stand, especially in light of the content he's posted since 1700.

Let's get our pools of lynch-candidates posted, and actually come to a consensus, yeah?

MyScum:
Andrius (I want this one most)
Trust Fund (Lots of info to get here, too)
nickthename (pretty low on my list, tbh)
thezmon (Same as nick--I don't want to lynch them without D2 info and a flip/NK to inform. Mac and Desperado fall in those places, too, but I definitely won't see them lynched D1.)


P-EDIT:
<3 you, MS.
Talk to me on FB soon.

@Muttley:
Are you scum?
Have you read my post 1700?
Who do you want to see as the D1 lynch?
How caught up are you?


-V

[Varsoon]

AJ who do you think we should lynch (a pool plox)

Gah, you ninja'd me!

Same to you, NS.

In fact,

Everyone, post your scum-pool.

[Varsoon]

Woah, Nick, hold the phone.
I know you read my wall-post, where I explained all my reads.
Mala's been more null since then. The whole not contributing thing? The same could be said of a certain person I'm actually voting for.

Metal Sonic's reading Mala as town.
I'll vote a cat, especially given howOpen 489 turned out. Also, my ban put a grinding halt to me posting cat pictures on these forums.
So, there's some primal force that's trying to turn me against cats right now.

Still, we're a damn hydra, and I'm not going to change my vote (one that both heads agree is scum) for one that one head thinks is iffy and the other is convinced is town.

And, you know what? Fuck it.
Posting cat pictures.
YOU CAN'T STOP ME, MAFIASCUM.

[Varsoon]

An accurate depiction of Mala on the Wagons , for your entertainment :



That's right, you've evoked the cats.
-V

[Varsoon]

@TF: Posting a pic of the other Chuu2 with the Myjolnir [(sp) would've been more appropriate.

[Varsoon]

@TF: Posting a pic of the other Chuu2 with the Myjolnir [(sp) would've been more appropriate.

This is how I feel about posting nearly-appropriate but not-quite images, TF.

[Varsoon]

Why so quickhammer? AJ was just prodded, we could've gotten more info out of himmmm

[Varsoon]

Also, varsoon, whatcha got?

HOPEFULLY I get to actually write a post today.

Like, seriously, I woke up and the day was already over last time.

Anyway, do you want the bad news or the good news?

[Varsoon]

Well, I used my investigate on Antihero (was planning to, plus Andrius made some good points for it) and the result that came back was Vanilla.

However, the more I think about it, it makes sense that I might get a Vanilla result on Antihero since now that his ability was used up he is essentially VT.

So, I don't really know what to make of it.

[Varsoon]

Well, the play here is actually having antihero tell us how the last part of his role is worded, and we compare it to mine.

This.
There's a difference between a PR with limited shots and a PR that changes how it functions if certain criteria are met.

[Varsoon]

why wayne over varsoon, by the way? that means whoever is scum knew varsoon wouldnt find anything new with his investigation, and i think thats too dangerous a game to play for scum. still thinking anti-hero is town.

also thinking nacho and andy are town, choices for me are between trust fund and varsoon.

You mean why Ghostlin AND Waynegg over me, right? I had results on D6, but the day ended before I could even get online to post.

This leads me to believe that scum aren't worried about my role, or, what's more worrying, is that they have a way of manipulating my results. It was fairly obvious that at the end of D5 that I was going to target Antihero, so I wouldn't put it past scum with a manipulative role to bastardize my results.

So, ultimately, scum either haven't lied about having a PR/not having one (my result doesn't matter anymore), or scum has a PR capable of influencing my results. This all plays to the idea that Wayne and Ghostlin were both more of a considerable threat than me.

It's fairly clear that scum has changed how they're killing. Before, the kills were mostly on unclaimed players, usually resulting in VT flips. The last few kills have all been on claimed PRs that are influential in the game. I feel like the central crux of this change came with the mass-claim and the notion that there was a lynchability thresh-hold. The fact that scum is killing people considered 'beyond' the thresh-hold for lynchability is unnerving.

I could probably WIFOM the intent of the kills for a long time, but I don't know--is anyone else seeing this?

[Varsoon]

man I had a fucked up dream where bork was on v/la and chesskid took over modding the game
he apparently did not know I was in the game and spoiled it for me bro was the last scum

anywho back in the land of REALITY

Why do you think there's only 1 scum left?

[Varsoon]

THE ONLY INNOCENTS ARE BODIES

ilu

[Varsoon]

It was my second investigate, so Night 3.

So far, my investigate has been...

Night 1 -- Investigate Nacho -- Result Vanilla.
Night 3 -- Investigate TF -- Result Non-Vanilla.
Night 5 -- Investigate Antihero -- Result Vanilla.

[Varsoon]

Then your guess is as good as mine.

[Varsoon]

Makes sense, but if we get down to me and two others in a 3 man lylo without having caught scum yet, mislynching me probably won't win us the game.

[Varsoon]

My major concern is if the game ends up with two/three of your green names alive in Lylo.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Andrius

Andy, if I get this right,
-If you're hammered by a townie, the townie dies.
-If you're hammered by a scum, then scum doesn't die.
-It does not work in MYLO or LYLO.

I vote that TF should be the one to deliver the hammer.
Why?
I think TF is scum, and that the current plan to hammer down the list and how the results will turn out seems to be pushed really hard by TF as well.
I also believe that Nacho is town, and that having Nacho around longer rather than for less time will benefit us a lot more.


Anyway, My vote puts Andy at L-3, I believe.

[Varsoon]

well, i don't know. It was already gone when I got the role.

Ask Bork.
Additionally, ask him whether your results were "Mac is town, TD is town" or "Your investigation was innocent".

Please, this.
It would help my paranoia.

[Varsoon]

Investigated Mac last night, got Non-vanilla, not that it matters that much.

VOTE: TF
I don't think Nacho is scum.
TF, what happened to lynching you as a part of your plan?

[Varsoon]

TF, what happened to lynching you as a part of your plan?

I refuse to believe you're actually this dumb. Like the post literally right above this post by me notes that it has to be nacho, because plan calls for lynching nacho then lynching me.

I thought that you were retracting that by offering me as a substitute to the Nacho lynch.

[Varsoon]

If there's two scum left and Nacho's town, then we probably lose tonight.

VOTE: Nacho

TF, I'm going to trust you on this, but if Nacho flips town and you live through the night, you better not try to wriggle out of this.

[Varsoon]

Shit, sorry.
We've still got twilight, to be fair.

[Varsoon]

The longer I thought about Nacho the more paranoid I got about it.
That, and what TF said.

[Varsoon]

Heya, just logged in and found out that I won Meme Mafia II in lylo as town. Here's to hoping I can garner another two town lylo wins in one day.

Anti, I don't like your AtE's and general coasting up to this point, but I also understand the stress of Lylo and the fact you're busy modding and doing other things off-site.

TF, I think you're scum. I've thought you were scum for awhile now. Every scum so far that's been a PR has had a one-shot ability, so your PR as you've described it even matches suit. What's scummiest about you, though, is that you convinced town to roll with a plan that'd lynch down a list of townies, while keeping 'confirmed' town alive. In reality, you were hoping to get to lylo in exactly this sort of situation, with one 'unconfirmed' townie that you could put a lot of pressure on and one 'confirmed' townie that you've been appealing to for the last few days.

The fact that your plan called for a lynch on you up until this point was probably why no one was quick to call you on it, but now that you're in Lylo, suddenly the lynch process switches to the one other guy who isn't you?

You're squirming, and it was noticeable as we were in Twilight on the last day, because you started to shift a good bit, scrambling up ways to put me on the chopping block. You were even really thrown off when Nacho was lynched so fast, mostly because you wanted to use more of that day to set up for the lylo that you knew you'd be in.

I don't have to make a case for myself as town, because I'm town. All I need to do is further push my case on you, which I've been sitting on for the whole of this game. If Anti is scum, I'm damned, but I don't think that's the case. In fact, I know how calculating you are, Cabd. I'm willing to bet that you purposefully made sure Anti and I were in LyLo together because you know I have my doubts about his slot. It's the perfect setup to lead a mislynch.

I've said my piece. TF's scum, and the lynch-down-the-list was a clever strategy to win as the last scum alive.
My vote is cast. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, town.
VOTE: TF

[Varsoon]

Antihero please confirm yourself as town by seeing that vote and not hammering me.

Keep appealing to the only person who can let you win this.
Of course he's town, you're scum and we're in Lylo. The fact that you wrote this is giving up that conceit.
Furthermore, this post of yours is exactly what I'm talking about. You made sure we were in lylo with one 'confirmed' townie and one who wasn't.
This post is trying to convince Anti not to vote you in a way that appeals to his town sensibilities. It's a clever tactic, but you're caught.

[Varsoon]

well, actually i take back what i said before. we have no way of verifying TF's claim

FURTHERMORE, varsoon got a non-VT result on TF, which, in hindsight, we kind of should have pursued further at the time...

did TF claim before or after Broseidon was a claimed VT?

I think it's really awkward that TF is pushing me as scum, when there's no way that I could've done my investigates every other night and delivered a night kill if I was the only scum alive. Usually, you can only do one night action or the other, right?

Anyway, as for TF's claim, he starts around post 2478.
I believe it's before BRO claims VT, but TF is -really- vague about it, doesn't mention it being a vanilla-shot for awhile, and implicates BRO as scum for not receiving anything.

[Varsoon]

TF also tried to set up his initial claim as a lie/gambit.
He also got upset when I investigated him instead of BRO, claiming that an investigate on BRO would have cleared him, when the reality was that it wouldn't have.

[Varsoon]

My now used up role was a oneshot night role remover that would ONLY work if the player was scum. It would strip their ability to NK, and any other power role they might have. Should my role target town, it will fail. The shot WAS used up, so it wasn't blocked. If it was re-directed obviously nobody is gonna claim their PR was removed, and the re-direction target was likely town anyways.


TL;DR bro leans town now.

Why have we been acting like TF was a one-shot vanilla-izer?

His role seems a bit more nuanced than that.

Also, speaking of, this further complicates what TF said about an investigate on BRO being able to clear him.

[Varsoon]

Ugh, the wording of that claim makes it reek of town utility.
If anything, it looks like TF was trying to either push a mislynch or 'confirm' town with it, while covering his own ass by claiming an ability that only has town utility.
We probably started acting like he was a vanilla-izer instead because that's null, rather than town-biased. The fact TF didn't correct us then is kinda awkward.

I think the only outed PR on D1 was Notscience as Innochild.
I think there were a couple soft-claims, like with Andrius.

[Varsoon]

/ugh

TF's claimed action makes sense and was protown. the only problem is that i have no way of actually knowing if he is who he says he is...

I've been trying to figure that out all game. That's why he was one of my earliest investigates. All I can tell you is that he isn't vanilla.

I think that's the point of the play, though. To claim a really sensible pro-town action. TF's been doing that kind of thing all game, currying town favor. It's really suspicious, since it's exactly that kind of play that's kept him from getting lynched and even proposed a thoughtless 'lynch-down-the-list' tactic.

[Varsoon]

oh, so it's a one-shot vanillaizer that only works on scum, eh?

that's an interesting counterbalance to andy's role...

Yes. I tried to trick a scumclaim out of BRO given ffery's read of him by claiming my ability only worked on town instead. But it ended up just wasting my shot since he was VT.

Then how would an investigate of BRO clear you?

Also, that's the brilliance of your lynch-down-the-list plan. You established yourself as someone who would die early on it, but now we're in lylo and you're not dead and all your plan has done is stunt scum-hunting and force a lylo situation, which gives scum a lot higher chance of survival. If TD hadn't voted that way, I'm sure you'd find some other means of squirming out of being the lynch.
It was your best chance at a win.

[Varsoon]

TF, that's pretty dirty. I could point to plenty of other players who've had you as scum, but the fact that you deferred specifically to Mollie/Majiffy (who's scum list has all been town so far barring AJ) and you're trying to misrep Mastin as calling me scum despite me being nowhere near his scum-list?

Also, you're trying to use my result on Anti as evidence against me? I was just reporting on the result I got. Furthermore, it makes plenty of sense that my investigate could have been tampered with or that Anti counts as Vanilla now. Did we ever actually get a post that confirmed it was worded the same, or are you making that up, too?

Honestly, the only good thing so far is the post you make about your play speaking for itself.
Anti should look at both of our ISOs and make the decision himself. I think it's clear that you're scum this game, and I've been lobbying for your lynch for awhile now. In fact, why wouldn't you just hammer Andy when I proposed it if you were innocent?
You've always tried to squirm out of things,
So keep squirming to the end, TF, but I've already caught you. I've already won my game. Check mate.

[Varsoon]

What I'm saying is that coupling both of those posts indicates that those two players had me as scum, when the reality is that Mastin was reading me as town (as far as I can remember) and that majiffy/mollie was always skeptical of me and was wrong on most of those reads. The way you presented the info struck me as underhanded, because it ignores posts like:

[9] TiphaineDeath (Venmar, zMuffinMan, nickthename, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mac, Ghostlin, Faster Than Light, Trust Fund, [nhammen/Malakittens])

For the record, people seem to forget that nhammen supported this wagon but critically, avoided joining it.

And since it's been brought up:
Venmar, BeautyAndTheBeast, Ghostlin, and FTL (in no particular order) are definitely not scum, with Trust Fund and zMuffinMan both similarly being eliminated.

That leaves {nick, Mac, nhammen/Malakittens} left. If there's scum on the wagon, it's in those names. (Which, again, is a good piece of evidence for lynching Malakittens.)

I am tired of talking about the gambit thing, I think it is based on flawed logic and won't yield good results and I am even slightly scum reading varsoon for pushing it cos he keeps providing excuses for nicky is a definite ewww. people are not assholes just cos they don't want to tie up the game with your antics. trust and confidence have to be earned and you most definitely don't have it and should probably be sus of the people who are automatically giving it to you, especially since I think mala is town telling.

Mastin had me as a set-in-stone townread, and Mollie/Majiffy had me as a slight scum read due to my gambit, and stalling their Nick wagon because I thought Mala was scum.

[Varsoon]

The reads list I quoted from mastin was after the post you just quoted, he has you as tier two town, me as borderline tier one town. Show me where in my quote he calls you scum.

That's my point exactly. You chose to use two posts that establish a pecking order between me and you, with you as 'more town' and me as 'less town' or even scum in the case of B&B's list.

[Varsoon]

I used their most recent reads lists like I was asked for. Mastin's post that I quoted CLEARLY explained both mine and yours placement on his reads list. You're attacking me answering questions as scummy, and not my actual play the past 8 days.

Except that Anti never asked for most recent reads lists.
In fact, Anti didn't as for anything in regards to Mastin, but merely stated

well danm

who am i going to blamef if i end upl misshammering?

mastin seemed pretty adamant that varsoon was town, thoguh

This is your play

right now

, and I'm criticizing it. I've been criticizing your play all game, too.

Spoiler:

This game is moving so fast.
Anyway, pressure away, but it's pretty transparent when you say it's pressure. Not that it isn't useful, just transparent.


@SashaTrustFund: Of course you do, you fence-sitting coward.

-V

I have returned.
To get muffinman on the same page as me/Metal Sonic, here's how it is:
I believe TD is scum.
-The speed of his wagon might be scummy in itself, but now town has wagon analysis to use, so it ultimately led town out of RVS.
-His response to pressure was to flail and disengage. I don't like this.
-He's been largely absent from the thread and it feels like he's treading lightly. He hasn't made any dangerous plays, which speaks to Scum-TD more than town-TD for me. An innocent man doesn't hold his hand so close to his chest or start to sweat when he's put on the chopping block. He plays the game.

Metal Sonic is keeping OUR vote there because he trusts my judgment and we haven't gotten to talk extensively in a hydra chat/Skype yet. He's clearly a bit conflicted about it, and is reading TD as townier than I am, but it is what it is.

On that note, catching up with the thread:
Venmar's inarticulate push of the TD wagon denies town info and time and feels -wrong-.
Nacho came in. Nacho, when you've got some time, I want to talk.
Replacements, please post. Nacho's catchup is a good model for this. I will hold you accountable for catching up. Nothing annoys me more than parroty-shitty-town that hasn't caught up. It annoyed me in 512 when I was scum, and it annoys me here, too.
TrustFund, I don't like your approach of 'townreading' people. It's an easy-peasy scum tactic. I want you to elaborate on your scum reads and give post-analysis for why those slots are scum. Your play so far makes me sour.
Everyone who thinks Varsoon who is logical is Varsoon who is scum clearly needs to refresh their notions of how I play. Look at games since Xenoblade, or, y'know, look at my play solely in this game and stop relying on something so flimsy as meta. If you have learned anything in playing with me, you've learned I can control my rhetoric and that I review my posts before hitting enter in just about every game.

I still support my TD vote.
I'll talk to MS about it, P-Edit shows he's still conflicted.

-V

If you tell a lie often enough, does it become truth?

If you say that you're Town often enough, does that make you Town?

EVERYONE IN TOWN, WATCH THIS CLIP:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber ... -questions

COMPARE IT TO WHAT SKULL JUST DID. AND THEN CONSIDER THAT MALA JUST SAID SHE SUPPORTED THIS VOTE.

I can't stand Mala & TF in this game, so, yeah.
Also <3 that clip.
It's 3.35 AM here, but I still can't get in touch with MS.
Going to sleep.

-V

You used to read me so well, so it's unsettling now. I know, things've changed.
I changed. People didn't like how I played before. They lynched it. It sucked.
I'm not incriminating you, just trying to wrap my head around your indecisiveness. It's not what I'm used to.
As far as my 1111 goes, I got pissed. I feel like I've made some good points in this game, and when players like TD, Mala, and TrustFund all actively ignore and treat me like crap, well, it's not cool.

I feel like my hands are tied with Metal Sonic. I need to talk to him so I can really push my scum candidates into the ground. I don't want to take the helm when he's not here, especially because when I do that sort of thing, it tends to get me lynched. I wouldn't care so much if it were just me, but MS is in this slot, too.

Thanks for chatting with me on this, though. It's nice to get to discuss something with another player for once instead of type things and hope someone will care/it'll have an effect.

-V

someone unvote skullduggery so he doesn't get lynched before mastin is able to post

Yes because 2 votes out of 11 is really close to bein lynched.

someone unvote skullduggery so he doesn't get lynched before mastin is able to post

Lol, skull has two votes on 'm.



-V

[2] Skullduggery (Ghostlin, Nachomamma8)

He's not even close to a lynch, Muffin...?

Hahah, this hivemind.

Back to writing the Iliad.

P-EDIT:
TrustFund, you're such a shit. There's nothing indicating that's a joke, unless the disparity from the truth is what you're picking up on, but that incongruity is funny in itself, not so much because MuffinMan was making conscious use of it. You probably think republicans were joking about their stances on rape, weren't you?

-V

TRUST FUND : 178 POSTS : SCUM
WHY:

Trust Fund’s contributions to the game are high-noise and low content, often sheeping out popular and pushable wagons such as Mastin, Skull, and me. Post 1077 really epitomizes this, as the kill list goes for days on people who town is iffy about/has a current scummy read on. TF doesn’t broker wagons or even do significant scum hunting, but just sits in the thread, gut reacts to posts, and passes off reads that magically change and come out of nowhere when it’s convenient to the hydra to have someone in the scum or town slot. MS agrees on the points about insubstantial and loud contributions and posits that TF has a lot of fluff and he has no clue who Sasha is.
MS edit: I later realize that sasha is cabd
If that is the case then cabd has lots of explaining to do(because this is poor considering my high expectations from him)
Vars Edit: I think Sasha is supposed to be Syrana?

@Desperado: I think it's a bit difficult to explain why Nacho is wrong, no offense.

@NS: What are your thoughts on the TrustFund hydra? Also, do you support our vote on Nick?

@SoS: I think most of what bugs me about TrustFund is in game approach and representation/engagement.

-V

HEY VARSOON LOOK AT CABD'S REACTION TEST.

IT'S A REALLY GOOD REACTION TEST.

YOU SHOULD DO THEM MORE LIKE THAT.

I DID A FEW GOOD ONES RECENTLY I SWEAR.

I MEAN REAL GOOD ONES NOT JUST ONES THAT GET PEOPLE MODKILLED.

Anyway, the FTL is back, and, of course, I can't rely on MS to do crap while I'm not here.

SO! Andrius, Nick, and TF are all still on my list of people I don't like.
To be honest, TF's plays today are a bit better if he's town, but absolutely despicable if he's scum. Of course, I'm reading this from the angle of him and BRO being town and Nick trying to set up a 1v1 town between them. I could WIFOM it for days, though, so I'll leave this where it is now.
I'm probably only going to settle on a wagon between Andy and Nick, but I need to talk to MS before making a play he doesn't agree with (YOU SEE MS, COMMUNICATION! COMM UNI CATION!)
I got ice-cream to celebrate us catching scum, though! It was vanilla, which I'm starting to like less and less nowadays. Maybe I'll get something more flavorful next time.

-V

hi this is MS sorry I havent been posting very busy these days

I don't agree with mala wagon because mala is cute <3

btw vars, andy lynch is bad i think he is town because rach flipped scum

nick is a great lynch though!


Happy birthday bork!


I also think that TF's gambit is bullshit/bad

mutley <3 ns <3 i love tip and orc too

sorry saki I've never played played with you before!

ok thats about all i read up till here

Day 1 ended at 2465 posts.
There are currently 1091 posts in D2.
D1, TF had 202 posts. This is an average of about 8% of the posts made that day.
D2, TF has 43 posts. This is an average of about 4% of the posts made so far today.
The game has 21 players. Day one, average input, ideally, would be about 118 posts, or 4.7%.
Day two, average input, ideally, would be about 61 posts, or 5.5%.

Yeah, that's half as many posts from the slot on average (in relation to posts total in the day), and a significant dip in relation to average posts of the game.
TF's done a reaction sort of test, had a garbage Nick vote, and has had solid content across posts for the day.
That's more than other absentees have done.

-V

Of course, this doesn't make TF town. If anything, the loss of steam after a scum PR is lynched, coupled with the opportunism and PR-claim-that-could-be-scum makes me put TF further and further down the scum ladder.


-V

"Completely makes a player Vanilla except FACTIONAL ABILITY, teehee, forgot that part, because lol it's definitely a TOWN PR and not a scum one, silly me~"

-TF

Hahaha, see, now, that's funny.

End of D2, MS was scum-reading Nick and I was pulling back from that read due to the way his wagon was operating. I'm a bit understanding of BRO--without B&B's flip, I'd probably be pushing/pressuring B&B today.

Instead of providing a sweeping generalization, explain why each of my scum reads and lean-scum reads suck. Give me where you stand on those players, and why pressuring/lynching them wouldn't be a good thing for town.

You wanna ball? Get on the court. I don't need comments from some peanut gallery.


P-EDIT:
@TF: Yeah, sure, write off my questions and points as a pissing match and LOLGAMBITRY. I've had about 3 posts in D3 so far, and I don't think a single one has anything to do with so-called 'shitgambits'.
So, when did you decide to start doing this 'ignore players who are very much a part of the game' strategy? It sounds like this began mid-way through D2, rather than something you're choosing to do right now.
And, if you didn't catch the fucking Nick flip, that's exactly what leads to the kinds of mislynches that scum wants.


P-P-EDIT:
I'm glad you can see what I'm talking about.

-V

voting cop-confirmed town is silly at the best of times but I'm going to out my claim now.

the reason i asked is I tracked you to trust fund last night and I was hoping the story matched the result. it does, but we have two cops claimed? not gonna lie, this sounds like a fake claim especally given that you visited someone who had already claimed they were not vanilla.

This is the most awkward shift to voting me, especially since

I've got crumbs and soft-claims since D1.
My play matches up. Why would I be so belligerent about having Nacho be a part of my gambit otherwise? At that point, I knew he wasn't a PR. I was originally going to VanillaCop Nick as well, then realized my ability was non-consecutive and that it didn't much matter since no one wanted to go with my gambit. I originally investigated Nacho because I was paranoid about his play and I would be especially worried if he was an unclaimed PR that everyone was town-reading. Instead, it's the opposite--he's a claimed non-PR that a lot of people have as scum.

I investigated Trust Fund on N3 because I'm really suspicious of the slot. After his earlier claim, I started to wonder if that claim was a lie in order to seem town. I wanted to verify that TF was actually a PR, and if he wasn't, I was going to drill them today. I've been suspicious of the slot for awhile, and I still am, but I don't really have PR-based evidence to make a case so much as I have interaction and speculation based on play so far.

I'm non-consecutive, so I can't really confirm my role further than this until D6.

Antihero, can you cop every night? Are you an alignment cop as I assume or is there anything different/unique about your cop-powers?

-V

maybe TF + Andy is the scum

yes that look possible from the back-and-forth just the page before

also it is cool that the scum love shooting VTs isnt that great

This.
I mentioned this before.
Maybe people will listen to me now?


Still think that TF is scum.


-V

maybe Metal Sonic and I have different reads

You quoted him and said yeah you're probably right. Now you disown Sonic's reads?

Also my entire response to the rest is: see syr's post.

Muffin was really obviously scum mason hunting. Speaking of other mason still needs to step forward.

maybe TF + Andy is the scum

yes that look possible from the back-and-forth just the page before

also it is cool that the scum love shooting VTs isnt that great

This.
I mentioned this before.
Maybe people will listen to me now?


Still think that TF is scum.


-V

Hold on, what was that?

You quoted him and said

yeah you're probably right.

maybe TF + Andy is the scum

yes that look possible from the back-and-forth just the page before

also it is cool that the scum love shooting VTs isnt that great

This.
I mentioned this before.
Maybe people will listen to me now?

Still think that TF is scum.

-V

Not seeing it, TF.
Also, when I'm talking about 'This' and 'I mentioned this before', I'm speaking towards Metal Sonic's like that 'scum love shooting VTs isnt that great'.
If I was speaking towards the first line about a scum-team between you and Andrius, then my last sentence doesn't make much fucking sense (outside of needless repetition), does it?

It's okay, demonstrative pronouns are hard.

Speaking of teams, it makes a lot more sense for there to be a BRO/TF team considering earlier interaction. Still, no matter what, TF is the root of all evils that I can trace, so I want that slot figured out before anything else.

On the real, why does the other Mason need to step forth?

-V

varsoon where are you I miss you

how do you feel about lynching nacho?

I'm against it.
Metal Sonic trusts you and is all for it.
I trust you and I am suspicious of the slot but hesitant to vote it over my highest scum-suspects. I don't know if scum nacho has the gall to say shit like "I'm gonna coast on my conf-town status". He refused to claim as a part of my gambit, and I don't know if that was because he didn't want to out himself as VT or if he was starting to suspect I could really divine his alignment via shenanigans. After I outed him as Vanilla, he claimed it, but that was under substantial pressure from more than just me.

How do you feel about lynching nacho?


I feel really uncomfortable about all of D5. TF's touting some power play, Antihero's being called into question by Waynegg and BROseidon, etc etc.
Gonna spend some time in some ISOs when I have the time to spend.

-V

Who do I investigate, though?
Guess I'll figure it out.
Fairly certain the last of the scum is between Desp, Bro, TF, Andy.

-V

@TrustFund:

Or, and here's the bizarre thing, maybe Metal Sonic and I have different reads?
Of course we're going to write different things.
It's captivating to see the ways you're trying to spin it to be anything but that.

@Desperado:

Dude, I don't get your angle. Why are you piling on points for me being scum but voting for BRO instead?
Also, what are your points again? That I mentioned the density of claimed PRs versus the nightkill trends and that FTL has hydra dissonance?


I feel like zMuffin was either killed out of panic because he was right (remaining scum is in the pool of BRO, DESP, NACHO) or as a red herring.

Here's my (Varsoon's, that is) current reads:
Andrius - Town
BROseidon - Null-lean-town (Depends on TF flip, tbh)
Desperado - Scum
Ghostlin - Town
Mac - Town
Nachomamma8 - Town
waynegg - Town
TiphaineDeath - Town
Trust Fund - Scum (Panicked when I started calling him out on it, even got his hydra mate to come 'deal with the situation'.)
Antihero - Town (still gut-reading as scum, but logic says otherwise)


VOTE: Trust Fund

VOTE: Andrius

Andy, if I get this right,
-If you're hammered by a townie, the townie dies.
-If you're hammered by a scum, then scum doesn't die.
-It does not work in MYLO or LYLO.

I vote that TF should be the one to deliver the hammer.
Why?
I think TF is scum, and that the current plan to hammer down the list and how the results will turn out seems to be pushed really hard by TF as well.
I also believe that Nacho is town, and that having Nacho around longer rather than for less time will benefit us a lot more.


Anyway, My vote puts Andy at L-3, I believe.

It's not as if me thinking you are scum is some new thing that's suddenly come out of the fact we're in lylo together. I've held you as scum for most of this game. Metal Sonic's been skeptical, but I've been firmly standing by this for a long time. The only times that I ever wavered were when you went out of your way to convince me otherwise, or when the wagon on you wasn't getting any traction and I swapped my scum-hunting elsewhere.

[Varsoon]

Then again, maybe I should revisit my theory in 1700 that Bork is scum...

[Varsoon]

Checking something with bork, antihero, might be able to prove something to you and make this easy mode.

Figures you'll try to make some power play in Lylo by appealing to different authorities.

TF, I'm going to trust you on this, but if Nacho flips town and you live through the night, you better not try to wriggle out of this.

nacho's flipping town
lynch tf tomorrow

cabd's gonna wiggle wiggle wiggle
lynch him

Wiggle,wiggle,wiggle~

[Varsoon]

Anti, I'm town this game. That sentence alone should be enough.


TF, you using PR-related play and deferring to what the mod says is exactly what appealing to authority is. I teach a college class in rhetoric, I'm fairly certain that I have the capacity to pick up on the kind of appeals you're making.

Furthermore, you making an argument that your PR couldn't be scum-related because your claim wasn't investigative/rolehunty is pretty flimsy. Here's why:
1. We have no way of confirming your claim, which means you could be an investigative PR and we don't know it.
2. If I was scum with this investigation power, why would I out myself immediately, and share all of my investigates with town? If I was lying about my Antihero investigate, why would I introduce doubt about it damning his slot instead of, you know, just damning his slot? Furthermore, you seem to have forgotten that I've been using my power for last couple of nights, where there have clearly been night kills. In every game I've been in, an active PR can't do both a night-kill and an investigate.
3. You're relying on setup speculation in order to appeal to logic and get Anti to vote for me, instead of actually making a case against me. It's fairly scummy, since it's -speculation- on the setup, rather than a case for me being scum.

C'mon, wiggle more, TF.
It's cute.

[Varsoon]

EBWOP: an active PR can't do both a night-kill and use their ability, in my case, an investigate.

[Varsoon]

I've been telling the truth about my PR and my abilities since I claimed. Furthermore, I've shared my investigations with town every single time I used my power. I never used my ability to damn anyone's slot, moreover, I've been critical about my results and often tried to interpret the best way to use them and garner information from them. It didn't always work (see my 'gambit' with Nacho/Nick), but that doesn't mean I haven't tried to help town at every turn. I like to think that my scum-hunting has helped capture a good deal of the scum team, and if I recall, I was the outspoken force behind the Mala lynch and the AJ lynch.

You, TF, on the other hand, have lied about your PR, allowed players to talk about your PR in ways that weren't reflective of your claim, and you've pushed plenty of mislynches this game. You've been trying to undermine me and misrepresent me in this final day, and, failing that, you've tried to use speculation on the setup as well. I've exposed the weakness and artifice in all of your arguments. I'm Charles Barkely, and I've thrown the winning shot for town. All I need is for Anti to get on the court and slam it in the goal.

[Varsoon]

Oh, so I'm not allowed to ever claim town ever again in any game ever?

[Varsoon]

You keep scrambling for new things to 'catch' me on, rather than defending yourself against my criticism.
Wriggle, wriggle.

[Varsoon]

Wriggle, Wriggle~

[Varsoon]

Yeah, I voiced concerns about a lynch-down-the-list plan from the onset, and expressed that I'd defend myself from a mislynch should we be Lylo.
Now that we're in lylo, I'm expressing further criticism of the failure of your lynch-down-the-list plan and defending myself.


Honestly, I don't know what else we can do. We've laid out our cases, made our appeals, and at this point we're just regurgitating old conflicts and other people's posts.

One new thing I will comment on is that I think it's really awkward that you didn't crossvote me, TF, especially after Anti didn't hammer you right away. I put my vote down to reflect my conviction, but why haven't you? Do you just want to be the person who holds the hammer should Anti vote me? I don't know how alignment-related this is, but I'd like to know for the sake of knowing.

[Varsoon]

I've been telling the truth about my PR and my abilities since I claimed. Furthermore, I've shared my investigations with town every single time I used my power. I never used my ability to damn anyone's slot, moreover, I've been critical about my results and often tried to interpret the best way to use them and garner information from them. It didn't always work (see my 'gambit' with Nacho/Nick), but that doesn't mean I haven't tried to help town at every turn.

Mac tracked me in hopes to catch me lying about a night action (voiced suspicion of my slot/PR as well), but, if anything, Mac's track of me reinforces the above. I've been investigating with my power every odd numbered night, and sharing my investigations with town.

Also, we've been over how my PR fits into the town setup already.

Logically, I have to stand with BRO and say that I could see town having two weak cop roles when scum's confirmed to have a passive role-giver and a redirect/roleblocker. It'd make even more sense if AJ was godfather/some role that couldn't be targeted at night.

2shot cop
and vanilla cop
is weird as hell
with an INNO and MASONS

Except for the fact that scum have flipped 1 strong PR and 1 PR that may have been strong as well.

There could only be 2 masons. I haven't bothered looking for crumbs and don't really care to at this point.

IC is only somewhat powerful, and very hard to play optimally.

Both claimed investigative PRs are heavily gated (cop gets vanillaized if he doesn't catch scum, vanilla cop is weak already and then further gated by being non-consecutive).

[Varsoon]

Actually, holy shit, in retrospect, AJ was a conditional Godfather. I'm so damn good.

P-EDIT:
@Anti: We've got no way of confirming that, though. Furthermore, could it be that it was an ability that could have recruited the traitor instead of vanillaizer? Is there anything like that in the game? It'd make a lot of sense given how coy TF was being about the reveal of what action he took on BRO. If scum was informed that there was a traitor in-game, don't you think scum would have some way of recruiting them/would make a play like, "Hey I targeted you with something that'll only work on scum. Did it work?"

[Varsoon]

Because TF could use a failed recruit as a way of 'confirming' a townie and making his own PR look more town?

[Varsoon]

It'd make sense if it was a one-shot, TF.

Logically, it's arguable, but in my experience, scum tend to use their one-shot powers early on so they aren't squandered in the case of being lynched before they can be used. If TF had reason to believe that BRO was his traitor, why not go for it?
By the same logic, why did Venmar use both of his cop shots right away instead of holding onto them longer?
People like getting the most out of their roles when they're alive, I suppose.

Anyway, I digress. We're speculating over hypothetical setups. The reality is that either TF or I am scum, or Anti isn't playing to his wincon by drawing this out (highly doubt it, but I might do that one day, just to torture some poor soul). I've made my case for TF scum and anything else I type is reiteration or hypothetical pondering at this point. I feel the same goes for TF.

[Varsoon]

Speaking of AJ and hypothetical/logical play...
When AJ claimed he knew there was a traitor in the setup, I pushed for his lynch until I got it, believing he was the traitor. If I was scum, wouldn't it make more sense for me to play along with what he said, mislynch other people while 'hunting' for the traitor, and have a member of the scum-team recruit AJ?

P-EDIT:
@Anti: Yeah, it'd probably be one of the most vile acts of villainy ever.
@TF: Same argument could be made if it was a recruiting power. You thought he was scummy in play (genuinely), didn't think you'd live long, and wanted to get it out of the way.

[Varsoon]

Hahaha, I'm sure I'd spin it some way. Maybe fake-claim bulletproof and say I soaked the shot that night or something.


@TF: Guess that's an argument that could be made, although I don't see why scum would bus at all after the early deaths on their team. Maybe if the lynch was inevitable, but in the case of me and AJ, I pushed the wagon, I wasn't just on it.

[Varsoon]

11 days later, Antihero reveals that it was a ruse, and he was scum all along.
11 days and 10 hours later, Bork reveals that it was a ruse, and we're all town.

[Varsoon]

Votecount 9.3

[1] Trust Fund (

Varsoon

)
[1]

Varsoon

(Trust Fund)

[1] Not Voting (Antihero)

With 3 alive, it is 2 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-08 08:00:00)

Last edited by Trust Fund on Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:13 pm, edited 4 times in total

Hold the phone, TF

[Varsoon]

Bork, that's adorable

It doesn't matter who gets hammered now, we all win

[Varsoon]

That's a little cynical, don't'cha think?

I might not care, but there's a lot of dead townies that wouldn't want me to throw in the towel. I'm playing on their behalf too, yo. We're in this together.

[Varsoon]

It doesn't matter who gets hammered now, we all win

Ok he doesn't care but I do. So you can hammer him and we can celebrate the scum win with batman decorated cupcakes.

TF, I think you're too excited for those cupcakes.

[Varsoon]

I guess you can call me Varsoon, since Metal Sonic got banned from the hydra awhile ago.

Poor Metal Sonic, I miss him.

Cabd, my role PM says I'm part of the Nisan Alliance. We don't need to do naked battle in fourth dimensional space to figure out what's what.

P-EDIT:
Hey! Hey! If you get to link games, so do I!
Here's my play in the last couple of MyLo's/Lylo's I've been in:
Shitty Joke Smalltown, scum win
Meme Mafia II, town win
3p LyLo, scum win, town losses

[Varsoon]

I guess I had a town win in 3p LyLo as well, huh. It's been awhile since that one.

[Varsoon]

Hey-hey, you're not VT this game, though!

And, pfft, that might be the case. I've been warming up to more use of meta since I've been on the site longer, but I still think people are capable of anything, regardless of how they've played in the past. A good player will use it to his advantage, I figure, regardless of alignment.

[Varsoon]

Never claimed that, merely speculated that one of the reasons I might've gotten VT on Anti is due to the nature of him 'losing' his power after two town-shots, rather than it being a typical X-shot power. Other reasons could be that I was redirected, Anti was vanilla-ized, etc.

My power works as follows:
I select a player.
I PM Bork to let him know which player I selected.
If my action was a success (wasn't roleblocked, etc), then Bork PMs me back telling me if the player is either 'Vanilla' or 'Non-Vanilla'. If it's not a success, I imagine I get a no-result.
The role PM defines 'Vanilla' as having no abilities outside of factional ones.
I also can't use this ability on consecutive nights. (embarrassingly enough, I didn't realize/notice this until D2.)

When I investigated Antihero on N5, I got 'Vanilla' as my result.

Goons and VT are treated the same, which was why my Vanilla result on Nacho didn't clear his alignment.

[Varsoon]

For flavor, my ability is called 'Veteran Appraisal', which fits, seeing as Jesiah was an old special ops vet.

[Varsoon]

So you got a VT result on antihero, right?

so, in response to this, I actually did not get a 'VT' result (my earlier post says VT, guess I wrote this since you phrased it that way).
I got a 'Vanilla' result.


P-EDIT:
Every scum PR so far has had an ability coupled with a one-shot. So, even in the situation where my result gives me Vanilla on players who have used up all of their shots, it'd still makes sense that I'd get Non-Vanilla on you.
We went over this earlier today.

Wiggle, wiggle~

[Varsoon]

TF, I think you're scum. I've thought you were scum for awhile now. Every scum so far that's been a PR has had a one-shot ability, so your PR as you've described it even matches suit. What's scummiest about you, though, is that you convinced town to roll with a plan that'd lynch down a list of townies, while keeping 'confirmed' town alive. In reality, you were hoping to get to lylo in exactly this sort of situation, with one 'unconfirmed' townie that you could put a lot of pressure on and one 'confirmed' townie that you've been appealing to for the last few days.

The fact that your plan called for a lynch on you up until this point was probably why no one was quick to call you on it, but now that you're in Lylo, suddenly the lynch process switches to the one other guy who isn't you?

You're squirming, and it was noticeable as we were in Twilight on the last day, because you started to shift a good bit, scrambling up ways to put me on the chopping block. You were even really thrown off when Nacho was lynched so fast, mostly because you wanted to use more of that day to set up for the lylo that you knew you'd be in.

I don't have to make a case for myself as town, because I'm town. All I need to do is further push my case on you, which I've been sitting on for the whole of this game. If Anti is scum, I'm damned, but I don't think that's the case. In fact, I know how calculating you are, Cabd. I'm willing to bet that you purposefully made sure Anti and I were in LyLo together because you know I have my doubts about his slot. It's the perfect setup to lead a mislynch.

I've said my piece. TF's scum, and the lynch-down-the-list was a clever strategy to win as the last scum alive.
My vote is cast. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, town.
VOTE: TF

Juuust gonna reiterate this, which is what I opened the day on.
TF, if you're gonna 'expose' me for something in hopes of garnered a quick hammer, at least think about it for a bit first.

P-EDIT:
I don't know, you guys are the masters of setup speculation. Furthermore, I never said that your one-shot ability was definitely a recruitment, but that it could be. As far as roles and PRs go, you could be fucking anything. In that regard, you could even be vanilla and my result could have been manipulated when I targeted you. I have no way of knowing. Basing a case on PR speculation/uncomfirmable claims isn't really useful. That's why I tend to be skeptical of anyone who uses a PR-claim to try to gain leverage over other players. Scum can do it just as easily as town.

[Varsoon]

Problems with your current course of action:

1. It relies on the idea that X-shot PRs and Anti's PR work the same way in regards to my investigate.
2. It doesn't cover the fact that you could be lying about your PR.
3. It doesn't cover the fact that my results could have been manipulated on any night, since my ability is fairly telegraphed from claim-forward.
4. It posits that I am a scum rolecop, which still doesn't explain how hypothetical scum-varsoon got results on players and delivered night kills if he was the only scum left since D5.
5. It misrepresents me as lying about my result on you, despite the fact that I've already explained how my result makes sense in regards to point 1, 2, and 3

P-EDIT:
It had to be me? I've already covered why you left Anti and I alive. You could've left TF alive for an even stronger 'conftownie'/person-beyond-the-lynch-threshhold to get onto my wagon, but that's be too risky, wouldn't it?
You're the one who pushed me to hammer Nacho in MyLo despite the fact I felt he was town and you were scum. Then when I play into your hand and hammer him out of paranoia and 'sticking to the plan', you turn it on me?

@Anti: TF's already claimed a role that makes people vanilla (of course with claimed town utility only). Hypothetically, yeah, you could've been made vanilla and that'd explain my result on you. It'd also be a damn powerful scum play to make if they were planning on taking me to Lylo with them, so that they could expose that and hope to get a PR-related lynch levied on me.

[Varsoon]

Basically, we can both point fingers and say the other is lying for the next 11 days. I don't want to do that. We've already argued everything to death so much so that we're going in circles.
I've given my results faithfully to town every time I got them. I've always told the truth about my PR and results, even when I knew it could damn my slot
TF, you've admitted to lying about your PR, and allowed misinformation about it to spread.
I've already made my case for you being scum, I've dismantled your play, criticized your multi-faceted attempts to represent me as scum, and held my own.
You've been wiggling all of Lylo, scrounging up reasons for me being scum. Where were these reasons before? Why haven't you been pushing a case on me? Why am I suddenly oh-so-obvious scum now that we're in Lylo? I've already shot down every artificial case and appeal you've made in the last day, and I'm tired of it. Keep scrounging, but I'm firmly standing here.
I'm town.
You're scum.

[Varsoon]

I'm not going to entertain you and your hypothetical PR-brokering/setup speculation any longer, TF.

It's a good try at appealing to logic, but it falls flat in the face of the facts of the game.

We've got an entire 5724 posts worth of information. Why do we need to entertain hypotheticals at this point?

Work should be done with what exists. I'll let my play speak for itself.

[Varsoon]

Furthermore, in this Lylo, neither of us can be trusted, since we're pitted in authorship against each other. You are my 'other' and I am yours, Cabd. Ergo, there's extreme bias in anything we write at this point, as we can only write from our privileged state of self.
Of course, I'll posit that my argument is correct and superior, and you'll do that for yourself as well, but that's exactly the problem here.

If alignment and intention are to be divined, the entire scope of our actions should be considered, rather than arguments made in the light of Lylo, don't you think?


Like I said, I'm done entertaining you. It's not because you've got some shred of damning evidence, but because we could go at this forever, and we've already exhausted discussion to the point that now we're arguing over hypothetical situations that are not confirmable in order to influence the vote of another player.

[Varsoon]

5712 is in reference to Mala and Rach. Desp was a goon and AJ was a traitor, so he functioned a bit outside of the norm.
I could have sworn that Rach had a one-shot ability. There was some confusion about her flip, and I still don't understand fully what her role does.

Although, again, this is exactly the kind of thing I've been critical of. You're scrounging to find some 'big hole', or some point of exposure. How does this disprove anything that we've been discussing? Even furthermore, this is just more arguing the hypothetical.

Getting really tired of it, man.

[Varsoon]

Like, are you implying that I know players had one-shot abilities that weren't discussed

in their fucking modflips

?

Yeah, I get it, I'm stupid and didn't realize I was wrong about that.

Even then, so what? You're pushing discussion of hypothetical PR scenarios in an attempt to discredit me.

It's secondary to the text of the game.

P-EDIT:
Oooh, now I get it. You're trying to say that I must have a one-shot ability because I've falsely been thinking every scum PR had one.

The problem, Cabd, is that I'm Town Non-consecutive Vanilla Cop. My character is Jesiah Black. I've been scum-hunting all game. I've even caught a good bit of them. I've made my case on you, which is a culmination of my criticism of your play throughout the entire game. You can understand why it's unnerving to have to put in so much work as town, to show my reads, to do good hunting, to catch the scum minority, to spend lots of time on this game in hopes that my effort will culminate in a town win, when my opposition thinks they can outdo all that with hypothetical scenarios and other lie-mongering.

[Varsoon]

You shouldn't misrepresent my recognition and denial of your discourse as deflection. Further back-and-forth is masturbatory at this point.
I've already told everything factual about my results and my role. Feel free to entertain speculation and theory on it, but I've laid out the facts of how my role works and what my results were.

I'd ask you to make an actual case against me, but, again, authorial bias renders it untrustworthy.

I appreciate you digging yourself a deeper hole while trying to wriggle out of the scummy play you've been putting forth all game, though. At least you're tenacious. It's cute that you've found something hypothetical and 'damning' to latch onto, but if you think you've got any agency in the outcome of this game now that you're in lylo, you're mistaken.

Truth is, Antihero has all of the power in this situation, and nothing either of us does right now outweighs the 230 pages of evidence to both of our alignments.

[Varsoon]

I'm comfortable in giving that power to Antihero.
I trust my own conviction and casework as well as my play throughout the game so far.
So, TF, I have to ask again, why are you squirming so much to find negative things to say about me just now, now that we're in lylo together?

[Varsoon]

You're denying Antihero agency as a player of this game and a member of town. He's capable of making an informed decision, especially given the length of this game and both of our input in it. It's not a 50-50 chance when it's an informed decision.

I'm done asking questions and fielding yours. Balls in your court, Anti.

[Varsoon]

Like I said, I'm done entertaining you. It's not because you've got some shred of damning evidence, but because we could go at this forever, and we've already exhausted discussion to the point that now we're arguing over hypothetical situations that are not confirmable in order to influence the vote of another player.

You shouldn't misrepresent my recognition and denial of your discourse as deflection. Further back-and-forth is masturbatory at this point.

[Varsoon]

Twiddling my thumbs and F5'ing for an eternity.

[Varsoon]

Man, I had to try.

Honestly, though, we kinda lost when we bussed ourselves for the first 4 days.

[Varsoon]

I really loved the flavor for this game.

I wish I could've pulled a win for my team, but I guess you can't win 'em all.

Excellent modding, Bork. I'm looking forward to your next game.


Although, hm, I might take a break from scumming.

[Varsoon]

Updated my signature to reflect that I don't always win and my favorite quote from this game.

I knew I lost the second that Anti called me a Batman Villain. I laughed for days, but knew that he'd never trust me.

[Varsoon]

Did you tell the truth about all your results, Varsoon?

Yeah, except that I didn't get any results after Trust Fund and Nacho, since I had to deliver kills all of those nights. I figured so long as I continued to 'get results', there'd be less suspicion of me, but I guess that didn't play out. I originally lied about getting a Vanilla on you because I knew we'd be in Lylo together and that I had to put some suspicion on your slot, but at the same time, I had to do it in a way that wasn't totally scummy. The result was really awkward. I should'a just said I got a Non-Vanilla result and gone forward with it, but at that point in time, the only way I'd be able to win is by making some suspicion of your role, since TD hadn't hammered Andy yet.

[Varsoon]

I think I pretty much called all the kills, which probably should've been handled differently.

I wanted the early kills on SoS and B&B just because they were strong town players who were posting a lot.

[Varsoon]

Honestly, though, we kinda lost when we bussed ourselves for the first 4 days.

why

I don't know why we did that.

Here's the scum QT:
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/pwDVh6CjYj6z

There were several times when I was like, "STOOOOP BUSSSIIIIING"
And we really never did.

I figured the Mala lynch was inevitable, and thought I'd get town points for stalling the nick wagon to make a case for mala being scum or B&B being scum for pushing it so hard.
As for AJ, we should'a just recruited him.


Man, now I feel like the crappiest scum ever.

[Varsoon]

I shouldn't have, but I figured I'd have a better chance of winning if it was between me, anti, and TF instead of me, tf/anti, and you.

In retrospect, though, I should've kept you alive and killed Anti.

That way, I could've said wriggle wriggle and maybe won.

Regardless, I lost the game the second that I had to rely on town to win it for me.

[Varsoon]

I killed you because it was a fun pun to make in the QT.

Also, because I knew that if we got to lylo together, you'd be voting me.

[Varsoon]

antihero hammered trust fund after agreeing to buy varsoon a pizza"

A NIGHTMARE FOR YOU
A DREAM FOR ME
ALAS, A REALITY FOR NO ONE

Also, I laughed way too hard.

[Varsoon]

Pretty good play from both sides, except when it wasn't. Good fun game though.

@Mollie No hard feelings, I had fun, despite my complaining :p


@Varsoon Man, when you were trying to defend me, I thought you had my back. Ah well, good play.

@Scum Bus lessssss m'kay?

@Not science You set a new low bar for usefulness, so gratz on that.

@Bork Sweet stories, those were really good.

To be fair, Nick, I would'a had your back if I was town, too. I think I just had your back in general.

[Varsoon]

A part of me wants to sign up for your 2hu game, because you're a damn good mod, it'll have an awesome playerbase, and I know I'll dig the flavor.

My hesitation lies solely in the fact that I feel responsible for my team losing here, and am a bit burnt out over it.

[Varsoon]

Fairnuff BRO.
Here goes nothing

[Varsoon]

My hesitation lies solely in the fact that I feel responsible for my team losing here, and am a bit burnt out over it.

FMPoV you were carrying the team through most of the game

Bork, you're too sweet~

But yeah, signed up. Can't spend forever moping over my losses, gotta go make some wins!!

[Varsoon]

Varsoon, you were easily the 3rd best performing for scum, right behind NS and TD.

Warms my heart.

[Varsoon]

hyuk hyuk
/prein