Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[nickthename]

Vote: Venmar

[nickthename]

VOTE: Venmar

[nickthename]

Me being heavily tempted to vote venmar was out of frustration with his stupidity, not because I think he is scum.

Well, then I suppose your reason is different than mine.

[nickthename]

Vote: Nachomamma8

Pappa and Mamma are reunited <3

This isn't RVS anymore, champ.

As to Venmar, I feel like town would want to hold on to the claim, and use it against the scum, instead of claiming page 2. Perhaps this is a playstyle thing, but such an early, reasonless claim comes across as an attempt for scum to get their foot in the door with a fakeclaim early.

[nickthename]

Who says this isn't RVS anymore

Me. Content, pls.

[nickthename]

All you stupid fuckers need to stop PGO claiming, either it's a bad gambit, or you are one in which case you should be playing in such a way that scum will target you and not town to get free kills instead of dumbassing. Heavily tempted to vote venmar here....

Me being heavily tempted to vote venmar was out of frustration with his stupidity, not because I think he is scum. Nick, you're silly, he is highly likely to be a PGO.

I mean, really.

Really, what?

[nickthename]

But bnb, why you no like me? </3. I didn't subtle push, I raged, there's a difference.
VOTE: ftl

What even is this shit?
VOTE: Tiphaine

[nickthename]

@nhammen
You need to take your meds and chill out, it's a game.

notscience has elected to identify as

Midori Uzuki of the Nisan Alliance.

Well, that was dumb.

[nickthename]

I don't need meds, and this is just how I play. I know it's just a game. Don't worry <3.

The "@" indicates who i'm talking to.

I. Don't. Even. All you stupid fuckers need to stop PGO claiming, either it's a bad gambit, or you are one in which case you should be playing in such a way that scum will target you and not town to get free kills instead of dumbassing. Heavily tempted to vote venmar here....

You didn't vote him, but you made this little half-step push thing, which is worse in my book.

[nickthename]

Something other than oh he was scum last time please.

You do realize no one said that, right? Or did I miss that?

[nickthename]

I. Don't. Even. All you stupid fuckers need to stop PGO claiming, either it's a bad gambit, or you are one in which case you should be playing in such a way that scum will target you and not town to get free kills instead of dumbassing. Heavily tempted to vote venmar here....

You didn't vote him, but you made this little half-step push thing, which is worse in my book.

bingo. it looks alot like you were flirting with the idea but waiting for someone else to take the initiative, TD.

Except that's not what happened.

VOTE: Mac

[nickthename]

VOTE: Venmar

Me being heavily tempted to vote venmar was out of frustration with his stupidity, not because I think he is scum.

Nick, you're silly, he is highly likely to be a PGO.

I. Don't. Even. All you stupid fuckers need to stop PGO claiming, either it's a bad gambit, or you are one in which case you should be playing in such a way that scum will target you and not town to get free kills instead of dumbassing. Heavily tempted to vote venmar here....

You didn't vote him, but you made this little half-step push thing, which is worse in my book.

bingo. it looks alot like you were flirting with the idea but

waiting for someone else to take the initiative, TD.

So, if you look at post #48, TD jumped away from Venmar when I voted Ven, and actually told me not to vote him. This is completely inconsistent with Mac's version of events. Mac's been trying to justify a place on the TD wagon for a little while, but apparently he doesn't even know why he's on it.

" it looks alot like you were flirting with the idea but waiting for someone else to take the initiative, TD."
But then when I took the initiative, he immediately backs off? That makes no sense.

[nickthename]

@Nick: I think your post about Mac does highlight why TD feels so scum, though.

I don't even know what this means.

[nickthename]

I didn't like the Mac vote itself.

And why is that?

[nickthename]

Case on Mac.

Spoiler:

you know there is nothing wrong with what venmar did? and in fact, your alternative solutions would have had more of a negative effect than the way venmar has played it?

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

i don't like the way you are playing so far.

His initial reason for getting on the wagon is pretty insubstantial

we are most certainly not done with it.

stop running away.

pretty sure you are running away.
now answer the questions asked at you or be lynched. it's simple.

And yet he follows up pushing the wagon without really posting his own reason.
I'm not posting the whole iso, but suffice to say up till 208 he doesn't give a reason for being on the wagon, despite pushing it heavily.

It's not a mother fucking policy lynch, I didn't push a lynch on venmar, I never voted venmar, and I hate policy lynches. Remove-head-from-rectum-conf-town.

and yet you said you were "heavily tempted" to vote Venmar earlier

But TD explained in his very next post that he only said that out of frustration, and never intended to actually vote him. Mac seems to have ignored that post entirely.

I. Don't. Even. All you stupid fuckers need to stop PGO claiming, either it's a bad gambit, or you are one in which case you should be playing in such a way that scum will target you and not town to get free kills instead of dumbassing. Heavily tempted to vote venmar here....

You didn't vote him, but you made this little half-step push thing, which is worse in my book.

bingo. it looks alot like you were flirting with the idea but waiting for someone else to take the initiative, TD.

As I said early, this is simply incompatible with what Ven and TD actually said there. This is either joining and staying on a big wagon without even reading the reason cited for being on it, or blatent misrepping.

ok. i was wrong. remind me why that makes me scum? I've justified my place on this wagon already.

also voting venmar for stupidity = policy lynch. despite td apparently hating them.

What you were wrong about

was

your justification for being on the wagon, did you even read what I said?
Also, TD never voted venmar for stupidity, which is consistent with his dislike of PLs. That's not a reason to vote TD.

As far as why it makes you scum, well, obviously you aren't confirmed scum for it, but hopping on, staying on, and pushing a large wagon without bothering to read the posts of or try to understand the intent of the person you are wagoning doesn't seem at all town to me.

Now I have a crapload more posts to read since when I started writing this.

[nickthename]

but my focus can't waver now.

Why?

[nickthename]

Yall hydras need to sign ur shit.

[nickthename]

And this is why I hate hydras.

mebbe if you would stop posting in your scum qt you would know this.

What is this supposed to mean?

[nickthename]

Or basis for any of your reads, actually.

[nickthename]

{FTL, nhammen}
{Ghost, Mac, NS, Silence, Tiphane, Trust, Venmar}
{AJ, Andi, BRO, Desp, Mastin, Mamma, Pappa, nickthename, Rach, Skull, Muffin}

So, B&B, does this reads list still apply? I ask because you seem to like to soft-FOS, and I can't really tell how to interprete them. Specifically, what are your feelings on Rach and Mastin?

[nickthename]

Actually, this is a perfect opportunity to say this. B&B, I like you guys, but seriously, can you shut up a little bit? You've been spamming pretty hard since the start of this game and It's getting on my nerves. Maybe condense your thoughts a little, wait till you have a few things to say? Thanks.

[nickthename]

in response to #1, I had the same reaction as I was reading so mebbe you should throw that out the window

Or maybe you're just both scum.

I find them scummy.

So do you plan on, say, voting any of them?

[nickthename]

would it help if I told you we have a hydra together that we regularly use? if he starts to look scummy to me you will be the first to know.

Flip town and we'll talk. Until then, I'll trust my own reads over unconfs', no matter how good you think you are at reading him.

[nickthename]

the one onto Mac wasn't explained immediately. [...] I don't really mind his case on Mac AFTER he posts it, I simply think it should've been explained with the vote before letting it fall later down. He proceeds to do something I consider anti-town: His case justified his vote, not his vote justifying his case. Meaning he didn't look for a case until AFTER he decided to vote for Mac.

This is wrong in several ways. First off, my first write up of my reason for voting mac came

14 minutes after my initial vote.

Perhaps this isn't immediate enough for you, but it took me a little while to double check what I was talking about and find the quotes I wanted.

Second, saying I didn't look for a case until after I posted is horseshit. I said:

Except that's not what happened.
VOTE: Mac

I wanted to get my vote down immediately after the reason I was voting for him. I even said in that post that I was voting him because of what he seemed to believe happened in regards to TD did not. I had my case in mind when I made that vote,

that's why I made it

.

[nickthename]

Fos: FTL

when i read your first 2 sentences i wanted to slap you in the face

fortunately you actually do realise that this is a hydra account

why are you so concerned over where my slot parks its vote? its not like he's gonna get lynched for real or anything
[...]
you can be town for now

Holy fuck, this guy.

[nickthename]

So do you plan on, say, voting any of them?

oh baby oh. you caught me.

I am also scum reading nhammen who is who we are voting for so

Actually, it isn't, you aren't voting for anyone right now. Not that you'd know, apparently.

As to FTL, your vote is an important indicator of your intentions. You voting a town read makes you look ass backwards.

[nickthename]

Also Mac is town, and FTL is likely town, too.

Since these are fairly controversial, could you, like, post at least a summery of why you think them? No need for walls. Has your opinion of FTL changed any from 521? Why do you think Mac is town? I have a hard time swallowing that, especially after 245 where he acknowledges his primary reason for being on the TD wagon is wrong but then completely ignores it and keeps on wagoning.

Quote the reasons why mac is scum. I keep seeing you writing that "Mac is scum, mac slipped."
Show us where and why Mac is scum.

Iso me and/or TD, it's pretty much all been posted before.

[nickthename]

Also, @TD, could you please use

Code: Select all

[post=###]LINK[/post]

When you make a post referencing other posts without quotes? Makes it easier to read.
/off-topic

[nickthename]

Mac isn't a controversial read.

I'm contradicting you on it. It's controversial. Now explain it when you can.

[nickthename]

NickTheName, am I correct that you don't have a completed scum game at MS? Have you played a scum game on another site?

nometa4you

[nickthename]

NickTheName, am I correct that you don't have a completed scum game at MS? Have you played a scum game on another site?

nometa4you

I have meta on you

[nickthename]

This is wrong in several ways. First off, my first write up of my reason for voting mac came

14 minutes after my initial vote.

Perhaps this isn't immediate enough for you, but it took me a little while to double check what I was talking about and find the quotes I wanted.

I can create a case of that stature in 14 minutes. Not to mention, half of the case holds barely no water anyways.

Are you seriously accusing me of voting someone for no reason, then immediately deciding I needed to manufacture a case? And this seems more logical to you then that I just voted immediately then went about writing up the reason that I already had for why I was voting?

Also, do you care to rebut the case, or just say you don't think it makes sense?

Mac isn't a controversial read.

I'm contradicting you on it. It's controversial. Now explain it when you can.

Bro. One or two people thinking Mac is scum for weak reasoning whereas everyone else has him as town is not controversial. That's you not reading him right.

First off, TD, me, and BRO, that's 3 people. I would call three people disagreeing with your read reason enough to explain your reasoning, no? What do you have against him explaining his read?

[nickthename]

Unvote, Vote: BRO

Hey, so nacho, I don't know if you've ever played in a game this big before, but with this many players you're not going to be able to get much out of voting someone without explaining it, even if a few people are already voting that person, because you just need so many votes to lynch. You need to explain your votes to try and get a bunch of other people to vote with you.

Also, in this game you can switch your vote without unvoting, but if varies from mod to mod so it's a good idea to check the rules first.

[nickthename]

I fail to see anything useful in those reactions.

[nickthename]

Because I'm

not

living up to what I should be, and I feel horrible for it.

Dude, you're way, way too full of yourself. Get over it, and you won't feel horrible about yourself. Other than that, I don't really see anything to comment about here, except

If you're town, you can trust me to be town.

this comment sticks out to me, but I can't decide if it's scummy or towny atm.
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First off, TD, me, and BRO, that's 3 people. I would call three people disagreeing with your read reason enough to explain your reasoning, no? What do you have against him explaining his read?

See, what happens when you go ahead and interject like that is that you don't understand. I didn't say it was bad to question the reasoning. I said it's not controversial. Something controversial would be me saying notscience is scum, even though he's an Innocent Child, and then providing a more than adequate case which would display how he has been playing in a scummy matter.

So we define controversial differently. Settled.

Case on Mac.

you know there is nothing wrong with what venmar did? and in fact, your alternative solutions would have had more of a negative effect than the way venmar has played it?

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

i don't like the way you are playing so far.

His initial reason for getting on the wagon is pretty insubstantial

Why him specifically? Most of the people on the wagon initially jumped on because of this very same thing.

This is correct, and I consider it natural to look for scum on the TD wagon, especially considering how fast it grew. This quote here is significant, because later he claims to have already posted his reason for being on the wagon. This is that reason.

we are most certainly not done with it.

stop running away.

pretty sure you are running away.
now answer the questions asked at you or be lynched. it's simple.

And yet he follows up pushing the wagon without really posting his own reason.
I'm not posting the whole iso, but suffice to say up till 208 he doesn't give a reason for being on the wagon, despite pushing it heavily.

Post 138 disagrees.

I meant that between the previous post I commented on (138) and 208 he doesn't give a reason. I was agnowledging that he had aditional posts between 138 and 208, but none giving any other reason for being on the wagon.

It's not a mother fucking policy lynch, I didn't push a lynch on venmar, I never voted venmar, and I hate policy lynches. Remove-head-from-rectum-conf-town.

and yet you said you were "heavily tempted" to vote Venmar earlier

But TD explained in his very next post that he only said that out of frustration, and never intended to actually vote him. Mac seems to have ignored that post entirely.

So what you're telling me... is that he's wrong for not reading a backtrack? I'd understand if this was like, y'know, something less scummy. But TD backtracked the hell out of that post. He went all guns blazing at Venmar, only to later say, "Oh, I never REALLY wanted to vote him!"

...Remind me why it's scummy to assume such behavior?

I agree with TD's backtracking was fairly scummy, but in Mac's mind, TD can't both be scummy for, as Mac said, soft-FOSing Ven and waiting for more traction, and ALSO scummy for quickly backing off when someone else voted Ven. From reading Mac's posts, it seems the former, that Mac didn't read post 49 and thought that TD was soft pushing Ven waiting for more votes to jump on. However, when I corrected this to him, he stated:

ok. i was wrong. remind me why that makes me scum?

I've justified my place on this wagon already.

As I stated earlier, his only posted justification was in 138 (cited above) where he says only that he doesn't like the way TD has been playing so far (meaning posts before 138).

So, at 245, he's on a large wagon, which grew extremely quickly, and has just had one of his primary reasons for being on the wagon reveled to be incorrect. His reaction is to stay on the wagon, and not bother to examine the people on it at all? This isn't town motivated at all.

[nickthename]

Also I was early on to the "nhammen is scum" thought.

Could you elaborate on your nhammen read? Nhammen feels pretty null to me.

Also, you're voting SoS, and all you've said so far about her is a possible liar tell. So either you consider that one tell scummier than anything else so far this game, or there's more to that vote then you've said. Which is it?
If it's the former, can you elaborate on how that is a liar tell? I don't really follow.

[nickthename]

The contrast between this Mala and the scum-replace-in mala from my Newbie is pretty strong, and even absent from her meta she's been reasonably towny. Townread on that slot.

Could Yall like cite your meta on mollie?

[nickthename]

Nickthename:

His is more of a conflict-of-interest type read. I view Mac as pretty town-like, and I’m not a big fan of his case on Mac in post 272. Plus, he was delayed in his reasoning for Mac. It seems a bit like a fit-the-evidence-for-the-read shnindig.

Not to mention, he voted for Venmar for his PGO claim, then quickly changed his vote to TD, in a similar kind of feel to FTL’s hop from one to the other… The reasoning for TD was poor, at best (Post 102).

I do like some of his posts, but those two pointers outweighed what I viewed as town.

+

I'll give you this. This is actually pretty decent reasoning for Macscum.

=

Speaking of that, let it be heard that I'm completely okay with lynching either RachMarie or nickthename if either wagon progresses a decent amount.

What am I missing here? Also, do you still think mac is town?

[nickthename]

Town-leaning

:

Malakittens

- I've already talked about this, but her entering the thread looks towny.

zMuffin

- Feels authentic, although I'm still waiting on his new reads.

thezmon

- Arguing against him feels like arguing with a thoughtful townie, although I disagree with some of his reads

BROseiden

- I like his notes regarding ghostlin, a player most people seem to have overlooked. His liar tell thing seems dumb, but it also seems town.

Null

:

Rach

- She's right up there with zMuffin as far as time since we last heard from her, and her play before didn't really give me much of an opinion on her.

Skull

- Nothing to see here

Nacho

- Not contributing much, but nacho never contributes much. Until something serious that he is forced to react to, I doubt I'll get much of a read here.

Andrius

- His scumread on me feels forced, but his read of the game feels towny. Dunno, really.

Ghostlin

-Yet to see very much from him. His vote on Mala is dumb, but it doesn't really pop out is scum to me. I'd like some reads from him.

TD

- His emotions seem legitimate, but I'm not sure I'm a fan of how quiet he's been lately.

Venmar

- Who knows? Not me.

Those other 2 hydras

- Too hard to read for anything real D1, methinks.
Everyone else I forgot.

Scum-leaning:-

B&B

- The harass of Mala doesn't look towny. That said, the hydra dissonance is strong with this one, and i'm having a hard time even figuring out what they believe. Also, sign your posts, seriously, it's not hard. Can yall like, talk to eachother and agree on reads or something?

FTL

- Have these 2 ever played in a hydra before? Seriously, you guys are harder to figure out then B&B, and not in a good way. MS is barely even legible, and all his question seem completely random and pointless. I see a tiny bit of scummieness poking through from Varsoon in posts like this:

@Nick: TD's vote on Venmar, then pulling in the reigns when it doesn't work out.

-V

(TD never voted Venmar)
VOTE: FTL
I don't get the feeling they are putting any effort at all into working together, making it hard to get a read. Hopefully they'll eventually feel enough preassure to do it, and then I can be more definitive in my read.

Mastin

- This:

I'm thinking at this point that BROseidon might be scum, from his iso. "Why? His words look so town!" Words, yes. A good scum player can create good words. Actions, on the other hand? Actions, I think make him scum. Macscumread, nicktownread, fakeish-looking reaction to IC, SoS scumread, general reads not seeming all too original (this may just be me, though), overall posting not screaming town even though the words themselves look town. Not much, but worrisome. (Basically: any individual sentence may look town, but their sum is less than their parts.)

Is dumb and doesn't make much sense. His read on me also looks pretty forced, but since he doesn't really bother to back it up, it's hard to tell. It worries me that he doesn't really do any analysis on the TD wagon, which seems like something someone who considers themself to be as analytical as Mastin seems to think he is would do.

Mac

- Reasons are in my iso. Scum.

[nickthename]

@895Be careful mollie, if you keep grasping at straws that hard, you'll break them, and then you won't be able to keep drinking whatever hard liquor you were drinking when you made that post. Can yall like talk about reads before the end of day one? Is there some reason why have to wait for the first night to talk?

[nickthename]

Hi guys, sorry for the delay. Got a reminder last night that I have a wedding to attend today.

...Well, sorta. I couldn't actually attend it (even though I really, REALLY wanted to*), but I'll be watching a livestream of the wedding (with luck, anyway), and thus, not online here. (A one-day declaration of V/LA, you could say.) I'll see what I can do today. (Seven pages back, on 30.) And as a general warning--it's quite obvious I've got pretty much zero confidence and hate my play because of it. From here-on out, I'm just going to flat-out lie about my confidence. Being wrong but being 'confident' (but not really) about it, at this point, would be better than maybe-eventually-being-right while in the meantime sucking hardcore. I can't change the (lack of) confidence in my reads. I can change how I am perceived, though. It'll be the Mastin you are more familiar with, even though it's a lie. Who knows, that change of appearance might actually be the spark I need.

*The people being married are two online friends of mine from another site. Crazy lovers.

Nonononononononono. How the hell would lying about your confidence in your reads help town? Thats bullshit.

Being wrong but being 'confident' (but not really) about it, at this point, would be better than maybe-eventually-being-right while in the meantime sucking hardcore.

I just can't get over how incredibly wrong this is. Being confident about incorrect reads is good? WTF are you smoking?

[nickthename]

I want to work with you and him. I have Malakittens as scum, and obviously nickthename as scum, both in Majiffy's scum-pile, but I'm going to have difficulty working with you and him if he's calling me scum.

"I'm buddying you really hard, can I be town now?" Also, I don't like the implication that you won't be able to work with them unless they post reading you as town.

[5] Faster Than Light (thezmon221,

Malakittens

, Skullduggery, TiphaineDeath,

nickthename

)

Bad wagon is bad and incredibly scumdriven.

[4] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light)

Replacement wagon is bad and the best names on there are FtL (a minor townread) and MuffinMan (also minor townread), which is

generally a

very bad sign

.

[3] nickthename (Aj The Epic, mastin2, notscience)

Epic wagon is epic. Made up of a player who everyone (be it via play or meta) is calling town and with TWO conftown backing it.
The Malakittens wagon is a decent alternative, though.

You slip in saying that you're conf-town and comment on the mala wagon without looking at the votes on it, which I'd like you to do.

(See. This is me lying. This is me showing a bit more confidence, even though I'm actually having less and less confidence. I told you it'd be closer to the me you're used to, despite it being a lie. )

So you're lying that you're confident while pushing wagons? Dunno how people don't think this is obv scum.
VOTE: Mastin

[nickthename]

I've explained my scumreads on nick

No, actually you haven't, unless you count

nick's posts were largely null, with some potentially-town and some potentially-scum, but nick's later posts progressively tipped him towards being scum. If I had more than that, I'd have said so.

Where you say you don't have much. So now I have to ask, why are you pushing me so hard? What changed between 692 and 928 that caused you to be so sure i'm scum, and why haven't you mentioned it anywhere?

[nickthename]

{Mac, Mastin} Are my only lynches for today at the moment. Rereading Rach now, I've been letting myself be pre-occupied with less lurky players, so I haven't formed a whole lot of an opinion on her yet.

[nickthename]

I don't like how Rach asks questions and doesn't comment at all on the answers, but it's also possible her inactivity is due to thread speed or irl issues. She claimed to be going to post some reads when she got back, and I'm in no real hurry to wagon, so I'll wait on those.

[nickthename]

@1381
Wow, you managed to make an entire reads list without saying or committing to anything. Scummy, although I don't know the meta, maybe this is par for the course. I don't think Rach is a very good D1 lynch though, but if she keeps sitting on the fence day 2 i'll most certainly want to lynch her then.

We should be lynching Mastin

This.

[nickthename]

andy/nacho/thez and muffin
who else
I don't think it is nicky and I don't think it is bro

Mollie
After Andy who next

thinking thez and nacho.

What are you talking about here? I don't follow.

[nickthename]

You're saying a bunch of names, what are you saying about those names? Are those scumreads? Townreads?

[nickthename]

@B&B 1390 and 1392
Ah, I see. That was my first thought, but I was under the impression you thought thez was town, so I wanted to ask.

[nickthename]

I don't think Rach is a very good D1 lynch though

Why not?

Rach hasn't provided much content at all today, her reads sit on the fence so hard it's ver difficult to tell what she thinks of anyone. However, she has promised better reads and commentary day 2. I agree that her behavior today has been scummy, but hear me out.

Assume for the sake of argument that she doesn't provide any useful content during the rest of Day 1, which I think is a fairly passable assumption considering her current behavior.
During day 2, if she still fails to provide any useful content, we lynch her.
If she does provide useful content day 2, we should be able to use that content to get a more accurate read on her. If we decide she's town, we avoid a mislynch. If scum, we still lynch her, but now we have her better reads to use against her partners.

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It's plainly obvious to me that a mac lynch isn't going to happen, so i'm in favor of a mastin lynch. His reads look very artificial, mimicking popular town ideas without providing any decent reasons, and his posts are largely useless and fluffy, either in the form of talking about how towny he is, talking about how he has secret reads he won't tell us, or talking about how he's lying about how confident he is. This comes accross to me as scum trying to look engaged while lacking any real scumhunting.

As to Andy, I need to Iso him again, if anyone could post a non-meta based case against him, that would be nice.

[nickthename]

NICK THE NAME : 50 POSTS : SCUM
WHY:

I have Nick as null-leaning-scum (more of a benefit of the doubt affordance), but MS is convinced he’s dyed-in-the-wool scum. He’s been really inconsistent in his play across the board, and his reads-list has been pretty betrayed by his own play later. He seems very intent on getting hydras all mislynched, and this is what really rubs MS the wrong way, who cited posts like 441 and 538 against us as evidence for this. I feel like the disparity in his play, the lack of being able to cognitively map him, and his swapping between early votes on just-born wagons to testing the waters with Rach is troubling, especially in light of how defensively he’s been playing this game.

I'll get to this more later on, but this thing about me wanting to get hydras mislynched is crap. In 441 i'm saying I hate hydras because of all this dissonance happening this game, and because I can't figure out what B&B's actual opinions are. I then try and clarify mollie's stance. This is not me trying to get any hydras lynched.

538: This thing where you guys don't seem to care that you don't agree, and don't seem to value your vote at all doesn't seem town motivated at all to me. Once again, this has nothing to do with the fact that you are a hydra, rather that here you are playing as a hydra in a way that doesn't seem town.

As for this thing about my playstyle changing as the game goes on, it makes perfect sense for my playstyle to change as the game goes on, since more information appears and wagons become more serious. Shouldn't playstyle change as game situations change? I fail to see how this is scummy.

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Spoiler:

61 : Explains a terrible, reactionary vote here. Even concedes that it might just be a different approach in playstyle, but never makes clear -that's what he is pressuring-. His vote feels like a genuine get-lynched kinda vote here.

A genuine "get-lynched" vote on page 3? Are your serious? Haven't we played games together before? My threshold for a vote early on is very low.

102 : Another vote of reaction-levels, and here with frustration as the only discernible reason why. It's not a very town transition in votes or rationale for either.

This guy came along and was scummier than the previous guy, so I voted him. As I said, not a high threshold this early on, especially with this many players.

201 : you know what this game needs? More IC bashing. Don't encourage or challenge the slot to create content, noooo, that's bad town. Just tell NS that his play was shitty or bad or dumb and suffocate his voice.

I don't see how this is suffocating his voice, but whatever.

218 : Another jarring leap in vote. Nick seems to play a very reactionary game, and since he's given no real reads so far, it's not like I can call him scum for it. His 533 addresses this concern, so, eh?

I almost seems like you ARE calling me scum for it. I might as well c&p my last reason. This guy came along and was scummier than the previous guy, so I voted him.

232 : The logic presented here rings true for Nick, which makes his push make a bit more sense, but I wish it didn't have to get questioned out of him.

So have you read 533 or not? It didn't take me getting questioned to say it, it took me some time to double-check my suspicions were correct, and to write up my reasoning. As I've
said several times before, I voted first, thinking that was scummy, then double checked and wrote up an explanation.

748 :

Finally does something other than putting suspicion on hydras

and pushing/defending his mac vote. I like this engagement, but this is a bit early to be town-reading mala, imo.

I FOS'ed FTL because I thought you guys were being scummy in your weird hydra-dissonce over one of your reads. I was trying to figure out what B&B's actual stance was, since it wasn't clear to me. I'm not sure how you call this putting suspicion on hydras, and I also don't understand why you think that as scum I would try to set up hydras in particular for mislynches. This just makes no sense to me.

873 : About time you got some articulated reads on the table. Could use this as evidence of town gauging, but the reads speak against it. Gotta love how he's got hydras all grouped in his scum/null scum slots. If he just has frustration/difficulty reading hydras, he shouldn't have them all there. His vote on me isn't very well articulated and actually relies on the fact that I was playing logically based on my misunderstanding at one point. Also don't like his point on Mastin. His scum-reads outside of mac aren't very substantive and his town reads are all based in

feels

and

looks

.

Yes, that's what I tend to base my townreads on, what do you base yours on? Smells and tastes? If I have difficulty reading hydras (Which, spoiler alert, I do) doesn't it make sense for my to have them all roughly around null? I seriously do not understand your point with this hydra thing. Also, I thought I made it pretty clear I was adding to the pressure on you (and pressuring B&B as well) in an attempt to get you guys to post some cogent reads that both partners agreed upon.

938 : A really bad case on Mastin, who I'm reading as town at this point. Nick's points are a misrep/strawman on Nick's part, perception of a 'slip', and interpretation of lying without giving proof otherwise.

I don't see how this case is a strawman, and I guess you didn't feel like explaining that one. When I said slip, I mean slip as in "I slipped a 20 dollar bill into a pile of 1s" not "Scum-slipped" He slipped saying that he was conftown into a sentance that wasn't about him, which I didn't like. I don't think I need to provide proof when the guy is already saying that he's lying.

969 : Nick, this sounds a lot like an unfounded OMGUS and I don't know if you're painting it in such a way to avoid responsibility, or if you're legit making a case against someone because his reasons for voting you aren't as articulated as you'd like. Mastin isn't even being exploitative, he's actually really well plotted out if you read him. Having difficulty wrapping my head around town motivation for Nick's case on Mastin.

I don't know why you're calling this OMGUS, since I already said most of why I was voting mastin in the last post you commented on, but whatever. Saying mastin's reasons for voting me aren't as well articulated as I'd like is like saying the Hindenburg's landing wasn't quite as clean as I would have liked.

1022 : Despite practically town-reading Rach earlier, Nick's quick to throw some fuel on the building Rach fire right here without committing a vote.

I'm not sure how waiting for additional content from her is throwing fuel on the fire.

1386 : Gotta call everyone scum, dont'cha?

I don't understand the point of this, my opinion on Rach is consistent and clear.

1504 : This last post is more of what I've seen in 1022. It's like Nick's testing the waters too much with the Rach wagon. If he supports it, he should vote it, and get a damn reaction from it, or something. That's how Nick was playing in his first dozen posts, but it's completely gone here.

First of all, I don't see how this is me testing the waters, I've made my opinion on Rach very clear. I'd like to wait for more information, and I don't think she is a good D1 lynch. I don't understand why you're saying I should vote it, when I've made it very clear why i'm not voting it. As to me playing differently from my first few posts, my play changes as the day goes on. I don't see how this is scummy at all, it's logical. Wagons are unlikely to result in lynches early on in the day, so i'm pretty wagon-happy, whereas later on when things start to solidify I'm much more careful.

[nickthename]

So, I'm going to be V/LA from Monday the 19th through Sunday the 25th. I'll probably have internet access during at least part of this time, so I should be able to keep up with the thread and post occasionally, but don't count on me to be active.

[nickthename]

^that wasn't

[nickthename]

I'm sorry about my lack of activity, I've had essentially no Internet access. I'll try to get caught up when I get back tomorrow.

[nickthename]

I'm back, bitches! Time to read through ~15 pages.

[nickthename]

I'm online.

So, uh, what are you talking about?

[nickthename]

I don't understand the Andrius case and don't like this idea of lynching Rach today. That said, I'd prefer Rach to nothing, so I guess I'll vote her, unless something convinces me Andrius is scum, which is actually possible, since I perhaps if someone actually explains that case I'll understand it.

[nickthename]

If you're going to like, doing something andrius, hurry it up, I got up at 5 this morning and I want to go to bed.

[nickthename]

Andy I don't like a Rach or youlynch.

Discuss.

Both these wagons kinda suck but there doesn't seem to be enough time to scrape together a decent one, so this is what we've got.

[nickthename]

...

Any chance we can quicklynch nick?

Simmer down, sport.

[nickthename]

I'm going to bed. Back in about 7.5 hours.

[nickthename]

IC-tier town:
Scum:
BnB/Nick (leaning towards BnB right now for trying to derail Rach lynch)

You what?

[nickthename]

Why don't we just ask him?

Yo, Andius, why did you think it was Mala that was killed?

[nickthename]

You're breaking my heart, mr bro. You should have gotten something last night, and the fact you didn't means you're probably scum.

So, we lynch bro, and if he's town, we lynch Trust. This is kindergarden stuff.

VOTE: Bro

[nickthename]

Also happy birthday bork.

[nickthename]

Oh, I just figured you were.

[nickthename]

VOTE: unvote

[nickthename]

I DID A FEW GOOD ONES RECENTLY I SWEAR.

I MEAN REAL GOOD ONES NOT JUST ONES THAT GET PEOPLE MODKILLED.

Get back to me when you manage to get mala to claim scum in a 3-man lylo.
(love you mala)

link pls

[nickthename]

It's probably one of mollie's alts.

[nickthename]

Mastin your reads suck.

[nickthename]

And here I was thinking mollie could read me well.

[nickthename]

And here I was thinking mollie could read me well.

why is that? you two have a lot of games together?

She's had some very accurate reads on me in skype games. Apparently that doesn't carry over.

[nickthename]

also we're lynching nick

And you're OK with that now?

I see. Is that all you have?

Yes.

[nickthename]

Okay. So.

-Nick wagon looks good.

Wrong.

-Nick MAY be town, though.

Right.

-Or I COULD be wrong on my reads.

Right.

-...But I don't think I am.

Wrong.

-So I think that nick's a scum-approved thrown-under-the-bus wagon to try and save their own asses.

Wrong.

-That said, I also think it's a quickwagon.

Right.

-Which means that they want the day over. Now. Rather than later.

Right.

-This is why I'm not voting.

Right.

You're 5/8. Not bad, but at least you're less than 50% bullshit.

[nickthename]

[Nick's] been really quiet and snippy with people like Mastin, which makes me wonder if he's trying to coast and hope the wagon'll go away or what.

I've been quiet mostly because it's pretty clear no one is planning on listening to what I have to say. I can't really find any real substantiated reasons for voting me, so there's not a hell a lot of debate to be done. Most of the people that were scumreading me were initially doing so pretty lightly (from what I could tell), and they're now voting for me because it's easier than explaining why they aren't, when faced with someone loud and town like B&B. Not a hell of a lot for me to do, really. If I scumread people that are popular scum reads it will be called sheeping or just trying to create a counter wagon, and if I scumread people that aren't popular lynch targets they'll just be ignored, so there's no real reason to bother scumhunting if all my hard work is going to go for nothing. Maybe i'm just tired and I'll have more to say in the morning, I don't know.

As to mastin, his ego is just so huge that I love to take the chance to poke him.

inb4 this is AtE. Yeah, I know how pushing a lynch goes.

[nickthename]

The reason why I think one of nick/BnB is scum is because of the case bnb have been bringing against nick combined with the timing of the case. The case is solid; a lot of people nominally scumreading someone but not really doing anything about it is suspicious as fuck,

You're wrong here, B&B and I are both town. It's very easy to fabricate a scum read on me, because my playstyle tends to ruffle feathers. That said, scum don't necessarily want to push such a read, especially if they only have me listed as a minor scumread, hence why it didn't happen. Now that B&B is yelling from the mountaintops calling for my lynch, scum are taking the path of least resistance and voting me, and town are just coming along for the ride. The nice thing about this, is it gives us a nice wagon to look at. Now, we could just lynch me now and do the wagon analysis after I flip town, but I don't really like that idea. First of all, it skips over a time that we could be using for discussion, which isn't pro-town.

B&B, you talk about me being anti-town for not feeling like saying anything. Well, speedlynching me has the same effect: discussion gets halted, and the net result is that in the future you have less different time periods to examine people's perspectives, so it's harder to draw a continuity of reads.

Second, I enjoy being in this game, and I'd really rather not watch from the sidelines. I also consider myself a fairly useful asset to the town.

I'm very much liking Mastin's more recent analysis, it feels like a logical town perspective. Although part of this is certainly because he's admitted there's a chance i'm not scum, his 2907 definitely feels like a townie reaction to the quickwagon.

With that in mind, I'm still not quite sure of his reads, because I'm not sure that I think andrius is scum.

@Mastin If Andrius and I are both town, who do you think is the last scum?

With all that said and Mastin now as a townread I'm off to go iso Bro, Mala, and Nacho, as well as read back through the wagon on myself. I encourage all of you to do the same, or if you already have post your results.

Pedit: I'm not really convinced Venmar is town, but I don't think he's a very good lynch at the moment.

[nickthename]

Mala, Venmar, AJ, Mastin.

Mollie's reads may vary.

Didn't you corroborate them over night 1?

[nickthename]

mollie and jiffy: Please reevaluate your read on Nick. He's town and the last time I tried to tell you that your case was weak I don't remember you responding.

if we don't lynch him today then our vote will be tied up until nicky is lynched or dead. if I try to move our vote majiffy will just move it back.

Can't your hear how anti-town that is?

[nickthename]

._. Why am I still alive.

Why wouldn't you be alive? Did you expect to be lynched, or night killed, or what?

[nickthename]

._. Why am I still alive.

Why wouldn't you be alive? Did you expect to be lynched, or night killed, or what?

Lynched

Why did you expect to be lynched?

[nickthename]

mollie and jiffy: Please reevaluate your read on Nick. He's town and the last time I tried to tell you that your case was weak I don't remember you responding.

if we don't lynch him today then our vote will be tied up until nicky is lynched or dead. if I try to move our vote majiffy will just move it back.

Can't your hear how anti-town that is?

Anti-town, but not scum. Try again.

Or, to put it more succinctly, it's just the hydra heads fucking around not synching. That's not scummy, it's sub-par hydra play.

._. Why am I still alive.

Why wouldn't you be alive? Did you expect to be lynched, or night killed, or what?

Lynched

Why did you expect to be lynched?

because every fucking person scum reading me is still alive. anyone who is wanting to push a lynch and kill me after day 1 is still alive. I figured after I got ran up pretty damn fast in D2 I was the lynch.

be
[sarcasm] And utter resignation is the most protown way to deal with that.[/sarcasm]

Come fucking on. Even if you are today's play, you should give us reads or something actionable. Shit, Nick

not

posting is almost making me feel Majiffy has a point.

[nickthename]

Can't your hear how anti-town that is?

Anti-town, but not scum. Try again.

Yeah, that's why I called it anti-town, instead of calling it scum. I have an interest in other people playing in a pro-town way, so I called them out on it.

[sarcasm] And utter resignation is the most protown way to deal with that.[/sarcasm]

Come fucking on. Even if you are today's play, you should give us reads or something actionable. Shit, Nick

not

posting is almost making me feel Majiffy has a point.

Chill, I went to a waterpark today. I highly recommend it. Rereading now.

[nickthename]

Town

:

Mutleyddmc

-I like his vig kill and it seemed genuine

BeautyAndTheBeast

- They need to get their shit together, but they seem pretty townie in their involvement.

notscience

- duh

nickthename

- duh

mastin2

- His latest reactions and analysis seem townier, and considering he mentioned multiple times his day 2 would be better than his day 1, I think he's likely town.

TiphaineDeath

- He's not very useful, but his emotions and reactions feel townie. I'd sure like him to post some more real content, though.

Trust Fund

- The claim and gambit thing seemed town, and the rest of their play has seemed fairly townie.

Aj The Epic

- His early game case on me was pretty weak, but seemed believably town, and I like his 1247/reaction to mastin votes. Not a whole lot to see here, seems town.

Desperado

- He didn't post that much early on, but his questions and analysis all seem pointed and accurate, something hard to fake.

Null-Town

:

BROseidon

- Much less sure then my other town reads, but his 758 feels like a townie analysis, and if TF is town then even if BRO is scum he's pretty toothless, so yeah. When re-reading his iso, he seems almost uncharacteristically angry, which I'm not sure I like. Also, his hammer was god-awful.

zMuffinMan

-His treatment of my wagon could conceivably be scum distancing themself from a mislynch, that said, it reminds me of my own play around wagons I don't understand. Definitely someone to look into more in the future, but sufficiently townie at the moment.

Null

:

Andrius

- Soft claimed a PR and didn't get night-killed, which is a little iffy, and his treatment of Rach felt a tad bit bussy to me. His play-style is hard for me to read, but it seems kinda towny? I don't really know.

Everyone else:

(From least to most scummy)

Faster Than Light

- I don't like his attitude, he seems far too concerned with his own appearance.

Venmar

-I'm not seeing enough involved content here, which is concerning. I'm worried he might be just sitting on his claim and just making short posts to avoid getting a second glance. That said, I don't think he's a very good early game lynch.

Ghostlin

- He doesn't push Rach much but jumps on her wagon at the very end, which is alarming. His day 2 stuff his been a bit better.

Mac

-He just goes with the flow a little

too

hard.

Nachomamm8

- I'm not going to retread over all of what mastin said in 2815, but Rach's treatment of Nacho was very bad. Also, he votes Rach in 995 but then unvotes in 1432, and I can't find any explanation for either. I don't like his treatment of her, and I don't like her treatment of him.

Malakittens

- Lots of people calling her scum, but no wagon ever appeared. Suspicious. Her thing about why she hasn't she been lynched yet? Suspicious. The push on FTL is really bad, reminds me of the push on me here, where she was scum. Promised comment in 3088, but it just didn't happen, and it feels like her last few posts are just to say that she's posting. Also, I don't understand 3118 at all. Does she think i'm town? If that's the case, why didn't she say anything? What's the point there?

[nickthename]

Oops, forgot.

VOTE: Mala

[nickthename]

HEM HEM

VOTE: Nick
Anyone with half a brain that has played at least a handful of games on this site really should be voting nick for obviously scummy behavior.

Is pride an emotion? I think it is! AtE. I guess this is setting up to blaim me for my own lynch when I flip town? You have only yourself to blame. You're still town, though.

Mac and Nacho are flying this under the radar and are probably enjoying the fact Majiffy is a loud player

I am one to tunnel but Majiffy has seemed to taken it a bit too far, skeptical on his judgment on Nick's slot, definitely wont be sheeping him, only my own judgment. The matter of the fact is, I don't think Nick is scummy enough to warrant my vote over Mac or Nacho, plain and simple.

This guy knows what's up. Oh wait, it's venmar. O well, I still agree with him here, still think he might be scum.

remind me to post here when im sober

Post.

Mac and Nacho are flying this under the radar and are probably enjoying the fact Majiffy is a loud player

I am one to tunnel but Majiffy has seemed to taken it a bit too far, skeptical on his judgment on Nick's slot, definitely wont be sheeping him, only my own judgment. The matter of the fact is, I don't think Nick is scummy enough to warrant my vote over Mac or Nacho, plain and simple.

bla bla bla. i'm not flying under any radar, i've made my case on why mala is scum. if majiffy wants to throw his rattles around until people vote nick, that's fine by me. i'll only move my vote when necessary, or I'm absolutely convinced on nickscum.

Sounds good, I like it. Problem is, 20 posts from now you'll say something stupid that invalidates this.

mala is cat

i dont vote cats

unless they vote me

this is called UN-policy lynch

Are you in a stupid contest?

I went to a waterpark today. I highly recommend it. Rereading now.

are you rereading the entire thread or something? it's taking a while

This mafia thing, is like, a hobby, man. Chiillll.

I honestly think he is trying to lurk out his lynch and hope everyone moves on to someone else. sort of what rach did yesterday.

You're accusing me of doing something stupid that is proven to have failed? Why would I do that, exactly? I'm not retarded, I swear.

thinking about aj's case on nicky and nicky dismissed when I said I had meta on him but then he later appeals to me by saying, "well I thought mollie would know but I guess not" so which is it.

I was hoping to give him some space in order to get his act together but that does not look like it going to happen.

our vote is staying where it is.

@ mac

why aren't you working with us? you know how this goes otherwise the lynches get split and town does something stupid. we have already agreed to help sort mala out tomorrow so you help us with nicky today?

Or better yet, we could lynch the scum today, and save me for later! You were hoping to give me some space, but then you decided against it, for no particular reason, I guess. You don't have meta on me, I was just under the impression you could read well.

i didn't realise we agreed on sorting mala tomorrow. as long as you promise

vote: nick

Told ya.

[nickthename]

There's

absolutely no reason

why we need to wait another day before we lynch mala. She's not contributing, she doesn't plan to contribute, she's scum.
(Names are links to posts regarding their opinions)

People voting mala now

(2)
Ghostlin
Nickthename

People scumreading mala but not voting

(6)
Mac
Mastin
B&B-Lets not sort her out tomorrow, lets realize she's scum and lynch her today.
Bro
notscience
Aj- The support IS there, people just need to stop sheeping majiffy for 5 seconds.

People who should be voting mala but aren't and I can't tell why

(6)
FTL- I can't find any recent opinion from you about mala other than "I don't vote cats" Am I missing something?
Desp- Why aren't you voting mala?
zMuffin-Look how awkward her play today is, and how forced her push on FTL is day 1. Vote mala.
Mutley- Instead of sheeping, how about you actually read our isos? Or just sheep me, that works too.
Trust fund- Ditto. Stop sheeping and read.
Andrius- Sober up.

For those of you playing along at home, that's 8 people declaring support of the lynch, and 6 more who either aren't sure, or haven't voiced an opinion. All 12 of you in the bottom 2 catagories need to get with the program and vote

Malakittens

[nickthename]

EBWOP: Nacho belongs in the "Scumreading mala but not voting" group.

[nickthename]

No, not the cats!! Get away from me!

[nickthename]

I'll post a longer case on Mala tonight, I'm feeling a little burned out at the moment.

I'll look at that iso as well.

[nickthename]

There's absolutely no reason why we need to wait another day before we lynch mala. She's not contributing, she doesn't plan to contribute, she's scum.

Funny. That's not what you said about Rach...

Absolutely bizarre that I would have a different response to a different situation. Strangest damn thing.

[nickthename]

I don't think Rach is a very good D1 lynch though

Why not?

Rach hasn't provided much content at all today, her reads sit on the fence so hard it's ver difficult to tell what she thinks of anyone. However, she has promised better reads and commentary day 2. I agree that her behavior today has been scummy, but hear me out.

Assume for the sake of argument that she doesn't provide any useful content during the rest of Day 1, which I think is a fairly passable assumption considering her current behavior.
During day 2, if she still fails to provide any useful content, we lynch her.
If she does provide useful content day 2, we should be able to use that content to get a more accurate read on her. If we decide she's town, we avoid a mislynch. If scum, we still lynch her, but now we have her better reads to use against her partners.

So you're correct, I thought we should wait for more content from rach to be certain, but apparently Yall already had it figured out and she was scum.

[nickthename]

I think BROseidon is starstruck or something.

[nickthename]

then he got his head back in the game, but only to be snarky and push a Mala counterwagon.

<3 You're definitely not the first person to call me snarky.

Of course, the post where he provided reads was good, but I think it's fishy as fuck that he's appealing to the same Logic that BnB was in order to get him lynched.

In my reasons why I think Mala is scum, that's rather low down, but it is a reason. Fishy as fuck? You be the judge.

[nickthename]

Brainstorming gambits.
Gotta talk to MS and get him on the same page as me.

Nick, if I could do a little gambit with you, would you be up for it?

Sure. I'm currently writing up a case on Mala, so i'll be around.

[nickthename]

Please do go meta me before you post shit like this, thanks.

If you want us to meta you, you're going to have to do the work. Show us some other games and say how that makes you town, I do not have the time to go through all your games.

[nickthename]

Insane~

I'm not that good at League or at Mafia, hahaha.

Still, this should be able to clear up at least three players.

I'm liking this idea.

Nacho get online pls

[nickthename]

[nickthename]

Well, i'm liking it so far.

[nickthename]

Mollie, is that all there is to your reaction to my posts? I put a lot of work into them, I expected you guys to have at least some more creative ways to call me scum, lest you actually reconsider your reads, but whatever. I need to go to bed, I'll finish my Mala case tomorrow.

[nickthename]

I like a mac lynch too, dunno if there is enough support. I'll finish my mala case when I get home.

[nickthename]

I like nicky even though I am pretty sure he is still mad at my horrendous modding in skype mafia and me letting him sort of kind of

accidentally

letting him get "strategically" lynched when I was an sk.

I'd actually forgotten about that, I don't remember skype mafia games that long, I play a lot of skype mafia. And modding skype mafia is really hard, I don't blame you at all for that.

(OT: Varsoon, you should play skype mafia with us more)
(Off-off-topic: Everyone, you should play skype mafia with us more)

@Whichever bnb head is wearing the pants at the moment
You think mala and I are both likely scum, right? You said earlier you would support a Mala lynch after i'm lynched. And varsoon says he can get strong reads or verifies off of mala's lynch before mine, so why do you want me to be lynched first? Why not just lynch mala first, and then if varsoon's thing fails to confirm me as town, lynch me then?

It seems to me that for all intents and purposes the order of Mala and I's lynch is pretty irrelevance

Except

for varsoon's gambit. With that in mind, why are you still supporting lynching me first?

[nickthename]

@Mac

Mollie can't read me, why should I trust her read on you?

@FTL
I'll include that with my write-up when I get home.

[nickthename]

1) Support is unarguably there for your lynch. And yet your wagon is stalling. Which is suspect.
2) I have a lot of reads leaning on your flip. Not so much with Mala's.
3) Varsoon's gambits tend to suck.

I would hate to see the votes split and there wind up a no lynch.

1) I'm at L-1. How the hell is that stalling?
2) "Get less sucky reads." Is what I would say, but you don't even need to. Lynch mala, who is both scum and contributing nothing, and then you can use the result of Varsoon's gambit to figure out the reads. If his gambit turns out to be shit, lynch me then, and by that point my flip should be enough for you to finally start figuring things out, no?

This seems fairly logical to me, and I don't really understand why you're so opposed.

If I'm scum, you get the added bonus of extra information from varsoon on ftl and nacho, since I would assume his gambit will give good reads
If I'm town, there's a shot to get me confirmed town and nacho's alignment flipped, which I would assume would help your reads considerably, and Mala will be lynched, who is almost certainly scum if nacho and I are town.

This seems pro-town in every outcome. At the very worst, Mala flips town, I get lynched the next day, and Varsoon's gambit provides info on him and Nacho. I'm a tad worried myself mala could be town, but I think that's a risk I need to take, considering the pay-offs and the likely hood of malascum.

From your point of view, where one of Mala and I are almost certainly scum, thit seems optimal.
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My schedule's pretty hectic with school just starting, i'll try to get into a rhythm, but expect shorter posts from me for a little while. I really want to get that mala case together, I'll try to find the time as soon as I can, sorry I couldn't finish it tonight.

[nickthename]

@zMuffin

That's a really stupid idea. How about instead of that, you read and talk and actually try to find scum?

[nickthename]

Secondly, Nick keeps going "I'll get that case up later" constantly. I wrote a mala case in probably 10 minutes yesterday, it was that easy. You can get just about ANY post and go with it. Why is it taking him so damn long?

Because school just started and i'm fucking busy, what exactly would I get out of delaying it?

[nickthename]

Gonna hamma me, huh andrius? Fine, it seems pretty inevitable at this point (and has for a while) that I'll be lynched. I just don't have the time or energy right now to put together to sort of defense needed.

That said, do give me this: wait a few days to hammer. At least till most of the way through the weekend, to give people time to have final posts for the day. It's under your control and you can do it at any time, but please, wait.

Claim: VT

Might as well make that clear.

@Everyone: Post a reads list, if you haven't very recently! Also, clarify your read on me exactly.

I want to give scum as little leeway as possible going into tomorrow with regards to me and their other reads today.
Also, i'm writing up my own final thoughts (No mala case though, I really just don't feel like iso ing, and i'm tired as fuck) that were originally intended to be posted after the hammer, but I won't really be watching the thread all that closely this weekend, so i'll probably post them before.

[nickthename]

I'm town. Way to go. I gave you every fucking opportunity to stop and realize lynching me didn't make sense, but seems like everyone just sheeped people who didn't listen.

My reads are pretty much the same as what I posted last, except FTL is town, and Mala is only about as scummy as nacho and mac, I exaggerated that read, and nacho is actually probably a better lynch, although Varsoon's thing might still give something on that, idk. All three of them seem pretty scum.

@Majiffy You better get some damn good reads off this.

@Varsoon You tried your hardest to keep me alive and lynch scum instead, and I just couldn't hold up my end of the bargin, sorry bro. If you can still get something or other out of your gambit that would be sweet, too bad no one listened.

@Mala Talk more pls.

@Venmar When you say something, try to talk on something that might help town in there. It pays off in the end.

@Desperado Your questions and analysis seem pretty poignant, and your treatment of my wagon was intelligent, I just wish you talked more.

@Notscience You are absolutely worthless and degrade the quality of this game. Seriously. This is a game where the players have to make the game fun for eachother, and you utterly failed. Please don't play like this again, and please don't play with me again.

@SoS sorry u ded

@Metal sonic Honestly, I could never figure out what you were saying, so dunno.

@Mastin You're probably town. You're also way too full of yourself. Your reads are also pretty good.

@BnB and Aj http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

@zMuffin You seem like you're a pretty good player, but you need to like, be more involved, man. Push things, yell at people! I recommend it, it's invigorating.

@Muttley Don't be such a sheep. That said, nice vig kill.

@Saki Read my @notscience, but fit it to yourself a little bit more.

@Mollie I won't be mad at you for this is if you win this for town, deal?

@Andrius You seem like a pretty cool guy, on the whole.

inb4 this is all fluff

inb4 I'm obv caught scum flailing

Reads: (inb4 manufactured as fuck) Some are new, some are from my last reads post.

Town

:

Mutleyddmc

-I like his vig kill and it seemed genuine

BeautyAndTheBeast

- They need to get their shit together, but they seem pretty townie in their involvement.

notscience

- duh

nickthename

- duh

mastin2

- All in all, i'm liking him. He's probably going to get night-killed, but i'm liking him.

Trust Fund

- The claim and gambit thing seemed town, and the rest of their play has seemed fairly townie.

zMuffinMan

-His treatment of my wagon could conceivably be scum distancing themself from a mislynch, that said, it reminds me of my own play around wagons I don't understand. I think he's town, mainly because his emotions feel very real, and not something scum would fake.

Faster Than Light

-He seems very town now, and I really like his play. No one seems to listen to him, which is annoying, but whatever.

Null-Town

:

Aj The Epic

- I really didn't like his push on me, it felt kinda manufactured, although the split push on me and Mala seems kinda town, so dunno.

Desperado

- The lack of real recent activity is worrying, he needs to get his head in the game, or maybe he's just scum lurking. Give him a little pressure and maybe this will clear up.

BROseidon

- I'm liking his more recent content, although he feels a little....restrained, maybe? I dunno, kinda seems like i'm not seeing all he's thinking.

Null

:

TiphaineDeath

- He's just not saying anything in a way that's putting me a bit on edge. That said, he feels like very easy lynchbait for scum to push, so i'd watch out when wagons appear on him.

Andrius

- Soft claimed a PR and didn't get night-killed, which is a little iffy, and his treatment of Rach felt a tad bit bussy to me. His play-style is hard for me to read, but it seems kinda towny? I don't really know. He's not at all transparent, maybe mollie will be able to weedle something out of him.

Everyone else:

(From least to most scummy)

Venmar

-I'm not seeing enough involved content here, which is concerning. I'm worried he might be just sitting on his claim and just making short posts to avoid getting a second glance. That said, I don't think he's a very good early game lynch.

Ghostlin

- He doesn't push Rach much but jumps on her wagon at the very end, which is alarming. His day 2 stuff his been a bit better.

Mac

-He just goes with the flow a little

too

hard. Also, the fact that no pressure seems to be on him at all is a bit worrying, I think he may just be hiding in the BnB townread.

Nachomamm8

- I'm not going to retread over all of what mastin said in 2815, but Rach's treatment of Nacho was very bad. Also, he votes Rach in 995 but then unvotes in 1432, and I can't find any explanation for either. I don't like his treatment of her, and I don't like her treatment of him. No one seems to hold him accountable for anything he does, which is very very bad.

Malakittens

-The push on FTL was really bad, and I didn't like how it seemed people were ignoring what I said about her. She's also extremely inactive, which is very annoying, she seems to be hiding behind my lynch.

D2 twin wagons on Mala and Nacho would be sweet, although maybe Varsoon will be able to confirm their alignments, which would be even better.

I honestly don't understand at all why people accused my lack of posting recently as scummy, it just doesn't make sense. What the hell would I get out of doing that, especially when Rach just got lynched for that, and it's clearly leading to people thinking i'm scum? That really makes no sense at all, and I wish you people would think a little before you push. The ignorance of the far better option of lynching Mala first is dumb, but I think the fact that the townleader BnB just utterly dismissed it, out of what comes across to me as pride in his own reading ability, but idk, contributed to that a lot.

I leave at 6:30 and get home and 5, so maybe you guys can understand how I might be too tired to write up a long case? I guess not.

[nickthename]

You're missing a few things with this claim.

to be fair, the lack of character claim probably has nothing to do with his alignment, given scum prob have fake character claims anyway.

Oh, he wanted character too? I didn't quite follow.

Here ya go, although scum almost certainly have fake flavor claims, so whatever.
Maria Balthasar, Vanilla Townie

you said a few things, you want anything else while i'm here?

[nickthename]

I could post my character picture too, although I figure you can google that for yourself.

[nickthename]

that would be a dumb idea that will most likely get you modkilled for quoting role PM and i wouldn't put it past the mod to give scum fake-claims that have pictures, so it wouldn't prove anything

Hence why I didn't, good call.

@Andius

You want to be wagonned? Why? I just don't follow.

[nickthename]

If you want to leave, why not just replace? And why do you want to leave? This is a cool game. I want to stay. We should like trade.

[nickthename]

NACHO, GIVE ME A FULL CLAIM.

Allow me to channel Majiffy:
No.

Even for a cookie?

[nickthename]

This "probably going to die and already said most of what I want to say" thing is really making me for more energized.

[nickthename]

if you don't know me by now,
you will never ever ever know me
oooooooooh~

That's not a reason, try again!

[nickthename]

The message for you is that there is no message for you.

[nickthename]

It is a message no less than the others, in it's own right. Also, you're pretty cool too.

[nickthename]

Nacho I swear to god you better claim, b/c I want to stay in this god damn game.

[nickthename]

i can confirm someone's corpse!

You're as useless as you are charming.

[nickthename]

I honestly think Nacho is a better confirm, more informative.

[nickthename]

Nicktown+Nachotown is less info than Nicktown+Malatown? How is that?

[nickthename]

fair enough

[nickthename]

FTL, what you say?

[nickthename]

yeah, whatever. back to lurking. fuck this game. gl convincing nacho to claim for the sake of your gambit.

Comeon dude, stick around, do some stuff! What's got you down?

[nickthename]

but here's what's odd: He still holds that Mala is his strongest scum read. Even though he's too lazy/can't be bothered for a case like he promised for basically the last five days and stalled this day to hell and back. I think this is basically the nail confirming nick as scum.

First of all, I don't understand why you consider stalling the game scummy, because I'm not sure how that would be supposed to help me if I was scum. Here are the two biggest effects:

1. People get mad at me for not posting my case
2. People have more time to talk about other things before night

Reasons why I did it:

1. I was busy and tired, and didn't feel like doing an iso to write it all up
2. I kinda like more discussion, i've always considered it pro-town. Apparently i'm alone on that.

But more importantly,

My reads are pretty much the same as what I posted last, except FTL is town,

and Mala is only about as scummy as nacho and mac,

I exaggerated that read, and nacho is actually probably a better lynch, although Varsoon's thing might still give something on that, idk. All three of them seem pretty scum.

Mala was at the bottom of my reads list because she was at the bottom of my previous reads list that I copy and pasted and then updated, and I didn't think it would be needed to display them all on one line or anything

because I had just said they were equal reads

.

[nickthename]

So, Nacho, claim?

[nickthename]

jesus fucking christ just hammer nicky already

it isn't like he is going to be pissed at you or anything

[nickthename]

At least I died a hero. A hero everyone called useless scum and killed.

Love you guys, :p.

[nickthename]

Pretty good play from both sides, except when it wasn't. Good fun game though.

@Mollie No hard feelings, I had fun, despite my complaining :p


@Varsoon Man, when you were trying to defend me, I thought you had my back. Ah well, good play.

@Scum Bus lessssss m'kay?

@Not science You set a new low bar for usefulness, so gratz on that.

@Bork Sweet stories, those were really good.

[nickthename]

Varsoon, you were easily the 3rd best performing for scum, right behind NS and TD.

[nickthename]

The issue I had with NS was less "he's doing bad" and more "he's not even trying."

Same with TD, AND he derphammered.