Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

waynegg · Post Post #4033 (isolation #0) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:29 am

Two thoughts to start with

20. Venmar ~

Spoiler:

AJ ~

Spoiler:

waynegg · Post Post #4042 (isolation #1) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:31 am

In post 4039, Trust Fund wrote:Wayne, pretty sure those aren't cop claims, they're clears for other reasons. Let's not get the claims out quite yet if players aren't ready unless you think you've got a "guyinfreezer is soooo PR" kind of vibe going on again.

It's not that. Mastin blatantly claimed Cop and then cleared Venrob. There was no reading between the lines. Muttley actually had 2 shots instead of the one he claimed and shot AJ last night. AJ is still alive, hence the bulletproof.

And yeah, lets kick scum butt and perhaps work on the friend thing in the process.

waynegg · Post Post #4044 (isolation #2) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:37 am

Bah. Venmar. Always getting those 2 confused.

waynegg · Post Post #4046 (isolation #3) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:44 am

VOTE: AJ the Epic

waynegg · Post Post #4049 (isolation #4) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:46 am

In post 4047, mastin2 wrote:
Mod: if an X-shot role is roleblocked, is their shot refunded?

Wayne, you should check to make sure your shot was used up. I'm running through the possibilities, between roleblocker (a fairly likely scum role in the game), *OTHERS REDACTED*, but needless to say, aside from the roleblocker possibility, none of these bode well for Aj at all.
(Oh, and even in the case of a roleblocker, still not great. )

You assume I didn't?

waynegg · Post Post #4051 (isolation #5) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:51 am

Mastin, why are you claiming Wayne got roleblocked?

waynegg · Post Post #4052 (isolation #6) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:56 am

And FTL, how many

is Mastin up to now?

waynegg · Post Post #4072 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:05 pm

In post 4059, Faster Than Light wrote:Basically, Waynegg, what I want to know is your purpose behind revealing you were a 2-shot and why you decided to also reveal that the second shot didn't go through.

-V

Because the second shot Muttley took hit what appeared to be a BP and the only way I could reveal that would be to reveal the other shot.

waynegg · Post Post #4073 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:12 pm

In post 4071, Malakittens wrote:
In post 4042, waynegg wrote:
In post 4039, Trust Fund wrote:Wayne, pretty sure those aren't cop claims, they're clears for other reasons. Let's not get the claims out quite yet if players aren't ready unless you think you've got a "guyinfreezer is soooo PR" kind of vibe going on again.
It's not that. Mastin blatantly claimed Cop and then cleared Venrob. There was no reading between the lines. Muttley actually had 2 shots instead of the one he claimed and shot AJ last night. AJ is still alive, hence the bulletproof.

And yeah, lets kick scum butt and perhaps work on the friend thing in the process.
I don't see a reason for you to want to out AJ's role, tbf.

~

@NS: I'll get to your comment in a second.

When and hiw rarely have you ever seen town BP? There's already been suspicion on the AJ slot and I see no reason to not make the result public for others to chew on.

waynegg · Post Post #4109 (isolation #9) » Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:56 am

In post 4103, Andrius wrote:Mala, Ghost is town.

Why?

waynegg · Post Post #4110 (isolation #10) » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:18 am

In post 1611, Aj The Epic wrote:'If Skull is scum' is crazy weak for the theory we have here.

Thez, I know. I think Rach is the ideal lynch. All the major roots extend from her, and she hasn't proven anything useful. Mala will be incriminated, I get my lynch, and we then proceed to wreck the scum team.

In post 4074, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 4033, waynegg wrote:AJ ~
Just two questions.

What's your definition of "to incriminate"?

Why were you bulletproof N2?
I personally prefer lexical definitions, and as such: To make one appear guilty of a specific crime.

Then, can you explain this?

waynegg · Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:54 am

In post 4111, zMuffinMan wrote:Whenever I read wayne's posts, I find myself asking, "is he confused, or am I?"

Im not confused. Been reading and taking notes since the game started

In post 4111, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 4109, waynegg wrote:
In post 4103, Andrius wrote:Mala, Ghost is town.
Why?
Because WE said so.

I'm specifically asking Andy why he thinks that because I'm not on the same page. Nor do I believe you're town, so I'll wait for Andy, but thanks.

In post 4111, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 4088, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mastin, why is Venmar town?
Because he is. That's as much as you're getting, and as much as you're ever getting.

Yeah. Not a good answer

In post 4117, Aj The Epic wrote:This requires another spoiler. Inside, I have responses to FTL, Muffin, and kinda Mac...

Where's the love AJ?

waynegg · Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:59 am

In post 4111, zMuffinMan wrote:Whenever I read wayne's posts, I find myself asking, "is he confused, or am I?"

Im not confused. Been reading and taking notes since the game started

In post 4111, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 4109, waynegg wrote:
In post 4103, Andrius wrote:Mala, Ghost is town.
Why?
Because WE said so.

I'm specifically asking Andy why he thinks that because I'm not on the same page. Nor do I believe you're town, so I'll wait for Andy, but thanks.

In post 4111, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 4088, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mastin, why is Venmar town?
Because he is. That's as much as you're getting, and as much as you're ever getting.

Yeah. Not a good answer

In post 4117, Aj The Epic wrote:This requires another spoiler. Inside, I have responses to FTL, Muffin, and kinda Mac...

Where's the love AJ?

___________________________________

Fixing the format

waynegg · Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:03 am

In post 4120, Malakittens wrote:Why is AJ town?

I'm going with Thezmon's read on him which I think them playing offsite he would know how to read him better than the rest of it. Along with the fact AJ's been chasing down me along with others. I do think he's solidly town

So, you

are

scum...

waynegg · Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:04 am

And when are we working this out TF?

waynegg · Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:26 am

You know mastin, you still haven't answered 4151. And you're asking me to sheep you. Without addressing concerns I have with your slot. After I pretty plainly said I get scum vibes from you...

That's not going to happen

Pedit that's not what he skipped over.

waynegg · Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:27 am

*4051

waynegg · Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:29 am

In post 4132, Malakittens wrote:
In post 4126, waynegg wrote:
In post 4120, Malakittens wrote:Why is AJ town?

I'm going with Thezmon's read on him which I think them playing offsite he would know how to read him better than the rest of it. Along with the fact AJ's been chasing down me along with others. I do think he's solidly town
So, you
are
scum...
No. I think he's town because he's hunting whether or not he's on the wrong or right rack. He's hunting.

~

I'm done replying to Mastin or Bro. They won't even knowledge that I might be a little town.

I haven't done just all AtE. I have given reads out if you like them or not, I have been hunting whether or not you disagree with it.

How is taking shots at a popular punching bag and paraphrasing what others have previously said and tunneling hunting?

waynegg · Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:45 am

In post 4135, mastin2 wrote:
In post 4128, mastin2 wrote:Wayne, my answer's not going to change, nor will Andrius's. You're town. So just trust us. We know what we're doing. Ghostlin, Venmar, TiphaineDeath, and Mac (among others) are all town. Seriously. You don't need to know why. They just are.
That's as much an answer as you're ever getting, wayne. I'm sorry. It just is. If you've got an issue on me when it comes to a player outside those names, go ahead. Tell me about it. I'll address that concern. But when it comes to those names, this is as much elaboration as you're getting. Period. They are town, they will flip town, and no matter what type of suspicion you hold on them, that's not going to change the fact that they are town. And I'm sorry if you can't see that. But it's the truth. So there's nothing more to say.

They are town because they are town. Simple as that.

I'll take you up on that. Not AJ? It's gotta be Venmar.

waynegg · Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:49 am

My way of thinking on the BP thing is that with an x-shot vig, it would make sense for scum to have a BP counter.

waynegg · Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:38 pm

That struck me that you were using Rach's scumminess to make it appear that Mala is scum (e.g. lining up lynches). Based on your definition, that's still how it comes across. "To make one appear guilty" isn't the same as "almost certainly guilty". To make someone

appear

to be guilty is more along the lines of framing someone whereas the other reflects more of a personal view. Pretty confident you're scum based off this. Using euphemisms like this to soften intent is pretty common when under pressure. If you're scum, I hope you don't feel like scum caught for the wrong reasons...

More AJ votes please.

waynegg · Post Post #4145 (isolation #21) » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:45 pm

Lol!

a mild or indirect word or expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing.

How is what you quoted a euphemism?

I'm not arguing semantics. I'm saying that when you told me what the phrase meant to you, you said it was to make someone

appear

to be guilty. When applied to your statement you used a euphemism, "almost certainly guilty", to soften that. Now when called out for euphamizing your statement, you say you're using evidence (though what you pointed to really isn't evidence) to incriminate. And then you quote a statement of mine and call it a euphemism when it isn't, for what purpose I have no idea.

I'm not arguing semantics at all. I'm pointing out what you did that shows to you being lying about your intentions.

waynegg · Post Post #4146 (isolation #22) » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:08 pm

@AJ

One more question, please. It may seem silly, but I really need to know why you chose the Rubix Cube as your long term Avi?

waynegg · Post Post #4153 (isolation #23) » Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:26 pm

In post 4147, Malakittens wrote:What does this have to do with the current game? ;_;

It's relevant.

waynegg · Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:17 am

So, because of math and statistics, right?. And I would assume then since you went through that experiment that you make your plays on calculation? I've heard of a site where everyone uses mathematical calculations in their plays and determining alignments; would that be your offsite?

waynegg · Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:48 am

In post 4074, Aj The Epic wrote:... a one shot bullet proof townie, who actively tried to get shot night 1 to remove that benefit./quote]

Say we take this for truth, have a couple of questions. If you were really trying to accomplish this,

why do you have less posts that the mod, and 47 out of 2475 on day one,

In post 4074, Aj The Epic wrote:I'm a one shot bullet proof townie, who actively tried to get shot night 1 to remove that benefit.
Say we take that for your honest intentions. Why do you have less posts than bork (92 to his 94 now and 47 compared with his 54 D1 isolated)? If you were really trying to draw that kind of attention, it seems you would have been more engaged than that and done more than just
'Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!'
'Mala, Mala, Mala!'
.

And what others have said...

In post 4074, Aj The Epic wrote:I wanted to remove any ambiguity because I had/have strong reasons to believe a traitor exists in this game...

...this makes no sense at all.

Now to tie it all in with why I was asking about ole Rubix. You're playing with a mathematical certainty. D1 had no pressure for you and you posted 1.9%, yesterday and today you're facing some questioning and posting 2.6%. Both of those numbers reflect posting just enough to seem active but stay mostly invisible. Also, you are playing very guarded. Pushing Mala is a low risk play to make because so many are doubting her, you blend right in even while pushing. The whole sum of your play lends itself to a scum optimal coefficient, whether by default or design.

waynegg · Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:49 am

In post 4074, Aj The Epic wrote:... a one shot bullet proof townie, who actively tried to get shot night 1 to remove that benefit.

Say we take this for truth, have a couple of questions. If you were really trying to accomplish this,

why do you have less posts that the mod, and 47 out of 2475 on day one,

In post 4074, Aj The Epic wrote:I'm a one shot bullet proof townie, who actively tried to get shot night 1 to remove that benefit.

Say we take that for your honest intentions. Why do you have less posts than bork (92 to his 94 now and 47 compared with his 54 D1 isolated)? If you were really trying to draw that kind of attention, it seems you would have been more engaged than that and done more than just

'Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!' 'Mala, Mala, Mala!'

.

And what others have said...

In post 4074, Aj The Epic wrote:I wanted to remove any ambiguity because I had/have strong reasons to believe a traitor exists in this game...

...this makes no sense at all.

Now to tie it all in with why I was asking about ole Rubix. You're playing with a mathematical certainty. D1 had no pressure for you and you posted 1.9%, yesterday and today you're facing some questioning and posting 2.6%. Both of those numbers reflect posting just enough to seem active but stay mostly invisible. Also, you are playing very guarded. Pushing Mala is a low risk play to make because so many are doubting her, you blend right in even while pushing. The whole sum of your play lends itself to a scum optimal coefficient, whether by default or design.

waynegg · Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:53 am

Noooooooo! Multi format fail! Noooooooo!Third time the charm?

In post 4074, Aj The Epic wrote:I'm a one shot bullet proof townie, who actively tried to get shot night 1 to remove that benefit.

Say we take that for your honest intentions. Why do you have less posts than bork (92 to his 94 now and 47 compared with his 54 D1 isolated)? If you were really trying to draw that kind of attention, it seems you would have been more engaged than that and done more than just

'Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!'

'Mala, Mala, Mala!'

.

And what others have said...

In post 4074, Aj The Epic wrote:I wanted to remove any ambiguity because I had/have strong reasons to believe a traitor exists in this game...

[/quote]

...this makes no sense at all.

Now to tie it all in with why I was asking about ole Rubix. You're playing with a mathematical certainty. D1 had no pressure for you and you posted 1.9%, yesterday and today you're facing some questioning and posting 2.6%. Both of those numbers reflect posting just enough to seem active but stay mostly invisible. Also, you are playing very guarded. Pushing Mala is a low risk play to make because so many are doubting her, you blend right in even while pushing. The whole sum of your play lends itself to a scum optimal coefficient, whether by default or design.

waynegg · Post Post #4194 (isolation #28) » Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:11 am

In post 4184, BROseidon wrote:
In post 4126, waynegg wrote:
In post 4120, Malakittens wrote:Why is AJ town?

I'm going with Thezmon's read on him which I think them playing offsite he would know how to read him better than the rest of it. Along with the fact AJ's been chasing down me along with others. I do think he's solidly town
So, you
are
scum...
I'm seeing what you're seeing

Also, this feels parallel to how I sheeped Nacho's read of Rach in Xenoblade because "he knew how to read her better."

On AJ too?

waynegg · Post Post #4215 (isolation #29) » Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:13 pm

In post 4200, Andrius wrote:
In post 4197, Andrius wrote:
wayne wrote:I'm specifically asking Andy why he thinks that because I'm not on the same page. Nor do I believe you're town, so I'll wait for Andy, but thanks.
He crumbed for me, and it was something beautiful and irrevocably town from days long gone.
Or you can believe that I'm a DayVig who only kills scum.
And I've shot mastin at least once.
*whistles*

That's great for mastin, but we were talking about Ghostlin.

waynegg · Post Post #4261 (isolation #30) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:00 pm

Matt Schaub stinks!!!

VOTE: AJ

waynegg · Post Post #4263 (isolation #31) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:22 pm

Didn't catch that one...flipping to nfl network...

waynegg · Post Post #4264 (isolation #32) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:24 pm

We had no roller coaster. It was just the dungeon drop!

waynegg · Post Post #4270 (isolation #33) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:00 pm

In post 4268, Antihero wrote:i have something fun to claim

i'm Dominia Yikzor and i'm an inquisitor for the nissan alliance.

i had a cop power, but if I got 2 innocents, i lost the power. venmar investigated mac and tiphainedeath and got innocents on both, so I lost the cop power

I'm confused

The Inquisitor is a self-aligned role with aspects of both the Serial Killer and the Cult Leader. Its Night Action is simply its factional kill (like a Serial Killer); however, if for some reason the Inquisitor's victim survives the kill, the victim will instead have its alignment changed to match that of the Inquisitor. In this sense, it is a Serial Killer that has a chance to pick up allies.
The existence of an Inquisitor usually suggests that there are multiple protective abilities in play during the game so as to allow the possibility of recruitments.
As always, care should be taken with recruitment, as Inquisitor is generally able to recruit Anti-Town players and recruited players keep their former abilities. For more information, see Cult. The recruited players do not gain access to the factional kill if the Inquisitor dies.

Even more interesting with Venmar's PGO claim. Please help me out of this confused state...

waynegg · Post Post #4273 (isolation #34) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:03 pm

But inquisitor isn't cop. It's a factional kill and alignment changer. Mason also doesn't make them both town.

waynegg · Post Post #4277 (isolation #35) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:09 pm

In post 4274, Andrius wrote:claim pgo
best cover for an investigative role

True, but if that's the case why would he have renigged on that claim D1 as I pointed out yesterday?

Pedit heh. Yeah neighbor and mason I get confused. Fine.

waynegg · Post Post #4278 (isolation #36) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:11 pm

In post 4275, Andrius wrote:wayne
suspend your disbelief

and just let it happen
I trust venmar

Ok

Of the remaining then, I like this ~ most suspicion to least.

1. Aj The Epic
7. Ghostlin
4. BROseidon
5. Desperado
10. Nachomamma8
2. Andrius

waynegg · Post Post #4286 (isolation #37) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:20 pm

I suspect Ghostlin. Wanna pick apart my reasoning for me? pedit Before you get yourself lynched.

waynegg · Post Post #4289 (isolation #38) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:24 pm

Well then pick me apart please.

7. Ghostlin ~

Spoiler:

waynegg · Post Post #4294 (isolation #39) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:30 pm

In post 4290, zMuffinMan wrote:um. i'm pretty sure i know who mastin was a mason with and i don't think it was anyone in {TD, mac, venmar}. the reason he was calling them town is because he picked up on the same obvious crumbs from venmar i picked up on.

So you're narrowing the choice to you or antihero then?

waynegg · Post Post #4298 (isolation #40) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:37 pm

In post 4296, Andrius wrote:tl;dr
Yes.

Then why call it SS who indiscriminately kills whoever hammers. I probably should just go to bed. The roles you guys are claiming aren't matching what those roles do. So far every flip has been congruent and had none of this shenanery.

waynegg · Post Post #4302 (isolation #41) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:47 pm

Yeah. Sleep. Hammer was Solaris. Nothing makes sense. I won't vote Andy.

waynegg · Post Post #4305 (isolation #42) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:52 pm

I could meet you on Desp but I'm not there with Nacho.

waynegg · Post Post #4330 (isolation #43) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:42 am

In post 4323, Aj The Epic wrote:Flavor isn't really indicative of roles... Look at Andrius' flip (I'm not quite sure what her role was, but it wasn't standard).

15. RachMarie, Krelian,
Mad Scientist of the Solaris Empire
, was lynched Day 1.
17. Sound of Silence, Seraphita,
Vanilla Townie of the Nisan Alliance
, was killed Night 1.
11. Saki, Sigurd Harcourt,
Vanilla Townie of the Nisan Alliance
, was killed Night 1.
13. nickthename, Maria Balthasar,
Vanilla Townie of the Nisan Alliance
, was lynched Day 2.
3. BeautyAndTheBeast, Emeralda Kasim,
Vanilla Townie of the Nisan Alliance
, was killed Night 2.
12. Malakittens, Miang Hawwa,
Ancient Seductress of the Solaris Empire
, was lynched Day 3.
9. mastin2, Bartholomew Fatima,
Pirate Regent of the Nisan Alliance
, was killed Night 3.

1. Andy hasn't flipped.

2. Who's talking about flavor?? I'm talking about roles. Everything bolded was their role, not their flavor.

Mad Scientist= assigns passive roles
VT= duh
Ancient Seductress= Roleblocker and 1x redirect
Pirate Regent= Mason and 1x JK

An Inquisitor is a defined role, which is factional kill and cult leader. All you peeps trying to make it sound like I'm talking about flavor are pushing wifom.

pedit solidly, huh?

waynegg · Post Post #4332 (isolation #44) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:48 am

In post 4291, Andrius wrote:i am not reading that, wayne

just trust me as you once did
the ring must go to frodo

I'm trying really hard to trust you here, even though you opened here pretty much how you opened there.

waynegg · Post Post #4333 (isolation #45) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:50 am

Try trusting me. There's been a whole lot of unexplained 180s this game that getting hit by an Inquisitor as defined by the mafiawiki would explain.

waynegg · Post Post #4403 (isolation #46) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:40 am

In post 4345, Antihero wrote:
In post 4341, Faster Than Light wrote:There's plenty of things that could still make Mac's cop-clear not truthful. For instance, if the cop isn't a cop, or if the copping was redirected, or if Mac is a PR that investigates as town, or...
I'm telling the truth.
We're not lynching Mac on the ~1/1000000* chance that venmar was redirected.
"Neighborizing Godfather?", you suggest lynching mac on the chance that this role exists?

We're not lynching Mac, Varsoon. Deal with it.

*note: I pulled this number out of my ass, but I do know that the chances of it are really low

If Venmar crumbed 6947325705 times on D1, I would doubt there's a 1/1000000 chance he was redirected. Just saying...

I think AJ is the correct vote today. Any opposed?

waynegg · Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:02 am

In post 4378, Antihero wrote:The vast majority of scumbags aren't Batman villains, Varsoon.

Crumbs can be found on Venmar's first post of the day on days 2 and 3. Spoiler: they're not subtle, at all.
Day 2: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5269791
Day 3: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5309208

And scum didn't NK the slot because... I mean, I know its in scum's best interest to leave town investigative roles in the game and all, so if you have an explanation that would be nice to share...

waynegg · Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:30 am

In post 4368, zMuffinMan wrote:also, if you want, i can go back over venmar's posts and point out all of the places he crumbed his role. i have most of them already because i pmed bork about it N2 when i ranted to him about my thoughts on the game. i am very sure that he was either what he claims to be, or he's factional scum (i.e. not a traitor) who planned it with his partners. and i'm leaning towards the former based on his play making sense as town and also based on how fucking elaborate it would have to be for venmar to have co-ordinated that as factional scum.

Given the crumbs you linked in 4380, how would this be remotely "elaborate" to do as scum? Let me illustrate...

Venmar... Hey gaiz, I'm gonna crumb investgatr so blatantly noonez can miss it. Before suspicion getz on me we snuffz one of my "innocents" to givez me to get town credz.

The other scumz... Yayz. Gud planz!!!

waynegg · Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:35 am

In post 4417, zMuffinMan wrote:
waynegg wrote:And scum didn't NK the slot because... I mean, I know its in scum's best interest to leave town investigative roles in the game and all, so if you have an explanation that would be nice to share...
because he claimed PGO and scum ignored the obvcrumbs. see AJ's response to the revelation today, for example.

ONE OF HIS OBV CRUMBS WAS TO CONSIDER HIM TO BE CLAIMING LIKE MATTP, AKA LYING ABOUT HIS ROLE. Try again...

waynegg · Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:36 am

In post 4418, Andrius wrote:venmar is probably town
i really really want to believe my varsoontown read

which poses a natural problem
one of mutley/aj is scum

don't like the bro/tf thing especially with all of THIS on top of things

Then vote AJ. Because I'm town. Or lynch me then remember to get him tomorrow. Whichever.

waynegg · Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:43 am

In post 4423, zMuffinMan wrote:it's elaborate because (1) why PGO claim at all? if the aim was to drop cop crumbs, why was a PGO claim necessary? (2) there could have actually been a real cop, and considering how blatant those crumbs are, he'd need to explain it (3) why venmar instead of a stronger scum player? (4) it was risky because PGOs are potential policy lynches like millers (though policy lynching isn't all that common anymore) (5) he would have had to tell his scum buddies about it, and have them tell antihero about it, etc etc

you're actually a moron if you think this is more likely to come from scum than town.

1. I covered that in my Venmar spoiler ~ KEEP TOWN PR AWAY AT NIGHT.

2. Great, then scum would know real cop D1 from cc.

3. Your question answers itself. If he's found out, he dies and the stronger scum lives.

4. I've never seen PGO policy lynched and only twice on Millers. Not that risky because I've seen that play a lot.

5. Scum QT, one whole sentence. It's not as complicated as you're trying to make it sound...

My small list of suspicion:

1. Aj The Epic
4. BROseidon
7. Ghostlin
20. Antihero
21. zMuffinMan

waynegg · Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:45 am

And it's funny all those peeps who were deadest Venmar was Mastin's mason bud have all dropped that line and are trying to poke holes with a different fork now...

waynegg · Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:47 am

In post 4423, zMuffinMan wrote:you're actually a moron if you think this is more likely to come from scum than town.

And this by itself...

waynegg · Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:59 am

A one for one on a cop isn't quite the same as a one for one on other roles. Since you didn't have any disagreement with the other points I'll just assume you're 80% wrong

waynegg · Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:12 am

In post 4427, zMuffinMan wrote:
waynegg wrote:2. Great, then scum would know real cop D1 from cc.
this is so fucking moronic it's not even funny. scum never want a 1 for 1 trade, especially early game, and especially not when there could be protective roles. holy shit.

the rest of your responses aren't much better. your reasoning is that you can think of an absurd situation in which he would do it as scum, so therefore he could be scum. if you're not policy lynching PGO claims sooner or later, then you're not playing correctly, and if the fucking idea was to use PGO as a fucking cover against town PRs then him claiming today makes no sense.

i shouldn't have to explain the fucking obvious. and now i'm going to sleep.

Oh so some weak rebuttal? Ok.

It's only absurd if you think scum play with no strategy, because this is a very simple straight forward strategy with little thought necessary to pull it off.

I'm not going to take advice on the wrong and right ways to play from someone who is 80+% wrong! especially when more and more I think you're scum. Even on a hypothetical PL on a conf town PGO (note HYPOTHETICAL WITH BIG FLASHY LIGHTS SO YOU CAN MISS IT BECAUSE I DONT BELIEVE THATS THE CASE HERE) reals of scumotivation.

It would make perfect sense if the replacement read my Venmar spoiler where I shot that claim to hell and back. In fact, it would be a knee jerk, "well crap, now I gotta claim something and hope everyone buys it" because I gave great reasoning not to believe the claim and a fake claim always looks bad. As town I would have expected the replacement to keep mum because who gives a flip what a single player thinks. As scum I would expect him to do exactly what he did ~ give another claim before anyone latched onto the evidence I put forward.

waynegg · Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:40 pm

In post 4437, BROseidon wrote:
In post 4424, waynegg wrote:1. Aj The Epic
4. BROseidon
7. Ghostlin
20. Antihero
21. zMuffinMan
Why are Nacho and Desp not in this list?

But not Andy? Hmm. Nacho because I've never felt he was scum. My last list just consisted of the lynch pool of those people weren't saying was confirmed. Desp because I forgot. Think that's a slip right there BRO.

waynegg · Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:42 pm

Damn. I just lay traps everywhere without even realizing it...

waynegg · Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:43 pm

So

AJ
BRO
Andy

Does anyone think there's six scum?

waynegg · Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:58 pm

I guess I should explain my train of thought, and it won't hurt to have this all in one locale anyhow...

In post 4437, BROseidon wrote:
In post 4424, waynegg wrote:1. Aj The Epic
4. BROseidon
7. Ghostlin
20. Antihero
21. zMuffinMan
Why are Nacho and Desp not in this list?

BRO asked why Desp and Nacho were no longer on my suspicious list based off this post:

In post 4278, waynegg wrote:Of the remaining then, I like this ~ most suspicion to least.

1. Aj The Epic
7. Ghostlin
4. BROseidon
5. Desperado
10. Nachomamma8
2. Andrius

Problem is, Andy was there too. Why didn't he ask about Andy? I could see scumBRO asking about my reads in context of continuity to cast some doubt on me and also conveniently leave out a scumbuddy with the question. So, if anyone has doubt about my slot, lynch it. Then lynch the list...

AJ
BRO
Andy

Otherwise, let's just lynch AJ today!

Also, if I'm right on all three and there turns out to be 6 scum, look back at my 4278. You'll see that Andy completely trusts Venmar.

waynegg · Post Post #4445 (isolation #60) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:37 pm

Crap! Jumped the gun a little on that one. I should have asked why you ask first... There's no way of telling what your answer may have been now. And if what I suspect, you would never cross that line now. Crap, crap, crap!

waynegg · Post Post #4453 (isolation #61) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:18 pm

In post 4452, Aj The Epic wrote: he went off about the 'incriminate being too soft a word' bullshit.

That's not at all what I said. Try again

waynegg · Post Post #4458 (isolation #62) » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:40 am

In post 4455, Andrius wrote:wayne ignoring nacholynch makes me suspicious

Vote: nachomamma

this should happen
unless you want to lynch me first and figure this out the hard way

So you think AJ is town?

waynegg · Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:02 am

In post 4487, Andrius wrote:I don't have anything new to contribute.
So this is me posting.
Nacholynch pls.

If you can show me where and why Nacho is scum, and it makes sense. I don't see it.

waynegg · Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:03 am

In post 4485, borkjerfkin wrote:
Flavor has finally been added to the Night 3 scene. I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused.

waynegg · Post Post #4491 (isolation #65) » Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:22 pm

That would be a waste if you're town. But it kinda sounds like a challenge. Always like a challenge. Tell you what...if you get run up to L-1 I'll call your bluff.

waynegg · Post Post #4500 (isolation #66) » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:55 pm

In post 4498, Ghostlin wrote:

*He's been underwhelming all game. By Day 4, I expect some kind of push. In Xenosaga he was all over the place. Here..he makes a few points here or there, but he's not steering, nor is he leading from anywhere. This isn't Nacho--at least not Town Nacho.

*There are some who have said 'give Nacho time and he'll pick up'. It's Day 4. If he's not producing now (and he's not) he's not gonna.

*This one's difficult to follow, but here goes:
Nacho, quite publicly, caught me as scum because I can't fake logical Town thought well
. He's hedged his bets (particularly with his interactions with Mastin, but even how he's treated people like me who he's said earlier he wanted to 'interact more with' and really hasn't) and he's produced low enough content to kinda squeak by.

*The AJ/BRO/Des case is an excellent example of all the above. Nacho can make a weak non-committal push without a case. As Town, even lazy Town, Nacho has no reason not to release the case. As scum, he has reason to hold off to see if his wagon will dissolve and we'll bite. I'm 90% sure he's bussing one buddy there for cred, and 75% sure sure he's bussing both for cred. In fact, if scum don't cross bus they'll die.

*Nacho has made the argument that he's done nothing that would indicate he was scum. The reverse is painfully also true. There's nothing to indicate that Nacho's town, either. It's a hollow and somewhat misleading argument by someone who I expected to be higher key and give a shit, and has promised to give a shit multiple days now.

*This is not a reason why I think Nacho is scum. However, a number of people if you analyze the night kills knew Nacho's playstyle. The remaining two with history I know about are myself and Andrius. Now, my problem with this 'argument', is it leads to an orgy of evidence wifomic problem. (Look up 'orgy of evidence' in TVTropes). Scum could be killing people with a history with Nacho to make us fucking look there, but Nacho's still a good lynch DESPITE that. Or even BECAUSE of it.

Ok, so all the purple is the same reason ~ he's been apathetic. Problem with that is in all his recent games I've read he's been apathetic.

The last one is meta (which is still pretty much the apathetic thing), and I'll give that a lot of people are 100% sold on meta. I'm not one of those because what do you do when someone's playstyle changes drastically? And then an orgy of evidence usually indicates just the opposite of what that evidence seems to point to.

Iffy meta and apathy given his recent games aren't enough to sway me from the town read virtually all of his posts on Aug 20th, among others, have firmly planted in my mind.

The bold really needs to be explained though...

In post 4499, Ghostlin wrote:
In post 4491, waynegg wrote:That would be a waste if you're town. But it kinda sounds like a challenge. Always like a challenge. Tell you what...if you get run up to L-1 I'll call your bluff.
Girls, girls. You're both fucking pretty.

Seriously, neither of you are scum, and it's a fucking waste either way. Andy, you know Wayne's into fringe theory from the 'saga game. Wayne, Andrius isn't scum. Fuck, I'm not scum. Run me up to L-1, and I guarantee no one in this town will fucking lynch me.

I've had Andy town since I started reading D1 (though his first wall glows with the same glow as his first in LotR), but I'm not going to back down from a challenge. If he's town and wants to take another townie down with him, let it be on his head.

Now a legit reason from this game to see some scum in him (aside from his first wall since as I said I don't weigh meta heavily). He claims to have a veng role that can kill only town while being town. I can see that. What I can't see is him going on with the 'lynch me!' campaign knowing that if he's telling the truth, scum would never hammer because it would out them. That means ONLY town would risk lynching him if they think he's lying. That leads into motivation.

From a town mindset, where's the motivation to continue his self push? Why would he be pushing to take a town with him if he's really town? It's only his recent stuff that's seemed scummy enough for me to hammer if he gets to L-1 and call his bluff.

waynegg · Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:22 pm

@Andrius

I see what you're saying now. Like I said, I've had you as town since D1. Please don't give me a reason to lose faith...

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Pretty sure that's L-1

waynegg · Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:02 am

In post 4531, zMuffinMan wrote:why AJ, nacho? at best, he's bulletproof scum. at worst, he could be bulletproof town.

why not, say, Desperado, if you really believe the scum team is full of PRs? he could have an active PR that would, in some way, fuck with town.

Because AJ is all but confirmed scum and POE will be better tomorrow

VOTE: AJ

waynegg · Post Post #4552 (isolation #69) » Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:27 am

In post 4503, Andrius wrote:Trust in me as you once did.

VOTE: Nacho

waynegg · Post Post #4559 (isolation #70) » Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:02 pm

@Andy

You've mentioned the bane of playing with no avatar a couple of times and I'm pretty sure no one has asked you about that. Why no avatar?

waynegg · Post Post #4561 (isolation #71) » Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:10 pm

You claim vanilla, he investigates you and you aren't vanilla, pretty much as good as a cop investigation because it shows lying about your role.

waynegg · Post Post #4563 (isolation #72) » Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:13 pm

And now I don't think it likely BRO and Nacho are scum together.

pedit exactly. And where's the town motivation to drop that?

waynegg · Post Post #4568 (isolation #73) » Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:37 pm

In post 4567, BROseidon wrote:If you want a claim out of me, get town to run me up to L-1.

Your plan is bad and you should feel bad.

What plan is that?

waynegg · Post Post #4592 (isolation #74) » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:38 pm

In post 4569, BROseidon wrote:To have me claim so that FTL could see if I'd lie about whether I'm vanilla when there's a vanilla cop in play.

You sure it's not a scum bussing plan that was hatched in your QT and that there was some sort of disagreement with?

In post 4570, Ghostlin wrote:And how stupid do you think I fucking am if the answer to the first question is Yes?

Scum never say anything like that

In post 4571, Ghostlin wrote:
In post 4559, waynegg wrote:@Andy

You've mentioned the bane of playing with no avatar a couple of times and I'm pretty sure no one has asked you about that. Why no avatar?
And this is has to do with this game...?

Apparently. This is the only game I'm playing with him

In post 4577, borkjerfkin wrote:
I feel like Randy did it better

Also booze

Grr! I can't believe I missed the Randy Savage!

In post 4577, borkjerfkin wrote:
I feel like Randy did it better

Also booze

In post 4590, zMuffinMan wrote:ebwop: actually, it's not just the possibility that RM's role interfered with town roles in some way. RM's role
did
interfere with town roles in some way. we just aren't sure how at the moment.

Umm...she was lynched day one...you have some explaining to do because there's been no indication she was able to do anything.

waynegg · Post Post #4594 (isolation #75) » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:49 pm

At least I know you're reading

waynegg · Post Post #4598 (isolation #76) » Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:41 pm

On day one. Before there was a night phase. Even though her flip said nothing to indicate she could use her power during a day phase.

No, you have plenty to explain.

waynegg · Post Post #4604 (isolation #77) » Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:43 am

I read it the way it was written. Rite bettah or don't get upset when someone when someone takes you at

WHAT YOU SAID

waynegg · Post Post #4615 (isolation #78) » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:00 pm

Lynching Nacho will either exonerate or condemn Andy. I'm thinking exonerate. As much as I enjoy playing with Nacho, I have reason to trust in Andy.

waynegg · Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:07 am

In post 4621, Aj The Epic wrote:How many times do I have to explain it? I was told, explicitly, with no room for error, that there was, beyond any reasonable doubt, a traitor in this very specific game.

So the Traitor has already gone over then?

VOTE: AJ

waynegg · Post Post #4631 (isolation #80) » Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:51 pm

In post 4629, Aj The Epic wrote:
Walk me through what here says "I know the traitor is on the scum side"

It's the only thing that makes sense where a supposed BP is told, in no unequivocal terms, that a Traitor exists in this game. I wast told there was a Traitor in this game. Was anybody else told there was a Traitor in this game? Stinks of something the informed minority might know, but other than that...

Let's try something...

@bork: would you be so kind as to spoiler a role or two in this game to me as well, other than mafia/scum, VT, and what's already flipped? Pretty please

waynegg · Post Post #4652 (isolation #81) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:57 am

In post 4648, Andrius wrote:
In post 4647, Mac wrote:nacho might be town if aj scumflips.
Don't think like that.

I'll carry that torch for you tomorrow if you fall!

waynegg · Post Post #4675 (isolation #82) » Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:37 pm

4193
Faith shattered

VOTE: Andy

waynegg · Post Post #4679 (isolation #83) » Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:54 pm

In post 4193, Andrius wrote:another question
so we know that AJ doesn't have a confirmable role
so why would scum fakeblock targets that will make us question WHY if they could have chosen to block anyone?

like
scum mala goes to claim
she sees that aj claimed a role that would not know if it were blocked n1

so why pick aj when there are way better targets?

unless she's superafraid of trackers/watchers

Vote stands

waynegg · Post Post #4689 (isolation #84) » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:23 pm

In post 4682, Andrius wrote:ok so

since im bored depressed and don't want to be anywhere

she picked AJ because she knows (buddies) that aj wasn't doing anything of significant so she can say she RB'd him with no consequence
!!!

I read that as you saying there were better targets than AJ. At the time, I was pushing him and took it as you trying to get me off him and onto someone else. Now I see says the blind man!

UNVOTE:

So, if not Nacho, who would you vote at this point Andy?

waynegg · Post Post #4690 (isolation #85) » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:26 pm

Also, did you reflect on your Nacho thoughts after the lynch to make sure that's the route you want to take?

waynegg · Post Post #4694 (isolation #86) » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:53 pm

I'll go first

2-shot vig

Popcorn. TF

waynegg · Post Post #4753 (isolation #87) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:33 am

In post 4706, Andrius wrote:
In post 4689, waynegg wrote:
In post 4682, Andrius wrote:ok so

since im bored depressed and don't want to be anywhere

she picked AJ because she knows (buddies) that aj wasn't doing anything of significant so she can say she RB'd him with no consequence
!!!

I read that as you saying there were better targets than AJ. At the time, I was pushing him and took it as you trying to get me off him and onto someone else. Now I see says the blind man!

UNVOTE:

So, if not Nacho, who would you vote at this point Andy?

In post 4690, waynegg wrote:Also, did you reflect on your Nacho thoughts after the lynch to make sure that's the route you want to take?
you know
I might be able to help confirm the existence of TF's role

Fuck reading. Three pages to catch up, but OK Andy

VOTE: Nacho

waynegg · Post Post #4754 (isolation #88) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:35 am

In post 4714, Trust Fund wrote:VOTE: Andy

I'll add you once you are ded.

If you're town, then you just got fucked over by the setup or something bud.

In post 4713, Trust Fund wrote:
In post 4712, Andrius wrote:no uh
since my role is PASSIVE
bork was like IN MY PM: THERE IS SOMETHING THAT CAN DEACTIVATE THIS ABILITY. YOU WILL BE NOTIFIED IF THIS HAPPENS.

so I can sorta confirm the role?

In post 4696, Trust Fund wrote:oneshot vanillizer that
only works if it hits scum
, shot is used up regardless.

Maybe reading is Gud

UNVOTE:

waynegg · Post Post #4755 (isolation #89) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:42 am

See, I want to trust what looks like an Andy crumb and then he goes and says

In post 4744, Andrius wrote:nacho
I want to believe you
I do

no man
I know I have to eventually
but I don't want this to enddddddddddd
THE HEART HURTS MAN
BEER CAN HELP BUT
NOT ENUFFFF

So screw it. TF, tell me who to vote for

waynegg · Post Post #4757 (isolation #90) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:57 am

In post 4756, Trust Fund wrote:Leftovers (2 scum be here)
2. Andrius
4. BROseidon
5. Desperado
7. Ghostlin
10. Nachomamma8

Checking the stars, running numerology...

AJ was slot one so eliminate Andy

Mala was scum in twelve, so eliminate Nacho

4. BROseidon
5. Desperado
6. FTL
7. Ghostlin
18. TiphaneDeath

What do you think?

waynegg · Post Post #4758 (isolation #91) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:59 am

Ghostlin and BRO were real D1 reads for me if that helps any, TF.

waynegg · Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:00 am

And so was Venmar for that matter

waynegg · Post Post #4769 (isolation #93) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:29 pm

...which can be as early as D1, right?

waynegg · Post Post #4772 (isolation #94) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:37 pm

Well what's with the Diva blasting her daddy to smithereens without so much as a sideways glance gif for your hammer yesterday? I'm sure it was your other head who posted it, but given that Syr's gifs actually mean something, you gotta admit it don't look too good...

waynegg · Post Post #4774 (isolation #95) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:39 pm

In post 4770, notscience wrote:
WAYNEGG GETS TOWNPOINTS UP THE ASS WOO

Please don't. Diverticulitis sucks bad enough by itself without anything going the wrong way...

waynegg · Post Post #4775 (isolation #96) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:43 pm

In post 4773, Trust Fund wrote:lol, that was syr being syr. I was in court at the time. Hang on, i'll put him on the phone.

You know, it had been Saya doing her brother I wouldn't have questioned it since, you know, Saya is supposed to kill chiropterins. But Diva killing daddy, which she created and was on her side in such a cold manner just says something else entirely.

waynegg · Post Post #4781 (isolation #97) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:53 pm

C'mon Syr. I coulda sworn I saw you saying the gifs you chose hold meaning and that they aren't random. Everyone has a playstyle.

waynegg · Post Post #4782 (isolation #98) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:54 pm

In fact, I thought I saw you say that and then challenge someone to figure them out. Now you shame me for doing just that?

waynegg · Post Post #4784 (isolation #99) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:58 pm

In post 4783, Trust Fund wrote:
In post 4781, waynegg wrote:C'mon Syr. I coulda sworn I saw you saying the gifs you chose hold meaning and that they aren't random. Everyone has a playstyle.
They do hold meaning.

I told you to be ashamed of yourself because you're basically ignoring the painting to ask about the artist's grandfather.

But, it happened in...

waynegg · Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:15 pm

Like that AtE 4796...

waynegg · Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:04 pm

Then that would just be a lack of effort. With effort comes skill.

waynegg · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:14 pm

Nacho. Checking out your new Avi... Did you lose a bet somewhere? Lol!

Andy. I have your usual affliction. Who the hell claimed madon?

waynegg · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:19 pm

Lol madon...maiden...who's the virgin Andy?

waynegg · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:20 pm

O. Well google cerebellar hypoplasia and get back at me, yeah?

waynegg · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:25 pm

Yeah.

That's about what I've got too.

Sigh.

Usually get a red velvet cake, from scratch.

Today I get a prune cake.

Fucked up.

waynegg · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:34 pm

Old...prunes...lol really!

waynegg · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:46 pm

It's to make your old movements more...moving...? Lolo!

waynegg · Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:48 am

VOTE: Antihero

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:46 pm

In post 4865, Trust Fund wrote:As syr pointed out, it's very possible that since AJ was a traitor, it was a split wagon on scum and scum.

Also, MS, I don't care what you call me so long as you don't go getting modkilled again like in death's diner.

Waynegg: I think it's time to break out the scumputer. You mastered using it yet? I'll have the vote counts colored in tomorrow evening.

Mastered...nah. I have a firm handle on it though. I've been super busy the last couple of days. Did anybody bite on the flimsy push I made on you without voting you? Hat should probably be looked at too!

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:50 pm

In post 4878, BROseidon wrote:Oh yes, that incredibly town-looking counterwagon...

Hey Wayne, I'm gonna be fairly absent until Thursday/Friday. I have some stuff I want to bounce off of you.

I'm in, if I'm still in.

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:04 pm

In post 4917, Trust Fund wrote:
Spoiler: Day 1
Vote Count
1.2

[8]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
,
zMuffinMan
,
nickthename
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
,
Mac
,
Ghostlin
, Faster Than Light,
Trust Fund
)
[2]
notscience
(
Aj the Epic
,
notscience
)
[1] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
)
[1]
Mac
(
TiphaineDeath
)
[1] Nachomamma8 (
Saki
)

[8] Not Voting (Andrius, BROseidon, Desperado,
mastin2
, Nachomamma8,
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
,
Waynegg
)

Vote Count
1.3

[6]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
,
zMuffinMan
,
Mac
,
Ghostlin
, Faster Than Light,
Trust Fund
)
[2]
Mac
(
TiphaineDeath
,
nickthename
)
[1] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
)
[1] Faster Than Light (
Malakittens
)
[1] Nachomamma8 (
Saki
)
[1]
nickthename
(
Aj the Epic
)
[1]
notscience
(
notscience
)

[8] Not Voting (Andrius, BROseidon, Desperado,
mastin2
, Nachomamma8,
RachMarie
,
Waynegg
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
)

Vote Count
1.4

[5]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
,
zMuffinMan
,
Mac
,
Ghostlin
, Faster Than Light)
[2] Faster Than Light (
Malakittens
,
Saki
)
[2]
Mac
(
TiphaineDeath
,
nickthename
)
[1] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
)
[1]
nickthename
(
Aj the Epic
)
[1]
notscience
(
notscience
)
[1]
Antihero
(Nachomamma8)
[1]
zMuffinMan
(
mastin2
)

[7] Not Voting (Andrius, BROseidon, Desperado,
RachMarie
,
Waynegg
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
,
Trust Fund
)

Vote Count
1.5

[3]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado)
[2] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
, Nachomamma8)
[2] Faster Than Light (
Saki
,
Malakittens
)
[2]
Mac
(
TiphaineDeath
,
nickthename
)
[2]
mastin2
(
Antihero
,
Trust Fund

[2]
nickthename
(
Aj the Epic
,
mastin2
)
[1]
notscience
(
notscience
)
[1]
Sound of Silence
(BROseidon)
[1]
TiphaineDeath
(
Ghostlin
)

[5] Not Voting (
RachMarie
,
Waynegg
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
,
Mac
, Faster Than Light)

Vote Count
1.6

[5] Faster Than Light (
Saki
,
Malakittens
,
Waynegg
,
TiphaineDeath
,
nickthename
)
[4]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light)
[3]
mastin2
(
Antihero
,
Trust Fund
, BROseidon)
[3]
nickthename
(
Aj the Epic
,
mastin2
,
notscience
)
[2]
Malakittens
(Nachomamma8,
Ghostlin
)
[1] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
)
[1] Nachomamma8 (
BeautyAndTheBeast
)

[2] Not Voting (
RachMarie
,
Mac
)

Vote Count
1.7

[5]
mastin2
(
Antihero
,
Trust Fund
, BROseidon,
nickthename
,
TiphaineDeath
)
[5]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light, Nachomamma8)
[4]
nickthename
(
mastin2
,
notscience
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
,
Saki
)
[2] Faster Than Light (
Malakittens
,
Waynegg
)
[2]
Malakittens
(
Ghostlin
,
Aj the Epic
)
[1] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
)

[2] Not Voting (
RachMarie
,
Mac
)

Vote Count
1.8

[6]
mastin2
(
Antihero
,
Trust Fund
, BROseidon,
nickthename
,
TiphaineDeath
,
Waynegg
)
[5]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light, Nachomamma8)
[3]
nickthename
(
mastin2
,
notscience
,
Saki
)
[2] Andrius (
BeautyAndTheBeast
,
Sound of Silence
)
[2]
Malakittens
(
Ghostlin
,
Aj the Epic
)
[1] Faster Than Light (
Waynegg
)

[2] Not Voting (
RachMarie
,
Mac
)

Vote Count
1.9

[5] Andrius (
BeautyAndTheBeast
,
Sound of Silence
,
notscience
,
Trust Fund
,
Malakittens
)
[5]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light, Nachomamma8)
[4]
mastin2
(
Antihero
, BROseidon,
nickthename
,
Waynegg
)
[2]
Malakittens
(
Ghostlin
,
Aj the Epic
)
[2]
nickthename
(
mastin2
,
Saki
)
[2]
Trust Fund
(
TiphaineDeath
,
Mac
)

[1] Not Voting (
RachMarie
)

Vote Count
1.10

[6] Andrius (
BeautyAndTheBeast
,
Sound of Silence
,
notscience
,
Trust Fund
,
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
)
[6]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light,
Saki
,
TiphaineDeath
)
[4]
mastin2
(
Antihero
, BROseidon,
nickthename
,
Waynegg
)
[2]
Malakittens
(
Ghostlin
,
Aj the Epic
)
[1]
nickthename
(
mastin2
)
[1]
Trust Fund
(
Mac
)

[1] Not Voting (Nachomamma8)

Vote Count
1.11

[7] Andrius (
BeautyAndTheBeast
,
Sound of Silence
,
notscience
,
Trust Fund
,
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
,
Mac
)
[7]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light,
Saki
,
TiphaineDeath
,
Aj the Epic
)
[4]
mastin2
(
Antihero
, BROseidon,
nickthename
,
Waynegg
)
[2]
Waynegg
(
Ghostlin
, Nachomamma8)
[1]
nickthename
(
mastin2
)

Vote Count
1.12

[6] Andrius (
BeautyAndTheBeast
,
notscience
,
Trust Fund
,
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
,
Mac
)
[5]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado,
Saki
,
Aj the Epic
)
[3]
mastin2
(
Antihero
, BROseidon,
nickthename
)
[3]
Waynegg
(
Ghostlin
, Nachomamma8,
TiphaineDeath
)
[2]
nickthename
(
mastin2
, Faster Than Light)

[2] Not Voting (
Waynegg
,
Sound of Silence
)

Vote Count
1.13

[6]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado,
Saki
,
Aj the Epic
,
Waynegg
)
[5] Andrius (
notscience
,
Trust Fund
,
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
, Faster Than Light)
[3]
Waynegg
(
Ghostlin
, Nachomamma8,
TiphaineDeath
)
[2]
mastin2
(BROseidon,
nickthename
)
[1] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
)
[1]
nickthename
(
mastin2
)
[1]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
)

[2] Not Voting (
BeautyAndTheBeast
,
Mac
)

Vote Count
1.14

[6]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado,
Aj the Epic
,
Waynegg
, Nachomamma8)
[5] Andrius (
notscience
,
Trust Fund
,
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
, Faster Than Light)
[2]
mastin2
(BROseidon,
nickthename
)
[2]
Waynegg
(
Ghostlin
,
TiphaineDeath
)
[2]
nickthename
(
mastin2
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
)
[1] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
)
[1]
Saki
(
Saki
)
[1]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
)

[1] Not Voting (
Mac
)

Vote Count
1.15

[5]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado,
Aj the Epic
, Nachomamma8)
[4] Andrius (
Trust Fund
,
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
, Faster Than Light)
[3]
Waynegg
(
Ghostlin
,
TiphaineDeath
,
Saki
)
[2] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
)
[2]
mastin2
(BROseidon,
nickthename
)
[2]
nickthename
(
mastin2
,
notscience
)
[1]
Saki
(
Waynegg
)
[1]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
)

[1] Not Voting (
Mac
)

Vote Count
1.16

[5]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado,
Aj the Epic
, Nachomamma8)
[4] Andrius (
Trust Fund
,
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
, Faster Than Light)
[3]
mastin2
(BROseidon,
nickthename
,
TiphaineDeath
)
[2] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
)
[2]
Waynegg
(
Ghostlin
,
Saki
)
[2]
nickthename
(
mastin2
,
notscience
)
[1]
Saki
(
Waynegg
)
[1]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
)

[1] Not Voting (
Mac
)

Vote Count
1.17

[5]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado,
Aj the Epic
, Nachomamma8)
[4] Andrius (
Trust Fund
,
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
, Faster Than Light)
[3]
mastin2
(BROseidon,
nickthename
,
TiphaineDeath
)
[3]
nickthename
(
mastin2
,
notscience
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
)
[2]
Waynegg
(
Ghostlin
,
Saki
)
[1] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
)
[1]
Saki
(
Waynegg
)
[1]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
)

[1] Not Voting (
Mac
)

Vote Count
1.18

[5]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado,
Aj the Epic
, Nachomamma8)
[4]
nickthename
(
mastin2
,
notscience
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
, Faster Than Light)
[3] Andrius (
Trust Fund
,
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
)
[3]
mastin2
(BROseidon,
nickthename
,
TiphaineDeath
)
[2]
Waynegg
(
Ghostlin
,
Saki
)
[1] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
)
[1]
Saki
(
Waynegg
)
[1]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
)

[1] Not Voting (
Mac
)

Vote Count
1.19

[7]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado,
Aj the Epic
, Nachomamma8,
TiphaineDeath
,
Ghostlin
)
[5]
nickthename
(
mastin2
,
notscience
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
, Faster Than Light,
Waynegg
)
[3] Andrius (
Trust Fund
,
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
)
[2]
mastin2
(BROseidon,
nickthename
)
[1] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
)
[1]
Waynegg
(
Saki
)
[1]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
)

[1] Not Voting (
Mac
)

Vote Count
1.20

[7]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Andrius, Desperado,
Aj the Epic
, Nachomamma8,
TiphaineDeath
,
Ghostlin
)
[6] Andrius (
Trust Fund
,
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
, Faster Than Light,
notscience
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
)
[2]
mastin2
(BROseidon,
nickthename
)
[2]
nickthename
(
mastin2
,
Waynegg
)
[1] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
)
[1]
Sound of Silence
(
Saki
)
[1]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
)

[1] Not Voting (
Mac
)

Vote Count
1.21

[6] Andrius (
Trust Fund
,
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
, Faster Than Light,
notscience
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
)
[6]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Desperado,
Aj the Epic
, Nachomamma8,
TiphaineDeath
,
Ghostlin
)
[2] BROseidon (
Sound of Silence
,
Mac
)
[2]
mastin2
(BROseidon,
nickthename
)
[2]
nickthename
(
mastin2
,
Waynegg
)
[1]
Saki
(Andrius)
[1]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
)

[1] Not Voting (
Saki
)

Vote Count
1.22

[7]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Desperado, Nachomamma8,
Ghostlin
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
,
Aj the Epic
,
Sound of Silence
)
[6] Andrius (
Trust Fund
,
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
, Faster Than Light,
notscience
,
TiphaineDeath
)
[2]
mastin2
(BROseidon,
nickthename
)
[2]
nickthename
(
mastin2
,
Waynegg
)
[1] BROseidon (
Mac
)
[1]
Saki
(Andrius)
[1]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
)

[1] Not Voting (
Saki
)

Vote Count
1.23

[9]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Desperado, Nachomamma8,
Ghostlin
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
,
Aj the Epic
,
Sound of Silence
, Andrius,
Trust Fund
)
[4] Andrius (
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
, Faster Than Light,
TiphaineDeath
)
[3]
nickthename
(
mastin2
,
Waynegg
,
notscience
)
[2]
mastin2
(BROseidon,
nickthename
)
[1] BROseidon (
Mac
)
[1]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
)

[1] Not Voting (
Saki
)

Vote Count
1.24 (Final)

[11]
RachMarie
(
zMuffinMan
, Desperado, Nachomamma8,
Ghostlin
,
BeautyAndTheBeast
,
Aj the Epic
,
Sound of Silence
, Andrius,
Trust Fund
,
Saki
, BROseidon)
[4] Andrius (
Malakittens
,
RachMarie
, Faster Than Light,
TiphaineDeath
)
[3]
nickthename
(
mastin2
,
Waynegg
,
notscience
)
[1] BROseidon (
Mac
)
[1]
mastin2
(
nickthename
)
[1]
TiphaineDeath
(
Antihero
)

I'll crunch these, if you list up the others I'll do them as well.

I can already tell you though that scumputer is going to say FTL has highest percentage chance of being scum and should be the logical lynch today before I even run it.

I can also say that as scum BROseidon likes to vote in the 3 and 4 slots and camps on his vote. Meta says he's also a great choice.

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:05 pm

In post 4925, Trust Fund wrote:
In post 749, Malakittens wrote:For what it's worth I see town-Mollie on Page 13.

Wow, okay..

VOTE: Faster than the light

Holy fucking scum-tell Batman.

Someone REALLY cares about how they look right now.
This also points to FTL town.

Bus

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:09 pm

This is why FTL

It can be safely assumed there be at least one scum on any major wagon

[8] TiphaineDeath (Antihero, zMuffinMan, nickthename, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mac, Ghostlin, Faster Than Light, Trust Fund)

Everyone is green here except FTL.

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:20 pm

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:32 pm

That's lame

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:42 pm

See. Since you've let on you aren't reading the last 198 pages, you're following others' reads for now, and I'm a universal town read it would be a bit wiser to play with town. Even if they do have their vote on you. Coming in to discount the principal of MATH the way you did, because you know ~ I was obviously considering changing it, just makes me happier with my vote.

So, yeah. HEY EVERYBODY, LETS LYNCH ANTIHERO NOW!

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:13 pm

In post 4948, Antihero wrote:
In post 4946, waynegg wrote:Coming in to discount the principal of MATH the way you did, because you know ~ I was obviously considering changing it, just makes me happier with my vote.
flipped godather
venmar's play regarding TP and mac
no CC

tell me, waynegg, what does "the math" say about ^ that?

Redirector

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:20 pm

I'm a vig. Thought that was covered pretty well already.

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:24 pm

In post 4845, Antihero wrote:i was going to make a post about how much you've been had this game, waynegg

And see, that's the beautiful thing about how play. I lead without looking like it. Since I've replaced in, I've lead 2 scum lynches from my D1 reads, all while looking like I wasn't doing anything. Kinda like I'm doing right now.

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:26 pm

In post 4953, BROseidon wrote:
In post 4943, waynegg wrote:Bro
The fact that you've been in both of my scumgames and think that I'm scum here is baffling to me...

You always look the same to me so I've given up trying to actually read you. POE suggests you as scum. Nothing to do with your posting.

So, what did you want to talk about?

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:37 pm

In post 4957, BROseidon wrote:lol @ you thinking you led the Mala lynch.

Mala was obvscum from long before you replaced in (was obvscum from nhammen's first post, but I digress...), and it was mollie who prevented that lynch from going through day 2. Y'know, before you replaced in.

You get the bulk of the credit for Aj, though.

pedit: I wanted to talk to you about Anti and FTL. I'm about to go to sleep, though. Like I said, busy through Thursday, can't really stick around for immense amounts of time.

As far as Mala goes, yes she was already a sinking ship. Doesn't mean I didn't push her (in that special way where I do the opposite when I see no one wants to work with me, but I digress). I feel FTL. Until today I didn't really feel anti. His recentness is really bad though. I have D1 on both, but Venmar went back and forth across my list.

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:38 pm

No on Xeno, yes on War.

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:45 pm

When are you gonna be around on Thursday? Well make a date.

waynegg · Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:58 pm

waynegg · Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:18 pm

In post 4992, Andrius wrote:
In post 4988, Nachomamma8 wrote:Well let's see what the Enabler could disable when it dies:

A) Scum Power
B) Town Cop (although it disables itself when it gets two innocents)
C) Mason Pair (one-shot jailkeeper or odd night bodyguard, seems nerfed to me)
D) One-Shot Conditional Vanillaizer
E) Non Consecutive VT Cop
F) Two Shot Vig
G) Tracker/Neighborizer/Commuter

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

In post 4989, Nachomamma8 wrote:ALL OF OUR TOWN POWER MINUS ONE-SHOT JAILKEEP IS STILL ALIVE
NONE HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF LOSING POWER
my argument is that most of them HAVE NOTHING TO USE
antihero lost his after 2 innocents
joat lost his after abilities got used
In post 4990, Nachomamma8 wrote:also if cabd didn't suck he woulda asked bro was power he gained
"My power vanillaizes if scum, gives a one-shot unspecified PR when town."

p.s. im still laughing inside about the suicidal mason

Antihero never had it because he's scum

waynegg · Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:13 am

[4] Nachomamma8 (Andrius, BROseidon, Ghostlin, notscience)
[3] BROseidon (Nachomamma8, Desperado, TiphaneDeath)
[2] Desperado (Mac, Antihero)
[1] Trust Fund (Faster Than Light)
[1] Andrius (Trust Fund)
[1] Antihero (waynegg)

So, Andy and Nacho are in a virtual sixty nine of town love and Andy is still voting Nacho...weird. Why are you still on top of him Andy?

waynegg · Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:26 am

And also, if we're at 10-2 why all the super conservative play?

waynegg · Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:45 pm

VOTE: Desparado

waynegg · Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:36 pm

In post 5054, BROseidon wrote:Wayne I realized that our date is stupid. I've already said all I have to say about the Anti slot, and us talking about the likelihood of a gambit at this point is dumb.

VOTE: Desp

Ok

VOTE: BRO

waynegg · Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:12 am

In post 5059, Trust Fund wrote:Your usual "throw shit at townreads and see which saps go along" plan you usually use, wayne, doesn't really work in a holding pattern of multiple day's lynch plans like this one.

It wasn't that. I was wanting to see what would happen.

waynegg · Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:31 pm

In post 5111, Andrius wrote:cover our tracks- confirm one PR, confirm 3 players as town

that's what i'd do at any rate.

And why don't I like this post?

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:00 am

In post 5083, Trust Fund wrote:FTL investigates tonight, and we go from there. See you all (less ghostlin) tomorrow, probably.

(Don't worry ghostlin if it comes to it I won't hesitate to lynch nacho)

VOTE: Trust Fund

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:00 am

With <3

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:27 am

In post 5133, Trust Fund wrote:Lol wayne, dumb vote is dumb.

Also if scum wants to surrender now would be the time to do so instead of dragging out the inevitable.

Damn you. I was trying to see if the scum who set you up wanted to come clean. Damn you.

VOTE: Nacho

So I'm left with just sticking to the plan instead of having a little fun

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:35 am

In post 5129, Antihero wrote:
In post 5127, waynegg wrote:
In post 5083, Trust Fund wrote:FTL investigates tonight, and we go from there. See you all (less ghostlin) tomorrow, probably.

(Don't worry ghostlin if it comes to it I won't hesitate to lynch nacho)
VOTE: Trust Fund
awful

Unless you want to consider this, TF...

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:36 am

T'would be sweet vindication to be right on Venmar

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:56 am

I don't get where all your hostility and personal attacks come from, but they need to stop. I'm cutting up and having fun and playing a game. A GAME. You're being a real douche and you should feel bad. You guys can lynch Nacho or whoever without me. Now I want antihero gone just for personal crap.

VOTE: antihero

And FYI, I know my strengths and weaknesses db. I'm good early and wan as more WIFOM muddles the thread. I completely suck at XYLO. Assholes like you take the fun out of playing.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:05 am

I hear ya Nacho, but you're on there as well and you seem favored to win the day...

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:27 am

Since you missed it

20. Venmar ~

Spoiler:

Knowing my reads get muddled as the game progresses, I take what's happened since with a grain of salt.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:37 am

And then this

The scum flips

Passive ability assigner
Roleblocker
BP Godfather
Goon

Mastin wasn't a Cop. He was a JK.

So, I have no reason to not think antihero is scum.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:44 am

Yeah, so,ermines it doesn't. I totally agree with that. But I know my D1 reads are in general better than at any other point in the game. TF (cabd) can describe to you how I work. Even if I'm wrong on my read for your slot, he can confirm this is my legit thought process. I only make cases match accusations when I'm gambiting, and then put those "cases" aside once I reveal exactly what I was doing. That's not the case here. I really think your slot is scum.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:44 am

In post 5150, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5148, waynegg wrote:So, I have no reason to not think antihero is scum.
except for the godfather and the crumbs and clearing two townies

Explain better. I don't know what you're talking about.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:49 am

I like Venmar quite a bit, actually

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:52 am

And a cop with gf just wifom'd the town, so I can see a mod wifoming the scum. Like I said, Nacho can be lynched without. E.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:56 am

Scum clear town all the time. I've never been in or read a game where they didn't. Great for town cred.

But, let's just go with your reasoning Nacho. Why are we on you and not FTL?

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:59 am

In post 5158, Antihero wrote:
In post 5152, waynegg wrote:Yeah, so,ermines it doesn't. I totally agree with that. But I know my D1 reads are in general better than at any other point in the game. TF (cabd) can describe to you how I work.
so... what... you think it's a sign of weakness to admit your thought process might have lead you to the wrong conclusion?

...and don't think that I'm judging you here, either. This is a widely held belief that few people will admit to having. I myself fall into this trap. frequently.

Nope. I flaw more than I hit. But Ihjt scum 40ish% which is still solid. Yours isn't the only name left from D1. It's just at the top.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:05 am

Promise.

What kind of scum game is it that votes off his entire team?

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:10 am

Here's the problem I have with both Nacho and Bro lynches. If either is scum, they offed their entire team. Nacho was even first up on AJ. That doesn't make much sense to me.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:14 am

In post 5185, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5174, waynegg wrote:Promise.

What kind of scum game is it that votes off his entire team?
I promise you that Antihero is town.

That's fine. I said it was personal. I'll just be quiet and hammer. Tell me who and when.

UNVOTE:

pedit ok Andy VOTE: BRO

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:19 am

Intent to hear your claim

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:38 am

In post 5211, Antihero wrote: yeah, but once you put aside all the paranoia, all the PR claims make sense.

Andy claiming supersaint and then inviting people to lynch him? not likely a scum move, especially given that it's actually still on the table

Cue paranoia.

How perfect of a scum claim would it be for Andy to claim exactly what he claimed as scum. TSS that only vengeful a on town? Perfect sense for town to not lynch. Perfect sense for scum to leave hi in the game. Perfect claim if he can sell it, which apparently he has. Perfect. Andy does the unexpected often. See LotR. He came with straight up scum agenda that only third party would clearly pick up on, thus outing them. Do you have any idea how hard I had to work to get THAT lynch to go through.

I want to discuss the motivation behind Andy's claim before we end this day.

UNVOTE:

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:40 am

In post 5227, BROseidon wrote:Or I can just hammer Andy, which is a win-win for everyone.

I like that.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:52 am

In post 5237, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5226, waynegg wrote:TSS that only vengeful a on town? Perfect sense for town to not lynch.
he claimed supersaint at 14 people alive, which is literally "lynch me I'm a free lynch"
it would be the worst scum fakeclaim i've seen in my entire life.

How would it be the worst? He conditioned it with taking a townie with him if town hammered and leaving scum alive if scum hammered. That takes the incentive out of the town to lynch him. That also gives incentive for scum to keep him alive. I'll take bro at his word to hammer if it gets there.

VOTE: Andy

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:00 am

For Nacho

10. ***Nachomamma8*** ~

Spoiler:

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:01 am

Stupid spoiler tag...

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:13 am

In post 5289, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5285, BROseidon wrote:execute same plan tomorrow.
I would be hammering Andrius tomorrow.
Both things have the same result.

In post 5285, BROseidon wrote:If Andy scum: Andy gets to live untouched.
Until tomorrow, when we lynch him.

The two things are completely equal.

Except you could renig for *reasons* or have been killed, etc. today we have bro who will be speed lynched if he doesn't follow through on hammer. Andy WIFOM is gone and we get to odd numbers.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:20 am

Why not just do the same thing today with bro? I don't understand the resistance.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:34 am

In post 5294, Nachomamma8 wrote:Andy is very likely town thanks to his claim and his play. BRO is not as likely town.

And wouldn't that just seal his fate tomorrow without it hanging on a m/l to XYLO? I realize you and Andy decided early on to go out in a blaze of glory with each other and all, but the lynch Andy to get nacho just makes more sense. And notscience is voting BRO...

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:46 am

Bro. Not nacho. Meh.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:51 pm

In post 5310, Trust Fund wrote:Like seriously I'll bake you cookies or something.

<3

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:14 pm

In post 5308, Trust Fund wrote:If you're town, take your mislynch with honor that you're playing a gamebreaking win strategy, and give us your reads other than
"it has to be nacho guyz." because if you flip town, we're lynching your number one scum suspect tomorrow. If you're scum, eat your game loss.

Umm...wasn't Nacho supposed to go first on that gamebreaking win strategy? And you're on BRO?

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:15 pm

In post 5084, Ghostlin wrote:

Scum(s), let me make this clear to you: there is no way in hell you're going to lynch me, and I have a particular set of skills in which I will not rest until I either completely stymie your plans or you kill me. All of the plotting that Mastin and I have done have lead up to the next few days. This will not be a repeat of Saga. You will fall and you will lose.

Town. Ideally, you should lynch roughly in this order:

Nacho
BRO
TF
and if somehow we've not won at that point, Andy/FTL depending on which one of them is alive. No, I don't believe they're scum, I seriously believe one of the above three, and I'd place it roughly 65% Nacho, is the remaining scum.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:36 pm

In post 5376, BROseidon wrote:
In post 5372, waynegg wrote:
In post 5308, Trust Fund wrote:If you're town, take your mislynch with honor that you're playing a gamebreaking win strategy, and give us your reads other than
"it has to be nacho guyz." because if you flip town, we're lynching your number one scum suspect tomorrow. If you're scum, eat your game loss.
Umm...wasn't Nacho supposed to go first on that gamebreaking win strategy? And you're on BRO?
Remember, you're the only sane one in this game. Everyone else is a fucking Nacho acolyte or some shit.

Why does it almost feel like you're trolling me now and faking your alignment for a big haha post game?

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:38 pm

In post 5384, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5379, BROseidon wrote:I don't think a TD investigate could have been redirected because Venmar didn't crumb until day 2 (unless I missed something. People should check that because I suck at crumbs).
Redirecting the claimed PGO to town is also a but unlikely.

for the last time

THE PGO CLAIM IS BULLSHIT. VENMAR SAID SO HIMSELF.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:41 pm

Yes he did

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:42 pm

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:43 pm

Why do you think I've had my teeth dug so deep in anti's bum?

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:46 pm

Did

anybody

bother to read any of the work I put in?

pedit thanks, that helps!

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:47 pm

Why NS? She's been on exactly one scum. And then only to push the lynch through.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:48 pm

In post 5398, BROseidon wrote:NS is still a useless player who needs to pull his head out of his ass and try to learn to play the game.

Scum are shooting Wayne tonight.

My thoughts too.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:50 pm

Then again I'm a scum asset for LyLo. To thine own self be true. Lol!

Ok. He's been on exactly...

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:51 pm

In post 5403, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5391, waynegg wrote:1641
Not explicitly. The explicit part is the important part.

Granted. Not everyone is familiar with MATTP, but for everyone else (which I assume is most of us)...

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:54 pm

In post 5415, Andrius wrote:so what happens if we lynch antihero just to confirm the other 2 players? >_>

Then we get LyLo with you, nacho, notscience

Unless I'm right on the Venmar slot

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:56 pm

In post 5419, Andrius wrote:they don't need more excuses- your incompetency is enough

First real

today

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:58 pm

If there are two scum left, Andy, it's either you and nacho or anti and Mac. And we're screwed. And it's possible on the outside fringes. Since it was known single scum faction. That could plausibly be the twist.

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:07 pm

Well, do you agree a larger scum team (given traitor) is plausible?

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:10 pm

Well we should have 2 lynches to give without concern, 3 if it's one scum so...

waynegg · Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:16 pm

I won't be around, but on that off chance...

waynegg · Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:39 pm

Bah... ...

waynegg · Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:44 am

Sweet.

Lessons learned this game...

Never reply to somone else's heat or a question posed to a particular person. It gives scum an out. If Andy hadn't replied to Varsoon's heat the game would have ended two day phases ago.

Don't make plans because plans suck and are easily lead astray by scum.

Trust in myself more and don't be pushed off my reads. The game would have ended even sooner if I had stuck to my guns on my narrowed list of Anti/FTL. Btw, is that why you killed me Varsoon?

Wtg Anti!

waynegg · Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:45 am

And thanks for another hella fun game Bork!

waynegg · Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:49 pm

In post 5806, Varsoon wrote:I killed you because it was a fun pun to make in the QT.

Also, because I knew that if we got to lylo together, you'd be voting me.

Just saw that. I may have. I was sure you or anti was scum. With my track record, I probably would have screwed up though